Sales Case Study: TV Show Sponsorship

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This is a tale of someone with a bright idea. Of someone wanting to make a real change. Of grit in the face of harsh reality, of unachieved expectations, and of almost-heartache.

I am not going to be sharing it on my blog. Not yet. I want a few more numbers first. But here, I'll share it here because we've reached and passed the critical point where it is useful to YOU.

Because I want to show you what happens when you keep going after you want to give up.

It takes time to start a new business. Especially when your business is based around an unvalidated idea. Like this TV show.

A TV show without advertising sponsors is an unvalidated idea.

My videographer came to me and asked for my involvement in resurrecting his show. He had a producer partner I'd never met.

Now you may know I have done absolutely zilch locally in the past four years. That's because the people in my town don't want to grow their businesses. It's a strange market here. I'd rather be dealing with folks in Tampa or San Diego, who want to explode their operations. But I know this guy, my videographer. He's not from here. Neither is the other producer...who also owns a business here.

I met with them to check Fit. Did I really want to commit myself to their project?

This is the first thing you must check with yourself. Are you committed? If not, if you're not 100% on board, don't get involved. Pass. Apologize, say it's just not a fit right now. This goes for your own business ideas as well. If you're not totally committed, go do something else.

Turns out both of them are action-takers. And the cost of getting the show on air was surprisingly low. They have all the equipment needed and the expertise, so that was easy, too.

So I don't have to worry about fulfillment. It's going to be a good product. The first three episodes of thirteen are done and ready to go.

One sponsor, the title sponsor, would pay for making the show. Not cover every cost with this low four-figure investment, but everything necessary to get it on air. So one win was all we needed. Achievable? Yes. But it was late May, and the show was to begin airing in early July. Actually, this would work to our advantage: prospects would have to decide quickly. As a big bonus, the producers would make a full commercial for the sponsors in HD, that would be owned by the sponsor and that they could use anywhere--online, on another TV show spot, anywhere.

Another tick mark.

Now my profit on being involved...it was not going to pay off in dollars. But I found I wanted the challenge. Could I do anything in this weird marketplace? A market in which we look at other people's business models and activity levels and say, "How the hell are you still in business?!"

Tick. Skin in the game.

Now I want you to think about what I say next very carefully:

You touch it, you own it.

The slightest level of involvement...if you're in on the sales side...you are somehow responsible for the performance of the entire project.

Before you hop into anything, remember this and consider it deeply. If it's a failure, what is the effect on you and your relationships going to be?

Now in this case I trusted the guys. I trusted the product. I knew the goal was achievable.

In my gut, I had a nice, quiet feeling of certainty about it. I knew it was going to work--before we started.

Take note of this. Because it's my experience that your expectation is what leads to your result, more than anything else.

Now the deal was: I had my own business to run, and would not be making calls myself. I could not tie up all my time on a non-moneymaker (for me)...but I did want to give the project my best effort. So when it came time to visit prospects at booked appointments, I would go along with the producers to qualify and close.

My videographer faded into the background with his own projects. I ended up working closely with the other producer, who's a smart guy and I get along with well. First thing he did was take two hours of training from me and actually start making dials.

In six dials he booked an appointment.

We bought this prospect lunch and got a lot of valuable feedback.

My main strategy was to match up our viewing audience with the target market of the prospect business. If it wasn't a fit, that was fine and we'd move on. This is what we'd discover in the prospecting call. If there was a match, we'd go for the meeting.

We also focused on the positive, local programming the show created. The TV station really liked this, too, as they were tired of running Seinfeld and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

After a couple days, I walked into the second producer's business and he was freaking out. Too much time was being tied up promoting the show, and it was taking him away from this operation. I smiled, because this was the problem I had anticipated with my own involvement.

What we needed was a phone prospector.

Well I don't know if you've ever tried to find one, a good one, but the process is never easy and quick. No way were we going to put up a Craigslist ad and get someone good in time. Remember, we had a four-week window to find, meet with, filter and close our sponsor(s). If two were eaten up with the effort of finding someone, that would kill our chances.

We called a couple established marketers (one runs a magazine, the other a consultancy) in town to find out their experience and if they knew of any good sources of phone people. Nope. After many experiences and many years of frustration, these guys did the calling themselves.

OK. There was one other choice. Temp agencies. This was, in my mind, a long shot--how the heck is a temp agency supposed to know what makes a good phone prospector? and don't they focus on admin people? But we quickly found an agency who sent us some surprisingly decent candidates.

We met with one. He looked and sounded good. Except he didn't really want to do the job, so even though we offered him the role and he accepted, later that afternoon he told the agency he wasn't interested. Why can't people tell the truth? So we interviewed a young lady and she was focused on prop work in the film industry (a good one around here, until now at least). She was coachable, so we offered her the role and she accepted. After two days, though, in spite of the fact that her last act on Day 2 was to book her first appointment, she decided it wasn't for her and quit.

You just never know what people are thinking. It was late in the week, and we wouldn't get a replacement until the following week.

This turned out to be a blessing in disguise. You have to understand that we were disappointed and shaking our heads now. The numbers I'd calculated were:

15 dials/hour x 4 hours/day x 5 days/week = 300 dials a week ...

Of those 300 dials, 3/4 would not reach a decision maker able to speak with us today ...

That means 75 dials would reach a decision maker we could have a conversation with ...

Out of those conversations, 1 in 10 would be somewhat qualified and interested in meeting ...

That would be 7 or 8 meetings.

If I couldn't close 1 in 7 qualified prospects, something would be pretty wrong, wouldn't you say?

The temp agency charged $16/hour and the caller earned $11. So it came out at $320 a week, or about a dollar a dial.

We had a couple "list books" for the town, but exhausted those quickly. So the callers had to do some web research, too...we wanted to stay away from small, starving businesses and go for bigger ones with money like hotels, car dealerships, grocery chains and so on.

I trained each caller for 1-2 hours depending on what they needed, and provided a script that made it easy for them to reach the right person (though more often than not, it would be voicemail--and we know this, on average 3/4 of the dials you'll make cold calling won't reach a decision maker who can talk to you today.) I gave each the expectations, the numbers and the fact that every dial was worth a dollar, so they understood the importance of their effort.

The following week we were very lucky as the agency sent us a lady with considerable phone experience. She was used to nasty B2C calls, so friendly B2B conversations were like a godsend.

And she came into the role with a comfort zone of 1-2 appointments set a day.

Note this, because it echos what I said above about expectations.

Thanks to her, we started getting one or two appointments booked a day.

But the early July deadline was looming.

And we went to visit these prospects...to discover one of two situations:

ONE - the business, for example a kids fun park that hosts birthdays and events, was non-profit and just didn't have the money...though they could see the value we were bringing to the table

TWO - the business, for example a hotel, wasn't used to marketing on TV and stuck to online PPC...they had the money but their response was, "Oh, isn't that cute...we like the feel-good association...if we do it, it'll be because of that" and in spite of the business case I helped them build, they wouldn't go ahead. The meetings were 10 minutes or less.

Nobody wanted to be First.

The idea was unvalidated.

Remember that, when you're starting up your own business or working with a client in that position. You are pushing a boulder uphill.

Another unhelpful thing was the demographic information from the station. There wasn't much. Just data about our town that anyone could have gotten. Not specific viewing time data at all. The station had just switched to digital, so this data will be collected and available going forward. I used this as the "damning omission" with prospects and the funny thing was, it didn't seem to be a deal-killer.

Seven meetings went by. Lots of friendly talk. No sponsor. Ten meetings.

What the heck was wrong with my sales process? What was wrong with this market?!

The first episode aired. The producers filled the advertising spots with commercials for their own businesses.

Monday morning, I walked in to the second producer's business and found him on the phone. He was very agitated. I listened and found he was trying to get out of the deal with the station. He was about to give up.

I really did smile to myself. I still had that quiet, confident feeling in my gut.

We had an appointment in 20 minutes.

When he hung up, I said, "We need to go to this meeting."

"Why bother?" the producer replied. "Let's just cancel."

I said, "No, you're going to screw your head back on straight and we're going to go to this meeting, and we're not going to give a damn what the result is one way or the other. But we're going to show up and do our thing."

He had nothing to lose. We went.

Booked our title sponsor.

After all the struggling, what happened was what I knew would happen sooner or later: this sale was easy. No pushing. No persuading. Easy. We walked out with a check.

I stopped him from trying to high-five me in the parking lot. Some of the sponsor's employees were out in the parking lot and you never want them to see you celebrating.

In the truck driving back to his shop, I asked, "What's the difference between an hour ago and now?"

It wasn't the show.

It wasn't the idea.

It was the validation.

He had needed the idea validated. I had not. My expectation had been that it was going to work, and it did.

An hour before, he had been ready to give up.

I had not.

And now he had a check in hand and the world was coming up roses.

I was not that excited. Sure, it was great to get the sale. But not a surprise.

And it happened after the producers, the originators of the idea, were ready to flat-out QUIT. Run away with their tails between their legs and say, legitimately, "Well, we tried."

Let this be a lesson to you.

The next day we went to the last of the appointments our phone prospector had set for us, with a local sports team. They signed up, too.

When we received their logo by email, that was the real payment. Name association. Full validity. The ability to announce our show in the stadium to home crowds of thousands of fans.

Now that they're not going to be First, others have come on board.

But I won't forget how tenuous it was. How these producers nearly dropped everything and didn't go for that one last meeting. It would have been very easy for them to have said they tried everything...they got a phone prospector...they got appointments...they went to the meetings. "But it just didn't work." Riiiiight.

You know what's more important than any of that? The quiet feeling in your gut that this is going to work. That will MAKE you take the actions you need to take to win.

We didn't even have a website. I made one since then. But at the time all we had was a glossy info card with the show on one side and our contact info on the back. And a couple write-ups of the title and caption sponsor spots. Nothing fancy at all.

You don't need fancy. You need to get in front of qualified prospects.

Now there are a bazillion startups out there who would LOVE to be validated and profitable in five weeks or less. For starting up a business, my usual commitment has been three or four MONTHS to get known as the person to talk to about whatever it is, and get it going. So if you're in this position, and you think you're ready to give up after just a couple weeks or even months...you are nowhere near that decision point yet.

We had a good idea. Competent fulfillment. Able sales methods. Good help. And STILL it took five weeks and "overtime" to get the job done. If you are in a lesser position, how can you expect success is going to be instant for you?

I since went back and closed the title sponsor for copywriting and online marketing help...and walked out with a bigger check than we had for the TV sponsorship heh heh.

The question I want you to ask yourself is that one about your gut: do you have that quiet feeling of "Yes, this is going to work" assuredly warming your belly? Because that's really all you need. The rest is just stick-to-it-iveness.

I hope you got something out of this case study, which is a surprise write-up for me...I popped in here and thought, well, why not. And here we are an hour later.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

    You know what's more important than any of that? The quiet feeling in your gut that this is going to work. That will MAKE you take the actions you need to take to win.
    Jason. I read the whole thing. It took some time, but it was worth it.

    The statement I quoted is perhaps the one thing that I find in all legendary salespeople. The quiet confidence that they will get results.

    Welcome to the club.
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    • good job Jason.

      thanks for sharing

      the line I liked - "You don't need fancy. You need to get in front of qualified prospects."


      AND - The question I want you to ask yourself is that one about your gut: do you have that quiet feeling of "Yes, this is going to work" assuredly warming your belly? Because that's really all you need.
      The rest is just stick-to-it-iveness.
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      Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

      good job Jason.

      thanks for sharing

      the line I liked - "You don't need fancy. You need to get in front of qualified prospects."


      AND - The question I want you to ask yourself is that one about your gut: do you have that quiet feeling of "Yes, this is going to work" assuredly warming your belly? Because that's really all you need.
      The rest is just stick-to-it-iveness.
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Jason. I read the whole thing. It took some time, but it was worth it.

      The statement I quoted is perhaps the one thing that I find in all legendary salespeople. The quiet confidence that they will get results.

      Welcome to the club.
      Thanks, guys. People have been saying they want case studies.

      A case study without details isn't a case study, is it...it would be a commercial.

      I hope people get used to concentrating and investing time to learn what they need to learn...there are no quick fixes. Expertise takes time to develop. You don't get it at the push of a button.

      About Fancy...

      We could have tried to go fancy, and create some kind of brochure to send people...maybe even some sort of marketing funnel. But that would have created activity without results: sending out info to people who weren't really interested. Instead, I insisted on two things:

      1. Our phone prospector not send a darn thing by email, and only book face-to-face appointments, so we would spend our energy on serious people

      2. We only offered the four-figure title and caption sponsor spots...not the lower-priced option to simply have a commercial airing in the show. The only things I offered for sale were the two that would pay for the basic costs of getting the show on the air.

      If a prospect wasn't a fit for either of those spots, we'd come back to them later--but move on for now.

      Quick turnaround is what we wanted, and that's what we got.
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    Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post


    About Fancy...

    "F***" fancy.

    Get the money, then build it ... in all its basic butt ugly glory. Then sell more ...

    Fancy should only come after its proven to be sustainable.

    I cant even count the amount of times I have worked with people ready to quit,
    and then have to sell them on their own darn idea ... just to keep them moving forward.
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    Nice one, Jason.

    Excellent job, my man.
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    Great read
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    This is not about "offline", this is about real world, old school sales. You know, the way to really get paid.

    Thanks Jason for another great post.
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    Now that you are a big TV guy, this is your next move: Have your assistant call whoever you want to talk to, tell them Jason Kanigan is calling, and THEN connect you when you are ready.

    Good job on the project.
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    • Profile picture of the author globalpro
      Originally Posted by joe golfer View Post

      Now that you are a big TV guy, this is your next move: Have your assistant call whoever you want to talk to, tell them Jason Kanigan is calling, and THEN connect you when you are ready.
      And I guess when you set up a meet now, your assistant can have 'their people call your people to do lunch'.

      Well done Jason, and great post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Talltom1
    Excellent write up Jason.

    I appreciated the expertise you had and used, to keep somebody from pulling the plug too soon.

    Perhaps you might share how you would evaluate a situation and determine when the time has come to hang up the spurs and go tackle something else.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by Talltom1 View Post

      Excellent write up Jason.

      I appreciated the expertise you had and used, to keep somebody from pulling the plug too soon.

      Perhaps you might share how you would evaluate a situation and determine when the time has come to hang up the spurs and go tackle something else.

      Tom
      If a target market just wasn't responding...prospects kept telling you the same thing over and over, that they just didn't need it. When you had conversations, but they died because what you had to offer wasn't able to resolve a significant issue for them.

      The way I market, this is very unlikely to happen because my offers are all about solving a specific problem for someone.

      Oddly enough, my experience has been the HIGHER you price, the more likely you are to find customers. Low ticket offers have failed more often...I think because people say to themselves, "What good can it do, what quality can it really have, if the seller is so easily convinced to part with it?"

      So price can be a factor, but in the opposite direction most people think.

      Exhausting your resources is another factor. If your budget is spent and you didn't get good results, you can either invest more or move on.

      I do believe just about anything has a market. It's all about the marketing--how you point it at people. Look at Pet Rocks. You can take the same solution, repackage it and call it something else, offer it to a different crowd at a different price, and it can take off. So it comes down to "the list". If you have a lousy target market, no guarantee or feature or copywriting message will make it work. And if you have a pre-qualified list, your odds of succeeding are already good--they are predisposed to want what you've got, so even if your offer is mediocre it can still do well.

      As a failure example, I offered a $10 monthly continuity program with ongoing contests to earn a chance to win my more expensive training. People actually had to make dials and submit their numbers. I made some sales, and nobody wanted a refund because the content was great, but did anyone actually do the work? Nope. Because my "list"...members of this forum (uh oh!)...weren't willing to. So I shut that offer down. Since the investment was around $60 for the WSO and W+ button plus a little of my time, it was still a profitable thing to do. But not the success I had hoped for.

      Does that mean the content and idea are bad, and won't work if I put them in front of, say, car dealership salespeople? People who are motivated to do these tasks, and in fact are already doing them? Would they pay more to be involved? I'm sure they would.

      I have a few other, larger projects I take care of before I retarget that program.
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    awesome post Jason!
    - and from a TV guy myself, the hustle is very very tough lol. Great that you kept going and succeeded!

    Good luck to them on the show!
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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

    The first episode aired. The producers filled the advertising spots with commercials for their own businesses.
    Just curious to pick up on this, it was left hanging. Considering the product is advertising time on the tv show, I was wondering what sort of response the producers got for their own commercials and if that data's being used as case histories to sell ad time?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by misterme View Post

      Just curious to pick up on this, it was left hanging. Considering the product is advertising time on the tv show, I was wondering what sort of response the producers got for their own commercials and if that data's being used as case histories to sell ad time?
      Too soon, it aired on Friday and we picked up the clients on Monday & Tuesday.

      Perhaps going forward we'll have & use that data.

      I am not involved full time with this venture; I helped them to start it up. Frankly, we didn't need stats to sell the top sponsors; numbers are "nice to have" and certainly are the kick over the top for some people (like myself), but it's not the reason all people buy.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Hi Jason,

        You got quite a unique approach in approaching prospects although I personally find it a bit too direct at times.

        I just read the guide in your signature and saw this specific question you ask your prospects:

        "Why do you think someone like me can help you with your project?"

        That's a bit of an odd question to ask if you contact them or would you only ask that if they contact you first? If not then how do you turn the conversation to be able to ask such question?

        I completely get your point though, on regular base I also receive email after email to eventually never hear from them again and then I told them all they need to know, with my job (SEO) it's a bit more complicated as I don't have to explain them all the ins & outs of setting up a private network to rank them, and even if I would I can do it in such way so that they would still have to do a ton of research to not end up with a bunch of crappy domains but still, It sometimes feels like a huge waste of time as often after the first email I'll already have the idea which way it's going. After some time you get a feeling who are the buyers and who are not but somehow I don't have it in me to disqualify them right away.

        I like the questions you reveal later on in your report to disqualitfy them right away so will definitely try that out

        Thanks for all the info you give away, I am not 100% sure if I'm going to pursue it as I'm doubting whether I want to deal with clients in the future or solely rank and bank on sites that I build myself (affiliate and such) so first have to sort that out for myself.

        Cheers,

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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Hi Jason,

          You got quite a unique approach in approaching prospects although I personally find it a bit too direct at times.

          I just read the guide in your signature and saw this specific question you ask your prospects:

          "Why do you think someone like me can help you with your project?"

          That's a bit of an odd question to ask if you contact them or would you only ask that if they contact you first? If not then how do you turn the conversation to be able to ask such question?

          I completely get your point though, on regular base I also receive email after email to eventually never hear from them again and then I told them all they need to know, with my job (SEO) it's a bit more complicated as I don't have to explain them all the ins & outs of setting up a private network to rank them, and even if I would I can do it in such way so that they would still have to do a ton of research to not end up with a bunch of crappy domains but still, It sometimes feels like a huge waste of time as often after the first email I'll already have the idea which way it's going. After some time you get a feeling who are the buyers and who are not but somehow I don't have it in me to disqualify them right away.

          I like the questions you reveal later on in your report to disqualitfy them right away so will definitely try that out

          Thanks for all the info you give away, I am not 100% sure if I'm going to pursue it as I'm doubting whether I want to deal with clients in the future or solely rank and bank on sites that I build myself (affiliate and such) so first have to sort that out for myself.

          Cheers,

          Dennis
          Well that's the first time I've heard MY approach is "too direct"...got a chuckle from it so thanks.

          I want you to ask yourself whether you really want to be your own boss or not, and whether you truly believe in what you're doing or not. Because if you don't, it's going to show in your lack of commitment...and in a few months you'll be looking for a job again. Sorry to be tough, but I've seen this over and over and over again. People who think they can hide away from other people and make money in the Offline world don't make it. Timid = broke. ~Jason "The Big Meanie" Kanigan

          Now as to your question about my question, Why would you want to know the reason(s) your prospect wants to buy from you?

          Perhaps you can answer that for me.

          ...

          I'll say it again: "If they say it, it's true. If you say it, you have to defend it."

          Rather than ME telling THEM why they should hire me...

          Rather than me WONDERING why they'd hire me...

          Rather than ME trying to get their commitment to hire me...

          ...wouldn't it be far better to have THEM say those reasons, and make their own commitment?


          And just for the sake of discussion, What If the reason they say they want your help is something you don't actually do or can't do?

          What if it's SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY WEIRD? ("...I like your goatee...")

          I can hear the klaxons firing now

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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

            Well that's the first time I've heard MY approach is "too direct"...got a chuckle from it so thanks.

            I want you to ask yourself whether you really want to be your own boss or not, and whether you truly believe in what you're doing or not. Because if you don't, it's going to show in your lack of commitment...and in a few months you'll be looking for a job again. Sorry to be tough, but I've seen this over and over and over again. People who think they can hide away from other people and make money in the Offline world don't make it. Timid = broke. ~Jason "The Big Meanie" Kanigan
            That's the question really, do I want to continue making money from the offline world or do I really want to continue without owing responsibility to anyone besides myself. In my business it's simple as this, I sell low budget services and that doesn't include complete site restructuring/designs while that is often needed in the current Google climate.

            If I want to increase my prices I will have to start picking up the telephone and that would also mean they would be able to call me back and thus I would give quite a bit of my freedom away, it's different to answer emails 1 hour a day then being called by phone all day long. Been there done that and it annoyed hell out of me, hence my transition from offline business (shop) into online marketing.


            Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

            Now as to your question about my question, Why would you want to know the reason(s) your prospect wants to buy from you?

            Perhaps you can answer that for me.
            To let them take care of the selling for you indeed, but how do you turn that into the conversation when you call them.


            Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

            I'll say it again: "If they say it, it's true. If you say it, you have to defend it."

            Rather than ME telling THEM why they should hire me...

            Rather than me WONDERING why they'd hire me...

            Rather than ME trying to get their commitment to hire me...

            ...wouldn't it be far better to have THEM say those reasons, and make their own commitment?


            And just for the sake of discussion, What If the reason they say they want your help is something you don't actually do or can't do?

            What if it's SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY WEIRD? ("...I like your goatee...")

            I can hear the klaxons firing now
            Time to hear the claxons as well now
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    Gr8 share. I'm in the TV business. Thx.
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  • Profile picture of the author joe golfer
    Here are a couple ideas for the next show or for anyone doing something similar.

    - Any TV station that was running Seinfeld or Buffy in syndication has ratings and demographic data, possibly even psychographic or zip code data. I think they were pulling your leg, or they are really cheap and don't have it.

    - That said, for a local TV show, you don't need to worry so much about ratings and matching up their audience with the program. The best sponsors in town will buy it because it local. Local TV shows are rare these days. Find the biggest local advertisers in all media and pitch the heck out of the local angle. Once you get a big local advertiser on board, the rest will be easier.

    - Try to get a host that is a locally recognized personality. Could be a weather guy who has retired, a consumer reporter who was laid off, or a local radio person who is comfortable on TV.

    - Tier the pitch into three levels, say Gold, Silver, and Bronze. For the Gold Package, jack up the price and add in lots of low-cost (to you) branding.
    So you get:
    --the TV commercial.
    --the host's mic will have your name on it.
    --you will get primary billing on all promo spots, etc.

    -Offer to record an interview with their CEO or top local manager and run sections of that in the promo spots, and the whole interview on the website.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Quick update: I am more and more involved with this show, we're doing a shoot this morning, and am a producer with it now.

    Our appointments have continued and we have increased all of our prices. The scope of projects has gotten bigger, too: most are now in the mid-4-figure range instead of the low 4-figures at the start. Some potential projects are whole media programs like the client's own infomercials, rather than simply advertising on the show. It's becoming more a media company that has a TV show, rather than just the TV show.

    The other producers and I are pretty amazed at the growth in just a few months.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Jason has gone Hollywood on us now... Before to long he will be pumping out a late night infomercial... We will know for sure when the complete transformation of simple Southern Jason has taken place... when he is wearing shades in his profile pic.


      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Quick update: I am more and more involved with this show, we're doing a shoot this morning, and am a producer with it now.

      Our appointments have continued and we have increased all of our prices. The scope of projects has gotten bigger, too: most are now in the mid-4-figure range instead of the low 4-figures at the start. Some potential projects are whole media programs like the client's own infomercials, rather than simply advertising on the show. It's becoming more a media company that has a TV show, rather than just the TV show.

      The other producers and I are pretty amazed at the growth in just a few months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Something else to think about...

    I have been drafting formal proposals for complex projects since my first job in the power generation field in 1997.

    Yesterday our prospect started reading through my concise 4-page proposal, which explained 3 different options of involvement and outcomes. A few seconds in, he stopped, looked up and exclaimed, "Who wrote this? Did you guys write this?"

    I had spent a couple hours last Friday on it, with one of the other producers helping with the editing.

    "Yeah," I said, "we wrote it."

    "This is the best proposal I've ever seen! Everything's laid out so nicely. You wouldn't believe some of the things people send me."

    I was surprised. This is one of those "Curse of Knowledge" things I have where I know what to do and expect everyone else does, too. But the real point here is this:

    When considering a mid-4-figure and up media project for his medium-sized corporation, do you think presentation skills like this matter? Do you think they tell the prospect, "You can trust these guys with your baby"?

    As for phone calls, we have a skilled prospector to make the initial dials...but for interaction with serious prospects and clients, I'd rather make the call myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
      Jason,

      Any way you slice it, it all comes down to your willingness to have a conversation with another person.

      Had you tried to automate the process with online systems and social media concepts, waiting for them to contact you, it never would have happened.

      Those who avoid talking to another human being are walking away from a ton of money.
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        Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

        Jason,

        Any way you slice it, it all comes down to your willingness to have a conversation with another person.

        Had you tried to automate the process with online systems and social media concepts, waiting for them to contact you, it never would have happened.

        Those who avoid talking to another human being are walking away from a ton of money.
        Never under estimate the power of the word "hello".
        It's made billions ...
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