WSO Pro Advanced is coming... thoughts?

Well, I'm not launching my next WSO in the next 24 hours - I'm really curious how this is going to play out though.

As an affiliate I'm super happy about it.

No more having to communicate with both buyer and vendor when taking care of customers.

As a seller I wouldn't want to be running all that money through my account.

So it is what it is I guess.

Thats how JV Zoo has structured their fees and we don't really mind because of the killer features they provide over the other options to sell wso's.

I really hope Mike gets rid of the need to login into Paypal to do a refund and also gives an option to add a help desk URL instead of an email for support.

We asked JV Zoo to add that feature... and they did it in a few minutes :-)

Hopefully WSO Pro will have 1 click refunds like JV Zoo already has... just click the refund button and type the word refund in... and your done!

Will, divided payments between 2 (or more) partners in a JV is something I am very interested to see. Without it, JV becomes a little more difficult (with loss in earnings due to intra-paypal transfer)

I love competition. It usually helps both products to get better faster - win for the users!

I wonder if WSO Pro Advanced will adopt the pricing that JVZoo has in terms of either/or -- either the percentage OR a flat fee. IMHO, that model rocks.

I guess it depends on your perspective - if everything is automated then the seller is getting a hell of a deal. I mean think about it...your entire sales and order fulfillment process is set up cradle to grave and all the seller has to do is copy their Buy Now button code to their sales page.

For the affiliate, there's zero hassle - just promote and get paid. The seller handles the support and refunds as they should. More importantly, there's virtually no risk to the affiliate of getting screwed out of commissions.

All I'm saying is that compared to other types of affiliate programs, you're getting a hell of a lot of value for what you're paying.

And yes, I'm biased, having built one of these platforms myself <cough>digibilly.com</cough> - but they're awesome.

Right now, in the final phase of our own beta testing, we're running our Incansoft products through our system. We're splitting each sale between partners, which saves me the hassle of having to keep track of who's owed what, making payments manually, etc.

It's all the little benefits that make it worthwhile.

As I see it....

JV zoo is a much user friendly product.

JV zoo is free to use and set up.

WPro had the market to itself for a long time.

People like pay per sale basis and free entry.

Combined with wso fees, a licence fee prohibits entry, so a pay per sale version lowers the entry costs for many.

Honestly, I like that the affiliates have to take care of their own taxes, not me........

So, I hope that WSO Pro still operates the same way, but offers adaptive payments for those who like it that way.....

"how can you be super happy about losing 5%"

Heck I pay my assistant alot more than that to handle the customer service that will now be handled by the product vendor.

No more customers calling my phone or emailing me where I have to explain to them that I can't even give them access to the product they purchased from me, because it's not my product. << this is pretty confusing to people.

When a product vendor doesn't take care of a customer, it puts my PayPal account at risk for chargebacks, disputes, etc. Plus when a customer puts in a refund request and I never get that request, then I look like the a-hole. Because I'll get a nasty email months later about how a customer put in 3 refund requests and never got it (yet this is the first contact I've had about it, but how do you explain that to a customer?)

So giving up 5% of each sale to cut down customer service costs and lower risk with my accounts is well worth it to me.

yes,, they actualy find that WSO is the most profitable market now these days, they read opportunity to make them more rich, without doing anything specific
(you just wait someone to create a product, affiliate came, product sell, and than, caching$ dollar in your pocket)

looks like their strategies,, will face the reallity
just we wait what will happen

So guys and gals what do you think, is there a room for 2-3 more services offering the same features like JVZoo, WPro, DigiResults and etc. ? For me it sounds like new market for "Buy Button" providers and I am thinking about creating my own. What if I will? Is competition low, medium or big for now?

Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

I tried JV Zoo for the first time on my current WSO and I'm really pleased with it.

One thing to watch out for though that really caused me a problem was starting off your WSO (using JV Zoo), as a normal set up and then switching over to a dime-sale at a given stage later.

I wanted to have a week of fixed price @$17 and then do the usual marketing stuff..."Dime sale starting soon, get yours now before the price goes up," but when I activated the dime sale (with a maximum sale price of $47, increasing in 0.50 cent increments every 3 sales), the price jumped from $17 to $41.50!

Luckily I spotted it after the first sale came in and refunded the customer.

What wasn't made clear at the time was you had to create a duplicate listing (they have a Duplicate Post feature), activate the dime sale and then copy the dime sale button from that listing and paste it into your WSO thread, therefore replacing the original buy now button.

Technically it all worked, but then I discovered that all the affiliate links from the prelaunch no longer worked because the buy now button was now a dime sale button which was connected to the new duplicated listing.

I had a good amount of affiliates at that point so instead of telling them all to sign up again, I removed the dime sale button and reverted back to the original buy now button.

This in effect cost me quite a lot of extra income, not to mention the damage it may have caused to my reputation with my list as I was pushing them quite hard to buy before the dime sale kicked in and the price increases. Now it looks like I was BS'ing.

Why am I sharing all of this with you guys?

Well first of all, it's not to bitch and moan about JV Zoo.

Brian helped me out personally with this (once it became clear what was happening).

Apparently, I was the first person to have ever have tried to do a prelaunch and then revert to a dime sale.

I was used to the WSO Pro system where when the dime sale feature is activated after sales are made, historical data is not calculated (I'm sure it works that way), and (as in my case), huge jumps in price don't take place.

So the reason why I'm sharing this is prevent it happening to anyone else.

So in short, if you're planning on using JV Zoo for a normal launch with a fixed price, then a dime sale some days after, be sure to duplicate your first listing, give it a new name, replace your "Buy Now2 button with your dime sale button and inform your affiliates to sign up using the new listing sign up link.

I hope this all makes sense.

Warmest regards,

Stewart

2zapseo:

Thank you for your honest opinion. This make a sense and there are my thoughts.

I am web developer with more than 10 years experience. Since I came to IM I am still looking for opportunity make something really helpful and useful for all IM's. It can be a service or some software. So, as I can see market of "buy button providers" is changing and it's a good time to make another one.

Actually I already see really big missing part in WPro and JVZoo. Newcomers in this business are focused slightly different. Who will realize where is missing part will be a leader in this business. And I want to take this opportunity while others (JVZoo, WPlus, DigiResults) are slipping.

I would build more of a rep first, Alex.

All the major "button providers" had built up a pretty good rep for themselves and were well-known as Warriors before providing the payment gateway services. I would suggest that you get MUCH better known if you wish to succeed as a "button provider." I know that at least 2 of them had been Warriors for years.

There are lots of pieces of the puzzle to consider if you're going to be a service provider in IM -- ESPECIALLY one that involves a high-trust service like payment gateways.

To start with, I'd been gettin' my bod down to London next weekend for the warriorgathering there if I were you.

10 years' web development experience means nothing to me.

What KIND of web development experience?

Unless you've dealt with heavy load, realtime applications, you'll be out of your depth. And that's ON TOP of the security issues, both in code and "social engineering."

(Just FYI, I spent over 20 years in Silicon Valley as an R&D software developer. One of the first jobs I had was doing realtime assembly language data comm for one of the largest public -- but not free -- data communications networks. You can look it up in wikipedia under "Tymnet." I spent several years at Apple, as well. Just thought you should know.)

Live JoyFully!

Judy

Thank you zapseo. This is a new challenge for me. Rep first.

Mick Meaney this is true and one of missing parts of big pie in this market.

Wow, trying to keep up with all of the plus and minuses of each system is making my brain hurt lol.

So who's going to come up with a website/article that portrays all of the the needed information in a simple manner? ; )

JVZoo.com all the way.

When WSOPro gets rid of charging affiliates a fee, for being affiliates. Then i will take a look again at WSOPro. Until then, i will not go no where near them.

This system is the only one i know of that charges affiliates, for being affiliates - upfront. Take it out of the fees, not hinder the affiliates. Clickbank does, and JVZoo.com, why not WSOPro?

Just a few reasons why we (2RockStars) only use JV Zoo for our WSO's:

1. Paypal receipt only shows the product owners info and never an affiliate because of adaptive payments.

2. You never get screwed over from loss of affiliate commissions from rotating payments when you sell an odd number of products you promote.

ie: You sell 99 copies of someones product you promoted and you only get paid off of the 98 and lose out on the 99 sale. This adds up and we promoted a few high ticket items that ran off wso pro and lost out on a few hundred dollars on those alone! This adds up to hundreds and thousands in losses to you as an affiliate

3. In JV Zoo, you can use your help desk for support instead of only having the option to add an email (wso pro only has option for email). This is huge for us and saves us so much time.

4. You can run affiliate contests using JV Zoo and they host your page. They also have the leaderboard automatically update with the top affiliates. This saves us so much time not having to do it manually.

5. You can ban and blacklist serial refunders and chargeback offenders! We have over 45 people added to our list and also have our global ban set so that we dont have to deal with bad buyers. This is huge! Finally we have the chance to spank the offenders and teach them that its not ok to steal our products!

I made a longer rant and shared it on a few skype groups I belong to... but this is an abbreviated version

If anyone wants to see the longer rant... let me know and I will add it here

I've just started using JVzoo (literally last night) and to say I'm impressed is probably the understatement of the year.

I've never used WSO+ but I'd suspect Mike is feeling the heat from the relative newcomers.

In fact I'm coming to the conclusion that newbies etc to IM dont even need to buy hosting accounts when it comes to getting their stuff online.

I'm loving the idea of not having to worry about paying affiliates out myself or loads of money going through my account red flagging paypal

I've just used the JV function in JVzoo, brilliant idea
Kim

I'm closing this thread now, seems like it's turning into an ad.

I've recently deleted all references to Warrior+ from the WSO section because I don't care much for any of these services. True, they may give the Warrior Forum more exposure but they are far more a pain in my ass than they are worth.

I've never once had an issue with paypal until these got going.

And to those who run one of these services, do us both a favor and don't overstep your bounds. Some of the 'features' starting to crop up I don't particularly care for.

Allen