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FAQ - Google Masterclass - don't even think about starting a Google thread until you have read this

by ElectronPlumber
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Hi there fellow Warriors! I've written a FAQ for all the questions about when a site is deindexed or sunk in rankings. The current FAQ points to an article on Deindexing and is missing all the little details that people in this situation really need to know.

PLEASE COMMENT below with opinions or suggestions or improvements or new information!

I'll be happy to help analyze your site if you post it in this thread. but do not send me PMs asking me to analyze your de-indexed sites! My mailbox has been flooded.

Every day there seems to be 5-10 posts about how someones site was dropped from Google, was banned from Google, was deindexed from Google, received a Google slap, etc. Call it what you will, but to see your traffic suddenly drop is scary to say the least.

Usually they are scared and confused and make a post looking for answers where the same questions get asked over and over and over.

I'm starting this thread to collect all the common wisdom and advice for those poor folks who have seen their site disappear and what they can expect.

First, let's clarify some terms here:
  1. Deindexed - When your domain is completely removed from Google. Also known as Banned.
  2. Penalized - When your domain still exists but none of your pages can be found through very direct search queries. Also known as Sent To Hell and Sandboxed.
  3. Sunk - Your domain wasn't Deindexed or Penalized, but the traffic you were getting from Google suddenly drops dramatically. Keywords you used to rank well for (#1-5) are now ranking poorly (#5-50+).
How To Figure Out The Extent Of The Damage

Check With Google's WebMaster Tools

Go to webmaster.google.com. If you haven't setup an account and claimed your site, do it. Google will tell you exactly if there are any technical issues with your site here that may be causing your issues.

How To Tell If You Were Deindexed

Do a "site:yourdomain.com" search in Google, where "yourdomain.com" is your domain. For example, I would type the following exactly into a search box, without the quotes: "site:electronplumber.com".
The pages that come back are all the pages Google has in their database for your site. People call this your INDEXED PAGES. If your site doesn't show and you get this message "Your search - site:electronplumber.com - did not match any documents." you've been deindexed. Note that ANY typo or mistake will cause you to lose a lot of sleep over nothing. If all my pages are at blog.electronplumber.com or a sub-folder like electronplumber.com/blog, you need to do a site: search there. Check them all before you panic.

Don't forget that Google's main aim is to provide quality content and the best results for searchers. Typically a complete deindexing occurs from one of these things:
  • Major Navigation Problems - This happens far more often than people realize in the IM world. Your pop-up opt-in or script that keeps people from using their back button to leave your site correctly WILL get your site deindexed by Google.
  • Duplicate Content - Eventually a site that features ONLY duplicate content from shopping sources such as Amazon or Shopzilla will be deindexed.
  • Offline For Too Long - Your site was offline multiple times for long enough for Google to deem it 100% no longer active. Google does NOT want sites in it's results that don't exist anymore. You may not have noticed your site ever being down, but if your server reboots at the same time Google tries to crawl it and a line goes down to your hosting provider the next time Google tries to crawl it, your site could get temporarily declared dead. This happens far more often than people think. It may take days or weeks to become reindexed. Only time will tell here.
  • Technical Difficulties - Your site is blocked for indexing by a robots.txt file. Most people don't realize that some automatic Wordpress installs have a setting to not allow search engines to find your site.
  • Manual Action - Your site received a manual review by a Google Search Quality Engineer and was found in serious violation of the Google Webmaster guidelines and includes a great many things you could have done wrong.
  • Malware Links - If you use autoblogging content on your site, you could be hosting links to malware or virus sites without knowing it. Go through each link on your site and make sure none of them link to sites that Google reports as hosting malware.
  • Too Fast A Rise - Your giant link building scheme worked and your site shot to the top of the search results for a new site for a monitored keyword For example, too many links to a new site with too little content. Note that I have never seen a site that was deindexed for backlinks alone without a Google Engineer looking at your site. Not one. It's far more likely that your link building worked too well, which caused your site to rise in the SERPS, which caused your site to appear on a Google Quality Engineers manual review report, or caused your longer term competition to report your site to Google as spam.
As a general rule, if the ONLY redeeming value for your site is to earn YOU money while providing no value to your visitor, there is a good chance Google will eventually deindex you. YOU may think that your awesome site layout helps people find products faster or looks better, but if you copied all the descriptions for products right from Amazon, you haven't added value in Google's eyes.

How To Tell If You Were Penalized

If your site passes the index test above but is not showing up for searches, you might have been Penalized. Do a "yourdomain.com" and a "www.yourdomain.com" search in Google, not including the quotes. Does your site appear at the top for at least one of those? Any site that hasn't been hit with a Google penalty should appear as the first results for an exact match search.
If your site doesn't appear, you may have been Penalized by a Google Search Quality Engineer. If your site has violated the Google Webmaster guidelines but still has some redeeming value, your site may be marked in the Google Search system with a penalty to all it's rankings for some period of time. If this happens to you, take a long hard look at your site. The main reasons for being Penalized are:
  • Linking To Bad Neighborhoods - Linking OUT to bad sites such as gambling, porn, hacks, torrents, and the like are seen as bad for your site.
  • Buying links - Tons of debate on if buying links can hurt your site. Most people say the worst that can happen here is you don't get credit for the bought links. If not, then I could buy links to my competition report them to Google and have them penalized. If your site obviously only has paid backlinks though, that might get you into trouble.
  • Selling links - Being caught selling links will definitely hurt your site.
  • Engaging in linking schemes - Basically trying to hide buying or selling links by using three way trades and such.
  • Sneaky Redirects - Attempting to redirect visitors but not search engine robots.
  • Hiding Content - Serving different links or content to search robots than human visitors.
  • Unnatural Linking Pattern - Your backlinks triggered some algorithmic flag known only to Google. Typically due to keyword stuffing. This is by far the most common cause of algorithmic Google penalties. If more than 90% of your links are for a few highly targeted keywords, you'll hit this.
Many people call this being Sandboxed, but there is much debate over exactly what Sandboxing is that I don't want to get into here. Check the Wikipedia page on the Sandbox Effect in the Resources section below. Your only option here is to fix whatever you think Google caught you doing (you'll have to guess unfortunately) and either wait it out for a few months and hope it comes back, or submit your site to Google for Reconsideration.

How To Tell If You Were Sunk

If you weren't Deindexed and weren't Penalized but your site's traffic from Google keyword searches has dropped dramatically, your site might have Sunk.
There is no manual action by Google, no removal from the index. But keywords you were previously ranking well for are no longer ranking well. There are MANY reasons why your site may have sunk in the Google rankings, but some of the most frequent are:
  • Site Redesign - Internal links count and a site redesign may have removed what Google considers to be "aged" links, to the determent of your rankings
  • Link Shaping - So you read an article that says using "nofollow" on internal links is a good idea? You know what? It's NOT. Using "nofollow" on links doesn't cause them to save their link juice, it pours that juice down the sink instead. Don't use "nofollow" except as a way to discourage comment spam.
  • Technical Errors - Setting your robots.txt by accident to prevent indexing on some inner pages can have a VERY negative effect on your rankings
  • Loss of Backlinks - If you rely on a few high value backlinks that suddenly disappear, your rank will drop.
  • Loss of Backlink Value - I once had a site of mine linked in an article on the NPR All Tech Considered blog, a PR 7 page. They only update once every few weeks, so for about three months while the article stayed on the front page I had a VERY powerful backlink. My search traffic to that site increased about 25%. Then three months later after the article dropped off the front page, my search traffic dropped back down again. And on the flip side, one of my bigger sites started as a Wordpress.com free site. After a year I wised up and transferred it to my own hosted domain, paying Wordpress.com $12 to redirect everything from my old site to my new site. The next year I decided not to pay the $12 again since I was no longer getting traffic from the redirects. A few weeks later, my search traffic dropped close to 50%! It was no longer getting credit for those nice aged backlinks that were previously redirected. I coughed up the $12 and a few days later my traffic went back to normal.
  • Lack of Backlink Growth - If you have been doing lots of backlink building and then suddenly drop off.
  • Lack of Fresh Content - Google loves updates and fresh content gives your entire site a boost. Some people call this QDF or "Query Deserves Freshness"
  • Competition - Someone is now outranking you.
  • Google Update - Like the famed "Google Farmer Update", sometimes Google just changes their algorithm and you can get hit.
  • Too Much Duplicate Content, Not Enough Links - I've seen this happen to many autoblog sites. After a few hundred articles without enough backlinks, you'll trigger some math formula where Google gets wise and you'll see search traffic plummet across the board.
  • Outbound Link Junk - Too many outbound links can dilute any internal links you have. As a general rule, never have more than 5-10% outbound links on one page unless they're to one of your own sites. Don't increase your internal links to hit this percentage though!
  • Penalized - Anything from the Penalized or Deindexed list above can cause your site to Sink instead of a harsher penalty if you are lucky.
  • Loss of Honeymoon Effect - Google actually gives every new site a chance to be discovered. For the first few months your new site with new content will get a boost in the SERPS (Search Engine Ranking Positions) to give it a chance of being discovered and becoming popular, even when it has no links. When this effect goes away, your rankings will drop.
  • Slow Site - Google takes into account site speed and loading times for their algorithms. If you are on a shared server, make sure your sites is optimized for speed as much as possible.
  • Site Dilution - Too Much Content, Not Enough Backlink Power - Say when you first start your site, you have 10 posts and you make 10 backlinks. If you add 100 more posts and make 100 backlinks from the same 5 article directories, Google won't see those as 100 backlinks. The algorithm will see them as 10 good links and 90 lower value duplicate backlinks from the same domains and IPs. Now you have 110 articles sharing the same link power from your home page instead of 10 articles and everything drops in the SERPS. As you add fresh content, you have to create fresh DIVERSE backlinks to support that content.
People Talk About The Sandbox. Is My Site In The Sandbox?

You will hear people claim that your new site is in something called the Google Sandbox. The theory is that a new site that has too many backlinks created will get put in a box by Google for 6-12 months and not appear high up in the search results.

Matt Cutts, head of the Quality Team at Google has stated publicly that there IS NO GOOGLE SANDBOX, but there are parts of the Google algorithm that may lead people to believe that such a thing exists.

Google wants a quality experience for visitors of its search engine. People like new and fresh content. Putting new sites that go viral "in a sandbox" is NOT in Google's best interest.

The most likely explanation for The Sandbox effect is this:
  1. New unique content site gets created and gets a giant fresh content bonus (called QDF or Query Deserves Freshness) since everything is brand new.
  2. User builds tons of keyword stuffed spammy low quality backlinks to said new site. The link profile for that site looks unnatural to the algorithm. The Google algorithm very likely then IGNORES these low quality links for new sites.
  3. A month or two later, the site is Sunk to the depths of the search rankings once it loses its QDF bonus and only has ignored backlinks. Site owner thinks they have been sandboxed and stops building links, which makes the problem worse.
If Google was to penalize a site for having too many backlinks, anyone could take a competitors site out of the search results by spamming hundreds of thousands of low quality backlinks at it. The general consensus among SEO experts is that Google will ignore those low quality backlinks, not penalize you for them. However, others swear that you can disrupt a competitors rankings with link spam if that competitor's link profile is weak to begin with.

The lessons here?
  1. Make sure your backlinks look natural (links to words like "here" and "this site" and full URLs like "http://www.examplesite.com/article1"
  2. Make sure you create enough high quality links to any new site to counteract these effects.
Should I Resubmit My Site For Reconsideration?

 Do NOT submit your site for Reconsideration unless you have identified what is wrong first and fixed it. You are basically asking for a Google Quality Engineer to come take a manual look at your site. Have you ever bought any links? Sold any links? Is your site keyword stuffed? Is your site mostly to earn you affiliate commissions? I'd guess 95% of the people on this forum do not really want a Google engineer taking a manual look at their site. A reconsideration request is like asking for an IRS audit without being 100% sure you are owed money. It will just end badly. If anyone with an affiliate site would like to share an example of a successful reconsideration request with us, I'd love to hear it. There is a first time for everything.

If you have received a manual action, you can usually tell. Use the Google toolbar and check if your PageRank is N/A or is grayed out. Check the Google Webmaster report for your site.

If you have been penalized/deindexed/sunk because the Google algorithm had an issue with your site, asking for reconsideration is just asking for trouble. Google will NEVER tell you what is wrong with your site and will just get you a manual review that will end badly. Figure it out using the lists above, fix it, then wait a few weeks before even considering submitting a reconsideration request.

References:
Google Basics - Webmaster Tools Help - Google

Webmaster guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help

Search Engine Optimization (SEO) - Webmaster Tools Help - Google

Webmaster Guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help - Google

Link schemes - Webmaster Tools Help - Google

Paid links - Webmaster Tools Help - Google

Requesting reconsideration of your site - Webmaster Tools Help

Wikipedia: Sandbox Effect

Query Deserves Freshness and Other Temporal Tales | Search News Central

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    • Profile picture of the author Mly2000
      ( if deemed unhelpful, i will remove electron, just pm me if you dont like the post)

      Looking through the google webmaster help section, i looked up the robots.txt error. Google states that alot of times this is not an error, and that if you set it up, it probably does not need fixing. Now i am no expert so if this needs to be corrected by a more experienced person, please do, i do not want to give any unhelpful or false information.

      Google says if you set it up yourself, they will respect it and continue to look for other problems that might cause you to get de-indexed
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      • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
        Originally Posted by Mly2000 View Post

        ( if deemed unhelpful, i will remove electron, just pm me if you dont like the post)

        Looking through the google webmaster help section, i looked up the robots.txt error. Google states that alot of times this is not an error, and that if you set it up, it probably does not need fixing. Now i am no expert so if this needs to be corrected by a more experienced person, please do, i do not want to give any unhelpful or false information.

        Google says if you set it up yourself, they will respect it and continue to look for other problems that might cause you to get de-indexed
        That's a great point Mly2000. What I think they mean in the Google Webmaster Help is that Google will respect the settings you put in robots.txt no matter what, even if it hurts you!

        For example, some hosts install Wordpress with the Privacy setting that says "I would like to block search engines, but allow normal visitors" since they assume you want a private blog by default.

        This puts the following in your robots.txt file:
        Code:
        User-agent: *
Disallow: /
        Which means, don't allow any search engines to index this entire site! If you do this by mistake, you'll see your site disappear from the Google index.
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          seems i have some fixing to do.... now to find out how to remove that...
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

    Deindexed - When your domain is completely removed from Google. Also known as Sandboxed.
    That's not true. What people believe to be a sandbox, is getting burried
    in the SERPs, not deindexed.

    There is no sandbox.

    Here is the official warrior forum FAQ:

    What's the sandbox?

    The disappointment webmasters feel when Google's stupid algorithms don't appreciate their site. It can't be them so it must be Google's fault.
    These are in the FAQ sticky above this part of the forum.

    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author georgewoodman
      Thanks Electron, I'm going through a "suddenly dumped site" problem at the moment and thought I had a penalty of some kind. Did your penalty check and it seems ok.
      However I used some penalty check software and it reckons I have a "-30" penalty so I am hoping you are right. Many thanks

      George

      P.S. what do you think the -30 means ?
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      That's not true. What people believe to be a sandbox, is getting burried
      in the SERPs, not deindexed.

      There is no sandbox.

      Here is the official warrior forum FAQ:



      These are in the FAQ sticky above this part of the forum.

      Paul
      Good catch. I'll move the "also known as Sandboxed" to the Sunk section.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesPenn
    This is HUGELY useful.

    Thanks very much. I used to have one site that got traffic from incredibly competitive keywords but now SE traffic is non-existent.

    It's very useful to understand the hows and whys it happens.

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
      Electron, is there a chance sites getting sunk will ever jump back up?

      I think my sites could have jumped down because I stopped backlinking once I reached the #1-4 spot.
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      • Profile picture of the author galisgos
        Do you think duplicate content means exactly the same? I've been through some of my articles and the format for some is exactly the same - in some cases the first introductory paragraph is very similar due to the nature of the articles.
        The names of the articles are pretty similar as well, imagine something like this (keywords are example) these articles:
        Iphone overview and stats
        Review: Iphone1
        Review: Iphone2
        Review: Iphone3
        Review: Iphone4

        I've been checking google and only the top article survived. The other 4 have totally bombed. They previously were on the first page. Now, they are not even in the top 200 (they are still indexed) and this is for a very specific keywords, a lot of irrelevant stuff is being returned over these specifc articles!

        Is it worth re-writing the other articles a little or is that it for them?
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        • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
          Originally Posted by georgewoodman View Post

          Thanks Electron, I'm going through a "suddenly dumped site" problem at the moment and thought I had a penalty of some kind. Did your penalty check and it seems ok.
          However I used some penalty check software and it reckons I have a "-30" penalty so I am hoping you are right. Many thanks

          George

          P.S. what do you think the -30 means ?
          Goerge, I don't know that penalty check software you are talking about so I can't be sure what the -30 means. What did you use?

          It probably means that if every site has 100 "points" from Google to help it rise in the search results, yours only get 70 or something. You could still get something on page one, but it will take 30% more links or effort or something.

          If the site in your sig is what you are talking about, I can see why you might have dropped.

          1) You are using a link buying exchange that might have gotten you flagged. I'm talking about your "resources" pages.

          2) You have some shady links to car insurance quotes in your footer that Google probably views as paid links.

          I'd bet if you removed both of those you'd see your rankings come back in a month or so, maybe sooner.

          Originally Posted by InTheMaking View Post

          Electron, is there a chance sites getting sunk will ever jump back up?

          I think my sites could have jumped down because I stopped backlinking once I reached the #1-4 spot.
          Absolutely! If your site has sunk down due to lack of fresh content or no new backlinks, get back at it!

          It doesn't take as many backlinks to stay in the top spot as it takes to get your there in the first place. I usually cut back to 50% of my link building when I hit the top and see what happens. If it sticks for a few weeks, go down to 25%, etc.
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          • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
            Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

            Goerge, I don't know that penalty check software you are talking about so I can't be sure what the -30 means. What did you use?

            It probably means that if every site has 100 "points" from Google to help it rise in the search results, yours only get 70 or something. You could still get something on page one, but it will take 30% more links or effort or something.

            If the site in your sig is what you are talking about, I can see why you might have dropped.

            1) You are using a link buying exchange that might have gotten you flagged. I'm talking about your "resources" pages.

            2) You have some shady links to car insurance quotes in your footer that Google probably views as paid links.

            I'd bet if you removed both of those you'd see your rankings come back in a month or so, maybe sooner.



            Absolutely! If your site has sunk down due to lack of fresh content or no new backlinks, get back at it!

            It doesn't take as many backlinks to stay in the top spot as it takes to get your there in the first place. I usually cut back to 50% of my link building when I hit the top and see what happens. If it sticks for a few weeks, go down to 25%, etc.



            I think he is talking about this website:
            Lilengine.com | Google Penalty Checker Tool
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          • Profile picture of the author georgewoodman
            Hi Electron,

            Back in April I got some great advice from you which i acted on. It made a great difference to my rankings and they appear to be stable now. I somehow forgot to thank you at the time, so thank you very much indeed - you've made the difference between making a little money and making nothing. It also stopped me from giving up altogether.

            All the best to you
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          I expect titles like that exist in a lot of review places. The if the reviews are on the same servers but under different domains, this could be your problem. If your sites share the same server, they will have the same IP address and this could be bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author TBInternetMarketing
    What a great post. I wonder if this should be made into a sticky,because you're right, you do see these kind of questions 5 times a day. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author massivemarketing
    Agreed this is a great post! I was about to ask a few questions but thank god I found this. I have a question that I hope others can help answer.

    I have a lot of clients asking for web design and marketing work and a lot of times cross sell SEO and hosting. Right now I am hosted with a VPS with 2 static IP addresses. We have many clients hosted with us under the same IP addresses and many of them are #1 for various keywords. Everything we've done so far has been conservative but we have one project which will requires aggressive article marketing back linking. For this project we will generate 33,000 backlinks a month through article marketing and will host this through our VPS.

    If this site get penalized or deindexed. Will it have a domino effect and take all out websites? If so, would getting additional IP addresses help? I've heard the term c-class IP's too. Will that help?
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by massivemarketing View Post

      Agreed this is a great post! I was about to ask a few questions but thank god I found this. I have a question that I hope others can help answer.

      I have a lot of clients asking for web design and marketing work and a lot of times cross sell SEO and hosting. Right now I am hosted with a VPS with 2 static IP addresses. We have many clients hosted with us under the same IP addresses and many of them are #1 for various keywords. Everything we've done so far has been conservative but we have one project which will requires aggressive article marketing back linking. For this project we will generate 33,000 backlinks a month through article marketing and will host this through our VPS.

      If this site get penalized or deindexed. Will it have a domino effect and take all out websites? If so, would getting additional IP addresses help? I've heard the term c-class IP's too. Will that help?
      There is MUCH debate on what happens to shared IPs for SEO. The general consensus is that you will not get dinged for sharing the same IP as a site that Google has penalized. Think about the millions of domains on shared hosting plans at GoDaddy and Hostgator and the like that share the same IP as 1000-2000 others.

      Another general consensus is that Google might think less of links that come from the same IP. So if you were hosting two sites on the same IP address and linked from one to the other, Google might see that as a "fake" link and not give you credit for it in their algorithm.

      There are hints and rumors that Google Quality Engineers can be a very vindictive bunch and when they find one site that violates their terms, will whack all the sites they can find from that owner. How far will they go to find you? Tough to say. If they can tell that all the domains on one IP are registered to one person or share the same Google Analytics or Adsense account, they might just smack them all.

      So where does that leave you? If you are being well paid by the clients you should certainly take ALL steps possible to protect their SEO investment. Talk to your hosting provider and get an IP address just for the new client. Register the domain in their name, not yours. Make a new Google Analytics and Webmaster account unrelated to your others.
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      • Profile picture of the author pixelpusher
        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

        There are hints and rumors that Google Quality Engineers can be a very vindictive bunch and when they find one site that violates their terms, will whack all the sites they can find from that owner. How far will they go to find you? Tough to say. If they can tell that all the domains on one IP are registered to one person or share the same Google Analytics or Adsense account, they might just smack them all.

        This is certainly not a rumor. Two days ago, google basically just destroyed my online income. They must have found a few of my sites that they didn't like, and de-indexed as many of mine as they could find, which was maybe around 20 sites.

        What I don't understand is this: Why can't they at least send a warning of some kind, or just throw the sites in the supposed 'sandbox'...frick, even tell me to take my site offline until I correct the problems. Anything, just don't de-index all of my sites without notice or warning, or any understanding of why they did.

        I think the problem is they're too arrogant or too lazy to care, they just get high on their power and say, "hmmm...don't like you....gone....gone....gone" and when you try to get an honest answer as to what to change, you get a link to a bunch of non-specific outlines of what they consider questionable. I don't want questionable, I want black and white.

        Yes, I build affiliate sites, and yes I work on them every day to try to make them better. I have people emailing me or posting comments every single day with questions, and I go out and try to research and find answers, or direct them to someone that can help them. I have polls on my sites, forums, original articles, relevant videos put up only because they are useful to visitors, have never bought links or traffic, don't do anything black-hat, and keep the sites looking clean and professional...I am also a graphic designer.

        Many of these sites have been up for years, and I'm sick and tired of worrying every day that someone at G will look at one of my sites, and although they have passed other reviews for years, someone there had a bad day, and decided to take it out on me.

        After going through a year and a half of unemployment, being cut back to part time for months, going through a bankruptcy because of it, my mom just passing away after a long battle from a stroke 4 years ago and contracting mrsa and e-coli and hundreds of thousands in hospital bills, my brother with MS, and my dad with pagett's disease...I don't think anyone there understands how much for the worse they can change people's lives. Or again, they simply don't care.

        I'm sorry to play the 'poor me' card, but I'm just so tired of them ruling the planet. Yes I'm ranting, but I was just at the point of having a full time income, which was reduced overnight by 75% or more. I would have done anything, made any changes, jumped through their golden hoops just to keep my sites from being completely removed from their search engine without a hint of notice.

        This is a very good post however...I hope no one has to go through what I've experienced.

        -Will
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        • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
          Originally Posted by pixelpusher View Post

          This is certainly not a rumor. Two days ago, google basically just destroyed my online income. They must have found a few of my sites that they didn't like, and de-indexed as many of mine as they could find, which was maybe around 20 sites.
          ...
          This is a very good post however...I hope no one has to go through what I've experienced.

          -Will
          Will, would you mind posting or PMing me some of the sites that were deindexed? What was the common thread linking all the sites together? Was it Adsense or Analytics, all on the same server or anything like that.

          Would be nice if some good could come out of your loss here by trying to understand how other people can prevent it.
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          • Profile picture of the author pixelpusher
            If you could send a PM with your email, I'd be happy to reply. I REALLY need to start posting more on here! haha
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            • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
              Originally Posted by pixelpusher View Post

              If you could send a PM with your email, I'd be happy to reply. I REALLY need to start posting more on here! haha
              Ok, PM sent. Can you at least speculate on what the common thread was between all the sites that were deindexed? We're they linked together by an Adsense account or Analytics account?
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by pixelpusher View Post

          This is certainly not a rumor. Two days ago, google basically just destroyed my online income. They must have found a few of my sites that they didn't like, and de-indexed as many of mine as they could find, which was maybe around 20 sites.

          What I don't understand is this: Why can't they at least send a warning of some kind, or just throw the sites in the supposed 'sandbox'...frick, even tell me to take my site offline until I correct the problems. Anything, just don't de-index all of my sites without notice or warning, or any understanding of why they did.

          I think the problem is they're too arrogant or too lazy to care, they just get high on their power and say, "hmmm...don't like you....gone....gone....gone" and when you try to get an honest answer as to what to change, you get a link to a bunch of non-specific outlines of what they consider questionable. I don't want questionable, I want black and white.

          Yes, I build affiliate sites, and yes I work on them every day to try to make them better. I have people emailing me or posting comments every single day with questions, and I go out and try to research and find answers, or direct them to someone that can help them. I have polls on my sites, forums, original articles, relevant videos put up only because they are useful to visitors, have never bought links or traffic, don't do anything black-hat, and keep the sites looking clean and professional...I am also a graphic designer.

          Many of these sites have been up for years, and I'm sick and tired of worrying every day that someone at G will look at one of my sites, and although they have passed other reviews for years, someone there had a bad day, and decided to take it out on me.

          After going through a year and a half of unemployment, being cut back to part time for months, going through a bankruptcy because of it, my mom just passing away after a long battle from a stroke 4 years ago and contracting mrsa and e-coli and hundreds of thousands in hospital bills, my brother with MS, and my dad with pagett's disease...I don't think anyone there understands how much for the worse they can change people's lives. Or again, they simply don't care.

          I'm sorry to play the 'poor me' card, but I'm just so tired of them ruling the planet. Yes I'm ranting, but I was just at the point of having a full time income, which was reduced overnight by 75% or more. I would have done anything, made any changes, jumped through their golden hoops just to keep my sites from being completely removed from their search engine without a hint of notice.

          This is a very good post however...I hope no one has to go through what I've experienced.

          -Will
          Hi Will,

          Google does not de-index websites unless they are violating the published Webmaster Guidelines.

          The good news is that if you remove the offensive content you can get your websites re-indexed. I recommend that you study the guidelines and fix what is wrong with your websites. It's all about providing a quality user experience, do your part if you want to be included in Google's index.
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          • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            Hi Will,

            Google does not de-index websites unless they are violating the published Webmaster Guidelines.

            The good news is that if you remove the offensive content you can get your websites re-indexed. I recommend that you study the guidelines and fix what is wrong with your websites. It's all about providing a quality user experience, do your part if you want to be included in Google's index.
            Thanks Don, I've always thought the same thing. That Google treats each site by itself and won't deindex good sites based on something an owner did on another site. But yet I keep seeing these posts on WF saying "Google Deindexed 40 of my sites" where people claim that they did something bad on a couple of sites, yet all their sites were deindexed.

            I have yet to see any definitive proof of a good site that was deindexed by association. The one time someone showed me the "good" site that was deindexed, it was an eBay scraper site made with BANS which is no shocker.

            It's far more likely that there is something bannable about all 40 sites or a technical problem on their server like a bad robots.txt or a virus when someone claims Google 40 sites deindexed because of one bad site.

            If anyone has an example otherwise, I'd love to see it.
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      • Profile picture of the author slowwalkere
        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

        There is MUCH debate on what happens to shared IPs for SEO. The general consensus is that you will not get dinged for sharing the same IP as a site that Google has penalized. Think about the millions of domains on shared hosting plans at GoDaddy and Hostgator and the like that share the same IP as 1000-2000 others.
        Case in point. Last year, I had three websites hosted on the same hosting account (three domains, same IP). One of the Wordpress installations was hacked, and some invisible, malicious links were inserted in an iframe. This led to that one site getting heavily penalized. It was still indexed, but I lost all of my Google traffic, and I didn't see it in the SERPs unless I searched with the "site:" prefix.

        The other two sites were not effected in any way. Neither one was very popular (~50-100 UV/day), but they stayed in just about the same spot in the SERPs and saw no significant change in their traffic coming from Google.

        I fixed the issue with the one blog, requested reconsideration through Google Webmaster tools, and all was well a few months later.
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  • Profile picture of the author crowly
    Hi ElectronPlumber,

    Here is one for you - my site bluewidgets.info when put in Google search like that - bluewidgets.info will not show up. It says " Showing results for bluewidgets.net. Search instead for bluewidgets.info. " When I do the search with quotes it shows in the first 3 spots. Site was ranking ( homepage ) on 3rd page and when out top 1000 . Funny thing is that an inner page is still ranking for the same keyword on 5th page.


    Any ideas?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by crowly View Post

      Hi ElectronPlumber,

      Here is one for you - my site bluewidgets.info when put in Google search like that - bluewidgets.info will not show up. It says " Showing results for bluewidgets.net. Search instead for bluewidgets.info. " When I do the search with quotes it shows in the first 3 spots. Site was ranking ( homepage ) on 3rd page and when out top 1000 . Funny thing is that an inner page is still ranking for the same keyword on 5th page.


      Any ideas?

      Thanks
      That's the Google algorithm saying that there is much more highly ranked site than yours with a similar spelling. It's as if you searched for "air conditoner", Google will try to correct it for you.

      Once you make a name for your site in it's own right with backlinks, you'll see that effect go away.

      You are no longer ranking most likely since your site no longer has the honeymoon bonus being applied to it. Google gives a new site a sort of honeymoon period where it gets higher rankings so that people can find it and have a chance to link to it. It's considered NEW content for a while, and Google loves new content. After a month or two without getting good backlinks, your site loses it's honeymoon bonus and will drop. Your site can keep this honeymoon bonus for longer by constantly adding new unique content to it.
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      • Profile picture of the author swarmcatcher
        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

        That's the Google algorithm saying that there is much more highly ranked site than yours with a similar spelling. It's as if you searched for "air conditoner", Google will try to correct it for you.

        Once you make a name for your site in it's own right with backlinks, you'll see that effect go away.

        You are no longer ranking most likely since your site no longer has the honeymoon bonus being applied to it. Google gives a new site a sort of honeymoon period where it gets higher rankings so that people can find it and have a chance to link to it. It's considered NEW content for a while, and Google loves new content. After a month or two without getting good backlinks, your site loses it's honeymoon bonus and will drop. Your site can keep this honeymoon bonus for longer by constantly adding new unique content to it.
        I'm completly lost here. I have a business called Vale Pest Control in Cardiff UK, i have been steadily optimising it over the last month, re writing pages to remove any possible plagiarism, still got a lot to go, but suddenly find the site has sunk badly. What sort of backlinks should i have got for it? It doesn't make sense to me, its just a local business site, but i'm not even in the top 100 any more - what am i meant to do? Is it worth buying into the war room - will i find out there? valepestcontrol.co.uk non existant on searches like "pest control cardiff", "wasp nest cardiff"
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesPenn
    I have a quick question regarding one of my niche sites performance.

    I made a new post the other day and within minutes it was indexed in Google and on page 4 for the keyword I was targeting. The following day I was getting a fair bit of traffic direct to this blog post.

    The next day the traffic stopped and when I went to Google and typed in www.myblog.com/post-name - it was nowhere to be found.

    Now when I search the URL in Google it is there but if I highlight a paragraph from my content and search it, it doesn't get found.

    This omission from the search results is a one off - it hasn't happened to any of my other pages.

    The only explanation I can think of is that I added an Aweber web form at the end of the post using the javascript webform. I don't normally do this. Would this cause an issue with ranking?

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by JamesPenn View Post

      I have a quick question regarding one of my niche sites performance.

      I made a new post the other day and within minutes it was indexed in Google and on page 4 for the keyword I was targeting. The following day I was getting a fair bit of traffic direct to this blog post.

      The next day the traffic stopped and when I went to Google and typed in www.myblog.com/post-name - it was nowhere to be found.

      Now when I search the URL in Google it is there but if I highlight a paragraph from my content and search it, it doesn't get found.

      This omission from the search results is a one off - it hasn't happened to any of my other pages.

      The only explanation I can think of is that I added an Aweber web form at the end of the post using the javascript webform. I don't normally do this. Would this cause an issue with ranking?

      James
      That's a tricky question to answer without looking at the actual site or page. Feel free to drop it in a private message if you want me to take a look.

      A page issue with the javascript could certainly prevent Google from crawling that page, as well as any sort of mistake or typo in your robots.txt file as well.

      You should certainly check the Google Webmaster results for that site and see if any errors appear in their crawl logs for that page.

      Another possibility is that the page has gone over some Google algorithm threshold for things like keyword stuffing, linking out to a known bad site, or duplicate content.

      It could be that the page has gone into Google's "supplemental" index due to any of the reasons listed here: Supplemental Result - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      I'd remove whatever your did right before it dropped off (the awber opt in) and see if that fixes itself in a few weeks. Also, give it some backlinks and see if it comes back.

      What happens if you just take a sentence off that page, put it in quotes and search for it, does your page come up?
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by JamesPenn View Post

      I have a quick question regarding one of my niche sites performance.

      I made a new post the other day and within minutes it was indexed in Google and on page 4 for the keyword I was targeting. The following day I was getting a fair bit of traffic direct to this blog post.

      The next day the traffic stopped and when I went to Google and typed in www.myblog.com/post-name - it was nowhere to be found.

      Now when I search the URL in Google it is there but if I highlight a paragraph from my content and search it, it doesn't get found.

      This omission from the search results is a one off - it hasn't happened to any of my other pages.

      The only explanation I can think of is that I added an Aweber web form at the end of the post using the javascript webform. I don't normally do this. Would this cause an issue with ranking?

      James
      Hi James,


      This sounds like the typical results you might see from QDF (Query Deserves Freshness), Google's freshness factor. Once this temporary boost wears off, your page will sink in the rankings to it's truly earned rank.

      Since different keywords will have different levels of competition, how far and fast your page's rank fluctuates will vary based on that competition.

      There are other possibilities, like someone scraping your content and outranking you with duplicate content. But most of the time it's just QDF.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesPenn
    Thanks everyone for your help so far.

    What the hell, I'll just share the page:

    Top 10 Best Oils For Hair Growth | Natural Oils For Hair Growth | Essential Oils For Hair Growth (opt-in form now removed)

    The keyword it was on page 4 for was "best oils for hair growth".

    The post lists the top 10 oils, and then as I write an article on one specific oil, I update the original top 10 list with a hyperlink to the specific article.

    If you search "Top 10 Best Oils For Hair Growth" then you'll see (or at least I'm seeing) that one of my specific articles about coconut oil is ranked in the top position. My page is nowhere to be seen.

    Any ideas why?

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by JamesPenn View Post

      Thanks everyone for your help so far.

      What the hell, I'll just share the page:

      Top 10 Best Oils For Hair Growth | Natural Oils For Hair Growth | Essential Oils For Hair Growth (opt-in form now removed)

      The keyword it was on page 4 for was "best oils for hair growth".

      The post lists the top 10 oils, and then as I write an article on one specific oil, I update the original top 10 list with a hyperlink to the specific article.

      If you search "Top 10 Best Oils For Hair Growth" then you'll see (or at least I'm seeing) that one of my specific articles about coconut oil is ranked in the top position. My page is nowhere to be seen.

      Any ideas why?

      James
      Everything looks completely fine on that page. It has to have something to do with the opt-in you had on there. Is that the only page you put the opt-in code on? I'd be super wary of putting it anywhere else.

      Make some external backlinks to it and I'd bet you see it pop back up in the next few weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluecanaria
    Anybody knows what the -30 means in tools.seomoves.org/penaltychecker?
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    Ahh yes...the Honeymoon effect...I know it well...and now it has a name..
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  • Profile picture of the author bluecanaria
    hmm my site is 10 months old...
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by bluecanaria View Post

      hmm my site is 10 months old...
      It means that site did some unknown analysis and determined that all things being equal you should rank higher that you actually do. It probably just does a site: search and a direct URL search. If that don't show up as #1 for one of those, it shows you that -30 and that likely have a penalty.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesPenn
    A quick update on my issue...

    The page is back in the rankings and is on page one (at least when I search) for one of my main keyphrases that gets 2.4k searches per month. Good stuff!

    Thanks to everyone who helped with my issue.

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author bluecanaria
    Thanks for answering.

    My site is #1 on a direct URL or site: search, but seems to be gone to google hell or something...

    It was ranking #5 at best for my main keyword, and appears to be in the sandbox or something now.. So what do I do? keep on building links and add new content? This is what i have been doing all week.
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  • Profile picture of the author jewel3000
    Thanks @ElectronPlumber - this is awesome & comprehensive.

    So far, my pages have only benefited from Panda. Hopefully I won't do anything to muck-up things. I will definitely bookmark this page, just in case!
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  • Profile picture of the author dungdenvn
    nice post, thank you a lot for this. It's may save my site
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    • Profile picture of the author Mgriff
      I am curious what you mean about "Site Redesign". I bought a PR 4 aged domain a few months back and redesigned the site using wordpress.

      I started getting tons of traffic from my keywords, then rankings totally sunk and have been that way for over 2 weeks now. According to your guidelines, my site has Sunk.

      I add about 1 unique blog post every day for the past 2 months and I have some good links coming from top article directories, High PR link networks, press releases, link wheels and .EDU backlinks.

      The site is not dancing at all. By that I mean the rankings have not temporarily come back to the first page at all.

      Do you think this is just the google dance and my site will come back if I just keep adding unique content and backlinks? Any other thoughts?
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by Mgriff View Post

        I am curious what you mean about "Site Redesign". I bought a PR 4 aged domain a few months back and redesigned the site using wordpress.

        I started getting tons of traffic from my keywords, then rankings totally sunk and have been that way for over 2 weeks now. According to your guidelines, my site has Sunk.

        I add about 1 unique blog post every day for the past 2 months and I have some good links coming from top article directories, High PR link networks, press releases, link wheels and .EDU backlinks.

        The site is not dancing at all. By that I mean the rankings have not temporarily come back to the first page at all.

        Do you think this is just the google dance and my site will come back if I just keep adding unique content and backlinks? Any other thoughts?
        Hi ,

        This sounds like yet another case of QDF. Please see my post above:http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post3682620
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneyerr
    Your post is very much useful.
    Thanks. It's very useful to understand the hows and whys it happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Katejon
    Thanks to Electron Plumber. Shall investigate and leave no stone unturned.

    Can't tell if I am now twice as far down the rankings because of panda or the 'honeymoon effect' - which I have never heard of before!
    But the weird thing is that sites now above me have much lower link 'profiles' - are new, not even got keywords on the site and title and some not even selling similar things (bizarre) and I was doing OK. I'm fairly new to this so still tying to work out what I can!
    I think my main crime maybe was to write decent articles which then got syndicated (not under my control)
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  • Profile picture of the author aaronngoh
    My site parlorguitars.net used to rank number 1 in google for the keyword parlor guitars

    Recently I cannot find it on the first page

    When I do google search for site:parlorguitars.net and parlorguitars.net, I can find the site

    I really do not know what to do to get myself back on the 1st page of google?

    Any advice would be great
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    Fantastic thread, thanks for taking the time to write it
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkSveik
    Thanks! I was in panic mode for a few days, but now I think I know what happened.

    My problems are most likely the redesign (took away some internal links from one of my pages to my home page), and the lack of fresh content.
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by MarkSveik View Post

      Thanks! I was in panic mode for a few days, but now I think I know what happened.

      My problems are most likely the redesign (took away some internal links from one of my pages to my home page), and the lack of fresh content.
      Yeah, for most people it's a redesign issue that causes it. I typically tell people to completely undo the last set of changes you made to your site if your ranking sinks and see if it comes back.
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  • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
    Hi There ElectronPlumber,
    Thanks for your critique of my site : Reverse Phone Lookup | Top Rated Services Reviewed And Critiqued and thanks for alerting me as to the possible reason for being de-indexed by big G. when you commented on my thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...g-morning.html


    Well, I am still de-indexed by G after I filed a reconsideration request. What I did? Well I removed all the articles and pages on my site ( about 220 pages) that you said I was keyword stuffing. My site now has about 12 pages, and I made sure there is no keyword stuffing left and it all has unique content ( copyscape passed) .

    And this morning I get then boilerplated email response from Google:

    Dear site owner or webmaster of Reverse Phone Lookup | Top Rated Services Reviewed And Critiqued,

    We received a request from a site owner to reconsider Reverse Phone Lookup | Top Rated Services Reviewed And Critiqued for compliance with Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

    We've reviewed your site and we believe that some or all of your pages still violate our quality guidelines.

    In order to preserve the quality of our search engine, pages from Reverse Phone Lookup | Top Rated Services Reviewed And Critiqued may not appear or may not rank as highly in Google's search results, or may otherwise be considered to be less trustworthy than sites which follow the quality guidelines.

    If you wish to be reconsidered again, please correct or remove all pages that are outside our quality guidelines. When such changes have been made, please visit https://www.google.com/webmasters/to...deration?hl=en and resubmit your site for reconsideration.

    If you have additional questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

    Sincerely,

    Google Search Quality Team
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    I am ready to jump off a bridge as I am clueless at what else I need to do!!! Can you take a look once again and let me what should I do?
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      hbsjcd3 - The site looks much better now, but still has some issues. I don't work for Google, but if you fix these you stand a much better chance.
      1. You have serious navigation issues. You can't get back to your homepage from most of your other pages. You need to link your header image to your homepage at the very least. Also, your footer links for Terms, Privacy and About should appear on every page.
      2. You have what might appear to Google to be a paid link in your footer. The XMLSitemap one.
      3. You need to disclose on your About or Terms page that you receive compensation from affiliate sales from the sites you reviewed.
      4. The blurb at the top of your homepage stinks of BS. You've received thousands of customer testimonials for your site and professional feedback? If that's true, provide some backup, otherwise it's hurting you. This one: "Reverse phone lookup consumers depend on our unbiased reviews to provide information they need to make the right decision. Therefore, we've become the consumer guide of choice, thanks to the help of thousands of consumer testimonials and professional feedback from hundreds of private detective and investigation firms."
      That's all I can find for stuff Google might have issues with. However if you are asking for a manual review again, it might help to try to spice your site up with stuff Google likes such as some industry news or more links to other legitimate phone lookup resources on the web.

      Also, you linked your site 4 times in that one post there, which stinks of spam and might get your post removed from WF if anyone happens to report it. I'd suggest you go back and edit it.
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      • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

        hbsjcd3 - The site looks much better now, but still has some issues. I don't work for Google, but if you fix these you stand a much better chance.
        1. You have serious navigation issues. You can't get back to your homepage from most of your other pages. You need to link your header image to your homepage at the very least. Also, your footer links for Terms, Privacy and About should appear on every page.
        2. You have what might appear to Google to be a paid link in your footer. The XMLSitemap one.
        3. You need to disclose on your About or Terms page that you receive compensation from affiliate sales from the sites you reviewed.
        4. The blurb at the top of your homepage stinks of BS. You've received thousands of customer testimonials for your site and professional feedback? If that's true, provide some backup, otherwise it's hurting you. This one: "Reverse phone lookup consumers depend on our unbiased reviews to provide information they need to make the right decision. Therefore, we've become the consumer guide of choice, thanks to the help of thousands of consumer testimonials and professional feedback from hundreds of private detective and investigation firms."
        That's all I can find for stuff Google might have issues with. However if you are asking for a manual review again, it might help to try to spice your site up with stuff Google likes such as some industry news or more links to other legitimate phone lookup resources on the web.

        Also, you linked your site 4 times in that one post there, which stinks of spam and might get your post removed from WF if anyone happens to report it. I'd suggest you go back and edit it.
        Thanks, I will make those changes. What post are you talking about that was linked 4 times?
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      • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

        hbsjcd3 - The site looks much better now, but still has some issues. I don't work for Google, but if you fix these you stand a much better chance.
        1. You have serious navigation issues. You can't get back to your homepage from most of your other pages. You need to link your header image to your homepage at the very least. Also, your footer links for Terms, Privacy and About should appear on every page.
        2. You have what might appear to Google to be a paid link in your footer. The XMLSitemap one.
        3. You need to disclose on your About or Terms page that you receive compensation from affiliate sales from the sites you reviewed.
        4. The blurb at the top of your homepage stinks of BS. You've received thousands of customer testimonials for your site and professional feedback? If that's true, provide some backup, otherwise it's hurting you. This one: "Reverse phone lookup consumers depend on our unbiased reviews to provide information they need to make the right decision. Therefore, we've become the consumer guide of choice, thanks to the help of thousands of consumer testimonials and professional feedback from hundreds of private detective and investigation firms."
        That's all I can find for stuff Google might have issues with. However if you are asking for a manual review again, it might help to try to spice your site up with stuff Google likes such as some industry news or more links to other legitimate phone lookup resources on the web.

        Also, you linked your site 4 times in that one post there, which stinks of spam and might get your post removed from WF if anyone happens to report it. I'd suggest you go back and edit it.
        Ok,

        I have made the suggests you recommended and added some more content and outbound looks to trusted sources in the index page. I know... Its not pretty, but I basically want to get within their guidelines, then once my site gets re-indexed I will work on aesthetics.
        what do you think?
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        • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
          Originally Posted by hbsjcd3 View Post

          Ok,

          I have made the suggests you recommended and added some more content and outbound looks to trusted sources in the index page. I know... Its not pretty, but I basically want to get within their guidelines, then once my site gets re-indexed I will work on aesthetics.
          what do you think?
          That looks much better. The only issues I can still see is that you still have that freesitemapgenerator.com link in your footer, and that you claim in your main article that you've tested over 100 similar phone lookup services still stinks of BS. Either provide a list of the services that you've actually tried to back it up, or remove the claim.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kai Pei
          Electron Plumber - Kick A** post bro.

          Nicely summed up. This is quality info. Bookmarked for future reference.

          This should come in handy seeing as I'm about to launch a campaign for a new niche site.

          Thanks again
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        • Profile picture of the author GetMoreTraffic
          Great thread! Good to have some sensible clarification on these issues.

          What if you have a site which fails the site:domain.com check, yet which is still showing several thousand URLS indexed according to Google Webmaster Tools, and which Google is still crawling every few minutes...AND regularly downloading the robots.txt file...

          What the heck does that mean? If Google has decided to de-index a site, why would it keep crawling it every couple of minutes? And why wouldn't the number of URLs indexed show as zero in GWT?

          This has happened to several of our blogs lately
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          • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
            Originally Posted by GetMoreTraffic View Post

            Great thread! Good to have some sensible clarification on these issues.

            What if you have a site which fails the site:domain.com check, yet which is still showing several thousand URLS indexed according to Google Webmaster Tools, and which Google is still crawling every few minutes...AND regularly downloading the robots.txt file...

            What the heck does that mean? If Google has decided to de-index a site, why would it keep crawling it every couple of minutes? And why wouldn't the number of URLs indexed show as zero in GWT?

            This has happened to several of our blogs lately
            There could be a bunch of reasons. Those Webmaster tools are typically a month behind in my experience, so you could just be seeing out of date info.

            First off, check all the different site:domain.com variations. I have a site that will show up for a site:domain.com search but not a site:www.domain.com search, vice versa. I also have one that doesn't show for a site:"domain.com" search but will if I leave out the quotes. Also, try site:domain.com/ too. It all depends on how you setup and linked your site and if you are having any of what Google calls concatenation issues. So make 100% sure that you aren't just having what is generally called.

            Second, you could be connecting to a Google server that has out of date indexing information. Make sure you log out of Google, use a browser like Firefox to start a private browsing session, go to your local coffee shop so you have a different IP and try again.

            Third, maybe you are have a technical issue where a META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW" or something like it snuck onto your pages from a Wordpress upgrade or something. So Google is still checking to see if it is ready to be reincluded. Maybe your server has a virus that is injecting spam link redirects or something like that.

            Fourth and most likely, you have received an algorithmic penalty on that site. That the algorithm has detected something wrong with that site. Maybe you have a bad backlink profile, or you have a known paid link widget that Google is detecting, or you are linking out to known bad sites. this happens all the time with autoblogs where you have automatic content where you are unknowingly linking to a malware site. Google keeps coming back to see if you have cleaned up your act yet.

            If you post one of the sites here, maybe we can help you figure it out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Drewry_Media
          technically speaking, a site can be delisted due to a number of reasons.



          a) duplicate content w/ no original content


          b) a website with a massive link farm


          c) engaging in link wheels


          d) dup. forum reply


          e) & much more





          it's always a proven fact that the best way to avoid your site from being delisted and placed in the search engine sandbox is to:



          a) keep site content fresh often


          b) provide useful links to relevant sites


          c) provide meaningful content


          d) don't ping your site often


          e) stay away from mixing duplicate content with unique content




          So what does everyone think of what I've posted here as a reply ? :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author edumonsters
            Originally Posted by Drewry_Media View Post

            So what does everyone think of what I've posted here as a reply ? :-)
            I absolutely agree with you. The best way to SEO is good content in the long run. Social media advertising and some PPC campaigns might help with traffic in the beginning.
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        • Profile picture of the author sarabpreet
          hi,
          well i have launched a new website hosted from hiox india and domain from godaddy.it is getting dns and server conectivity errors in google webmaster right from beginning. more over when i type this url in google search bar .the web pages of my site does not come all together. how can i sort out this problem?
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          • Profile picture of the author It Is Me
            Originally Posted by sarabpreet View Post

            hi,
            well i have launched a new website hosted from hiox india and domain from godaddy.it is getting dns and server conectivity errors in google webmaster right from beginning. more over when i type this url in google search bar .the web pages of my site does not come all together. how can i sort out this problem?
            Ask your webhosting company if there is something wrong from their end.
            And are you able to visit your website?
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      • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

        Also, your footer links for Terms, Privacy and About should appear on every page.
        Uh, do all blogs need all 3?

        You need to disclose on your About or Terms page that you receive compensation from affiliate sales from the sites you reviewed
        Oh gosh, I gtg fix that on one of my own blogs, I forgot!

        Does anyone have a link that describes the best practices for this in 2011?
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    A side note on site redesign. Many have asked if changing a Wordpress theme can hurt your rankings.

    Currently I rank #6 for a keywords that Google shows having 160,000,000 competing pages.

    I have changed my Wordpress theme several times and have never dropped off of the first page when doing so, so apparently, according to Google, changing a Wordpress them seems to be OK...at least it was for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author mpx305
    Thank you for a great post, this really helps my troubleshooting efforts. My two month old site was ranking really well (page one rankings for my main keywords) and then suddenly dropped sharply. It could be the honeymoon affect or several changes that I made in a short period of time. At least now I know where to start looking and I will be more careful with making multiple changes in a short period of time...

    Update: Almost a month to the day that my pages dropped off the face of Google - they are back to the first page again. It was a new site, so I guess the Google dance took a month to determine where to place me - thank goodness it was back on page 1.

    I made some minor on page changes to the site to clean it up and I just kept back linking to it.

    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
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    nice post...
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    Thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author briantalk
    Thanks for this post. One of my sites has sunk in the rankings on since April 21st and I have been struggling with it since then. This will definitely help.
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  • Profile picture of the author nikkijames
    THANKS!

    My site has been holding fast on page 1 for the last 8 months and sunk about 3 weeks ago, I have been scratching my head all week and now have a refreshed sense of direction.

    I was heavily using article marketing and have been hearing a lot about how the newest update by G has really devalued Article directory links? Whats everyones thoughts on that?
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    • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
      Hey, you know when you see wordpress websites in Google search results, it looks like this:


      WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums
      1 Feb 2011 ... The best Internet Marketing Forums on the internet, join our forums, start learning and earning!
      warriorforum.com/ - Cached - Similar


      One of my sites which was on 1st place @ 2nd page on Google dropped to the last page on Google over a month ago. One thing I noticed is that the date like you see in the above example is gone, all wordpress websites seem to show a date. Now it only shows the meta description.

      What do you think it means?
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      • Profile picture of the author GlobalTrader
        Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post

        Hey, you know when you see wordpress websites in Google search results, it looks like this:


        WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums
        1 Feb 2011 ... The best Internet Marketing Forums on the internet, join our forums, start learning and earning!
        warriorforum.com/ - Cached - Similar


        One of my sites which was on 1st place @ 2nd page on Google dropped to the last page on Google over a month ago. One thing I noticed is that the date like you see in the above example is gone, all wordpress websites seem to show a date. Now it only shows the meta description.

        What do you think it means?
        My main money site is HTML only and I have been seeing this date flucuation for the past year. Sometimes there is no date, next time it might be 2003, 2008, 2010, I am not a google employee so I cannot state what it means or why it is showing up one time or the next but my personal "opinion" is that it has nothing to do with your overall rankings.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Remove the date from your WP-theme.

        Done...



        Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post

        Hey, you know when you see wordpress websites in Google search results, it looks like this:


        WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums
        1 Feb 2011 ... The best Internet Marketing Forums on the internet, join our forums, start learning and earning!
        warriorforum.com/ - Cached - Similar


        One of my sites which was on 1st place @ 2nd page on Google dropped to the last page on Google over a month ago. One thing I noticed is that the date like you see in the above example is gone, all wordpress websites seem to show a date. Now it only shows the meta description.

        What do you think it means?
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        • Profile picture of the author GlobalTrader
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Remove the date from your WP-theme.

          Done...
          How do you remove a non-existent date from an HTML site that does not have a standard template or theme?
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        • Profile picture of the author Spartacus
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Remove the date from your WP-theme.

          Done...
          I didn't ask how I could remove it since I know how to do that

          My site used to show it as well, but after that drop in Google it's gone. Which I think is no coincident.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Google does like fresh content, if you have been ranking for a competitive term, and you stop for a while, don't be surprised if you can still see your site, but no longer for the term/s
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    • Profile picture of the author Isaan
      Hello ElectronPlumber,

      Since a few days I see in my Google Webmaster Tools Account under the Crawl Errors: 22 pages linked to mydomain.com/author (Detail 404 Not Found)

      I cannot find these links in Wordpress.

      When I look online in the source code I see the link but this link is not visible on the page and I don't know where to delete the link.

      Maybe there is something wrong in the settings in Wordpress but I really don't know.

      Can you maybe help me.

      If you need more info, please let me know.


      Your help is very welcome,

      Isaan
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      • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
        Originally Posted by Isaan View Post

        Hello ElectronPlumber,

        Since a few days I see in my Google Webmaster Tools Account under the Crawl Errors: 22 pages linked to mydomain.com/author (Detail 404 Not Found)

        I cannot find these links in Wordpress.

        When I look online in the source code I see the link but this link is not visible on the page and I don't know where to delete the link.

        Maybe there is something wrong in the settings in Wordpress but I really don't know.

        Can you maybe help me.

        If you need more info, please let me know.


        Your help is very welcome,

        Isaan
        Isaan, I wouldn't worry about it. That means that at one point you had links Google could see to your /authors page that are now gone. It's a meaningless error really.

        Are you having a specific problem that you are trying to solve and thought that error might be the issue?
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        • Profile picture of the author Isaan
          Hello Electron Plumber,


          Thanks for your reply and taking away my worry about this.

          One of my websites I did setup in February 2011 sunk last week.
          I made the following changes in the last two weeks:

          - I added two Clickbank Hoplink Add Blocks
          - I made one keyword bold and one italic in the beginning of all posts
          - I added internal links by adding a related products section at the of
          six of my posts.

          Before I had about 60 to 80 visitors a day and since last Friday 0 to 2.

          I also heard about the "Google Dance" for relative new websites. People adviced me to wait and see what will happen the coming week. If nothing is changed after a week, then I should delete my latest changes.

          I really would like to know your opinion about this.

          Thank you very much for your time and useful help.


          Isaan
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          • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
            Originally Posted by Isaan View Post

            Hello Electron Plumber,


            Thanks for your reply and taking away my worry about this.

            One of my websites I did setup in February 2011 sunk last week.
            I made the following changes in the last two weeks:

            - I added two Clickbank Hoplink Add Blocks
            - I made one keyword bold and one italic in the beginning of all posts
            - I added internal links by adding a related products section at the of
            six of my posts.

            Before I had about 60 to 80 visitors a day and since last Friday 0 to 2.

            I also heard about the "Google Dance" for relative new websites. People adviced me to wait and see what will happen the coming week. If nothing is changed after a week, then I should delete my latest changes.

            I really would like to know your opinion about this.

            Thank you very much for your time and useful help.


            Isaan
            I would undo whatever you did in the last two weeks and see if it comes back. That and continue normal non-automated link building.

            Once it comes back where you expected it to, only make very small changes every few weeks so you can better see the effects they have. After 4-6 months of that you'll have a much better feel for what types of changes work and what don't.
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  • Profile picture of the author nandu26
    i added a review of a software with clickbank links and google deindexed the site. I think google hates clickbank
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  • Profile picture of the author mygadgetreview
    so many thanks for you,Electron Plumber..I've experienced two times having my sites deindexed..and many times my sites were sandboxed..your FAQ is very helpful,..Thanks..
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    • Profile picture of the author Tizzko
      I did not know that buying blogroll links would hurt you.
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  • Profile picture of the author wwtmarketman
    hello Electronplumber,

    I also build affiliate sites, however, once they rank decent and start converting they vanish and do not rank anymore for my keywords...Not sure what is going on. been reading your postings and must say they are very informative..

    I am going to pm you my some of my site url's if you could please check them out I would really appreciate your advise.

    thanks.
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    Sorry it seems I cannot pm you can you shoot me a message so that I can respond back to you
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  • Profile picture of the author marcus passey
    How are ya?

    Great info my friend,

    Just wondered if you could put my mind at rest..

    My site was sitting at the top of google for 3 months..

    Stupidly I decided to add some more content to my ranking post to make it over 500 words..

    Three days later my post is on page 6..

    Have I just received a google slap?

    Im just putting up fresh content and building links wil that get me back?

    Hope you can put my mind at rest pal would really appreciate it

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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by marcus passey View Post

      How are ya?

      Great info my friend,

      Just wondered if you could put my mind at rest..

      My site was sitting at the top of google for 3 months..

      Stupidly I decided to add some more content to my ranking post to make it over 500 words..

      Three days later my post is on page 6..

      Have I just received a google slap?

      Im just putting up fresh content and building links wil that get me back?

      Hope you can put my mind at rest pal would really appreciate it

      Marcus Passey
      Marcus, I took a look at your site. My opinion is you have two problems:

      1) That little flash advertisement that appears in the corner with the woman undressing. That's porn. Google doesn't like to show porn for non-porn related searches.

      2) Your main home page is just WAAAAAAAAAY too long. Google can't quite figure out what keywords really count on that page and you are spreading yourself way too thin.

      My advice? Remove the porn, refocus your site. Put ONE post on the home page targeting your main keyword "blank blank australia" ONLY. Keep your other posts like you have them linked to on the side bar and start making backlinks to those individual posts as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaizenfer
    Hi ElectronPlumber
    4 of my sites are totally Deindexed from google, they are amazon sites, however many of the articles are written from elance people, there are some that are coming directly from amazon I tried to spun them. SO what do you think I can do? I forgot something I stop using a plugin call wpunique (basically convert text in computer language) I am positive is one of the problems too or just coincidence.

    I will appreciate your feedback
    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by kaizenfer View Post

      Hi ElectronPlumber
      4 of my sites are totally Deindexed from google, they are amazon sites, however many of the articles are written from elance people, there are some that are coming directly from amazon I tried to spun them. SO what do you think I can do? I forgot something I stop using a plugin call wpunique (basically convert text in computer language) I am positive is one of the problems too or just coincidence.

      I will appreciate your feedback
      Thank you
      Kaizenfer
      Kaizenfer, by totally deindexed from google do you mean that they don't even show up for a site:whatevermysitenameis.com search? That's usually a pretty bad sign that you did something very wrong. How have you been backlinking those sites? Do you do any autoblogging on them that might had bad or malware links included?

      There are so many possibilities, it's really hard to tell without seeing one of the sites. Can you post one of them?
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      • Profile picture of the author kaizenfer
        I tried site: command and nothing. the same with market samurai
        A few amazon products/review using an amazon plugin very popular in this forum (I deleted this reviews), after that all of article/reviews were done for people that I hire.

        one of the sites is www(dot)best-cordlessdrill.com

        Thank you
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        • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
          Originally Posted by kaizenfer View Post

          I tried site: command and nothing. the same with market samurai
          A few amazon products/review using an amazon plugin very popular in this forum (I deleted this reviews), after that all of article/reviews were done for people that I hire.

          one of the sites is www(dot)best-cordlessdrill.com

          Thank you
          Kaizenfer, hate to say it, but you've probably already killed that site with that amazon plugin. Google hates eBay and Amazon scraper sites that just repost product descriptions and reviews and that is likely what got your site deindexed. I've seen it time and time again. Scrape content from Amazon and even if it's only a small percentage of your content, Google will remove you.

          The fact that you have removed them *might* bring it back but I certainly wouldn't count on it.. If I were you I would start over with a new URL and use only that unique content that you had someone write for you. Once that starts to rank a little, you can redirect the old deindexed site to the new one and you'll get some credit for those links you built.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mgriff
            Electron Plumber,
            Thank you for this thread and all of your helpful replies, I am desperate for some help with my network of sites. About 1 month ago ALL (about 15) of my sites (except 1) received about a -40 or -50 penalty. These are sites that have been holding steady on page 1-2 for approx. 2 years.

            As far as I know, I didn't do anything new or different with these sites to cause the penalty (maybe a wordpress upgrade). They are all still indexed, but I am guessing that the algorithm is picking up on something within the sites which is causing the penalty.

            Here is a link to one of the best sites. www(dot)wheretobuychi.com
            Here is one more: www(dot)resurrectingthechamp.com

            This has totally destroyed my income and I just can't figure out what the problem might be. I would really appreciate it if you could take a look at it and let me know if you see any problems that may cause a penalty.
            Thank you so much.
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            • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
              Originally Posted by Mgriff View Post

              Electron Plumber,
              Thank you for this thread and all of your helpful replies, I am desperate for some help with my network of sites. About 1 month ago ALL (about 15) of my sites (except 1) received about a -40 or -50 penalty. These are sites that have been holding steady on page 1-2 for approx. 2 years.

              As far as I know, I didn't do anything new or different with these sites to cause the penalty (maybe a wordpress upgrade). They are all still indexed, but I am guessing that the algorithm is picking up on something within the sites which is causing the penalty.

              Here is a link to one of the best sites. www(dot)wheretobuychi.com
              Here is one more: www(dot)resurrectingthechamp.com

              This has totally destroyed my income and I just can't figure out what the problem might be. I would really appreciate it if you could take a look at it and let me know if you see any problems that may cause a penalty.
              Thank you so much.
              Mgriff, I looked at those sites as well as about 10 others of yours that I could find through your backlink profile.

              It appears that your backlinking strategy is junk spam keyword stuffed comment links, and it appears that Google has caught up with you all at once. Chances are all your sites are part of an algorithmic penalty, not a broad manual action.

              1) Diversify your keyword backlink text profile. You need non-keyword stuffed backlinks to your sites, as well as other related keywords. Google has determined that you are a keyword stuffed backlink spammer and rightly so. I STRONGLY suspect this is your #1 biggest problem. Check out my experiment on backlinking and sandboxing on my site (check my sig) or find the thread here on WF for suggestions.
              2) Get real links. Stop with the comment spam. Write articles, guest blog, use a backlinking service, anything to get a more diverse source of backlinks!
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              • Profile picture of the author Mgriff
                Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

                Mgriff, I looked at those sites as well as about 10 others of yours that I could find through your backlink profile.

                It appears that your backlinking strategy is junk spam keyword stuffed comment links, and it appears that Google has caught up with you all at once. Chances are all your sites are part of an algorithmic penalty, not a broad manual action.

                1) Diversify your keyword backlink text profile. You need non-keyword stuffed backlinks to your sites, as well as other related keywords. Google has determined that you are a keyword stuffed backlink spammer and rightly so. I STRONGLY suspect this is your #1 biggest problem. Check out my experiment on backlinking and sandboxing on my site (check my sig) or find the thread here on WF for suggestions.
                2) Get real links. Stop with the comment spam. Write articles, guest blog, use a backlinking service, anything to get a more diverse source of backlinks!
                Thank you so much for taking the time to look at them and yes it makes total sense.

                Unfortunately, most of those links were built a couple of years ago when that type of link-building was popular and I was also a newbie!

                When you say "use a backlinking service", what type of service are you referring to? I will definitely vary my anchor text now, but what type of service could I use that wont be considered junk links?

                Also, what do you think the chances are that I could get some of these sites back if I start building some quality links? Just wondering if its even worth the time and money to try and fix them.

                Thanks again for your help...
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              • Profile picture of the author cookie1979
                Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

                Mgriff, I looked at those sites as well as about 10 others of yours that I could find through your backlink profile.

                It appears that your backlinking strategy is junk spam keyword stuffed comment links, and it appears that Google has caught up with you all at once. Chances are all your sites are part of an algorithmic penalty, not a broad manual action.

                1) Diversify your keyword backlink text profile. You need non-keyword stuffed backlinks to your sites, as well as other related keywords. Google has determined that you are a keyword stuffed backlink spammer and rightly so. I STRONGLY suspect this is your #1 biggest problem. Check out my experiment on backlinking and sandboxing on my site (check my sig) or find the thread here on WF for suggestions.
                2) Get real links. Stop with the comment spam. Write articles, guest blog, use a backlinking service, anything to get a more diverse source of backlinks!
                Are you still around mate? love the thread an could do with some insight on my site if you have the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author jsmith2482
    Going to post my site for your review EP. I went from abut 3,000 viewers per day down to 500 and can't figure out why. I've changes blog themes a few times in the past with NO change in traffic and no change in "aged" links. I started using 1WL a week or so ago and now the keyword that I used for backlinks( I spun the anchor text) is gone from page 1 and my site has lost a tremendous amount of traffic.

    http://www.jimmysmithtraining.com

    Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author fergusfish
    Hi
    My site's URL is: naturalgasgenerators(dot)org
    This site and another 20 odd such as businesstravelagencies(dot)org have been deindexed in the last week or two - I have no idea why and have read the quality gudelines
    Can anyone suggest what might be the problem. Site has been around 30 months with no previous problems
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  • Profile picture of the author Nico987
    Hi Electron Plumber, thanks for a great article!! I created my site: freemoviesonlinenodownloads (.) com /wordpress/
    10 days ago and at the beginning it was on page 12, now it dissapeared of google.
    My site sunk. I am new at this and I want to know what can I do to have a better rank on google.
    Thanks for all!
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    I would like to get your opinions on my client's dutch site: supplementen-voor-afvallen (dot) nl . It has been on number 5-6 for about 2 months now, and suddenly today, it is nowhere to be found. I have checked, we are not deindexed nor penalized.

    We are consistently building backlinks and adding couple of new articles a week. And i cannot find any other reason for it being 'sunk'. From what i read, just continue doing backlinks and it will bounce back - is this correct?

    I hope somebody can take a look at the site and see what seems to be wrong.

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author jameliberal
    Oh,I had lost everything.I am starting hate word "panda"I am happy to know panda is going to be disappeared .The guys working to save panda generation must taste the hell of Jesus.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    Interesting read Electron. I have a rather, what appears to be, complex issue with one of my affiliate sites that I can't seem to get my head around. The site was ranking very well, in the top 5 for its keyword then dissapeared from the rankings for a few weeks, only to re-appear on page 3. Since then it has stayed at the bottom of page 3 since.

    The site does rank for its name, however does not rank for any of the sentences on the site - for example copy any portion of text and slap it in Google.com - it simply doesn't rank. There is some form of algorithmic penalty going on here and I'm actually at a point where I don't have a clue what may be causing it. Some insight from yourself and others would be interesting to read.

    For a while I strongly suspected it was due to poor anchor text variation however after building lots of different anchor text backlinks, nothing has changed. Many of the said backlinks won't be found by a backlink checker tool.

    The keyword is "JVC KW-XR810" and "JVC KW-XR810 review", the site no longer rank anywhere in the top 250 for the latter. Note that it was ranking fine before this penalty hit, or whatever it may be. If you look at the backlinks you won't see any of the article directory or pr 2.0 links, for whatever reason.

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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      Interesting read Electron. I have a rather, what appears to be, complex issue with one of my affiliate sites that I can't seem to get my head around. The site was ranking very well, in the top 5 for its keyword then dissapeared from the rankings for a few weeks, only to re-appear on page 3. Since then it has stayed at the bottom of page 3 since.

      The site does rank for its name, however does not rank for any of the sentences on the site - for example copy any portion of text and slap it in Google.com - it simply doesn't rank. There is some form of algorithmic penalty going on here and I'm actually at a point where I don't have a clue what may be causing it. Some insight from yourself and others would be interesting to read.

      For a while I strongly suspected it was due to poor anchor text variation however after building lots of different anchor text backlinks, nothing has changed. Many of the said backlinks won't be found by a backlink checker tool.

      The keyword is "JVC KW-XR810" and "JVC KW-XR810 review", the site no longer rank anywhere in the top 250 for the latter. Note that it was ranking fine before this penalty hit, or whatever it may be. If you look at the backlinks you won't see any of the article directory or pr 2.0 links, for whatever reason.

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      Maverick, I'm 99% certain that penalty is due to keyword stuffing your backlinks. If your page is indexed (and it is) but it won't even show up in the first page when you directly search for it then you've got a keyword penalty.

      Are you really varying your backlink text, or are you slightly changing it thinking Google won't notice? You need 10-20% natural junk text for backlinks to avoid this type of penalty. Make links with text like "here" or "this site" or "on this page" or "this review", make links that are just direct "http://example.com" links with no keyword text, etc.

      Then you have to make sure Google is counting those links by making sure those pages or articles get indexed by backlinking them with some more random link text.

      Also, the fact that your top article is now buried three levels deep on your site isn't helping matters either. If that's your top article, make sure you link it directly off your home page.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

        Maverick, I'm 99% certain that penalty is due to keyword stuffing your backlinks. If your page is indexed (and it is) but it won't even show up in the first page when you directly search for it then you've got a keyword penalty.

        Are you really varying your backlink text, or are you slightly changing it thinking Google won't notice? You need 10-20% natural junk text for backlinks to avoid this type of penalty. Make links with text like "here" or "this site" or "on this page" or "this review", make links that are just direct "http://example.com" links with no keyword text, etc.

        Then you have to make sure Google is counting those links by making sure those pages or articles get indexed by backlinking them with some more random link text.

        Also, the fact that your top article is now buried three levels deep on your site isn't helping matters either. If that's your top article, make sure you link it directly off your home page.
        I've definitely varied the anchor text considerably since the penalty hit with the usual "click here", "more info" and URL anchor text, but nothing has changed much. All the backlinks are indexed too, that's the basics of SEO were talking about here :p

        It annoys me to see my competitor with all of the backlinks with the same keyword yet he's ranking fine. Oh Google, how I hate you!

        The backlink checkers seemingly don't like showing the other none keyword targeted links.

        One VERY strange thing has happened though; it has jumped from the abyss to 20th then to 10th (exactly) as back to 20th again. I find it strange that it's 'stuck' on multiples of 10.

        I also keep noticing the keyword tanks whenever I link to it from my authority site, then once I remove the backlink it goes back up to 20-50. Bloody Google

        Thanks for the reply dude, always good to have input from others.
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        • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
          Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

          I've definitely varied the anchor text considerably since the penalty hit with the usual "click here", "more info" and URL anchor text, but nothing has changed much. All the backlinks are indexed too, that's the basics of SEO were talking about here :p

          It annoys me to see my competitor with all of the backlinks with the same keyword yet he's ranking fine. Oh Google, how I hate you!

          The backlink checkers seemingly don't like showing the other none keyword targeted links.

          One VERY strange thing has happened though; it has jumped from the abyss to 20th then to 10th (exactly) as back to 20th again. I find it strange that it's 'stuck' on multiples of 10.

          I also keep noticing the keyword tanks whenever I link to it from my authority site, then once I remove the backlink it goes back up to 20-50. Bloody Google

          Thanks for the reply dude, always good to have input from others.
          Depending on how many links you've submitted in the past it might take a long time to adjust your link profile. If you've got 2000 spun article links out there, it'll take 200+ generic links to do it. If you've ever done any profile link blasting, you might need far more even if neither Google or Yahoo reports them in a backlink check. Make sure you have a lot of non-keyword links out there too, not just "here" and "this" type links. A natural link profile with have lots of these. Basically link with your direct full URL as the keyword.

          Is your authority site on the same IP as the site you are linking to by any chance? Anything else that links those two sites in Google's eyes, such as Analytics?

          Remember, Google spends a LOT of time looking at spam and junk site for patterns and adjusting their algorithms to filter out as many as possible based on those patterns.

          A quick glance at your page shows me the following spam red flags:
          1) You have six links out to Amazon on that one page. And no other outlinks.
          2) You have a keyword stuffed link on the page pointing back itself.
          3) Your keyword density is too high. You use that same exact keyword 12 times in the article.
          4) Your about page has only one word on it.
          5) You are using Google Analytics on that page. You are basically publishing your bounce rate and where your traffic comes from to Google. You are showing their algorithm that your site receives 99% of it's visitors from Google and most of them bounce.

          Again, don't take this the wrong way. You have to think like a Google engineer programming their algorithm to find spam and remove it. That page screams SEO spam for the reasons above and they've dropped you because you went over some given threshold for more than one of those items.
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  • Profile picture of the author peterlaz
    I host all my sites on a VPS server. Each site has its own unique IP address. I linked one of my 3 year old established site (A) to a brand new site (B) of mine which is in a related nice. Both sites are hosted on the same VPS server but different IP addresses.

    Now Site A traffic has dropped from 1000 per day to 100, and site B has been de-index. Is linking one's own site to another not acceptable to Google?

    I am running adsense on both sides. Could it be a problem caused by adsense - an explanation given by someone is that Google might be thinking I am gaming the system to get more adsense revenue.

    I will appreciate some insight to what happened.

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  • Profile picture of the author Wasatchmax
    Thanks for such a great post! I have a few questions regarding my own site.

    My site is Snowskisale.com

    My site is nearly two years old (wordpress site), and has ranked fairly well for select keywords. However, beginning a few months ago something strange started to happen. I was using a home title tag that read Cheap Ski Gear, Ski Wear & Used Skis at the Snow Ski Sale. For a while this went just fine, and life was good. Then one day I found that Google was no longer using this title tag, but instead just "Snow Ski Sale". A few days later, I lost all my ranking. About a week went by, and then Google began showing the correct title tag again, and within a few days, my rankings returned. This cycle went on for about two months. Up down, up down... I spent lots of time digging around webmaster tools and found no issues. I then posted in the WMT forum and got some great feed back, but nothing that solved the problem. I have several other sites, and only one was having a similar issue. Then, I found that if I put the site name first in the title tag, Google would use the correct title. So now I have Snow Ski Sale: Cheap Ski Gear, Ski Wear & Used Skis, and it seems to be stable. However, it has now been almost a month and my ranking has not returned.

    Also worth noting, in late July I switched to BMR from PostRunner. Also, while Google was showing my incorrect title tag a "site:snowskisale.com" search showed the correct titles. All of my pages are still indexed and have been the whole time. I am curious if it has something to do with varying my anchor text. I have used several variations of my anchors, but have only recently started using "click here" "website", etc... Over the past few days I have also started adding more content to my pages (previously they only had about 75-150 words of copy at the top). Also wondering, could this be a technical issue?

    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    one of my sites was deindexed.... i THINK because it had a squeeze page as the homepage....

    Google webmaster tools, after a reconsideration request said (in their generic reply) site violates quality guidelines.

    which is weird because i have a blog on the site, its just not the homepage.

    i THINK it got a manual review because of the update on aug 12th.... it probably got hit, triggered a review and i got deindexed...

    only thing i can think of.

    uuuuugh.
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  • Profile picture of the author simonbuzz
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    nice FAQ this post will answer most of the common question so newbies should read this post before starting a thread about their site getting DE-indexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author mkl3377
    Hi Electron Plumber,

    This is just a great post. Thanks for taking the time to start this thread to help out those less skilled in SEO.

    I have a few sites that I cannot figure out. one of them is Superhero site
    This site got as high as #7 on page 1. A few months back it took a dump and I cant pin down what I did that may have caused it to do so.

    I've gone through the first few test to check if deindexed and did the site search and I can find it on the top spot(well, for me anyways) when I search for the domain name with and with out quotes and with and with out the "www". But when I search for the KW superhero halloween costumes it does not show up and a couple of my post actually are spreadout accross the 100-300 spots.

    So would you mind taking a look at the site cuz you can probably see something I cant. (being that it's my site I think it's perfect..hehe) Maybe with your help I can finally figure out how to get it back up.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by mkl3377 View Post

      Hi Electron Plumber,

      This is just a great post. Thanks for taking the time to start this thread to help out those less skilled in SEO.

      I have a few sites that I cannot figure out. one of them is Superhero site
      This site got as high as #7 on page 1. A few months back it took a dump and I cant pin down what I did that may have caused it to do so.

      I've gone through the first few test to check if deindexed and did the site search and I can find it on the top spot(well, for me anyways) when I search for the domain name with and with out quotes and with and with out the "www". But when I search for the KW superhero halloween costumes it does not show up and a couple of my post actually are spreadout accross the 100-300 spots.

      So would you mind taking a look at the site cuz you can probably see something I cant. (being that it's my site I think it's perfect..hehe) Maybe with your help I can finally figure out how to get it back up.

      Thanks
      I love it when people ask why their site has fallen and have a sig message selling links or SEO services.

      mkl3377, you have a number of issues with that site. Luckily it appears to be neither deindexed or penalized (yet) so that's good. Your two biggest issues:

      1) Loss of backlinks and lack of backlinks. You don't have enough decent backlinks for that site. You have a ton of junk blog comment links on pages that have 500 other links on them and you're lost in the noise. Check your Yahoo backlink profile. The largest and best site that I could find on there (a PR5 site!) that was half your reported backlinks no longer has your link on it's pages:
      Site Explorer - Search Results
      2) Too many links on your homepage. You have 79 internal links and 35 external links on your homepage, half of which are nofollow! You are basically throwing over half your link juice into a bottomless pit.

      Note that both of these items are already included in the FAQ. Go read it again and take your time this time.
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      • Profile picture of the author mkl3377
        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

        I love it when people ask why their site has fallen and have a sig message selling links or SEO services.
        First off, I do not sell links nor SEO services. Just because I like a service and think it might be beneficial to me and others (and I may be wrong) and link to it doesnt mean it's mine. Please get your facts straight before you start making assumptions. Yes I'm a little agitated because I hate it when others misrepresent themeslves like like so I dont appreciate it when I'm accused of it

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        Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post


        1) Loss of backlinks and lack of backlinks. You don't have enough decent backlinks for that site. You have a ton of junk blog comment links on pages that have 500 other links on them and you're lost in the noise. Check your Yahoo backlink profile. The largest and best site that I could find on there (a PR5 site!) that was half your reported backlinks no longer has your link on it's pages:
        Site Explorer - Search Results
        2) Too many links on your homepage. You have 79 internal links and 35 external links on your homepage, half of which are nofollow! You are basically throwing over half your link juice into a bottomless pit.

        Note that both of these items are already included in the FAQ. Go read it again and take your time this time.
        Thanks for taking time to give your insight. I will revisit the FAQ and see if I can follow it more closely and make the necessary adjustments. It's a wealth of info in there and it's easy for one to miss the details. It's nice of you to put it up.
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        • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
          Originally Posted by mkl3377 View Post

          First off, I do not sell links nor SEO services. Just because I like a service and think it might be beneficial to me and others (and I may be wrong) and link to it doesnt mean it's mine. Please get your facts straight before you start making assumptions. Yes I'm a little agitated because I hate it when others misrepresent themeslves like like so I dont appreciate it when I'm accused of it.
          Well mkl3377, posting affiliate links are against the rules here on the Warrior Forum, in your sig or otherwise. In fact it's rule #1:
          New members - Please read this!

          Apologies for not having my "facts straight". I assumed it was your own service since otherwise you are violating the rules and likely to have the links removed and possibly your account banned.
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          • Profile picture of the author mkl3377
            Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

            Well mkl3377, posting affiliate links are against the rules here on the Warrior Forum, in your sig or otherwise. In fact it's rule #1:
            New members - Please read this!

            Apologies for not having my "facts straight". I assumed it was your own service since otherwise you are violating the rules and likely to have the links removed and possibly your account banned.
            Aiyaiayai!!! My bad,.Again, one of the many many details to be remembered being online. Saw some stragglers do it thought it was ok. Mistake corrected. THX...
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  • Profile picture of the author rafiseo
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    Hey I have a relevant question.

    My question is can a deindexed backlink pass link juice?

    Suppose my backlink has been indexed by google. Then I have blasted 10000 forum profiles using xrmer. Then google deindexed the backlink as a penalty for link blast. So the question is will the tier-1 link still pass link juice from 10000 forum post? Or as the link is deindexed so the link juice will not pass to my moneypage anymore?
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by rafiseo View Post

      Hey I have a relevant question.

      My question is can a deindexed backlink pass link juice?

      Suppose my backlink has been indexed by google. Then I have blasted 10000 forum profiles using xrmer. Then google deindexed the backlink as a penalty for link blast. So the question is will the tier-1 link still pass link juice from 10000 forum post? Or as the link is deindexed so the link juice will not pass to my moneypage anymore?
      Rafiseo,
      While I have never performed or seen an experiment done with deindexed pages specifically, I suspect that if they do pass link juice it's not much. Most profile links never get indexed, but people see some results from them anyway.

      So it's either that deindexed pages don't pass link juice and when you do 10000 profiles only maybe a few hundred get indexed and that's what works. Or non-indexed pages pass only a fractional amount of link juice.

      Either way, it's probably not worth spending much time on.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrehan
        Hi Electron Plumber

        I started my 1st and only site in the weight loss niche in June 2010. Since i was learning (and still am) about SEO I did things which in hindsight would not do now. Anyway it did rank for a couple of weeks in Aug '10, Nov'10 , Feb '11 and finally after the Panda update was ranking for 2 months from June '11 - Aug '11. During this jun - Aug period , I became a little greedy and started optimizing for on page seo and changed or added some H2 and H3 tags. Also remove/changed some in text links. After reading your thread assumed that my site would have sunk in Aug'11 due to the on page changes. Now I have changed my site back to the way it was before June '11. Four days have passed till today, but no change in ranking. How long do you think if I should see any results if in fact my site sunk due to the on page factors. I do prefer the site after I changed it (during Jun - Aug '11) it as it is better optimized than previously.

        P.S - It is a 30 page site and some non competitive KWs still ranking on 1st page of Google . There has been no change of the ranking on Bing and Yahoo and most of the KWs are on page 1.

        Your thoughts please.....
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        • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
          Originally Posted by mrehan View Post

          Hi Electron Plumber

          I started my 1st and only site in the weight loss niche in June 2010. Since i was learning (and still am) about SEO I did things which in hindsight would not do now. Anyway it did rank for a couple of weeks in Aug '10, Nov'10 , Feb '11 and finally after the Panda update was ranking for 2 months from June '11 - Aug '11. During this jun - Aug period , I became a little greedy and started optimizing for on page seo and changed or added some H2 and H3 tags. Also remove/changed some in text links. After reading your thread assumed that my site would have sunk in Aug'11 due to the on page changes. Now I have changed my site back to the way it was before June '11. Four days have passed till today, but no change in ranking. How long do you think if I should see any results if in fact my site sunk due to the on page factors. I do prefer the site after I changed it (during Jun - Aug '11) it as it is better optimized than previously.

          P.S - It is a 30 page site and some non competitive KWs still ranking on 1st page of Google . There has been no change of the ranking on Bing and Yahoo and most of the KWs are on page 1.

          Your thoughts please.....
          It's super hard to say without looking at your site and knowing if you've been penalized or not. Run the tests in the FAQ to see if you are deindexed or penalized and report back. You could be chasing shadows by making on page changes.
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          • Profile picture of the author mrehan
            Originally Posted by ElectronPlumber View Post

            It's super hard to say without looking at your site and knowing if you've been penalized or not. Run the tests in the FAQ to see if you are deindexed or penalized and report back. You could be chasing shadows by making on page changes.

            I did the check. Non of the pages are de-indexed. 3 pages are still on 1st page of google (low competition). Earlier these pages were ranking for many long tail key words but after the site dropped ranking it is now showing on 1st page only for its main keyword. Another 2 pages are sunk showing on 4 and 5th pages of google.
            And the rest of the pages are not visible in the top 100. but are not penalized as they are the 1st results when performing the penalized test.

            I was/am building backlinks thru UAW from Feb- Apr '11 and on MAN from May -Sep '11.
            So what do you think?

            And should I continue with the original on page seo (which I reverted back to a few days ago) or revert back to the optimized on page seo which I did in June.
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  • Profile picture of the author Blog 7Health
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberadi
    May i have new site with couple of pages and only spinned articles backlinks submitted by plugin, for a couple of first weeks, to only test how my site is ranked in serps and after that to make efforts for really quality SEO?
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberadi
    I mean does the articles submitters good for new sites?
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    and it will not be penalized by G?
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  • Profile picture of the author peterlaz
    Is it safe to use Google Webmaster Tools? Surely they can find out all the sites you own from GWT. Google just don't like affiliate sites. They like the big boys.

    If yours is an affiliate site, don't bother to request a re-consideration. It will never be considered. Why would they? Their stated mission seems to create an environment where affiliate will live in fear that their sites could be penalized or de-indexed anytime.

    They don't have the means to implement their quality guidelines. Just look at the crap sites they show in the SERPs. Quality sites get penalized while crap sites appear high in the SERPs. Even if you have 100 percent original content but if you are an affiliate the sword of Damocles will drop on your head anytime. Make no mistake about it.

    With all the Panda crap that we hear everyday, Google has no definite ways of ensuring a site confirms to their so called "quality guidelines". So they use the fear of intimidation to keep publishers online.

    It seems to rank high your site must please Google not your readers! It is just a matter of time before the sword drops on your head for the filmiest reasons. Just move on!
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  • Profile picture of the author housewarrior
    I had a very important site to get de-indexed. It was like a kick in the guts, or getting fired. Let me tell you. I knew I was a little iffy on some things....and not big things. Well, somehow, some way, after 10 years they found me out.

    I fixed what I suspected were the sticking points, and figgering I had nothing to lose asked for reconsideration. A few days later it was back. Nary a word from a human at Google did I hear.

    However, there is an important difference in getting sent to the back of the line and getting taken off.

    When you get sent to the closet, you fix what you think needs fixing, and if successful, everything comes back after awhile.

    But when they remove your site. It's gone gone doggies. When and if it comes back, you are looking at your index page. Period. Everything else must come back naturally. From scratch.

    The good news is that your other pages do come back...in time.

    The bad news is that forevermore you know you are under a microscope. Makes you want to throw up and quit.

    It's a sickening experience. For real and for true. It is amazing, this power that Google has over us.

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  • Profile picture of the author jgerych
    First of all thank you very much for starting a great thread and summarizing all the important information.

    I would be really glad if you could give me some advice. I started 3 different relationship niches and they all ranked quite well considering the effort and time invested into creating backlinks. The sites are about 8 months old. I targeted mainly low competition keywords and had some 1st places.

    Maybe two months ago all of my niches disappeared from Google. They do not seem to be deindexed or penalized (I tried what you wrote and Google is still indexing all of the pages). But when I ran Traffictravis to find out if I got sunk, it shows zero everywhere. So, I am either not there or at >50. place. The sites are almost gone from yahoo etc. as well, but not completely, however I do not know how well they ranked before, if at all.

    What do you think might be happening? My thoughts are that it can be caused by the web page itself rather than the backlinks, I created nearly all of them manually at article directories - ezine etc. No mass spamming and the articles were at least spun and corrected to make sense, never 100% duplicate content.

    The 3 niches have different content, are targeted for different keywords but have exactly the same layout. Two of them were still worked on until recently, so they had some duplicate content (some of the subpages on the domain twice). The third one appears to be alright but has disappeared from Google as well.

    I wanted to post the URL but I can't because of post count, I'd PM you if you (or someone) is kind enough to help.
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    • Profile picture of the author ElectronPlumber
      Originally Posted by jgerych View Post

      First of all thank you very much for starting a great thread and summarizing all the important information.

      I would be really glad if you could give me some advice. I started 3 different relationship niches and they all ranked quite well considering the effort and time invested into creating backlinks. The sites are about 8 months old. I targeted mainly low competition keywords and had some 1st places.

      Maybe two months ago all of my niches disappeared from Google. They do not seem to be deindexed or penalized (I tried what you wrote and Google is still indexing all of the pages). But when I ran Traffictravis to find out if I got sunk, it shows zero everywhere. So, I am either not there or at >50. place. The sites are almost gone from yahoo etc. as well, but not completely, however I do not know how well they ranked before, if at all.

      What do you think might be happening? My thoughts are that it can be caused by the web page itself rather than the backlinks, I created nearly all of them manually at article directories - ezine etc. No mass spamming and the articles were at least spun and corrected to make sense, never 100% duplicate content.

      The 3 niches have different content, are targeted for different keywords but have exactly the same layout. Two of them were still worked on until recently, so they had some duplicate content (some of the subpages on the domain twice). The third one appears to be alright but has disappeared from Google as well.

      I wanted to post the URL but I can't because of post count, I'd PM you if you (or someone) is kind enough to help.
      Go very carefully though the last section of the FAQ, the Sunk part. Then if you think you're doing everything on there right (lots of fresh backlinks from diverse high value pages, good keyword targeting, no site errors, etc.) then post the site here. Doesn't need to be a link, just spell it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author haiyaiya
    I had so many questions about google but you took care of all of them in your FAQ.

    Thanks ElectronPlumber!
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  • Profile picture of the author zatarim
    Hi,

    I read your post here at warriar forums -Google Thread- my site: freespywareremovaltools.com get deindexed 1 month ago the only page remain indexed is the site map please check on google

    i remeber i upload before 2weeks from deindexing a wordpress plugin and set it to submit 3000 blog comments.

    for the site it have 3 pages -article pages- are original.

    what should i do regard this site is should i send a reconsideration or should i do sth before

    please help me

    and thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author usearchme2
      Originally Posted by zatarim View Post

      Hi,

      I read your post here at warriar forums -Google Thread- my site: freespywareremovaltools.com get deindexed 1 month ago the only page remain indexed is the site map please check on google

      i remeber i upload before 2weeks from deindexing a wordpress plugin and set it to submit 3000 blog comments.

      for the site it have 3 pages -article pages- are original.

      what should i do regard this site is should i send a reconsideration or should i do sth before

      please help me

      and thanks
      your sites very poor quality

      you might want to check how many times you mention the words

      free spyware removal

      on just one page of your site !!!!

      Woc
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    • Profile picture of the author Webwolf
      Thanks for the post. helped quite a bit to better understand how Google thinks...

      I lost some sleep over a site I took over a couple of weeks ago, because it shows as not indexed in Google webmaster tool, but when I tested it with the "Site: " seach in Google it actually showed 700+ pages ... the site also shows on page 2 in Google for the exact site name keyword...
      I have to do some more testing to see if it just needs more time to get all indexed in Google...

      But your post and the long thread helped

      thanks
      webwolf
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  • Profile picture of the author xaby
    thanks for the time for the posting. a few thoughts i have:

    1. too much links (unnatural) is this is true, then we can simply sabotage competitors. in fact its probably cheaper to sabotage than to build links for your own site. as such, i personally feel anything that you (or anyone) as a webmaster that you have no control of, will NOT affect your site negatively. i do not think there is such a thing as black hat at all. If any were to exist, then we should open a new forum here for this.

    2. robot.txt etc. Honestly speaking, google cannot assume everyone to be savvy. what if i were a college student who has some really excellent and original content to put online but im a total html noob? will google overlook my work? question to ponder.
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  • Profile picture of the author ingenyes
    is there a limit on the rate of backlinks you can add to your site before it becomes suspicious?
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  • Profile picture of the author Wasatchmax
    Hey El Plumber!

    Thanks for such a great post! I have a quick question that I hope you (or anyone) can help me out with. I have a handful of affiliate sites that were all ranking well until recently when they were all hit with a Google penalty. One of the sites was a personal skiing blog (virginiaskier.com). I made some changes that I thought might have been the issue, I deleted about 50 pages with affiliate links that made up a "ski shop" (used 301's), I could see that this was definitely creating a "thin affiliate" look. After making these changes and few others, I submitted a reconsideration request. Last night I receive notice that my site still did not meet the quality guidelines. I submitted a post to the help forum in WMT and was told that because most of my posts had videos/links this was probably being seen as a doorway page. I have nothing to gain from these videos clips and links other then I think my readership enjoys them, they are not affiliate links. Is this not what most bloggers do, grab interesting content from other places on the web and write about it, and add a photo, video or link to it?
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    • Profile picture of the author keyon
      Originally Posted by chrislangley View Post

      ...joining Google Webmaster Tools will ease that worry
      I'm not so sure that joining Google Webmaster Tools necessarily eases worry. I've been following threads like this for some time now, and I've come to the conclusion that GWT does more to create needless worry than to relieve it.

      I suppose for site owners who knowingly participate in high-risk SEO strategies, GWT can be sort of a radar detector for monitoring possible ill effects of what they are doing. That makes sense. But for the rest of us, who adhere to Google's quality guidelines (sort of by default because that's how we've been building sites for years anyway) GWT data can confuse and mislead us into doing things that we probably shouldn't do -- like frantically deleting pages that we "think" Google doesn't like, changing title tags, descriptions, and content that we "think" Google might object to, and submitting requests for reconsideration for sites that have NOT been deindexed or penalized.
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      • Profile picture of the author edumonsters
        Originally Posted by keyon View Post

        I'm not so sure that joining Google Webmaster Tools necessarily eases worry. I've been following threads like this for some time now, and I've come to the conclusion that GWT does more to create needless worry than to relieve it.

        ...But for the rest of us, who adhere to Google's quality guidelines (sort of by default because that's how we've been building sites for years anyway) GWT data can confuse and mislead us into doing things that we probably shouldn't do -- like frantically deleting pages that we "think" Google doesn't like, changing title tags, descriptions, and content that we "think" Google might object to, and submitting requests for reconsideration for sites that have NOT been deindexed or penalized.
        I think GWT helps because if you adhere to quality guidelines then it won't show much problems. These days description and keyword tags are obsolete. So, no need to use them. Using them is as good as not using them I think. And "Titles" are yet important and should be optimized.

        One more suggestion: Don't take GWT too seriously because most of the problems it shows are suggestions only and I don't think they will hurt you much. Never worry whether Google likes a page or not! Worry whether people (visitors) like it or not. I think you'll be more optimistic that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author dreadpiraterobby
    thanks electron plumber!! !! my site was 16 and then i abandoned linking efforts it is now no where to be found.. It's still indexed.... I started linking again do you think its possible that is the result of the penalty?
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  • Profile picture of the author edumonsters
    OMG! Tons of Info. My mind will be overflooded now. Thank you everyone for this contribution.

    It will help the newbies like me, to say the least.

    Thanks again!
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  • Profile picture of the author natewc
    Hi, electron. I just had 11 sites similar sites (amazon review sites) get deindexed. They are about six months old and all had google analytics on them. Some of them were on different hosting accounts also.

    They were all PR 3 & PR4 (a couple PR 2) home pages and inner pages. I wrote all the reviews myself or had someone else write them although one of the articles was a USA.

    An example site is Pilates Reformer Machine Reviews .

    Thanks,

    Nathan
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasOMalley
    Hi Electron,

    Great seo info. I have found it very helpful.

    I have just had my new site listed on Google and Bing for a local professional service. I am on pages 4 to 8 for my keywords.

    How long would it normally take to get to page one. My site is www.cobourg-porthopefamilylaw.com.

    Thanks for your help.

    Best,

    Thomas O'Malley
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    Thanks. Great info!
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    how does it work? I want to have a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jool
    We have a facebook site in which we are ranking #1 in most competitive keyword. Last friday, when I checked the ranking of the site, we're still in the page 1 but outrank in top 5 and one keyword was pushed from page 1 to page 8 in G search engine. Maybe its because of the purchasing of private blog network (blogroll and blogpost) from our DEAR service provider. but when we checked with our web development team and A/B testing team, we did a site wide redirect from another facebook site we had, and it was not done properly, leaving the blog live. We had links going to home page and links going to blog, so google was probably wondering what the heck we were doing with a half redirect.

    So now, another factor that comes out is because of not proper redirecting (meaning an ON page factor). What do you think guys? thanks for any help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruby Tyagi
    My few keywords are also gos down..great info...
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  • Profile picture of the author richard3i
    This is great info. How about 301 redirects from http to go to www of your main domain after links have already been built for the site?
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  • Profile picture of the author vitaminlondon
    Thanks, saves me hours trying to scrounge through Googles Support Center!

    Brilliant post
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  • Profile picture of the author vahn
    thanks for the post, i will make some changes to my website to prevent the deindex, penalized or sunk. i think google will always update their algorithm to wipe all the seo manipulation. in the future the content will be more important.

    fortunately, most of my website is not affected by google panda.
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  • Profile picture of the author richim1
    Thanks ElectronPlumber for the great post!
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  • Profile picture of the author jhauer
    Thank you, this was great info. Would you put what people call the Google "dance" in the category in the sunk category? I have a 2 1/2 year old site on which I had never done any real backlink strategies for. Until recently there were less than 100 linkbacks. I also had not always been consistent about regular posting. Sometimes very regular, sometimes not at all.

    I began regular posts (at least weekly, sometimes more). I also purchased a backlink package which seemed to be working magic. The slow steady increase in backlinks had me up to number 5 for a very important keyword. It also had me on page one for quite a few terms. I had previously never had much presence on page 1.

    All of a sudden, drop! All those results dropped to page 5, 6 or lower. Google Webmaster Tools still shows over 500 backlinks from 101 domians. They also show a drop in traffic that corresponds to the drop in ranking.

    One last question, can using a tool like Rankerizer get you penalized in ranking?

    Thanks again for a great reference.
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  • Profile picture of the author HighRanking999
    Great post, it solved many confusions I had in my mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesPenn
      Hi ElectronPlumber

      Thanks for an incredibly valuable thread. I'd like to share my issue in the hope that you might be able to offer a solution.

      On my health blog, I have a post titled The Top 10 Best Oils For Hair Growth. From that post I summarize each oil with a paragraph and then link to a full post discussing that oil in more detail.

      Take a look here:

      Top 10 Best Oils For Hair, Hair Growth & Hair Loss

      That page was riding high in Google for a number of months, and so were the ten posts about the specific oils.

      For example, my olive oil for hair growth post (Olive Oil For Hair & Hair Growth) was ranking #1 for the keyword "olive oil for hair growth" and #3 for "olive oil for hair" which gets about 25,000 combined monthly searches.

      Plus my almond oil for hair growth post (Almond Oil For Hair & Hair Growth) was ranking #1 for almond oil for hair which gets 3k monthly searches.

      Then all of a sudden my olive oil post took a dive in Google and wasn't ranking for any keywords. Then a week or so later my almond oil post did the same and so did the main 10 Best Oils post.

      The almond oil post has actually been bouncing around a little in the past few months. It returns for a few weeks and then disappears again.

      All the other posts in the series have decreased in rankings too.

      Here are a few possible explanations and I'm wondering if you could suggest the most likely or another one.

      1. All backlinks have been generated by guest posts so they are high quality, BUT each guest post uses pretty much the same anchor text. Would this be a problem?

      2. 80% of my link building efforts goes towards this series despite the fact it makes up just 5% of my total site content. Would Google see this as a problem and should I start diversifying what pages I drive links to?

      3. Since all backlinks are generated by guest posts, I include an author resource box which is virtually the same for each post. Can Google recognize this kind of like a "footprint" that shows the link building is not simply bloggers naturally linking, but instead me generating links?

      4. The 10 Best Oils Post has a lot of links to other posts on my site. It started with just 10, but as I've added more relevant posts I've added links from the 10 Best post because of its high traffic. Should I remove some of the internal links?

      I hope this post makes sense and I really appreciate any help you could offer.

      Thanks,
      James
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  • Profile picture of the author speedbird
    Thanks for sharing this great thread that explains in details how sites are indexed and de-indexed. I am sure it will really be helpfull to many warriors who really don't understand what goes behind the scenes when a site is deindexed.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by speedbird View Post

      Thanks for sharing this great thread that explains in details how sites are indexed and de-indexed. I am sure it will really be helpfull to many warriors who really don't understand what goes behind the scenes when a site is deindexed.
      It's even more amazing to see how many people start new topics about this each week because they aren't even reading in the right section of WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ramzy
    Hello Electronplumber,

    I would greatly appreciate if you could critique my website? It is www.jewelrybynorman.com

    Should I buy more backlinks? I'm worried about being penalized by google since my site is only 4 months old. Also would you recommend I add more articles on my site? Thank you for the help.
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  • Profile picture of the author longdouble
    Thanks alot. Great article.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by longdouble View Post

      Thanks alot. Great article.
      I'm sure the author appreciates your comments, what exactly did you like about it longdouble?
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  • Profile picture of the author DiamondLaneDesigns
    Great information, just when you think you know it all, you learn something new!
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  • Profile picture of the author MrLD
    Great post and thread... in fact I ended up pasting it on my word doc. so I can make it available for me and my staff.
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    Awesome post!
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    this information is very educative,, glad i came here and read it.
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    • Profile picture of the author AJsandy
      Hi ElectroPlumber, would you be so kind as to take a look at my website and let me know what I need to be done to get back to resonable Serps results.
      My website caravanholidaylets.co.uk ranked well untill 24th Apr then most keywords dropped like a brick. I also noticed that the website domian name got parked? Strange... I have now unparked it.

      I hope you can help on this as I dont have a clue with these things.
      Thanks Mary.
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      • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
        Originally Posted by AJsandy View Post

        Hi ElectroPlumber, would you be so kind as to take a look at my website and let me know what I need to be done to get back to resonable Serps results.
        My website caravanholidaylets.co.uk ranked well untill 24th Apr then most keywords dropped like a brick. I also noticed that the website domian name got parked? Strange... I have now unparked it.

        I hope you can help on this as I dont have a clue with these things.
        Thanks Mary.
        What keywords did it drop for? Most likely Google recognized that it was parked and no longer active so they dropped its rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author happygravity
    Cool post! Bookmarked.

    Cheers.
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    hai
    your post is very much usefull.. thanks
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    what a great and usefull post !
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    Good info!
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by toman View Post

      Good info!
      It would be great if you shared what info you thought was the best
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  • Profile picture of the author kismok
    Hi ElectronPlumber, and SEO colleagues. I'm in the same sh*t like you are...my site got sunk, nr of visitors dropped with 90%. Since I cannot send PM-s, would you be so kind to share your thougts about this here: allcoaststransport.com. What you think what's the real problem, and how could I bring back this site to the first page?
    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author rtysernd
    Thanks for sharing! Seems that I have some repairing to deal with.
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  • Profile picture of the author bchester
    Many of my blog deindex by penguin. Thank you for sharing, now I know what I should do.
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    Very useful post...thanks for sharing..
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    ElectronPlumber, this is very very helpful. Thanks a lot !!!
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  • Profile picture of the author alherabd
    Certainly the writer has mentioned an important topics like Google index. Moreover, the writer has mentioned about Google webmaster tools. There is no doubt that these information is very helpful for us. I was looking for such kind of information for so many days. So it is a great pleasure to me. Hopefully the writer will share more information related to Google webmaster tools or some others important topics.
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by alherabd View Post

      Certainly the writer has mentioned an important topics like Google index. Moreover, the writer has mentioned about Google webmaster tools. There is no doubt that these information is very helpful for us. I was looking for such kind of information for so many days. So it is a great pleasure to me. Hopefully the writer will share more information related to Google webmaster tools or some others important topics.
      There are plenty of other sticky threads in this section for you to get more info from as well
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    i really thank you for sharing this....
    this is a master class!!
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    Wow - what a fantastic post, Thanks for this electron

    Would love you analyze my site - if you have have time.

    Cheers again
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  • Profile picture of the author tyankee
    Good general comments at the beginning of this thread. My site was recently slapped by penguin. Ranked #1 for 'mustangs for sale' for 6 years and dropped to second page. #1 for 'mustang for sale' and dropped to 9th page. I'm guessing it's anchor text but of course it's just a guess. I've removed a lot of backlinks a month ago but haven't seen any changes so i'm stumped.


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    Woops.. My site is Classic Ford Mustangs For Sale or Trade at Mustang Trader Online Classified Ads.


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    i really thank you for sharing this....
    this is a master class!!
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    Thank you for sharing information
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  • Profile picture of the author SpiryMedia
    Hello and thanks for all the past advices for the others members .
    I have junkieporn.net that 2 months ago ranked on keyword "emo porn" on first page place between 3 and 5 now I am on 100-300 big probelm . if you search the keyword the first pages are some full of spam tubes full of popunders and stuff like that . What should I do friend ?

    these days I made a permlink change as competition seems to have on their platform instead of "site/year/post/" to "site/post/" with 301 redirects from old to new but still no increase , and I added the tags to appear on first pages under each post , before I had them remove ,now I tought maybe google needed more text.

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    hhm looks good
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    Thanks! Very helpful thread.
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      Originally Posted by charless View Post

      Thanks! Very helpful thread.
      Would be great to hear what your favorite part of it was
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    Thank You for the info
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    This is really a good information...
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    very informative..thanks!
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    This is a great post very informative..thanks! Plz Keep UP
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    thank you, ElectronPlumber
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    your navigation should be good if you want best ranks and visitors.
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    just now i read this.. very late.
    thx anyway.
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    this topic is very cool and nice for me, thanks for post.
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  • Profile picture of the author kumarvijay
    ya great article ,i appreciate your efforts ,lots of the sites are banned or sunk after panda algorithm
    your information will surely help those who are facing these kind of situations .really thanks for the post.
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    awesome article, adsense is a beast
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    Thanks, they are very useful information to protect yourself and be compliance to Google guidelines.
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