Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak?

lior1970

14 years ago

It seems that I preceded you with my thread about the same product :-)

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rmoore 14 years ago

Yeah...it does look like a lot of the resent scams.

The copy and sales page is so slick, I almost ordered (even though I know better).

I'm pretty curious about this one, because they rule out Twitter and blogging.

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Melody

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lior1970

It seems that I preceded you with my thread about the same product :-)

LOL - looks like we were typing at the same time as I searched for a review before I posted!

I know that Matt has a pretty good rep - but it still looks a lot like several recent products that were not so great.

Seems like 13 steps to push the magic button is the hot copy technique right now....

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Focused Action

14 years ago

Besides what might be the creepiest voice I have ever listened too, I just dont understand these product launches. Just a few clicks to "detonate" traffic and force clickbank to pay me "zillions" of dollars while I sleep.....gee, why do I not buy in to that premise???

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polypro 14 years ago

Normaly i would dismiss these promotions, but I received an email from Sean Donahoe, hence I took a look at it

The voice in the video was really creepy - does that really work as a sale tactic?

I think we are getting tons of emails promoting this thing as its a relatively quite period for launches

Its sounds like a lame duck to me
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infohog

14 years ago

I definitely agree on the creepy voice. It's as if he doesn't want his mom to hear?

That said Matt Bacak usually puts out pretty good stuff but the promises of thousands per day with 13 clicks for just $37 is getting old. That said I will withhold judgment until others have spoken.

Matthew

Originally Posted by curtroese

Besides what might be the creepiest voice I have ever listened too, I just dont understand these product launches. Just a few clicks to "detonate" traffic and force clickbank to pay me "zillions" of dollars while I sleep.....gee, why do I not buy in to that premise???

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Rainmak3r

14 years ago

For $37 with an unconditional 60 day no questions asked money back guarantee, I guess it's worth throwing caution to the wind and checking this out.

Reviewing the video on the site alone, I can tell the income is from affiliates, and not the efforts of the creepy voice guy!

That's where a lot of IMers tend to shed some information off their products: telling affiliates that they need a HORDE of other affiliates to do the selling, emailing etc for them....

But then again... I've always been a sucker for such schmoozle lingo!

Will update once I sniff out the contents.

Wish me luck!

Rain.

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infohog

14 years ago

Thanks Rainmaker, for being our courageous canary!

Looking forward to your opinion.

Matthew

Originally Posted by Rainmak3r

For $37 with an unconditional 60 day no questions asked money back guarantee, I guess it's worth throwing caution to the wind and checking this out.

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explosion

14 years ago

I think the creepy voice guy is matt, i think he's trying to whisper but he's doing it in an very eery and "creepy" sounding way, lol. Supposedly, over 38 million people wanted this but only a few will get the secret system, hence the whispering.. i guess.

I've followed Matt for years, and i've bought reputable products from him, but this one i'm not so sure about, as it follows alot of the $37 will get you $1000s per day on Clickbank deals that have been the highlight products of IM for 2010

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yesacpow

14 years ago

Hey Guys,

How you'll doing?

Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas and looking forward to a productive and successful new year!

Now with regards to Mass money makers, I have been given inside access to the course as I am a JV. (i have removed my sig as I don't want to be promotional)

SO the question is: is this a good course?
In my opinion, it is. However, the honest truth is that if you are already making lots of money online then you do not need this!

Is there a software that you click 13 times and profit? Hell no!!!!!!
All those stuff are marketing hype that all the latest launches are using. And you know why? Because it works!

You see, outside of this forum there are thousands of people looking to profit online and that's exactly what they want to hear. Easy Way To make Money Online -- well it doesn't exist. if you want to make money online, you have to work damn hard to get it.. just as with anything else.

So what's the course about?

Firstly, if you look at the sales page you would have seen Matt logging into his clickbank account and showing you thousands of dollars in sales literally overnight.

Well the truth is, it's real! BUT... that did not happen because of any simple clicks in a software.

Here's the details of the course and how he did it:

The course is about affiliate marketing. Both Matt and Allen shows you how to find good products to promote and tips and strategies to get good ranking so that you can get free traffic.

Now what they do is to funnel that traffic to a squeeze page to build a list of subscribers they can market to. (hence in the video, the sales were more than likely from an email broadcast.)

No how does the automation part comes in?

Well in the latter part of the course, Matt and Allen will show you were you can find great talented people where you can outsource for very little and have your business run on auto-pilot.

Look I don't want to give away too much details but I can say that

1. This course has lots of good stuff...
2. But if you are already making good money online, you may find it better to invest in backlinks or something lol.

What are the drawbacks?

Ofcourse there are lol

1. The course is in video format and you can only pause and then play. Pretty much like the sales video. That sucks because some of the videos are very long up to 2 hours.

2. Most of the time they are just going over and over stuff they mentioned already

3. To me, it's like old school teaching where there are writing as they go along instead of having the stuff prepared and then present it.

Remember there is no magic bullet folks, the course if good but most of what is said is hype because that's the stuff that sells.

You can learn something from it instead of complaining etc

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You have have a wonderful day and all the best for the new year when it comes.

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The Great Gordino

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yesacpow

Is there a software that you click 13 times and profit? Hell no!!!!!!
All those stuff are marketing hype that all the latest launches are using. And you know why? Because it works!

oh, that makes it ok then! All the launches use the technique, and it works, so it's ok - even if (hell no!) it's not true!

wow.

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yesacpow 14 years ago

I didn't say it was okay!!!!!!

I was merely stating a fact.

Do you think they would do it if it didn't work?

Originally Posted by The Great Gordino

oh, that makes it ok then! All the launches use the technique, and it works, so it's ok - even if (hell no!) it's not true!

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- mistermint 14 years ago
  
  There is no magic available for IM...
  
  As I recall Matt makes his money from a huge list he also tells folk to copy all the IM emails and keep the good stuff which, made you open the mail...and use it on your own autoresponders...
  
  So I just bet this another dead end..sorry...
  
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- powercazh 14 years ago
  
  The sales page says a few clicks of a button. Is there a software included? what I am hearing is mostly outsourcing of the methods.
  
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  Just answered by jrafique. thanks. The software is for keyword selection.
  
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- The Great Gordino 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yesacpow
  
  I didn't say it was okay!!!!!!
  
  I was merely stating a fact.
  
  Do you think they would do it if it didn't work?
  
  You also state you are a JV, so although you didn't *say* it's ok, presumably you *think* it's ok to put things on the sales page which aren't true.
  
  How about the limit of 200 customers - as a JV, would you tell a potential customer this wasn't true also?
  
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TimG

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yesacpow

Hey Guys,

Is there a software that you click 13 times and profit? Hell no!!!!!!
All those stuff are marketing hype that all the latest launches are using. And you know why? Because it works!

You see, outside of this forum there are thousands of people looking to profit online and that's exactly what they want to hear. Easy Way To make Money Online -- well it doesn't exist. if you want to make money online, you have to work damn hard to get it.. just as with anything else.

Thanks for the writeup but here is where I have problems with everything taking place online. What some people are describing as hype is really just lies.

In my opinion many of these new launches are all "Jumping the Shark" which is creating a bad name for this industry. Nobody wants FTC guidelines or government intervention but at the rate we are going there will be no choice because of sales letters full of lies....sorry make that hype.

The nigerian scams also work on hype, greed and lust but that doesn't make them legal.

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Sadhu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimG

Nobody wants FTC guidelines or government intervention but at the rate we are going there will be no choice because of sales letters full of lies....sorry make that hype.

The nigerian scams also work on hype, greed and lust but that doesn't make them legal.
Tim

I can't agree more with you Tim. However, I also am quite surprised to receive the email from 2 people that passed my rootless "unsubscribing" from all spooky lists.

It may be due to a NY season or they booth mixed up a lists I don't know.

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GlenH

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimG

Thanks for the writeup but here is where I have problems with everything taking place online. What some people are describing as hype is really just lies.

In my opinion many of these new launches are all "Jumping the Shark" which is creating a bad name for this industry. Nobody wants FTC guidelines or government intervention but at the rate we are going there will be no choice because of sales letters full of lies....sorry make that hype.

The nigerian scams also work on hype, greed and lust but that doesn't make them legal.

Respectfully,
Tim

Hey Tim,

You are 100% correct.

When does 'hype' switch to be become downright lies?

We've all seen more of this stuff it in the past year than ever before.

And it's getting worse.

You can bet someone from the FTC is sitting on the sidelines watching all this, and I have no doubt they'll bring out the 'big stick' and come down on someone with it sooner rather than later.

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theLakenGroup

14 years ago

Yeah Melody, Alarm Bells are a ring'n!!!

for instance, ONLY four videos........that are 2-3 HOURS long!

LOL, wow, that's a lot of video watching and note taking for SOFTWARE that only requires 13 CLICKS. Why in the world, is it necessary to watch 8-12 hours of video, when you only need to perform 13 clicks of the mouse?

I'll pass,

Laken

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jburdic

14 years ago

I felt the same way.

I was like 4 videos ok cool.

4 videos = 8hours of video.

8 HOURS, come on can't they condense it into some pdfs, too.

IDK, anyone buy any of the upsells? is it worth it?

Originally Posted by theLakenGroup

Yeah Melody, Alarm Bells are a ring'n!!!

for instance, ONLY four videos........that are 2-3 HOURS long!

LOL, wow, that's a lot of video watching and note taking for SOFTWARE that only requires 13 CLICKS. Why in the world, is it necessary to watch 8-12 hours of video, when you only need to perform 13 clicks of the mouse?

I'll pass,

Laken

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niceweb

14 years ago

All these new 37 dollar products follow the same - Activate - Click - Profit method. Its getting really old. We are not that stupid.

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Gary Pettit

14 years ago

Just received an email from Liz Tomey (who I've always trusted) She diffently agrees that the sales letter is incredibly hyped up and cheezy....however she also says that if you can get past the sales letter it's actully a very awesome product...unlike a lot of the other recent products that have similar sales pages and promises. I would think that the high profile gurus would have changed there sales page tactics by now since so many people are turned off by those kind of sales pages.

I'll wait and see on this one but most likely will not purchase. The sales page is such a turnoff I don't seem to care what they offer

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yesacpow

14 years ago

I agree with you that the sales page is very hyped but as I said above aside from we internet marketers, that works for them.

Fact is most people who knows very little about IM will gravitate towards that type of stuff.

Imagine working at Walmart making a few dollars per hour and then you got an email that you could literally making thousands of dollars overnight for just a $37 investment!

See what I am saying?

Originally Posted by sparkie2260

Just received an email from Liz Tomey (who I've always trusted) She diffently agrees that the sales letter is incredibly hyped up and cheezy....however she also says that if you can get past the sales letter it's actully a very awesome product...unlike a lot of the other recent products that have similar sales pages and promises. I would think that the high profile gurus would have changed there sales page tactics by now since so many people are turned off by those kind of sales pages.

I'll wait and see on this one but most likely will not purchase. The sales page is such a turnoff I don't seem to care what they offer

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kyleb

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yesacpow

I agree with you that the sales page is very hyped but as I said above aside from we internet marketers, that works for them.

Fact is most people who knows very little about IM will gravitate towards that type of stuff.

Imagine working at Walmart making a few dollars per hour and then you got an email that you could literally making thousands of dollars overnight for just a $37 investment!

See what I am saying?

Of course it can work, the difference is, is it ethical.

And the answer is no. It is unethical and plain idiotic.

It's very sad, and disgusting to scam others by making false outlandish claims and taking their money. Really $37, 13 clicks, and then you can take Click Bank to the cleaners... Sad. More like you guys are trying to take your customers to the cleaners.

They are Online Con Artists. Much of it Smoke And Mirrors.

LIE from the Sales page:

Here’s why:

We’re only making a total of 200 copies available - they will be gone in a matter of minutes – not days – not months.

Right guys, do you still expect us to believe this sort of nonsense?

Matt & Alen, you have lost my respect with this product.

So many IMers these days are nothing more than Con Artists.

They are Online con artists and I look forward to the day when I get to rip them new one's.

Because the day is coming...

Online Con Artists will get theirs eventually.

Real Value is easy to find. You can spot it in 10 seconds on a sales page.

I'm not saying the product in of itself is not worth $37 maybe it is. I don't care to find out personally. The claims that are made on the sales page are full of hype and lies.

An an instant turn off and screams unethical to me.

It's like buying something from the guy that sells the Magic Elixir in the town square back in the days.

It's all marketing. I know marketing. That's all it is. But many people decide that ethics don't play a part in their marketing.

If anyone believes they can spend $37 then make thousands daily with 13 clicks, etc. etc., they are idiots.

In the end, it always takes hard work and dedication. But of course you won't read that on a sales page.

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Martin Brock

14 years ago

Oh, don't you just love it when confirmed jv partners and/or friends of the authors jump in to defend something like this.

Fact:

- they're lying about the number of copies being sold
- it doesn't do what it says on the tin (obviously)

And that is "acceptable hype"? How about we call it what it is: blatant lies or false advertising. You choose - just get real about the realities here; then you guys can promote the hell out of this for all I care.

If you look at the jv page link you'll see what this is really about:

- Money
- Power
- Respect

For the "authors" and their "friends" of course.. it's a contest of whose got the bigger one. The product itself is a mere footnote.

Buy a War room membership, or Paul Myers' recent course on list building instead - at least that way your money won't just fill the coffers of people who are completely and utterly bereft of common decency and respect for other people.

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niceweb

14 years ago

Well said, my fellow viking.

Originally Posted by Martin Brock

Oh, don't you just love it when confirmed jv partners and/or friends of the authors jump in to defend something like this.

Fact:

- they're lying about the number of copies being sold
- it doesn't do what it says on the tin (obviously)

And that is "acceptable hype"? How about we call it what it is: blatant lies or false advertising. You choose - just get real about the realities here; then you guys can promote the hell out of this for all I care.

If you look at the jv page link you'll see what this is really about:

- Money
- Power
- Respect

For the "authors" and their "friends" of course.. it's a contest of whose got the bigger one. The product itself is a mere footnote.

Buy a War room membership, or Paul Myers' recent course on list building instead - at least that way your money won't just fill the coffers of people who are completely and utterly bereft of common decency and respect for other people.

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JasonParker

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Brock

Oh, don't you just love it when confirmed jv partners and/or friends of the authors jump in to defend something like this.

Fact:

- they're lying about the number of copies being sold
- it doesn't do what it says on the tin (obviously)

And that is "acceptable hype"? How about we call it what it is: blatant lies or false advertising. You choose - just get real about the realities here; then you guys can promote the hell out of this for all I care.

If you look at the jv page link you'll see what this is really about:

- Money
- Power
- Respect

For the "authors" and their "friends" of course.. it's a contest of whose got the bigger one. The product itself is a mere footnote.

Buy a War room membership, or Paul Myers' recent course on list building instead - at least that way your money won't just fill the coffers of people who are completely and utterly bereft of common decency and respect for other people.

For someone who's never seen the inside of a product sure does know about the correlations between what's on a sales page and what's inside a product.

You must be psychic. This is exciting. How many fingers am I holding up?

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Martin Brock

14 years ago

I'm already regretting getting involved in this.

How do you know what I've seen and what I haven't seen? Maybe you're the psychic?

I'm not surprised that you (as a joint venture partner for this product - correct?) disagree with me.

This is too tiresome to participate in any further, and we'll yet again get nowhere.. hopefully next time I'll have the foresight to conclude that in advance.

Originally Posted by JasonParker

For someone who's never seen the inside of a product sure does know about the correlations between what's on a sales page and what's inside a product.

You must be psychic. This is exciting. How many fingers am I holding up?

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Mike Baker

14 years ago

I logged into my email account today and I received not 1, not 2, but 5 emails about this product from who I thought were ethical guys, but it seems they don't give a crap what they promote these days as long as there is money to made. These kind of people really give the whole IM business a bad name.

Here's who I received an email about this product.

1. Sean Donahoe
2. Anik Singal
3. Jason Parker
4. Michael Jones
5. Bryan Winters

Originally Posted by JasonParker

For someone who's never seen the inside of a product sure does know about the correlations between what's on a sales page and what's inside a product.

You must be psychic. This is exciting. How many fingers am I holding up?

See this is how the industry is getting a bad rep. The only reason I reckon you are here is because you are an affiliate and hope to make more sales by making a post.

How do you he hasn't seen the inside of a product? You must be the physic one.

Your last comment is the reason why I am unsubscribing from your list. You have now lost a potential money maker.

Good luck with your future endeavors.

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PhotogJohn 14 years ago

They are only going to sell 200, but then they talk behind what they think are closed doors about breaking a gravity record. Hmmmm........
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kyleb

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Brock

Oh, don't you just love it when confirmed jv partners and/or friends of the authors jump in to defend something like this.

Fact:

- they're lying about the number of copies being sold
- it doesn't do what it says on the tin (obviously)

And that is "acceptable hype"? How about we call it what it is: blatant lies or false advertising. You choose - just get real about the realities here; then you guys can promote the hell out of this for all I care.

If you look at the jv page link you'll see what this is really about:

- Money
- Power
- Respect

For the "authors" and their "friends" of course.. it's a contest of whose got the bigger one. The product itself is a mere footnote.

Buy a War room membership, or Paul Myers' recent course on list building instead - at least that way your money won't just fill the coffers of people who are completely and utterly bereft of common decency and respect for other people.

Amen Dude. The fact is many marketers lie. It's wrong, plain and simple. I hope they get caught up in their lies and eventually it comes to bite them in the Ass.

The good thing is that the field is wide open for Ethical Marketers who tell the truth, and those are the guys I follow and will continue to give my business too.

Originally Posted by JasonParker

For someone who's never seen the inside of a product sure does know about the correlations between what's on a sales page and what's inside a product.

You must be psychic. This is exciting. How many fingers am I holding up?

It has nothing to do with any of that Jason. The fact is they lie on the Sales page.

Are you saying they are not lying about the number of copies being sold?
That's really all there is too it. It doesn't matter if it is the best damn product int he world.

If the copy is full of lies, the marketers are unethical. There is not much more to be said about it. If you defend it, you are casting your lot with them and it shows your character...

A lie may take care of the present, but it has no future. ~Author Unknown

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Jim Hudson 14 years ago

I have a sneaking suspicion that the only way this will work is with the upsells. I wonder how many there are? I also have seen the same ol' crapola being dropped on us and it does set the alarm bells ringing. I see that they may have tested it all year, and not just the December results. Who is to say the program would still work anyways?

Look to much like so many of exact same launches with just a different name. Re-do the sales page and buy a new domain, that's probably all they did.

I will stick with my current biz and save the hassle..
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rickybuitrago

14 years ago

Here's the details of the course and how he did it:

The course is about affiliate marketing. Both Matt and Allen shows you how to find good products to promote and tips and strategies to get good ranking so that you can get free traffic.

Now what they do is to funnel that traffic to a squeeze page to build a list of subscribers they can market to. (hence in the video, the sales were more than likely from an email broadcast.)

No how does the automation part comes in?

Well in the latter part of the course, Matt and Allen will show you were you can find great talented people where you can outsource for very little and have your business run on auto-pilot.

Look I don't want to give away too much details but I can say that

1. This course has lots of good stuff...
2. But if you are already making good money online, you may find it better to invest in backlinks or something lol.

What about the free traffic he mentions through the entire sales letter? Where does this free traffic come from? He rules out SEO...

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yesacpow

14 years ago

The free traffic comes from the search engines but as I said they stress alot about outsourcing most of the stuff so you wont be doing it yourself.

So I guess that's why they ruled it out because you are not working on it yourself.

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What about the free traffic he mentions through the entire sales letter? Where does this free traffic come from? He rules out SEO...

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yossic

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yesacpow

The free traffic comes from the search engines but as I said they stress alot about outsourcing most of the stuff so you wont be doing it yourself.

So I guess that's why they ruled it out because you are not working on it yourself.

Yea but if you are outsourcing it then you have to pay for it. You can't outsource for free!

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jrafique

14 years ago

I know all of you are sick of blind landing pages. But this time a blind landing page has got a valuable product at least for those who are starting or have been earning little or little more.

Product is about selecting and developing sites for different niches and then building lists to earn money. Concept is simple but they are explaining in a very professional manner with some very good recommendations.

1st Video - Introduction:
A 24 minutes video where they just give you a little overview of what they are going to cover.

2nd Video - Defining Strategies
2 hours long video. This is where they explain how everything will work and give some examples of their own sites. They take everything from scratch. They give you 3 templates here to use and recommend some free and paid resources here.

3rd Video - Implementation
2.50 hours long video. This is very much step by step on how to build the sites and implementing all strategies that they say are proven for them for many years. And to me that is realistic what they talk about.

4th Video - Automation
Here they recommend outsourcing all the stuff for less money and have lots of more things that are helpful.

The Software
Don't give much importance to the software because it will only help in playing with keywords and selecting niche, But I like the way it works and helps a lot in selecting a niche.

I have been making good money from affiliate marketing. What I consider good is more than $5k per month. And I am using their model already but a lot of recommendations from them has really touched my heart and I will implement those certainly in the near future.

To me it is worth more than $37.

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warrenski

14 years ago

If the reason you don't have to do much work yourself is because you outsource it all, well outsourcing costs money...

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jrafique 14 years ago

Originally Posted by warrenski

If the reason you don't have to do much work yourself is because you outsource it all, well outsourcing costs money...

You are very much right. For me I think one should do at his/her own because he/she will do in a best but if you want to go into several niches then you can easily outsource it because you will already be making good money from existing sites. One thing is sure it makes money and they only way to win the race slow and steadily
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warrenski

14 years ago

Thanks, Jrafique. I would also say that outsoucing is probably for when you are more experienced and are making money from your particular method so you know what you are doing and what to look for. I hope I can get to that stage someday

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14 years ago

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PhotogJohn

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IrishMarketer

Hi Folks

i have the product and the upsells and i like i.
Now i am a friend of matt bacaks so lets be honest from the start.

So the product is as outlined above, great fro newbies, cool for experienced marketers as I learned a lot from the videos e.g. site leakage etc.

On the slaes letter tehy all use the top copy writers so yes they will have some of the same stuff, look it works it works right. the creepy voice is Alen Sultanic, matts partner on this.

Software works
upsells work

If you want the low down just go to the affiliate site and check it for your self Mass Money Makers JV's: Gain Money. Power. Resect. on Dec. 28th.

They explain the product etc.

Also its on clickbank so we can get a full refund forup to 60 days so buy and try it is my view, I dont like it I get a refund.
of course you don't have to pay full price if you buy through your own clickbank ID.

hope this Helps
Anthony

On that page it dispels the myth that this thing is $39.

It says on the sales page in the link I quoted above.

1. Our front end offer is $37

2. Our 1st one time offer is $297

3. Our 2nd one time offer is $197

4. Our 3rd one time offer is $97

Which totals out to be up to $628 per sale.........

Maybe they have a good system......if you have $628 to give them first.

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Matthew Shelton

14 years ago

One of the sales videos has the narrator saying "holy crap" over and over again

- I get so tired of this type of language online.
Is something "holy" or is it "crap"?

- they are opposites and mutually exclusive and personally I don't buy from people who speak like that, I don't care what their claims are.
If you are numb to that kind of language, fine. It just hits my delete button.

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lefty359

14 years ago

Not only is the sales letter familiar, these similar sounding names are all starting to blend together for me.

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LizTomey

14 years ago

First off Sparkie2260... Thank you. I appreciate that, and you and people like you are the reason why I am VERY careful of what I promote.

As I said in my email the sales letter is so flippin hyped up. I love Matt dearly. Have learned a ton from him, but this is his style along with many others. I come from the school of here is what my product does, here's who it's for, you should buy it if... No crazy claims.

Is it right or wrong to fill your sales page full of hype? I don't do it, but I wouldn't say its wrong. Is it wrong to lie? Damn right it is...

I wont judge anyone... I just educate my peeps (ie, my readers and customers) about what is going to help them...

So the question here is... Is this a good product? Yes, I think it's a really good product. I would not use the techniques myself. I would/am outsourcing them. I'm also showing my peeps exactly what I'm doing with the system and I do recommend outsourcing all of this.

The techniques will work great to build a list, and that's what this product shows you to do. That's why I like it...

Just my two cents...

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jrafique

14 years ago

@IrishMarketer: Can you tell us who you are? Because you have just registered and have only 3 posts all on both mass money makers thread.

By this I really don't mean this you are giving any wrong information but we all want to know what relation you have with Matt.

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@jarfique
Straight question, straight answer. i studied with matt and I consider him a friend and mentor. i promote his products along with others. the reason i have only three posts is my laptop died bought a mac and embarrassingly could not remember my login.

i have uploaded videos on you tube for this product and have goggle alerts running for mass money makers so this thread and the other came up, so i decided to comment.

On the sales letter and stuff, guys you can make your own decision, All I know is that matt makes a lot of money and gets great reviews, he started me in this business and without him and the support of his team. i would not be where I am today.

Hope that answers your question
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Tim Franklin

14 years ago

I appreciate the review as well, I had checked online and found lots of aff offers and bonus offers, but few real world reviews, What I take away from this is that what is possible and what is probable are two different things.

When I look at all the emails promoting this thing, it is obvious that many of the marketers did not really even know what this was about before promoting it,

It has a slick front end, but from what I am seeing from actual customers is that it is not entirely what it is advertised to be, in reality, there are seasons in selling, we have just reached the end of one such season, arguably the most prolific selling season of the year, is from OCT to DEC, so if you buy it today,

Will you make 7 Grand over night, (Me Thinks not)

Will you make 7 bucks over night, perhaps, if you work really hard.

The sales page would seem to suggest that you can profit like a baboon in a room full of lizards, (makes about as much sense as most hyped copy you read these days)

Over all, I think this one fails to provide the advertised benefits.

But hey that is what this is about, you can really learn a lot about the failures of others, in this case the failure to deliver a real product that can provide real usability and profit to the end user.

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PhotogJohn

14 years ago

And their goal seems to be a 2,000 gravity on Clickbank with this product.

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great2bme 14 years ago

Originally Posted by PhotogJohn

And their goal seems to be a 2,000 gravity on Clickbank with this product.

That makes a lot of sense. Price it so that the Clickbank gravity jumps up high and will, therefore, be promoted by more affiliates, resulting in additional upsells being sold plus a MUCH larger list created for future marketing.

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Matthew Shelton

14 years ago

well a good thing about this promotion is it makes it clear who to unsubscribe from - this is the time of year for clearing out the dead wood anyway, isn't it!

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papeter 14 years ago

I have signed up for the basic $39 and rejected the upsells so far, but I am still listening to the 4th UPSELL (as I type) phew this is hard work listening to that creepy voice.

There could even be a 5th UPSELL or even more yet this introductory video after payment has been on for 40 mins and he's still speaking (repeating - repeating & repeating)!

I will enlighten you after he's finished his spiel.

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- Ray Erdmann 14 years ago
  
  I agree w/what yesacpow said....all the recent product launches coming out of Clickbank these days all seem to be pushing/indicating/leaing to a "click a button, sit back and watch your bank account become an unstoppable ATM!" type of hype and it does get old VERY FAST.
  
  <On A Side Note: I've yet to see a product launch like this come out of PayDotCom Merchants! Have you?>
  
  HOWEVER
  
  If these types of sales pages, with their OVER THE TOP pre-hype [outside of the MMO niche] didn't work, successful marketers wouldn't use them!
  
  Whether YOU believe the hype ain't worth it, that's ok, but to those who are unemployed, in between jobs, know nothing about the MMO niche, etc.,etc., they, IMHO, gravitate towards these types of product launches and only those who really have a desire to want to succeed, make them work. For those who don't and/or can't, then the bad-mouthing about affiliate marketing continues.
  
  So, that being said, pass your own judgment on the 'content' (information) and not the 'cover' (sales page) of the program before you start throwing rocks from within that glass house you reside in!
  
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neodarth

14 years ago

If you think Matt's voice is creepy you should listen to him live on a seminar

... I like Matt's style, I like his dirty newsletter I learned a lot from it.

Is a shame that most of the well known names on the IM business had fall into the hype and the blind sales letter, this misguided tendency has make to many of us to enter into a massive unsubscribe frenzy (I personally now spend no more than 5 minutes a day reading all my mails accounts, its kinda a relief)

Just my two cents about Mass Money Makers, Matt is a serious marketer and I trust him, Alec is another good guy and despite of the quality of the sales letter I think they could delivered a great product and any newbie could take advantage of this and actually learn something.

For the more advanced one, it's probably one or two tips that you can dig out from this with just the basic package (without the upsells).

I miss PDF's because I'm a reader, but If you have the time, the patience and a good bandwidth then you should give it a try if you don't like it simply say hello to mr. refund.

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novac 14 years ago

Originally Posted by neodarth

If you think Matt's voice is creepy you should listen to him live on a seminar ...

At first I couldn't place the voice and then thought it was Dr. Mike, but then I remembered Matt's voice. I came over here and couldn't stop laughing with you all.
But, aren't we afraid of being offensive? Or, are we just assuming that the fat wallet will cushion the blow(s)...

I gotta admit, that video was getting my attention. Was Clickbank going to have enough money for all of us? Oh, well.
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lior1970

14 years ago

Is it again one of the rehashed products?

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JasonParker

14 years ago

My 2 cents...

I've been inside the members area.

Insane value for a mere $37.

This could easily go for $197 or up.

You get hours of video training and a nice piece of software.

You can say all you want about anything you want, but when it comes down to it... this is one seriously kickass product.

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John Reed

14 years ago

I don't like beating up on other marketers just because I dislike their methods but I have to add a view here:
As Matt is a big name why does he feel it necessaryto lie about scarcity?
It kicks the legs from under the whole Sales Page, regardless of the fact that to most of us this is almost identical to so many of the last month's churn of hypey sales pages.

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dontono7 14 years ago

Gang,

I was curious enough to actually purchase the product, and all I can say is the over-hype about the product is just that. If it sounds too good to be true, guess what? It is and I will ask for a refund, as there is nothing new except for the "secret" keyword software (not).

I also hate to bash other IM'ers but I'm sure they will still make a killing off this product, as it does appeal to newbies and has enough info to help them, at least a little.

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Adam Roy

14 years ago

There's very few marketers these days whom I respect anymore. It's all the same thing, the same false promises, hell they don't even want you to know what it is.

Aside from the products themselves, and I can't even begin to mention how many times I've hit the 'unsubscribe' button and lost respect for marketers whom I thought were the real deal, and actually care about what they send to their subscribers.

If I personally had a software, technique, or strategy that would take me from nothing, to thousands overnight you bet I'd show you the entire thing on video.

I'd show you the software, I'd show you the empty account, I'd show me running the program, or I'd tell you how the strategy can actually work, then show the results.

You don't make money overnight with SEO, period. You DEFINITELY would never make the kind of money they show, by selecting keywords, niches and building sites.

Even if you keep press releases in Google news on the first page for an entire day, you still won't make that much money with Google because they can't be promotional.

I watched the video, and read the letter, and from what I see above the product itself is not even slightly congruent with the sales pitch.

You know, these people would make so much more money if they could build the 'trust' factor in their customers before and after the sale. I see very few trying to build trust, or be honest with their customers.

There was another push button product that just came out. The guy talked about how 'gurus are lying to you', this and that while he's sitting there saying you'll make 100k a month with just a few clicks of a mouse.

My advice, from reading the reviews above and having looked over the sales page, is to just stop buying 'blind' offers. Buy things you know you need or want to learn, and buy it on purpose!

When you buy 'blind' offers like this one, you're just gambling. You don't know if you'll gain value, you don't know if you'll make money, you don't know anything except for some joker saying 'holy crap this is crazy' is showing income that's not even the slightest bit generated from the methods he's apparently teaching in the course.

What he should have done, is say, this is how you whip up an IM product full of hype with a 'blind offer' and watch the sales pour in. In that case, his video would have fit perfectly.

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boknows

14 years ago

Its official
This is a slick product
By slick marketers
You guys crack me up
This is the most over hyped system of the day
I think I received about emails from 30 guns promoting it today!
And it is a very nice offering at $37
However the self adoration, the repetitive nature of the way they teach?
Then the drive to the bottom marketing techniques! What do they think we are?
Its official ~ Matt and Alen and the 30 or so guns today ~ I proclaim you 'sell outs'
Seriously, why take a killer product and ho it out so hard?
Come on, let's bring the quality to our marketplace, and lose the count dracula fake voice to hype falsehoods? Otherwise you are detracting from the actual quality. Finally, the upsell system ~ brilliant ~ new records will be hit by lame believers buying the holy cr*p fake self adoring hype.

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LizTomey

14 years ago

Oh, don't you just love it when confirmed jv partners and/or friends of the authors jump in to defend something like this.

Fact:

- they're lying about the number of copies being sold
- it doesn't do what it says on the tin (obviously)

And that is "acceptable hype"? How about we call it what it is: blatant lies or false advertising. You choose - just get real about the realities here; then you guys can promote the hell out of this for all I care.

If you look at the jv page link you'll see what this is really about:

- Money
- Power
- Respect

For the "authors" and their "friends" of course.. it's a contest of whose got the bigger one. The product itself is a mere footnote.

Buy a War room membership, or Paul Myers' recent course on list building instead - at least that way your money won't just fill the coffers of people who are completely and utterly bereft of common decency and respect for other people.

It's not cool to cast your net of nastiness on to everyone who has promoted this product.

First off... I am not Matt's friend... A friend is someone you hang out with, can call on for help, and that you personally know. Matt is none of these things to me, so I haven't jumped on promoting this to stroke the belly of a friend.

Second, I don't have male genitalia so any contest of who has the bigger one I don't participate in.

And third even if I could beat out ALL the bigger boys for a $10,000 cash prize, if I wanted a $10,000 cash prize I would sell my own product.

I promoted Matt's product because I have learned a ton from him, I have had him personally help me with his input on things (of which has made me a great deal of money), and I actually went through the entire product and what is taught will build lists for you...

I don't promote anything just to make a buck. I promote things because my peeps rely on me to tell them what works and what doesn't, and I wont promote something that doesn't.

So before you start throwing rocks watch where you're aiming...

Liz

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Gary Pettit 14 years ago

Liz... You diffently deserve an award for quote of the day here
Thanks for making me smile.

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Second, I don't have male genitalia so any contest of who has the bigger one I don't participate in.
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LizTomey

14 years ago

Buy things you know you need or want to learn, and buy it on purpose!

Totally agree... Those poor souls who have no clue need to latch on to someone who they can trust. Find that ONE person you can trust and listen to them. That's what I did when I got started. I still thank God every day for Jimmy D. Brown.

He was my lifeline when I got started years ago, and if it weren't for his guidance I'd be lost like so many others out there.

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Mike Baker

14 years ago

The thing that got under my skin while watching the video, was when he logged in the 2nd day and said "holy crap" a few times. This was so fake! Why? If you read the sales page you notice they "tested" this for 18 months making over $2,000,000. So if by setting a new account to show us that this works and then logging in and pretending to be surprised is just beyond gaining any trust from me. I mean come on! How stupid do these guys think we are?

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Vincenzo Oliva

14 years ago

The basic $37 (without upsells) is a steal. Great advice from Alen Saltanic who's a borderline genius. Great "Money Machine" templates and pretty super software that rivals Marketing Samurai in some ways.
Truthfully it's really Alen's course with Matt as the big named "host" like Ryan Deiss has been doing lately.

BUY THIS

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Adam Roy 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Vincenzo Oliva

pretty super software that rivals Marketing Samurai

It's 'Market' Samurai by the way.

How is this software similar?
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djbory

14 years ago

The product may be OK; however, all the lies on the sales letter really make me very angry! I think some gurus have been crossing the line lately. The sales later is not full of hype, it is full of blatant lies. Period. I'm unsubscribing from everyone who's sending me e-mails promoting this product.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by djbory

The product may be OK; however, all the lies on the sales letter really make me very angry! I think some gurus have been crossing the line lately. The sales later is not full of hype, it is full of blatant lies. Period. I'm unsubscribing from everyone who's sending me e-mails promoting this product.

DJB

That's just another perfect example of why even these people's JV's will be unhappy with them.

The last thing an affiliate wants during a mailing is a MASSIVE unsubscribe rate.

That's exactly what happens when they promote a product like this, they lose so many loyal subscribers they worked so hard to earn because they couldn't take the time to actually REVIEW the product they're recommending.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the big list owners lost 10% or more of their subscribers because of the blatant false claims and HYPE in the sales funnel.

I mean think about it, if you have a list of 100k+ subscribers (I know FOR A FACT some of the guys emails I got have higher than this), you're obviously making money. So why not spend the darn $37, realize it's not good enough for your list, and look for something else to promote.

I don't mind getting affiliate links via e-mail, that's not my issue, my issue is the fact that these people could care less about their list, I AM THEIR LIST, a real person on the other end of the e-mail.

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Bcrewse1 14 years ago

"If you can click your mouse 13 times and if you can click the submit button once"......

That pretty much says is all. They are counting on you to do exactly that and purchase their product. I think it takes about 13 clicks and press the "pay" button and Matt, his bud and all the JV's promoting this make a good chunk of change. So, there is your truth in advertising..=)

I could say more but that would just be reflecting what everyone else has said in this thread but would like to add that I don't EVER hesitate on pulling the "buy" trigger on products that just spell out what they do and how they can help me accomplish what I need to do. The more I know about the product being sold...the quicker I buy. I see pitches like this one and I am gone in 60 seconds....and so are all the JV's I get in my inbox promoting it. And, just to be clear...this is NOT about the product being sold...it's about the way it is being sold. It just tells me that the product obviously cannot sell itself and the only buttons I am pushing at that point is....Unsubscribe....
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Sim and Emilis

14 years ago

Hey Everyone,

After recieving a lot of mails promoting this product, I went and bought it, not on the salespage, but on Jani G's opinion.

Ok. First of all, there are 4 modules. They teach you the method. And note, you don't directly make money with your software, you first do keyword research, niche research, set up your website, add autoresponder and get the content. All the software does is checks for keywords, niches, and stuff.

The main principle is to build a squeeze page(they provide one!) on a good SEO keyword and bring traffic to it. Nothing new.

So forget about "13 clicks to $7k per day". Each website will require a lot of time. Around 1-2 hours maybe more.

If you are a newbie, I think you should go for it.

But NOTE: This method requires you to have Adobe Photoshop($1000), and many other softwares.

So if you have a lot of cash to spend, you can go for it.

Otherwise, I highly recommend you dont'.

The only thing I liked in the course was the squeeze page. They look very attractive and I might use them.

Also, I am not saying that the method won't work. I am saying that it will require time, money, effort and more than 13 clicks. And not to forget, it is nothing new!

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jrafique

14 years ago

I didn't like way it is being sold but I like what they are giving in $37. Its certainly a steal.

What I found in this thread is almost everyone is bashing the product owner, jv's and affiliates. People come here to see the product reviews rather the stuff you people are talking about.

Ok let me tell you one thing here that the business model they are recommending is already making me at average $7k+ per month if I take the average of last 6 months and continuously improving. Still I have learned some good things from it.

Did you buy the product? If not then don't post your comments about the product when you don't know what you are talking about.

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Jason Fladlien

14 years ago

Well is it a great product? I checked it out and I think it's great for someone who buys it with the right expectations. To get a solid foundational understanding of setting up these small niche sites and outsourcing traffic to it (and picking the right niches, and creating a good conversion process).

But if someone buys it on the expectations of what they're led to believe (from the sales letter), then this is a horrible product.

"All it takes is 4 videos to watch, 13 clicks to make, and one button to activate it". No it doesn't. So if you bought it because of this, you're getting a horrible product, plain and simple... because it doesn't even come close to what it's advertised to do.

They're letting you in by invitation and keeping the page "hidden" - therefore it will be more effective for YOU since you're one of only 200 who know these sacred secrets. FALSE - everybody has been invited to it. You have no competitive advantage because of exclusivity. So if you bought it for this reason - it's a horrible product.

"100% free traffic". Outsourcing is not free. So if you bought this because you were led to believe that you could do this without spending money to generate the traffic - then it's a horrible product.

If you bought it because you thought you could 1)configure the system 2) activate the software and 3) copy, paste and profit... then you're in for a rude awakening because this product will not deliver that... thus making it a horrible product since it promised this and completely failed to deliver on it.

You don't need any previous experience, technical expertise, how to build a website, spend ANYTHING on advertising, or wait months to succeed... or even be an expert. FALSE. FALSE. FALSE. So if you bought this product thinking it will help you succeed with no experience at all... then it is a horrible product.

If you bought this to get a good foundational understanding of picking profitable niches and outsourcing the grunt work for some IMO basic but effective SEO, then yeah this is a great deal for $37.

But how many people you think are buying it because of THAT? Almost no one. Hence, for most people it will be a horrible product.

Originally Posted by jrafique

I didn't like way it is being sold but I like what they are giving in $37. Its certainly a steal.

What I found in this thread is almost everyone is bashing the product owner, jv's and affiliates. People come here to see the product reviews rather the stuff you people are talking about.

Ok let me tell you one thing here is the business model they are recommending is already making me at average $7k+ per month if I take the average of last 6 months and continuously improving. Still I have learned some good things from it.

Did you buy the product? If not then don't post your comments about the product when you don't know what you are talking about.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jason Fladlien

Well is it a great product? I checked it out and I think it's great for someone who buys it with the right expectations. To get a solid foundational understanding of setting up these small niche sites and outsourcing traffic to it (and picking the right niches, and creating a good conversion process).

But if someone buys it on the expectations of what they're led to believe (from the sales letter), then this is a horrible product.

"All it takes is 4 videos to watch, 13 clicks to make, and one button to activate it". No it doesn't. So if you bought it because of this, you're getting a horrible product, plain and simple... because it doesn't even come close to what it's advertised to do.

They're letting you in by invitation and keeping the page "hidden" - therefore it will be more effective for YOU since you're one of only 200 who know these sacred secrets. FALSE - everybody has been invited to it. You have no competitive advantage because of exclusivity. So if you bought it for this reason - it's a horrible product.

"100% free traffic". Outsourcing is not free. So if you bought this because you were led to believe that you could do this without spending money to generate the traffic - then it's a horrible product.

If you bought it because you thought you could 1)configure the system 2) activate the software and 3) copy, paste and profit... then you're in for a rude awakening because this product will not deliver that... thus making it a horrible product since it promised this and completely failed to deliver on it.

You don't need any previous experience, technical expertise, how to build a website, spend ANYTHING on advertising, or wait months to succeed... or even be an expert. FALSE. FALSE. FALSE. So if you bought this product thinking it will help you succeed with no experience at all... then it is a horrible product.

If you bought this to get a good foundational understanding of picking profitable niches and outsourcing the grunt work for some IMO basic but effective SEO, then yeah this is a great deal for $37.

But how many people you think are buying it because of THAT? Almost no one. Hence, for most people it will be a horrible product.

You spelled it out perfectly. It's all about deception. They use

1. Scarcity
2. Quick Promise of Success
3. It's EASY, just 1,2,3 you make money.

It's damn Rubbish the way they are promoting it.

Hell you did a better job of describing what it is then they did. But of course yours was minus all the hype.

Some people will do anything to get someone to click BUY these days.

Just Sad and Pathetic and they should be ashamed of the way they are promoting it.

Kyle

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Gary Pettit

14 years ago

Yep....thats why Jason Fladlien has a great reputation as an internet marketer and teacher....most would agree! He would never create a sales page like this and try and pass it off to his subscribers...he cares about his customers to much and would want them to know exactly what it is thats being sold. Just look at his products and sales pages. They are simple and to the point. See...you really can be honest and successful at the same time

Originally Posted by kyleb

You spelled it out perfectly. It's all about deception. They use

1. Scarcity
2. Quick Promise of Success
3. It's EASY, just 1,2,3 you make money.

It's damn Rubbish the way they are promoting it.

Hell you did a better job of describing what it is then they did. But of course yours was minus all the hype.

Some people will do anything to get someone to click BUY these days.

Just Sad and Pathetic and they should be ashamed of the way they are promoting it.

Kyle

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pappyy3 14 years ago

Thankyou everyone. I was curious about this product -- You've just saved me some valuable $$

Came here to read the reviews after receiving the usual influx of promo emails

This sales approach makes me very angry :|, so much so that I've just finished un-subscribing from a dozen or so lists from marketers I used to follow (not any more ...)

Tactics like this are exactly why for the most part I avoid Clickbank products like the plague.

I wonder how many refund requests will be received after people don't make their $thousands overnight??
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maxitman

14 years ago

Indeed, the opinions seem to go from one side to the other, favoring the unethical, but that said, can somebody enlighten me, what exactly is the meat of this offer? Outsourcing, list building(how), email marketing, finding new niches? What? I mean most of us do that already-I think- If one of you has actually bought it, then tell me if there's anything to it(and what it is) instead of just pouring on about ethics and all that. Fair?

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jrafique

14 years ago

Nothing can make huge profits overnight and if something could, then it will not be permanent. I don't know why people think to become millionaire over night. Come on this is not possible.

Actually people have been scammed several time in past months and they now start thinking everything is crap without buying it. MMM is a good product but the way they are promoting is bad and unethical.

Give it a try and if it do not make you money then PM me I will provide free coaching to you that will make you at least $10k in next 6 months. This is not the deal i am giving here but trying to make you understand the worth of the product.

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maxitman

14 years ago

Thanks Jason, as it happened, in between the clicks here, Jason delivered what I was looking for. Now, I just might want to buy it, and to be sure, not because of the sales letter. It gets me thinking tho´, I mean I don't know Matt Bacak from beans, and so either he's trublue or not, but I am thinking that he too, wants to do it right by his customers, that is, if he won't, he no longer has customers-right? So could it be, that he just does not trust the ethical high road in marketing? Like, he'd love to do it, is all for it, and all that, but just can't believe that an average reader(potential buyer) would care rats ass…..i.e., his hype and lies even, will make him more money in the end. What do you think?

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cadillac48

14 years ago

Just the fact that they give the old scarcity line of just 200 being sold is enough to know about this product. Anytime a marketer gives me that line, I know not to go nrar their b.s with a ten foot pole!

Yes, i know it's effective with the newbies, and those that are naive, but they are still downright liars and Liz Tomey should be ashamed of herselffor trying to defend these guys.

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mistermint

14 years ago

wonder how many marketers have burnt thier list with this one...and other similar offers this year!

I was always taught that, in business it's hard to get a new customer but very easy to lose them...

What will 2011 bring I wonder..more of the same or?

Happy and prosperous NY to everyone..

Gordon.

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jrafique

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mistermint

wonder how many marketers have burnt thier list with this one...and other similar offers this year!

I was always taught that, in business it's hard to get a new customer but very easy to lose them...

What will 2011 bring I wonder..more of the same or?

Happy and prosperous NY to everyone..

Gordon.

Did you buy the product? I bet if someone purchase this after anyone's recommendation and implement it, he/she will never think about unsubscribing from the list of person promoted this.

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jrafique 14 years ago

Originally Posted by cadillac48

Liz Tomey should be ashamed of herselffor trying to defend these guys.

She is not defending, just talking about product promotion. No one will defend them against their lies but its better for us to discuss about the quality of the product which is certainly good.
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