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Email Deliverability

by dicemartin
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Are you assured of avoiding spam traps if you insist upon only purchasing email data that contains source url, IP address and time stamp?
#deliverability #email
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  • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
    I don't think so, if the data is aged, it will be full of inactive accounts that may have been converted into spam traps by inbox providers.

    Someone who may have actually subscribed to this list years ago but hasn't login his mail account for several years which makes this account liable to be converted into spam traps.
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    • Profile picture of the author dicemartin
      Thanks, but I should have included the additional qualification, that these leads would all be within 30 days of optin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
    Some sellers may falsify records. be aware!

    In all cases, you need to clean your lists even if they are very fresh.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    Here are a list of things you can do to reduce your chances of your emails going to the spam filter .

    1 Ask subscribers to white list your emails

    2 Authenticate your emails

    3 Be mindful not to use certain words

    4 Use a spam checker before sending off emails ..
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  • Profile picture of the author aduttonater
    Any purchased list may use at your own risk. I prefer a list of people who come to me first. Either for a free product, subscribe at the door, or a buying client.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
      Originally Posted by aduttonater View Post

      Any purchased list may use at your own risk. I prefer a list of people who come to me first. Either for a free product, subscribe at the door, or a buying client.
      You need a reliable data broker who provides you with good data at affordable prices, that will save you from a lot of headaches. However, it is not easy to find this person.

      This is the essence of this industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    I've been buying data / generating co-reg leads since 2000 (23 years). While generating your own opt-ins can produce higher conversions. Buying data / generating co-reg is so much more scalable and cost-effective. It's night and day / nothing compares to it!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
    The sending to purchased data is not easy. It's challenging to overcome blocks, deferrals, and delivery issues. Cleaning services cost a lot If the list volume is large.

    However, it is still far cheaper than collecting leads through traditional methods.
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    • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
      Originally Posted by Mamymilan60 View Post

      The sending to purchased data is not easy. It's challenging to overcome blocks, deferrals, and delivery issues. Cleaning services cost a lot If the list volume is large.

      However, it is still far cheaper than collecting leads through traditional methods.
      Fair statement. I've been mailing purchased data (3rd party data) since 2000. There are only a few members here that have any clue how much money can be made doing it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
        Originally Posted by DIABL0 View Post

        Fair statement. I've been mailing purchased data (3rd party data) since 2000. There are only a few members here that have any clue how much money can be made doing it.
        Some people think that purchasing data used to work in the past, but it is no longer effective now due to ISPs policies, the difficulty of getting good deliverability, and the growth of social media.
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        • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
          Originally Posted by Mamymilan60 View Post

          Some people think that purchasing data used to work in the past, but it is no longer effective now due to ISPs policies, the difficulty of getting good deliverability, and the growth of social media.
          Email has evolved. People running self hosted and purchased data are still making millions and millions and millions of dollars a year.

          Im one of those "few members Diablo said knows about how much money can be made".
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          • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
            Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

            Email has evolved. People running self hosted and purchased data are still making millions and millions and millions of dollars a year.

            Im one of those "few members Diablo said knows about how much money can be made".
            True. It's crazy how fast everyone gives up once they have a problem and say it doesn't work.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
            Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

            Email has evolved. People running self hosted and purchased data are still making millions and millions and millions of dollars a year.

            Im one of those "few members Diablo said knows about how much money can be made".
            Yes, this is true, but do not forget that those who earn millions actually have data volumes estimated by billions of leads, not just millions. This is not available to everyone.

            But as DB said, people give up quickly. It must be made clear that purchasing data is for people who are willing to spend both money and time.

            This industry has challenges that many people prefer to stay away from and I know why.

            I see there is a logical reason why people stay away from buying data. Can you tell me about a blog, course, website, or even YouTube channel that explains to people how this method works? With the exception of a few people who can share their experiences in the forums, the answer is none.

            You must collect information from here and information from there by yourself in order to know the basics of this industry. Is it reasonable for people to invest in anonymous?!

            However, I attest that it is the best investment. I have tried obtaining leads through all types of ads (Solo, Facebook, and Paid Search). The cost was very high. The Performance was not the best.

            Surprisingly, my statistics from the purchased data are better than those I obtained from ads. This seems a bit weird.
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  • Profile picture of the author dicemartin
    It's a high level skill that even somewhat experienced digital marketers would find challenging to learn. Perhaps if there were some form of group instruction available whereby we could learn from one another; more marketers might succeed with that business model.
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  • Profile picture of the author dicemartin
    I found several lists of email data brokers on line and not a single one (that is still in business) offered "quality data" as Diablo defines it: (IP address, time stamp and source URL) Is one of the problems entering this strategy that few no where to obtain quality data?
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    • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
      Originally Posted by dicemartin View Post

      I found several lists of email data brokers on line and not a single one (that is still in business) offered "quality data" as Diablo defines it: (IP address, time stamp and source URL) Is one of the problems entering this strategy that few no where to obtain quality data?
      Like most industries, there are plenty of crappy data brokers who are selling junk. There are really a small number of good data brokers out there, and you need to weed out the junk to find the better stuff. But, they are out there and you can still make a lot of money with purchased lists and the right cleaning strategy and service as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
      Originally Posted by dicemartin View Post

      I found several lists of email data brokers on line and not a single one (that is still in business) offered "quality data" as Diablo defines it: (IP address, time stamp and source URL) Is one of the problems entering this strategy that few no where to obtain quality data?
      This is another BIG problem, which is finding several sources that provide you with high-quality data.

      I have contacted many who claim to sell good data. Except for PK, they all sell garbage..

      Big companies like Data Axle, AccuData, Dun & Bradstreet, leadsplease, and Acxiom sell top quality but the cost is so hight.

      It is really not easy to find a good data broker.
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  • Profile picture of the author dicemartin
    I found an intriguing idea recently in a youtube video, of all places. The marketer recommended that we find publishers (i.e. website owners, email list owners, youtube creators, etc and offer to monetize their existing traffic with offers that we obtain from advertisers on a CPL basis and have them present to their audience. He noted that we would incur little to know risk if were were being paid by the advertiser on a CPL basis and we contractually restricted our obligation to pay the publisher only for those leads for which we had been paid by the advertiser. He said the margins could vary at our discretion. 75% publisher, 25% us, etc. Obviously, this would require sourcing somewhat obscure offers that are not readily available to just anyone, but I think the idea has some merit. He referred to the strategy as "Lead Gen Arbitrage"
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    • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
      Originally Posted by dicemartin View Post

      I found an intriguing idea recently in a youtube video, of all places. The marketer recommended that we find publishers (i.e. website owners, email list owners, youtube creators, etc and offer to monetize their existing traffic with offers that we obtain from advertisers on a CPL basis and have them present to their audience. He noted that we would incur little to know risk if were were being paid by the advertiser on a CPL basis and we contractually restricted our obligation to pay the publisher only for those leads for which we had been paid by the advertiser. He said the margins could vary at our discretion. 75% publisher, 25% us, etc. Obviously, this would require sourcing somewhat obscure offers that are not readily available to just anyone, but I think the idea has some merit. He referred to the strategy as "Lead Gen Arbitrage"
      This is what a CPA Network is. They broker offers from advertisers to publishers, and usually provide affiliates or publishers with faster payment terms than what the advertisers provide the CPA Network with.

      You need a lot of capital to be able to do this effectively and in scale, as well as extremely strong anti fraud measures and a strong team to handle each aspect of this.

      This "YouTube Expert" is giving you information that has existed and been done tens of thousands of times to varying degrees of success in the Internet Marketing space for the last 25 years.
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      • Profile picture of the author dicemartin
        He did candidly admit that he has employed this strategy for more than 20 years himself, but he didn't see very many marketers attempting it. He also is well capitalized and has a team, so it would be far beyond my ability to execute.
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    • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
      Originally Posted by dicemartin View Post

      I found an intriguing idea recently in a youtube video, of all places. The marketer recommended that we find publishers (i.e. website owners, email list owners, youtube creators, etc and offer to monetize their existing traffic with offers that we obtain from advertisers on a CPL basis and have them present to their audience. He noted that we would incur little to know risk if were were being paid by the advertiser on a CPL basis and we contractually restricted our obligation to pay the publisher only for those leads for which we had been paid by the advertiser. He said the margins could vary at our discretion. 75% publisher, 25% us, etc. Obviously, this would require sourcing somewhat obscure offers that are not readily available to just anyone, but I think the idea has some merit. He referred to the strategy as "Lead Gen Arbitrage"
      Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are talking about managing another's company opt-in email data that doesn't do email marketing Itself. Other than their initial original offer. I've been doing this for 20+ years. Some of the best ever!
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  • Profile picture of the author dicemartin
    That can be one aspect of it yes. But the slight difference in his recommendation is to approach publishers like list owners (not necessarily businesses) who are already actively mailing offers and bring to their attention additional offers of which they are unaware. (he prefers this because it involves less work on his part) They (the publisher) then mail the offer that you brought them in exchange for a share of the lead payout from the advertiser. It is entirely passive, after forwarding the marketing assets to the publisher and setting up the tracking, you just monitor performance and pay the publisher per the contract that the two of you have signed. You're not at risk, because your contract specifies that you are only obligated to pay the publisher for leads on which you have been paid. You're basically brokering the offer, so you can't use this strategy for offers that prohibit "rebrokering", as some do.
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    • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
      Originally Posted by dicemartin View Post

      That can be one aspect of it yes. But the slight difference in his recommendation is to approach publishers like list owners (not necessarily businesses) who are already actively mailing offers and bring to their attention additional offers of which they are unaware. (he prefers this because it involves less work on his part) They (the publisher) then mail the offer that you brought them in exchange for a share of the lead payout from the advertiser. It is entirely passive, after forwarding the marketing assets to the publisher and setting up the tracking, you just monitor performance and pay the publisher per the contract that the two of you have signed. You're not at risk, because your contract specifies that you are only obligated to pay the publisher for leads on which you have been paid. You're basically brokering the offer, so you can't use this strategy for offers that prohibit "rebrokering", as some do.
      OK, but where are you getting the offers from? Also, if you are paying publishers to generate conversions. There's no such thing as no risk. No one is going to sign a contract saying they are only getting paid for what you got paid for. That's a pipe dream and total BS.
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  • Profile picture of the author dicemartin
    HaHa, I'm not experienced enough to know, but you might take a moment to Google Eric Beer, Lead Gen Arbitrage on Youtube and see what you think. He wouldn't be the first to misrepresent his earnings, but he claims to have made 9 figures doing exactly what I described. Naturally, he has a high ticket course ($1997.00) that according to him contains attorney prepared contracts, checklists, scripts to speak with both advertisers and publishers, methodology for identifying advertisers, etc. Too rich for my blood, but intriguing nonetheless.
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    • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
      Originally Posted by dicemartin View Post

      HaHa, I'm not experienced enough to know, but you might take a moment to Google Eric Beer, Lead Gen Arbitrage on Youtube and see what you think. He wouldn't be the first to misrepresent his earnings, but he claims to have made 9 figures doing exactly what I described. Naturally, he has a high ticket course ($1997.00) that according to him contains attorney prepared contracts, checklists, scripts to speak with both advertisers and publishers, methodology for identifying advertisers, etc. Too rich for my blood, but intriguing nonetheless.
      I've been monetizing email data since 1996. Nobody making decent money is ever going to sign such an agreement. Super simple, If I generate leads, I'm getting paid for them. If you have a problem getting paid, that's your problem. You are still paying me period / end of story. If you don't, your company name is going to get trashed.
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      • Profile picture of the author dicemartin
        Originally Posted by DIABL0 View Post

        I've been monetizing email data since 1996. Nobody making decent money is ever going to sign such an agreement. Super simple, If I generate leads, I'm getting paid for them. If you have a problem getting paid, that's your problem. You are still paying me period / end of story. If you don't, your company name is going to get trashed.
        Understandable, but is that situation really any different than if the Publisher were contracting directly with the advertiser, without our involvement as broker? The advertiser would still only pay for leads that met his specifications. Essentially, the Publisher is still trusting the advertiser but indirectly through us. (Remember that we're looking for CPL deals only, not CPM.) I could be wrong (I often am, lol) But I'll bet that tomorrow if you approached a mailer with an offer that you were able to access through your industry contacts, they would consent to run it on a CPL basis, once they established your reputation.
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