Disturbing Flippa Auction

TheKing

14 years ago

may be the product is getting good amount of sales

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Adie

14 years ago

Originally Posted by punjabi

may be the product is getting good amount of sales

LOL. He is asking for $800,000 for a domain that is not even listed in google search and I can register .net for $8.00. This guy must be dreaming... domain name is prosmokinglobby.com with nothing on the site..

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skibbz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

LOL. He is asking for $800,000 for a domain that is not even listed in google search and I can register .net for $8.00. This guy must be dreaming... domain name is prosmokinglobby.com with nothing on the site..

This guy must be living in a dream, The site must have
(1) A large amount of clients
(2) a proven track record of sales well beyond $800,000 within even a 5 year span for anyone to even consider it.

he must be playing around to seek attention...lol

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Myles Sinclair 14 years ago

I'm getting a warning from ZoneAlarm when trying to visit the site! I've attached a screenshot.
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- Adie 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Myles Sinclair
  
  I'm getting a warning from ZoneAlarm when trying to visit the site! I've attached a screenshot.
  
  The warning that you are getitng is from the redirection site. here is a direct link:
  https://flippa.com/auctions/123280/Pro-Smoking-Lobby
  
  LOL, zonealarm is tough...makes my connection so slow so I quit using it..
  
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Steve Forster

14 years ago

Living in a dream maybe... but I like dreams...even the unrealistic ones

. That said, I have had some interest in it. Nothing more than tire kicking I think but that's cool.

Originally Posted by skibbz

This guy must be living in a dream, The site must have
(1) A large amount of clients
(2) a proven track record of sales well beyond $800,000 within even a 5 year span for anyone to even consider it.

he must be playing around to seek attention...lol

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Kingston90

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

LOL. He is asking for $800,000 for a domain that is not even listed in google search and I can register .net for $8.00. This guy must be dreaming... domain name is prosmokinglobby.com with nothing on the site..

This post made my day!! hahahahahaha!!

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Steve Forster

14 years ago

Hi guys, I own this domain and tbh am pretty surprised at most of the comments. I didn't realise it would raise the hackles so much and the abuse I've copped for posting it has been pretty amazing. Definitely an eye opener. But I'll keep my manners in.

It's actually a genuine auction/sale and here's the situation. When you list a sale at Flippa you only get the option to nominate one price and one time frame (6 mths was the max so I chose that). Now, I don't know how it's going to go so I've priced it high and allowed a lot of time to go by to see how it goes. That makes business sense as I think I can drop the price if nothing happens. I'm just trying to feel out the market. No point in underselling it I reckon.

For the record when I registered it in 08 a big "This is a premium domain" sign came up so as far as I know it is a premium domain. Now, I registered it because in Oz the smoking laws are getting ridiculous. The initial idea was to see what support for a smoking lobby there was. And that's still the purpose. Getting it off the ground has been an interesting experience but, that's another story. What I can say is the pc crowd are in full swing and I see them chipping away at our civil liberties. Some might be happy to relinquish them but I'm not.

From my perspective if it sells, fine, if it doesn't, fine. But within the next six months I plan to pitch it to different companies who have a vested interest in smoking. If someone with more clout than I decides to take it off my hands, great, otherwise I'll just keep going with it. All I lose is the listing fee so it's worth a shot.

Anyway, hope that sheds some light.

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Adie

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jump2Now

Hi guys, I own this domain and tbh am pretty surprised at most of the comments. I didn't realise it would raise the hackles so much and the abuse I've copped for posting it has been pretty amazing. Definitely an eye opener. But I'll keep my manners in.

It's actually a genuine auction/sale and here's the situation. When you list a sale at Flippa you only get the option to nominate one price and one time frame (6 mths was the max so I chose that). Now, I don't know how it's going to go so I've priced it high and allowed a lot of time to go by to see how it goes. That makes business sense as I think I can drop the price if nothing happens. I'm just trying to feel out the market. No point in underselling it I reckon.

For the record when I registered it in 08 a big "This is a premium domain" sign came up so as far as I know it is a premium domain. Now, I registered it because in Oz the smoking laws are getting ridiculous. The initial idea was to see what support for a smoking lobby there was. And that's still the purpose. Getting it off the ground has been an interesting experience but, that's another story. What I can say is the pc crowd are in full swing and I see them chipping away at our civil liberties. Some might be happy to relinquish them but I'm not.

From my perspective if it sells, fine, if it doesn't, fine. But within the next six months I plan to pitch it to different companies who have a vested interest in smoking. If someone with more clout than I decides to take it off my hands, great, otherwise I'll just keep going with it. All I lose is the listing fee so it's worth a shot.

Anyway, hope that sheds some light.

Hi,

Thanks for joining warriorforum and you are welcome. No offense if your case has been discussed here, after all, we cannot control the Internet. Once you post something on Flippa where people are buying and selling websites and domains, expect some criticism. You can't just say you don't care. People are making money with Flippa (like me) and if there's anything strange happens (like your auction), expect some reactions.

I believe you are new to domaining and I'm giving you that a great excuse, but consider this a learning and an eye opener. I understand that your domain has something to do with what is happening in your area about smoking but the thing is, people don't care. For instance, there are hundreds of people dying every month because of aids, I can't just pick a "howtoavoidedyingfromaids.com" and offer it for $500,000. Does people in your area are searching for google on how to stop smoking? How many of them do this? Any earning potential or any product to sell to these people to monetize your domain? There are lots of questions......

The cost of the domain depends on how many people are actually searching for products related to that domain....... and I don't see any one searching for "pro smoking lobby" on google....

Take a look at these most expensive domains sold and compare yours...

Most Expensive Domain Names ever SOLD

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If this domain is likely to go big, you should also buy up the .net .org .biz etc domains to ensure the value of the domain name is retained. There will be copycats climbing on board and taking advantage.

If you get $1000s for the sale the price of the competing domains would make a more valuable package if you say these are included.

If this domain has an earning potential, I can register the rest of the extensions and easily outrank the .com for free using my knowledge in SEO.. and the one that paid $800,000 need to spend another couple of thousand dollars and use all of his resources to outrank my .net.. LOL. (That's if this is a good domain - but it's not)

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Mike Hlatky 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

Most Expensive Domain Names ever SOLD

Those top couple sold say a lot about our society
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M Thompson 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

Hi,

I can't just pick a "howtoavoidedyingfromaids.com" and offer it for $500,000. [/URL]

Yes you can. Nothing whatsoever stopping you doing it.

I see real life bricks and mortar businesses listed at way above their real value but it doesn't stop people making an offer.

I really can't see whats disturbing about offering a domain at a high price , I certainly won't be losing sleep over it.
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Steven Carl Kelly 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

Take a look at these most expensive domains sold and compare yours...

Most Expensive Domain Names ever SOLD

FYI, one of my former business partners (Kelly) is the guy who owned autos.com and sold it in 1999.
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- Adie 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly
  
  FYI, one of my former business partners (Kelly) is the guy who owned autos.com and sold it in 1999.
  
  Hi Steve,
  
  Good to hear that.. I sold a blog before to one of the biggest online companies and until now I'm still proud knowing that once I established a site that become popular today....
  
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testaccount1234567

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jump2Now

Hi guys, I own this domain and tbh am pretty surprised at most of the comments. I didn't realise it would raise the hackles so much and the abuse I've copped for posting it has been pretty amazing. Definitely an eye opener. But I'll keep my manners in.

It's actually a genuine auction/sale and here's the situation. When you list a sale at Flippa you only get the option to nominate one price and one time frame (6 mths was the max so I chose that). Now, I don't know how it's going to go so I've priced it high and allowed a lot of time to go by to see how it goes. That makes business sense as I think I can drop the price if nothing happens. I'm just trying to feel out the market. No point in underselling it I reckon.

For the record when I registered it in 08 a big "This is a premium domain" sign came up so as far as I know it is a premium domain. Now, I registered it because in Oz the smoking laws are getting ridiculous. The initial idea was to see what support for a smoking lobby there was. And that's still the purpose. Getting it off the ground has been an interesting experience but, that's another story. What I can say is the pc crowd are in full swing and I see them chipping away at our civil liberties. Some might be happy to relinquish them but I'm not.

From my perspective if it sells, fine, if it doesn't, fine. But within the next six months I plan to pitch it to different companies who have a vested interest in smoking. If someone with more clout than I decides to take it off my hands, great, otherwise I'll just keep going with it. All I lose is the listing fee so it's worth a shot.

Anyway, hope that sheds some light.

I understand your idea in theory but I think you are basing your sale on the hopes that the laws get super ridiculous here in Oz and it causes a big fuss and everyone turns to the Internet and all of a sudden you have a very potentially profitable domain.

I would really try and sell that idea in your auction listing, you need to educate to potential buyers why your site is something they should be interested in.

Also no offense but the site looks tacky and amateurish, for that price tag people would expect to see a professional looking site.

What I would do is shell out a few hundred bucks and get a really swish looking site with professional logo and graphics, the whole works and at least make it look expensive.

But hey your generating some interest so you must be doing something right

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Steve Forster 14 years ago

Thanks for the feedback Tristan. I normally design my sites from the ground up (mymoviescripts.com is an example of one I reckon looks ok) but decided to do a wordpress theme so people could post comments. I will definately give it a redesign though and fill out the Flippa description...and pull the price back. Thanks again.
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M Thompson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tristan Bull

What I would do is shell out a few hundred bucks and get a really swish looking site with professional logo and graphics, the whole works and at least make it look expensive.

But hey your generating some interest so you must be doing something right

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Good point.... also consider setting up a link to an online petition and then issuing some press releases.. do a face book group etc... pretty soon you'd have a valuable commodity

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jump2Now

Now, I registered it because in Oz the smoking laws are getting ridiculous.

It's not just in Oz. There's a law in Seattle which says you can't smoke within a certain distance of a building's entrance, and that distance is more than half the width of the street. So there are several square miles of downtown Seattle where it's actually illegal to smoke at all, because you're ALWAYS too close to a building's entrance.

For what it's worth, I think what you're doing is precisely what you ought to be doing, and all the people complaining seem to forget that the pro-smoking lobby is likely sponsored by multi-billion-dollar corporate interests.

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Adie

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

It's not just in Oz. There's a law in Seattle which says you can't smoke within a certain distance of a building's entrance, and that distance is more than half the width of the street. So there are several square miles of downtown Seattle where it's actually illegal to smoke at all, because you're ALWAYS too close to a building's entrance.

For what it's worth, I think what you're doing is precisely what you ought to be doing, and all the people complaining seem to forget that the pro-smoking lobby is likely sponsored by multi-billion-dollar corporate interests.

I understand that this keyword is important but then again, in domaining business, what important is the data. We are talking about the historical data and nothing else... You can't tell someone who wanted to get pregnant to buy this "get pregnant medicine" for $5,000 because you believe that it has a great potential to make you pregnant even without evidence, without clinical study, without approval of bureau of drugs, etc.. And yes, there are hundreds of thousands or even millions of women in the planet who wanted to get pregnant and they are desperate too... Offering without proof is swindling....

"pro smoking lobby" - broad global searches = 10 / monthly searches = 20 - only the dumb of dumbest will pay even $1,000 for this domain.....

Do I need to explain myself? Even this thread reaches 10000 posts, I'll stay with my argument...

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Gene Pimentel

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

I understand that this keyword is important but then again, in domaining business, what important is the data. We are talking about the historical data and nothing else.

Just to clarify, there are domain buyers who do require "data", but the largest pool of domain buyers do not. They buy based on intrinsic value of the domain name.

I've been a full time domainer for 7+ years. The majority of the domains I've sold (thousands) have zero or almost zero "data". No traffic, no backlinks, no rankings, no monetization. I'm referring mostly to the sub 1K market though, as well as some 5-figure sales. When one is asking 5 figures or more for a domain, it either has to be an exceptional domain name in itself, or one that does have external strengths like traffic, etc.

Whether or not the OP sells this domain set for such a premium price depends more on the ability to catch the eye of a buyer that can't live without it. Extremely unlikely, but kudos to the OP for starting at the top just to get the feedback and eyeballs he needs.

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Scott Burton

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

LOL. He is asking for $800,000 for a domain that is not even listed in google search and I can register .net for $8.00. This guy must be dreaming... domain name is prosmokinglobby.com with nothing on the site..

I looked into this a little further, and at first it did appear that the .net was available according to some whois lookups and such. But interestingly, the auction lists several domains included, which does include the .net... And you know what? They are already registered even though some lookups show them as available.

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garyv

14 years ago

I think I've seen this tactic used before, simply as a way to get traffic to their site. Hopefully it doesn't catch on, or flippa puts a stop to it.

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E. Brian Rose

14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I think I've seen this tactic used before, simply as a way to get traffic to their site. Hopefully it doesn't catch on, or flippa puts a stop to it.

Ya, they should start telling people how much they can charge for their own property. After that, they could make it mandatory that if you make over a certain amount, you must give some of your money to people that didn't make that much with their Flippa auctions.

Why does this all sound so eerily familiar?

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garyv

14 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

Ya, they should start telling people how much they can charge for their own property. After that, they could make it mandatory that if you make over a certain amount, you must give some of your money to people that didn't make that much with their Flippa auctions.

Why does this all sound so eerily familiar?

Sorry, but this is absolutely nothing like that LOL - There's no way in hell you're going to get a million people driving by your shack if you decide to sell it for 10 million dollars more than it's worth.

And the reason I said it should be stopped, is because if everyone started using this tactic to get traffic, then it would diminish the purpose of flippa. Just like traffic seekers have destroyed many other sites on the internet.

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candoit2

14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Sorry, but this is absolutely nothing like that LOL - There's no way in hell you're going to get a million people driving by your shack if you decide to sell it for 10 million dollars more than it's worth.

And the reason I said it should be stopped, is because if everyone started using this tactic to get traffic, then it would diminish the purpose of flippa. Just like traffic seekers have destroyed many other sites on the internet.

I go to flippa every day and I never saw this auction, and wouldn't have given it more than a glance if I did.

The only reason I paid any attention to it was because of this thread.

Running around to forums and drawing attention to the auction only encourages others to use it as a traffic method themselves.

The more debate and fuss made about the auction only creates more buzz and traffic to the person's site.

If anything those who are worried and predicting about Flippa's demise or eventually being over run with these types of listings are creating a self fulfilling prophecy IMO.

Let people sell whatever price they want, and if you don't like it, then don't advertise it for them. :-)

Aaron

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garyv

14 years ago

Originally Posted by AaronJones

If anything those who are worried and predicting about Flippa's demise or eventually being over run with these types of listings are creating a self fulfilling prophecy IMO.

Let people sell whatever price they want, and if you don't like it, then don't advertise it for them. :-)

Aaron

First - I'm not the one that started this thread - nor would I. But it doesn't matter, because someone always does, which is why people use the method. And I never predicted Flippa's demise, I said it would diminish their purpose. And those type of things happen because of those that use these methods - not because people predict it will happen.

Using a website for something other than it's intended purpose to gain traffic and sales, will ultimately diminish that website's purpose. It's not rocket-science. Just ask Myspace or Craigslist.

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Adie

14 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

Ya, they should start telling people how much they can charge for their own property. After that, they could make it mandatory that if you make over a certain amount, you must give some of your money to people that didn't make that much with their Flippa auctions.

Why does this all sound so eerily familiar?

If you think buying a used car for $1000 and selling it for $50,00 just because you think your car worth that much then go for it... but do not offer it in public who knows the real price of the car... Yes, people can charge whatever property they have for whatever amount they want but asking public to buy it is another story.....

Originally Posted by AaronJones

Let people sell whatever price they want, and if you don't like it, then don't advertise it for them. :-)

Sorry but if I am one of the owners of Flippa, I would ask the seller to explain why he is offering such unbelievable price, otherwise I will delete his auction for some reason. I don't want my business to look bad for people who understand the real business.... It's like the other forum out there - I was a very active member before, but ever since I noticed a lot of people doing stupid things, I left.... see the decline of the membership of that forum and what's left there are people who are doing stupid things with adsense and things like that. Heck, I even read the last post of of a known member here saying goodbye in that forum too for the very same reason....

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candoit2

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

Sorry but if I am one of the owners of Flippa, I would ask the seller to explain why he is offering such unbelievable price, otherwise I will delete his auction for some reason. I don't want my business to look bad for people who understand the real business.... It's like the other forum out there - I was a very active member before, but ever since I noticed a lot of people doing stupid things, I left.... see the decline of the membership of that forum and what's left there are people who are doing stupid things with adsense and things like that. Heck, I even read the last post of of a known member here saying goodbye in that forum too for the very same reason....

Adie, are you stopping anything by complaining on this forum about what goes on at other forums?

Has the person with the listing gained exposure and traffic to their site from your energy?

Who is getting what they wanted?

Aaron

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Adie

14 years ago

Originally Posted by AaronJones

Adie, are you stopping anything by complaining on this forum about what goes on at other forums?

Has the person with the listing gained exposure and traffic to their site from your energy?

Who is getting what they wanted?

Aaron

I am not complaining; I am comparing 2 similar things. Heck, I can register all domains I want and tell people to buy this and buy that because this has huge potential - do you people really want this to happen?

I work with facts and data, not with just assumptions.....

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Adie 14 years ago

Originally Posted by voicetec

wow...guys i'm a newbie marketer and this tread has deffo opened my eyes...

the opportunities on the internet just seem endless....

What "opportunities" on this thread are you referring to? Selling crap domain? LOL
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brendan9971 14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

I think I've seen this tactic used before, simply as a way to get traffic to their site. Hopefully it doesn't catch on, or flippa puts a stop to it.

Agreed. I think it's just a way to get folks to the site which apparently working if you are all checking it out. haha.
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Steve Forster 14 years ago

Mmmm, I wouldn't have thought about that if you hadn't mentioned it...

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garyv

14 years ago

Hmm, after looking at the website, I'd have to say that I have no clue as to the intentions of this person. You're right it's disturbing.

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Adie

14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

Hmm, after looking at the website, I'd have to say that I have no clue as to the intentions of this person. You're right it's disturbing.

Tt's hard to read other people's mind.. LOL... I think he just need traffic from Flippa..

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Vogin

14 years ago

Here's a suggestion:

The owner wants to get a traffic boost before he'll actually list it for a more reasonable price, so he'll keep it up for a while and then re-list it...

On the other hand, you only need one guy out of, say, 3 billions people connected to the Internet who would buy it, so... Never ever underestimate what customers are capable of.

Would you mind PMing me the URL of the auction? I'd like to see how this peculiar auction turns out...

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Adie

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Vogin

Here's a suggestion:

The owner wants to get a traffic boost before he'll actually list it for a more reasonable price, so he'll keep it up for a while and then re-list it...

On the other hand, you only need one guy out of, say, 3 billions people connected to the Internet who would buy it, so... Never ever underestimate what customers are capable of.

Would you mind PMing me the URL of the auction? I'd like to see how this peculiar auction turns out...

Here:
http://doiop.com/flippa

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

Here:
http://doiop.com/flippa

lol ... apparently he listed it as an auction and no bidders so it went private.
Interesting to see he deleted all 4 comments, which were probably something like ... what are you smoking dude?

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Steve Forster

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

lol ... apparently he listed it as an auction and no bidders so it went private.
Interesting to see he deleted all 4 comments, which were probably something like ... what are you smoking dude?

haha, that's funny. It wasn't listed as an auction though so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Comments were along the lines of a sticky 0 key. Also funny but not relevant. "What are you smoking dude" would at least have been on topic.

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jump2Now

haha, that's funny. It wasn't listed as an auction though so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Comments were along the lines of a sticky 0 key. Also funny but not relevant. "What are you smoking dude" would at least have been on topic.

Glad you saw the humor ... no offense intended. I wish you luck with your auction.

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mott

14 years ago

It could be that he has a large list of subscribers to his newsletter, which makes the site worth something. But he doesn't mention it, just the potential.

Also the auction closes in 5 months, so he's not in a hurry for the money.

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GuruGazette

14 years ago

FWIW there is a whole industry out there that just focuses on buying and selling domain names. No traffic, income or content needed. And yes sometimes the sales are very large. This isn't hearsay btw, I've sold my own share of domains only over the years.

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the_icon

14 years ago

TBH the concept is an ok one though I reckon it would be better served as a FB fanpage.

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David Louis Monk

14 years ago

If this domain is likely to go big, you should also buy up the .net .org .biz etc domains to ensure the value of the domain name is retained. There will be copycats climbing on board and taking advantage.

If you get $1000s for the sale the price of the competing domains would make a more valuable package if you say these are included.

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14 years ago

Thanks David, great idea. It's now a package.

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14 years ago

Hi Adie, yes I'm pretty new to selling domains and appreciate your insights. I don't mind the criticism though, particularly if it's constructive. I was just a bit surprised. I guess it's better than being completely ignored.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jump2Now

Hi Adie, yes I'm pretty new to selling domains and appreciate your insights. I don't mind the criticism though, particularly if it's constructive. I was just a bit surprised. I guess it's better than being completely ignored.

Good luck with the auction i hope someone comes and offers you $300,000 and goes a way thinking they got a bargain.

Then when you sell it you can create a $3000 course about how you made $300,000

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14 years ago

if this disturbes you then you dont get out enough!

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Originally Posted by Frank Ayres

if this disturbes you then you dont get out enough!

You got that right
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Originally Posted by Frank Ayres

if this disturbes you then you dont get out enough!

If it does not concern you then I understand that you are not doing business with Flippa.....
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John Romaine

14 years ago

I dont think he has any intention of selling it.

For what its worth, Ive seen massive boosts in Google's rankings via backlinks from flippa.

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testaccount1234567 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

I dont think he has any intention of selling it.

For what its worth, Ive seen massive boosts in Google's rankings via backlinks from flippa.

Well if he doesn't plan on selling it he should prob plan on monetizing it...
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14 years ago

The bin is now $250,000.

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Steve Forster

14 years ago

Hey, I have every intention of either selling it or monetizing it. And the price is floating around until I feel it's about right. Have relisted for 500k, added the .net, .org, .info, .biz domains and filled out the Flippa discription.

>also consider setting up a link to an online petition and then issuing some press releases.. do a face book group etc

Great point.

Thanks for the advice guys. I appreciate it. One day I hope to post a comment about how much it sold for. First things first though.

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Damien Roche

14 years ago

I think you're forgetting this package includes prosmokinglobby.biz. What a steal!

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14 years ago

I might make a nice big sign for people when I register domains for them saying "wow this is a premium domain, you better buy the set"

Could work wonders for my marketing

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Kathy_T

14 years ago

I'm really glad I found this thread, since it has shed quite a bit of light on the business of offering domains for sale.

I've never sold any of my websites, but when I talked to someone last year about possibly selling one of them (drop ship site that has a track record of sales and income), he told me to look into Flippa.

When I first went to Flippa, I was stunned by what some people were asking for their sites, and thought that there was no way they would warrant such a high price tag!

It truly never occured to me that there might be any reason to list a site there other than: "Ok, I've worked on this site, but I've done all I can with it - so now it's time to sell it and move on..."

Goes to show you how naive I am!

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14 years ago

This thread is going too long and this is the thing I can only say... If your domain has large search volume, then you can sell it for the amount whatever you want. But if your domain has no monthly search data, be ashamed to your self. people are not buying the "potential" thing. They are buying real figures.....

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

This thread is going too long and this is the thing I can only say... If your domain has large search volume, then you can sell it for the amount whatever you want. But if your domain has no monthly search data, be ashamed to your self. people are not buying the "potential" thing. They are buying real figures.....

Adie, if the thread's going on too long then all you have to do is stop reading it. I'm learning a lot from everybodys posts.

And people buy or invest in potential all the time. How many new artists would we hear if no one invested in potential? I'm a fan of Richard Branson and he invests in potential all the time. Of the thousands of companies he owns most don't make a dime but at least three are multi-billion dollar companies. Live and let live I reckon.

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Will Perkins

14 years ago

Anyone feeling up to making a fake flippa account and bidding on it? $50.00 says the guy s***'s his pants when he sees he got a bid.

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Originally Posted by Will Perkins

Anyone feeling up to making a fake flippa account and bidding on it? $50.00 says the guy s***'s his pants when he sees he got a bid.

Check out the Just Sold link on Flippa. Provides an interesting insight into what's selling.
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- Will Perkins 14 years ago
  
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  Check out the Just Sold link on Flippa. Provides an interesting insight into what's selling.
  
  I can't right now, but just think about it. Being a seller and actually getting a bid on a "fake" auction more/less.
  
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  > You're the seller right? Good luck getting your 500 grand for a site that has no face value whatsoever
  
  Yep, I'm the seller. That's why there's a long lead time. Hopefully enough to give it a face.
  
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- Adie 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jump2Now
  
  Check out the Just Sold link on Flippa. Provides an interesting insight into what's selling.
  
  FYI, there are dozens of fake profiles who registered starting this year and selling craps while the same people buying their auctions just to boost their ratings... If you are dealing with Flippa ever since it was created, you'll know what I mean....
  
  Let's take a look at recently sold:
  
  genesisnetdevelopment.com - $5,400K established web development business (not just site)
  photoshopcontest.com - $31,500 established website with $700/month earnings / very good domain
  coffeetoday.com - no question about this
  domain / established with $649/month profit = $10,400
  freelncr.com - established with $3,120 rev = $6,500
  christian-wallpaper.net - established / $108 per month = $2,800
  av.net - very good 2-letter domain = $2,500
  theiphoneappreview.com - established with &2,792 per month rev / $22,000
  ...and so on...
  
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  prosmokinglobby.com = (asking is $800,000) - revenue? traffic? keyword data? -(potential - yes LOL)
  
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garyv

14 years ago

And by the way, it doesn't matter if it's talked about on the forum or not. That's not what makes this type of auction get traffic. It's a 6 month long auction, and if you browse auctions, and sort according to price, then this auction will sit right at the top of that page for 6 months. THAT is where the traffic comes from. It's not banking on the fact that someone is going to complain about it at some forum - (although that would be a bonus). But it doesn't need that. Sitting at the top of that page for 6 months will give it plenty of traffic.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by garyv

... That's not what makes this type of auction get traffic. It's a 6 month long auction, and if you browse auctions, and sort according to price, then this auction will sit right at the top of that page for 6 months. THAT is where the traffic comes from.

To be honest I didn't list it for that purpose. But it's hell of a tactic. I just wanted a reasonable lead time to give it the most chance of succeeding. A previous auction I listed saw the 30 days fly by in a blink so I thought I'd try a different approach with this one.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jump2Now

To be honest I didn't list it for that purpose. But it's hell of a tactic. I just wanted a reasonable lead time to give it the most chance of succeeding. A previous auction I listed saw the 30 days fly by in a blink so I thought I'd try a different approach with this one.

In reality, long auctions tend to get lesser attention. Why? because people don't want to wait... Listings within 3 to 5 days are sold before they ended.

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Originally Posted by Adie

In reality, long auctions tend to get lesser attention. Why? because people don't want to wait... Listings within 3 to 5 days are sold before they ended.

Not really true. A 6 month auction that has 3 days left gets just as much attention as a 3 day auction. The long auction is not always a good tactic, but it does give time to pick up followers of the auction.
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14 years ago

Why do people play Lotto ?

Same answers works here too ^^

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Adie 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bragah

Why do people play Lotto ?

Same answers works here too ^^

In lotto, no one would care even you lost millions. Here, you are offering your product for people to buy...

irrelevant comment...
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  In lotto, no one would care even you lost millions. Here, you are offering your product for people to buy...
  
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mott

14 years ago

I'm having trouble coping with this thread!

My first impulse at this auction is that the guy made a mistake listing it. My second would be to click the ad and see why it is for sale at that price. Since I would find no reason, I would still assume the ad was a mistake, or the seller is crazy.

Then again, I can't see how this ad hurts anyone. And I go to Flippa all the time, buying and selling. His website will get traffic, heck even I went there, but so what? I can think of cheaper ways to get traffic than to be listed on Flippa.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

there are dozens of fake profiles who registered starting this year and selling craps while the same people buying their auctions just to boost their ratings

This assertion is off the mark and not supported by our evidence on Flippa.

We have an increasingly sophisticated array of tools that we use to identify duplicate accounts and shill bidding. We invest in actively policing this and suspend both buyer and seller accounts when we find they are fraudulently bidding to drive up a price. We furthermore block or remove any subsequent attempts by both existing and suspended/banned users to open new accounts on Flippa.

I very much doubt that users could be bothered going to the effort and expense of creating fake auctions, bids and sales just to generate positive feedback – let alone the risk of having their account suspended when it is identified. It’s a costly proposition that is more easily and profitably achieved by real sales.

Quick thanks for highlighting some great sales on Flippa – be assured that everything in our systems indicates that these are legitimate sales to individual and otherwise unrelated buyers and sellers.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by AndrewAU

This assertion is off the mark and not supported by our evidence on Flippa.

We have an increasingly sophisticated array of tools that we use to identify duplicate accounts and shill bidding. We invest in actively policing this and suspend both buyer and seller accounts when we find they are fraudulently bidding to drive up a price. We furthermore block or remove any subsequent attempts by both existing and suspended/banned users to open new accounts on Flippa.

I very much doubt that users could be bothered going to the effort and expense of creating fake auctions, bids and sales just to generate positive feedback – let alone the risk of having their account suspended when it is identified. It’s a costly proposition that is more easily and profitably achieved by real sales.

Quick thanks for highlighting some great sales on Flippa – be assured that everything in our systems indicates that these are legitimate sales to individual and otherwise unrelated buyers and sellers.

I am not belittling your system and yes, you are right - there is no evidence (after all we are not on court). But seeing how new auctions are being sold to new members is suspicious. I don't have any question or any problem with those established websites that are sold for I myself have sold a couple in the past, and I agree, they are legitimate and real....

Those "guaranteed or money back" auctions are obvious and needs to be investigated...

We discussed a lot in this forum about Flipping sites and what are the things the needed to be done before selling them to get more real and happy customers, but those "guaranteed or money back" things are just works of people who wanted to take the innocence of other people for granted. I am expecting massive refunds from these buyers once they reach 6 months without getting $300, $500, $600 and so on from each site they purchase through those auctions.....

A serious businessman takes care of his customer and provides after sale support. It's not a good business if you sell your site and forget about it....

No further argument.... and thanks for pointing that out.....

Originally Posted by danthony

That's just crazy, doesn't even look like the site has a history of being profitable.

Seller is not aware of that and basing his pricing on his own opinion.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

Those "guaranteed or money back" auctions are obvious and needs to be investigated...

This is getting off the topic, but I think there are other problems with Flippa that are bigger issues than this. Such as people selling websites that include WP Robot for less than $140, which is against their terms. Same thing happens with this forum, and it's allowed. Plus other themes, plugins, etc. that are included in the sale, when the seller does not have the rights to sell.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mott

This is getting off the topic, but I think there are other problems with Flippa that are bigger issues than this. Such as people selling websites that include WP Robot for less than $140, which is against their terms. Same thing happens with this forum, and it's allowed. Plus other themes, plugins, etc. that are included in the sale, when the seller does not have the rights to sell.

I totally agree with you on this.... They are actually selling autoblogs and not niche sites with unique content.... Autoblogs means:

wp-robot - sale against TOS
possible adsense problem
possible content copyright problem

Other premium plugins...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Adie

I totally agree with you on this.... They are actually selling autoblogs and not niche sites with unique content.... Autoblogs means:

wp-robot - sale against TOS
possible adsense problem
possible content copyright problem

Other premium plugins...

I agree to some extent about autoblogs. I saw one sold for $100 the other day. It was poorly made, the content didn't credit the author, it was a bad domain name, etc. So why did it sell? I assume because the buyer can get an illegal copy of WP Robot for $100, as well as other plugins & themes.

Heck, I can do that all day long, put together an autobog with WP Robot in an hour and sell it for $50-100. But I have a conscience.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mott

I agree to some extent about autoblogs. I saw one sold for $100 the other day. It was poorly made, the content didn't credit the author, it was a bad domain name, etc. So why did it sell? I assume because the buyer can get an illegal copy of WP Robot for $100, as well as other plugins & themes.

Heck, I can do that all day long, put together an autobog with WP Robot in an hour and sell it for $50-100. But I have a conscience.

..aside from conscience we can't predict what happens when people who purchased these demands refund after sometime because the blogs did not live to its promises - to earn guaranteed $400/month through adsense.. LOL...and yes, flippa has no problem about that as long as the sellers/suckers are paying listing fees... how ironic....

BTW, I just sold an old niche blog for $120 today. That blog is earning some $10-$12 per month but since I have no time to deal with it, I chose to sell it rather than letting the domain expired. The blog can double it's earnings if the new owner can post an article or 2 per week (even without promoting) just to refresh its content and search engine visibility.... Though the blog is old and I have proof of earnings, I did not say "guaranteed $500 per month or your money back" - this is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard from an auction....LOL

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mott

This is getting off the topic, but I think there are other problems with Flippa that are bigger issues than this. Such as people selling websites that include WP Robot for less than $140, which is against their terms. Same thing happens with this forum, and it's allowed. Plus other themes, plugins, etc. that are included in the sale, when the seller does not have the rights to sell.

Looks like the "potential" thing is getting attention from Flippa..

What is the Value of Websites for Sale with

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Originally Posted by Adie

Looks like the "potential" thing is getting attention from Flippa..

What is the Value of Websites for Sale with

Good that they posted that. I hope it gets read because Flippa is literally overrun with these "huge potential" startups that have absolutely nothing going for them in the way of traffic or revenue or assets.

$5100/mth Potential ! xxxxxxxxxxxx 100% Automated Site
Also claims to be beautiful design, professional
Actually, it's ugly and amateurish. An autoblog with no unique content, brand new, no traffic, no ranking, no income. Nothing.
blah blah blah.

Flippa is rampant with these type of listings. And sadly, people buy them, believing the hype, and then they sit on servers collecting digital dust.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Good that they posted that. I hope it gets read because Flippa is literally overrun with these "huge potential" startups that have absolutely nothing going for them in the way of traffic or revenue or assets.

$5100/mth Potential ! xxxxxxxxxxxx 100% Automated Site
Also claims to be beautiful design, professional
Actually, it's ugly and amateurish. An autoblog with no unique content, brand new, no traffic, no ranking, no income. Nothing.
blah blah blah.

Flippa is rampant with these type of listings. And sadly, people buy them, believing the hype, and then they sit on servers collecting digital dust.

I think this thread is one of the reasons why they realized that thing....

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Originally Posted by Adie

Looks like the "potential" thing is getting attention from Flippa..

Kudos where kudos is due: we've had the "potential" post on the boil for a while, this thread (along with a few email/twitter dialogues and one or two listings that clearly pushed the bounds of reasonability) did indeed give it a nudge out the door. Hopefully readers found it useful - the number of comments seem to indicate this may be the case!
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14 years ago

That's just crazy, doesn't even look like the site has a history of being profitable.

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ethernity

14 years ago

The domain is worth the registration fee and nothing more.

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Originally Posted by ethernity

The domain is worth the registration fee and nothing more.

One of your 3 most important posts.. LOL
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14 years ago

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Good luck buddy. That domain isnt worth anything. Good joke though.

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Gaz Cooper

14 years ago

If he gets $800,000 for that I will be listing a lot of my domains for sale for at least a few Million each LOL

But hey you never know stranger things have happened he might get and offer of $25,000 which I am sure he would be happy with..

Peanuts to a big corporation if they really want the name.

If it were me I would at least maybe develop it a bit and try and get some members for a pro smoking lobby group at least it would be more than just a domain then.

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st271

14 years ago

He'll never ever sell it for that price. Waste of a listing fee. I could only get $3,100 for a site on Flippa making me just over $100 a month.

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gwedge

14 years ago

Well even as an avid non smoker I can see the logic behind Jump2now's idea. The cigarette companies have always had money to burn (pardon the pun) and spent fortunes on sponsoring sports events to get their name in front of the masses. If his site were to get a big enough support as a lobbying platform I could see them wanting to take it off his hands for their own benefit. Talk about a targeted audience!

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mott

14 years ago

Just a thought, again...I admit that I create new websites and try to sell them on Flippa, based on potential. That's because I don't build them to use for 6 months and then sell; I build them to sell right away, since that is what I enjoy and do best.

I think it is up to the buyer to do their homework and see if the potential is there. I guess my point is, I can't sell anything else except potential with a brand new site. I can point out the features, but potential seems to be the selling point.

Also about autoblogs...I have no problem with them if full credit is given to the person who writes te articles. I don't like spinning someone else's articles to make them unique.

And as I said, my biggest problem with some sellers is when they sell things they don't have the licenses for, and violate TOS. I don't do that, even though that kind of cheating appears profitable.

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Adie

14 years ago

that kind of cheating appears profitable

This is the only thing they know.. LOL

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

I have a few autoblogs which have more PR and traffic than that, don't really get the point of this thread or what the OP wants. There's nothing about that domain/site which is even remotely worth anything. IMO. Much luck selling tho

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14 years ago

That is great, is this even real?? lol worth a laugh at least

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Mike McAleer

14 years ago

We are the ones who are giving this guy even more attention than he deserves. This domain nor any others like it are worth even $1000 without any sales/traffic. You rarely see a domain which is 3 words long that has sold for more than $1000. Certain 2 word domains can do so and a rare 3 word might hit the thousand dollar mark however this flippa auction is really just a huge joke

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Originally Posted by FreshDomains

Certain 2 word domains can do so and a rare 3 word might hit the thousand dollar mark however this flippa auction is really just a huge joke

Well, I remember being a newbie and buying a bunch of crap domains and thinking they were worth something. A lot of people have done it. He is a newbie to domaining and he may be overestimating the worth of the domain but there's no need to be insulting about it.
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Sagar Mehta

14 years ago

The domain is not worth anything. The domain is not worth anything. The domain is not worth anything. The domain is not worth anything. The domain is not worth anything

To You.

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14 years ago

Amazing how many people comment before reading the comments. :rolleyes:

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Kev Stevenson

14 years ago

Surely it's naive not to see some potential in such a domain.

Pro-smoking lobbies are often 'fronts' for multi-billion dollar tobacco companies.

As Mr Darklock also sez...

the pro-smoking lobby is likely sponsored by multi-billion-dollar corporate interests

I understand that if you only analyze search, visitor and earnings data - such potential value may not be immediately apparent.

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14 years ago

Listing a domain at $800,000 certainly gets people talking about it so a lot more exposure than if he'd priced it low.

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Adie

14 years ago

I can't believe this thread is still active.. anyway... I'm still holding on my words and I apologize if I had some hard comments above..

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