PeerFly - iPad/iPhone offer

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Is anyone else here promoting this offer on PeerFly Free iPad or iPhone (1821) It's a 2 field submit which converts on 1st page.

Ive been promoting it via offline flyer marketing. Ive outsourced it twice already to people in the US to put flyers in colleges but ive had no conversions.

Ive also got a 3rd outsourcer at another college who put some out around 6 hours ago but still there is no conversions coming. Does this indicate it's likely being scrubbed?

Ive even got a 4th outsourcer handing more out in about 12 hours but im doubtful that will produce anything either.

Im using a memorable .com domain so it's not like people have to type in a lengthy url to get to the offer.

Ive checked the report and there has been 55 clicks but no conversions so people are going to the link.

I should have changed to a different offer when the first 2 campaigns produced no conversions but the thought of scrubbing didn't occur to me then plus the flyer had been already designed.

Gotti3636 a Warrior member, who wrote a WSO on this method claimed he is earning $1,000-$3000 a day with this method. Of course i didn't expect to reach that level with a few campaigns but with no conversions at all, something is wrong. Ive spent $53 on outsourcing costs which is, money down the drain.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Pro
    I actually used that exact one but I used the youtube method. I feel with offers that are less then ten dollars I do not try offline. I feel the youtube worked for me because there was a quick link underneath and it was real easy for the customer to fill out the form.
    With offline they have to remember or take it home. There is too much time between seeing the ad and converting.

    If it was something like weight loss that someone would thinking about constantly, the conversions would be higher.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by IM Pro View Post

      I actually used that exact one but I used the youtube method. I feel with offers that are less then ten dollars I do not try offline. I feel the youtube worked for me because there was a quick link underneath and it was real easy for the customer to fill out the form.
      With offline they have to remember or take it home. There is too much time between seeing the ad and converting.

      If it was something like weight loss that someone would thinking about constantly, the conversions would be higher.
      The thinking behind this method though is for people to do the offer on the college computers, this is what is taught in the WSO anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author sith005
    I am not familiar with the WSO you mentioned, but I tend to agree about the offline marketing vs payout. What kind of costs are you seeing between creating the flyers and paying your outsourced people, etc? Ultimately, if you look at the payout of $1.40, you don't have a lot of room. I'm not saying it can't be done, far from it. I'm just thinking about what you have to work with.

    Scrubbing could definitely become a problem. Unfortunately a lot of the free iPad type offers have been hit a lot, and as such they've had their share of junk traffic and traffic in general. I guess maybe if you are hitting offline users, the chance of them already submitting is lower, but in any case I'd rotate the offer. You can find a number of free iPad offers across networks. Target your add to the iPad part, and then rotate the offer on the back end if possible.

    I've had a little success with the free iPad offers using article marketing and such. Not nearly what people were getting when these offers first hit back in the beginning of the year though.

    I hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by sith005 View Post

      I am not familiar with the WSO you mentioned, but I tend to agree about the offline marketing vs payout. What kind of costs are you seeing between creating the flyers and paying your outsourced people, etc? Ultimately, if you look at the payout of $1.40, you don't have a lot of room. I'm not saying it can't be done, far from it. I'm just thinking about what you have to work with.

      Scrubbing could definitely become a problem. Unfortunately a lot of the free iPad type offers have been hit a lot, and as such they've had their share of junk traffic and traffic in general. I guess maybe if you are hitting offline users, the chance of them already submitting is lower, but in any case I'd rotate the offer. You can find a number of free iPad offers across networks. Target your add to the iPad part, and then rotate the offer on the back end if possible.

      I've had a little success with the free iPad offers using article marketing and such. Not nearly what people were getting when these offers first hit back in the beginning of the year though.

      I hope this helps.
      The only other network im with is Adscend Media but they're payouts for email submits seem generally low (below $1) so i'll look on PeerFly for another similar offer.

      I don't print the flyers myself, the outsourcers do this. All the campaigns apart from one ive outsourced on Fiverr so id need only 4 conversions to break even and earn a very small profit.

      The WSO makes it sound like college students flock to the computers to fill out the offer like moths to a flame, when in reality it's not like that. Hopefully it is being scrubbed actually, at least that would explain why there isn't any conversions and i may find an offer which converts eventually.

      How do advertisers determine if the traffic is 'junk traffic' though? And when actually does the scrubbing take place? Does the system check the quality of traffic or something before firing the pixel to record a conversion.
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  • Profile picture of the author sith005
    There are others here that definitely know more than I do, but ultimately there are a few issues based on my understanding. First off, these submits should convert on the initial 1-2 line submit as they state. So if a user puts their e-mail address in, you should get a conversion. However, over time, as these are promoted like crazy, they get a ton of data. As you can see by the offer, for the company to make any money, they need the traffic to go through and complete x numer of silver offers, x number of gold offers, etc.

    Often people will put their e-mail in and then quit somewhere between that point and actually completing all the requirements. As such, very few leads become conversions for the advertiser. This is why the payouts are typically low (1-3 dollar range). I've tested offers I was promoting by going clear through the personal info submit page and other offer pages and not gotten credit. So I'm not sure if that is scrubbing or flat out shaving.

    But ultimately leads can be scrubbed if they already have the e-mail address in their system, etc. Basically if the traffic you are sending is not really converting for them, they will compare this with info they have in the system, and continue to do this and look further back into their history of collected leads. If the info you are collecting matches anything they have, they may scrub your lead, not give you credit for it.

    This is my understanding, and my be a bit off base, FWIW.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freeman77
    55 clicks and no conversions is not unusual, depending on the offer. Like you, I would expect the conversion rate to be somewhat high due to the fact that the people are making the effort to visit the site. However, these college students may be more savvy than to expect a free iPad for their email.

    I doubt that scrubbing is the issue here. It's possible that a conversion doesn't take place until a visitor scrolls through at least a couple of the offers (most networks will list this info). I've tested certain zip submits that had terrible conversion rates - I didn't attribute it to scrubbing, but just poor performance.

    Fortunately, you can simply change the offer. You will probably lose money if this is your first attempt at this, but maybe you'll learn something that will help you refine the process. I personally would not promote zip submits via flyers unless I encountered some super cheap distribution system.
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  • Profile picture of the author nitivation
    The iPad iPhone offers work well with online methods such as youtube since the target audience is more technical and technology-savy. They would want to complete the offer.
    Scrubbing is not the issue.

    As sith005 said:
    "Often people will put their e-mail in and then quit somewhere between that point and actually completing all the requirements. As such, very few leads become conversions for the advertiser."
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by Freeman77 View Post

      55 clicks and no conversions is not unusual, depending on the offer. Like you, I would expect the conversion rate to be somewhat high due to the fact that the people are making the effort to visit the site. However, these college students may be more savvy than to expect a free iPad for their email.

      I doubt that scrubbing is the issue here. It's possible that a conversion doesn't take place until a visitor scrolls through at least a couple of the offers (most networks will list this info). I've tested certain zip submits that had terrible conversion rates - I didn't attribute it to scrubbing, but just poor performance.

      Fortunately, you can simply change the offer. You will probably lose money if this is your first attempt at this, but maybe you'll learn something that will help you refine the process. I personally would not promote zip submits via flyers unless I encountered some super cheap distribution system.
      About 12 hours ago i changed it to this offer - Better-Gifts - Free Apple iPad (1282) It's had 3 clicks so far.

      Gotti3636 said that if you spend $10 on this method outsourcing then you should usually expect to earn about $100.

      To earn this amount, you'd need about 66 conversions from a $1.50 offer. It doesn't seem realistic at all, as it's hard even just to get 1 conversion.

      Originally Posted by nitivation View Post

      The iPad iPhone offers work well with online methods such as youtube since the target audience is more technical and technology-savy. They would want to complete the offer.
      Scrubbing is not the issue.

      As sith005 said:
      "Often people will put their e-mail in and then quit somewhere between that point and actually completing all the requirements. As such, very few leads become conversions for the advertiser."
      Does the pixel only fire then and produce a conversion if the person completes all the required offers?

      I assumed that the conversion was made when someone filled in their email address then submitted.

      If this is the case, how do people do well with the poll method? There must be loads of people who answer polls and fill out their email address but don't complete the required offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author WilliamLark
    i do this same offer through a Fan Page with my Fb Viral Script Pro on it that leads users to my Opt-in on my site than CPA Ad.
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    • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
      Personally I think those offline cpa offers at colleges are a waste of time, I tested out some stuff and nothing, from iphone/pad, grants, gift cards etc. No conversions, and I have no problem writing ad copy for offline as I did plenty of it for another business I owned. But in South FL at least, colleges are swamped with people promoting stuff with flyers... from parties, to music venues, to whatever.. last thing a student wants is another flyer lol. I know when I was a student I would junk flyers even for free offers lol.

      I don't think that strategy is near as effective as it once was in the past/previous years. And if you outsource it, you'll be out money, I've seen snippets of "guru's" and I don't know where some come up with cost that would = china labor cost lol, it's way more expensive, and somehow they get magically cheap paper cost, ink cost.
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Originally Posted by QuickSurf View Post

        Personally I think those offline cpa offers at colleges are a waste of time, I tested out some stuff and nothing, from iphone/pad, grants, gift cards etc. No conversions, and I have no problem writing ad copy for offline as I did plenty of it for another business I owned. But in South FL at least, colleges are swamped with people promoting stuff with flyers... from parties, to music venues, to whatever.. last thing a student wants is another flyer lol. I know when I was a student I would junk flyers even for free offers lol.

        I don't think that strategy is near as effective as it once was in the past/previous years. And if you outsource it, you'll be out money, I've seen snippets of "guru's" and I don't know where some come up with cost that would = china labor cost lol, it's way more expensive, and somehow they get magically cheap paper cost, ink cost.
        I don't have a clue how Gotti3636 is making $1000-3000 per day from this method then. Maybe outsourcing it to a lot of colleges increases the chances of conversions but then the outsourcing costs would also increase vastly.

        I thought this method sounded to good to be true, just create a flyer then send it to an outsourcer then watch the money roll in. College students generally aren't thick, they know that they won't get a shiny new iPad delivered to them for nothing and they'll have to complete about 13 offers.

        The problem with email/zip CPA offers, there's only so many that would be appealing to students. There's iPad/iPhone and gift cards. What else is there? I can't think of anything which would be more broadly appealing.
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        • Profile picture of the author sith005
          Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

          I thought this method sounded to good to be true, just create a flyer then send it to an outsourcer then watch the money roll in.
          Yeah, your instincts are usually a pretty good indicator. But we tend to ignore them. I bought a ton of WSO's and such knowing that it is either probably BS, or way more complicated than the sales page states. In the end hindsight is 20/20. But if you make 0 money, you still learn something so that is always important.

          Regarding college students, think a bit outside of the box too. Dating, health/muscle building, gaming, TV/movies/media, make money/bus op - all these can work with that demographic depending. I'm not entirely certain how they would all do with offline promotion, but the offers can definitely work.
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