JVZoo vs Warrior+

Giving serious consideration to using JVZoo for a launch this month but have a number of questions:

1- Our first launch is a tool in the investment field - a very sophisticated and detailed online ROI calculator. Is JVZoo's affiliate pool right for such a different promotion? This product would be useful to stock, ETF, forex and day trading investors.

2- We use CRM, autoresponder and other software at Infusionsoft. Is there a way to link our JVZoo activity to that?

3- We use a metrics dashboard at Growthink that is linked to Infusionsoft's CRM software. If there is a need to do so, can JVZoo also be linked to the Growthink dashboard?

Sydney

Right yes, you and I are saying the same thing, even though I didn't word it clearly. You voiced the entirety of the issue.

CT

Sorry we won't be seeing you there then Gary, but it's not quite the problem you seem to think it is. The adaptive payment process (not a rotation) was built by Paypal specifically for affiliates to use. You as the affiliate never have contact with the buyer, the receipts always come from the seller and you are simply paid you "cut" after the buyer has paid the seller from the sellers account. You don't even exists as far as the buyer is concerned (Minus the terms of use policy, earnings disclaimer on your site or email, etc).

If it was that big of a "risk", which it's not considering the thousands of people who run their programs on JVZoo, W+, RAP, Digi and others every single day, Paypal would simply close them all down for using such systems.

There was a 6 weeks process to even get approved to build the system through their adaptive payments.

We've even had a group of Clickbank power sellers move over because of how bad Clickbank's refund policies are and their fines they are dishing out because of them. These's guys refund percent since switching? Less than 2% which is a HUGE drop from Clickbank. Why is that? Because Clickbank will give you a refund if you feel like you didn't find your shoes in enough time this morning or what ever other silly reason people come up with. In Paypal, you have a chance to fight it, black list them through JVZoo so they can't buy and just a ton of other options Paypal gives you.

You may not like these systems, but as you can already tell, it's something that's not going away anytime soon. More and more people are going to be wanting to get paid up front and actually search out affiliate programs that do pay that way since it's available.

All kinds of reasons.

Gary -- you've seriously GOT to be kidding me. I know you've been around the block. And I KNOW you've heard about big launches where affiliates didn't get paid.

Even presumably the "best" affiliate programs have issues.

I got a notice last year (or 2010, forget which) from the Treasurer of the Great State of California that they were holding some money for me. Over $500!

From ClickBank.

From 2007.

I haven't moved in over 20 years.

They closed my affiliate account for lack of activity. Hmmmm.... What's wrong with this picture.

So ... can't really blame some folks.

I hear there might be some affiliates from a HUGE launch who are still waiting to get paid. I bet the people who bought through the various' affiliate links still expected their bonuses.

Reality in the IM world.

Live JoyFully!

Judy

Interesting thread everyone look like jvz is winning haven't tried either so can't comment.

Simply PM JVZoo's account here on WF and let them know you are going to be running a WSO and they'll give you instructions on how do get it taken care of

1. Never sold on W+ so i can't talk about them (but have used different platforms that don't do that). What it counts is that seems that you're doing things better, or not? What they do should be their problem. Imho, think that you should offer something better (and more transparent) but not keep with the old tricks that others may do. Your platform looks really well and think that you don't need to oclude it with something like this.

One comment:

.... You're doing business with this (otherwise you wouldn't be sending those mails). Just to make things clear. It's not bad, but you should have the consent from the vendor (even if W+ is doing without it).

2. The "Updates" checkbox that appears on the checkout page is absolutely tricky. Customers think that they will receive updates from vendors, >>> not from JVZoo.

3. Do you mean that unchecking the "make my product elegible...." will turn > your mailing (of any offer) to customers off? Why there's no documentation about this? Turning off this option shouldn't be a mistery.

Will this disable the tricky "Updates" checkbox (mentioned on point 2), that appears on checkbox?? If not, why is there and what is the customer supposed to receive with that?

Finally, i think that mailing to customers that belong to vendors is a good business for you and there's no reason to stay away from it, but with consent. Maybe you can offer an incentive to vendors who opt to share their customers with you etc (could be more fair and reasonable), but the important thing is that vendors should have the control of this.

Overall, your system is very good (beyond some lack of documentation and no way to make test transactions - to test the paypal ipn) and i really wanted to use it until i found this. Think this is the most negative thing it has (from my perspective) but doing something with it will surely make it a better platform.

Quote: Originally Posted by ddev Let me remark one thing you've mentioned (thing that i've tested and that it's NOT good for vendors): They (JVZoo) get the emails from customers that belong to YOU (the VENDOR) and then starts mailing them OTHER offers from their marketplace!!!

I have a big problem with this.

PRIVACY AND SPAM ISSUES

The consent to send an email should be expressly provided by the buyer (whose personal email you are using to send marketing messages) as well as from the seller (who is your customer and paying for your service).

Looking at the JV Zoo privacy policy anyone buying through JV Zoo agrees their email can be shared with others. Under Section 3 about using information that is collected, it can be:

Bryan and EBR, I like both of you and before you note the reference to "reputable" companies and anything you do to try and weed out spammers, we've all been around the block for a number of years and know what happens to email addresses once they are released.

You "share" (i.e., sell) my email to X to market their products. Later X sells it to Y, who packages it and sells it to spammers on Black Hat forums.

This is a spammer's policy.

This also means a JV Zoo seller may not be able to offer a privacy policy promising protection of personal emails because JV Zoo does not keep it private.

If a seller does promise privacy they could be sued for fraud.

I've clicked through a number of JV Zoo marketplace pages and on the order page there is no option for a buyer to opt-out of letting JV Zoo send them marketing messages, and no option to prevent JV Zoo from sharing their email with whoever.


IMPROPER COMPETITION WITH CUSTOMERS

My personal view is that JVZoo needs to decide what role it wants to play: Processor. Marketplace provider. Product seller. Affiliate. It can't seek to wear all hats.

Otherwise, what happens is JV Zoo ends up competing with its customers.

For example, if I list a legal product on JV Zoo I really don't want JV Zoo to be marketing competing products to my buyers.

It could generate refunds. It can bite into a back-end. It most certainly looks bad.

Or JV Zoo "shares" buyer information and suddenly their "reputable" marketer, who may in fact be reputable, is emailing my customers for their competitive product with a table explaining why they think their product is better.

It's not right and an invitation for litigation.

Although WarriorPlus has its own issues, I have never received an email from WarriorPlus unless it was for a (1) wso alert I specifically requested identifying a new product offering from a seller, or (2) confirmation of a purchase.

That's it.

I've even had unique email addresses used only one time for a WSO purchase through WarriorPlus so I would know if there is a spam issue. There hasn't been.


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Bottom line: I think JV Zoo has great potential and feature wise is very exciting and enticing for a number of reasons.

But in the dash to grow fast, be viral, and collect emails to build a list the ramifications, and turn-offs and legal risks have not been well thought through.

Really? If Bob buys one of my legal products is it so critical that JV Zoo markets IM products to Bob (who may perceive IM products to be 'scammy'), or shares his email with someone marketing IM products?

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I bought some stuff that was using JVzoo for product delivery and the checkbox on the checkout pages asked if I want to receive updates (at the bottom of Terms for Sale list already checked). Yes - I want to receive updates for the product I just bought, not for receiving affiliate offers from JVZoo. That is still sneaky.

Your Thank You email was too long to read and was irrelevant to my purchase. After it said I would get an email with download instructions it got deleted.

At no stage was I asked if I want to receive offers from JVzoo unless you class that ambiguous "I would like to be notified of updates" checkbox in the context of a product sale as permission.

As a buyer it annoys me but as a vendor I ask myself why would I pay for a product delivery service that becomes my competition for my own customer. Warrior+ might do it but others don't.

Hey David,

We're busting our butt to release that on Monday It would be out already, but we stopped just for a couple days to make sure we could put the delay feature in. We felt that was just a little more important at this particular moment. But recurring is 99% done, being tested with the delay part and we're pushing hard to get it out on Monday. For SURE this coming week though