I'm So Frustrated With Cpa Methods !!!

CPA is pretty much implementing and testing. It's not easy to find a cheap/quality traffic source for campaings. And you have to always be tweeking your campaing to make more money.

If you really want to invest in that area.. you must have a lot of cash. At least $500 to start.. and probably you won't make all $500 back.

Take a look at some sites around.. and don't bother buying CPA ebooks, they all pretty much suck and tell you things that probably 1000 of people are already doing without success.

CPA it's not easy, if you want to invest in PPC put money on it.. and you are probably going to lose a lot of cash on PPC, before you can find something that converts. There is no method that I know that guarantees otherwise.

And nobody is going to tell you exactly how they are making money. If they do they would be creating competition for them in the CPA market. And that is not what they want... and trust me, most peole selling this CPA ebooks are not making as much money as you think they are.

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CPA is a type of offer, not a method

I know several people making tons of money with e-mail submits, it's about volume

Better question - what have you tried already?

I think there is a common perception that the people making money with CPA have something secret they are doing, in general thats not true at all. In general, every single method you hear about, every single traffic source there is, every single strategy can make you money with CPA offers.

There are people making a killing from just videos, other people making a killing from just articles, or just ppc, or media buying, or classifieds, or whatever. So, all these methods you are hearing about DO WORK. Now the tough part is that CPA marketing and building a campaign isnt like opening a LEGO set and just following the directions to put together the LEGO AIRPLANE. When building a campaign you cant just open up a set of directions, have all the pieces in front of you, and then just follow the steps and become a millionaire. Each campaign is different, there are different hurdles, different challenges, different keywords, different competitors. So I can tell you exactly how I built my last campaign and you can still make 0 money if you replicate exactly what I do. Why, because there is undoubtedly going to be something different that comes up and unless you solve or work around it, you will probably just get stuck and not make a dime.

Here is my suggestion...

Dont buy any more products, most methods in the CPA products work, and you already have enough products so you have enough methods to start going. Now, focus on a method and MAKE IT WORK. There are going to be things you dont know at first. Guess what, there are things that are unfamiliar and challenges that the people making $50,000 per day have to make as well. So just focus on a method and solve the challenges.

Setting up a campaign is not a paint by numbers, its an art and mindset more than it is a science. If you want to give up at every hurdle you face, then in all honesty, this industry probably isnt for you. Its a changing, living, breathing, industry and you will always have to make decisions and conquer hurdles.


Sorry if I sound a bit harsh here. I want to help you but the best way for anybody to get ahead is to not complain that something doesnt work, its to make it work. Knowing that people are making a killing with every traffic source shold help motivate you a little. Dont give up.



Now, as I said, dont buy any more products, spend all your time from now on into building campaigns and trying different things. It only takes one tiny success or glimpse of hope to give you the seed to start and build a huge and successful CPA business.

Sorry man, just trying to help. You will see here that this forum has a bunch of great warriors that give pats on the back, encouragement, and great methods and information out for free.

You can soak in all the above and take action and make money or you can choose not to...up to you man

I'm sorry but I just have to say everyone is been too nice and I think you need some roughin up. No one is gonna show you how to make money no one is gonna take you by the hand and put money in your pocket. If you want go get it. You try and try and try and fail and fail and fail till you get it right. Make money from your thinking. I learned that buying WSOs and getting people's help is only a fourth of making money the rest is you thinking out of the box and putting everything to action.

Oh and no one is gonna be that cool if they were millionaires even if they where they probably helped other people and your gonna need to think out of the box.

Sorry if I was a little harsh but its the truth. I think this is the real help right here. A WAKE UP CALL TO STOP COMPLAINING AND START DOING

Moe

I'm sorry if I'm being too simplistic, but the bottom line in cpa is TRAFFIC. The volume of people you put in front of your offer.

Look traffic is what IM is all about. You could sell ice to Eskimos if you put enough Eskimos in front of your Ice offer.

So figure out a way to drive lots of traffic, preferably FREE traffic .

Its a very simple formula with ANYTHING online..........

Traffic = Money

Peace

Easy guys, I dont want anybody to hold my hand when it comes to CPA. I guess I'm kinda of a softy and would help someone if they needed it. What I did want was someone to point me in the right place! Like a good ebook that ''works'' I've tried about 2 ebooks from here and had no luck!

So you can see why I'm frustrated with all this.. Anybody willing to donate a good ebook that helped them alot???

You have to be passionate about this stuff. I mean really hungry. Because a lot of the work involved is a major pain in the arse. If you are not passionate enough, you will quickly lose interest.

Buy a course and do it. Don't half ass it and don't over think it. Just follow exactly what they tell you to do. Alot of guys buy an ebook or course and automatically skip the first parts and try to find the part where the magic secret is revealed. That's why they fail. They don't find it, then complain the ebook or course sucks blah blah blah.

The "secret" is easy. If you want to make it work, out work your competition. If you've tried youtube and it kinda worked, so you then jumped to one other way and it kinda worked, then you simply have not failed enough. You need to fail a lot in order to succeed. Kobe Bryant has hit more game winning shots this season then any other NBA player, he's also TAKEN AND MISSED more game winning shots.

So stop reading forums, stop jumping from one thing to the next, stop searching for the magic pill that marketers are insisting they have, (they don't). Just do it. If you've only done one or two campaigns, you've only scratched the surface of what you need to do to succeed. Do 1 or 2 per DAY. Pick ONE thing and do it 100% for a month. Don't get sidetracked, don't read anything else, just do that one thing. Yes you will fail but in failing you will have some success too.

At the end of the day, I think most newbies or people that havent hit anythign gold yet underestimate the power of mindset in CPA marketing. Its not the most brilliant or techy people that make the most money, its the people that are driven and have a mindset that doesnt allow them quit, doesnt allow them give up at the first obstacle.

Its such a mental game. PPC Coachs advice is great, take it, use it, implement it!

or if its not too secretive, just post it here for all us to make comments. Really dont like to see fellow New Jersians not doing well haha

CPA is one of those things you will have to experiment with as there is no solid way of approaching it. You need to find what people want. If you're using YouTube, you need to be at the top of the search rankings to see results. To achieve this, you need to do more than upload a video and leave it. 10-20 hits per day will do nothing. You need at least 100-200. CPA with YouTube will convert 1 in 100-200. So if you have 10-20 hits per day, that's hardly enough.

You need views, proper tags, comments, rankings. The competition is fierce on YouTube and without the proper tools you'll get nowhere.

Ask Bravo75 to teach you, he is one of the generous one here. Not stingy on his methods and he can even tell you everything that he does on his campaign. No need for WSO, all of those just waste your time, money and always crush your hope. He even show you his landing page etc etc...go ahead and PM him or Look for his Thread. So far IMHO he is the real deal here in this CPA forum.

You've hit the nail squarely on the head. Think! if someone had a method that works really well, why would they sell it? either out of sheer greed or it doesn't work but looks good on paper (or screen). All of the "success gurus" have become rich by selling others 'how to get rich'. You don't see Branson, Buffet or Gates selling webinars and ebooks, do you. You do see them giving out free advice and encouragement, why? I am a day trader, make a living by it but also run a blog about trading. I do advertise what I think is useful and make a few bucks in commission, but I don't count it as income, it's beer money (or music money in my case as I don't drink), the info is all free.
As for CPA, I have found only 1 guy here who speaks about in a way that makes sense, but he's not a guru and is selling nothing. What worked for me is PPC, just find a good ad, copy it and test it for 10 bucks, works? plough more dosh into it, doesn't work find another. Think articles, let's say you find a hot trend and write a good article, by the time it gets approved, it's not so hot, never mind. Lets say your CTR is high 1% and you get 5000 views over a week (ok, some pigs can fly), so 50 punters hit your offer, another 1% buy so if you're lucky 1 conversion done.
If you have a popular blog, you can hyper link relevant offers in the body of the article instead of zemanta stuff, you may pay your hosting bill that way.
You can email all your friends, tell them how frustrated you are and ask them to fill in the free offers
Finally PPV - here you can lose your pants fast, with all the demographic sh&^&^&t etc, but if you take it site at a time, get 100 views and see if any convert.
Bottom line it;s not easy and there are finite ways to drive traffic. Let's face it, what do you do with popunder of popup, swear under your breath and close it, like 99% of punters.

iamx I know how you feel about all of the pat on your back advice. It can be frustrating for sure. But only so much information can be passed on a forum like this. A face to face with a coach and mentor would be ideal but without that you just have to continue the good fight testing and trying until it starts to make sense. There is also an element to marketing that is tough to teach. This has to do with learning how people think and make decisions. The better you relate to a demographic the more likely you can reach them with your marketing efforts. I am still struggling with getting inside the mind of my targets and how to reach them but it gets better the more you try.

Every time I fail I think about what I didn't try or do well and then try that next and do it better than the last time. Every campaign gets a little easier to setup and every time I try I have new ideas to test.

Good luck!

There's just no getting around falling off a bike a few times
YOURSELF - even after having watched and studied the
kids around the block who aced it - and learning from your
own experinece.

Think about it bro.

When you wanted to learn how to drive, did you suddenly
learn how to drive because you drove with your mum or
dad or saw other people do it?

doubt it.

You can LEARN that something is possible, but you can't
instantly EXPERIENCE something until YOU get behind that
wheel and miss a stop sign, or make a wrong turn, or go
over the speed limit...etc

And until you do, you will always know something is possible,
but never have actually experienced through your own trial
and error.

Give yourself some credit. Your taking action, but you can't
whine about failure. Just analyze why what your doing isn't
working, and figure out a solution or find it elsewhere.

I lost a crapload of money just testing stuff...it sucks but I found out what did not work.
Now I know which methods work I can minimalize my losses since I already know what methods work and which methods dont work.

Its not rocket science but to make money you will have to spend money.

You know what to get started the best thing to do is start with CPV. Its simple as long as you are tracking and you have the money to invest you can make some serious money. As anything else it still takes time and effort to make a campaign profitable. But I know some noobs that are doing some decent numbers in cpv and have been in the business for less than 6 months. Hit me up if you need some guidance man!

Hey I got your PM's but I couldnt reply back! If you get a chance hit me up on skype. Marketingjessie.

Key Kenster! I am from Central NJ too! I'd love to buy you a cup of coffee or a beer and chat sometime.

Hey iamx,

Since the YouTube videos thing doesn't seem to be working out all that well, why don't you let us see a few of your videos it could be....

1. You're title doesn't have keywords that get searched a lot

2. You should try to use the same tags as popular videos to get in the suggestion box of a popular video (I'm certain there's more to it but getting in the suggestion box for a popular video is definitely going to help)

3. I've never tried this but have you ever tried to do a video response to a very popular video---that could drive traffic to your video...I actually had a friend do this and he swears that it gave traffic to his own videos a boost

Hard to say why your marketing on YouTube isn't working without actually seeing the videos and/or page your driving traffic to

I figure it won't be that much of an issue for you to share being that it's not really working for you anyway but obviously you'll be the one who has to decide if you're comfortable with showing people your campaign.

I was waiting for you to email that ebook you were talking about by the way lol

I'm going to start trying my luck with promoting CPA offers with YouTube soon but I want to get all my ducks in a row.

I hate to say it, but even if I gave you a successful campaign, told you what ads to use, what keywords, what sites to target, ect, there is no guarantee that you will make it profitable. It just doesnt work that way.
Like someone mentioned earlier you have to test and test and test. Go in with the mindset that YES you are going to spend money on traffic and not get an initial monetary return. What you are paying for is the data you need to make it all work. Dont get frustrated after a couple days of testing with no positive ROI. Examine your data and use that to make the right moves.
No one can give you 100% full proof method to making money. We can help guide you in the right direction.

Youtube can work really well for cpa conversion if done correctly.

how are you using it? do you have an example video?

send a link and ill see whats going on.

BTW 15 views per day is not enough to tell if you have a winner or not just yet.

Don't get disappointed .. Just stop buying more products now and start implementing. No one can tell you the exact method . Even i'm digging my head into CPA so i can understand your mental status.. Till now i've tried 2-3 methods (no conversion from them) but then too i'm trying. making some changes in them. See ,usually all basic info is available for free rest is your creativity.. you'll have to think how can you get traffic and all..

We just can't expect anyone to reveal their secrets.. they are successful 'coz of their creativity and we've to apply ours. And even if anyone is ready to help you then too if you want to be in internet marketing for long time then you'll have to implement your ideas,strategies..

I'm also learning (thanks warriors for this) testing failing again learning and so on.. but,i know i'll succeed one day so you'll if you try..

Instead of CPA, try to build a business, something you love.

CPA is not for everyone, failing is your #1 priority. 1/100 or 1/5 time you succeed, if you cannot hold out til that 1000th try, then don't bother with CPA.

I'm making money now... I was just having a rough week when I wrote this! ;/

I was able to learn from my mistakes and improve from it, that was key..

Testing, learning, split testing, not quitting..............the keys to success.

how much would you spend to test an offer?

How would you determine an offer is not working, scrap it and move on?

CPA is a frustrating market to get into.

There are only handful of people who really knows what they're talking about and teach what they do in order to earn money in this forum. If you can sort that part out and stick with those guys and implement what you've learn from them-then yes you may make money!

Unfortunately, this forum is filled with WSO creators (AKA-copiers-rehashed-recycle info product producers)who sell info products to make a living and never used their "secret money making methods". I would say 99% of the WSO section is garbage-rehashed and most importantly wrong or missing information which leads you to dead end.

If you can go back to first page of this thread, you'll see bunch of guys who falls into the group that I mentioned above. They've posted bunch of info with their WSO links, trying to sell you their rehashed garbage.

I can PM you few names if you want to learn more about people who sell real stuff without missing-garbage info, very few people anyway.

To me it seems like PPC is the best way to go with CPA.

If you've ever followed the cpa training of guys like Steve Iser and Alen Sultanic they teach not so much about testing but "spying" on your competition. Let them spend the money to test and you jump on the successful campaigns ( which they teach you how to find).

Steve's on the forum I'm not sure about Alen.