What happened to Profit Snatcher - WSO of the Day?

Moderators can see the IP address with every post...If this is set up like other forums that I've been a part of.

Actually yeah it is a Pain in the ass... so if that is the case... and what you say is true... You must have some real haters after you with more technical knowledge then the average online user.

Don't try to call me out man.

If there is nothing going on, then no, I'm not happy about your thread being locked.

I like your style of how you market yourself and your products.

I've said a few times to quite a few people, that I suspected that this product is actually probably quite good.

You're too quick to jump on the "if you're not with me, you're against me" bandwagon. I'm not a hater of yours, even if you want to think I am.

Do I like everything you put out for myself? No.

Do I think the stuff you put out is bad quality for others? No.

You should probably take a step back before you start posting that people are haters.

As for the bluefart people, yeah you're right, it is possible that some shadiness went down. However, I will say, I've never seen it go down where they post positive reviews and comments in a thread, but it could happen.

Tim,

I've had high opinions because I've seen some of your stuff.

The fact that you think nobody on this forum is technologically skilled enough to say anything about the statements you just made. They are completely false and not true, nor possible.

Now that you've made them, prepare to have somebody disbunk them.

First of all IP addresses work in two ways, static and dynamic. Static IP addresses stay the same (99.8% of all broadbrand and DSL networks aka 'digital subscriber line') are ALL static IP addresses. Dynamic IP addresses are quite rare, and if it's dynamic, it changes each time you log in. The chances of multiple people buying your product, being on a dynamic address, getting a hold of that dynamic address you once had and posting in the same IP session that they make their review - statistically impossible.

On to the next point: If your IP is static, you are on it, all the time. Even when the internet is closed or the modem is off, that IP is reserved, because it is YOUR IP and it is how your ISP tracks your useage and activities.

For somebody to accomplish what you are describing would take EXTREME skill and technological knowledge, not to mention time. Let me preface this following section with the info that I know some of this from experience working for an internet security company as an intern in college and doing forensic computer work for almost three years.

This is what would have had to happen in what you are describing:

1. Somebody had a way to get a hold of your IP address. Not hard enough, embed something into an email and get it opened by you, or have you access one of their sites and take your IP, there's multiple ways, this in itself however, not TOO tough for the average computer nerd.

2. They would have had to intercept a packet coming from you computer to figure out the header length among some other factors that are involved. A packet is also known as an IP datagram (something else you probably didn't know). This datagram is broken down into MANY different pieces, including a version, header length, total length, flag, time to live, fragment offset, header checksum, as well as originating and destination IPs, THEN followed by the data.

This means the person would have needed all that information from one of your packets (which in and of itself extracting would take HOURS, it is NOT simple), then they would have to have the binary and hex knowledge to reconstruct the packet in a way that made it look like it was sent from your computer... once again super unlikely, but for the sake of argument let's say somebody hated you enough to do all this and figure all this out.

3. The issue with the entire scenario is that the packets we're talking about are often sent via TCP protocol. It requires a 3 way "handshake" if you will. Sending machine sends a sequence number, receiving machine receives it and sends an acknowledgment to the MACHINE WHERE THE IP IS STATED WITHIN THE DATAGRAM. That means that when the server receives this, the IP being spoofed in this case, your machine, would get an acknowledgement, but not be in the right state to confirm the handshake since it never send the original sequence.

This means your machine would respond to this packet with a non null reset flag, and kill the packet connection.

4. Let's say that they could get around this. The only way to do so would be to have shut off YOUR computer while they were posting these comments, which is obviously NOT the case since you were responding to these comments, and your IP was in use by your machine. Had they done this, they could control your IP's acknowledgments and fix the non null reset flag, and use your IP address.

This however, isn't the case.

5. Most PHP systems and forums as this have built in keys and encryptions that require specific communications from the forum's server and keys stored in the server when posts are made and those keys can only be sent to the IP address of the computer that is detailed in the datagram to be the one making the request. This means that there's no way, even if they shut your IP down, that they could have done this, because they could not have received the key from the server as your account had been logged in that day and received a session key from the server and seems to have been logged in throughout the duration of said "spoofing"

I could get deeper.

All in all, your argument is invalid, and as far as I can tell, not true.

Sorry man - but before you say things like this, there might be somebody with enough knowledge and dedication to prove you aren't telling the truth.

Better luck in your future endeavors.

For what it's worth: Your products were great and probably would have done VERY well without doing something like this, if it's found that you did do this.

Thanks,

- Brenden Clerget

Couldn't have said it better myself. I've noticed this in particular has escalated to a ridiculous point since the WSO affiliate program started.

Everyone and their mother is pushing other people's WSOs so hard it's sickening!

I agree with you. Nobody gets it. But a Mod called him out on it and locked his thread, so it isn't some baseless accusation by a random member.

If it is true, he'll get banned like the others before him who have pulled this stunt.

Hey Warriors:


Ever since the whirlwind started there have been a bunch of rumors. In my personal experience with Tim I've never come across any shadiness to speak of. I would be honest if I had. This is an awesome community here of hard working people that deserve quality and honesty.

Whatever the fluke ended up being yesterday, it should be getting quickly resolved. I would hope that as a supportive community, we would base our opinions on SOLID facts and not just the rumors. With that said I'm sure Tim will be back on in the threads soon to explain things from his end.

As far as the product goes....it's solid. I have it, I love it, and am already seeing results. I'm not here to hype it up. If you don't care for the material that Tim puts out then you should NOT buy it.

This whole craziness will be cleared up soon and then there will still be the ones that analyze the situation and come up with their own opinions and the ones that jump on the first negative comments. Unless the "Head Warrior" himself comes out and says that something corrupt happened, then I'd have no reason to assume otherwise.

Stay cool and let's see what plays out.



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Spoofing a specific IP to match someone else's IP on a forum is difficult.

Way to give details about your answer.

Sounds like a last ditch effort to try to poke holes in REAL explanations.

You purchased through an affiliate who uses WSO Pro- The way that affiliate system is set up you have to get the refund from the affiliate. I'm sorry but I did not get paid for this sale. I have told you this. Also please email my customer support at profitsnatcherteam@gmail.com so they can continue to assist you further in getting a hold of the affiliate so the refund is given. Thanks