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14 years ago

What an odd phenomenon...I don't think I understand why they're doing this. Are they trying to get expedited into CPA networks by some trick, so they can defraud the networks themselves with scam tactics?

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Affmz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Das Newb

What an odd phenomenon...I don't think I understand why they're doing this. Are they trying to get expedited into CPA networks by some trick, so they can defraud the networks themselves with scam tactics?

Most of them are poor english speakers who can't get into larger networks, but they're pretty damn good at Blackhat technologies, so with a larger number of accounts, they can make lots of quick money even accounts will be banned in 1 - 3 months

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CPAgoat

14 years ago

I have tried to contact some mobile networks, but they didn't answer us.
But we make sure that those who are frauds will not exist for long time. We will ban their account as soos an we find out them.

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katehblog 14 years ago

thank goodness!
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imback

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Affmz

It's been a couple weeks I'm not with WF, but when I finished reading the first two pages, I was totally surprised that so many fresh new members here were asking to BUY accounts , SELL accounts and kind of Approval service...

It's exactly the same phenomenon happened several years ago (even now) in BHW which was destroyed and exhausted by this kind of fraudsters, and most of them are coming from Asian & African countries (I don't mean it, but that's the fact)

Buying & Selling & Approval service are NOT allowed by CPA networks, they will ruin the CPA industry, so don't bother with this kind of people, Warriors !!!

For those who are trying to run fraud, why not just pick up your phone and talk to networks ? I'm quite sure you can get into some good networks by your own effort.

Great post and this is very true. I always encourage my clients to do it the right way and honest way

CHAD

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williamrs

14 years ago

Sad but true.

This is the reason why some newbies have been complaining and saying that it's getting tougher and tougher to join CPA networks, specially the big ones.

W

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LeadBoltBrian 14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

This is the reason why some newbies have been complaining and saying that it's getting tougher and tougher to join CPA networks, specially the big ones.

Correct you are. We can definitely identify the fraudulent accounts quickly and take the necessary steps to minimize the problem publishers. But the ones who really suffer at the end of the day are legitimate publishers trying to get their campaigns rolling.
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Affmz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamrs

Sad but true.

This is the reason why some newbies have been complaining and saying that it's getting tougher and tougher to join CPA networks, specially the big ones.

W

Exactly! Because a larger network normally receive hundreds of applications everyday, and they know those fraudsters will HIRE somebody to make phone calls, so they're becoming more and more selective. Getting into CPA networks is definitely getting tougher and tougher

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CPAgoat

14 years ago

sometimes difficult for many good people, but their poor English

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manzippo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by CPAgoat

sometimes difficult for many good people, but their poor English

U are right, I was denied by some networks like Maxbounty and EPN just because my poor English.

But there are still some good networks like adworkz who are very patient to poor Enligsh publishes.
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mtmjohn

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Affmz

For those who are trying to run fraud, why not just pick up your phone and talk to networks ? I'm quite sure you can get into some good networks by your own effort.

Because they need to have as much cpa accounts as possible to run fraud. More accounts = More money

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Affmz 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mtmjohn

Because they need to have as much cpa accounts as possible to run fraud. More accounts = More money

You hit the key point, man!
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Kenster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Affmz

It's been a couple weeks I'm not with WF, but when I finished reading the first two pages, I was totally surprised that so many fresh new members here were asking to BUY accounts , SELL accounts and kind of Approval service...

It's exactly the same phenomenon happened several years ago (even now) in BHW which was destroyed and exhausted by this kind of fraudsters, and most of them are coming from Asian & African countries (I don't mean it, but that's the fact)

Buying & Selling & Approval service are NOT allowed by CPA networks, they will ruin the CPA industry, so don't bother with this kind of people, Warriors !!!

For those who are trying to run fraud, why not just pick up your phone and talk to networks ? I'm quite sure you can get into some good networks by your own effort.

Originally Posted by mtmjohn

Because they need to have as much cpa accounts as possible to run fraud. More accounts = More money

Yep thats the problem. The problem is that these people are not looking to buy accounts because they can't speak English well enough or any of the other excuses they use, they need to buy accounts because they are getting flagged on the industry shared fraud lists and are searching for any and all ways to get access to CPA accounts so they can continue their fraud.

That's fine, these type of people rarely make it big in the industry because the opportunities get less and less as they continue to burn bridges.

My problem is the Warriors that get suckered into getting people these accounts without realizing they are jeopardizing their own CPA future!

Are there more of these posts now than in the past...perhaps, I haven't noticed a huge surge, but nonetheless all Warriors should beware of it so they don't get burned.

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Affmz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kenster

Yep thats the problem. The problem is that these people are not looking to buy accounts because they can't speak English well enough or any of the other excuses they use, they need to buy accounts because they are getting flagged on the industry shared fraud lists and are searching for any and all ways to get access to CPA accounts so they can continue their fraud.

That's fine, these type of people rarely make it big in the industry because the opportunities get less and less as they continue to burn bridges.

My problem is the Warriors that get suckered into getting people these accounts without realizing they are jeopardizing their own CPA future!

Are there more of these posts now than in the past...perhaps, I haven't noticed a huge surge, but nonetheless all Warriors should beware of it so they don't get burned.

As far as I know, these people DO make it big ! CPA is essentially a number game, I do believe many of them pocket 5 or 6 figures every month, combined with hundreds of accounts, aren't they Super Affiliates?

Those guys are killing us !

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pointclickken

14 years ago

As long as networks and the affiliate managers are watching their publishers and the traffic, IF a fraudster gets in, typically it's fairly easy to catch and terminate their accounts.

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Joewriter 14 years ago

We should guard what we own selfishly and not allow fraudsters to take over what rightfully belongs to us. Great post
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ChrisBa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Affmz

It's been a couple weeks I'm not with WF, but when I finished reading the first two pages, I was totally surprised that so many fresh new members here were asking to BUY accounts , SELL accounts and kind of Approval service...

It's exactly the same phenomenon happened several years ago (even now) in BHW which was destroyed and exhausted by this kind of fraudsters, and most of them are coming from Asian & African countries (I don't mean it, but that's the fact)

Buying & Selling & Approval service are NOT allowed by CPA networks, they will ruin the CPA industry, so don't bother with this kind of people, Warriors !!!

For those who are trying to run fraud, why not just pick up your phone and talk to networks ? I'm quite sure you can get into some good networks by your own effort.

I'm not sure if it's happening more or we are just seeing it more. I know the mods clean upnthe garbage posts quickly but perhaps they aren't clearing them up as fast. Either way let's hope this fad dies soon as it only makes it worse for the legit affiliates and marketers.

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cpaantifraud

14 years ago

The key for cracking fraud is to identify the traffic, as long as CPA networks accept new affiliates, they still face potential danger of being cheated by fraud, so look for the service like us to identify your fraud affiliates and get rid of them.

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Nikomia

14 years ago

Very true! Just look at this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/ad-netwo...-required.html. Moderators should ban the person who opened this thread.

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Keith Scott

14 years ago

Lots of Fraud attempts these days. Luckily its simple to spot if you just know where to look.

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RevenueFoxEric

14 years ago

I asked for someones government issued ID the other day and the person freaked out on me.

"Canada is not a 3rd world country"

When you sign up you give me all your info anyway. What was the big deal about asking for their ID? Needless to say he did not get an account setup.

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Affmz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by RevenueFoxEric

I asked for someones government issued ID the other day and the person freaked out on me.

"Canada is not a 3rd world country"

When you sign up you give me all your info anyway. What was the big deal about asking for their ID? Needless to say he did not get an account setup.

it's hilarious

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harro1

14 years ago

Fraud is seen on the both sides, some CPA networks are also fraudsters.

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MakeThatMoney

14 years ago

Great post, im tired of fraudsters making it harder for the good guys to do things the right way

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COPEAC Steve

14 years ago

Lots of good stuff on this thread...From personal experiences, i have noticed an influx of fraud make their way into the application process at COPEAC. Luckily, with adding protective measures and more checks and balances it's been easy to flag but one thing that i don't think was mentioned on this thread yet is how much time it takes to review applications properly, get on the phone, ask for documentation, and so on...taking time away from helping legitimate publishers that networks should be focusing on.

I know I've spoken to multiple people on this chain that work at other networks and we've traded fraud publisher contact information as well as some minor trade secrets related to the application process at each respective network. That has been a tremendous help as well.

If anyone would like to connect with me and discuss some of the processes we have in place at COPEAC i would be more than happy to jump on a call.

I realize as networks we compete with one another but protecting the integrity of a network (any network) and keeping it as clean as possible should be an industry wide goal, bringing networks together...

Below is all my information if anyone wants to toss ideas back and forth.

Stephen@Imminteractive.com
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imback

14 years ago

It really does suck and I feel for you "Good" guys out there. It is only a matter of time before the FTC steps in. I mean look at the poker world in the USA right now. Noone really thought they would do it until they had enough

Stay true to your word and if your still not making progress or money at least you know you are doing it the right way.

CHAD

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For all of you that have bombarded the Warrior Forum with some of these grey/blackhat idea I know they have forum on the NET specifically for this. GO check them out and see how far you get

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KristofVanoverbeek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Affmz

It's been a couple weeks I'm not with WF, but when I finished reading the first two pages, I was totally surprised that so many fresh new members here were asking to BUY accounts , SELL accounts and kind of Approval service...

It's exactly the same phenomenon happened several years ago (even now) in BHW which was destroyed and exhausted by this kind of fraudsters, and most of them are coming from Asian & African countries (I don't mean it, but that's the fact)

Buying & Selling & Approval service are NOT allowed by CPA networks, they will ruin the CPA industry, so don't bother with this kind of people, Warriors !!!

For those who are trying to run fraud, why not just pick up your phone and talk to networks ? I'm quite sure you can get into some good networks by your own effort.

Great post these people are ruining it for the rest of us!!

Kristof

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maxboy99

14 years ago

Fraud is a problem for most industries. Buying and selling accounts is just plain wrong. The more fraud that happens the tighter the industry will get.

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Steven Sauve

14 years ago

An additional method fraudsters use to get access to CPA accounts without buying/selling accounts is seeking "partners" through Joint Ventures.

These scammers will typically offer to run their traffic through your account, and offer you around 20% of their earnings simply for handing the traffic. This seems too good to be true: free money for no work, but the reality is that the traffic being sourced is pure fraud, and it's the affiliate with the CPA account that gets their account terminated.

Legitimate affiliates do not need to borrow accounts through Joint Ventures as they should have no problem getting their own.

If you are tempted into a JV, I'd suggest you stay far away as no good will come from it.

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adheip 14 years ago

They just want EASY money thats all.They dont want to work hard and earn
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zhaodu0000

10 years ago

yes,i think we should take some measure for this situation

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