Mobile CPA Made EZ

10 years ago

I have not purchased it but came here to see if there are any reviews.

Is this the one that is $497? ( I believe so)

Anyway, are you saying it is not worth it?

Can you give any info bout the training and if this is doable?

I get the impression that you're not impressed with this course.....?

Any info would be great.

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Robert C.

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Dunhill

10 years ago

It is doable.. but the method seems to be blocked.
for example, buy traffic from A and use monetizing method B. But the given templates from the webinar and so on does not work with the course. I setup LP with given template as shown in the course and webinar but A says they do not allow such thing. B says they can't pay you because the template you are using does not contain any info regarding their source or something like that. I have sent support ticket about this issue and they are saying that they are working with A and B to make it work just like shown in the course.

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probizlink

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dunhill

It is doable.. but the method seems to be blocked.
for example, buy traffic from A and use monetizing method B. But the given templates from the webinar and so on does not work with the course. I setup LP with given template as shown in the course and webinar but A says they do not allow such thing. B says they can't pay you because the template you are using does not contain any info regarding their source or something like that. I have sent support ticket about this issue and they are saying that they are working with A and B to make it work just like shown in the course.

Are you still working this method? If so ... How are you doing with it?

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Robert X

10 years ago

Well,

Keep us posted. I've been watching this and trying to get as much info as possible before spending $500 on something that doesn't work like they claim

Robert C.

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Penn86

10 years ago

Thanks Dunhill, I too would greatly appreciate your updated information before purchasing. The webinar seemed just too good to be true. Hope it's for real and not all hype. No reply on a support ticket for 5 days is very concerning though.

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cajtrixie

10 years ago

For anyone who is wondering, I've had this course for about 2 weeks now, and here is what I've observed:

Pros

They give you 9 templates.
If you don't buy the OTO (more templates), they show you what the additional templates look like in the weekly webinars, so you can take a screenshot and hire someone else make something similar for you.
They give you a few useful bits of information, including some interesting statistics from their testing, a general overview of the process, and a few website names to start you off.
They give you access to an [their own created] affiliate network. It seems like you need to already be making money with other affiliate networks to get into any of them (a chicken and the egg problem), so this has the potential to be very useful.

Cons

What they don't tell you in the webinar is that this system is for people who cannot, I repeat, CANNOT figure out how to take a screenshot on their computer. I'm 100%, completely serious. Most of the information that you get is how to take a screenshot, how to copy and paste an affiliate link into an html page, and how well this guy's campaigns are doing and how you should use the same apps... except that they're not available in the affiliate network that he provides.
He tells you to promote the top 5 apps,but none of them are available in his affiliate network. The last time I looked, there were only 22 offers available total, and most of them were sweepstakes or coupon offers.
They tell you that you can start the process with as little as $15, but then they tell you to buy web hosting and a domain name. And after that (which they don't tell you), you will need to upload between $20 and $200 to various traffic sites before you can do anything with them.
He also doesn't tell you that, right at the start of the course, he announces that he expects US to figure things out by ourselves, and that this is a "learning college" where he gives us some information, and then we're on our own. You can imagine just by this statement how helpful the training actually is.
The training is entirely made up of his [very poor-quality] past webinars, but not ALL of them, just SOME of them.
- The webinars (created at the beginning of 2015) reference things and places in the members area that do not exist.
- The order of the information given seems to have no structure what-so-ever, and everything is rather poorly explained.
- In fact, there are entire steps of the process that are missing any kind of explanation. Sometimes he fills in these gaps with the weekly Q&A webinars that he expects people to attend, but he doesn't record them, so if you decide not to listen to 55 minutes of "this is how you copy and paste a link", you miss the interspersed 5 minutes of useful information that should have been in the course to begin with.
- It is rather apparent that this person has VERY little experience with Internet marketing (although if he can succeed with that little experience, that just says good things for people who DO have experience), and both he and his "dedicated super affiliates" seem to mix up marketing terminology CONSTANTLY.
- He also refers to everything that they do as an "innovation", even if it is a basic marketing strategy, and calls any student who has made any money with him a "super affiliate".
- Also, he does "live demos" and claims to be the only one doing them, but these "demos" are usually just "look how much money has come into my account in the last 5 minutes" moments or "look, when I go to my page URL, the page works!" times. And, generally, when he does do a real demo for something, he messes up or "learns something new" that he was supposed to be teaching us. And, when he does make a mistake, the video cuts to after he fixes it, but he doesn't tell you HOW he fixed it.
He claims that every member will get a dedicated "Super Affiliate". What he doesn't tell you in the initial webinar is that they will do nothing for you that warrants the title of "dedicated affiliate", much less "super affiliate".
- They are there to answer questions, BUT you are only allowed to ask them specific things.
- You can't ask them about the landing pages or about working with the code that's given to you, or about working with any of the websites that the course tells you to work with. He tells you to figure out all of these types of questions on your own, or to find someone to hire to answer them for you.
- You also can't ask them about your account, membership, etc. Those are help desk questions, and need to be sent to the help desk.
- You are only allowed to send 1 e-mail per day. If you send more, you will be dropped to the bottom of the que. It's also asked that you give them up to 3 business days to respond, but my responses have come at an average of about 5 days, at this point.
- He also practically threatens you right off of the bat, telling you that if he doesn't like how you're talking to an affiliate, or if you ask them the wrong thing, he will kick you out of the course, and won't look back.
The landing pages and additional code that are provided for us seem to be okay, but there are a few issues. Namely:
- Some of the code doesn't work, but you aren't allowed to ask anyone why or how to fix it (see above).
- Some of the pages call for javascript files that aren't provided, but you aren't allowed to ask anyone where to get them or how to create them (see above).
- The pages don't come with any instructions on how to alter them or where to put links/etc. They don't really have much sited in the actual code for this, either. Considering that his target audience is people who don't know how to take screenshots, this doesn't seem like an oversight to me - this just seems like pure laziness. (When someone asked him about this during a webinar, he said that we had to figure it out for ourselves or we'd never learn. Talk about poor customer support!)
- And, while the landing pages do work, they seem to go against the rules and regulations of the 3rd party sites that we are told to use for the process. And again, we're not allowed to ask anyone about this (see above).
In fact, there are all sorts of things about the traffic sites that we are told to use that we aren't told and aren't allowed to ask about.
- For instance, we don't know which traffic sites allow which parts of the method or landing pages that we're told to use. (i.e. We don't know what isn't allowed on any of the sites without going to them one-by-one on our own and reading through the ToS for EVERY site.)
- We don't know what types of traffic each site provides without first signing up for the traffic site.
- There's no explanation for the different types of traffic, what they're used for, or how/if they will be beneficial for this process.
- We don't know what the minimum upload amount is for each site (usually ranges between $20 - $200)
- And approval times usually seem to range from 3-5 days for the traffic sites, so once you wait for approval from the provided affiliate network, you have to wait for approval from the traffic site (about 3-10 days total), AND THEN, after all of that, your campaign might not even be approved, because we weren't told of some rule or regulation that the landing page that was provided for us goes against, and we'll have to start the process all over with a new landing page, or a new traffic source (which means more money has to be uploaded to test the new traffic source).
Oh, and did I mention that to get information that's above the "screenshot" experience level, you'll have to pay for an 8 week "advanced training" course? Because $500 wasn't enough the first time around?
And, if you were wondering, to the best of my knowledge there is no money back guarantee. Their guarantee is that if you don't make $5k in the first 3 months, the guy will personally work with you to get you to the $5k mark.

Conclusion
In short, the course is absolutely terrible in just about every way imaginable, and I don't think that you can get a refund. HOWEVER, it might be the only shot that you have of getting access to an affiliate network if you're just starting out with mobile advertising, and it does provide you with the basics of a strategy.

I'm still trying to get a campaign approved to see if their listed offers (or the provided affiliate network) are even worth using as a stepping stone, and I haven't been around long enough to see if they actually fulfill their 3 month guarantee, so... maybe I'll come back and update this when I reach one of those 2 milestones? XD

I hope that this helps.

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Penn86 10 years ago

Wow, thanks a bunch Cajtrixie for your in depth review! I was on the fence about it but now this confirms that it was too good to be true. I'm still very interested in learning about the reselling mobile traffic section. Would you please share any thoughts on if this is viable and how well this was covered?
Thanks again and best wishes. According to their T & C copied on the order page, a refund may be attainable if you're looking to do so.

Terms and Conditions By submitting your order you agree to the following plain-language terms:
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PLEASE READ ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS CAREFULLY. BY PURCHASING OUR PRODUCT, YOU ARE AGREEING TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS HEREWITH.

All purchases are covered under a thirty (30) day refund period. The refund period begins the day the product is ordered and ends 30 days later. We reserve the right to refuse service for any reason allowed by law.

You may request a refund for any reason for the price of the program during the 30 day period.
After the 30 days, there will be no refundsâ€"no exceptions allowed
You can only receive a refund for the program costs only; software costs are non-refundable and final. Software must be continually maintained; as such, these services are not refundable.

The purchase of the Mobile CPA Made EZ online training center and includes:

Four (4) comprehensive Training Modules
Three (3) Bonus Modules
Four (4) Landing Page templates
Five (5) Complete Study Guides
Weekly Unlimited Live Webinars
Daily Profit Planner Worksheet
Membership to our exclusive Profit Pool Affiliate Network

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NeilMoran

9 years ago

Originally Posted by cajtrixie

Conclusion
In short, the course is absolutely terrible in just about every way imaginable, and I don't think that you can get a refund. HOWEVER, it might be the only shot that you have of getting access to an affiliate network if you're just starting out with mobile advertising, and it does provide you with the basics of a strategy.

I'm still trying to get a campaign approved to see if their listed offers (or the provided affiliate network) are even worth using as a stepping stone, and I haven't been around long enough to see if they actually fulfill their 3 month guarantee, so... maybe I'll come back and update this when I reach one of those 2 milestones? XD

I hope that this helps.

You've just saved me $500 cajtrixie many thanks for that!

Real shame this wasn't legit as I'm getting more and more into mobile & cpa.

What I wanted to get my hands on was their Ez Free Money Method which is baiscly traffic abitrage, what platform was they using for that?

I've done some digging and two of the better sites for this type of stuff is Domain Parking and International Redirect | Redirect and http://buy-targeted-traffic.com/ although I haven't tested them yet, does anyone know what platform they were using? I've put a screen shot of the members area below that I took from their webinar.

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probizlink

9 years ago

Originally Posted by cajtrixie

For anyone who is wondering, I've had this course for about 2 weeks now, and here is what I've observed:

Pros

They give you 9 templates.
If you don't buy the OTO (more templates), they show you what the additional templates look like in the weekly webinars, so you can take a screenshot and hire someone else make something similar for you.
They give you a few useful bits of information, including some interesting statistics from their testing, a general overview of the process, and a few website names to start you off.
They give you access to an [their own created] affiliate network. It seems like you need to already be making money with other affiliate networks to get into any of them (a chicken and the egg problem), so this has the potential to be very useful.

Cons

What they don't tell you in the webinar is that this system is for people who cannot, I repeat, CANNOT figure out how to take a screenshot on their computer. I'm 100%, completely serious. Most of the information that you get is how to take a screenshot, how to copy and paste an affiliate link into an html page, and how well this guy's campaigns are doing and how you should use the same apps... except that they're not available in the affiliate network that he provides.
He tells you to promote the top 5 apps,but none of them are available in his affiliate network. The last time I looked, there were only 22 offers available total, and most of them were sweepstakes or coupon offers.
They tell you that you can start the process with as little as $15, but then they tell you to buy web hosting and a domain name. And after that (which they don't tell you), you will need to upload between $20 and $200 to various traffic sites before you can do anything with them.
He also doesn't tell you that, right at the start of the course, he announces that he expects US to figure things out by ourselves, and that this is a "learning college" where he gives us some information, and then we're on our own. You can imagine just by this statement how helpful the training actually is.
The training is entirely made up of his [very poor-quality] past webinars, but not ALL of them, just SOME of them.
- The webinars (created at the beginning of 2015) reference things and places in the members area that do not exist.
- The order of the information given seems to have no structure what-so-ever, and everything is rather poorly explained.
- In fact, there are entire steps of the process that are missing any kind of explanation. Sometimes he fills in these gaps with the weekly Q&A webinars that he expects people to attend, but he doesn't record them, so if you decide not to listen to 55 minutes of "this is how you copy and paste a link", you miss the interspersed 5 minutes of useful information that should have been in the course to begin with.
- It is rather apparent that this person has VERY little experience with Internet marketing (although if he can succeed with that little experience, that just says good things for people who DO have experience), and both he and his "dedicated super affiliates" seem to mix up marketing terminology CONSTANTLY.
- He also refers to everything that they do as an "innovation", even if it is a basic marketing strategy, and calls any student who has made any money with him a "super affiliate".
- Also, he does "live demos" and claims to be the only one doing them, but these "demos" are usually just "look how much money has come into my account in the last 5 minutes" moments or "look, when I go to my page URL, the page works!" times. And, generally, when he does do a real demo for something, he messes up or "learns something new" that he was supposed to be teaching us. And, when he does make a mistake, the video cuts to after he fixes it, but he doesn't tell you HOW he fixed it.
He claims that every member will get a dedicated "Super Affiliate". What he doesn't tell you in the initial webinar is that they will do nothing for you that warrants the title of "dedicated affiliate", much less "super affiliate".
- They are there to answer questions, BUT you are only allowed to ask them specific things.
- You can't ask them about the landing pages or about working with the code that's given to you, or about working with any of the websites that the course tells you to work with. He tells you to figure out all of these types of questions on your own, or to find someone to hire to answer them for you.
- You also can't ask them about your account, membership, etc. Those are help desk questions, and need to be sent to the help desk.
- You are only allowed to send 1 e-mail per day. If you send more, you will be dropped to the bottom of the que. It's also asked that you give them up to 3 business days to respond, but my responses have come at an average of about 5 days, at this point.
- He also practically threatens you right off of the bat, telling you that if he doesn't like how you're talking to an affiliate, or if you ask them the wrong thing, he will kick you out of the course, and won't look back.
The landing pages and additional code that are provided for us seem to be okay, but there are a few issues. Namely:
- Some of the code doesn't work, but you aren't allowed to ask anyone why or how to fix it (see above).
- Some of the pages call for javascript files that aren't provided, but you aren't allowed to ask anyone where to get them or how to create them (see above).
- The pages don't come with any instructions on how to alter them or where to put links/etc. They don't really have much sited in the actual code for this, either. Considering that his target audience is people who don't know how to take screenshots, this doesn't seem like an oversight to me - this just seems like pure laziness. (When someone asked him about this during a webinar, he said that we had to figure it out for ourselves or we'd never learn. Talk about poor customer support!)
- And, while the landing pages do work, they seem to go against the rules and regulations of the 3rd party sites that we are told to use for the process. And again, we're not allowed to ask anyone about this (see above).
In fact, there are all sorts of things about the traffic sites that we are told to use that we aren't told and aren't allowed to ask about.
- For instance, we don't know which traffic sites allow which parts of the method or landing pages that we're told to use. (i.e. We don't know what isn't allowed on any of the sites without going to them one-by-one on our own and reading through the ToS for EVERY site.)
- We don't know what types of traffic each site provides without first signing up for the traffic site.
- There's no explanation for the different types of traffic, what they're used for, or how/if they will be beneficial for this process.
- We don't know what the minimum upload amount is for each site (usually ranges between $20 - $200)
- And approval times usually seem to range from 3-5 days for the traffic sites, so once you wait for approval from the provided affiliate network, you have to wait for approval from the traffic site (about 3-10 days total), AND THEN, after all of that, your campaign might not even be approved, because we weren't told of some rule or regulation that the landing page that was provided for us goes against, and we'll have to start the process all over with a new landing page, or a new traffic source (which means more money has to be uploaded to test the new traffic source).
Oh, and did I mention that to get information that's above the "screenshot" experience level, you'll have to pay for an 8 week "advanced training" course? Because $500 wasn't enough the first time around?
And, if you were wondering, to the best of my knowledge there is no money back guarantee. Their guarantee is that if you don't make $5k in the first 3 months, the guy will personally work with you to get you to the $5k mark.

Conclusion
In short, the course is absolutely terrible in just about every way imaginable, and I don't think that you can get a refund. HOWEVER, it might be the only shot that you have of getting access to an affiliate network if you're just starting out with mobile advertising, and it does provide you with the basics of a strategy.

I'm still trying to get a campaign approved to see if their listed offers (or the provided affiliate network) are even worth using as a stepping stone, and I haven't been around long enough to see if they actually fulfill their 3 month guarantee, so... maybe I'll come back and update this when I reach one of those 2 milestones? XD

I hope that this helps.

Do you have an update? Unfortunately I bought this and it is just as you said. I have been waiting for 15 days and still no affiliate network approval (advertised as approval within 3-5 days). I have asked for a refund because I'm wondering if we would even get paid since they say "pay weekly after the first $1000.00. Been reading the many listings about him on the Ripoff Report Website.

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10 years ago

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Penn86 10 years ago

Thanks guys for this information. So glad I didn't plunk down the $500 to this Mad Hatter con artist Jordan Schultz only to be quickly disappointed and fighting for a refund. Good luck warriors!
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skilster 10 years ago

I got this yesterday and now I just came off a webinar that is an upsell of $5000+ and there is more costs involved so I feel I got myself into one of those bait and switch situations. I'm not sure if this is going to work for me and I feel I must just ask for a refund too before its too late.
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NeilMoran

9 years ago

Originally Posted by monyinc

I bought this course and went through the entire training. I set-up landing pages after landing pages. Sent a few offers through adf.ly, buzzcity.com, and exxoclick.

Test out a couple of landing pages and made $0.69 on Exxoclick for the popunder ads. That's not a good ROI considering I spent over $15.00 for the traffic and got no conversions on over 15000 views while Jordan claims that we should be getting over $0.37-$0.40 per view which is not true. So far I have 127 clicks for spending over $50 on traffic and no conversion.

Considering conversions only pay out $2.00 per opt-in and I got none, I will not invest in any more money on different traffic sources. I still have some advertising money with Buzzcity which I will use on something different.

Most of the offers that are working is not available on the affiliate network (Mobile Media) that they recommend. There are no direction to figure out which affiliate networks to partner up with to gain access to promote these mobile CPA offers that are profitable.

Free Iphone offers are not converting. The anti-virus software are only available in Equador. One is available in Brazil that Jordan claims is converting like crazy but only pays $0.17 per conversion. Considering that payout, I will have to convert about one in every 30 views which seems unrealistic base on my tests so far.

Even though it's a long shot, I will be requesting my money back. I will work through the process. I believe if enough of us do it, we will create some stir with his bank to get them to freeze his account or something. Worth a try.

I managed to get access to the videos for this system and could smell a rat straight away, first he said he was using worldwide traffic, then said US only then in his "results" video said the traffic was from Brazil...complete rip off.

As for the offers, different offers convert on different devices, you ALWAYS have to track everything and optimize your campaigns, you're finished without good tracking, you can't just throw random traffic at an offer and hope it converts even though Jordan makes it look like you can.

However there is some good news, traffic arbitage can be done, there's a guy on BHW doing a free case study and he is getting quite good results, just google "Journey to $10,000 per day with traffic arbitrage" I haven't tried it yet but will be doing soon.

Although the guy on BHW is doing OK at it you will still need to work out which countries and which types of traffic and sources are going to give the best return so I would go slowly in the testing stages.

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NeilMoran

9 years ago

Originally Posted by monyinc

I've tested offers that I sent for only IOS devices, I've tested overs for IOS devices on AT&T network in the US alone, I've tested offers for Aussie IOS devices that was supposed to be cream of the crop, I've tested worldwide traffic for a generic offer, I was going to test out offers in Brazil and send Brazil mobile traffic on Android vs IOS but decided not to waste any more money because with the CPA conversions = $0.17 per opt-in, I would losing out as well based on my findings. I don't really have the time and money to keep testing offers that are supposed to convert and doesn't.

The popunder and redirect traffic that they are referring to is Exxoclick. I managed to make some tweaks to get Exxoclick to approve my landing page. You need to have more content than most of the mobile landing pages you see out there to get approved. I have a website so I used that as my landing page then added the redirect code and popunder code to my landing page.

Still the ROI is not worth it.

I'm not quitting, I'm still promoting other stuff through affiliate marketing. However, what Mobile CPA Made EZ portrayed to me was not accurate as this requires a lot of testing before you can get some winning campaigns to scale up.

Check out the BHW thread, it has NOTHING to do with offers of any type, it's all about selling traffic at a higher price which is the base of Jordans system, selling offers through mobile is a whole different ball game just like PPC, PPV etc you have to test different angles, landers, OS's etc to drill down, the guy on BHW is making around 40% profit every day just reselling traffic.

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celestmark

9 years ago

Appreciate and thanks to ALL the reviews and comments! You've save us a boat load of cash! He' now selling his July coaching for 6K!!!

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mike_somerville 9 years ago

Originally Posted by celestmark

Appreciate and thanks to ALL the reviews and comments! You've save us a boat load of cash! He' now selling his July coaching for 6K!!!

I can't believe anyone would look at him after what happened with Freedom Fighters! Unreal!! Same information available for $7 on JVZOO!!
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jfranchino

9 years ago

From what I could see in the videos, the money is earned cruelly
deceiving the recipients of their false promises
( you win an iPhone 6, You got a virus, ...).
Mobile CPA Made EZ is illegal and immoral. Or I'm wrong.
Please tell me.

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fnelsen 9 years ago

Thank you cajtrixie for your very thorough write up. I did get involved with Jordon and did (although not within the 30 days) learn just how much of a con he is. He went as far as faking traffic being sent to call participants to their offer link from his network. I never received any of the traffic and began to wonder just how badly I had been taken. Fortunately I did not go for the $6000 upsell that he consistently pushed. He also shows a video testimonial of a quadriplegic to help make his selling point of how easy this is with his coaching. I spent $500 and did get some useful information albeit not worth the 5 bills.

I hope the word gets out there and more people know what a scammer he is.
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9 years ago

Thank you all for honest reviews and feedback

, you just saved me and many other IM'ers from being scammed!

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proteinman2222 9 years ago

Thank you thank you thank you!! I received an email with a webinar...sounded GREAT! Thought it was to good to be true! I almost laid down $900 on this program!!!!! You saved me big time!
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Pritom

9 years ago

Do you have any update ?Have you made 5k in 3 months?

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handybizman

9 years ago

Hello Everyone, I just wanted to give a tip, everyone here should know and probably do. If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is. I almost got took for this and glad I did some more research and found it here. If you were to buy a car for $5,000.00 wouldn't you like to talk to someone in person and not thru email.

I followed this guy for a few weeks from free webinars and reviewed and reviewed again the videos. I even followed exactly what he said. Did not make enough to pay back traffic. He gives free landing pages and they might work but without correct tracking, your going to lose money.

As I said, I followed every webinar video and if you want to see if it's a legit program or not just see if you can catch them in a lie. I did. One webinar he is bragging about how he paid some young underground cpa marketers a weekend out in some bar, you know wine and dine to get their secrets. Claimed people start talking when drinking and probably right, they started telling their secrets. Jordan claims he don't drink in the video, well later on in another webinar he is drinking a glass of wine before he starts the webinar. I catch the lie and have my doubts about everything. Just listening to internet marketers to get lots of money from hard working people bothers me. They try getting to you by scarcity,show images of income that can be photoshop,get to your heart by showing handicap people what they done. It's all a mind game. Don't everyone here get sick of this stuff? These people remind me of shady car salesmen.

I can tell you one thing, before I chunk down a large sum of money, they better be talking to me in person and not thru email or webinars. Really it is so easy to fall for this stuff, but do your research and follow your brain not what's in your gut as they always try to convince you in these get rich quick deals.

Take Care!
Mike
P.S. I'm sorry for the long rant, but needed to be said.

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