My Copy Formula that gets me 3% covnersion rates

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IMPORTANT: I am not affiliating anything. I am not promoting anything. I am not selling anything, unless you happen to be interested in awesome art courses, which I doubt you are.

Here is how I write sales copies that have a steady 3% conversion rate. I think that’s pretty good for the art industry. I sell my art courses. Masterpaintingnow.com is my site, where you can find examples of my sales copies for reference purposes. They can be applied to any product. They are not limited to art courses.

Before I share my secrets, you should know why a good sales copy is so important. Before I had a sales copy, my sales conversion rates were below 1%. That blows. No wonder I wasn’t making good money. After making a quick sales copy, my sales rates went up, even though the copy was, blah. Any sales copy is better than nothing is what I learned.

After I wrote a good sales copy, my sales jumped to a steady 3% and have remained so. This is for each course, which has a separate sales copy.

So, yes, learn to write a sales copy. It is better than just INFO about your product. Look, people buy mostly based on emotions, so you need to cater to their emotions. People want to know “what’s in it for me?” It is all me, me , me.

That’s what I did. I learned to write sales copies. I am already a writer. I have sold short stories to magazines, written 6 novels, a good handful of screenplays, etc. I have several published articles under different pseudonyms. I also used to be a top sales person. That honestly was enough to write a good sales copy.

Nonetheless, I studied several sources on sales copies, starting with the free stuff, like “Write Sales Copies That Sell.” Several websites, threads, etc. I bought a few WSOs.

I applied what I learned. The sales copy did pretty well, about 2% on average, but…
What brought my sales copies to the steady 3% conversion rates was writing in a casual style as if I were right there face to face, right there selling them something. Basically, I applied everything I learned about door-to-door sells, selling Cut-Co knives, Kirby Vacuums, etc.

I try to keep my sales copies on the shorter end. Hell, my shortest copy is for my most expensive product $39.95, an art course bundle. It is selling like crazy. Right now the sales copy and video conversion rate is 19%, but that will drop once most of my dedicated fans have stopped buying. I wouldn’t be surprised though if this one has a 4% steady rate after the NEW course hype dies down.

Okay, so, here it is. I follow a simple outline, and within that outline, I keep a casual voice. I talk to them like they are a good friend. I am a real person, so why shouldn’t I sound real? If I say something ungrammatical, then so be it. That is how I talk in person.

Formatting: I keep it simple.

Headline H1, centered, dark red, not the bright ugly red.

Every few paragraphs, I highlight important info. H2, dark red, centered. I think this keeps readers reading.

For the rest of the text, I use black, H5. If I want to highlight an important phrase, I use dark red and bold. I never use yellow highlights. I find them tacky. This might work for other markets, but I think artists, go yuck! I will still try it in a split test, though.

1. I start with a catchy headline that appeals to their needs or wants in an emotional way. Honestly, the best way to convert someone in a debate is using the logical fallacy of appealing to emotions. Sure, you might lose the debate in the eyes of the debate judges, but you will convert more people. Here is a sample of my latest headline for my latest course. “Stop Wasting Your Time With Lame Tutorials and Finally Learn How to Draw Anything From Your Imagination.” It is hard to appeal to an artist’s need to sell them an art course. I could say, Make Great Money as a Pro Artist with this 60 hour Course Bundle for Under $40. That is a headline I will be testing, or something like it.

2. I actually skip introducing myself, which doesn’t seem to be the norm. I introduce myself just a bit later. At this stage, I tease them with more appeal to emotions. Like the blurb of a novel or something. I want to draw them in before I introduce myself. I hint at the problem and solution to that problem.

With this particular copy, I did it like this—

3. Next, I share a testimony or two. Why? Because people will believe a testimony or second hand info in a story form before they will believe scientific or logical information or facts. This has been proven with many blind tests. It’s because the testimony appeals to emotions. We are emotions creatures and make most decisions based on our emotions.

4. Then I share a before and after picture, to show how much one of my students improved after taking my course. For other products, you could use a similar type of image. For weight loss, or muscle building, you could use a before and after pic of yourself or a student, to show how much weight they lost or muscle they gained. For a marketing product, you could show before and after stats of sales. How much money made before and made after using the product.

5. Then I introduce myself briefly with showing a fault about myself. Sometimes, I do this before I share the before and after picture. Here is an example.

6. Then I talk a bit more about myself. This is the why they should care about anything I have to say. I am a professional illustrator and art instructor who makes good money doing what I love.

7. Now I clearly lay out the problem and partly the solution.

Example from the same sales copy I have been quoting from.

8. Now I share more about myself. I share a short story about my how I couldn’t draw from my imagination, how I couldn’t get a job as an artist, et c. Then how my solution got me a job in art. How my solution got me drawing from my imagination, but I still only hint at the solution.

9. Then, if I can, I like to offer a free lesson if they will stick with me just a bit longer. I always keep my promises. If I say it is a free lesson, then that is exactly what it is. Don’t claim you will do something and not do it. Always be honest. Don’t claim the deal expires at midnight unless it actually expires at midnight. If I ever see that an offer expires at midnight, I wait. If it is still there the next day, I don’t buy, even if I really want to buy. They are dishonest, so how can I trust their product is going to work?

10. I list benefits of the art course. I make these emotional, not just information. I don’t say, this course teaching you to draw figures like never before. I say things like “you’re going to advance quickly,” “you’re going to draw awesome figures,” “you’re going to land that art job.” If you can, mention the benefits of how it will help their needs and desires. Don’t just say, “This program will make you lose weight.” Say, “Watch the weight fall off and the hotties start asking for your number.” Or something like that.

11. I like to mention how awesome they will feel when they can finally draw from their imagination. At this point, my story I told of my transformation becomes their story. They should now feel like with my course they can make that same transformation, but I am sure they have concerns and doubts. What is holding them back from scrolling down and just buying right now?

12. I start to address these concerns.
Example:

I also use a little trick I carried over from screenwriting, the ellipsis. I think it adds tension, just like it does in a screenplay.

13. Next, I briefly mention what the get. This is what is in the course. Because this is boring, I keep it as short as possible. INFO = Boring.

14. Then I build up the value.
Example:

I am always honest about the value. I never falsely inflate it to try to get more sales. I want my sales to be honest. Look, they are going to buy and watch the course. They are going to know if it isn’t actually worth $10,000 dollars. I see marketers inflate value to the point of dishonesty all the time. Don’t do it if you want repeat sales.

15. After I have shown the TRUE value of everything they are getting, including the value of all the bonuses, then I drop the price on them.

Example:

16. Then I explain why and how I can offer such a good rate. Sometimes, I show why I am taking all the risks. Other times, I just leave it implied. In this sales copy, I left it implied.

17. Then I make a call to action. I use a little trick here. Throughout the copy, I have called it my course, then the course, and now, when I make a call to action, I say, buy your course now. I call it there course, transferring the ownership to them.
Also, using the word NOW is important. It is urgent.

18. Either before or after the first price mention, I give a sense of urgency. In this case, the 39.95 price is only for the first 100 people. I always keep my word. After 100 people, I will raise the price. Always be honest. It is best for repeat customers. Don’t get a bad rep of being dishonest. If they know it is real, then the next time I make an offer, when I email buyers who joined my newsletter, they will know the price will go up.

19. Next I write a P.S. As part of my P.S. message, I drop a true fact on them.

20. Another call to action. I always use text not buttons. I always have the buy text say, Click Here to buy your new course now. Or something like that.

Why I feel it is better than a call to action than a buy button is because, I feel like it is two steps they must go through. Read the call to action, then check out the button to click on it. You are saying, Buy now for ONLY $39.95. Then there is a buy now button. I think it is distracting. But I need to split test buttons VS no buttons.

21. I like to end with a “still not convinced?” sentence. In this case I remind them of my promise, the free lesson.

I understand that it isn’t good to lead them away from the sales copy, but in this case, I think it works because, anyone that gets this far is still not ready to buy. They go watch the free video lesson. They see it improve their art. At the end of that free lesson is a call to action and a link back to the video version of the sales copy.

One last thing. I have had great success with making a video version of the sales copy and embed it in the copy to play automatically. I write in big text that they can pause the video the mute the sound, if they prefer reading.

In fact, video sales copies have an even higher conversion rate for me. I am not sure exactly how much yet because not enough data, but no doubt, it is higher.

Thanks for reading. I hope this helps you make more money.
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  • Banned
    Write out 100 times -

    "sales copy" not " sales copy", "video sales" or "sales ".

    In fact just plain "" will do. "Copy" means "sales copy". Written by a "Copywriter". To make sales.

    Good luck with your "covnersion rates".
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  • I want to be precise as possible and not use any form of short hand. I hate when I am trying to learn something as a newb, and the teacher is talking genre jargon without defining it. Like when a market says IM and just expects a newb to know that means internet marketing, or when they talk about OTO as if the newb should know that means One Time Offer.

    A sales copy is proper. You wouldn't write. check out sales copy, when you mean to say, check out a sales copy.

    It's a good idea to know for sure you are correct about something before trying to correct someone. :p
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    • Sales copy (or just copy) is a kind of writing like poetry or prose. You would never say A poetry or A prose. It's just poetry or prose or (sales) copy.

      You could say "check out MY sales copy" or "check out THIS sales copy."

      A little humility is in order. A simple "oops, my bad" would be fine. Just friendly advice to keep the hyenas from descending upon you.

      If you don't heed it, all I can say is run Art Boy, RUN!
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      Gee here I've been writing copy for a hundred years and I didn't know it was "a copy".

      Now go stand in the corner you moron.
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      Do try putting a capital C at the start of a sentence please.

      Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear - another clown climbed out of his box.

      Apart from the fact your thread is saying nothing new whatsoever, these tactics having been described a thousand times here before, your thread appears to be nothing more that a cheap shot at spamming the forum.

      Self promotion, it's against the rules here btw - just thought you should know.

      Too, don't you perhaps think that maybe, just maybe, a very large number of the top copywriters here who each have generated huge amounts of money for their respective clients over the years, might just have shared some of their copywriting knowledge here before? Would this thought pattern ever have occurred to you? Just wondering, you know?

      You ain't saying anything new here. It's all elementary basic stuff. And like I said above you really do need to stop spamming the forum.

      If you are going to teach others here the art of writing sales copy, at least have the courtesy to make up a product out of thin air rather than blatantly promoting your own product.

      As regards: TheCopyNazi (Malcolm Lambe) - he's been in the copywriting trenches far longer than you have - decades in fact. His experience and knowledge of copywriting is extraordinary bordering on genius. Enough said.

      Telling him off as a complete newbie is merely embarrassing yourself and just making yourself look, well, to put it bluntly, hellishly bloomin' stupid.

      Especially when you can't get things right yourself.

      Ever heard of the expression?... Stop looking for a splinter in somebody elses eye when you already have a rafter in your own eye. You ever heard this expression?

      Here, take a look in the mirror...

      What do you see?

      Conduct yourself with more finesse in this forum and you might actually learn a thing or two. Which simple fact should go without saying.

      Btw you want to get really pedantic? Really? Great thread title, shame you couldn't even spell 'conversion' properly. :rolleyes:

      It's 'conversion' NOT 'covnersion'.

      Duhhh.


      Mark Andrews
  • What kind of offers do you promote that get 3% conversion? Because to be honest that's a really low %. Most websites I've worked with that didn't even have any real copy would still sell at 1-3%. So depending on what kind of products your selling... 3% could be decent. or 3% could be really crappy.

  • LOL... this sorta stuff cracks me up.... not sure what planet you're on where sites with no copy get 3% conversion... but in the real world, on planet earth... if someone's got an offer doing 3% on cold traffic they're doing 7 figures a year, easy.
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    • Whats your definition of cold traffic?

    • Yeah, if I could get that from cold untargetted traffic, that would be awesome. I get it from targetted traffic. However, I am sure some of the traffic that lands on my sales copies is untargetted traffic, but that cannot be prevented. For example, anyone from this thread that visits one of my ssles copies is untargetted. I still calculate their visits into my conversion rates, though.

      I am working on optimising a facebook campaign right now. If all goes as planned, I will share that knowledge in another thread. Once you get an ad that pulls in more money than spent, money, baby. Booya!

      The problem is, the very targeted people on facebook for art, leaves me with only like 200,000 people to advertise to. I am working on a CPC campaign.
  • conversion rates mean nothing without visitor value ... what kind of visitor value do you get with your sales copy?
  • OMF. My eyes are in pain. If you want to increase the "conversions" of your OP, please make the font larger.
  • That's the best thing I've seen on the Internet.

    EVER.

















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    • You just can't admit when you're wrong, can you?

      It's not jargon, it's correct and idiomatic English, as spoken by educated native English speakers.

      Here are the facts:

      You do not use a singular indefinite article with "sales copy":

      "The Copy Nazi wrote a sales copy" is ALWAYS incorrect and brands you as either uneducated or a non-native speaker.

      You may use a plural indefinite article:

      "The Copy Nazi wrote some sales copy for me"

      You may use a definite article with "sales copy":

      "The Copy Nazi wrote the sales copy for my product" or "My sales copy was crap until I got a professional to do the job right"

      "Sales copy" (or salescopy) is both singular and plural. "The Copy Nazi wrote the sales copy for my first product. He also wrote the sales copy for my next twelve products."

      "Sales copies" is NEVER correct. It brands you as either uneducated or a non-native speaker.

      Perhaps this little grammar lesson will help a few of the non-native writers out there.
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      Pardon me pointing out a few more errors since you seem so hell bent on pointing the finger at others...

      It's targeted ya ruddy great goofball not 'targetted'. :rolleyes:

      'Targetted' is not in the English dictionary.

      Do you want me to pull your rafter out now or the carpet from underneath your feet?

      At least learn to spell before open openly criticizing others.

      Hint, when you see a red squiggly line underneath a word, bar copywriting, it's because you've usually spelled something incorrectly.

      Should've gone to Specsavers.


      Mark Andrews
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    • well, they do work hand in hand BUT for starters you can earn more with a high visitor value and lower conversion rates, than with high conversion rates and lower visitor value
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    • Just fyi, I never said VV was more important, my statement was:
      Your free tutorials are there to make you money in the end, right? so I do not understand why it is odd to you

      Bottom line, the only number that really matters is the number with $$ attached to it

      But congrats on the $1 per visitor value!! that is amazing and thanks for sharing your post with us.
  • So, you can really teach me how to make a art? I looked at your site and you have good arts.

    I hope my arts will look as good as yours some day.
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  • You people that get really annoyed by spelling and grammar mistakes annoy the hell out of me! One guy up there being abusive and calling this guy a moron, he's trying to add value and instead of reading it you judge his spelling, sad, really sad, get a life boys.
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      "Trying to add value" and failing miserably.

      BTW you do realize that correct spelling and grammar are part and parcel of a copywriter's life don't you? Or would you prefer me to write -

      "Yous reeleyes that Granma and spellin are part and pacel of a copy writes life?"
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    • You have nearly 800 posts, yet you've only been "thanked" by other users 3 times... It's fairly evident that you know absolutely nothing about "adding value" to a forum.
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  • You can't buy my art. However, you can buy one of my art courses. At least you know that most people don't say "arts." That's good. But you still don't get that most people say "a sales copy" and "sales copies."

    It really doesn't matter what you believe about my qualifications for teaching what techniques work for me and will most likely work for others. The fact is, they work well.

    I can't wait to see what my new sales copy ends up pulling in.


    P.S. When you can show me that non-copywriters write like sales copy is both a singular and plural, and never use "a sales copy," let me know.
  • Pusaturi, well until you actually get digital versions of them, where you can search "a sales copy" then you can't be sure, but that is another matter. You still asked a good question.

    The answer is for the same reason in philosophy book after philosophy book, you will see them use words differently than the "public" uses them, such words as "knowledge."

    There are many words used differently in different areas of study. This is jargon.

    What about this point, though? If you were trying to sell a pestle to an audience that all pronounced it with the "T," would you pronounce it without the "T?"

    I think you wouldn't make as many sales if so.

    I remember when I used to debate religion a lot, and I learned to read Hebrew. I would hear people say Moses. I got so into my little world of Judaism that I said his name properly. Moshe. This didn't work well when talking with Christians. Who's Moshe? I sounded odd to them.

    I learned it is best to talk the way my audience talks, especially if I am trying to sell to them. I'm an atheist, but I do recall Paul saying become all things to all people. I am pretty sure that means the same thing as I am trying to convey.

    Just look at how many non-copywriters that come to this section of the forum use "a sales copy" or "sales copies." Why do you think that is? Surely, most of them are native English speakers like myself.
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    • HAHA! You troll! You totally got us all!

      Well played, but the jig is up now.
  • Pusateri, no, I am being serious. And you didn't answer my question. Would you seriously use foreign talk like pronouncing the "T" when no one in your audience ever heard it pronounced that way?

    If so, would you at least explain why you pronounced it differently than they did?

    If you were trying to sell something to a Christian audience, would you call him Moshe or Moses? Seriously. Think about it.
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    • Oh...OK then...

      I would pronounce it properly.

      Correct pronunciation and usage is not foreign language, though some native speakers make it seem that way.

      Letting people get away with using terms improperly does not help them.

      Anyone using "a copy" or "sales copies" is going to be labeled ignorant by a knowledgeable audience. Your experience here is proof.

      Your justification at first was that your usage was correct. Now it seems to be that it's the usage of your intended audience, which doesn't know any better.

      Well, they don't know how to write copy either. Do you suggest reinforcing any incorrect notions they have about the subject, because that's what they already think?

      "Be all things to all people" does not mean "be wrong to get along."
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  • I didn't even notice that I had typed "sell" instead of "sales," not until I read your quote. But hopefully that is not why you didn't answer the question or see the point I made.
  • If you check my first response, I said I don't want to use jargon, which I have said "hey check out sale copy about art" is. It sounds incorrect. I'm not going to use jargon that sounds incorrect to an audience that will also think it sounds like a non-native speaker that forgot to use the indefinite article.

    You can continue saying stuff like that, but not I refuse to. I would also say Moses to a Christian audience and not Moshe. I know it means a better response from my target audience. Know who you are targeting and what they are used to. That is my philosophy.
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    • This whole point is absolute and utter BS and completely circular logic. You are in a copywriting forum. You are TALKING TO COPYWRITERS. Yet you insist on arguing that anyone who's not a copywriter says "a copy" or "sales copies".

      First off, if you're sharing advice with up and coming copywriters and presenting yourself as an expert, don't knock experts who are trying to help you by correcting you. It's called learning, which is something an expert is NEVER done with. In this forum, you ARE talking to copywriters, so you should be using the common jargon - that is the point that you yourself made in about 50 different posts in this utterly ridiculous thread.

      Second off, most people outside copywriting don't even know what the F*@# it is we do. How do I know this? If I say "I'm a copywriter", they almost instantly ask me how to obtain a copyright. That right there should tell you that most people outside advertising and marketing don't really use the word "copy" to describe what we write - it's usually an ad, a commercial, a sales letter, a brochure...ad nauseam.

      What frustrates me about this whole thread is that you're in a place where you can share knowledge AND learn from people who legitimately practice this skill day in and day out. You may be an entrepreneur who's figured out how to make money, but your attitude is pretty sucky.
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  • Daniel, I haven't made a million yet, but I am going to. I am quickly on my way there.
  • Hey, Daniel, I plan to branch out from my art site and masteredit.net site to sell other products. I have always been a big horse betting fan and roulette. I see you affiliate offer is about a gambling site, which does have horse betting on it.

    Anyway, I was wondering, what kind of conversion rates does your sales copy get on average? And I mean for targeted traffic, which is the only kind of traffic I would send.
  • Hi, I'm Troy McClure, you may remember me from such successful copies projects as....
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    • That's not how I would write it.

      You may remember me from such successful sales copy projects as.

      The reason why is because projects is plural, so it wouldn't sound right as sales copies projects.
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  • So the word lieing put it over the top? Well considering you yourself said it was a mistake, his post calling you a liar wasn't exactly wrong. Sounds like you're just clinging for straws because you like to dish it out, but can't seem to take it.
  • IMPORTANT: ah's not affiliatin' ennythin'. ah's not promotin' ennythin'. ah's not sellin' ennythin', unless yo' happen t'be interested in awesome art courses, which ah doubt yer.

    Here is how ah write sales copies thet haf a steady 3% cornvahshun rate. ah reckon thet's purdy fine fo' th' art indestry. ah sell mah art courses. Masterpaintin'now.com is mah site, whar yo' kin find examples of mah sales copies fo' reference purposes. They kin be applied t'enny produck. They is not limited t'art courses.

    Befo'e ah share mah secrets, yo' sh'd knows whuffo' a fine sales copy is so impo'tant. Befo'e ah had a sales copy, mah sales cornvahshun rates were below 1%. Thet blows. No wonner ah wasn't makin' fine money. Af'er makin' a quick sales copy, mah sales rates went up, even though th' copy was, blah. Enny sales copy is better than nothin' is whut ah larned, cuss it all t' tarnation.

    Af'er ah wrote a fine sales copy, mah sales jumped t'a steady 3% an' haf reJawjad so. This hyar is fo' etch course, which has a separeete sales copy.
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    • Point taken

      I like your sales copies. I'd like 10 copies please.
  • The big problem is when people start making copies of your copies.

    Then you're just copying a copy, copy?
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    • If you've got a copy of a copy how do you know which one's the original?
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  • I've been working on a facebook campaign. So far for every $80 I spend, I make a $40 profit. I am sure I could increase that, but it seems pretty good. I will have to see if it stays steady or not.

    If anyone has good facebook CPC articals, feel free to share.
  • My head is so messed up right now.
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      Been trying to tell you that for ages.

      Smoking hot,


      Mark Andrews
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  • Wow, fascinating and detailed post, OP! Good job!
  • Sheesh what is wrong with everyone? masterpaintingnow has given some really cool info about writing sales copy - or should that be A sales copy, (lol) - and everyone descends like a pack of ravening wolves to tear the information and the person, to pieces.
    Personally I would like to thank this person for the time taken to try and offer some good value stuff and help others.
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  • Beverely, well, they didn't really say anything but that I said "sales copies" and "a sales copy." That is what they have been on and on about this whole time. Odd that.

    Angie, I don't need to be an expert copywriter to be a top sales person, which I used to be before I changed jobs. Also, my sales copies are doing pretty damn good. How many people can say they make 5k a month from IM?
  • Overall, I guess the important thing is that you're doing something.

    I liked your art work.

    If things are going as good for you now as you say...they will only get better as you learn more about copywriting.

    Thanks for providing an interesting thread.
  • My facebook ad is only getting a 1.2Percent conversion rate. Profitable but i'm going to try linking to a free video instead of the sales copy and see how that does.
  • GAWDDDD!

    'Copy' is like sugar.
    It is treated as an uncountable noun like sugar, sand, salt or any of that shit...
    Its not a sugar, or sugars. I am an illiterate copywriter scraping a living who hasn't had a grammar lesson in eons ,so don't expect any further explanations.

    Secondly, I don't know why people like Malcolm Lambe are fighting with you. He did skybuilder, isn't that enough?

    Any Person Who Says "A Copy":
    #1. Isn't A Copywriter.
    #2. Hasn't Read A Single Book On Copywriting
    #3. Needs To Read The Gary Halbert Letters, All Of Them.
    #4. Add The Collier Letter Book Too...
    #5.

    Besides @TheCopyNazi, I was the one who originally compiled TheGaryHalbertLetters In The PDF....Just so you know.
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    • ...which doesn't belong to you.

      Did you get permission from Bond or Kevin Halbert?

      While both of them are totally approachable, friendly guys who LOVE freely sharing their father's legacy (from the website), they don't take kindly to squatters or those who misappropriate their family's intellectual property.

      Consider this a heads up.

      Best,

      Brian
  • Thanks for the heads up...the PDF won't ever be shared.
    My bad, I should have read the terms.
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  • mrsray, yeah, if your product is worth lots of money, say $200 rather than $40, then for sure, lower conversion rates will still make you money.
  • Can I order a copy please?

    By the way...

    Do you have the original I can see too?

    Cheers!

    Mark
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  • A little humbleness, like a "thank you for the observation" could have gotten you help from experts and a dramatic increase in sales, like going from 3% conversions to 5-10%

    Instead you start arguing about minutiae, and with your attitude manage to piss off the people here that could actually make a dramatic impact in your business.
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    • And exactly what evidence can you provide to support that claim that they could in fact rase the conversion rates on my products from 3% to 5-10%?

      As for the arguing, I am merely sticking to my guns as to why I use sales copies. "Many sales copy" might sound natural to those who use copy as both a singular and plural, but to the rest of the people in the world, it sounds like broken English.

      However, native English speakers always think it sounds right to say "many fish" and "a fish." We are used to that illogical construct. Notice, we still say "a fish." However, most aren't used to seeing something like, "Let me view copy written by Tom Hanks." It sounds completely wrong without the indefinite article. I don't care to sound wrong to the majority. My choice. I stand by it.

      If someone refused to give advice that would change my sales conversions from 3% to say 7% just because I choose to stand by my use of "a sales copy" and "sales copies" then that is their very odd choice. I like to help people, regardless if they have their own beliefs that differ from mine.

      I also see no reason why we shouldn't say "a sales copy" and "sales copies" because the phrases are identical to "A sales letter" and "sales letters." Who writes, "sales letter" when they means letters?

      When we say something like "check out my copy," we are refering to a sales letter.
  • OP needs to open his or her eyes and realize just because everybody is doing it, that doesn't mean it's right. I made the same mistake, but corrected myself when someone pointed it out. These people know what they are doing, and they wouldn't be successful if they didn't know simple English. Talk about fighting a losing battle.
  • Ken, so if "sales copy" is not interchangable with "a sales letter" then why throughout the book Sales Copies that Sell does the copywriter refer to sales copies as sales letters?

    If "sales copy" isn't the same as a sales letter then please do tell me the difference.

    I am not asking about "copy" but "sales copy." Notice, throughout this thread, I don't talk about copy, but "sales copies."

    Thanks.
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    • A copy or copies is only correct if you are using them in the sense of a duplicate or duplicates.

      That is not the sense in which the word is used when speaking of marketing.

      Sales letter and copy are not interchangeable. A sales letter consists of copy. Copy does not consist of sales letters.

      Placing "sales" in front of the word copy changes nothing.

      Go read my post on the origin of the term:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...opywriter.html

      Copy is used in the same way as "news."

      You can have good news and you can have good copy.

      You can read a piece of news and you can read a piece of copy.

      But you can't have A news or A copy.

      Speaking of copies and newses both make you sound like Gollum.

      "Copies! We hates it, we hates it, we hates it forever!”

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    IMPORTANT: I am not affiliating anything. I am not promoting anything. I am not selling anything, unless you happen to be interested in awesome art courses, which I doubt you are. Here is how I write sales copies that have a steady 3% conversion rate. I think that’s pretty good for the art industry. I sell my art courses. Masterpaintingnow.com is my site, where you can find examples of my sales copies for reference purposes. They can be applied to any product. They are not limited to art courses.