Empower Network

12 years ago

The Empower Network is an all in all blogging platforms that provides all members with a blog that increase online exposure to their business.

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crlsgrc

12 years ago

I joined Empower Network about a week ago and I love it so far. Anybody that joins Empower Network has to at least start at the $25 a month level. At this level you get a blog and they do encourage you to post to it daily.

They also have four other products that you can receive commissions The product prices are 25$ a month for the blog, the Inner Circle is 100 a month the Costa Rican Intensive is one time $500 and the 150000 k a month formula is $1000 one time. Buying these products allows you to receive 100% commissions on them. So if you sell the inner circle at $100 a month you get $100 a month commission as long as they stay a member. If you don't buy the product and someone buys it through your link you won't get the commission.

IMO if you market Empower Network the way they tell you and you pick up all the products so you can receive commissions on them and apply what you've learned. I think it's impossible not to make a lot of money from Empower Network because of how good Empower Network is at selling. They're so good that I was thinking about selling my car to pick up the the products.

And it's really not all about money and scamming they're very honest and upfront about everything. And they disclose all their stats so you can see what people are making and it's impressive.

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Jesus Perez

12 years ago

Originally Posted by crlsgrc

I think it's impossible not to make a lot of money from Empower Network because of how good Empower Network is at selling.

Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.

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figgity

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.

Totally agree with you. That's exactly why I would stay away. I know people are saying it's not a ponzi scheme or MLM or a cult, but some of the e-mails I'm getting from people trying to recruit me sure make it seem that way.

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JimDoyle

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.

Hello
I was "all in" as they call it. But I found it next to impossible to sign anyone up under you because there are so many people flogging it.
There are a lot of paid solos that refuse to have anything to do with it as their lists are sick of getting emails about it.

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mcocan 12 years ago

Empower is NOT an MLM program it is direct sales and you earn 100% commissions as an affiliate. They have some of the best products on Internet marketing out there thought by some of the best! I ran into Mike Dillard at the Empower Event in Austin... Why would he be there hmmm....
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cobwab

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.

"Roland Whitsell, a former business professor who spent 40 years researching and teaching the pitfalls of multilevel marketing": "You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone making over $1.50 an hour, (t)he primary product is opportunity. The strongest, most powerful motivational force today is false hope."[30]

^ a b O'Donnell, Jayne (February 10, 2011). "Multilevel marketing or 'pyramid?' Sales people find it hard to earn much". USAToday (Gannett Company). Retrieved April 5, 2011.

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Gabriel75us

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Actually, you won't make any money at all once they close down the program. And they will close their program or sell it to someone else some day.

I wouldn't sell that car just yet.

Edit: If you're new to internet marketing, be careful with all the replies in this thread. It appears everyone on Empower is making money! Does that sound normal? It doesn't to me. These responses are being posted to create curiosity in the hopes you'll send a Private Message to find out "how" they're doing it. They eventually respond with an affiliate link that earns them money and leaves you holding an empty bucket of hope.

It's a tactic that is used to attract you into joining the Empower MLM program. And yes, Empower is an MLM program.

As seasoned as Jesus sounds and probably is, and my respects brother, it seems as though he's not very familiar with the product.

As with any business doors can close on anybody for a number of reasons... Diversify no matter who you're with. This is business 101.

Some companies don't allow you to be involved with other mlms simultaneously - and that's my first question. If that's the case, then bye, bye as far as I'm concerned.

I am involved with one company that puts a cap on how far you can climb, but that's cool. Their health product is awesome and it's mostly about the product for me with them anyway...

If you do a little homework on the company and its founders and all checks out okay, you believe in the product, you feel that the market will respond favorably to it, and you are ready to do some work, then have at it!

As far as Empower Network is concerned, I think that the system and the company culture is great! I'm not making anything worth bragging about yet, but I have internally turned a corner because of their empowering audios...

If you're a newbie and especially you're kind-of spinning your wheels in online marketing or mlm then there is probably something that you have to work out with your mindset, your DMO, systems, or all of the above and Empower is a good place to get your head straight - at least it was for me.

This said, you will need to join at the inner circle level which is the $100/month level. Totally worth it and there's new content coming out 3 (minimum) if not 4 times a month!

Treat it like a business, do the math, and don't be afraid of a little overhead - especially if it makes you or your business better!

It's a must have tool to keep focused and your people focused and motivated.

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Robert02011 11 years ago

Sounds to me you have sour grapes, i`am not a member of empower network but believe the system works.
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xenonlamp

11 years ago

Originally Posted by crlsgrc

I joined Empower Network about a week ago and I love it so far. Anybody that joins Empower Network has to at least start at the $25 a month level. At this level you get a blog and they do encourage you to post to it daily.

They also have four other products that you can receive commissions The product prices are 25$ a month for the blog, the Inner Circle is 100 a month the Costa Rican Intensive is one time $500 and the 150000 k a month formula is $1000 one time. Buying these products allows you to receive 100% commissions on them. So if you sell the inner circle at $100 a month you get $100 a month commission as long as they stay a member. If you don't buy the product and someone buys it through your link you won't get the commission.

IMO if you market Empower Network the way they tell you and you pick up all the products so you can receive commissions on them and apply what you've learned. I think it's impossible not to make a lot of money from Empower Network because of how good Empower Network is at selling. They're so good that I was thinking about selling my car to pick up the the products.

And it's really not all about money and scamming they're very honest and upfront about everything. And they disclose all their stats so you can see what people are making and it's impressive.

you are right sir. But i need immediate mearning

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Robert02011

11 years ago

I agree with you i`am not in empower network yet but have been looking for a product that pays well and can`t find one better than en.

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jambaman2

11 years ago

Empower Network LIE #1: $25 per month to join - PLUS another $20 per month, if you intend on getting PAID!

Empower Network LIE #2: 100% profits - check the compensation plan! You start at 50% and earn 80% after your SIXTH signup

Empower Network LIE #3: Income! Just check the disclaimer: Empower Network: Income Disclosure ONLY the top 1% make $10K or more. 3% average LESS than $9K PER YEAR! The rest make chump change at best

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Josh Monroe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jambaman2

Empower Network LIE #1: $25 per month to join - PLUS another $20 per month, if you intend on getting PAID!

Actually it's $25 to join, $19.95 to re-sell the products as an affiliate.

So when they say $25 to join, it's not a lie it's the truth - You don't have to re-sell the products.

Empower Network LIE #2: 100% profits - check the compensation plan! You start at 50% and earn 80% after your SIXTH signup

Yes, they have pass-ups but you're still keeping 100% of the commission (minus fee's of-course).

Empower Network LIE #3: Income! Just check the disclaimer: Empower Network: Income Disclosure ONLY the top 1% make $10K or more. 3% average LESS than $9K PER YEAR! The rest make chump change at best

They are clearly presenting you with an income disclaimer showing exactly what's earned. So how are they lying about income, when it's right in front of you at the income tab.

Name some other networks that display the amounts earned by members..

As with everything in life, there is always going to be a "top percentage" that earns significantly more than everyone else (That's how the world works).

You state 3% make $9,000/year (or less) that's still insanely good.

I know that there are 100,000 active affiliates so that means that 3,000 people are still making up to $9,000/year whilst only actually "putting in" 15 hours of "work".

Explain how those are bad numbers. 31% of people are at least making $100/month, that's 31,000 people making an extra few hundred bucks per month. Again, please tell me of another opportunity which boasts such high numbers?

What you have to remember is that the whole "make money industry" generally attracts people that are looking for a way to get rich quick, not a business.

The reason that "most people" aren't successful with any sort of biz-op, home business or whatever you want to call it is simply because they're not looking for one. They are looking for a way to get rich quick WITHOUT willing to sacrifice time, money or any of the other things that running a successful business requires.

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annieflora 12 years ago

I signed up with empower network just over 2 weeks and its crazy. I am so impressed and if i knew then what i know now i would have save myself so much money on fake programs and would be making much more than i am making now
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askloz

12 years ago

sounds like your typical MLM program where only the people at the top win... that is not the true MLM program... to not credit someone is a pure sign of a program that will not last and is only designed towards those who can market.. so all they are doing is praying on big marketers to pull in people who dont have clue, and those who give up the sponsors will benefit from it...

a true MLM program has equal earning opportunities as their upline.

E.P = I pass.

Why? cos this type of structure misleads those less experienced.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

sounds like your typical MLM program where only the people at the top win... that is not the true MLM program... to not credit someone is a pure sign of a program that will not last and is only designed towards those who can market.. so all they are doing is praying on big marketers to pull in people who dont have clue, and those who give up the sponsors will benefit from it...

a true MLM program has equal earning opportunities as their upline.

E.P = I pass.

Why? cos this type of structure misleads those less experienced.

Just curious I was thinking about joining E.N. What program do you use that works better? Empower Network pays out 100% commission and residual monthly for the 25 and 100 month plans.

The Empower Network commission plan explained in simple terms. ... Sale #2, #4, #6 and every 5th sale after of the $25 product are passed up. ... on products that you have NOT purchased, will be automatically passed up.

My thoughts? Does it matter if you pass up sales. Everyone you bring in will pass sales to you as long as they stay in and are taught how to make money.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

sounds like your typical MLM program where only the people at the top win... that is not the true MLM program... to not credit someone is a pure sign of a program that will not last and is only designed towards those who can market.. so all they are doing is praying on big marketers to pull in people who dont have clue, and those who give up the sponsors will benefit from it...

a true MLM program has equal earning opportunities as their upline.

E.P = I pass.

Why? cos this type of structure misleads those less experienced.

"Sounds like..."???
Dude, you're only guessing .
Maybe it's you who are misleading people here.

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haslow 12 years ago

Well, to all Warrior Forum Empower Network thread readers, this is my research over months of investigation. I can speak frankly about Empower Network because I am not a member of Empower Network, Empower Network members cannot speak frankly, read why.

I have been waiting a long time to reveal my findings about Empower Network but held off until my information was fully creditable.

Like many I was interested in what Empower Network was all about. I was going to join even thou I did not like the idea of how the founders David Wood and David Sharpe promoted their system, but that's what it is all about, "Their system, Empower Network".

First let me tell you, YOU WILL NEVER SEE A EMPOWER NETWORK MEMBER TALK BAD ABOUT THE EMPOWER NETWORK because when you sign up they put the fear of penalty on you as you MUST agree to the "Terms Of Use" under "CONFIDENTIALITY" which clearly state:

"You agree that you will not make any derogatory statements, either oral or written, or otherwise disparage us, our products, employees, services, work or employment, and will take all reasonable steps to prevent others from making derogatory or disparaging statements. You agree that it would be impossible, impractical, or extremely difficult to fix the actual damages suffered by reason of a breach of this paragraph, and accordingly hereby agree that Company may determine recover five thousand dollars ($5,000) as the amount of damages sustained by reason of each such breach, without prejudice to Company's right to also seek injunctive or other equitable relief."

So do you think that the Davids knew what they were planning was going to be unethical when they were building the system? That they knew members when once joined and paid, were going to be dissatisfied as results from honest ethical IM were going to be at best, minimal, unless you opted to follow the deceptive marketing practice and pyramid system? Yes that is where the money is, in the pyramid structure.

A friend of mine had joined and tried to get me to join because he was blinded by the excitement he got from his boost in page rank and quick commissions he received due to his followers who trust him bought into his positive talk about the Empower Network and joined under him. So he profited, reportedly not by much, a few hundred very quickly and then it stopped as his interested subscribers all joined and those subscribers under him made no sales. Yes he also opted to sell Empower Network which we had many arguments over on how he was leading his followers who were not at his level of success to unfortunate failure. Our friendship has been damaged as of present. He is an experienced very successful affiliate marketer and used the Empower Network for the Alexa power it has to promote his websites which does work to boost your page rank if you have external website business that is already successful. He had forgotten how beginners or those who strictly rely on affiliate links without websites would fail upon embarking on this type of system, I forgive him.

My findings:
At first I recognized this as a pyramid structure system as it is so clearly seen if you listen to the intro videos every member promotes. David Wood, front man for the system is a very good motivator and hence why he is the main rep for the company. The upsell push on this system is just plain embarrassing. The buy in to get the upsells is so paramount to their promotion because it is their bread and butter.They know if they fail to sell the Empower Network system and upsell then their income stops. The road to riches WAS at the ground floor with the Davids and their friends who got in at the ground floor and are the highly promoted success stories. Yes they made bundles and the original group continues to make money as new members continue to fund their accounts with hopes they could make it big too, but so sorry, it is not going to happen. Road closed, ground floor full. No more can the riches be experience by newcomers as this is how pyramid schemes all work and for the most part, companies in general. You start a company, get your family and friends to join, make profits accordingly and then hire employees who work for you. That is where Empower Network stands as of late last year. Everyone but the elite ground floor group, is just an Employee working for the Davids and their CEO's and continuing to make them rich, not you.

Oh I know I am going to get bashed on this post by Empower Network members because they MUST, according to their terms of agreement protect the Empower Network name. Well come on, welcome, do your best, we all know your talk holds no water.

I did my homework:
First, if I lived in a apartment and was having a house built but my lease was up 1 day before I could move into my new home, I guess I could camp out in my van over night, no problem. Guess what? I can now legally say I lived in my van because legally, I did. I just did not tell you how long I lived there or need to prove it to you, but if you tried to sue me for misrepresentation I would win because I told the truth, I did live in my van. Did David Wood do this?

About the Scooby Doo looking van by the beach which he said he lived in and so happened to have a photo of, how many of you happen to take a picture of your junk vehicle with nobody in the picture. Is this really his van? This picture can be seen on all the promo videos the Empower Network members are promoting. If this is the van why did it change to a different newer van on the empowernetwork dot com website? Wait David ,did you forget which van you lived out of and just happen to have another picture of a van with nobody in the picture?

I had been invited and sat through their so called "LIVE" webinars which were actually prerecorded. I have proof which I have screen captured on my hard drive of multiple dates and times of the so called "live" webinars that are all the same single video. Is that so bad? It is deceiving but what is worse is during the so called "LIVE" webinar, they are giving you the opportunity if you "Join Now so you can get a special bonus with only 30 spots available", and during the webinar they give updates as to how many spots are left. "Hurry up and get in now, don't be a wussy". Sure thing David here is my $5 grand. Whoops did you screw up on this one David? The webinars are all about upsell and all the ground floor group bragging about how successful they are. No learning at all involved.

Another thing that nobody talks about is at the lowest member joining fee of $25, it is not just a $25 a month fee, yes it is a monthly recurring fee, but if you opt to try to sell Empower Network there is an additional $19.95 a month payment processing fee to sell there product so in essence you are paying a monthly $44.95 to have the privilege of being a member with selling rights.

OK so what about the insiders member area? Well yes, I did get to see it through my friends membership which he joined at the $125 a month level plus the $19.95 a month for allowing payment processing and had privileges to the insiders area which is where the video training is at, You do not get this at the $25 level. What is it? More upsell and how you are a "wussy" if you don't get the upsell and yes they do tell you that! As far as the so called instructional education? It is there, same old rehash of what has been taught by every IM guru but with the Empower Network "Bad Ass" attitude. They had to provide the education videos as not to be penalized and shut down for being a pyramid scheme.

Oh wait there's more! Did everyone who joined miss this in the "Terms Of Use"?

"USER CONTENT.
You grant Company a license to use the materials you post to the Site or Service. By posting, downloading, displaying, performing, transmitting, or otherwise distributing information or other content ("User Content") to the Site or Service, you are granting Company, its affiliates, officers, directors, employees, consultants, agents, and representatives a transferable and sub-licensable license to use User Content, including without limitation, a right to copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate, and reformat User Content. You will not be compensated for any User Content. You agree that Company may publish or otherwise disclose your name in connection with your User Content. By posting User Content on the Site or Service, you warrant and represent that you own the rights to the User Content or are otherwise authorized to post, distribute, display, perform, transmit, or otherwise distribute User Content."

In other worlds guess what Empower Network members, everything you put on their network including your website now becomes property of the Empower Network and any other member! Doesn't anybody read these things anymore? Go ahead members, steal each others property, its all up for grabs including everything on their website if it is linked! Does intelligence of a fern come to mind.

So in closing, What is the Empower Network?
A pyramid system with no more option to become financially rich quick.
A blogging system which nobody reads except Empower Network members. (When is the last time you read a Empower Network blogs to shop or more so, bought anything from a Empower Network blog?)
A internet marketing training program which you can get for free by other internet marketing sites or by other gurus. Nothing mind blowing or secrets reveled there.
A network with authority. Yes this is the only value. If you have a existing site you can use the network to boost your page rank but at what expense? Whenever I see Empower Network tied to a URL I am immediately turned off as I feel this site may be deceptive and I go elsewhere. Best option, if you have a site, use Empower Network only for the authority power but mask your URL. (Provided you don't care about it being altered, copied, or even hijacked. You have given up all rights even registered trade marks and copyrights! Subsequent infringement will be your responsibility for posting on the network!)

My take on Empower Network and David Wood and David Sharpe is they are very clever marketers and so good at what they do they have managed to deceive some of the most skeptic minds.They are good no doubt about that, and had designed a system that has made them rich along with the crew at the ground floor, but they are not looking out to do anything other than pad their wallets. Not saying this is wrong, unethical yes, but just be aware, to continue their success, the tactics are going to become ever more deceptive as they see their earnings decrease. And what about that "Terms Of Use" "User Content" clause? In a pinch, think they would give a rats ass about taking over some of your sites?
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If you are an affiliate marketer and have a sizable mailing list, sure you can email your list a promo for the Empower Network, send them a testimonial and even a vid on how great it is and you may make your money back and even a sizable profit but how do you stand now with all the people on your list who just bought into a system which makes them nothing? Sure as cows give milk, your future emailings are destined for that digital dumpster along with your reputation.
You can be a excellent baker and open a bakery, you can be a excellent gangster and run a crime syndicate or you can be an excellent marketer and have a deceptive marketing system,all designed to make money. It's an occupational choice.

CAUTION: Be weary of "webinars" as there is a deceptive clever tactic that is being used where you are invited to a so called "live" webinar which is prerecorded. It is run through services like goto meeting and there is a live moderator to answer easy questions so technically it is live but it is a staged prerecorded webinar. You can tell if you ask a complex question and it is not answered or the presenter will never address your question or reply to you directly. David Wood does this along with others which I do not need to mention here. Sure a simple question like "is this live" will be answered by the moderator, and the moderator will occasionally inject comments which are made to look like they come from participants like "This system is great" and then the moderator will also reply "Yes it is" so everyone sees that and thinks it is live.

Please chime in everyone, Is this what affiliate marketing is all about? Being deceptive at selling schemes you know have no value but you need to recoup your investment, and hopefully profit? If so, I can put affiliate marketing in the same class as oil companies, physicians, lawyers, and politicians.
I am a affiliate marketer but never sell or recommend anything I have not tried, tested and feel is of value. I know there are many honest affiliate marketers out there but then there are those who push products they no nothing about except that they can hopefully profit off it and they tell everyone it is the best thing since individually wrapped cheese. If the true opinion of everyone of affiliates is that they are only concerned with how much cash they can make regardless of ethics, then I will gladly bow out. I have a internet business which is honest. Affiliate marketing is just a hobby of mine. Please everyone, let me know what your feelings are on what you think of where affiliate marketers stand.

Empower Network and the Davids are at the top of the mountain now of deceptive affiliate marketers but they will not be there for long. They made their millions, they are safe, but the network will fall.

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leighs31

12 years ago

If your going to join it. Join under someone that is already extremely successful and has a team below them. These are the guys making the money in the network as they share their tools etc. Anything works if you put your mind to it. Just stick to one thing and get a mentor for it

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smoor2012

12 years ago

I like this advice..I may or may not join empower network myself in the future..I don't know enough about it yet to knock it by any means and I am watching reviews and keeping an eye on it for a period of time right now.

The statement that you can make something work by sticking to it I definitely agree with and with the fact that you need to research and find one mentor you can align with that is successful and then follow their lead. That is solid advice.

Empower looks really good..I research stuff awhile first before I join.

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seven7bh

12 years ago

If you are deciding to join Empower Network, think about this for a minute.

Resource: Empower Network Income Disclaimer page Everyone
Empower Network: Income Disclosure

So basically this says that out over everyone who signs up, 91% do not make a profit. This includes people who signup and leave immediately or never try, but that should say something about this system. It's so successful that only 9% actually make more money than they spend Overall.

So just ask yourself this question, are you part of the 9%. Because if you have any doubt whether you can make it or not, 91% failure rate is something to think about.

And if I was running a company, I would be ashamed that 91% of people could not use the Training (Top Notch as they say) or system to make money (full proof as some claim).

Also to all the people claiming they are making money with this system, some of them are lying, the numbers speak for themselves.

Good luck out there!

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briancouch85

12 years ago

Originally Posted by seven7bh

So basically this says that out over everyone who signs up, 91% do not make a profit. This includes people who signup and leave immediately or never try, but that should say something about this system. It's so successful that only 9% actually make more money than they spend Overall.

From looking at the bottom line of your link, I see 91% make less than $100/month including people who never try anything. The low is $0, the high is $75, and the average is $27

It's $25/month to have the blog and you pass up your second sale. What I see is that on average, 91% has at least 3 active team members. That's including people who literally have never logged in.

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enterpryzman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by briancouch85

From looking at the bottom line of your link, I see 91% make less than $100/month including people who never try anything. The low is $0, the high is $75, and the average is $27

It's $25/month to have the blog and you pass up your second sale. What I see is that on average, 91% has at least 3 active team members. That's including people who literally have never logged in.

I joined to test it out and to help the guy who sent it to me--have been in for about 6 months and never mad a single sale and have zero downline....I suspected my to have something, oh well.
I am sure you get what you put into it.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by enterpryzman

I joined to test it out and to help the guy who sent it to me--have been in for about 6 months and never mad a single sale and have zero downline....I suspected my to have something, oh well.
I am sure you get what you put into it.

Enterpryzman

You definitely get what you put into it. I know I'm not alone in saying the reason you never made a single sale is because you were just testing it out. It's fine to test things out if you know what you're doing and can sell anything, but if you can't sell, then don't test things out. Choose something people are making money with and stick with it long enough to figure a few things out.

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gavinthorne

12 years ago

IMHO - I joined 6 weeks ago and have earned $12,150k (yes proof available for all those skeptics)

And yes like anything you have to work at it but it has worked for me, so as others have said join someone who can show you the way.

The training contained is really fantastic, I am really mean that - I have tried MLSP and SFM and others (no I not knocking them) but my success has come from EN - it really is a simple, scalable system that can be easily duplicated

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Datingport

12 years ago

Originally Posted by gavinthorne

IMHO - I joined 6 weeks ago and have earned $12,150k (yes proof available for all those skeptics)

And yes like anything you have to work at it but it has worked for me, so as others have said join someone who can show you the way.

The training contained is really fantastic, I am really mean that - I have tried MLSP and SFM and others (no I not knocking them) but my success has come from EN - it really is a simple, scalable system that can be easily duplicated

Good luck

I'm interested Gavin,
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by gavinthorne

IMHO - I joined 6 weeks ago and have earned $12,150k (yes proof available for all those skeptics)

And yes like anything you have to work at it but it has worked for me, so as others have said join someone who can show you the way.

The training contained is really fantastic, I am really mean that - I have tried MLSP and SFM and others (no I not knocking them) but my success has come from EN - it really is a simple, scalable system that can be easily duplicated

Good luck

Hey Gavin Im interested, e-mail me @ jbhappy15@gmail . com

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jrgattison 12 years ago

Hi all! I just want to add my 3 or 4 cents.

As with any business opportunity Empower Network included you are going to have to follow the system before you can honestly judge whether it is a good opportunity or not.

For those who haven't actually at least bought the blogging system and have something negative to say I think you are at least a little out of integrity.

If you have gotten in and didn't follow the system and have something negative to say then you are a probably out of integrity to say the least.

To all of you that are considering Empower I will challenge you to ask yourself some questions before you pay the $25 in order to save yourself from being frustrated and falling out of integrity with yourself:
1. Are you committed to following the a system for at least 30 days?
2. Are you willing to not chase the next new product launch that comes into your email box for at least 30 days?
3. Are you willing to express yourself and whether it be through blogging or videos on a consistent basis?
4. Are you willing to cut off the negative influences in your life for at least 30 days (that includes going through this post and reading what others think about EN who have never even went through the process)

Understand that EN is a system that teaches you how to market. It does recommend that you invest in more products as it will allow you to learn other aspects of marketing as well as allow you to earn higher commissions. Any one that markets online successfully is going to do the same thing. You can never have one product in your arsenal and expect to make a full time income for the long term.

Here's another point. ANY company that doesn't innovate and come out with something new and innovative WILL go out of business eventually that includes the Empower Network.

There will always be negative broke people that are going to always talk about how something doesn't work and how bad things are. Don't be one of those people. Take consistent action on something whatever system it may be. Having a system to follow is easier that creating one of your own and that is really what EN brings to the table unlike almost any other program.

I'll cut this post here but if anyone has any questions about EN I will answer what I can or point you in the right direction to get your questions answered.

One more thing is that although they are going to direct you to "Get All In" that is not a requirement but if you think about it this is sound advice IF you believe and utilize the system. Would you like to earn $25 commission or $100 commission? That should be a no brainer.

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earnagreatlife 11 years ago

can you be my friend i just joined empower network too 3 days ago...and my sponsor wont reply back to me....

im gettin everything set up that i can... i only have the bloggin system so far....
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12 years ago

I am in empower network and I can tell you that it works. Simple as that.

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12 years ago

I have been in Empower Network for 3 months, I own all the programs and I am making from home, what I used to make at my full time job, and the best part is your income increases every month! If you are willing to buy the programs and do what they say, it will work for you, plus I help my downline out for the ones that are serious and I get them leads when they first start out so that they are making money right way! Dont judge something until you've tried it! If anyone is interested inbox me and i'll get you started right! or doucarsha at msn dot com

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Raz Schultz

12 years ago

Thanks to all of you who have replied to questions about the Empower Network.
They heavily advertise only $25. a month. Of course, you can sign up for that.
My questions is, what if you don't have $100 a month or $500 to get into the other programs right away?
Is there a possiblity of making money at the $25 a month level first, and making enough to go up to the other levels?
Otherwise, it is very deceptive to take even $25 from someone by saying they can make money with the program, only to have them find out that now they need $500, or $100 a month.
Not everyone has that much money to get started.
Also, how technical do these programs get? Do you have to know html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.
Any information on this?

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Raz Schultz

12 years ago

Thank you, that gives me some idea about whether it really is for people who don't have much money.

For some, even $25 is a strain and they're not being a "wuss." We've all heard about people living in cars or tents and not having enough money to even rent a room somewhere. I'd like to think there is hope for someone like that to actually get started on a shoestring and make a life for themselves.

Most people who know how to make good money on the Internet are not going to tell anyone else for $25. Just curious about whether this Empower Network actually works or is just another hyped-up disappointment.

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doucarsha

12 years ago

It is possible to make money with the $25 blog, but you will only qualify for $25 commission, if you have a desire to make a lot more than that, then you may upgrade but its not mandatory. Its only $25, there is no excuse someone that really wants to do it couldn't come up with $25 or more than that, the right people will always find a way to get the money, period. Borrow the money from a friend, sell your food stamps, do odd jobs..help someone on Craigslist move their furniture for $50...sell stuff, get a job....there are plenty of ways to get money, its just a matter if they want to. Im not rich, but when I got in I still bought all the products ($6,125), the training is worth more than that alone, and you cant look at it like your losing that money, your investing in YOUR business, in which you keep 100% of the money, so if only ONE person gets all the products...you get all you money back, then everyone else is profit for life. You invest once and it pays you forever. I dont know anything else out there that compares to that.

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12 years ago

Yes, you can make money with the $25 program and if you are not sure if upgrade is for you, you can wait till you make your first $25 and upgrade later on. The key is to blog daily so you can get lots of traffic. Its a very simple program and you just need to be dedicated and follow the system. Why reinvent the wheel? Blog daily and you can start seeing some progress.

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12 years ago

Empower Network sells a dream -- they really sell nothing - but you make money because their videos really really converts. So if you join and know half of what you know as Internet Marketer you probably will make money. So if anything study their video really well - it says all the right stuffs and so people will buy. Also having a blog and post something about your life creates a kind of trust and bang -- people will sign up under you. Good business model actually.

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Yeah -- if anything it entices me and my buddies to start such a network ...hire an actor to create a video like that founder guy and sell like that .. I am telling you it's selling a dream via the video. and instead of monthly fee for $50.00 -- I throw in few bones - and give back to charities of my choice. such as helping animals sanctuary ... yeah ..
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by successproducts

Empower Network sells a dream -- they really sell nothing - but you make money because their videos really really converts. So if you join and know half of what you know as Internet Marketer you probably will make money. So if anything study their video really well - it says all the right stuffs and so people will buy. Also having a blog and post something about your life creates a kind of trust and bang -- people will sign up under you. Good business model actually.

Exactly. The ones making the REAL money here are "David Wood" and "David Sharpe" they are, smartly, cashing in as quick as they can... because it will get taken down and/or sold and/or restructured. That's the world of MLM.

Want to make REAL money? Model their full system and build something yourself. Even create an MLM if you feel so inclined.

But as said, they are really just selling a dream. The people at the top profit, and somewhere, someone has to "loose" and that is likely the people on the bottom of the pyramid.

Also a side note: As a pretty big/established warrior with a couple mailing lists... I could have decided months ago to mail my lists Empower (actually thought about it when Jason Moffit was pushing it so hard). And I knew I'd make a BOAT LOAD of cash because many of my list subscribers would have joined. However I chose not to. Sometimes its not about the money. I can teach people on my list to be successful and provide REAL value without having to con them into Empower. Empower Network is just one of many... and it won't be around forever. No disrespect to those marketers that do sell Empower to their list, but I just had too big of an ethical issue in doing so.

How is this different than, say, Pure Leverage?

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Brian Tayler

Exactly. The ones making the REAL money here are "David Wood" and "David Sharpe" they are, smartly, cashing in as quick as they can... because it will get taken down and/or sold and/or restructured. That's the world of MLM.

Want to make REAL money? Model their full system and build something yourself. Even create an MLM if you feel so inclined.

But as said, they are really just selling a dream. The people at the top profit, and somewhere, someone has to "loose" and that is likely the people on the bottom of the pyramid.

Also a side note: As a pretty big/established warrior with a couple mailing lists... I could have decided months ago to mail my lists Empower (actually thought about it when Jason Moffit was pushing it so hard). And I knew I'd make a BOAT LOAD of cash because many of my list subscribers would have joined. However I chose not to. Sometimes its not about the money. I can teach people on my list to be successful and provide REAL value without having to con them into Empower. Empower Network is just one of many... and it won't be around forever. No disrespect to those marketers that do sell Empower to their list, but I just had too big of an ethical issue in doing so.

How is this different than, say, Pure Leverage?

Hey Brian,

I totally agree...

After 14 years in this business seeing dozens of these structurely insecure programs come and go I have never once promoted anything like this to my subcribers for the same exact reasons you mentioned.

With 250k subscribers I certainly could have made a mint but like you I plan to be in this business for many years to come and wouldnt ruin my reputation for the sake of a few more dollars.

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gavinthorne 12 years ago

Hi there
This is not personal but a general view on the vein of comments that are coming in on this.

Let's be clear here - for $25p/month you get fully set up blog that has an Alexa ranking of 489, which means it's an authority site. And your posts will get ranked better than starting off your own Wordpress blog.
There is a great option to also become an affiliate of the system and sell their products.

I get very tired of people knocking Products or Systems (any in fact) they have no actual idea of how they work because they have never tried all this without offering any value to the Warrior Community so people can make their own minds up.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by doucarsha

It is possible to make money with the $25 blog, but you will only qualify for $25 commission, if you have a desire to make a lot more than that, then you may upgrade but its not mandatory. Its only $25, there is no excuse someone that really wants to do it couldn't come up with $25 or more than that, the right people will always find a way to get the money, period. Borrow the money from a friend, sell your food stamps, do odd jobs..help someone on Craigslist move their furniture for $50...sell stuff, get a job....there are plenty of ways to get money, its just a matter if they want to. Im not rich, but when I got in I still bought all the products ($6,125), the training is worth more than that alone, and you cant look at it like your losing that money, your investing in YOUR business, in which you keep 100% of the money, so if only ONE person gets all the products...you get all you money back, then everyone else is profit for life. You invest once and it pays you forever. I dont know anything else out there that compares to that.

Hi there
This is not personal but a general view on the vein of comments that are coming in on this.

Let's be clear here - for $25p/month you get fully set up blog that has an Alexa ranking of 489, which means it's an authority site. And your posts will get ranked better than starting off your own Wordpress blog.
There is a great option to also become an affiliate of the system and sell their products.

I get very tired of people knocking Products or Systems (any in fact) they have no actual idea of how they work because they have never tried all this without offering any value to the Warrior Community so people can make their own minds up.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Raz Schultz

Thank you, that gives me some idea about whether it really is for people who don't have much money.

For some, even $25 is a strain and they're not being a "wuss." We've all heard about people living in cars or tents and not having enough money to even rent a room somewhere. I'd like to think there is hope for someone like that to actually get started on a shoestring and make a life for themselves.

Most people who know how to make good money on the Internet are not going to tell anyone else for $25. Just curious about whether this Empower Network actually works or is just another hyped-up disappointment.

Definitely. And they heavily bill it as 25 but you have to pay another 25 to be an affiliate for them. But that isn't mentioned until after you sign up.. Also if you decide it's not for you all they do is say how much of a quitter or loser you are... Personally I don't think the empower program will do much for you if you already know how to set up your blog, sites, autoresponder.

Just my opinion but I'd save your money and invest in your own personal business.

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FranckBlevinal 12 years ago

I think that empower network has been created for people who do not have a lot of money to started. Never forget that the two founders were homeless. One of him lived in a Van. There are many members today who started with little cash. Some have failed in their lives, and were also homeless. As John Wells for example: HOW John Wells Made $30,000 With Empower Network YouTube - YouTube

You can start with $25 (+ $19.95 affiliate fees), and pay $100 per month when you have enough earnings. Start earning money with your $25 per month first, and later increase your investment. Start smartly. No need to be in hurry

Don't forget also, to save 20% of your earnings for your marketing.

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makkeakino 12 years ago

I've been with Empower Network for a couple of months now, and i'm only on the $25 blogging system.

Dave Wood said, "blog daily..." so i did... did i see any money for the past couple of weeks?.. NO... but surely though, most of my blogs are in the first page of Google Search engine...and i get flooded with email from both Dave(s) and did i say i get email daily?... yes.. daily... sure enough, there are only two things I've seen with Empower Network.

1. they Blogging system ranks high
2. they flood your Inbox with email from the founders and other people who are affiliated with the system.

with respect to all the people in this forum that already "made a lot of money" with EN, good on you and i wish you more success, but i can tell from this forum and other forums out there, "not everyone" can afford to "buy" all the products within the EN system, and more so, they can not afford to pay $50 (Blogging System) +$100 (Inner Circle), monthly. Most Newbie get exited and jump right on it, but the issue is... once they're in, they are somewhat "trapped" because when they watched the training videos of EN there's a part there where Dave Wood said "...if you're not in the Inner Circle i would not even talk to you... so get "All-in"..... ", some people take these words personally and they opt-out of EN, due to the same fact that they could not afford the monthly fee.

(Just voicing out what other people are saying about the system....)
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Raz Schultz

Thank you, that gives me some idea about whether it really is for people who don't have much money.

For some, even $25 is a strain and they're not being a "wuss." We've all heard about people living in cars or tents and not having enough money to even rent a room somewhere. I'd like to think there is hope for someone like that to actually get started on a shoestring and make a life for themselves.

Most people who know how to make good money on the Internet are not going to tell anyone else for $25. Just curious about whether this Empower Network actually works or is just another hyped-up disappointment.

If you can't afford $100 a month, you shouldn't be in business full stop. Maybe get a job and build up a nest egg & come back when you are ready. I don't know of any successful business offline that has expenses of less than $1000 monthly. So just because we are online doesn't mean we should lose our common sense

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Raz Schultz

Is there a possiblity of making money at the $25 a month level first, and making enough to go up to the other levels?

Also, how technical do these programs get? Do you have to know html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.
Any information on this?

Raz, you can start making money at the $25 level. But at that level, you only get commissions from others at that level. You have to purchase each product in order to be able to resell it. But you can do that in stages.

Also, The wordpress site has two parts. One is a very simplified version that is literally plug and play. The other side operates just like a normal wordpress site with a few minor modifications. You can switch between the two anytime you please. You don't need to know any html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.

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12 years ago

It's always amazing to me how many people will get lathered up and jump into something as long as there are huge dollar figures mentioned in the pitch, and then try to find a way to justify it afterward.

Sure, the people marketing this were very crafty in setting it up to make this sort of appeal, and to 'convert' such a high number. But come on...maybe you shouldn't be concerned ONLY with 'conversion rates' - after all, Jim Jones had a nearly 100% conversion rate, with his final 'offer.'

There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

This sort of thing is just like a prairie fire...it's big, bright, and burning with intensity, but also leaves behind a smoking trail of devastation. The object is to be one of those who moves along with the fire, and who keeps frantically stoking it with all the human fodder they can find.

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Rags2Richs 12 years ago

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print

It's always amazing to me how many people will get lathered up and jump into something as long as there are huge dollar figures mentioned in the pitch, and then try to find a way to justify it afterward.

Sure, the people marketing this were very crafty in setting it up to make this sort of appeal, and to 'convert' such a high number. But come on...maybe you shouldn't be concerned ONLY with 'conversion rates' - after all, Jim Jones had a nearly 100% conversion rate, with his final 'offer.'

There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

This sort of thing is just like a prairie fire...it's big, bright, and burning with intensity, but also leaves behind a smoking trail of devastation. The object is to be one of those who moves along with the fire, and who keeps frantically stoking it with all the human fodder they can find.

I've not joined EN (yet - maybe never), but I think this is an incorrect analysis. Their product is training and a pre-pimped out site. Training in what? Essentially, monetized blogging. If there's a negative, it's this.. they're setting people up to sell the same product(s), hence a slew of YouTube vids with different twists to sell the same things. They say to use your individual expertise (whatever that may be) to post comments in various forums with links back to your site in order to get people to, well.. do the same thing.

The big selling point is the 100% commission that passes to you on certain sales (e.g., sale #s 1, 3, 5, and so forth), and that commission be ongoing, as long as (your) people keep paying their $25/mo.

You also get 100% of certain one time payments (I think like $250, $500, and maybe even $1,000 or more) for various big ticket upsells.

Is the product/training value there at those price levels? I believe not.. only getting the ability to receive that level of commission from future buyers.. again, 100% for a certain number of buyers in your downline that get the product.

As for this thing fizzling out or burning itself down, I don't think that will be the case for quite some time (maybe even never) because there's sort of a catch-up feature built in. Someone who joins under someone else can quickly surpass the recruiter's income, even if they've purchased all the products and qualify for all pay levels. Why? I think that this deal truly rewards width AND helping others in width and depth.

Bottom line: I think the program will be around for years, people will be able to make exactly what they put into it, no one's getting stuck with a bunch of worthless products, and the payouts are unlike anything in the MLM world. Apparently (unless there's some serious lying going on by hundreds of people), someone can make 10, 20, 30K+ in their first frick'n month.

Why haven't I joined yet? I'm seeing if I can do the same thing with my own products, so I can keep all the dough!

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  paddyboy 12 years ago
  
  I visited this thread to see how long Empower Network has been around and I see that it started about November of 2012. It was good to get the details about monthly fees and the upsells. The initial sign up page that I was directed to only mentions $25 and I did not see any mention that it was a recurring fee, so good to know.
  This is the first MLM I have seen in a while that really grabbed at my mind; I haven't felt that from an MLM pitch for a looonnngg time!
  I am guessing that if I feel that twinge of greed at my jaded and contented age then there must be people signing up for this super slick campaign in droves left and right!
  I will not be signing up and I do not intend to bash it, but I will throw my prediction simply as one more viewpoint.
  It will and must collapse as I have seen others do in the past. (mis-management, government intervention, finger pointing, insert any random reason here) and then the payments stop. There I said it; no hate, no judging, I'm just giving an honest guess after taking a brief look based on my own life experience. Am I jumping to a conclusion...yes..guilty as charged. Am I giving an opinion without looking at all the facts - yes again, guilty as charged. Will people make money from it? - of course some will; but I'm guessing most won't. I will drop in to this thread once and a while and see how it goes. I hope all opportunity seekers make good progress in 2013 whatever business they are in. Good luck to all.
  
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print

It's always amazing to me how many people will get lathered up and jump into something as long as there are huge dollar figures mentioned in the pitch, and then try to find a way to justify it afterward.

Sure, the people marketing this were very crafty in setting it up to make this sort of appeal, and to 'convert' such a high number. But come on...maybe you shouldn't be concerned ONLY with 'conversion rates' - after all, Jim Jones had a nearly 100% conversion rate, with his final 'offer.'

There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

This sort of thing is just like a prairie fire...it's big, bright, and burning with intensity, but also leaves behind a smoking trail of devastation. The object is to be one of those who moves along with the fire, and who keeps frantically stoking it with all the human fodder they can find.

You've just summed up 90% of ALL MMO marketing

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Mike Linley

12 years ago

Originally Posted by freemen14

There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

Well you probably shouldn't talk about things you are clueless about because I just bought the 15K formula for 1K and it has more training via videos and PDF's than any WSO I have ever bought for 7 bucks or even $1997 bucks! This has real tangible products and it's so sad for so many of you non believers and I am done wasting time on this discussion but I am working on my business and making even more money and enjoying life and staying out of these negative sad discussions. I have better things to do with my time!

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haslow 12 years ago

Media which is not hard copy is NOT tangible! Duh. The hEmpower Network has nothing tangible!
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  When You're taking college course online.. You're getting an Education.. IS that tangible? But yet we pay for it.....
  
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NBAY

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print

It's always amazing to me how many people will get lathered up and jump into something as long as there are huge dollar figures mentioned in the pitch, and then try to find a way to justify it afterward.

Sure, the people marketing this were very crafty in setting it up to make this sort of appeal, and to 'convert' such a high number. But come on...maybe you shouldn't be concerned ONLY with 'conversion rates' - after all, Jim Jones had a nearly 100% conversion rate, with his final 'offer.'

There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

This sort of thing is just like a prairie fire...it's big, bright, and burning with intensity, but also leaves behind a smoking trail of devastation. The object is to be one of those who moves along with the fire, and who keeps frantically stoking it with all the human fodder they can find.

So eloquently put and so true. These systems are designed to bring in a army of individuals who are constantly recruiting new members into a cycle by which most of the members will contribute money and more new members and then burnout. The cycle continues over and over again and allows those at the top to make a fortune while all of the others are chasing the rabbit or as you put it add fuel to the fire. (smile) The system is great if you are one of the founders but for everyone else it's a suckers game.

In this case most people feel as if they are getting their monies worth because of the training and ebooks that they were given access to but the fact is all of that is and has always been available for free on the internet.

If you are joining just for social interacting and the natural instinct to want to belong to a group of like minded individuals then I guess you are getting your money worth but if you are joining to get rich... It's not going to happen. As for the products that you get to sell for 100 percent profit? That's what PLR products are for. Get your own website and put your own PLR products on it and you have a much better chance of getting rich or at least making money.

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Zackary Richards

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Raz Schultz

Thanks to all of you who have replied to questions about the Empower Network.
They heavily advertise only $25. a month. Of course, you can sign up for that.
My questions is, what if you don't have $100 a month or $500 to get into the other programs right away?
Is there a possiblity of making money at the $25 a month level first, and making enough to go up to the other levels?
Otherwise, it is very deceptive to take even $25 from someone by saying they can make money with the program, only to have them find out that now they need $500, or $100 a month.
Not everyone has that much money to get started.
Also, how technical do these programs get? Do you have to know html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.
Any information on this?

Hi Raz. I've been an Empower Network member for 60 days and although I haven't earned a commission yet, the tutorials have given me a college education on marketing. None of it is difficult to learn, nothing complex and they reveal what their members make on their pages. If you want to learn more they have a number of tutorials on YouTube you can watch to get a better idea of whats involved, For example check out Vick Strizheus $710,000 video at the top, This guy really know his stuff.

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pickupcash

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Raz Schultz

Thanks to all of you who have replied to questions about the Empower Network.
They heavily advertise only $25. a month. Of course, you can sign up for that.
My questions is, what if you don't have $100 a month or $500 to get into the other programs right away?
Is there a possiblity of making money at the $25 a month level first, and making enough to go up to the other levels?
Otherwise, it is very deceptive to take even $25 from someone by saying they can make money with the program, only to have them find out that now they need $500, or $100 a month.
Not everyone has that much money to get started.
Also, how technical do these programs get? Do you have to know html, ftp, or cpanel, etc.
Any information on this?

As with any business, offline or online, your success hinges on your own actions or inactions.

Is it possible to make money at the $25 level? Of course it is. I have made almost $25,000 in Empower just from that $25 product.

This is for anyone wondering why the $19.95 affiliate fee is not typically advertised up front. The affiliate system fee is only for affiliates. People who wish to earn commissions by referring others who purchase any of the products at Empower Network. We have thousands of Customers who just want the blogging system or the other I.M. training products so they can learn and promote another business they own. The affiliate fee covers your ewallet and merchant account so you can accept all major credit cards and have your commissions deposited directly into your bank account. All merchant accounts have fees. Most of them are around $20 a month.

As for the other products, it's entirely up to you. The higher the level you are the more advanced the training and the higher commissions you can earn per referral or sale. Look at it like any other educational platform. The more education you have the more you are capable of earning.

Hope this helps answer some questions...

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tlangdon 12 years ago

Hi, Really it is actually working for you. Can you explain what you do exactly to generate this profit? Do you literally blog a lot about anything and lead people to your website that way?
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stevet563

12 years ago

Dave Wood and Dave Sharpe started the company because they wanted the little guy to also be successful. Dave Wood was already successful and saw in the industry that there was a group of people who did things in a certain way that made them get their results.

The company is the fastest growing in the industry, paying out over $40,000,000 in one year. This is to people who have never made a dime on the internet before. The stories are there if you look. Where else can you get 100% commissions on top selling high ticket products that people need and want?

No where. That's it Period.

Hey Marc7,

Come join me and let's build this thing.

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gurokevin

12 years ago

When you set up your blog under Empower Network, does it have to be a certain type of blog (ie: online marketing, etc.) Or can it be a blog on anything?

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gurokevin

12 years ago

an what do you do if you already have a blog?

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Datingport 12 years ago

Originally Posted by gurokevin

When you set up your blog under Empower Network, does it have to be a certain type of blog (ie: online marketing, etc.) Or can it be a blog on anything?

Originally Posted by gurokevin

an what do you do if you already have a blog?

It can be about anything you like. I see blogs on there ranging from cars to perfume so you can write about any subject.

Also I have quite a few blogs of my own that are subject specific. On my sports blogs I just link to my empower blog in the blogroll, On my online marketing Blog, I posted a few articles on the empower network and also linked to some of the posts I have there. I still write regular articles that have nothing to do with empower but I think them all together for SEO purposes.
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Datingport

12 years ago

Originally Posted by successproducts

Empower Network sells a dream -- they really sell nothing - but you make money because their videos really really converts. So if you join and know half of what you know as Internet Marketer you probably will make money. So if anything study their video really well - it says all the right stuffs and so people will buy. Also having a blog and post something about your life creates a kind of trust and bang -- people will sign up under you. Good business model actually.

I never really got into any MLM or any other type of marketing that involves selling "training" or otherwise. I usually keep an eye out for that stuff. But I have to hand it to Empower network. They have the best sales tools - Hands Down. So much so that I actually signed up. If I can't make money off this I shouldn't be doing what I do.

Sorry Gavin but I got in under someone else.

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Nvsjewelry

12 years ago

I'm a member for little over a week. Ive researched Internet marketing and am just trying to understand everything without being so overwhelmed. I joined to be part o something and if its selling a dream then so be it because I'm learning what I have been trying to learn now for years. I'm excited that other in my group wantvto help me succeed in the process.

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tomtommarketing

12 years ago

To be honest I'm quite sick of hearing about Empower Network. I find Empower Network blogs at the top of Google targeting program reviews all the time and the content (despite what Google thinks) is garbage. They train their members to rank articles hosted on the Empower Wordpress blog platform in hopes of siphoning off clicks to the Empower Network banners on the side of the blog. Don't waste your $25 as Empower Network should be dead soon.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by tomtommarketing

To be honest I'm quite sick of hearing about Empower Network. I find Empower Network blogs at the top of Google targeting program reviews all the time and the content (despite what Google thinks) is garbage. They train their members to rank articles hosted on the Empower Wordpress blog platform in hopes of siphoning off clicks to the Empower Network banners on the side of the blog. Don't waste your $25 as Empower Network should be dead soon.

My question to you:
Have you made any money from anything else? If so, then please tell us all about it. I'm sure everyone will follow you if you have something better than EN.

And just so you know, I am part of EN as well - it took me more than a year to make the decision to join, and I'm glad I did because I have joined the most powerful group of them all. If I don't make at least $5,000 a month in less than 3 months from now, I will be in shock.

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getsometraffic

12 years ago

I have wasted 300 dollars signing up and was promised all this and that and never made any money back.. i spent another couple hundred trying to get traffic to there squeeze page and still ended up empty handed.. So its a give or take .. I believe this system is getting dried up..

Originally Posted by tomtommarketing

To be honest I'm quite sick of hearing about Empower Network. I find Empower Network blogs at the top of Google targeting program reviews all the time and the content (despite what Google thinks) is garbage. They train their members to rank articles hosted on the Empower Wordpress blog platform in hopes of siphoning off clicks to the Empower Network banners on the side of the blog. Don't waste your $25 as Empower Network should be dead soon.

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cyberma

12 years ago

First thing EN teaches is to blog every single day. I am not sure if anybody can create a high quality content every day. If a person starts producing a lot garbage, all audience is gone soon. Who wants to read pointless blog posts?

I attended a so called webinar of EN. For an hour, they just interviewed people present there how much money they earn. And what I learnt from the webinar was, that to make $1,000,000 a year, you just need to do $3,000 a day. Wow, who in a world would say that?

In my opinion all the initial EN videos are just crap without any useful information. Just a loot of talking and attempt to create a cult.

I think EN could have been profitable for many people at the beginning, but now, because it is a pyramid, it is more and more difficult to chase new people to buy the EN products. Mathematically, how many people can buy $4,000 product? I don't think there are millions of them.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by cyberma

First thing EN teaches is to blog every single day. I am not sure if anybody can create a high quality content every day. If a person starts producing a lot garbage, all audience is gone soon. Who wants to read pointless blog posts?

I attended a so called webinar of EN. For an hour, they just interviewed people present there how much money they earn. And what I learnt from the webinar was, that to make $1,000,000 a year, you just need to do $3,000 a day. Wow, who in a world would say that?

In my opinion all the initial EN videos are just crap without any useful information. Just a loot of talking and attempt to create a cult.

I think EN could have been profitable for many people at the beginning, but now, because it is a pyramid, it is more and more difficult to chase new people to buy the EN products. Mathematically, how many people can buy $4,000 product? I don't think there are millions of them.

I am not sure, if you have seen this video, but I cannot stop laughing when I see it

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Originally Posted by cyberma

I am not sure, if you have seen this video, but I cannot stop laughing when I see it Enjoy

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LOL at least one of the better known 7 figure marketers knows crap when he sees it. It left a bad taste in my mouth to see marketers like Vick Strizheus jump on board.

It's like you want to think they have good intentions, but then you see them associate with programs EN. Marketers like Vick only do so well because of the bonuses they attach to their offers (his high traffic academy was a huge hit obviously).
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axel40

12 years ago

Does any one know if it is possible to avoid using your true name for the web site hosting etc. on EN and instead use a penname.
If you for any reason do not want to be found in this connection on search engines...
Important for me anyhow !

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by axel40

Does any one know if it is possible to avoid using your true name for the web site hosting etc. on EN and instead use a penname.
If you for any reason do not want to be found in this connection on search engines...
Important for me anyhow !

Yeah Man its easy to change your name just login on the admin profile page at the top right click profile delete your first name and put anything you want on the last name. Also on the wordpress blog section you put you name in the profile just like any wordpress setup.

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yesucandoit

12 years ago

It is hillarious that people are willing to pay $25 a month for a free blog, $100 a month for motivational speaking and $1,600 for a outdated seo course that who knows how many people are using. Do people still believe they can outsmart a multi billion dollar company?

You think the share holders paying $600 a share will put up with some punks doing this.

This program has cult and suckers written all over it.

Oh yeah this David wood guy use to live in a van with no im experience lol

Get real folks.

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Datingport

12 years ago

For those who are knocking Empower,

Sure you're sick of hearing about them.
Sure its a wordpress blog. I have a few myself that I built for free.
Maybe they're selling a dream......
And I really don't think he lived in a van either.

But like I said earlier, They have killer sales tools. That's what sells it.
I joined on the 11th, I made my first sale today.
I have no list.

I'm not really a blogger, I'm more adult oriented but I have a few satellite sites that aren't adult.

Needless to say, My network was doing just fine without Empower. It's just another tool in my arsenal to make money. I just integrated it into my network and it's on autopilot already. Now I write my normal article for MY blog, or Squidoo like I normally do, wait a day or two, spin it and post it back on Empower's blog. Time spent? 3 minutes for working on my Empower blog.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Datingport

For those who are knocking Empower,

Sure you're sick of hearing about them.
Sure its a wordpress blog. I have a few myself that I built for free.
Maybe they're selling a dream......
And I really don't think he lived in a van either.

But like I said earlier, They have killer sales tools. That's what sells it.
I joined on the 11th, I made my first sale today.
I have no list.

I'm not really a blogger, I'm more adult oriented but I have a few satellite sites that aren't adult.

Needless to say, My network was doing just fine without Empower. It's just another tool in my arsenal to make money. I just integrated it into my network and it's on autopilot already. Now I write my normal article for MY blog, or Squidoo like I normally do, wait a day or two, spin it and post it back on Empower's blog. Time spent? 3 minutes for working on my Empower blog.

Killer sales tools?

Based on pipe dreams?

The funny part is they are getting branded by others money lol and making $19.95 a month for customer support and a payment processor which you pay a fee per transaction on top of that.

Everyone is different I just like to sleep well at night knowing I haven't taken someone hard earned money and sold them a pipe dream or got them to pay for something that is free.

All the top earners where former marketers and had the inside leg on this opportunity. Yet they create the Illusion.

They create the illusion they where just "normal just like you and I" lol

How can anyone support or promote a company that has an event called "release your inner bad ass?"

Again the cult mentality do and not think.

Anything for a buck I guess for some. I guess they have to justify paying $1,600 for an outdated seo course.

Gee I wonder if the empower biz op guy wives know that they did that.

Frying pans would be flying off the local store shelves onto the hubbies heads.

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Salesmanship In Print

12 years ago

A note to Empower peddlers - if you want to go even further down this road (in search of ruthlessly "killer" tactics with amazing conversion rates), why don't you go to your nearest kindergarten playground and offer to trade the little kiddies "a great BIG nickel!" for each of their "little bitty dimes." You'll double your money, and sleep like a baby.

Thank me later.

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earlcash 12 years ago

LOL Very funny , I have been with Empower for 18 months and have done very well,
along with my team. That is all i have to say. Join for $25 blog every day.That is it
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print

A note to Empower peddlers - if you want to go even further down this road (in search of ruthlessly "killer" tactics with amazing conversion rates), why don't you go to your nearest kindergarten playground and offer to trade the little kiddies "a great BIG nickel!" for each of their "little bitty dimes." You'll double your money, and sleep like a baby.

Thank me later.

I laughed my axx off. I don't believe in this Empower Network MLM Scheme, I would advice anyone I know to stay away from it.

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Johnc1 12 years ago

ok yesucandoit... what IM program/tool do you suggest for IM/Affiliate newbie with lots of internet/site experience willing to put the real grunt work into making a living at home choosing his own hours... albeit long ones????
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Kurt@viewswin

12 years ago

Did you all not read the first post of the thread. EN is rubbish, you can make money beating up old ladies and stealing their handbags, but you don't because its un ethical. EN is the same

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Saintsfan40

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt@viewswin

Did you all not read the first post of the thread. EN is rubbish, you can make money beating up old ladies and stealing their handbags, but you don't because its un ethical. EN is the same

Agreed. It's unethical and a worthless hyped up piece of shit pipe dream. Same results, only the top few circle jerkers make money where the rest struggle to even make a dime.

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12 years ago

IMO if it is not allowed on Facebook that tells me there is something wrong with it.

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matchoo77

12 years ago

This group definitely has harnessed the power of a MASSIVE JV force....I saw a guy who isn't even accepting solo ads for this product anymore (probably due to so many ppl trying to promote it)

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Lloyd Veritas

12 years ago

Yeah, I've heard some good things about Empower Network. Seems like a good number of big name IMer's are in it. And from what I hear, it's teaches you some good marketing and how to use IM tools. The potential to make a good money is there too. I think one of the main problems with this MLM system is a result of one of it's strengths. What I mean by that is that it looks good to have all those big name IMer's in it, but that's exactly what will make it very difficult for the newbie to average experience IMer.

I think the competition is just too stiff more most. I really like the idea of residual income involved in MLM business structures, but when it gets saturated, it becomes tough to get much out of it.

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Robert02011

12 years ago

I was in empower network and got no traffic from the blog they gave me after being in for a month i quit and went back to my own blogs where i have more success.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Hey Marc,

It's a great system for people who want to be affiliate marketers.

However I wouldn't recommend it if you want to build an MLM business.

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boknows 12 years ago

Hey David,

What system do you recommend to build your MLM business? I signed up with Isagenix and it is going great and I want to keep on expanding. Which of course is the name of the game.

Any help in doing this online would be appreciated.

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Jeff Lenney

12 years ago

EN is the real deal guys. 100% commission which is great, and honestly - the things you learn - you can use to sell and market ANYTHING. Friend of mine signed up and made $3000 this month or so (he's brand new) to the Empower Network

I'm going in at level 2 in empower today, the person that referred me to empower i VERY much trust and he's Just under one of the higher ups- which gives me (and my people) access to his stuff and even the OWNERS site and training.

No scam at all, just do what they teach you and don't be afraid to put yourself out there.

I would not be going in if I didn't trust this person.

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trswitch

12 years ago

Do you have to pay $25 PLUS $19.95/month to earn the commission for promoting EN itself?

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Jesus Perez

12 years ago

Originally Posted by trswitch

Do you have to pay $25 PLUS $19.95/month to earn the commission for promoting EN itself?

Yes.

You need to pay eWallet $19.95/mth to receive payments because no other payment processor will go near them.

And you need to pay EmpowerNetwork $25/mth for membership.

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trswitch

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Yes.

You need to pay eWallet $19.95/mth to receive payments because no other payment processor will go near them.

And you need to pay EmpowerNetwork $25/mth for membership.

Thanks a lot!

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TextRock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Yes.

You need to pay eWallet $19.95/mth to receive payments because no other payment processor will go near them.

And you need to pay EmpowerNetwork $25/mth for membership.

You can also use authorize.net, I'm not in EN but the facts are not hard to find. Might do some research before you post incorrect information.

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Jesus Perez

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TextRock

You can also use authorize.net, I'm not in EN but the facts are not hard to find. Might do some research before you post incorrect information.

No...you can't use Authorize.net.

Authorize.net Removed From Payment Processor - Copyright © Empower Network, LLC

As I predicted, they're losing processors quickly. It's just a matter of time.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

No...you can't use Authorize.net.

Authorize.net Removed From Payment Processor - Copyright © Empower Network, LLC

As I predicted, they're losing processors quickly. It's just a matter of time.

Thanks for the information Perez, I do have to point out that at the time of your post 11-21-2012 authorize.net was still in use on EN it was not until 12-1-2012 was it announced that it would no longer be able to be used. But it looks like I should have done more research at the time of my post too lol!

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SeasideMarketer

12 years ago

Would you recommend Empower Network to your family and friends? No - that should be the litmus test

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SeasideMarketer

Would you recommend Empower Network to your family and friends? No - that should be the litmus test

I would, in fact I did. I referred my brother two days ago and he has already referred 10 people, of which I received the commission from the 2nd, 4th and 6th sale.

There is nothing wrong with Empower Network, at all.

If you put in the work, you will see results.

The main problem I see with people joining Empower Network, is that they join, do a few blog posts then quit.

Dedicate yourself at least one solid hour per day working on it at first. Don't just stick to posting on your Empower Network blog, use other avenues as well.

Also, dont just promote Empower Network on your blog. I recommend using affiliate networks like Amazon and writing a product review. Less competition, and your blog will naturally rank quite well due to the authority it contains.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Monroe

I would, in fact I did. I referred my brother two days ago and he has already referred 10 people, of which I received the commission from the 2nd, 4th and 6th sale.

There is nothing wrong with Empower Network, at all.

If you put in the work, you will see results.

The main problem I see with people joining Empower Network, is that they join, do a few blog posts then quit.

Dedicate yourself at least one solid hour per day working on it at first. Don't just stick to posting on your Empower Network blog, use other avenues as well.

Also, dont just promote Empower Network on your blog. I recommend using affiliate networks like Amazon and writing a product review. Less competition, and your blog will naturally rank quite well due to the authority it contains.

The sole purpose of Empower Network is to get members to recruit new members who in turn recruit new members...and so on and so forth

Therefore it's MLM.

So what is the product? If there is a product (the blog) it is something directly linked to the financial opportunity.

Sure you can make money with it... but hey you can make doing a ponzi scheme - doesn't make it right.

It'll be shut down soon enough

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SeasideMarketer

The sole purpose of Empower Network is to get members to recruit new members who in turn recruit new members...and so on and so forth

Therefore it's MLM.

So what is the product? If there is a product (the blog) it is something directly linked to the financial opportunity.

Sure you can make money with it... but hey you can make doing a ponzi scheme - doesn't make it right.

It'll be shut down soon enough

Have a read off this

Empower Network Scam or Legit? | Adventures in Self-Publishing & Making Online Income

There are four products actually, and it's mostly training. And no, it's not training on how to sell Empower Network to others.

And also no, it's not a Ponzi Scheme either.

A lot of doubters, but I guarantee if you get in, you will change your mind.

How do I know?

Because I stayed away from it for months, then eventually I got in about a week ago.

The training is solid, and it's a great way to make money, so yeah I was a 'doubter' but now I have been converted.

I'm not going to get into a huge discussion over it, but i don't really think you can judge it from the outside.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Monroe

There are four products actually, and it's mostly training. And no, it's not training on how to sell Empower Network to others.

And also no, it's not a Ponzi Scheme either.

A lot of doubters, but I guarantee if you get in, you will change your mind.

How do I know?

Because I stayed away from it for months, then eventually I got in about a week ago.

The training is solid, and it's a great way to make money, so yeah I was a 'doubter' but now I have been converted.

I'm not going to get into a huge discussion over it, but i don't really think you can judge it from the outside.

Yes, but the products are related to the financial opportunity - you want your downline to buy these products.

Everyone is encouraged to buy all the products because that way everyone makes and is entitled to more money.

And the fact you say ''you can't judge it from the outside'' and ''once you get in you'll change your mind'' is something that many less than respectable mlm's peddle.

Either way, good luck with it

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Monroe

There are four products actually, and it's mostly training. And no, it's not training on how to sell Empower Network to others.

And also no, it's not a Ponzi Scheme either.

A lot of doubters, but I guarantee if you get in, you will change your mind.

How do I know?

Because I stayed away from it for months, then eventually I got in about a week ago.

The training is solid, and it's a great way to make money, so yeah I was a 'doubter' but now I have been converted.

I'm not going to get into a huge discussion over it, but i don't really think you can judge it from the outside.

Ditto on that. I got in last night after being an doubter

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awww1some 11 years ago

I am getting in as well. I worked another mlm for 2 weeks signing up two people and earned $5000 per month for 1 year. Some greedy distributers killed it 1 year after I got in. I worked for one more week and took the rest of the year off.
The people knocking EN were already against it. When they review it they are looking for negativity. Look at the Brick and mortar business models. In two years you will be gone, unless you are a franchise. But look at the start up costs to get a franchise.
I know of many, many, many, people who are average and making a good living after just a few weeks. The secret is they really want to make it and do not give up. they get all the support they need.
It is not a scam or illegal pyramid. No cool aid here. Will it last forever. Hell no!
You can still learn to market from the pros. You can then succeed at anything else when it is gone. Look how many people were Google slapped. I could come up with many other examples. Does it make Google a scam? Are people still making money.
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Lori Willis 11 years ago

Hi, I've been in EN for almost a year now and have really loved what I've learned. I have my degree in Journalism & Marketing with a focus in advertising, because the world of "marketing & advertising" has changed Soooooo much since 2000 when I graduated, I can honestly say Empower has given me more up to date info on how to market my business in todays world than my own College Education gave me! I also noticed today, that i'm only being charged $19.95 per month and I still have access to my blog and my inner circle audios. I thought it was a monthly fee.... but I'm not getting charged monthly. This could be a glitch, but I hope not Best of Wishes on your decision

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Michael Field-Dodgson

12 years ago

As I have said elsewhere it depends on what you like.

The sales copy is very well put together and pulls all the right emotional triggers. But, take away all the hype and rationalisation and you will find Empower Network is simply an MLM business using IM products as it's operational cash flow.

I was in MLM for a decade and did very well - Empower fits the mould perfectly! But hey, at the end of the day it is about "convincing" people - and 9 times out of 10 you convince the wrong people. So then you have to convince them to do something.............................

Look at the structure, look at what you are "advised" to do, look at the required investment(s), look at the different levels, listen carefully to the nature and content of the videos, especially the videos of the (carefully managed) home meetings and then try and tell me it is not MLM.

It might be something that attracts you, it might be something that rings alarm bells.

From my business journey to date, several decades, it rings alarm bells.

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briancouch85

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Field-Dodgson

As I have said elsewhere it depends on what you like.

The sales copy is very well put together and pulls all the right emotional triggers. But, take away all the hype and rationalisation and you will find Empower Network is simply an MLM business using IM products as it's operational cash flow.

I was in MLM for a decade and did very well - Empower fits the mould perfectly! But hey, at the end of the day it is about "convincing" people - and 9 times out of 10 you convince the wrong people. So then you have to convince them to do something.............................

Look at the structure, look at what you are "advised" to do, look at the required investment(s), look at the different levels, listen carefully to the nature and content of the videos, especially the videos of the (carefully managed) home meetings and then try and tell me it is not MLM.

It might be something that attracts you, it might be something that rings alarm bells.

From my business journey to date, several decades, it rings alarm bells.

Cheers

I would agree with most of what you are saying. Main difference I'd like to bring up is that with most mlm's the payout is arond 55%, not 100% so there's more money being made. Additionally, most mlms have relatively easy to find competition in the traditional market place that is much cheaper. I wouldn't say that's necessarily true in IM.
As for having to "convince" people, In MLM I had to convince people to meet me somewhere, then convince them to join. With Empower you just have to convince them to click a link. As for convincing the wrong people to do something, that's the system's job, you just keep focusing on convincing more to click the link to the sales funnel. Whats truely different about empower though is the culture of time and financial freedom through leveraging systems.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Field-Dodgson

As I have said elsewhere it depends on what you like.

I was in MLM for a decade and did very well - Empower fits the mould perfectly! But hey, at the end of the day it is about "convincing" people - and 9 times out of 10 you convince the wrong people. So then you have to convince them to do something.............................

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One top MLM leader say " you don't "convince" people to join you" Those who are skeptical will avoid it, not matter what you say. So you only explain to people who are interested.

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StrongVitality 12 years ago

I don't understand why people are so skeptical.

It's not a pyramid scheme since the products have
extremely low refund rates. But hey, aren't all
offline jobs "pyramids" anyways? Think about that...

In my personal opinion, I'd never be where I'm at today
because of going all in and absorbing myself into the products and training.
I truly believe the training within Empower Network is the only reason
why I've made my first sales within my first month of joining.

I'm not only making sales in empower network,
but also in other platforms I promote.
Building my list, thanks to shaqir husseyin haha
His 15k formula solo ad training is top notch.

I really could go on and on but I don't want to bore you.
The fact of the matter is whether you make money with
Empower Network or not, it's the only place you'll get
the training they offer.

Which is extremely powerful...
Doesn't it make sense to just pay a one
time fee of $1500 to actually learn advanced techniques
you can use the rest of your IM career...

Instead of buying product after product,
paying for personal coaching sessions,
wasting your time looking for the secret (there isn't one, but keep paying for the promise that there is if you want to)
wasting your time not knowing what to do,
etc.
etc.
etc.

Hopefully I've helped some of you here?

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rickwill71 12 years ago

i think it's a good product, but it's like anything don't abuse it
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lordkensal 12 years ago

I have to agree with Josh - I stayed away for ages - as I wasn't sure exactly what it was. But when I start seeing other internet marketers making money with it (including my own Internet Marketing Bootcamp students) I just had to take another look. I asked around, did more research - but you know what. Best research is to just jump in and try it (if only for 30 days) - after all what is $25 Basic Members +$19 to be an affiliate - if I can't make that back in a month then, it is just not worth it. (and you get a decent blogging platform)

So I jumped in. I made my investment back within the first week (you only need 3 commissions to cover all your expenses) - regretted not upgrading immediately, as I saw bigger commissions pass me by (over $1500 worth - because I delayed upgrading!).
Upgraded to Inner Circle - now I earn $125 month commission if someone signs up to the Inner Circle.
The training in the Inner Circle is much more broad than just selling the EN, it is about motivation, how to sell, how to sell honestly - and can be applied to any business.
Look guys - this is relatively easy way to make money online.
You can decide that it is NOT for you - and do nothing, and earn NOTHING
or - You can decide that you would quite like another monthly income stream
People DO make money from this - so why shouldn't you.
It is that simple.
Don't procrastinate - give it a go for a month - if you haven't covered all your costs in 30 days, then, hey - perhaps it is not for you!
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lizn32

12 years ago

I asked for a refund as money was taken twice out of my account by mistake and they refused. This business disempowers rather than empowers people. It is appauling for newbies. They only care about those with a lot of money.Please don't join if you are a newbie!

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by lizn32

I asked for a refund as money was taken twice out of my account by mistake and they refused. This business disempowers rather than empowers people. It is appauling for newbies. They only care about those with a lot of money.Please don't join if you are a newbie!

The bottom line is that they don't care about anyone or anything except taking your hard earned money. I wouldn't recommend Empower to beginners or any level. They're training techniques on how to hypnotize and brainwash people into joining. That right there is evil and downright scary.

Avoid Empower like the Plague!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Saintsfan40

The bottom line is that they don't care about anyone or anything except taking your hard earned money. I wouldn't recommend Empower to beginners or any level. They're training techniques on how to hypnotize and brainwash people into joining. That right there is evil and downright scary.

Avoid Empower like the Plague!

Wow. I'm sorry to hear about what happened there and we're all entitled to our opinions, of course, but I will have to disagree with this post completely.

As previously posted:

If you do a little homework on the company and its founders and all checks out okay, you believe in the product, you feel that the market will respond favorably to it, and you are ready to do some work, then have at it!

As with any business doors can close on anybody for a number of reasons... Diversify no matter who you're with. This is business 101.

Some companies don't allow you to be involved with other mlms simultaneously - and that's my first question. If that's the case, then bye, bye as far as I'm concerned.

I am involved with one company that puts a cap on how far you can climb, but that's cool. Their health product is awesome and it's mostly about the product for me with them anyway...

As far as Empower Network is concerned, I think that the system and the company culture is great! I'm not making anything worth bragging about yet, but I have internally turned a corner because of their empowering audios...

If you're a newbie and especially you're kind-of spinning your wheels in online marketing or mlm then there is probably something that you have to work out with your mindset, your DMO, systems, or all of the above and Empower is a good place to get your head straight - at least it was for me.

This said, you will need to join at the inner circle level which is the $100/month level. Totally worth it and there's new content coming out 3 (minimum) if not 4 times a month!

Treat it like a business, do the math, and don't be afraid of a little overhead - especially if it makes you or your business better!

It's a must have tool to keep focused and your people focused and motivated.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Saintsfan40

The bottom line is that they don't care about anyone or anything except taking your hard earned money. I wouldn't recommend Empower to beginners or any level. They're training techniques on how to hypnotize and brainwash people into joining. That right there is evil and downright scary.

Avoid Empower like the Plague!

Well said - 100% correct!

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

How is it ponzi?

The way I see it, it's a high ticket affiliate program with one helluva high-converting sales funnel. Sure, you can also recruit others too, but you'll only get 20% of their sales. You don't have to recruit.

I don't think the blog network is high authority though. Sure, it may be 500 on Alexa but when was the last time you saw Empower ranking on Google page one for any terms? I'd never come across the site until I looked it up specifically.

I am not sure where you get the idea it is a helluva high-converting sales funnel? David Wood himself, said you would need 100 people opting in per day in order to make two $25 sales.

It is interesting what you say about their blog though as they promote that as one of the main reasons they charge $25 per month.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Kent

Yes but consider how many people upgrade. From what I understand, something like half will upgrade to the $100/month level.

Maybe he is being a little humble with his stats. Something as big as this has obviously been tested like crazy. The landing pages are fantastic, as is the video.

Yes, I'm currently trying some keyword experiments to see what kind of pulling power the blog has but its not as strong as, say, Livestrong, for example. The default template is very good though. Again, you can see that they have clearly worked on conversion with the banner design and templates.

In terms of "blog every day and make money" message that some are saying, I don't think this is true if you want the big money. Looking at the blogs of those on the leaderboard, they are nothing special. They are clearly getting their leads some other way.

But the way I see it, even if someone leaves after 6 months and has spent > $500, they still get one helluva marketing education. The materials are REALLY good. And the claims made about the program are nowhere near as outlandish as those made in WSOs.

That's why I don't understand all the negativity towards Empower Network. It's like many people are automatically against it. And yet it is more honest than 99% of IM programs out there. Haven't counted but I think there's something like >100 hours of training material there. Way more than I saw in Wealthy Affiliate, for example.

Yes, they say 40% up grade, but the nine who I brought in, none of them up graded.

If the actual Empower Network landing pages are that fantastic, why are so many including all the top earners part of simple2advertise?

Most of us know that the majority of WSO's are simply a way to take money from the naive, which I think is a far enough comparison.

I for one am not against Empower Network, however it is not as simple to make money as many in Empower Network would have you believe. For example, David Sharpe says you should do a solo ad each day for Empower Network, however most Solo ad providers won't accept ad's any more as they have been saturated with people wanting to promote Empower Network.

I can't really compare to other similar affiliate programs out there apart from dot com secrets x which gives a lot more value as far as marketing goes then Empower Network, unless you are all in as they like to call it.

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12 years ago

With systems such as Empower, if the law didn't require them to include 'products' to make it legal, they wouldn't bother to offer any (they exist only to avoid the legal definition of a 'scheme'). The 'products' are only placeholders. In other words, the products could just as well be various sized sacks of cow manure, as long as they hit the price points that make sense from a marketing perspective (low, med, high - to keep enough money floating around to attract more flies).

The object of the game is to get prospects to look at the 'high-converting' sales funnel and say to themselves "Gee, if I would pay this much for sacks of cow manure, SURELY I could find others who would do likewise!" And thus the 'circle jerk' cycle begins...

The only question is how much 'jerking' you will do before you get sick of peddling manure, and then get off the merry-go-round. Oh sure, some will 'make a lot of money!' Well...congratulations! Let me slap you on the back and buy you a big fat cigar.

My only question is...what will you be willing to do NEXT TIME you get a whiff of money?

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12 years ago

Spot on -- hit the nail on the head there mate

Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print

With systems such as Empower, if the law didn't require them to include 'products' to make it legal, they wouldn't bother to offer any (they exist only to avoid the legal definition of a 'scheme'). The 'products' are only placeholders. In other words, the products could just as well be various sized sacks of cow manure, as long as they hit the price points that make sense from a marketing perspective (low, med, high - to keep enough money floating around to attract more flies).

The object of the game is to get prospects to look at the 'high-converting' sales funnel and say to themselves "Gee, if I would pay this much for sacks of cow manure, SURELY I could find others who would do likewise!" And thus the 'circle jerk' cycle begins...

The only question is how much 'jerking' you will do before you get sick of peddling manure, and then get off the merry-go-round. Oh sure, some will 'make a lot of money!' Well...congratulations! Let me slap you on the back and buy you a big fat cigar.

My only question is...what will you be willing to do NEXT TIME you get a whiff of money?

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smak

12 years ago

Hi

This one specifically goes out to EN members.

Can you clear my confusion as to what exactly websites yu use to promote EN? Is it that you use the $25 blog that everyone gets with starter package.

Personally I feel that blog does not really showcase the biz opp side of EN very well - moneymaking potential of EN gets a little lost in the background amidst all the text and lenghty videos.

So is there a standalone website that specifically promotes the biz and focuses on the money making side of EN (with shorter and more interesting videos rather than 2 guys waffling for endless time). And what about the lead capture side of things - would love to see some sample EN squeeze pages.

I prefer having checked these sites before joining. So it will be appreciated if existing EN members can pm me with links of webpages they use to promote EN.

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swriviera

12 years ago

I really find this all very amusing.

Have any of you promoted an affiliate product with recurring payments?

Honestly, how is this different?

With affiliate marketing people send out tons of emails or ads to get people to "join" ... I mean "buy". And if it is a product with a recurring payment it is like "joining" a club. And depending on which product you buy (join) you usually pay just to be able to continue to have access to the membership site - that NEVER changes!!! (That is a common rip-off). There are others out there that give you continuing training for your monthly payment - there are a few good ones out there!!

Most internet marketers are sending you tons of emails to buy this or that product ONLY based on the commissions they will get - they haven't even purchased the product to see what it really is!!!!
How about all of the phoney "reviews" people put on their websites for all of the clickbank products or WSO's. Most of the reviews are only based on what the vendor provided on the JV page. Tell me, how is THAT ethical?

The Empower Network uses all of the same marketing techniques that any internet marketer uses - there is not just ONE site. It is up to you if you prefer free or paid methods (or a mix).

There is one HUGE difference with promoting the Empower Network as compared to almost any other product is that you MUST purchase the product to be able to promote it. Internet Marketing has gotten so much out of control that I truly think that more products should be like that.

The advantage of the the blog is that

- you don't need to bother with the technical aspects of setting up a blog. This is one step that keeps many people from getting started and
- you can write articles on a blog that is ranking very high. If you do your keyword research correctly AND you promote it like you would any other blogpost (social networks, web 2.0, paid advertising etc etc) you are even more likely to rank very high MUCH faster.
- you can use the blog to promote YOUR "other" business - whatever it is.

The Empower Network IS an affiliate program with good training. It is not the only one, but, in my humble opinion, it is a good one.

What most people seem to be afraid of is that the founders come from a MLM background. In so many of their trainings they tell you how much the simple MLM system did NOT work for them that is why they created something different!!!

Have a great day!!

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P.S. I'm putting up a web site very soon where I can give you a list of different products I have tested. Many have recurring payments others don't. Some have "continuing education", others don't.

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12 years ago

Hi, So what is your website?

Originally Posted by swriviera

I really find this all very amusing.

Have any of you promoted an affiliate product with recurring payments?

Honestly, how is this different?

With affiliate marketing people send out tons of emails or ads to get people to "join" ... I mean "buy". And if it is a product with a recurring payment it is like "joining" a club. And depending on which product you buy (join) you usually pay just to be able to continue to have access to the membership site - that NEVER changes!!! (That is a common rip-off). There are others out there that give you continuing training for your monthly payment - there are a few good ones out there!!

Most internet marketers are sending you tons of emails to buy this or that product ONLY based on the commissions they will get - they haven't even purchased the product to see what it really is!!!!
How about all of the phoney "reviews" people put on their websites for all of the clickbank products or WSO's. Most of the reviews are only based on what the vendor provided on the JV page. Tell me, how is THAT ethical?

The Empower Network uses all of the same marketing techniques that any internet marketer uses - there is not just ONE site. It is up to you if you prefer free or paid methods (or a mix).

There is one HUGE difference with promoting the Empower Network as compared to almost any other product is that you MUST purchase the product to be able to promote it. Internet Marketing has gotten so much out of control that I truly think that more products should be like that.

The advantage of the the blog is that

- you don't need to bother with the technical aspects of setting up a blog. This is one step that keeps many people from getting started and
- you can write articles on a blog that is ranking very high. If you do your keyword research correctly AND you promote it like you would any other blogpost (social networks, web 2.0, paid advertising etc etc) you are even more likely to rank very high MUCH faster.
- you can use the blog to promote YOUR "other" business - whatever it is.

The Empower Network IS an affiliate program with good training. It is not the only one, but, in my humble opinion, it is a good one.

What most people seem to be afraid of is that the founders come from a MLM background. In so many of their trainings they tell you how much the simple MLM system did NOT work for them that is why they created something different!!!

Have a great day!!

Sandra Walsh

P.S. I'm putting up a web site very soon where I can give you a list of different products I have tested. Many have recurring payments others don't. Some have "continuing education", others don't.

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Marian

12 years ago

Originally Posted by swriviera

The advantage of the the blog is that

- you don't need to bother with the technical aspects of setting up a blog. This is one step that keeps many people from getting started and
- you can write articles on a blog that is ranking very high. If you do your keyword research correctly AND you promote it like you would any other blogpost (social networks, web 2.0, paid advertising etc etc) you are even more likely to rank very high MUCH faster.
- you can use the blog to promote YOUR "other" business - whatever it is.

And for all this you DON'T need Empower Network or any other network (except yours if you will)

Installing WP is a one-click action, writing articles is obvious, and promoting all I want is obvious as well.

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Kev Tomlinson

12 years ago

Oh well, my first post on here. You have to start somewhere right?

Firstly let me declare my interest in as much as I work from home on a full time basis in Network Marketing (or MLM if you like) and also online marketing. I have been in the MLM field since 1992 and internet marketing or one sort or another since 2004.

I'm not going to join the discussion about whether Empower 'works' or not any more than I will get into a discussion about whether MLM works because frankly that is a mute point. People have already succeeded in making money... ipso facto, it works!

I do know however that the reason I left the Empower network (after purchasing the $25 a month blog + $20 ish affiliate fee don't forget - and the inner circle membership @ $100 month) hasn't been touched on yet in this forum (unless I missed it) and it might not even be an issue for most, I don't know. However, the reason I will have nothing to do with it is this:

Most if not all of you will know that there is an extremely high failure rate in business start ups. Notice I didn't limit that... I said business generically meaning conventional bricks and motor, online, offline, you name it, if you're starting up in business the statistics say that you are more likely to fail that succeed.
In MLM online and offline the failure rate is in excess of 90% (Failure for the sake of my point = unable to recoup investment) and in this one instance, just for the sake of brevity, I'm including schemes like Empower under that MLM umbrella simply because the failure rate is similar and I don't type very fast

,

Here's the rub! I am fully aware that there are exceptions to this but most traditional MLM companies offer a start up with minimal investment (not including the now extremely rare but once wide spread deplorable practice of front loading of new distributors). Some countries have even legislated to limit this initial cost. Also MOST distributors join MLM companies to try to generate additional funds precisely because they are failing to generate enough income from their jobs or perhaps because they have no jobs and are broke. Please note, I am not pandering to the MLM groupies who will have you believe many already successful people join just for time freedom..If you believe that I have some relics from Atlantis that you might be interested in

.

Here is a question that I think is interesting about Empower Network in particular and all high ticket GPT (get paid today) companies in general....
There are exceptions to every rule but most ethical networkers would agree that frontloading is wrong and unethical in many ways and not least because it is simply a fact that with most networkers failing, frontloading means that many, many networkers would be left with large quantities of product on their hands that they cannot sell ... there are many reasons for this and just as many counter excuses but it does not alter the industry official figures that a massively high percentage of people who join MLM (yes and other types of business too) fail.

That being the case what is the difference between old style frontloading and a company like Empower? Empower heavily weights it's front line promotion on massive results from the company's $25 blogging system which is attached to an 'authority domain' etc etc. Then when a recruit joins it massively and quite brilliantly promotes backend up selling to a total of $4625 ($125 +$18 monthly recurring + $4500 outright product purchase) and heavy duty psychology is used to put huge pressure on the new recruit with the message that they are not really part of the gang, they are not really serious etc etc until they are ALL IN having bought all the products. They are constantly exposed to the message that they need to do whatever is necessary to find the funds up front as soon as they can, including maxing out credit cards etc etc. That is not advocated directly but Dave wood very cleverly mentions repeatedly that is what he did in many of the 'training products' and 'mindset training'. The massively heavy up sell is present in nearly everything that Empower produces from the live training calls to ALL the training products themselves.

The bottom line is that when people join a 'normal' MLM the chance to make it big is always there but the chance of them failing is very much higher BUT with relatively minimal financial risk.

On the other hand, although you wouldn't think it when surfing the net, Empower Network's success stories (and I have no problem in believeing that the vast majority are true) are very much in the minority when taking their whole membership into account and the relatively very small percentage that do find success are either naively, arrogantly or are in denial of the fact that they are surfing on the top of a wave of failures, many of who are left with what is for many of them are massive debts incurred by 'buying into the dream', buying the products and 'getting all in' and then failing as they were always going to do.

I like to sleep soundly at night; I for one will stick with the partnership between my primary mlm and my online marketing operations, cheers!

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davidbatchelor 12 years ago

@Kev,

Very good for a first post.

You are absolutely right about the failure rate in MLM been over 90%.

People Fail because simply, they don't know HOW to SELL, reluctant to SELL, or are unavailable to SELL. Further, they cannot generate their own Leads - Consistently. For conversational and descriptive purpose, I respectfully categorize this MLM sector as "Amateurs".

However there is one company I know of (yes I am a part of it) that is turning it all around because we are simply transferring the Salesmen skills from the Amateurs to the Professionals within the system.

As far as I am aware, we are currently the only viable company in the world that comprehensively generates Qualified Leads & Traffic for direct conversions of: Personally Enrolled ("PE") Accounts - and then placing those PE's directly into peoples qualified: 3rd PARTY MLM Downline!

Further, in virtually every type of "MLM" structures in any MLM Company, prominent marketing & advertising "Gurus" (even "Donald Trump") rarely benefit anyone directly. With us, all that changes. We are proprietary and its other Top Internet Marketing Gurus and Advertising Professionals around the World will serve, and directly benefit those who join.
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- Kev Tomlinson 12 years ago
  
  Cheers for that David
  
  Forgive me if I sound at all jaded here and I am not one to spout on about my record or earnings or how many millions or how many recruits etc etc as I see some do on here and I never will do that because the day I have to rely on my past achievements or income figures to generate traction in a debate on a forum is the day I give it all up I say that simply because for over two decades I have seen them come and seen them go and in all of them I found really excited people promoting genuine revolutionary this or that and enthusiastically evangelising about how their company has a unique plan or has unique products etc.
  
  I'm sure your right and I really wish you all the very best with your endevours. However, again with respect, whilst I'm really pleased you have found your business home and it sounds really great, I thought we were going to chat about the Empower Network?
  
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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kev Tomlinson

Oh well, my first post on here. You have to start somewhere right?

Firstly let me declare my interest in as much as I work from home on a full time basis in Network Marketing (or MLM if you like) and also online marketing. I have been in the MLM field since 1992 and internet marketing or one sort or another since 2004.

I'm not going to join the discussion about whether Empower ‘works’ or not any more than I will get into a discussion about whether MLM works because frankly that is a mute point. People have already succeeded in making money... ipso facto, it works!

I do know however that the reason I left the Empower network (after purchasing the $25 a month blog + $20 ish affiliate fee don’t forget - and the inner circle membership @ $100 month) hasn't been touched on yet in this forum (unless I missed it) and it might not even be an issue for most, I don't know. However, the reason I will have nothing to do with it is this:

Most if not all of you will know that there is an extremely high failure rate in business start ups. Notice I didn't limit that... I said business generically meaning conventional bricks and motor, online, offline, you name it, if you’re starting up in business the statistics say that you are more likely to fail that succeed.
In MLM online and offline the failure rate is in excess of 90% (Failure for the sake of my point = unable to recoup investment) and in this one instance, just for the sake of brevity, I’m including schemes like Empower under that MLM umbrella simply because the failure rate is similar and I don’t type very fast

,

Here’s the rub! I am fully aware that there are exceptions to this but most traditional MLM companies offer a start up with minimal investment (not including the now extremely rare but once wide spread deplorable practice of front loading of new distributors). Some countries have even legislated to limit this initial cost. Also MOST distributors join MLM companies to try to generate additional funds precisely because they are failing to generate enough income from their jobs or perhaps because they have no jobs and are broke. Please note, I am not pandering to the MLM groupies who will have you believe many already successful people join just for time freedom..If you believe that I have some relics from Atlantis that you might be interested in

.

Here is a question that I think is interesting about Empower Network in particular and all high ticket GPT (get paid today) companies in general….
There are exceptions to every rule but most ethical networkers would agree that frontloading is wrong and unethical in many ways and not least because it is simply a fact that with most networkers failing, frontloading means that many, many networkers would be left with large quantities of product on their hands that they cannot sell ... there are many reasons for this and just as many counter excuses but it does not alter the industry official figures that a massively high percentage of people who join MLM (yes and other types of business too) fail.

That being the case what is the difference between old style frontloading and a company like Empower? Empower heavily weights it’s front line promotion on massive results from the company’s $25 blogging system which is attached to an ‘authority domain’ etc etc. Then when a recruit joins it massively and quite brilliantly promotes backend up selling to a total of $4625 ($125 +$18 monthly recurring + $4500 outright product purchase) and heavy duty psychology is used to put huge pressure on the new recruit with the message that they are not really part of the gang, they are not really serious etc etc until they are ALL IN having bought all the products. They are constantly exposed to the message that they need to do whatever is necessary to find the funds up front as soon as they can, including maxing out credit cards etc etc. That is not advocated directly but Dave wood very cleverly mentions repeatedly that is what he did in many of the ‘training products’ and ‘mindset training’. The massively heavy up sell is present in nearly everything that Empower produces from the live training calls to ALL the training products themselves.

The bottom line is that when people join a ‘normal’ MLM the chance to make it big is always there but the chance of them failing is very much higher BUT with relatively minimal financial risk.

On the other hand, although you wouldn’t think it when surfing the net, Empower Network’s success stories (and I have no problem in believeing that the vast majority are true) are very much in the minority when taking their whole membership into account and the relatively very small percentage that do find success are either naively, arrogantly or are in denial of the fact that they are surfing on the top of a wave of failures, many of who are left with what is for many of them are massive debts incurred by ‘buying into the dream’, buying the products and ‘getting all in’ and then failing as they were always going to do.

I like to sleep soundly at night; I for one will stick with the partnership between my primary mlm and my online marketing operations, cheers!

Great post, and great addition to the discussion.

I have only been a member of Empower Network for around a month, but I'm already seeing the benefits after being so reluctant to join in the first place.

Obviously not everyone can succeed, but it's no different than any other product out there, whether it be on ClickBank, ClickSure, WSO or real life.

How many people buy weight loss DVD's and don't lose any weight? The same goes for people who start diets.

I've been online for just under three years now, and I've learnt how to pretty much do everything that is required to make whatever venture I do successful. I can generate leads, make sales etc but I know a lot of people can't.

This is why for everyone who joins my team, I have created my own personal training showing what Im currently doing to build leads, and letting them pretty much copy it.

My training along with the Empower Network training, I really cant see people not brining in AT LEAST one sale to break even, and I know it shouldn't be this way, but if you join a 'good team' you should be pretty much set, right? (Even though JUST joining Empower should be enough).

Just thought I'd add to the discussion, as I'm clearly not the 'average' person you talk about with your original comment.

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kev Tomlinson

Oh well, my first post on here. You have to start somewhere right?

Firstly let me declare my interest in as much as I work from home on a full time basis in Network Marketing (or MLM if you like) and also online marketing. I have been in the MLM field since 1992 and internet marketing or one sort or another since 2004.

I'm not going to join the discussion about whether Empower ‘works’ or not any more than I will get into a discussion about whether MLM works because frankly that is a mute point. People have already succeeded in making money... ipso facto, it works!

I do know however that the reason I left the Empower network (after purchasing the $25 a month blog + $20 ish affiliate fee don’t forget - and the inner circle membership @ $100 month) hasn't been touched on yet in this forum (unless I missed it) and it might not even be an issue for most, I don't know. However, the reason I will have nothing to do with it is this:

Most if not all of you will know that there is an extremely high failure rate in business start ups. Notice I didn't limit that... I said business generically meaning conventional bricks and motor, online, offline, you name it, if you’re starting up in business the statistics say that you are more likely to fail that succeed.
In MLM online and offline the failure rate is in excess of 90% (Failure for the sake of my point = unable to recoup investment) and in this one instance, just for the sake of brevity, I’m including schemes like Empower under that MLM umbrella simply because the failure rate is similar and I don’t type very fast

,

Here’s the rub! I am fully aware that there are exceptions to this but most traditional MLM companies offer a start up with minimal investment (not including the now extremely rare but once wide spread deplorable practice of front loading of new distributors). Some countries have even legislated to limit this initial cost. Also MOST distributors join MLM companies to try to generate additional funds precisely because they are failing to generate enough income from their jobs or perhaps because they have no jobs and are broke. Please note, I am not pandering to the MLM groupies who will have you believe many already successful people join just for time freedom..If you believe that I have some relics from Atlantis that you might be interested in

.

Here is a question that I think is interesting about Empower Network in particular and all high ticket GPT (get paid today) companies in general….
There are exceptions to every rule but most ethical networkers would agree that frontloading is wrong and unethical in many ways and not least because it is simply a fact that with most networkers failing, frontloading means that many, many networkers would be left with large quantities of product on their hands that they cannot sell ... there are many reasons for this and just as many counter excuses but it does not alter the industry official figures that a massively high percentage of people who join MLM (yes and other types of business too) fail.

That being the case what is the difference between old style frontloading and a company like Empower? Empower heavily weights it’s front line promotion on massive results from the company’s $25 blogging system which is attached to an ‘authority domain’ etc etc. Then when a recruit joins it massively and quite brilliantly promotes backend up selling to a total of $4625 ($125 +$18 monthly recurring + $4500 outright product purchase) and heavy duty psychology is used to put huge pressure on the new recruit with the message that they are not really part of the gang, they are not really serious etc etc until they are ALL IN having bought all the products. They are constantly exposed to the message that they need to do whatever is necessary to find the funds up front as soon as they can, including maxing out credit cards etc etc. That is not advocated directly but Dave wood very cleverly mentions repeatedly that is what he did in many of the ‘training products’ and ‘mindset training’. The massively heavy up sell is present in nearly everything that Empower produces from the live training calls to ALL the training products themselves.

The bottom line is that when people join a ‘normal’ MLM the chance to make it big is always there but the chance of them failing is very much higher BUT with relatively minimal financial risk.

On the other hand, although you wouldn’t think it when surfing the net, Empower Network’s success stories (and I have no problem in believeing that the vast majority are true) are very much in the minority when taking their whole membership into account and the relatively very small percentage that do find success are either naively, arrogantly or are in denial of the fact that they are surfing on the top of a wave of failures, many of who are left with what is for many of them are massive debts incurred by ‘buying into the dream’, buying the products and ‘getting all in’ and then failing as they were always going to do.

I like to sleep soundly at night; I for one will stick with the partnership between my primary mlm and my online marketing operations, cheers!

I've got to comment on this because I do see your point. Not sure if most people
know this or not but big ticket programs get one wealthier quicker than small ticket
period. Ask anybody who pushes big ticket. The numbers are the numbers.

The numbers say usually 1 out of 100 people will buy into your $25 program.
The numbers say 1 out of 100 will also buy into your $1000 program. 1% rule
right? Give or take .

Now if you make 10 sales for the month and make $250 I guess one could
could find "less guilt" knowing that if 9 of his 10 recruits fail then at least they
didn't lose much money. That's good that you'll sleep better I suppose because
you'll need it for the job you will be needing to attend the next morning to pay
your bills with.

On the other hand the gent who just made $10,000 with 1% conversions, I imagine will feel bad the 9 people who spent $1,000 will lose out on never experiencing what $10,000 in the business feels like for not sticking it through.
I imagine he will also sleep well on his tempurpedic mattress well through the
morning.

To each his own but I'd rather be on the right side of the 1% conversion rule.

Cheers
(For clarification I'm not talking about EN's products in this example. I'm talking about hypothetical
programs at those 2 different price points)

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by samrand

Ask anybody who pushes big ticket. The numbers are the numbers.

The numbers say usually 1 out of 100 people will buy into your $25 program.
The numbers say 1 out of 100 will also buy into your $1000 program. 1% rule
right? Give or take .

To each his own but I'd rather be on the right side of the 1% conversion rule.

Cheers

If that was the case, why do they focus on the $25 sign up and not the big ticket sign up's?

The actual numbers according to one of their top leaders is that for every 100 people who visit one of their squeeze pages, 25% opt-in and over time 10% of those turn into sales and about half go on to buy the more expensive ticket items.

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by davidbatchelor

If that was the case, why do they focus on the $25 sign up and not the big ticket sign up's?

The actual numbers according to one of their top leaders is that for every 100 people who visit one of their squeeze pages, 25% opt-in and over time 10% of those turn into sales and about half go on to buy the more expensive ticket items.

To obviously attract everybody but if you see their videos they encourage you
to get all in which big ticket marketers find appealing.

Another important note is the low ticket stuff in EN is your 100% residuals
which everybody loves.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by samrand

To obviously attract everybody but if you see their videos they encourage you
to get all in which big ticket marketers find appealing.

Another important note is the low ticket stuff in EN is your 100% residuals
which everybody loves.

Actually if you pay attention, they exhort you to get all in after you join as a basic member at the $25 level as I have already mentioned above, that is where their focus is.

So if you were actually correct about the numbers, why do they get at least double the mount of people who get in at the $25 level as opposed to the $100 level. Then at the next level less then half up grade who came in at the $100 level.

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by davidbatchelor

Actually if you pay attention, they exhort you to get all in after you join as a basic member at the $25 level as I have already mentioned above, that is where their focus is.

So if you were actually correct about the numbers, why do they get at least double the mount of people who get in at the $25 level as opposed to the $100 level. Then at the next level less then half up grade who came in at the $100 level.

Well because its a sales funnel friend. Naturally after one becomes a customer
at $25 there will be less and less people upgrade as each step becomes more
expensive.

Maybe I'm a little foggy right now but maybe I'm missing your point about the
numbers that I referenced earlier. Are you asking me why they wouldn't push
the $3,000 course first instead of the $25 if the conversion numbers
were the same?

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davidbatchelor 12 years ago

Originally Posted by samrand

Are you asking me why they wouldn't push
the $3,000 course first instead of the $25 if the conversion numbers
were the same?

Exactly. That would make sense if that was actually the case, wouldn't it?
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Robert02011 11 years ago

Yes i agree with your comments
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smak

12 years ago

To be honest, these squeeze pages you listed for EN don't seem very impressive. What I was looking for eally was that don't EN have website that focuses on its program by educating visitors on everything from products to making money system.

I mean that EN blog and the squeeze pages I have seen don't do this job.

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by smak

To be honest, these squeeze pages you listed for EN don't seem very impressive. What I was looking for eally was that don't EN have website that focuses on its program by educating visitors on everything from products to making money system.

I mean that EN blog and the squeeze pages I have seen don't do this job.

As soon as you opt-in, before you can even think about purchasing you have to watch a video for 30 minutes that explains everything in great detail...

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tcallfitness

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print

With systems such as Empower, if the law didn't require them to include 'products' to make it legal, they wouldn't bother to offer any (they exist only to avoid the legal definition of a 'scheme'). The 'products' are only placeholders. In other words, the products could just as well be various sized sacks of cow manure, as long as they hit the price points that make sense from a marketing perspective (low, med, high - to keep enough money floating around to attract more flies).

The object of the game is to get prospects to look at the 'high-converting' sales funnel and say to themselves "Gee, if I would pay this much for sacks of cow manure, SURELY I could find others who would do likewise!" And thus the 'circle jerk' cycle begins...

The only question is how much 'jerking' you will do before you get sick of peddling manure, and then get off the merry-go-round. Oh sure, some will 'make a lot of money!' Well...congratulations! Let me slap you on the back and buy you a big fat cigar.

My only question is...what will you be willing to do NEXT TIME you get a whiff of money?

Let me know when you join; I'll send you my affiliate link. I'm in for the education and wouldn't be bothered if nobody got in my team; that's pretty good value right there.

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adamj2 12 years ago

Originally Posted by davidbatchelor

Yes, they say 40% up grade, but the nine who I brought in, none of them up graded.

I have signed up 125 people with Empower Network and 48 of them have upgraded to the Inner Circle.

That is 38% which is consistent with the figures David Wood talks about.
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  Use EN blog platform to create posts for additional backlinks to your main blog or website. Some good SEO juice down the road.
  
  Focus on building your main blog and branding your business and yourself, add links to EN on your main blog and vice versa.
  
  Even if or when EN comes to an end at least your main blog will still be available promoting you and your business.
  
  Like all money making opportunities online whether it be CPA, Clickbank, Amazon, MLM, ETC its all about promotion and marketing. Once you market it properly get traffic to your offer you will make our money back.
  
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Scott Skinner 11 years ago

Dave was living in a van down by the river, really? I just gotta laugh.....

"There is nothing new under the sun"

Chris Farley - Living In A Van Down By The River...

It is quite hilarious to watch the controversy over this. When in actuality, sales and marketing, or human nature for that matter really has not changed for several thousand years. Here is a litmus test I use before promoting a product.....

"To put it simply, at the end of the day, a product or service must enhance a person's life in such a way that they will recommend it to everyone they know, without promise of financial gain, for no other reason than the satisfaction of knowing that they made a positive difference in someones life."

If it can do that, you've got a winner!
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zippaz23

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SeasideMarketer

Would you recommend Empower Network to your family and friends? No - that should be the litmus test

I wouldn't recommend any Internet Marketing Business to my family or friends. When I first got into Internet Marketing that was the strategy that companies taught. Trust me it never works out. Even though I showed them every single thing I was doing that I was finding success with, they never followed through. The reality is that very few, if any, of your friends are business minded and willing to do what ever it takes to be successful. The majority just won't follow through and stick it out for the long-term. Most join a company or program, "try" it for a maybe a month and then they quit. Once I realized that I couldn't build my business on family and friends, I started to find success.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zippaz23

I wouldn't recommend any Internet Marketing Business to my family or friends. When I first got into Internet Marketing that was the strategy that companies taught. Trust me it never works out. Even though I showed them every single thing I was doing that I was finding success with, they never followed through. The reality is that very few, if any, of your friends are business minded and willing to do what ever it takes to be successful. The majority just won't follow through and stick it out for the long-term. Most join a company or program, "try" it for a maybe a month and then they quit. Once I realized that I couldn't build my business on family and friends, I started to find success.

Actually that doesn't make sense as every person who is in your business is someone's friend and relative, just not yours.

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cypherslock

12 years ago

It's funny...Network marketing is a proven business model. And there are still those that despite proof to the contrary (think Amway for one), label anything to do with it as a scam. True there are some out there (Emerald Passport comes to mind). But there are lots that aren't. And the problem usually isn't the plan, company etc. It's the person trying to market, either using techniques that might not work for that specific company or being unethical. And then there's the quick fix crowd....oy.

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Greg guitar

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

It's funny...Network marketing is a proven business model. And there are still those that despite proof to the contrary (think Amway for one), label anything to do with it as a scam. True there are some out there (Emerald Passport comes to mind). But there are lots that aren't. And the problem usually isn't the plan, company etc. It's the person trying to market, either using techniques that might not work for that specific company or being unethical. And then there's the quick fix crowd....oy.

"Network Marketing" is the more respectable name for the far more accurately titled "multilevel marketing" programs ("mlms"). It is the same thing. Every business in the world relies on "networks" of associates and customers, and the term "network marketing" is as descriptive of them as it is mlms, but mlms wanted to polish their well deserved bad image.

So they went with the warm and fuzzy, non-descriptive term to de-emphasize their basic nature; "fresh meat" must constantly be fed into the system at the lowest level; new recruits whose money collectively creates the pool of wealth the big fish at the top levels swim in. It's all about the hierarchy of levels, so let's go with the honest term "multilevel".

What people should remember about mlms, is they are closed systems that don't create money out of thin air; the more impressive the big payouts at the upper levels, the more money they need to be fed in at the lowest levels, which make those payouts possible with their "payins". The fact they try to obscure with fabulously complex payout systems designed to hypnotize recruits with dollar signs in their eyes, is that all the money that gets paid out came from the pockets of the winners' "downlines".

I agree that it is a proven business model. It is proven to be a very effective way of redistributing wealth from bottom to top; true "trickle up" economics. People at the bottom of these non-pyramids that work exactly like pyramids except there is a product involved, invariably end up with a lot of overpriced soap, vitamins, etc, and if they are action takers; pissed off friends and acquaintances that don't want to hear another pitch.

If the majority of those coming in were suddenly (impossibly) all finding success, the market would almost instantly become saturated. Look what would happen if the model actually worked on average, as well as it does in theory; here is how many times the program could be shared on the model of "everyone share it with 5 who then share with 5...", before every human alive was a member , as illustrated by carrying out the multiplication: 5*25*125*625*3,125*15,625*78,125*390,625*1,953,125 *9,765,625*48,828,125*244,140,625*1,220,703,125*6, 103,515,625). I counted 13 levels of sharing, before we arrive at pretty close to the Earth's population, and those who got in last (5 billion or so; maybe a level above that too) would lose money on it. It's mathematically impossible to sustain the model except by having losers who far outnumber winners funding it all monthly, and a constant stream of new losers coming on board every month.

(By "losers", I simply mean those that pay in far more than they will ever see in commissions. By paying out pathetic little commissions to the bottom levels, the company keeps the dream alive much the way casinos use noisy coin drops and tantalizing small wins to distract from the fact that the customers are there for a fleecing. It works well; I know a gambler that raved about her big win of $35k for months though she spent six figures of her boyfriend's money to do it)

Amway creates big incomes at the top by selling grossly overpriced products (back in the 70s, a bar of soap was about $4-5 bucks) that few people in the real world ever buy at retail. They get around the pyramid problem by having products, but because the logic is still based on money being shifted from bottom to top, the prices simply must be jacked up to fund the payouts; hence the reality; the bulk of the customers are distributors on level one.

In this case, what is the "product"? A blog? Were there no pyramid (that technically isn't one), there wouldn't be many takers for a $25 per month blog.

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Greg guitar

"Network Marketing" is the more respectable name for the far more accurately titled "multilevel marketing" programs ("mlms"). It is the same thing. Every business in the world relies on "networks" of associates and customers, and the term "network marketing" is as descriptive of them as it is mlms, but mlms wanted to polish their well deserved bad image.

So they went with the warm and fuzzy, non-descriptive term to de-emphasize their basic nature; "fresh meat" must constantly be fed into the system at the lowest level; new recruits whose money collectively creates the pool of wealth the big fish at the top levels swim in. It's all about the hierarchy of levels, so let's go with the honest term "multilevel".

What people should remember about mlms, is they are closed systems that don't create money out of thin air; the more impressive the big payouts at the upper levels, the more money they need to be fed in at the lowest levels, which make those payouts possible with their "payins". The fact they try to obscure with fabulously complex payout systems designed to hypnotize recruits with dollar signs in their eyes, is that all the money that gets paid out came from the pockets of the winners' "downlines".

I agree that it is a proven business model. It is proven to be a very effective way of redistributing wealth from bottom to top; true "trickle up" economics. People at the bottom of these non-pyramids that work exactly like pyramids except there is a product involved, invariably end up with a lot of overpriced soap, vitamins, etc, and if they are action takers; pissed off friends and acquaintances that don't want to hear another pitch.

If the majority of those coming in were suddenly (impossibly) all finding success, the market would almost instantly become saturated. Look what would happen if the model actually worked on average, as well as it does in theory; here is how many times the program could be shared on the model of "everyone share it with 5 who then share with 5...", before every human alive was a member , as illustrated by carrying out the multiplication: 5*25*125*625*3,125*15,625*78,125*390,625*1,953,125 *9,765,625*48,828,125*244,140,625*1,220,703,125*6, 103,515,625). I counted 13 levels of sharing, before we arrive at pretty close to the Earth's population, and those who got in last (5 billion or so; maybe a level above that too) would lose money on it. It's mathematically impossible to sustain the model except by having losers who far outnumber winners funding it all monthly, and a constant stream of new losers coming on board every month.

(By "losers", I simply mean those that pay in far more than they will ever see in commissions. By paying out pathetic little commissions to the bottom levels, the company keeps the dream alive much the way casinos use noisy coin drops and tantalizing small wins to distract from the fact that the customers are there for a fleecing. It works well; I know a gambler that raved about her big win of $35k for months though she spent six figures of her boyfriend's money to do it)

Amway creates big incomes at the top by selling grossly overpriced products (back in the 70s, a bar of soap was about $4-5 bucks) that few people in the real world ever buy at retail. They get around the pyramid problem by having products, but because the logic is still based on money being shifted from bottom to top, the prices simply must be jacked up to fund the payouts; hence the reality; the bulk of the customers are distributors on level one.

In this case, what is the "product"? A blog? Were there no pyramid (that technically isn't one), there wouldn't be many takers for a $25 per month blog.

I'm not as smart you but being this company is 100% commissions
wouldn't each product you buy just go to your sponsor and not feed
all the higher ups? I guess with the pass up sales that would be kinda
true but that's the leverage they built in.

A high authority blog is their first product with all the bells and whistles
but their main products are advanced marketing education courses correct?
Arguably the best on the net?

If this is true would it be better if they just acted like say Harvard University
and charged their students/customers and kept all the money themselves.
Even unemployed Harvard graduates most wouldn't feel bad they spent
6 figures on an advanced marketing education because of the "asset"
they hold in their brain.

Is it bad they open up their doors and let their students/customers resell
their advanced information courses and take in 100% profits therefore
creating some economy for people?

Sure not everybody that graduates Harvard with a marketing degree will be a stellar
marketer. And not everybody who takes in EN's advance training unfortunately
will not be able to resell EN's products very succesfully.

I see your point about these mlm money games with their overpriced
vitamins and dingo juice or whatever, but with specialized training/information
(if this indeed what they provide) will always, I presume, hold high
perceived value that can be charged at a premium. (Unlike the stupid vitamins lol)

Anyways I did enjoy your post sir.

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Greg guitar

12 years ago

Originally Posted by samrand

I'm not as smart you but being this company is 100% commissions
wouldn't each product you buy just go to your sponsor and not feed
all the higher ups? I guess with the pass up sales that would be kinda
true but that's the leverage they built in.

A high authority blog is their first product with all the bells and whistles
but their main products are advanced marketing education courses correct?
Arguably the best on the net?

If this is true would it be better if they just acted like say Harvard University
and charged their students/customers and kept all the money themselves.
Even unemployed Harvard graduates most wouldn't feel bad they spent
6 figures on an advanced marketing education because of the "asset"
they hold in their brain.

Is it bad they open up their doors and let their students/customers resell
their advanced information courses and take in 100% profits therefore
creating some economy for people?

Sure not everybody that graduates Harvard with a marketing degree will be a stellar
marketer. And not everybody who takes in EN's advance training unfortunately
will not be able to resell EN's products very succesfully.

I see your point about these mlm money games with their overpriced
vitamins and dingo juice or whatever, but with specialized training/information
(if this indeed what they provide) will always, I presume, hold high
perceived value that can be charged at a premium. (Unlike the stupid vitamins lol)

Anyways I did enjoy your post sir.

Cheers

Don't assume I'm smarter; I just have a working calculator.

I haven't dug into the details of their plan; maybe it's not a typical mlm, in that normally, there are overrides of some percentage a couple levels or more deep to motivate people to build "deep" organizations. Perhaps here the motivation is to recruit more people a couple levels down so your immediate downline keeps feeling motivated to pay in, so you keep getting their money every month.

Anyway, my basic point is that for every person who makes a living with the system, there have to be many others to provide the money that makes those incomes possible; no new wealth is created; it comes only from the pockets of other recruits. That is not what I call "creating an economy". Instead I'd call it "keep the fresh meat coming in so the gravy train doesn't come to a screeching halt."

Since it takes many times the money from one recruit to equal one good income, it follows that the only way for some to prosper is for many others to simply pay in, never making a dime back.

I doubt the value of these courses the company is letting recruits sell to other recruits, and keep all the money. It would be next to impossible to get an honest review, because the main point of the network is for recruits to make commissions selling to other recruits. What recruit is going to reduce the chances of doing that by publicly saying anything negative about the products?

I see no reason to think their courses are some of the best; the people defending them aren't saying much about the quality of the content, but rather about the chance to make money selling it to newer recruits. As in most mlms, the products are just an excuse to take money from new recruits' pockets, and put it into the pockets of people who got in earlier. Just my 2 cents.

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Greg guitar

Don't assume I'm smarter; I just have a working calculator.

I haven't dug into the details of their plan; maybe it's not a typical mlm, in that normally, there are overrides of some percentage a couple levels or more deep to motivate people to build "deep" organizations. Perhaps here the motivation is to recruit more people a couple levels down so your immediate downline keeps feeling motivated to pay in, so you keep getting their money every month.

Anyway, my basic point is that for every person who makes a living with the system, there have to be many others to provide the money that makes those incomes possible; no new wealth is created; it comes only from the pockets of other recruits. That is not what I call "creating an economy". Instead I'd call it "keep the fresh meat coming in so the gravy train doesn't come to a screeching halt."

Since it takes many times the money from one recruit to equal one good income, it follows that the only way for some to prosper is for many others to simply pay in, never making a dime back.

I doubt the value of these courses the company is letting recruits sell to other recruits, and keep all the money. It would be next to impossible to get an honest review, because the main point of the network is for recruits to make commissions selling to other recruits. What recruit is going to reduce the chances of doing that by publicly saying anything negative about the products?

I see no reason to think their courses are some of the best; the people defending them aren't saying much about the quality of the content, but rather about the chance to make money selling it to newer recruits. As in most mlms, the products are just an excuse to take money from new recruits' pockets, and put it into the pockets of people who got in earlier. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers

That's a good point and I addressed this earlier in posts on this thread.
They are very popular for a reason and I wouldn't be as shallow to say
it was just because of a 100% commission structure. I believe their movement
is getting stronger because of the value in their products.

Look I think overall some people will think they are selling their comp plan
but the truth I think is in reverse. People want to become affiliates because
what they are going to be reselling converts. Everybody wants to jump on
a hot/steady stock right? These guys made it to the top of their "pyramid" which
takes some brilliant salemanship and marketing because we all know in traditional
mlm's you have to recruit a small army to make $10,000 or more a month.

So if these guys figured out how to become top leaders in these MLM companies
where the success rate is terrible, and decide to come out with their own company
where they teach how they marketed to get to that top 1%, that knowledge is
extremely valuable because they are proven . Not some well funded schmuck
who decides to make a money game out of new skin cream on the market.

I'll say this... with so much BS in the internet marketing space... if you have
real high quality information products that people deem so, and you put out an affiliate system, obviously people will promote what sells right? In big numbers
presumably?

50,000 affiliates last time I checked. Either the products are good or they
have some good brainwashing going on over there.

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shazaman 12 years ago

I think a lot are jaded with network marketing, I am sure we have all tried our fair share, did not work. When seeing the guy, forgot his name, the creator, talking about it, I was really getting close to signing up, but all those failed network marketing memories raise up.
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jrgattison

12 years ago

The reality is that the majority of people are going to see Empower Network as not being a good opportunity. People are looking to get rich quick and are always looking for an excuse as to why something will not work. That is holding you back.

The truth is that Empower Network is affiliate marketing as if you were trying to sell a clickbank product. Same thing as far as that goes.

In addition instead of it paying a straight portion of the product sale, they pay 100% out. So the entry product is $25 monthly and it pays $25 commission monthly.

Where people get twisted and start labeling it as a ponzi scheme is that they have a MLM commission structure where there is a roll up of the commissions to a qualified associate. That kind of structure is not illegal and it is being used in other MLM opprtunities successfully.

The products are internet marketing training products which are not overpriced as people will lead you to believe. Information is free online, but specialized knowledge is not normally free. For example the $25 blogging product comes with a Wordpress blog and the system on how to market that blog. Training is ongoing and is kept up to date.

The higher priced items are for more advanced training.

So in summary you can succeed in Empower Network just like you can succeed in many things. Whether you choose to do what it takes is totally up to you. You can find that to be true on this forum right here, right now. The majority of people are not going to do what it takes to make it happen in their lives. A small percentage will. Will that be you?

The benefit of the Empower Network is that you have a community of people helping people and some encouragement along the way. That does help in your success. I have been online full time for over 10 years but the majority of it has been selling on ebay/amazon. I'm not new to affiliate marketing but am not completely where I want to be as far as affiliate marketing replacing my ebay income.

And to give you a little insight on what people don't normally tell you is that when I say I have made my living online with a full time income that also means that my wife hasn't worked in 10 years a job AND I have 3 kids.

So trust me when I say that the Empower Network is a legitimate opportunity just like many things on the forum here are but that it is you that will determine whether it works for you or not.

If anybody has any questions I am open to answering what I can and there is also a thread on this forum that is trying to solicit mentors to help people get started earning online.

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mssharmt 12 years ago

Hey Sam
Thank you for your honesty..
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talfighel

12 years ago

Some good reviews and some bad ones I see here.

In my 10 years of promoting online, I really think that they are in the TOP 5 business opportunities ever to exist online. Again, this is my own view.

If you really understand their compensation plan, it is a beautiful thing.

For some people it takes longer to see results and with any business online, there will be failure stories and people who just like to complain about it everywhere online.

Take a look at Amway. They are the biggest MLM company in the world with $$$BILLIONS generated each month and MILLIONS of people who are free. You will see many failure stories online from people who tried it and failed and talk about it as being a scam.

If you compare other network marketing programs and regular affiliate programs, Empower Network rises above them every time.

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cypherslock

12 years ago

As someone who recently got into Amway (so my wife and I could work on something TOGETHER), I can say two things:

1. The products really are excellent.
2. There's no pyramid scheme here, you don't get paid for recruiting at all.
3. Upline support is nothing short of amazing. They drive 2 + hours to see us to get us going.

Truth be told when it comes to MLM, you have to (a) find the right company and (b) realize that those who call everything a pyramid scheme are misunderstanding the term and can't even attempt to do what you do.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

You are right, this thread is about Empower Network and I followed your lead and allowed myself to be lead down the MLM track, following your example.

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Kev Tomlinson

12 years ago

Ah Josh, that's a good point but it's not my point.

How many people who buy weight loss DVDs lose $5k if they fail to lose weight. It is the massive consequences of failure in high ticket programs that matters here.

I already said several times that it is a given that most will fail, that’s not debatable, that’s a fact. When most fail in ‘normal’ MLM they lose relatively little but pride. When someone buys a weight loss DVDs they do not end up in massive debt (relative to the most common income profile of failed MLMers). When 90% of people fail in Empower and they do and will, a high percentage of them will have gone ‘All In’ for the reasons stated above. They are left with $5,000.00 of debt to pay off. For the vast majority of these people $5k of debt is a very large debt indeed.

I am pleased that you have made your own system but I will make a prediction… Actually that’s not fair on you, I have hard facts, stats and history to go by

90% of your recruits WILL fail. Your system will, if anything, help to recruit more people who think they may stand a better chance by signing in under a leader (thanks Mike Dillard

) but in reality it simply means that more people will be in debt under you when they fail.

This is NOT an attack you Josh, I’m simply trying to expand on my initial post… I’m not saying that Empower is wrong, I’m am not calling it immoral, I am not justifying traditional MLM, all I am saying is that it is hard enough watching 90% of people fail in traditional MLM where they have little or no debt to subsequently face. I personally couldn’t live with myself knowing that I was drawing people into certain life changing debt and for the vast majority of people who joined me that’s exactly what I would be doing with Empower Network.

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kev Tomlinson

Ah Josh, that's a good point but it's not my point.

How many people who buy weight loss DVDs lose $5k if they fail to lose weight. It is the massive consequences of failure in high ticket programs that matters here.

I already said several times that it is a given that most will fail, that’s not debatable, that’s a fact. When most fail in ‘normal’ MLM they lose relatively little but pride. When someone buys a weight loss DVDs they do not end up in massive debt (relative to the most common income profile of failed MLMers). When 90% of people fail in Empower and they do and will, a high percentage of them will have gone ‘All In’ for the reasons stated above. They are left with $5,000.00 of debt to pay off. For the vast majority of these people $5k of debt is a very large debt indeed.

I am pleased that you have made your own system but I will make a prediction… Actually that’s not fair on you, I have hard facts, stats and history to go by

90% of your recruits WILL fail. Your system will, if anything, help to recruit more people who think they may stand a better chance by signing in under a leader (thanks Mike Dillard

) but in reality it simply means that more people will be in debt under you when they fail.

This is NOT an attack you Josh, I’m simply trying to expand on my initial post… I’m not saying that Empower is wrong, I’m am not calling it immoral, I am not justifying traditional MLM, all I am saying is that it is hard enough watching 90% of people fail in traditional MLM where they have little or no debt to subsequently face. I personally couldn’t live with myself knowing that I was drawing people into certain life changing debt and for the vast majority of people who joined me that’s exactly what I would be doing with Empower Network.

I understand what your saying

But, you do throw the word debt around, quite a lot. If they had the $5k to start off with, it's not debt, it's a loss. Only those who don't have $5k will be in end up in debt, but IMO it's their own fault.

If I couldn't afford to go all in, I wouldn't. Why would I knowingly put myself into debt, knowing full well there is a high change I may NEVER see any return.

But in response to what you said about 90% of people failing, and leaving with their pride, I see it differently.

If I've invested $5,000 of my hard earned cash, I'm going to stick it out and do EVERYTHING in my power to make sure I at least recover my investment, and I believe this is the reason they price their products so high. It's perceived value.

Like you said, if you join a MLM program lets say for $20 then quit after a month, you haven't really lost anything..Thus with the price being so low, people have the "I can't be bothered" attitude.

Flip the script and price something a lot higher, I understand people will STILL quit, but given their investment I think they people who quit, will give it longer than a month..And less people will go in with the "I can't be bothered" attitude.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to say here, I didn't realize how hard this would be to type, when I can say all of the above in around two sentences

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Kev Tomlinson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Monroe

But, you do throw the word debt around, quite a lot. If they had the $5k to start off with, it's not debt, it's a loss. Only those who don't have $5k will be in end up in debt, but IMO it's their own fault.

I'm sorry, I may be playing with a stacked deck here. Please go and check out you country's industry stats (thay are all basically the same story). As I said above, MOST people who join any part of 'our' indusrty do so because they need the money and don't have $5k of liquid assets to invest. MOST people who buy into high ticked programs put the cost on credit cards. The 'only' that you refer to in your 'only those who don't have...etc' account for most who join.

If I couldn't afford to go all in, I wouldn't. Why would I knowingly put myself into debt, knowing full well there is a high change I may NEVER see any return.

as you said above Josh, your story cirtainy implies that you are in the 10% therefore you are not in the majority and what you would personally do is a mute point

If I've invested $5,000 of my hard earned cash, I'm going to stick it out and do EVERYTHING in my power to make sure I at least recover my investment, and I believe this is the reason they price their products so high. It's perceived value.

Once again, see my previous reply

Like you said, if you join a MLM program lets say for $20 then quit after a month, you haven't really lost anything..Thus with the price being so low, people have the "I can't be bothered" attitude.

Your point is an assumption not supported by evidence because the evidence shows a similar falure rate at all ticket levels(as I pointed to in my original post). It must be said however that many successful comapnies have products mainly based in that price range...including the biggest MLM on the planet...see Avon [/quote]

Flip the script and price something a lot higher, I understand people will STILL quit, but given their investment I think they people who quit, will give it longer than a month..And less people will go in with the "I can't be bothered" attitude.

Again your point is simply not supported by fact. 90% of people quit hight ticket companies as well as low ticket companies and the time they take to quit is irelevant... They fail, period.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to say here, I didn't realize how hard this would be to type, when I can say all of the above in around two sentences

Actually, I'm enjoying debating with you. Thanks for being both civil and honest

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Salesmanship In Print

12 years ago

To join Empower is to declare to the world "I don't give a s#*t what happens to the people I drag into this, as long as I make a profit!" An analogy would be a tightrope walker who invites a crowd to follow him across Niagara Falls, so they can have a share of the pot of gold on the other side. But only if they are 'all in!' and have paid out enough cash to 'earn' a share (with all proceeds going to the tightrope walker ahead of them).

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Kev Tomlinson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print

To join Empower is to declare to the world "I don't give a s#*t what happens to the people I drag into this, as long as I make a profit!" An analogy would be a tightrope walker who invites a crowd to follow him across Niagara Falls, so they can have a share of the pot of gold on the other side. But only if they are 'all in!' and have paid out enough cash to 'earn' a share (with all proceeds going to the tightrope walker ahead of them).

One of the weird things about all this is that no matter how clearly it is spelled out, no matter what metaphor or simile is used, very few will see the truth in what you wrote Salesmanship In Print. They will regurgitate all the old MLM clichés that have been imprinted on them, blind to the fact that no matter what system is used, what magic beans are eaten, what wonderful training is available in the system (or not

) , the truth that Dave Wood's poo does not smell of cookies and cream and that it does not matter how much 'effort' someone puts into 'it'... the FACT is that over 90% of people fail... period.

When a heck of a lot of those people find themselves with $5,000.00 to pay off on their credit cards and not much income to pay it, it stops being a mental exercise and becomes a very real issue indeed. I guess that there are none as blind as those that will not see.

'...To join Empower is to declare to the world "I don't give a s#*t what happens to the people I drag into this..." ' <---- that is just perfect!!!

But enough from me, what I wanted to say I have said in the posts above, so good luck and best wishes to all at Empower

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adamj2

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kev Tomlinson

One of the weird things about all this is that no matter how clearly it is spelled out, no matter what metaphor or simile is used, very few will see the truth in what you wrote Salesmanship In Print. They will regurgitate all the old MLM clichés that have been imprinted on them, blind to the fact that no matter what system is used, what magic beans are eaten, what wonderful training is available in the system (or not

) , the truth that Dave Wood's poo does not smell of cookies and cream and that it does not matter how much 'effort' someone puts into 'it'... the FACT is that over 90% of people fail... period.

When a heck of a lot of those people find themselves with $5,000.00 to pay off on their credit cards and not much income to pay it, it stops being a mental exercise and becomes a very real issue indeed. I guess that there are none as blind as those that will not see.

'...To join Empower is to declare to the world "I don't give a s#*t what happens to the people I drag into this..." ' <---- that is just perfect!!!

But enough from me, what I wanted to say I have said in the posts above, so good luck and best wishes to all at Empower

You could say that about any internet marketing product that most people fail.

If you say 90% of people fail at Empower Network (depends what you class as failure) then that is probably a whole lot better than the 99% of people who will fail at internet marketing in general.

I was failing at internet marketing when I joined Empower Network. Scrambling around about at $600 to $1,000 a month.

And I just had a $5K month with EN and looking to take things to the next level now.

And others are experiencing the same thing.

Most people will fail because they treat it as a get rich quick scheme.

The people who treat it is a real business have a great chance of success.

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successproducts 12 years ago

I would say this -- although money is nice to make and after watching the video from Empower Network I can see why people make money. Because the video really converts especially for newbies.

Here is the beauty of that program .. no matter what you do Empower Network makes money on you and your friends and your families - Because every time you make 25 bucks they make 50. It's a wonderful scheme FORE SURE.
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Kev Tomlinson

12 years ago

OK, I did say I was calling it a day but I find it hard to believe that people try to counter my points with their own points that do nothing except clearly demonstrate that they have not read the previous posts before replying and therefore they make points that either have already been dealt with or that are completely separate from and nothing to do with the debate at hand.

Originally Posted by adamj2

You could say that about any internet marketing product that most people fail.

If you say 90% of people fail at Empower Network (depends what you class as failure) then that is probably a whole lot better than the 99% of people who will fail at internet marketing in general.

With the greatest of respect (& I mean that) I did clearly say that I did include ALL business start ups in that figure, that is not the point at all. If you are going to come back on a post in ANY forum, it might be a good idea to read the thread or at the very least, the previous posts by the person that you are replying to. However, to address the first part, my definition of failure is ALSO listed clearly above in a previous post. To the second part. You pose a logical fallacy in the form of a straw man (99%) , then you knock you own point down.... 99% of people do not fail at internet marketing in general, so this is a completely mute point.

I was failing at internet marketing when I joined Empower Network. Scrambling around about at $600 to $1,000 a month.

And I just had a $5K month with EN and looking to take things to the next level now.

And others are experiencing the same thing.

Your own success is irrelevant to the fact that 90%+ fail and a large proportion of those will be $5K in debt. As I said, please read the previous posts..

Most people will fail because they treat it as a get rich quick scheme.

This is assumption on your part and should not be stated as a fact. However, the reason for failure is not under question, simply the fact that if you do find success in empower's business model, you are funding it in the main with money from the pockets of people who can't afford it (again, please read the thread above). That is not an assumption, that is simply quoting a fact. I am not condemning not judging, simply pointing this out.

The people who treat it is a real business have a great chance of success.

Again, little or no real academic research has been done on this. Until it is, the reasons for failure or success are open to debate but none can claim to definitively know... but as I said, that is a separate point and irrelevant to the smimple thrust of the debate and the facts pointed out above.

So far all I have seen in counter debate is purley assumptive statements either towing the company line or just missing the point completely (although perhaps that's on purpose?

). Anyway, great debate however you look at it. Thanks guys :-D

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shifty2112

12 years ago

Nice thread here, I recently joined myself and honestly have not joined the inner circle and just sticking with the $25 a month. But after much reading, studying and etc... I am really leaning towards trying to just go with CPC, Clickbank or something on my personal blog. I am not finding the value in the $25 a month blogging system when I am able to setup my own blog for much cheaper. I am working hard at promoting and have not gotten any signups yet. The biggest problem I am having is the $25 a month system does not give you much training, just the capture pages and website. Everything else I am learning on my own. If I get a one client to pay for my $25 a month, I will stick with it, but I will be waiting until I hit $100 a month in clients before I jump to the inner-circle. I guess I am not all-in

But I would tell anyone in my downline the same thing, build your business in steps, not be forced all-in. I tend to disagree with some of the statements about going in debt, look at people who have spent a ton of money on college and still do not have a job being out of college? I have spent $2500 in tech training at some points in my life. I looked at it as an education fee. The Empower Network has those products that are a one time cost, I don't know how great they are because I have not gotten them and I am not willing to pay that much until I actually see maybe some of the training on what it is like. If it teaches me about a lot more about the field and I can use that in other areas of my life, another business, I am willing to pay for it.

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Mo Jogee

12 years ago

I know a member of the empowered network and he tried to convince me to join EN. I was told if I sold an x amount a month I could potentially make $10,000 per month which really got my attention. If I wasn't being a coached client of Lee McIntyre's then I would probably considered it. The only thing that puts me off about EN is that there will be thousands of people with similar type blogs and that is a complete turn off for me and for starters just blog marketing wasn't the kind of business model that am after. I think for people who are interested in just blog marketing then EN could be good for them but if you are looking for a different model then it might not be the golden nugget you're looking for! Just my 2 cents

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Tyler S

12 years ago

Like everything else here, it works if you put the effort into it.

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samrand

12 years ago

I'm not in Empower but I do like the fact that you can't sell what you don't
own. I also like the fact that the company founders let you sell their products
and receive full commissions on them . I also like the leverage built in the comp plan
obviously similar to an mlm.
Now "Salesmen in Print" is right in that you can put anything out for a product and then
slap a price tag on it to make it legal....but truth is I don't here much complaints
about their products. Especially the high priced ones. I've not heard 1 person
ever bash the 15k formula ($1,000 product). Heard nothing but great feedback.

Now some will say well you've only heard that from people trying to promote it.
I disagree. I think most of us have known or heard about a high ticket product
and if it sucks, people will complain about getting shafted. No such complaints
that I have seen about that particular Empower product yet which is pretty amazing
considering Empowers exposure. The people that complained about EN after
they bought the products is always that they didn't sign anybody up. Boo hoo.
Some people quit after 25 optins! lol

Now if I ever get in Empower and get all in, and somebody else gets all in under me
and I make $5,000 from them but they quit before they earn, will I feel bad? Yes
I will feel bad that my residual is gone! I won't feel bad they lost $5,000 grand.

David Wood explains that this is direct sales. Heck I've actually been in REAL sales
face to face and if you don't sell you don't eat. This program from what I see is that they
already do all the freakin selling for you. Your job is to get people to watch a video!
Thats why in the videos David W. and David S. do encourage people to get 'all in'. They are
the CEO's and the affiliates are the shareholders. They want to make their affiliates money
and they have the PROVEN formula that if you are bought up to the 15k formula and you
do 2 $25 sales a day for 12 weeks you will be making $30k monthly. They have been around now over a year and those are the proven metrics for those of you who like the facts. Bottomline they are making it clear that if you are using EN as an income vehicle its in
your better interest to get all in.

If your goal after you drop $5,000 is to not try to get at least 100 people a day to see
a video and then quit after 30 days because you didn't achieve it then that's on you.

The 97% failure ratio unfortunately might always be true because quite frankly
most people need a job to be told what do. This will always be like buying lotto
tickets for a vast majority. Good news is that this industry has now replaced
Real Estate as the industry booming the most new millionaires every year.

One last thing about people taking the "risk" of going in debt $5,000 when getting
all in with EN. I know EN has this in their system where if somebody signs up
under you, and they buy a product you don't own, then EN's email system notifies
you that you lost a commission. Brilliant.

I would suggest if you are listening to the fella a few posts up from me saying that its
a huge risk for these type of programs, I would do this:
Sign up free and get your capture page. Drive traffic. If you get a $25 sale
(which you will lose because you don't own the product) upgrade and buy the blog
and the $19.99 fee. I would then lose a commission on every level to justify that you upgrade
and that you know its possible to make those commissions.

That was actually another warriors original thought which I think makes perfect sense for
all the skeptics who are about to join.

P.S. I've seen some people on this thread talking a little slick about EN
but putting their names behind some JUNK info products in the good ol
WSO section. Happy Holidays!

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Mike Linley

12 years ago

I just signed up just to see what it's all about since it says you get lots of good marketing material and for 25 bucks that is nothing to spend to check it out and see if I can learn something and maybe even get a few referrals or who knows maybe blog my current business income out of the water and finally break free and debt free and wealth! I will try to remember to come and post my results but who knows if I get too busy and forget to come back!

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samrand

12 years ago

@davidbatchelor You know what I think I got what you're saying maybe lol.
When I was talking about the 1% conversion rule for big ticket vs small ticket being
virtually the same per amount of visitors I was making the point for initial point
of purchase. No funnel, just this program is $1,000 and this one is $25. I know this
thread is about EN but there is no way to get a 1% conversion rate on EN's
$1,000 product because of all the upgrades. Not on your first 100 optins unless you get
lucky or have a pretty motivated list to begin with.

I suppose if EN just sold their 15k formula straight up with no residuals and no other
products one would see that 1% conversion or more based on the 2 Davids salesmanship
and value they apparently bring.

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monaya 12 years ago

Great conversation guys. I have 2 questions:

1. How does empower network make money if you get 100% commission on everything you refer?

2. Do they have high converting banners you can put on your site?
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samrand

12 years ago

Another thing I want mention is that although I'm not a member
of EN, I have to congratulate EN for saturating the market.
That's no small feat. Solo ad vendors won't take promotions anymore.
I've literally seen a dozen funnels built around EN's funnel. Could this
hit critical mass? I don't know but saturated may not be the appropriate term
seeing that 1,000's of new people a day are looking online for income opportunities.

Hate them or love them they seem to be growing
stronger and for those of you who think they're gonna go down like
Zeek, I wouldn't hold my breath. They seem to have their ducks in order
and pretty transparent. But hey I could be wrong.

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tcallfitness

12 years ago

I have purchased some fitness products over the years (i.e., ebooks, audio, video, etc.). If you have purchased a Fat Loss ebook for $27, or $47, then you should already know about upselling.

FULL DISCLOSURE: I am already a member of Empower Network.

So, when you enter your name and email in the landing page because you are interested in how to exercise less, but lose more fat, you are immediately exposed to the upsell. Buy this fat loss book for $27, but when you upgrade and get the DVD set for just $47, the upgrade will give even more arsenal to lose weight. THIS IS STANDARD MARKETING, FOLKS.

Buy in at $25 and you will watch a video on the next page that tells you about the next upsell to the Inner Circle for $100 a month. Then after that there is another upsell to buy the Costa Rica Intensive, or the 15K Formula. This is marketing at its finest - UPSELLING!

If you don't understand that, then don't join; you'll regret it. You'll be doing what the NAYSAYERS ARE SQUACKING - giving money to the people who know what they are doing.

But, if you want to learn the tricks of the trade (syndication, backlinking, SEO, article sharing, document sharing, video sharing, guest writing, THERE'S TOO MANY TO WRITE!) and find out what the top IMers are doing outside of the EN blogsite, then join because the EDUCATION is eye opening.

When you go to college, are you buying a product? NO! You are buying time to spend reading a book, go through work problems, ask questions from the TA or teacher, and listen to the instructor regurgitate information so you might learn a new skill.

EMPOWER NETWORK SELLS EDUCATION - INTERNET MARKETING EDUCATION. I have a marketing company and I need to stay informed on what is going on in the market place. I have to pay for education. Empower Network has EXCELLENT EDUCATION programs for internet marketers and I CAN DEDUCT THIS ON MY TAXES AS A BUSINESS EXPENSE.

How do I know, BECAUSE I'M A CPA AND I GIVE THIS ADVICE TO MY CLIENTS ALL THE TIME.

So, if you don't like MLMs, don't join. But, if you have to buy EDUCATION for your business, Empower Network has a great platform.

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MaxTheMarketer

12 years ago

The friend of mine who introduced me to IM several years ago just made his $1000 sale or of it is was $3500 or what it was, I don't remember.

I am really happy for him making that such sale but I still do not like the idea of selling this kind of product.

However, I use their blog to get traffic to my blog posts that are about IM and then link to my main website instead!

That is actually something useful and ethical if you ask me; to use their PR to link to your website! ^^,

Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend, Fellow Warrior(s)! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer

The friend of mine who introduced me to IM several years ago just made his $1000 sale or of it is was $3500 or what it was, I don't remember.

I am really happy for him making that such sale but I still do not like the idea of selling this kind of product.

However, I use their blog to get traffic to my blog posts that are about IM and then link to my main website instead!

That is actually something useful and ethical if you ask me; to use their PR to link to your website! ^^,

Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend, Fellow Warrior(s)! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

Max, that's great to hear. You would be considered a "retail customer" a person using the system and NOT participating in the actual affiliate program. Thanks for heads up.

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samrand

12 years ago

Sorry one last question. What do you mean by no new wealth is created?
With their affiliate system? Because they are selling information online
with no tangible product?

Do college campuses generate money out of thin air? Oh yes. Charging for parking,
textbooks, security, professors, janitors, the whole school faculty.. Who funds
all that? The people getting educated their right?

Maybe I'm wrong but they are using their students/customers to fund their outfit right?
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Nate A

12 years ago

This has been an interesting and frustrating thread....

I am not a member of EN, nor will I ever be for 2 reasons:

1. MLM is an inefficient business model, and here's why: If what you are selling truly is a valuable product, why would you waste time trying to build your "downline" rather than simply selling it directly to the consumer?

2. Like many mentioned before, MLM is NOT about the product, rather it is about the dream.

Let me explain, before anyone jumps down my throat and touts their success with EN. If you have, that's great, and you probably would have success in any venture because you are an "action taker" (I hate that term, but it gets the point across quickly).

I had an experience with @Mway a few years ago, and I have seen how other MLMs practice the same tactics. I was invited to a "networking" event that was an amway recruiting event in disguise. They never once mentioned exactly what it was you would be doing, I had to out and out ask someone, "what the heck are they talking about?"

The whole pitch was "you can get freedom for (insert hot-button/pain point here). You join the company and "start your own business" but the only way to succeed is if you buy the business building materials, otherwise you'll fail.

Everyone hangs on the nuts of the double-ruby encrusted diamond or whatever. The used a lot of cult-indoctrination tactics (complete obedience to the leader), LGAT (you gotta have the mindset, don't you want to build a business, you're leaving money on the table, etc.) and good ol' fashioned hardcore sales tactics. I had to tell them to leave me alone after a while.

If you want to do it, do it. Get after it, and hopefully you achieve success. IMHO, MLM is a zero-sum game, where the people at the top rest upon the shoulders of those at the bottom. And for those who do succeed, it seems like stepping over mountains of money to pick up pennies.

My final thought, and this isn't just mlm, but with the guru game as well. Their is always an incredibly high failure rate at the bottom rungs, but we seldom hear about it, namely because the psychological tactics used to sell the dream also convince those that fail that it's their fault for not doing it right, or havng the right mindset, etc.

I try to view everything through the eyes of a skeptic, and choose carefully when to suspend disbelief.

If anything, I'll swipe some some copy for my own file, but I'll build my own business, not someone else's.

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Nate A

This has been an interesting and frustrating thread....

I am not a member of EN, nor will I ever be for 2 reasons:

1. MLM is an inefficient business model, and here's why: If what you are selling truly is a valuable product, why would you waste time trying to build your "downline" rather than simply selling it directly to the consumer?

2. Like many mentioned before, MLM is NOT about the product, rather it is about the dream.

Let me explain, before anyone jumps down my throat and touts their success with EN. If you have, that's great, and you probably would have success in any venture because you are an "action taker" (I hate that term, but it gets the point across quickly).

I had an experience with @Mway a few years ago, and I have seen how other MLMs practice the same tactics. I was invited to a "networking" event that was an amway recruiting event in disguise. They never once mentioned exactly what it was you would be doing, I had to out and out ask someone, "what the heck are they talking about?"

The whole pitch was "you can get freedom for (insert hot-button/pain point here). You join the company and "start your own business" but the only way to succeed is if you buy the business building materials, otherwise you'll fail.

Everyone hangs on the nuts of the double-ruby encrusted diamond or whatever. The used a lot of cult-indoctrination tactics (complete obedience to the leader), LGAT (you gotta have the mindset, don't you want to build a business, you're leaving money on the table, etc.) and good ol' fashioned hardcore sales tactics. I had to tell them to leave me alone after a while.

If you want to do it, do it. Get after it, and hopefully you achieve success. IMHO, MLM is a zero-sum game, where the people at the top rest upon the shoulders of those at the bottom. And for those who do succeed, it seems like stepping over mountains of money to pick up pennies.

My final thought, and this isn't just mlm, but with the guru game as well. Their is always an incredibly high failure rate at the bottom rungs, but we seldom hear about it, namely because the psychological tactics used to sell the dream also convince those that fail that it's their fault for not doing it right, or havng the right mindset, etc.

I try to view everything through the eyes of a skeptic, and choose carefully when to suspend disbelief.

If anything, I'll swipe some some copy for my own file, but I'll build my own business, not someone else's.

This is where people get confused. Empower Network isn't about promoting Empower to other people.

They provide you with training to build your own business. The 15k formula is great at this, shows you how to SELL, get traffic, build niche/affiliate blogs and so on.

This is building you own business.

HOWEVER

Many people like the idea of promoting EN because of the 100% commissions and the comp plan, and that's why the majority of the users simply promote Empower and nothing else.

I'm actually using the "viral blogging system" to promote Amazon products. The blog ranks extremely well with just on page SEO alone, then five minutes spent doing SEO and you can be on the first page within 48 hours tops (low competition).

I don't care what anyone says, some of the training inside the members area is top notch. Yes, most of the 'good stuff' is in the $15k formula BUT in my opinion the $1,000 you spend (or invest as it should be called) to get it is worth it as you can easily get that back building 'your own business'.

Also, before I forget, every lead you generate you keep. If that isn't building your own business, I don't know what is.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Nate A

This has been an interesting and frustrating thread....

I am not a member of EN, nor will I ever be for 2 reasons:

1. MLM is an inefficient business model, and here's why: If what you are selling truly is a valuable product, why would you waste time trying to build your "downline" rather than simply selling it directly to the consumer?

2. Like many mentioned before, MLM is NOT about the product, rather it is about the dream.

If a surgeon decides to quit operating, the money stops.

If a dishwasher decides not to wash dishes, the money stops.

If an attorney decides to stop suing people, the money stops.

If an IRS agent decides to stop auditing people, the money stops.

In almost every profession, when the person stops working, the money stops. But not network marketing or Empower Network!

In EN and network marketing, it's different. In the beginning, you do a lot of groundwork and foundation building, and you don't make a lot of money. If you were being paid hourly, you could complain that you were underpaid or getting less than minimum wage.

However, most network marketing leaders look at this building period as a learning period. It's like going to school. But, instead of paying tuition, you can earn some money while you learn.

Once you complete the groundwork and foundation, the money formula changes drastically. Now, you are getting paid bonuses every month, even if you don't work hard or when you take a vacation.

So, in the beginning you do a lot of work that you don't get paid for, but in the end you get a lot of pay for when you don't work.

That's why professionals want to get into network marketing and EN. They like the residual income and the financial security it brings.

On a sad note, there are some individuals who get into network marketing and/or Empower Network and build a foundation. But because they didn't feel they earned enough money during this learning and building stage of their career, they quit.

Yes, they quit just before they go into the collecting stage of their careers. I guess the rewards go to people with persistence and vision.

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Nate A

12 years ago

Originally Posted by davidbatchelor

If a surgeon decides to quit operating, the money stops.

If a dishwasher decides not to wash dishes, the money stops.

If an attorney decides to stop suing people, the money stops.

If an IRS agent decides to stop auditing people, the money stops.

In almost every profession, when the person stops working, the money stops. But not network marketing or Empower Network!

The examples you state here are completely irrelevant to my remarks.

Your examples are that of trading hours or services for dollars, or an employee punching in on a clock and doing work.

I referred to building a real business. And yes, I agree, you can build a real "business" with MLM. But because you did your work to set a foundation and grow your downline, does not really allow one to rest on his laurels and collect easy passive monies.

MLM business takes, WORK, a damn lot of it if you want to succeed. You have to stay on top of your downline big time. Because if they don't perform, you get nothing.

A real business involves a lot of work too, but a real business involves making systems, training and motivating people, and actually having something of value that is percieved as being more valuable than an equivalent sum of money.

I own a real business, and there was a time where if I didn't show up to work, I didn't get paid, or my members would cancel. But by putting the work in, I know when I'm going to get paid. I can take a vacation if I want and I know whats going to happen.

And my money isn't going anywhere else, well, except for the tax man..

Thanks for your comments, I always appreciate a good spirited discussion.

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shifty2112 12 years ago

I ran a photography business for 8 years. I spent thousands of dollars on studio rent, equipment, marketing material and countless hours trying to get business. Things were good for a while, but things started to fall apart, the real estate market crashed, lost about 75% of my business, I did a lot of realtor headshots. This left me with a tremendous amount of debt to pay off. What does this have to do with EN? Well, the business is $125 a month to run if your in the inner-circle, another $1500 to get all the material I believe (one time cost). That is less than 2 months of rent I paid. It cost me $250 a month for electricity! $100 a month for insurance, etc... The cost of doing business was huge!!! If I can learn to do a business online, how to monetize my blog and make over the course of next year more than $125 a month, plus the $1500, I will actually be more successful than I was running a photography studio and it cost me less. The investment is actually pretty darn cheap! I do Body by Vi also and love the product. Been using it for months. I got in becuase I loved the product, not because I wanted to make a ton of cash. I have made my $450 investment back and making about $100 a month plus product free. So, Im good with it. I have not taken the plunge to spend the money on the EN products yet because I just do not have it. Once I do, I probably will.
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nealhart

12 years ago

I'm not a member and have no axe to grind but I have only heard good things about empower. Just my 2c

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Patrick Batty

12 years ago

I wont take a lot of time to debate all the issues I see.. however I will say. I'm in EN, I'm thriving in EN. Have made more money quicker in EN than I have in my other IM oriented endeavors. I've build up a good sized team, and now even have my own team training site, and am even doing one on one coaching with my team to get them ramped up quickly.

I'm not trying to turn this into a commercial for EN.

It's pretty pointless to try to convince people anyway.

I don't waste my time on that.

I know a lot of people are sceptics.. thats cool.. I get it.

But I just wanted to chime in and give credit to EN. It's really working for me.. and I'm no genius. With a little effort on anyones part and a good mentor to guide you.. it can work for you too.

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Tonster

12 years ago

It seems the message is clear. There are those who think the Empower Network is a good and ethical moneyspinner while others view it as just north of legal. Whatever your viewpoint it seems it isn't going to change because of anything posted here.

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12 years ago

Can someone post their results with EN? Is it worth time and effort to promote? When posting your stats, please post how many hours you spent to get those results.

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jlcs

12 years ago

Sounds like very easy to make money. I haven't try it out yet.
If for newbies, estimate time to make the first hundred dollar would be how long to take it?

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twoguysyoushouldknow

12 years ago

OK so we signed up for Empower Network a few weeks ago to see what the hype was all about, turns out the guy without the shirt on knows what he is talking about. If you spend money on this system you can and will make money, we are currently doing different paid and non paid advertising for it and blogging daily, in just a few short weeks we have started to see some results, I will be happy to post more results as we see more of it.

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jasondinner

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Salesmanship In Print

There is no 'product' with Empower, other than 'the dream' of getting rich quick, at any cost. They rely totally upon the unbridled enthusiasm of those who are 'desperate to get rich,' and upon the lock-step conformity of their newly formed devotees.

So you got in and went through the funnel? How do you know there is no 'product'?

Just curious on how you came to this conclusion

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Lloyd Veritas

12 years ago

Not sure about pyramid scheme, but you probably do have to get in early for it to really work for you as most might hope. I tend to look for companies with profit share. Doesn't matter so much when you come in.

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eladwin1

12 years ago

I know this genius affiliate program, empowernetwork, anyone who wants to start writing blog so empowernetwork provides professional blog cheap price!

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3dhotshot

12 years ago

Hi There, I may be a Total Newbie but It's common sense for people to actually research a company before getting involved with it especially if you are paying a large amount to be all in ! I mean really people come one. I personally have not been with empower but one of my partners has been with them over the past 3 months and did not have a good experience.

Delayed payments and problems with the merchant accounts and so on ! You really need to look at the finer details and pay attention before you go out and spend your hard earned cash. and who in their right mind wants to pay an extra fee to be able to get their commissions

Again there are people that are having success furthermore there are better more dynamic companies out there who are more invested in the persons success who are truly in the game to help people.

An example of this would be a company that takes care of the merchant accounts - pays you direct to your bank account weekly. Done for you marketing systems including automated presentations, capture pages and a cutting edge sales funnel. All you need do is drive traffic to the offer and build a few connections. Above all a simple and powerful system that can be explained to a person in under a minute !

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by 3dhotshot

Hi There, I may be a Total Newbie but It's common sense for people to actually research a company before getting involved with it especially if you are paying a large amount to be all in ! I mean really people come one. I personally have not been with empower but one of my partners has been with them over the past 3 months and did not have a good experience.

Delayed payments and problems with the merchant accounts and so on ! You really need to look at the finer details and pay attention before you go out and spend your hard earned cash. and who in their right mind wants to pay an extra fee to be able to get their commissions

Again there are people that are having success furthermore there are better more dynamic companies out there who are more invested in the persons success who are truly in the game to help people.

An example of this would be a company that takes care of the merchant accounts - pays you direct to your bank account weekly. Done for you marketing systems including automated presentations, capture pages and a cutting edge sales funnel. All you need do is drive traffic to the offer and build a few connections. Above all a simple and powerful system that can be explained to a person in under a minute !

All the best for 2013 !

I have never had an issue with delayed payments. Are you sure your friend is telling you the complete truth regarding this and had things set up correctly?

Empower Network has done for you marketing systems including automated presentations, capture pages and a cutting edge sales funnel.

The hard part for many people is driving traffic, hence I show people how to do that simply and effectively and offer them an alternative option.

Which is to Hire PROFESSIONALS to build their Network Marketing Business for them.

Who Professionally & Systematically BUILDS the Qualified:
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Ladyinbiz

12 years ago

I have been an internet marketer for 7yrs. now and can't say enough about Empower Network. It is a great system that you can use to promote any business, or become an affiliate. I have learned more in 2 months than all my 7yrs. True, you do have to do some work, but they make it easy and fun. I love EN!

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Banned 12 years ago

Breaking News:Empower Network Results!
*Ive been in for 2 months.
*I have the $25 blog and the $100 inner circle
*I have about 50 quality blogs on my site
*I took the advice of my sponsor and got a $397 package with cpcbroker.com to get mega leads
*I listened to a inner circle training about a guy that made major dough with Empower Network doing text messages.
*I decided to spend $135 leads to do my own text messages with an iPhone app
*My results are AMAZING!
*I got a whopping 80 leads total from the cpcbroker.com, text messaging, and the $25 dollar blogging product
*Drum Roll Please Before I reveal my Grand Total Made!!!!
*On the front end I made $0.00 ($25 blogging product)
*But on the back end I made $0.00 (inner circle and all other upsells)
I will be putting and end to this mess ASAP. I put serious elbow grease into this thing. I used the 100 auto responder messages and even created some testimonial videos that others in the Empower network that supposedly made good money. Another person posted on here that they weren't able to make any money at all with the $25 dollar product. I immediately found that to be true after I had already gotten in. So I decided to do some of the other marketing tactics recommended by my sponsor who happens to be one of the top earners in Empower Network. They recommended to use a auto blogging software which come to find out they aren't even using. After further research the sponsor had an already established IM following due to previous success with another company. Long story short people. I would stay as far away as possible from this thing. You may and I stress may make money but only after you spend a grip on marketing. One more thing. Notice how everyone talking about how good it is hasn't said anything about how much money they made or if they did make some its barely anything probably to what they invested. Hopefully this is the last post in this thread if you catch my drift.

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WAL08

12 years ago

Disclaimer: I am not in EM.

My background is in internet marketing, and ebay. I've had much more success on ebay then I have on internet marketing.

About a year ago I heard about this EM "thing" and just thought it was one of those fly by night trash programs that pop up. Sometime recently I saw a friend of mine post something on facebook about it, and I thought.. really? lol

But then I did a little digging and I remember back in 2003 a MLMr name Tony Rush whom I used to follow, as I was into MLM back in 2003-2005, joined the company. That led me to look at it again.

What I see is a chance for savvy internet marketers, put to use their skills they learn on the warrior forum and actually make residual income.

I'm actually surprised at all of the negativity on this forum, yet these same people who are so negative drop their hard earned money on all these crappy WSO's that come out hourly these days.

I guess it's easier to buy a $5 dream with 10 OTO's that you know won't work... then it is to by a $25 system with a $100/$500 oto that has the feel of a MLM... but in reality it's a better system which has of helping you earn money the that crappy WSO.

Am I missing something?

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leoenoch

12 years ago

Well, Just my 2 cents of worth, I joined empower network and after watching the videos, I decided to quit it, I hate being called a woosie everytime so that they can take $1500 out of my pocket. They are just playing with your ego.

I would rather use that $1,500 to buy Solo Ads or other media buys

I think building my List Assets is much better way than listening to them calling people woosies and paying money to something that is not clear of values.

Thats just my personal take. And Why I don't like MLM, because a lot of them are using tactics like this that I think personally is unethical. Although I am very sure there are a lot really good people doing MLM businesses.

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WAL08

12 years ago

That is a very good point, I actually meant to say that in my previous post. I can understand if people don't agree with the core philosophy of the leaders.

It does seem a bit extreme IMHO.

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foenyxly

12 years ago

Why not join Banners Broker... I spend 3 months with EN, write blog everyday promoting affiliated offers, but makes no money, nor even have a recruit...then I found BB, started out with $470, as of November, 2011, already withdrawn $2500. No recruit, no blogging, just strategilized how I want to grow my account. My account earns $1000/6-7 weeks.

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successproducts

12 years ago

All methods work to some degrees. And the thing is you can make the same video like EN because it's the thing that converts and create the same club and you make all the money.

My problem with EN is what really that you sell? I guess the beauty is that you don't have to buy anything tangible except your membership monthly and get others to buy into your dream.

But then again selling craps having the same effects but at least you have some ebooks in your hands. hahaha ... I am actually laughing.

I don't know but each is into its own - if it works for you duplicate the success 10 times more.

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kellio48

12 years ago

In looking through this thread I see the vast majority of posts are negative but like me, the vast number of negatives have probably never tried it and of those who have, most appear to be fairly new to the WF which indicates they are probably reasonably new to IM as well.
Now I'm not going to post negative comments on something I've never tried but one thing which stands out on the sales page is the threat of the price increasing soon. While that's hardly a new tactic, most I've seen in the past, particularly with WSO's is that the price does indeed increase.
However, this has been around now at since early in 2012 and the price has not increased. IMHO, if that part is B/S, chances are at least some of the rest is as well.
Yes, maybe if you put the work in you well may make money but that applies to thousands of other online money making systems as well.
I'm not completely sure on this but it also seems that non US members need to join a payment system for an additional fee in order to get paid.
Someone mentioned that Facebook won't touch it so it's also likely that PayPal won't either.
I've visited other IM forums who also have threads on EM and the general consensus is the same as it is here.
I realize that there will be skeptics regardless of how good a product or system is but I've been marketing online long enough to be wary of the next bright and shiny thing to appear and this sets off some alarm bells which will leave me sitting on the proverbial fence.

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Michael_Le

Banned 12 years ago

why would you pay $25 to have a blog on their site when you can put all that effort into building your own? all that work you put in is only going to benefit EN, no wonder their site is ranking so high......MLM relies heavily on new recruits paying the joining fee to spread the money around.......Yournetbiz was the MLM doing the rounds a few years back and it seems EN has simply replaced it.

if your serious about making money online, have a long term business plan and strategy. MLM will always ever be a short term strategy.

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davidbatchelor 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael_Le

if your serious about making money online, have a long term business plan and strategy. MLM will always ever be a short term strategy.

Hey Michael,

And in your expert opinion, what are you basing that on?
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jon poland

12 years ago

I have not reviewed Empower Network, in large part because I have very little interest in MLM / Network Marketing for the following reason: "Control."

A big reason why many of us become entrepreneurs is because we want control of our business. With a network marketing opportunity, if the company goes belly up -- you and your business are screwed. Network marketing companies come and they go. And when they go, so do the businesses of thousands of their affiliates and distributors.

You can be running a very profitable and ethical operation. But if the company you are representing runs into problems, there goes your business.

If you have multiple income streams, perhaps a network marketing opportunity makes sense. But if the network marketing company is your "one" business, I believe you are taking a huge risk.

It's kind of like the internet marketer who is reliant on one traffic source. If that one traffic source goes away, so does the marketer's business.

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ejm

12 years ago

I just joined EN yesterday. In the past I've seen EN all over the internet and thought about joining but never did until now. The main reason I joined this time is because someone offered to mentor me with EN. If you would like to have access to the same mentor as I do please PM me.

I used to be involved with a few MLM companies and never made any money with them. I don't consider EN to be a traditional MLM company.

EN does have a comp plan (pass-up) that makes it an MLM but when you compare it to traditional MLM companies it's very different in many ways.

Traditional MLM companies promote vitamins, health products, phone service, etc.

EN sells a blogging system and training that I feel that it's more easier for affiliates to duplicate the strategies.

Traditional MLM companies requires a lot of personal interactions. EN is done completely online.

One of the nice things about EN is it's great for those that want to start blogging without having to worry about all of the technicalities when setting up a blog in the beginning.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ejm

I just joined EN yesterday. In the past I've seen EN all over the internet and thought about joining but never did until now. The main reason I joined this time is because someone offered to mentor me with EN. If you would like to have access to the same mentor as I do please PM me.

Oh yes, that is one of the tricks some of them use, supposedly personal mentoring.

Who did you join under?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ejm

I don't consider it as a trick at all. It's a genuine offer because it's in my mentor's interest to mentor me because if I get results my mentor will also be rewarded. He's giving value. He's currently working with me on 1 on 1 basis.

These days most people don't buy into products that are a dime a dozen. They join people that gives value.

Sounds to me like they have conned you.

I mean that is why David & David want you to get all in so that you get the so called mentoring.

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ejm

12 years ago

Originally Posted by davidbatchelor

Sounds to me like they have conned you.

I mean that is why David & David want you to get all in so that you get the so called mentoring.

They are not conning anyone. They've created a business system that gives average people the ability to earn 100% commissions. From watching the videos inside the affiliates area I do agree that they are convincing affiliates to "go all in" to get all of the training and maximize earnings, but it's not a requirement. I'm just starting at the $25 level and will reinvest part of my earnings to upgrade. I'm getting the training from my upline.

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mattpol 12 years ago

I agree, I am also a member of Empower Network and it has been a good experience.

I joined after attending the Atlanta event with a friend. I starting doing fairly well by august. I placed in the top 150 affiliates leaderboard at spot #88 i believe.

The san diego event was also a great experience, and i'm looking forward to continue promoting empower network in 2013.

I would not be a bit surprised if en grows at a faster rate this year then last.
How big do you think EN will get this year?
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ejm

They are not conning anyone. They've created a business system that gives average people the ability to earn 100% commissions. From watching the videos inside the affiliates area I do agree that they are convincing affiliates to "go all in" to get all of the training and maximize earnings, but it's not a requirement. I'm just starting at the $25 level and will reinvest part of my earnings to upgrade. I'm getting the training from my upline.

I was referring to this person's sponsor who I was replying to getting some special mentoring over and above what the EN business offers.

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profithunter7 12 years ago

I haven't joined Empower Network. But this is my take on it.
If you want to make money in IM it is good to have your own blog so you can
promote your own product or other people's stuff or affiliate products. But you
need first page ranking on the Google, Bing, Yahoo! etc. to get traffic and sales.
I've noticed that some EN blogs get good page ranking on Google. So EN blogs
have credibility and value if you are thinking of blogging.
So, there really is nothing wrong with EN. The only thing is this: Are you willing
to put up with the $25 to try for success?
So EN blog is a tool well worth considering, like any other marketing tool.
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rossm

12 years ago

Not sure how EN members sleep at night.

EN offers a product of no tangiable value. Too many people on here who are blogging on EN say they receive no traffic from it whatsoever.

So what do you get for your $25? SQUAT.

You can only make money by sucking people into the same trap.

As an experienced and ethical IM, I sell products of value that help solve an issue for people, I get great feedback and I sleep very well at night.

EN is a hungry beast which needs feeding, and its members are like drug addicts. And when the drugs run out, thousands of people at the bottom of the pyramid who have spent there money joining EN from your referrals will be out of pocket.

Ethical? Sleep well folks.

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Shanks1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by rossm

Not sure how EN members sleep at night.

EN offers a product of no tangible value. Too many people on here who are blogging on EN say they receive no traffic from it whatsoever.

So what do you get for your $25? SQUAT.

You can only make money by sucking people into the same trap.

As an experienced and ethical IM, I sell products of value that help solve an issue for people, I get great feedback and I sleep very well at night.

EN is a hungry beast which needs feeding, and its members are like drug addicts. And when the drugs run out, thousands of people at the bottom of the pyramid who have spent there money joining EN from your referrals will be out of pocket.

Ethical? Sleep well folks.

I have to disagree with you on this. There are a lot of members inside of Empower Network that get free traffic by using their blog. You can do searches for a lot of topics in Google and run across an EN blog.

The domain is aged, and receives thousands of new blog posts each day which allows the blog posts to get ranked on Google naturally. There is a reason that EmpowerNetwork.com is ranked #242 in the US and #513 Globally on Alexa.

I've been in Empower Network since the beginning, and sleep well at night. Just because EN doesn't provide any physical products makes them unEthical? Are you kidding me. Have you joined EN?

Yes, the $25 provides a blogging system with high converting sales page, landers, and guidelines on best practices for blogging... The 2nd package in EN is by far one of best in the industry with audio training from marketers in the industry who have had a lot of success and want to share their strategies. They teach how to market and brand your business. I don't know how you can say that isn't valuable.

You will find a lot more information in the products that EN provides than you will in 99% of the WSOs sold on this forum. Most of that is just rehashed material from another seller with just a fresh coat of paint on it. You can be nickled and dimed on this forum and other sites out there buying crap marketing material where you still have to go out and build a website, create a high converting sales page, create all the images for sales pages, and at the end of the day find a product to sell or create one that provides value. OR you can join a company like EN that has done this for you.

The company has over 70,000 members and cycled over $14,000,000 through the company in just over a year. They are a real company that is not going anywhere.

So yes, I sleep well at night knowing I am selling a high quality product that provides REAL value to its members.

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scrunchie 12 years ago

Hmm.

I've been a member of Empower for around a month. So far I have only seen a few of the training videos. I haven't seen the blog because the system won't let me log into it. (It keeps teling me that I haven't got permission to access it even though I am a fully paid up member of the basic $25 membership) I've contacted support who have told me that they do not have an estimated timeframe that my problem will be resolved in.

Is anyone else having this problem? If its not resolved soon I shall quit it because I feel that I cannot promote something that isn't working properly.
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  I am not taking sides here but I do want to point out that you MAY be able to get better rankings with your own blog as opposed to a blog on the Empower Network.
  
  Google uses Social Indicators as part of their search algorithm, The biggest social media website Is Facebook. Facebook has banned the Empower Network. This would seem to be a negative mark of ranking your content with the Empower Network blog. I know you can still rank content on their but you if you are going to market the EN then you should do it with your own blog where you do not start off with any negative marks.
  
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MaxTheMarketer

12 years ago

Originally Posted by rossm

Not sure how EN members sleep at night.

EN offers a product of no tangiable value. Too many people on here who are blogging on EN say they receive no traffic from it whatsoever.

So what do you get for your $25? SQUAT.

You can only make money by sucking people into the same trap.

As an experienced and ethical IM, I sell products of value that help solve an issue for people, I get great feedback and I sleep very well at night.

EN is a hungry beast which needs feeding, and its members are like drug addicts. And when the drugs run out, thousands of people at the bottom of the pyramid who have spent there money joining EN from your referrals will be out of pocket.

Ethical? Sleep well folks.

I totally agree. I am currently a "member" of EN (but will probably leave after this month has ended), as a friend of mine told me, excitingly, to join and he has made $250k in one year now since the start but through expensive methods so if you are having a tight budget it is NOT recommended to join EN unless you are able to spend lots of money on buying solo ads for tested targeted e-mail lists.

I am also imaging all lives he is currently destroying (which I find heartbreaking that he ONLY cares about the money and not helping people or getting success-stories from people who he has genuinely helped) by selling something that teaches you to sell the very same thing you were sold.

As the product is about making money (which is evident by the sales-video's content), the money has to come from somewhere and after everyone has bought the product that is supposed to produce money, who is left to give money to anyone? That's the thing with "pyramid-schemes".

Internet Marketing is NOT about knowing how to scam, trick, manipulate or make people something they do not want to. IM is about selling something that actually HELPS people.

Why do you think a friend of yours are willing to pay you sometime when you help them? Because they find it THAT valuable and it produces something that they consider tangible results in their lives.

I find it very distasteful when marketers ONLY want to make money no matter how little they actually help their customers with their products or services. Of course, customers must apply the products or services they purchase but we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.

As I always say in my training programs, "Don't try to sell people sand in the Sahara Desert, sell them jackets on the North Pole!" That's the essence of great marketing: selling something people really need or want that they can achieve by purchasing your product or service.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer

I totally agree. I am currently a "member" of EN (but will probably leave after this month has ended), as a friend of mine told me, excitingly, to join and he has made $250k in one year now since the start but through expensive methods so if you are having a tight budget it is NOT recommended to join EN unless you are able to spend lots of money on buying solo ads for tested targeted e-mail lists.

I am also imaging all lives he is currently destroying (which I find heartbreaking that he ONLY cares about the money and not helping people or getting success-stories from people who he has genuinely helped) by selling something that teaches you to sell the very same thing you were sold.

As the product is about making money (which is evident by the sales-video's content), the money has to come from somewhere and after everyone has bought the product that is supposed to produce money, who is left to give money to anyone? That's the thing with "pyramid-schemes".

Internet Marketing is NOT about knowing how to scam, trick, manipulate or make people something they do not want to. IM is about selling something that actually HELPS people.

Why do you think a friend of yours are willing to pay you sometime when you help them? Because they find it THAT valuable and it produces something that they consider tangible results in their lives.

I find it very distasteful when marketers ONLY want to make money no matter how little they actually help their customers with their products or services. Of course, customers must apply the products or services they purchase but we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.

As I always say in my training programs, "Don't try to sell people sand in the Sahara Desert, sell them jackets on the North Pole!" That's the essence of great marketing: selling something people really need or want that they can achieve by purchasing your product or service.

Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

Hey Max,

great points.

It's interesting that they rave about people such as Vick strizheus and Michaelangelo Lopez that samrand points out above who have already experienced HUGE success, but not once have I seen them rave about the success of somebody with no previous IM experience making it big in EN, unless it was a long time ago when solo ad providers where a lot more favourable with EN members.

I had to laugh and at the same time cringe yesterday when David Wood posted that he had hired limo's to take his family to a restaurant and made a big deal out of what a giver he was. When it comes to giving, I think of people like Mother Theresa and certainly not David Wood, Tony Rush or other leaders in EN who like to gloat abut the new toys they have brought, but never about charities they support etc. I guess that's because they don't or at least not like how Mother Theresa and others give/gave.

It's exactly like you said Max 'we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.'

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by davidbatchelor

Hey Max,

great points.

It's interesting that they rave about people such as Vick strizheus and Michaelangelo Lopez that samrand points out above who have already experienced HUGE success, but not once have I seen them rave about the success of somebody with no previous IM experience making it big in EN, unless it was a long time ago when solo ad providers where a lot more favourable with EN members.

I had to laugh and at the same time cringe yesterday when David Wood posted that he had hired limo's to take his family to a restaurant and made a big deal out of what a giver he was. When it comes to giving, I think of people like Mother Theresa and certainly not David Wood, Tony Rush or other leaders in EN who like to gloat abut the new toys they have brought, but never about charities they support etc. I guess that's because they don't or at least not like how Mother Theresa and others give/gave.

It's exactly like you said Max 'we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.'

Completely false friend and you are misinforming
people. Anybody who wants to know facts go to empower network.com
They're LAST 4 blog posts was a no name 19 year old
who is now making $9,000 a month. Cool story I must
say. A few blog posts down David Sharpe is helping
with a project with Habitat for Humanity with a video
presenting a big check.

It's crazy to me how people can make sh$& up when the information
is so easily found and public.

For all you skeptics do REAL due dilligence
because people will mislead you on this forum
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer

I totally agree. I am currently a "member" of EN (but will probably leave after this month has ended), as a friend of mine told me, excitingly, to join and he has made $250k in one year now since the start but through expensive methods so if you are having a tight budget it is NOT recommended to join EN unless you are able to spend lots of money on buying solo ads for tested targeted e-mail lists.

I am also imaging all lives he is currently destroying (which I find heartbreaking that he ONLY cares about the money and not helping people or getting success-stories from people who he has genuinely helped) by selling something that teaches you to sell the very same thing you were sold.

As the product is about making money (which is evident by the sales-video's content), the money has to come from somewhere and after everyone has bought the product that is supposed to produce money, who is left to give money to anyone? That's the thing with "pyramid-schemes".

Internet Marketing is NOT about knowing how to scam, trick, manipulate or make people something they do not want to. IM is about selling something that actually HELPS people.

Why do you think a friend of yours are willing to pay you sometime when you help them? Because they find it THAT valuable and it produces something that they consider tangible results in their lives.

I find it very distasteful when marketers ONLY want to make money no matter how little they actually help their customers with their products or services. Of course, customers must apply the products or services they purchase but we all know greediness is the enemy of the genuine desire to help other human beings.

As I always say in my training programs, "Don't try to sell people sand in the Sahara Desert, sell them jackets on the North Pole!" That's the essence of great marketing: selling something people really need or want that they can achieve by purchasing your product or service.

Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

Good lord! The PRODUCT once and for all is marketing education
with modules that cover a wide range of marketing avenues from internet
to offline. I'm not even in the company and I know this but would it be safe to say
you only bought the blog? Being that it's marketing info that they're bundling
why do you think the money will dry out when there's nobody left?
People will always pursue education. You think a college institution is worried
about there being no people left to sell their education to?

Oh yeah "all the lives he's currently destroying".....Is your life destroyed now because you
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by samrand

Good lord! The PRODUCT once and for all is marketing education
with modules that cover a wide range of marketing avenues from internet
to offline. I'm not even in the company and I know this but would it be safe to say
you only bought the blog? Being that it's marketing info that they're bundling
why do you think the money will dry out when there's nobody left?
People will always pursue education. You think a college institution is worried
about there being no people left to sell their education to?

Oh yeah "all the lives he's currently destroying".....Is your life destroyed now because you
were unsuccessful with EN?

Hello there! Thank you very much for replying. I scrolled through your other replies and you seem to be the very first "troll" I have come across here on this forum.

I thought "trolls" were to be found on less serious sites and video games forums (SWTOR, SC2 & D3; yeah, I am gaming nerdballer myself). However, it is of course only my interpretation that you sound like a "troll".

Take this interpretation from me as constructive feedback since I believe you want to be perceived as a respected authortiy and not a 18-year old girl seeking attention online because she aint getting any offline? ;-)

Now, onto your reply in itself (enough me sound like "Tarzan-boy")...

Your comparison of education in schools and education in EN is wrong in one way; when people to schools they KNOW what they are getting for their money; education.

The majority of people seeking to (or finding) EN is looking for "fast cash", NOT education or a blog where they know you won't know exactly what to do, so they have upselling where you will have to spend about $1000 BEFORE you can actually get enough "education" to start making money.

And here's the other catch: most people finding EN are already POOR and want to make money so they can get by in life, so they are really in trouble when they find it.

Put your hand on your heart, dear troll (sorry for calling you that, but your tonality and style in posts here really sound like that), and tell me, is that really OKAY by them?

And to answer "my life being destroyed", luckily in my own case, it was not, I have other issues now haha, however, I kinda knew what I was getting into and I soon realized it was really about "u gotta have cash to spend to make cash".

And as said once before; most people joining EN do NOT have that amount of cash to get the system rolling. Also, what makes everything more tragic in my point of view is that they are then trying to get more poor people to the very same thing; throwing their money at something that does not really exist.

It is a negative, unethical and bad spiral, MLM in a sense, and NO ONE should get involved. If you REALLY want to make fast money and still helping people, here is what I advice ANYONE to do right now (takes you 10 minutes):

1. Go to Fiverr.com and create an account as a seller

2. Create a testimonial gig (video-, audio- or written-based)

3. Sell this gig as people will always need testimonials from different people (they cannot just buy the same testimonial from the same person several times and use it on the same product) and most people realize the power of testimonials due to the social proof mechanism in human social behavior

I did this and just within days I started to get a couple of orders and money were rolling in while I could feel good about myself at nights knowing that I was helping people and NOT starving their kids to death.

Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

P.S. The reason I mention kids so much is because I really want to discourage people joining since it is really NOT helping the majority of people and many people joining this are desperate families trying to what they can to give their children a bright future, and you are literally taking advantage of them like a beautiful gold-digger does with an insecure millionaire-man.

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer

It is a negative, unethical and bad spiral, MLM in a sense, and NO ONE should get involved. If you REALLY want to make fast money and still helping people, here is what I advice ANYONE to do right now (takes you 10 minutes):

1. Go to Fiverr.com and create an account as a seller

2. Create a testimonial gig (video-, audio- or written-based)

3. Sell this gig as people will always need testimonials from different people (they cannot just buy the same testimonial from the same person several times and use it on the same product) and most people realize the power of testimonials due to the social proof mechanism in human social behavior

I did this and just within days I started to get a couple of orders and money were rolling in while I could feel good about myself at nights knowing that I was helping people and NOT starving their kids to death.

Max, I was loving what you were saying until you started talking about the fiverr gig. I find it ironic that you would condemn EN for being immoral (as it is) but then tell someone to make fake testimonials that are illegal and immoral.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by KnockYourBlogOff

Max, I was loving what you were saying until you started talking about the fiverr gig. I find it ironic that you would condemn EN for being immoral (as it is) but then tell someone to make fake testimonials that are illegal and immoral.

Oops! My bad and my fault. I take full responsibility for saying that. It is correct that you should NEVER sell testimonials due to it being illegal and immoral.

You have all the right in the world, to offer people free products and let them evaluate your product on their own, no matter how good or bad the testimonial will turn out.

Take Care & Have An Awesome Weekend, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer

Hello there! Thank you very much for replying. I scrolled through your other replies and you seem to be the very first "troll" I have come across here on this forum.

I thought "trolls" were to be found on less serious sites and video games forums (SWTOR, SC2 & D3; yeah, I am gaming nerdballer myself). However, it is of course only my interpretation that you sound like a "troll".

Take this interpretation from me as constructive feedback since I believe you want to be perceived as a respected authortiy and not a 18-year old girl seeking attention online because she aint getting any offline? ;-)

Now, onto your reply in itself (enough me sound like "Tarzan-boy")...

Your comparison of education in schools and education in EN is wrong in one way; when people to schools they KNOW what they are getting for their money; education.

The majority of people seeking to (or finding) EN is looking for "fast cash", NOT education or a blog where they know you won't know exactly what to do, so they have upselling where you will have to spend about $1000 BEFORE you can actually get enough "education" to start making money.

And here's the other catch: most people finding EN are already POOR and want to make money so they can get by in life, so they are really in trouble when they find it.

Put your hand on your heart, dear troll (sorry for calling you that, but your tonality and style in posts here really sound like that), and tell me, is that really OKAY by them?

And to answer "my life being destroyed", luckily in my own case, it was not, I have other issues now haha, however, I kinda knew what I was getting into and I soon realized it was really about "u gotta have cash to spend to make cash".

And as said once before; most people joining EN do NOT have that amount of cash to get the system rolling. Also, what makes everything more tragic in my point of view is that they are then trying to get more poor people to the very same thing; throwing their money at something that does not really exist.

It is a negative, unethical and bad spiral, MLM in a sense, and NO ONE should get involved. If you REALLY want to make fast money and still helping people, here is what I advice ANYONE to do right now (takes you 10 minutes):

1. Go to Fiverr.com and create an account as a seller

2. Create a testimonial gig (video-, audio- or written-based)

3. Sell this gig as people will always need testimonials from different people (they cannot just buy the same testimonial from the same person several times and use it on the same product) and most people realize the power of testimonials due to the social proof mechanism in human social behavior

I did this and just within days I started to get a couple of orders and money were rolling in while I could feel good about myself at nights knowing that I was helping people and NOT starving their kids to death.

Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

P.S. The reason I mention kids so much is because I really want to discourage people joining since it is really NOT helping the majority of people and many people joining this are desperate families trying to what they can to give their children a bright future, and you are literally taking advantage of them like a beautiful gold-digger does with an insecure millionaire-man.

Yeah you started off tacky with the "18 year old girl who doesn't get none offline" and then finished off with the oh so bad advice regarding selling fiverr gig testimonials.
Ouch!

Sorry you think I'm a troll but some people just don't understand people who are on
the opposite side of an opinion. I've replied to some posts on here, but mainly to people such as yourself with your dramatization. 90% of people who join EN are
in bankruptcy, forclosure, and no food to feed their kids right?

You have nothing to back up your assumptions, I know, but lets just get to the meat
and potatoes shall we?

People join EN by and large because they want to make money we all know that.
The reality is that they should know that they will become a marketer with whatever
they are "pushing" online. Say you for instance. You're from Sweden? You sell your
"dating advice" to my countrymen (USA) because you think you're solving a problem for us out here with your extensive knowledge of the white European women out there?

On behalf of all heterosexual American men who can't get laid much obliged.
I certainly hope some of your "tips" can help some of my fellow Americans.
EN simply allows you to resell their business and most people are inclined to
do that because of their funnel and sales system setup. If you take a step back
for a second to study the model you can examine a well laid out funnel designed to
make sales and apply that in your own projects or company.

That's exactly what their system teaches. Every marketer, even you, wants to
know how to market better and convert better because at the end of the day we're
all SELLING something okay?

So lets stop whining about what you think is a REAL problem. You want to know a
real problem? Bad marketing
Bad marketing= no sales
Real problem? comp plans to make product/company owners rich.
Bad for the owners...no
Bad for the affiliates...yes
EN yes has made this a flagship also with their company to escape the "slavery"
type comp models.

So whether you agree or not (which I already know your position) EN solves
a comp plan issue for a lot of people. EN solves a problem with a lot of peoples marketing and mindframe. There's testimonials on this very page of that.

Are those not real issues for people Max?

EN specialty is marketing mastery and sales conversions. The problem is that they let anybody
resell their products with that kick ass funnel and comp plan. So naturally people
said screw applying this knowledge elsewhere. I'll just sell whats already proven to
convert. Then with the exploding number of affiliates, people such as yourself then think
the products are just methods to resell the products. I understand your confusion
and others on this thread.

Their gift is their curse. If say David Wood had just came out and sold a $1,000
product on "conversions and sales mastery from a 7 figure marketer" and he didn't
let affiliates resell it for 100% then this discussion isn't happening. He would probably be commended for an outstanding product.

When you open up the floodgates to affiliates and introduce a comp plan that
the industry really hasn't seen and it spreads like wildfire it became less about
the quality of product but it became more about it being a clever cult, pyramid, mlm....

There will always be people who think Americans never landed on the moon
so it's no use trying convince them otherwise but the real problem with EN is
that they made a "mistake" in opening up an affiliate network with a comp
plan and sales funnel that makes it hard for people to NOT want to promote it.
Shame on EN. Why did they make such a desirable offer. Damn marketers!

True indeed that it is already a business in a box. The reality is is that the bigger
it grows with new affiliates the more scam, pyramid etc talk will progress.
As with almost anything that becomes successful and powerful.

It is what it is love it or hate it.

EN is a company who sells marketing products with a wildly popular
comp plan.

Interpret it as you wish.

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MaxTheMarketer

12 years ago

Originally Posted by samrand

Yeah you started off tacky with the "18 year old girl who doesn't get none offline" and then finished off with the oh so bad advice regarding selling fiverr gig testimonials.
Ouch!

Sorry you think I'm a troll but some people just don't understand people who are on
the opposite side of an opinion. I've replied to some posts on here, but mainly to people such as yourself with your dramatization. 90% of people who join EN are
in bankruptcy, forclosure, and no food to feed their kids right?

You have nothing to back up your assumptions, I know, but lets just get to the meat
and potatoes shall we?

People join EN by and large because they want to make money we all know that.
The reality is that they should know that they will become a marketer with whatever
they are "pushing" online. Say you for instance. You're from Sweden? You sell your
"dating advice" to my countrymen (USA) because you think you're solving a problem for us out here with your extensive knowledge of the white European women out there?

On behalf of all heterosexual American men who can't get laid much obliged.
I certainly hope some of your "tips" can help some of my fellow Americans.
EN simply allows you to resell their business and most people are inclined to
do that because of their funnel and sales system setup. If you take a step back
for a second to study the model you can examine a well laid out funnel designed to
make sales and apply that in your own projects or company.

That's exactly what their system teaches. Every marketer, even you, wants to
know how to market better and convert better because at the end of the day we're
all SELLING something okay?

So lets stop whining about what you think is a REAL problem. You want to know a
real problem? Bad marketing
Bad marketing= no sales
Real problem? comp plans to make product/company owners rich.
Bad for the owners...no
Bad for the affiliates...yes
EN yes has made this a flagship also with their company to escape the "slavery"
type comp models.

So whether you agree or not (which I already know your position) EN solves
a comp plan issue for a lot of people. EN solves a problem with a lot of peoples marketing and mindframe. There's testimonials on this very page of that.

Are those not real issues for people Max?

EN specialty is marketing mastery and sales conversions. The problem is that they let anybody
resell their products with that kick ass funnel and comp plan. So naturally people
said screw applying this knowledge elsewhere. I'll just sell whats already proven to
convert. Then with the exploding number of affiliates, people such as yourself then think
the products are just methods to resell the products. I understand your confusion
and others on this thread.

Their gift is their curse. If say David Wood had just came out and sold a $1,000
product on "conversions and sales mastery from a 7 figure marketer" and he didn't
let affiliates resell it for 100% then this discussion isn't happening. He would probably be commended for an outstanding product.

When you open up the floodgates to affiliates and introduce a comp plan that
the industry really hasn't seen and it spreads like wildfire it became less about
the quality of product but it became more about it being a clever cult, pyramid, mlm....

There will always be people who think Americans never landed on the moon
so it's no use trying convince them otherwise but the real problem with EN is
that they made a "mistake" in opening up an affiliate network with a comp
plan and sales funnel that makes it hard for people to NOT want to promote it.
Shame on EN. Why did they make such a desirable offer. Damn marketers!

True indeed that it is already a business in a box. The reality is is that the bigger
it grows with new affiliates the more scam, pyramid etc talk will progress.
As with almost anything that becomes successful and powerful.

It is what it is love it or hate it.

EN is a company who sells marketing products with a wildly popular
comp plan.

Interpret it as you wish.

All the best.

ok you "owned" me! :-)

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ajaxmike

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer

when people [go] to schools they KNOW what they are getting for their money; education.

The majority of people seeking to (or finding) EN is looking for "fast cash", NOT education or a blog where they know you won't know exactly what to do, so they have upselling where you will have to spend about $1000 BEFORE you can actually get enough "education" to start making money.

And here's the other catch: most people finding EN are already POOR and want to make money so they can get by in life, so they are really in trouble when they find it.

And as said once before; most people joining EN do NOT have that amount of cash to get the system rolling. Also, what makes everything more tragic in my point of view is that they are then trying to get more poor people to the very same thing; throwing their money at something that does not really exist.

It is a negative, unethical and bad spiral, MLM in a sense, and NO ONE should get involved.

There is one thing common about all MLMs (I have been in several): they are all full of broke people. The only people with money are the ones at the top and a room full of broke people look at them and "Wow, I could be that guy." There is always a story about a broke guy getting rich. What you find out once you get involved is that it takes cash to make cash as you say. The other reality is that the failure rate is huge.

So in the end, EM is just like all the rest, but with a really good sales pitch. They prey on broke people who are desperate by selling a dream that can only be realized with cash and work. These folks don't have cash and most people won't do the work either. So look in the mirror and ask, do I want to be part of that?

I agree with what clubapple said above though. One side benefit of all this is that you will likely gain some personal skills and confidence. Most MLMs have this sort of training. I developed a lot just hanging out with folks like that and reading/watching the materials.

There are indeed some testimonials here that the education is first class by people who claim to have become members. I will take their word for it. But it wouldn't sell so well if the pitch was buy a $1K educational product, invest some additional cash in marketing, and you will make some money using the methods taught in the course. No dream there, just capital and work, but that's truthful.

There are several posters who criticize the value of the educational material, despite not having used it themselves -- that's not ethical. Of the posters who have purchased and used the program, some said it was not worth the cost, most have said it was excellent. Perhaps the positive ones are just lying for sales, perhaps not. You have to decide for yourself.

BTW, a poster above said he has been purchasing online for 30 years. Well, I have been in the IT business for longer than that and I can tell you there was no e-commerce in 1983. The "internet" at that time was only text-based bulletin board systems used by academics, techies, and the military. Even though the underlying technology was there, it wasn't called the internet, it was called usenet.

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samrand

12 years ago

Vick strizheus from High Traffic Academy who also has a thread in this section joined EN
on Dec 21, 2012 (last month). He brought in 600 people and as of Jan 9th made $559,000.

Michaelangelo Lopez creator of University of Internet Science who joined in September of
last year is also number 3 on their leader board.

Its funny I'm subscribed to Michaelangelo's list and 9 months ago he also thought EN was a
here now gone tomorrow program and sounded like some people on this very thread. Now
he loves EN and its products and the movement.

This is why most people think EN will fail is because they think its just another mlm. They
actually sale marketing education and a blog with 100% commissions. You can't sell
what you don't own unlike all of you clown affiliate marketers who swear your products
are of value but you've never bought them. How does that make them an mlm?

They are a direct sales company which includes an affiliate program that you can participate
in if you want. The affiliate program has pass up sales that is built into the comp plan to
create more leverage. That's it.

How is that MLM?

Also Facebook banned their url because it looked like spam. There were thousands of
affiliates posting their blogs on Facebook so Facebook got nervous and banned the links.
So what! Facebook is not marketer friendly we all know that.

The reason why Empower is doing a million a week in commissions to affiliates is because
of their products and message. The company was built for the people. The company founders
get paid the same way everybody does and that's with their own affiliate accounts. What company owners do that besides them? What internet based company has full income disclosures published on their public page that is refreshed every 24 hours?

I'm not in EN but I don't understand why some of you marketers on here take issue.
They sell marketing education and a blog with all the bells and whistles for you to market
anything you want on . Some people don't want to make a stupid blog lol. Some people
don't want to build sales funnels (or know how to, that convert). Some people are interested
in buying marketing education from the likes of David Wood who is a successful marketer
truly. Not a successful WSO creator where all your traffic is already provided for you.

This is long winded but if someone can tell me why its unethical to create marketing info
products and then open up an affiliate program for folks to receive 100% from them, please
explain that to me in another post.

Oh yeah anybody else heard of someone making half a million being an affiliate with a company
in 20 days. That is unheard of and this wasn't even a launch. EN been around since fall of
2011. Honestly these days product creators can't even do low 6 figures during their own
launches much less their affiliates who get 60% if their lucky. Only a handful can
still do million dollar launches these days because people are more hip to the gimmicks and
bs.

Now to wrap this up if people with huge lists like Michaelangelo and Vick gave their lists the green light on EN, that's something to pay attention to. I can see why they sat on the sidelines
waiting to see if EN would get past their growing pains. People with lists over 200,000+
have to be careful with influence they have and what they recommend I assume.

You'll probably see more big shots joining now after what Vick earned and the company
I PREDICT will grow at record pace. I mean what other company is getting launch money
every week 16 months after they launched? Possibly because of the pay plan and products
eh?

PS. I'm sure all of you "marketers" on this thread are selling a digital product of extremely high
value right? Some of you are 300 pounds selling weight loss lol!

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12 years ago

@Samrand Couldn't have said it any better myself...

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dedy

12 years ago

Thanks GOD I'm not join in EN... thanks GOD I read this thread!

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davidbatchelor 12 years ago

Originally Posted by dedy

Thanks GOD I'm not join in EN... thanks GOD I read this thread!

It's suited for those who are already successful, hence I have decided to stop promoting it and am instead starting to promote something else where everyone can win and doesn't require a learning curve to get into profit.
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- ejm 12 years ago
  
  Google indexed approx 4.3 million pages of empowernetwork.com and just started in late 2011
  
  Google indexed approx 5.3 million pages of ezinearticles.com and started in late 1999
  
  Squidoo has approx 580K
  
  Hubpages has 3.4 million
  
  At this rate I would not be surprised if Empower Network rises above all except maybe Facebook but who knows.
  
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samrand

12 years ago

@davidbatchelor hey look man its cool to not like a company or its products
but you just got caught with your pants down lying about this company. For everybody
reading this thread read his comments closely that I quoted in the post above and cross reference that with empowernetwork.com where they have documented video proof in their last few blog posts to completely falsify his statement.

Jan 9th post : No name success story (19 year old)
Dec 21st post: Habitat for Humanity charity video

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brijt15

12 years ago

I am in Empower Network, and like everything else in life you have to put forth the effort.

Empower Network allows you to strip away the ego, the fear of failure, the negative voices... Look in the mirror and decide what YOU want and then GO FOR IT.

No matter what you decide, have no regrets and make it count.

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12 years ago

I am in Empower Network, and like everything else in life you have to put forth the effort.

Empower Network allows you to strip away the ego, the fear of failure, the negative voices... Look in the mirror and decide what YOU want and then GO FOR IT.

No matter what you decide, have no regrets and make it count.

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Shannon2011

12 years ago

Hey, we started with EN at the end of September, went to the event in San Diego in October, came home and have made $35,304 in profit (not including profit generated that was passed up to our enroller). Not bad for 3 months over the holidays.

We're using about 80% solo ads for traffic to a page: Opportunity Knocks. The EN pages work great too...especially the weird marketing tricks one.

For the people who think "only the ones at the top win", here's my opinion on that.

I got started in NM in 2002. I was a high school Biology teacher with no business training or marketing skills. I started my business putting flyers on cars. I walked parking lots round the clock putting 5,000 flyers out a week.

My first year I made $400K.

It's not the "folks at the top" who make money, it's the folks who are willing TO WORK TO GET TO THE TOP.

When people meet me they are floored that I've made over $6 million since I started in home business, took two years off during my pregnancy and with my daughter, travelled the world and hang with my hubby everyday from where ever we feel like living this year. I'm pretty unassumming, not the best spoken, don't know any crafty sales lingo or tricks, but you can bet your ass I'll work 100X harder than most people to get results. That's why I've ended up at the top of everything I've done.

Empower Network is not my primary business (it's my husband). I work with traditional MLM. Both are great. You can pretty much make money at almost anything, including affiliate marketing, if you're willing to work for it.

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Banned 12 years ago

@samrand for someone who claims they're not part of EM and no clue of what a MLM is, you sure am real vocal about sticking up for them.......

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Originally Posted by Michael_Le

@samrand for someone who claims they're not part of EM and no clue of what a MLM is, you sure am real vocal about sticking up for them.......

Yup because I find it hypocritical for people
on a forum where people buy and sell info
products to then cast aspersions on a company
that does the very same thing but gives you %100
commissions for products you don't have to create.

Funny I got a pm from somebody asking me the same
and I'll just say I do well in an obscure niche.

There's a lot of ruckus in MMO and IM niche but
I do watch the circus. I have no problem calling
out hypocrisy.
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- paultheseer 12 years ago
  
  So people who have joined here, do you really start to see signups simply by blogging every day?
  
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  Originally Posted by paultheseer
  
  So people who have joined here, do you really start to see signups simply by blogging every day?
  
  I joined EN a few days ago. I only have a few posts so far. I believe that as you post more content to your blog your blog will go up in ranking in the search engines and will eventually pick up organic search engine traffic. It will take some time before you will see visitors to your blog. They encourage affiliates to blog daily to increase their search traffic.
  
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jcinqmars

12 years ago

Empower network is no different than any other system. Most systems work, the problem isn't the system it is the applied action taken to work the system.

Most systems work, as I said, however, it is with massive consistent action that a system works. Not the system itself. NOTHING, I mean nothing simply works right out of the box. You can't simply join a system or company and viola you are making money.

What is lacking in MOST systems is the proper coaching teaching and training to learn the new skills required to execute the necessary actions to create momentum. Minimum of 30 days is required to get anything moving in the right direction.

I assure you, YOUR success with Empower Network is dependent on your efforts and ability to follow instructions. It can work, indeed.

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HTG

12 years ago

Sorry but, unless you have a list that will follow your every move, it's a joke. You can blog and blog until you're blogged in your own blog blog blog... no signups will come that way.

That's why they are fishing here.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HTG

Sorry but, unless you have a list that will follow your every move, it's a joke. You can blog and blog until you're blogged in your own blog blog blog... no signups will come that way.

That's why they are fishing here.

And that is the part they conveniently leave out.

If people are serious about building a business on the internet, they should discover how to out source effectively.

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freedomquest

12 years ago

Originally Posted by HTG

Sorry but, unless you have a list that will follow your every move, it's a joke. You can blog and blog until you're blogged in your own blog blog blog... no signups will come that way.

That's why they are fishing here.

thats not quite true, ive gotten signups from my blog organically. no on to en but other things i'm involved in

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Devin X

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by marc7

Is anyone familiar with or have experience with the empower network?

Empower Network is ridiculous, but this is hilarious.

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Edwin Torres 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman

Empower Network is ridiculous, but this is hilarious.
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Haha! Those impressions were spot on
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Jesus Perez 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman

Empower Network is ridiculous, but this is hilarious.
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Really funny. 3:00 is the winner.
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haslow

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman

Empower Network is ridiculous, but this is hilarious.
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Ah ha ha! Excellent! "Bad Ass" Thanks man!

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passiveincomebiz

12 years ago

That video is pure gold

I am not against networking marketing in principle but regarding EN -- my main contention is that its products are crazy overpriced for the type of rudimentary info being offered.

I guess it has to be that way to rope people into the program in order to promote it. Because without the networking aspect -- I cant see many people paying $25 to simply blog or $100s or $1500 for the other type of basic IM info they offer

Bottomline -- the attraction to this program is the "payout structure" not the products (which in my opinion - does not represent good value)

I will say this though -- the program aside, EN is a great example of a good funnel

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by passiveincomebiz

That video is pure gold

I am not against networking marketing in principle but regarding EN -- my main contention is that its products are crazy overpriced for the type of rudimentary info being offered.

I guess it has to be that way to rope people into the program in order to promote it. Because without the networking aspect -- I cant see many people paying $25 to simply blog or $100s or $1500 for the other type of basic IM info they offer

Bottomline -- the attraction to this program is the "payout structure" not the products (which in my opinion - does not represent good value)

I will say this though -- the program aside, EN is a great example of a good funnel

Totally agree.

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haslow 12 years ago

To make this clear, we are putting aside attempts to sell the EN system. The EN system stand alone is just a pyramid scheme.

EN in theory of how a sales funnel can work, sure, but with EN any lead captures you get are going to be only other EN members. How is that going to help if you are trying to promote your product? Every one on EN is just trying to sell the same empty box system to someone else. They don't give a damn about what other promo you have on your blog and that is the only traffic you will get!

Come on really, think about it, when you go shopping on line do you really read a blog to shop? No, you go to the website where you know the products are, Amazon, Ebay, the manufacturer etc. If you Google the term sure a blog may appear but so what, are you going to buy from a link on a blog? Think not! I have been and still am a massive internet shopper for over 30 years, so are my family and friends. In all my life of shopping, not once have I ever or ever known someone to ever buy off a link on a blog.
If you want a good sales funnel you go to where the interest lies for your audience. Weight loss? You go to weight loss forum or blogs, Auto repair? You go to auto repair forum or blogs.
Also forget the cookie thing. Me along with just about everyone I talk too has a auto dump on tracking cookies or a anti-virus spyware program which does not allow cache embedding. Most anti-virus programs automatically do this in the background and you do not even know it happened. Even if I did visit a link on a EN page, it is not stored on my computer as well as most other computers so the claim of you get credit if a visitor buys from the same site visited through other routes is completely false and just made by EN as another one of their deceptive tactics.

EN is just a trash bin full of other EN members trying to suck you in to buy the empty box. Like I said in my earlier post EN is only worth the value in the weight the aged domain name carries and this is the only thing that made D Wood rich. He was fortunate to have obtained the domain by whatever means he used. Think about it again, with out this aged domain where would EN be? And again also, you forfeit all rights to everything you put on the EN network. EN can only work to promote your product if you link you own website to the network and you get a rank boost but for this you have to pay that monthly fee and are subject to the EN "Terms Of Use" contract. Is it really worth it?

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman

Empower Network is ridiculous, but this is hilarious.
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Man that ish is FUNNY!!! I used to enjoy watchin Jamie Lewis back when he was cashing in on million dollar clickbank launches. He used to ride around in Ferraris and he had hip hop type videos for his launches with strippers on his pool tables.

(Jamie Lewis is the one with the long hair wig for those that don't know)

Anybody remember this? Too bad people ain't falling for that old clickbank guru
launch crap anymore. I liked watching his Las Vegas party videos.

He might still be a baller, but damn, for him to take the time out to do this video
lets you know a lil something about EN. This video he made although funny
seems like sour grapes/jealousy.

By the way, I said in an earlier post a lot of "heavyweights" will start to join...now
Russell Brunson from dotcomsecrets just got in.

If this product is such a scam/pyramid why are all of these marketers with their
own companies and followers now endorsing EN?

Because they are idiots and don't know a scam when they see one? You
think they would tarnish their reputation for a scam.

Speaking of a pyramid if you think Empower, which pays out 100% commissions
besides the passups in the beginning, is going to fail you should look to other "pyramids" that seem to be doing just fine....Amway, Herbalife, Avon....
Not to say EN is like them, but you would think they would've already
been flagged by now right?

Come to think of it what companies have been forced to shut down?
Besides Zeek? Zeek was a penny auction farce.

Look I think if EN fails it will be because people stop buying their
products, and if they change their comp plan. No signs their comp plan is
gonna change but the products will. You see the products are only
going to get BETTER.

Why is this? They are getting some of the most talented marketers in IM.
Not affiliates marketers. Successful IM product creators that have their
own product suite, and EN incorporates their knowledge into their products
which they update. So for example Vick Strizheus who joined last month, which
in some circles is known to be a traffic genius, will be doing modules in their
product line. Same with Russell Brunson probably in the future. SEO
braniac Rob Fore has been there since the beginning. Social media
guru Chris Record, and that's just a penny of the talent.

So with this being an actuality that is going on whether you like it or not, the
arguments that their products "hold no weight" is just becoming untruer
by the week as more marketers with respect and stripes in the game start
to trickle in.

What's it going to takes for you guys to give the credit it deserves? When
Frank Kern finally joins and they introduce a $10,000 product featuring
him only?

Will it be a product of great value then? Of course not right because anybody
who gives out 100% commissions on their products means that the product must
not be that valuable.

I'll end with this. Having pass up sales in a companies affiliate program
is not against the law. Do junior stock brokers still have to pass up 25-40
accounts first before they're qualified to start earning? (okay bad example).

All done with my EN talk.

Much success to you all except you fat asses selling weight loss! How dare
you! lol.

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haslow

12 years ago

samrand, you must be a EN member! Go bat for your boys!

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by haslow

samrand, you must be a EN member! Go bat for your boys!

You know what they say about assuming?

If you read the whole page you would know I am not
an EN member. I don't make money by selling make
money by marketing products lol.

At the same time I don't see anything wrong EN either.
I like their movement and I find them to be enertaining and motivational.
I just go to bat against HYPOCRiTS!

Hmmm where else do they sell marketing and
make money products at? Wherelse can product
creators allow other people to resell their products for a
commission? Unfortunately almost never 100% though.

Don't think too hard monkey boy (cute avi)

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by samrand

You know what they say about assuming?

I always thought assume stood for 'ass out of you and me'

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samrand 12 years ago

Originally Posted by davidbatchelor

I always thought assume stood for 'ass out of you and me'

I thought the same or maybe I'm just assuming. Lol.
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clubapple

12 years ago

As a member of empower network, there's some things I don't like about EN. It would be nice to tell all those who want to sign up that they will need money to invest in good paid advertisement in order to make money straight out. well, they do tell you... after you've done invested most of your last $25 + $20 (for the merchant account) and probably have no money left, or at this point, too discouraged from spending money on what you thought was a quick fix to find is wasn't so quick after all. at the beginning, the only (for the most part since i've found free ways) fast way to make quick sales right after joining, is paid advertising....not blogging about about thing, every body and their mamas.

Read my lips... or should i say words?.....YOU WILL NOT make fast cash, right after signing up, by simply blogging daily. period...end of story. it will take 2-3 months of consistent content rich unique blogging to get to a fast cash level via google traffic that begins coming in when your blog goes up in rankings.

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clubapple 12 years ago

since I have the mic, i might as well go on a say that empower network is more than some blogging platform as a warrior stated before. It's internet marketing education, and most importantly, a kind of mind set training. I've made a good amount of money with empower network but none of my sales would be possible if i continued being that down, discouraged, zero confidence, negative person i was before empower network.

Empower Network has had alot of indirect positive effects on my life. last semester was my last semester and hardest semester as a Biological pre-medical student. I was the average student; mostly B's. took biological chemistry lab, bio chemistry lecture, special topics marine biology, immunology lecture, immunology lab and WORST of all....speech lecture and speech recitation all in one semester. empower network training inspired and encouraged the crap out me and some how awaken something in me after one mind set training. I found my self wanting to be on top of every class...not just to simply get by with a B. I was also motivated to study (havent been that way since freshmen year) and beat the best students in all my classes.

I put off speech for as long as i can because of obvious reasons; my confidence was shot, i had zero convinced in my self and my ability to do good in that class, and so i didn't till i couldn't avoid the class any longer. Even that speech class could not hold me. Finished that semester with my lower grade being an A- (the best semester GPA ever in the history of undergraduate career). The blog is cool...the money is great... but this new person i am, because of them, is priceless.

When i joined empower network, i was forced to learn every thing on my own. i appreciate my sponsor for being such a sucky sponsor. It allowed me to learn alot more than if i was being spoon fed by him. perhaps i would of learned only what he knew, which is far less than what i know now.

All that would be nothing if i were to forget where i came from and who i was and not at least share what i learned. I've helped people(who were already signed up under other sponsors who weren't much help at all), with no money for paid advertisement money, make their first sales. Yes, i even figured out free ways to make fast sales because of the motivation i got from training and the lack of help i got from my sponsor. That would have been impossible had I remained that down and out character i was before empower.

I look forward to problems cause i enjoy overcoming them now. from a Just to get by to a positive go getter. Man screw the blogging system and money. they are just a bonus compared to the impact it makes on MULTIPLE aspects of your life (when you make it your business to listen to them).

again...DO NOT JOIN EMPOWER NETWORK UNLESS YOU HAVE ADVERTISING MONEY TO MAKE QUICK SALES UNTIL YOUR BLOG BEGIN RANKING (also found a google trick for this no thanks to my sponsor). If you got tricked into empower network and are in already...might as well make it work. Get motivated and get past the obstacles. i did it....while a full time biology pre-medical student.

If you already been in empower network for close to a month and about to be charged the monthly fee... cut your loses. its ok, there's plenty of free ways to make money online. Dont worry about it.
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- tagalog 12 years ago
  
  In this case I will follow my Grandmother's advice - 'In in doubt, do nowt.'
  
  ('Nowt' means 'nothing' in Yorkshire, England, UK)
  
  Or maybe I should follow the advice given to me by my old drill sergeant - 'He who dares, wins.'
  
  So confusing! I think I will go and make a cup of tea and have a five minute break from reading this forum LOL!
  
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  Reno Van Boven 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by tagalog
  
  Or maybe I should follow the advice given to me by my old drill sergeant - 'He who dares, wins.'
  
  Not specifically in relation to if you should join EN or not, but I would always follow your "old drill sergeant's" advice.
  
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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by clubapple

As a member of empower network, there's some things I don't like about EN. It would be nice to tell all those who want to sign up that they will need money to invest in good paid advertisement in order to make money straight out. well, they do tell you... after you've done invested most of your last $25 + $20 (for the merchant account) and probably have no money left, or at this point, too discouraged from spending money on what you thought was a quick fix to find is wasn't so quick after all. at the beginning, the only (for the most part since i've found free ways) fast way to make quick sales right after joining, is paid advertising....not blogging about about thing, every body and their mamas.

Read my lips... or should i say words?.....YOU WILL NOT make fast cash, right after signing up, by simply blogging daily. period...end of story. it will take 2-3 months of consistent content rich unique blogging to get to a fast cash level via google traffic that begins coming in when your blog goes up in rankings.

No disrespect Clubapple but this is rookie stuff. I don't care what you're promoting.
If you have no budget I would do this. Whip out my iphone or a droid if you have
one, make a video talking about your company a little bit and direct them to your
squeeze page. Share your video everywhere, youtube and other video networks.
Facebook, Linkedin groups also. Don't spam but just ask people to check out your
video review.

Autoresponder sequence should be another review for your first email and then
second should be social proof and testimonials from other people. You can easily
get that from Youtube. 3rd email whatever you want.

Cost out of pocket maybe a dollar for aweber your first month. There's free
squeeze page generators out there without using Empowers.

I'm not giving anymore free tips for now but don't ever underestimate the power of
free video marketing. A little food for thought for some of you newbs starting out
complaining that it takes money to make money.

Don't take it from me. Ask any veteran warrior member on this forum.

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Devin X

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by samrand

Man that ish is FUNNY!!! I used to enjoy watchin Jamie Lewis back when he was cashing in on million dollar clickbank launches. He used to ride around in Ferraris and he had hip hop type videos for his launches with strippers on his pool tables.

(Jamie Lewis is the one with the long hair wig for those that don't know)

Anybody remember this? Too bad people ain't falling for that old clickbank guru
launch crap anymore. I liked watching his Las Vegas party videos.

He might still be a baller, but damn, for him to take the time out to do this video
lets you know a lil something about EN. This video he made although funny
seems like sour grapes/jealousy.

You must be the one that disliked it. Jealousy has nothing to do with it and your logic is fallacious. It doesn't matter WHO is endorsing it (appeal to authority fallacy), what matters is the substance and integrity of the program, of which, EN has none. You forget that Bernie Madoff's scheme worked extremely well too! As did John Bennett's, Reed Slatkin's, and the Villalobos brothers...and we all have seen what happens to them in the end. :cough:

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samrand

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman

You must be the one that disliked it. Jealousy has nothing to do with it and your logic is fallacious. It doesn't matter WHO is endorsing it (appeal to authority fallacy), what matters is the substance and integrity of the program, of which, EN has none. You forget that Bernie Madoff's scheme worked extremely well too! As did John Bennett's, Reed Slatkin's, and the Villalobos brothers...and we all have seen what happens to them in the end. :cough:

Bad Examples dude Bernie Madoff's ponzi scam with his "wealth managment"
equity firms had nothing to do with selling digital information products with
pass up sales. You're really reaching now.

"Appeal to authority fallacy" or solid endorsements. That's for the consumer to
decide. The thing I do admire about EN a great deal is that they have a great
"weed you out system". They don't want there program filled up with whiners,
complainers, freebie seekers, conspiracy theorists lol.

Where are they lacking integrity?
Comp plan:? 100% commissions
Bad products? Advanced marketing courses taught by successful marketers.
Transparency: They publish daily earnings of their affiliates.
Communication: On their corporate page they take you inside their offices
in Florida and interview their customer support team for you on video.
Their phone number is also on there too.
(They're all American too. Ain't that somethin!)

Jeez man it looks like all their ducks are in order.

Maybe you can fill me in......

(Btw I don't do that like and dislike stuff on youtube. I just realized what you were
referring too. I watched that actual video on the forum post. I didn't click it out
in a new tab to dislike it. That's some petty ish. I actually like satire and Jamie
had me crackin up)

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Devin X

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mcocan

Empower is NOT an MLM program it is direct sales and you earn 100% commissions as an affiliate. They have some of the best products on Internet marketing out there thought by some of the best!

You have no idea what you're talking about, kid. You're paying THEM to promote THEIR website and THEIR "products". You don't own any part of it and you have no control or leverage. But hey, you have the possibility of making upwards of 300%!!! That's good enough, right? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by samrand

The thing I do admire about EN a great deal is that they have a great "weed you out system". They don't want there program filled up with whiners, complainers, freebie seekers, conspiracy theorists lol.

I'm glad we cracked you up. And yeah they have quite the clever cult set up. You get to pay them to promote their system, no dissent is allowed, no questioning their authority is allowed, no technical questions are allowed (because they don't know anything about that), and no complaining is allowed. What a joke!

I don't have to say anymore. You can't deny the reality. Now, we're done here. Have a nice night.

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paultheseer

12 years ago

Well I agree with Clubapple, I did join in the end, not because of the hype about earnings but to use the blog as another outlet for my main business. I got my main keyword that has over two million searches per month as my username, so I figured its worth a punt to see if it does bring in some decent traffic back to my main site I'm currently sitting on page four for it and as you know that isn't worth a lot until I get on page one, so I am exploring ways to get up to page one.
I'm still not sure though about the whole content rating higher, with Google's ever changing algorithms and if people start hiring others to do their blogging there is going to be a lot of spam duplicate content that won't help no matter how old the domain or rating. One other thing I notice, the early big name adopters had the luxury of FB ppc which is now banned, in fact even if you wanted to spend money on ppc you would be hard pushed to do it directly yourself, there are co ops inside but I haven't gone down that route. I will put a few adverts out across my sites and see though.

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clubapple

12 years ago

go with $30 solo ads. PM me if you need a list.

As for copying and pasting, it doesnt hurt the person copying and pasting; that page just wont be indexed/ ranked. I want to be indexed for my copy and paste content so i do a lil google trick to have google think my content is 100% unique.

If you really want to use facebook PPC, make a squeeze page offering some free ebooks or marketing software and link your empower network auto responder to it. Use that squeeze page on facebook PPC.

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Well I agree with Clubapple, I did join in the end, not because of the hype about earnings but to use the blog as another outlet for my main business. I got my main keyword that has over two million searches per month as my username, so I figured its worth a punt to see if it does bring in some decent traffic back to my main site I'm currently sitting on page four for it and as you know that isn't worth a lot until I get on page one, so I am exploring ways to get up to page one.
I'm still not sure though about the whole content rating higher, with Google's ever changing algorithms and if people start hiring others to do their blogging there is going to be a lot of spam duplicate content that won't help no matter how old the domain or rating. One other thing I notice, the early big name adopters had the luxury of FB ppc which is now banned, in fact even if you wanted to spend money on ppc you would be hard pushed to do it directly yourself, there are co ops inside but I haven't gone down that route. I will put a few adverts out across my sites and see though.

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Mikaedi88 11 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman

Empower Network is ridiculous, but this is hilarious.
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Dudeman, very true, that video was truly hilarious, I actually at first thought it was promoting Empower..
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jasondinner

12 years ago

From what I understand, they are paying their affiliates close to or more than $1 million per WEEK in commissions. They're trumping "guru" product launches on a weekly basis.

They must be doing something right.

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jasondinner

12 years ago

LMFAO!!! I didn't even realize that was Jamie Lewis!! That is great

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Miguelito203

12 years ago

I'm curious about the training itself. Does the training actually teach you how to do things like niche and keyword research, how to get ranked in the search engines, and get traffic. I've come across some Empower Network blogs being that I work in the IM niche, They have all sucked and eventually get outranked.

Joey

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Captain Kent

12 years ago

to me, its pure pyramid scheme! it does not work, and if it works out, it works out for them.

What they do, set up a website for you and give you the chance to publish

(but you dont publish in your site, and you sell their stuff, and you make their site more famous and thus them richer)

I dont like it, its dumb and you can do better on your own!

no need to give 50% of the revenue away!

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samrand

12 years ago

One last thing for real this time on this thread lol.
Regarding the blog I think people can underestimate
it's usefulness. There's a ton of clickbank products especially
outside IM products that you could get ranked for. Set up
reviews about them.

Google "why hemorrhoids" and there's an empower blog ranked
there for instance. Not the greatest keyword but utilized
correctly is can prove very useful. That particular blog
is doing the google dance cuz it has been number 2 on google
but I don't think it's ever left the first page though.

Not sure if he's making any clickbank sales though
on that hemorrhoid product because his call to action
in my opinion sucks.

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drewfioravanti

12 years ago

Has anyone actually done any of the expensive training programs? And if so, are they worth it? I mean...do they really deliver $1000 worth of value? Do they just tell you to buy solo ads?

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Mike Linley

12 years ago

Originally Posted by drewfioravanti

Has anyone actually done any of the expensive training programs? And if so, are they worth it? I mean...do they really deliver $1000 worth of value? Do they just tell you to buy solo ads?

I just got back from the EN Event in Austin and bought the 15K formula which is the 1K dollar product and first let me premise it by saying I have been in Internet marketing and SEO for more than 5 years as you can see by my join date and have bought literally hundreds of WSO's dating back to 2008 and tons of BIG IM courses like Mass Control and Ryan Deiss and tons of other big lauch and big ticket items to educate myself on everything from SEO to IM and going through the 21 modules(they are 2-6 hours each) and I can honestly say I am learning new advanced strategies that I have never seen before and it's well worth it and I plan on doing very well working Empower Network just part time since I run a full time SEO company for corporate fortune 500 clients.

I did my due diligence as always before joining Empower and it is 100% totally legit and I am glad we are keeping the low life out and the negative people on the sidelines while we make a small fortune and change our lives! Some of these posters really could use the mindset changes that EN teaches and they would actually be successful for the first time in their pitiful lives!

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Austin E Anthony

12 years ago

So much about this EN lol. Looks like everyone I know is promoting them LOL

I am not into EN but I don't see why it worn't work. I mean, if I refer you, I make money and then you refer your friend, you make money, your friend refers your aunty, he makes money....

Who knows, maybe everyone on earth will become EN members one day and then what happens? Start referring aliens? LOL

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WorkWithMorgan

12 years ago

I think it's pretty badass. I just got back from the Austin, TX event and it was a game changer for me. It's made me thousands of dollars and I look forward to working with them for the foreseeable future!

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robertlramos

12 years ago

I don't understand why people say the company will be shut down. I'm in EN and the educational tools from blogging to solo ads are phenomenal. You can use these tools and info to build your primary business. People get scared because the money is too crazy.. and it is! Come on 100% commissions and they do the selling for you? That's insane! All we do is drive traffic to our squeeze pages and let our auto-responder do the follow ups? Some of the products are being revised as we speak to be current with todays IM world. People are going to pay WAAAAYY more going through the trials and errors themselves so why not buy the education and learn from people whose done it??? Plain and simple EN sells IM game at it's finest! Don't hate because our sales videos convert like crazy and WE keep 100% of the money. Yes EN sells a hell of a dream. But doesn't corporate America? Work 40 years of your life to earn 40% for retirement? What MLM or Affiliate Marketing company DOESNT sell a dream??? If your married or have a significant other, you sold a heck of dream to him or her!! Don't hate because EN sells dreams better than you. Join us or just keep your little commission from whatever company your promoting. Obviously they're dream of paying you 30-50% commissions is ok with you. Worst case scenario if EN does get shut down (which it won't) I have learned soo much to where I can be successful ANYWHERE online. "You can take my money but you can't take my skills!"

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dburris7

12 years ago

I signed up for their service, but plan to drop out because all you're doing is trying get people to sign up under you, to make money.

The reason why I plan to drop out is because you have one guy that was homeless, and the other a recovering addict. Does this not raise a concern, on how well they can run a company? It does for me!

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by dburris7

I signed up for their service, but plan to drop out because all you're doing is trying get people to sign up under you, to make money.

The reason why I plan to drop out is because you have one guy that was homeless, and the other a recovering addict. Does this not raise a concern, on how well they can run a company? It does for me!

Amazing, are you being serious? So anyone that has ever had a problem with addiction is not capable of being successful? EM aside you need to seriously rethink this one.

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haslow 12 years ago

Sorry man that you had to waste your money. It is a pyramid scheme. All the money in hEmpower Network is from selling the empty box or bag. I have a bag of sheeite which you buy from me, now go sheeite in another bag and you have 2 which you get 2 other people to buy and tell them how excellent the sheeite is and to do the same thing, and so on and so on until somebody is left holding the bag! Oh, and so I don't get labeled as a pyramid scheme I will provide some training on how to sheeite in the bag. Live and learn. Better to cut your losses now or just become a crack dealer. Basically the hEmpower Network is just digital crack! As far as the Davids being homeless and a addict, I think that is just a story they made up so they could deceive the public making everyone think you can be a skid row bum today and a Donald Trump tomorrow.
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MaxTheMarketer

12 years ago

I guess I will grab the mic once again and just share my opinion of it which is double-sided (to be realistic and down-to-earth).

First off, let's be honest with each other and really see for what it is (or many ways how it can be interpreted at least).

EN is selling products where the product is supposed to teach you how to make money and literally what you are supposed to do is to get people to buy the very same thing you just bought.

Now, a friend of mine is doing just fine with EN (about $10-20k per month; however he spends probably 5k per month on buying solo ads etc.,) but I am thinking of how many people's economical lives he has actually destroyed (it's actually too painful for me to imagine, so I just won't do it).

Yes, many people make money on EN, but at what cost? And of all those people who bought, did they REALLY get anything for their money? Did they get money for the money in a sense?

For example, I sell dating advice to american men (Sweden is still too a political correct country so here that kind of stuff is looked upon as just too weird) so here the results they are looking for, are provided: pick-up lines, ways of flirting, how become more attractive etc.,

This kind of thing can be massively reproduced because the value is inherent in the content itself. However, when you sell something that is supposed to give you money by you selling the very same thing you were sold, we are getting into trouble my friend.

We are getting into trouble, simply because of the laws of physics, or maybe economics; where in the whole world are all the money coming from? (I bet you think just like me; money does not grow on trees.)

And you're right! Money comes from PEOPLE, living human beings with problems etc., and many people that I see come to EN, are almost broke, they have children they need to feed and now they threw their last savings into something that is most likely, just another pyramid scheme? :O

And people who sold them are just happy that they made sales off someone whose children are starving to death? You probably understand now why I get a bad stomache when I think of selling something like this... T_T

So, this is DOUBLE-EDGED; yes, you can make money and you will most likely make money if you get the right people to see the landing pages since they are über-optimized to grab people who do not understand pyramid-scheme, and those who are just so desperate to have enough money to go by each month...

People being happy that they made money through EN should invest some of their money to help people in need because you are actually almost kicking someone who is already lying down on the ground by successfully selling EN.

(No this is NOT to thrash-talk; this is just the TRUTH)

Conclusions
- Can you make money through EN? YES!
- Do you REALLY help lives by doing it? YES a few, but most NO!
- Is it ethical/something you can feel good about when you go to bed at night? NO!

This brings me back to my classical statement I always begin my courses with as a caveat in Internet Marketing and Marketing in general:

"Don't try to sell sand in the sahara desert, focus on selling winterjackets on the north pole"; in other words, don't try to sell something people do not really need or want, sell something people actually need or actually do want or desire!

(Yes it makes common sense, but if so, WHY are still so many people allured by EN? Because it promises the impossible, the magical, it speaks to the inner ape of us; yes I am an evolutionary nerdballer myself!)

I wish the best to everyone's success there, but please also learn to make money by helping people, not just fooling them or abusing their weaknesses.

Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

P.S. I agree with haslow regarding the "story". Storytelling is extremely powerful (something I go through in my second module, LOL, marketing on a marketing forum? You bet!).

When you tell a story where you gone through a seemingly impossible journey (from bum to millionaire) it makes other people think, "Oh, if HE DID IT with all his past, then I most likely will be able to!".

The power behind stories is this; we RARELY think critically when we listen to/read them so we take everything about for granted inside the story without thinking about the probabilities of the details mentioned in the stories.

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CrossCreations

12 years ago

What's do you all think about... Dave calling people a 'weenie'? Are you all OK with that? ie. You are a 'weenie' for not being "all in" right away? (ie. buying the entire store of products).

I'd be embarassed to send anyone to that and actually refer to it as a 'business'. WEENIE??? Are we in high school?

The 'training' I've seen is mostly upsells to get 'all in' or else be a 'weenie'...??? Then
Dave says he refuses to speak with anyone who's not 'all in' and recommends you don't
either. So ya busted your butt to get people, then screw 'em if they don't shell out the
big bucks right away.

Offer $25 bait, then call people names like 'weenie' if they do not 'GO ALL IN" and spend MUCH more and refuse to even speak to them if they don't? All under the umbrella of "Release Your Inner Bad Ass" Oh MY!

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12 years ago

Empower Network is a real product through which anyone with real intention to earn can earn money. You need to work on it, it's not a push button product. You have to give time for this, like other money making business.

You can earn if you follow the ways they showed.

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WorkWithMorgan

12 years ago

I find it pretty hilarious that Empower is being accused of being a "scheme" and not on the up & up.

Especially on an Internet & affiliate marketing forum. One has to wonder at the sheer number of sales of products sold elsewhere to would-be marketers that produced ZERO results.

All of the sudden, a bunch of people are making money in a deal and people are getting all worked up about it because they don't get it.

Empower is legit, get over it.

If it's not your thing, that's fine. No harm, no foul.

Since when does a system have to be perfect for everybody?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by WorkWithMorgan

I find it pretty hilarious that Empower is being accused of being a "scheme" and not on the up & up.

Especially on an Internet & affiliate marketing forum. One has to wonder at the sheer number of sales of products sold elsewhere to would-be marketers that produced ZERO results.

All of the sudden, a bunch of people are making money in a deal and people are getting all worked up about it because they don't get it.

Empower is legit, get over it.

If it's not your thing, that's fine. No harm, no foul.

Since when does a system have to be perfect for everybody?

You are quite right about the last line, the system doesn't have to be perfect for everybody. Hey, as long as you make enough money to hold a bunch of money in your hand for a snappy profile picture. Well done, who gives a shit about the suckers at the bottom, there always has to be a loser right, that's life.

Its similar to Bernie Madoff, make outrageous claims of returns, get more money in, pay off early investors with new money thereby proving huge returns are true, get even move money in, repeat the process until there is no one left to invest .... suckers, you should have come in at the top.

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Oliver Williams

12 years ago

I was involved when they first came out I used solo ads only to drive traffic and made money with that method then I decided that I didn't like the business model very much so didn't continue with it.

This system can work if you work at it however I see the offer everywhere now and I imagine the conversion rate would not be so great.

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Michael Field-Dodgson

12 years ago

Empower will make you money.

I signed up, but having been in Amway (and done very well for a time) I got the immediate feeling of de ja vous. From the hyped videos, to the carefully selected "random" interviews at get togethers.

It is, however, MLM and the digital products within the network are those that earn you the money.

There are several levels from products costing less than $100 to products into the thousands.

You sign people up, they start investing in the products, you earn commission based on a preset formula. You help the people you signed up to sign people up............................

So really, the products are merely a means to an end - the products look very good - but in my opinion the sign ups is where the money is.

Tell me, if you sign up and buy the whole package of products worth thousands, will you have time to sponsor people properly, as well as taking action on the content of the products?

So in essence you are not building a business, but building a network of your own which is part of a larger network: hence the impressive earning figures.

Hey, as I said it will make you money, but I have been there done that in another niche if you like and it does absolutely nothing for me.

As the man with the wooden leg said - "It is a matter of opinion" get it? a pinion

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fong47

12 years ago

So, what is the Verdict? Join or not? I see that there are tons of people promoting EN online.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

Originally Posted by fong47

So, what is the Verdict? Join or not? I see that there are tons of people promoting EN online.

It really comes down to how good are you at driving traffic to the lead capture page. If you can't get at least 100 opt ins per day, you will not be able to make decent money.

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adamj2

12 years ago

Originally Posted by davidbatchelor

It really comes down to how good are you at driving traffic to the lead capture page. If you can't get at least 100 opt ins per day, you will not be able to make decent money.

I am certainly not getting 100 opt-ins a day (more like 20 to 30) and I have made around $34K total with EN so far.

100 opt-ins a day is my goal within the next few months though, and then I expect some even more exciting results to take place

But affiliates can do very well for sure without needing really super high amounts of leads each day.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by adamj2

I am certainly not getting 100 opt-ins a day (more like 20 to 30) and I have made around $34K total with EN so far.

100 opt-ins a day is my goal within the next few months though, and then I expect some even more exciting results to take place

But affiliates can do very well for sure without needing really super high amounts of leads each day.

Hey Adam,

Don't take my word for it, that came directly from David Wood. So if you choose to disagree with him, no biggie.

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scorpy21

12 years ago

Hmm i want to join but i also like to know more about that 20$ extra that you have to pay, is that monthly fee like 25+20 / mo or its just one time fee?
And for those who say "ohh noes i cant sleep at night cuz i`ve done that bad thing" i can say only this: you dont build a list to make friends, but to make sales. you want friends? go to facebook and spam the crap out of it with friend requests.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by scorpy21

Hmm i want to join but i also like to know more about that 20$ extra that you have to pay, is that monthly fee like 25+20 / mo or its just one time fee?
And for those who say "ohh noes i cant sleep at night cuz i`ve done that bad thing" i can say only this: you dont build a list to make friends, but to make sales. you want friends? go to facebook and spam the crap out of it with friend requests.

Actually I would have to disagree with that. The focus of the list should be to add value and then sales are a by product of that.

It is morally wrong for EN members to simply take money off people joining without offering to help them. Just as morally wrong as those new people to come onto forums like this to ask for help when they want it for free and have paid their money to someone else.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by scorpy21

Hmm i want to join but i also like to know more about that 20$ extra that you have to pay, is that monthly fee like 25+20 / mo or its just one time fee?
And for those who say "ohh noes i cant sleep at night cuz i`ve done that bad thing" i can say only this: you dont build a list to make friends, but to make sales. you want friends? go to facebook and spam the crap out of it with friend requests.

It is a monthly fee.

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scorpy21

12 years ago

I havent asked for moral guide lines here, i`ve just said my opinion and asked a question that you disregarded in your replay to me, as that was my main concern.
Sorry if i`m rude

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scorpy21

12 years ago

Thank you, that was easy no?

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Anyhow i`ve decided not to give them my money and my time as they dont mention that on their sale page and also after i saw the bad reviews they get from ppl with 200+ posts on here.

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davidbatchelor

12 years ago

So you are sarcastic as well?

Why bring up a point of it isn't relevant or you simply don't want people to respond to it?

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- taranisman 12 years ago
  
  Whew. That took a while. Just wanted to chime in for a sec and give my humble opinion.
  
  EN: I was a member of EN for three months. I blogged...and blogged...and blogged. Isn't that one of the most hated things about internet marketing? Writing endless "unique" articles? I'd like to think that I'm a pretty good writer and that it's something that I actually enjoy. Writing reviews of IM products and launches, which is what most of the EN blogs that I find are doing, is booooring as hell. One of the things that I have learned is that if you don't like it, and aren't interested in it, you will fail.
  
  Are you prepared to write 50 articles for your blog, and hope that they get ranked high enough to get traffic? I was. I did. Nothing. I ran classified ads on any free site I could fine. I got some clicks, but not one single sign up. It sucked.
  
  I watched the videos. Listened to the two Daves ramble on about your "mindset" and bought into it. I didn't want to be a wussie...lol. I couldn't afford the $1000 bucks so I didn't go "all in" as they say. They must have some really revolutionary stuff in the $1000 training. Because what I learned about how to blog and use EN was from YouTube videos. Not from the training.
  
  There was nothing in there that I haven't learned on my own, from WSO's and other IM products. Sure there are some real bird cage liner WSO's out there, but as opposed to going back to college, I feel as though I am paying for my "real world" education. One that actually teaches you how to make money for yourself, not for others. Which is what EN is all about.
  
  It's a basic WordPress blog. So, you pay, $25/mo + $19.95, + $19.95 for an auto-responder (which they forget to tell you to get until you dig around) and you get to blog on WordPress...wow. No theme variations, no plugins, no customization of any kind whatsoever. Every person on EN uses the EXACT same blog. Sure you can change your picture at the top, but that's it.
  
  You would think that it will become so saturated and weak that it has to fail sometime. But it hasn't. Yet.
  
  I will say that if you can get just two people to sign up and stay signed up, it will pay for most of your costs, advertising not included. If you are making money with EN then more power to you.
  
  I prefer to keep control of my intellectual property and market my ideas as I see fit. Maybe I haven't made as much as some of the EN guys, but when I promote or sell something I can feel okay about it.
  
  If I coerced any family member or friend to sign up for EN, I just wouldn't like myself in the morning.
  
  There are many FREE places to get the same information that you will find inside EN. Including here. See you just learned something...Also the link to the article in the post above is a great read. Just be careful and do your homework. Out.
  
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by marc7

Is anyone familiar with or have experience with the empower network?

Empower network is cool. You have the option to do your own thing on their "done for you" SEO blogging system or promote their products which you can earn %100 commission. I've joined and in about 2 weeks I have hit #1 on google for a keyword I was working towards. So I like it. It is also like Network Marketing where you have a team that helps and assist you grow.

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ajaxmike

12 years ago

Originally Posted by sabatek

Empower network is cool. You have the option to do your own thing on their "done for you" SEO blogging system or promote their products which you can earn %100 commission. I've joined and in about 2 weeks I have hit #1 on google for a keyword I was working towards. So I like it. It is also like Network Marketing where you have a team that helps and assist you grow.

Hey that's great that you are still positive after 2 weeks. Let us know how it is going in 3 months.

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scorpy21

12 years ago

haha so i subscribed to this webinar to see what its about. so first they say that is live , guess what? i hit refresh on my browser to see and bam!!! here its starts again from 0. ok i`ll go with that so its not live, but as soon as you start the so called live webinar he jumps in the BS about how much money ppl made from his crap. 5 min and got bored to hell. great way to build trust .....or not.
Dude if you somehow log on this forum pls dont bore us to death with that crap, its boring rly!!!!

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by scorpy21

haha so i subscribed to this webinar to see what its about. so first they say that is live , guess what? i hit refresh on my browser to see and bam!!! here its starts again from 0. ok i`ll go with that so its not live, but as soon as you start the so called live webinar he jumps in the BS about how much money ppl made from his crap. 5 min and got bored to hell. great way to build trust .....or not.
Dude if you somehow log on this forum pls dont bore us to death with that crap, its boring rly!!!!

hahaha i get what u mean.

My opinion?

1. MLM can get u rich quick, even if not quick, it still has potential to get u rich or at least some money.

2. It is doable, it does work, it is not necessarily bad. Depending on how it is done. There are ethical MLMs. Insurance are an example of regulated and legal MLM. [in most countries where insurance agents earn by commissions]

BUT, BUT, if you are looking for a long sustainable business, MLM is not the way. Period.

There will come a time where it is totally saturated, those who want to buy already bought, then those who will never buy, will never buy. And there isnt any new ppl to target.

Hence, when this happens, the new memebers will not be able to survive in the company, then will quit. Noone wants to pay and pay monthly and not profit.
Once the newbiees quit, the level above them cant survive too.

So do u see the picture, layer by layer your pyramid tears and fall apart.

So its not a sustainable business model.

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eyevad 12 years ago

About 17 years ago i had just bought a house where i live in the north east of England, i needed some extra money on top of my job, so i looked at NM
A friend of mine warned me that there were a lot of networks out there that it was simply impossible to retail the product due to either no direct selling experience or simply overpriced products that you could never sell,

Imagine my surprise when most Networks i went to see (and i,m talking dozens) only talked about the dream, (hype, hype, hype) and never how to earn a regular £100 per week extra on top of your job (thats what i wanted - sorry but $5000 a month does,nt do it for me) i looked and looked until 1 (ONE) ethical company (who i,m no longer with - i was with them for 7 years) came along and showed me the retail side only, my 1st week in 1996 i earned over £130 and in my 1st month £460,

Now i was never a big hitter but still had regular £2000 months part-time (Retailing the Products 80%, money from downline 20% and at least 3 of my downline went on to earn a damn site more money than me - THATS REAL NM)), my sponsor and friend went on to earn regular 10k-13k months (his network was selling to the end user customer over £400,000 worth of products per month)

Will Empower work - i dont know, part of the problem is that years ago you had to recruit friends and family into the Network, therefore (unless you were an unscrupulous *******) you would be careful of your promises, now along comes the faceless recruitment composition of the internet and recruiting people miles away and who gives a shit whether they succeed or fail!!

I see something very sinister in this, i,m not interested in the people earning mega bucks on film, i,m interested in the people who will get forced into the dream ONLY, and lose a lot of self dignity as well as money

i will say this for the record - i NEVER met anyone in my area that was earning money in another Networking operation other than the one we were in

Good Luck with this - i think you,ll need it!!!!!
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12 years ago

The weird thing is how people get so lathered up and jump in to condemn people who join opportunities like this. Some of these negative posts could have easily taken an hour to write, lol!

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ajaxmike

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ZNICK

The weird thing is how people get so lathered up and jump in to condemn people who join opportunities like this. Some of these negative posts could have easily taken an hour to write, lol!

Why do you care?

ZNICK,

What is positive to me is that some people DO care about their fellow human beings (apparently you are not one of those). They try to help someone make a decision that is right for them and they are even willing to generously give an hour of their time to help someone else. Perhaps they feel they are warning someone from making a big mistake; perhaps they are encouraging someone to take the step towards a more abundant life; or perhaps something in between. There are few here just to recruit, but most people are just trying to help.

Come on Z, isn't that Warrior Forum is all about: People asking for help in the form of opinions, experiences, advice?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by ajaxmike

ZNICK,

What is positive to me is that some people DO care about their fellow human beings (apparently you are not one of those). They try to help someone make a decision that is right for them and they are even willing to generously give an hour of their time to help someone else. Perhaps they feel they are warning someone from making a big mistake; perhaps they are encouraging someone to take the step towards a more abundant life; or perhaps something in between. There are few here just to recruit, but most people are just trying to help.

Come on Z, isn't that Warrior Forum is all about: People asking for help in the form of opinions, experiences, advice?

Nothing against u Znick, and i do agree with you to a certain extend, but mike is right too.
Its all about discussions in forum.

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John34

12 years ago

I am looking to join Empower network but would love to join under someone who has already made some money with this network and can help me a bit.

Feel free to PM me if you are already a member.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by John34

I am looking to join Empower network but would love to join under someone who has already made some money with this network and can help me a bit.

Feel free to PM me if you are already a member.

Wow, ur profile pic looks like u dont need this network. haha

U already have money and girls?

Unless they are ur sister or mother. hehe

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mikezac

12 years ago

I just read a post about someone looking for a leader to join.. I laugh again!

Do you actually think that this person has a magic wond? Any thing or any money you make will be based solely on your effort, comprehension and adaptability to take what you learn and use it to grow YOUR business.

Like any other business. No one is going to build your business for you.. Really.. take personal responsibility for yourself. Whether you join Empower or any other business.. Get down to the bottom line.. its completely up to you. there is NO magic button.. That is why the owners talk so much about how much people complain and are fearful of success.. we all have been where you are.. If you join someone who is making $500,000 or just make their first $25. Once they were in your shoes. Only difference is you. They got out of their own way. make a decision to do it or leave and look elsewhere..

Empower will get you trained.. its not free. will cost you to learn.
They are a training company who has a high ranking blog platform.

People who join.. they do learn how from successful internet marketers.. Will cost you money to learn.. Just like college.. more like a masters or phd level training..

This is the only company that I've seen that assumes you do not know how to market.. which is 180 degrees different then everyone elses company who expect you to know everything and then make the owners money first and then you..

I don't post to this forum too often... If your scared.. don't do it...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by mikezac

I just read a post about someone looking for a leader to join.. I laugh again!

Do you actually think that this person has a magic wond? Any thing or any money you make will be based solely on your effort, comprehension and adaptability to take what you learn and use it to grow YOUR business.

Like any other business. No one is going to build your business for you.. Really.. take personal responsibility for yourself. Whether you join Empower Network or any other business.. Get down to the bottom line.. its completely up to you. there is NO magic button.. That is why the owners talk so much about how much people complain and are fearful of success.. we all have been where you are.. If you join someone who is making $500,000 or just make their first $25. Once they were in your shoes. Only difference is you. They got out of their own way. make a decision to do it or leave and look elsewhere..

Empower will get you trained.. its not free. will cost you to learn.
They are a training company who has a high ranking blog platform.

People who join.. they do learn how from successful internet marketers.. Will cost you money to learn.. Just like college.. more like a masters or phd level training..

This is the only company that I've seen that assumes you do not know how to market.. which is 180 degrees different then everyone elses company who expect you to know everything and then make the owners money first and then you..

I don't post to this forum too often... If your scared.. don't do it...

There are actually HUGE differences in regards to who you join under Empower Network. Some "leaders" or members inside Empower Network have their own teams where they do live calls, webinars and keep in touch with one another to make sure their team is going in the right direction. Others have their own SYSTEMS actually built towards using Empower Network as a vehicle to generate commissions. The top earner on Empower is an example. The dude made $1 Million Dollars in a little over a month with his system he introduced to his team members. So YES. There is a HUGE difference and there are benefits in joining under the right sponsor.

Aside from that, I agree with your success completely being dependent on the amount of effort and work you put into your business. No one can guarantee your success but yourself.

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reseller7

12 years ago

Russell, I've received your message (Kano Marketing, is that you?) Why would I join HTA, then EN and then BIM? Why wouldn't I just join EN and be a part of BIM? Thanks

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eyevad

12 years ago

Originally Posted by reseller7

Russell, I've received your message (Kano Marketing, is that you?) Why would I join HTA, then EN and then BIM? Why wouldn't I just join EN and be a part of BIM? Thanks

He would,nt have you necessary join HTA (Which IMHO is a fantastic product) but B.I.M is just another way of getting you into Empower with a new splash on doing it,
Oh Yea they will give you sooper dooper training etc etc etc, but its still EMPOWER and its nothing more than money pushing,
I laugh when i hear people say "oh i earned this" - No you fricking did,nt, Someone passed money up to you by having very basic and dubious product in place,
Heres a idea for you, Go and join Empower at the most basic level and see how far you get, you will blog until your hands drop off, Thats why they want you to join at the higher levels, Its pyramid selling if i ever saw it
This kind of marketing will leave a trail of debris wherever it goes, and if you lose out (which most will) well tough, Eventually so many people will lose out at this, it will be looked at closely and it will close down....

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All in all, Empower Network is the best $25 I ever spent on anything online. Just the search engine/highly-ranked blog alone was worth it for me.

A lot of folks say that of after you pay the $25 then there's $100, $500, $1000 "upgrades" so it has to be a scam. To that I say it's just like getting a value meal at a fast food joint: You can order the basic value combo meal and still get full but if you are really hungry and need a little extra food to get full then you upsize to get more food to satisfy your hunger... Just an example.

So if you want to get the minimum amount of income in Empower then just come in at the $25 level and you can make money BUT... It will take you a lot longer then it would if you upsize to a premium product which gives you even more value and enables you to make more money faster.
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kingrich21470

12 years ago

lol..... Empower Network.

What is the Empower Network, all i see is recruit people, no customer based, no end user products .

Is this where all everyone when from all the "Cash Gifting" programs to the empower network?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by kingrich21470

lol..... Empower Network.

What is the Empower Network, all i see is recruit people, no customer based, no end user products .

Is this where all everyone when from all the "Cash Gifting" programs to the empower network?

Do you also think the same about affiliates pushing WSOs since there is no physical product? Empower Network's product is training. Great training. And then many also promote the training as affiliates with a muti-tiered compensation plan.

I don't understand why so many who have no experience with it have decided to jump on the negativity bandwagon.

You may notice that there are many of us that have been around for a while who have gotten involved. There's a reason for that.

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by emathieu

Do you also think the same about affiliates pushing WSOs since there is no physical product? Empower Network's product is training. Great training. And then many also promote the training as affiliates with a muti-tiered compensation plan.

I don't understand why so many who have no experience with it have decided to jump on the negativity bandwagon.

You may notice that there are many of us that have been around for a while who have gotten involved. There's a reason for that.

Instead of jumping on kingrich21470, why don't you explain what your selling on the Empower Network?

I don't care how much money anyone can/will/did/gonna make, what is the product your selling?

I looked at the website, all I see is hype & what looks like a pyramid scheme. I didn't see a product.

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I see training & money talk, training for what, how to recruit the next guy (pyramid scheme)?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Instead of jumping on kingrich21470, why don't you explain what your selling on the Empower Network?

I don't care how much money anyone can/will/did/gonna make, what is the product your selling?

I looked at the website, all I see is hype & what looks like a pyramid scheme. I didn't see a product.

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I see training & money talk, training for what, how to recruit the next guy (pyramid scheme)?

No, the training can be used to sell ANY product - not just selling the Empower Network products as an affiliate.

I'm not "jumping" on anyone - I think my question and statement is quite valid.

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kingrich21470

12 years ago

I looked at the "BBB" website on so called "Empower Network Inc."

Letter Grated: C-

And there are about 16 complains about this company.

And not here to blow smoke on a company, I did my homework on the company, i should charge a service fee for this fining..... lol

Better Business Bureau
Rip-Off-Reports

Take a look at those websites.... And remember guys do your research on companies
before spending your money.

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12 years ago

kingrich21470 I am not with Empower Network but thinking about joining. Looking at the complaints which aren't many and seem to be solved what is your point are you for or against Empower Network.

I am still on the fence deciding on joining Empower Network but once again what is your point I could look for complaints to any company or products and put them up on this forum. You can not satisfy 100% of the people.

I am sure you could look up fantastic reviews about Empower Network and find many also. I'm not with Empower Network and I assume you are not also so how can we make a proper judgement about them.

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IncomePitbull

12 years ago

There are always bound to be negatives to anything you lookup. The point is, Empowered Network is what it is! If it isn't for you, then don't join. Simple as that. I have friends who make only matrixes and boards.. While the legal technicality in the USA makes them non-legit, that doesnt stop thousands from joining them! Every single one of them know exactly what it is that they are joining from the get.

So do your own homework, and make your own conclusion.

Empower Network does have a product. They do pay you your earnings! They do what they say they are going to do, and it is as simple as that. Apparently they must have done something right to get a PageRank of 4 and over 40k members. They have also grabbed the attention on some big bigtime marketers.

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12 years ago

For the guy who doesn't know how to get their own traffic/signups/sales/leads, then they really should find the right sponsor. You are looking for someone with a proven track record in many different avenues (not just that program!). Someone with a team, and their own little network going on. Some sponsors have their own system/training site in place to help share "their" knowledge and help. So by joining a sponsor with a 3rd party system setup for EN will help you get even more value for your buck!

Find a sponsor who CAN help you, and isn't another program hopping bum holding a sign at the edge of the street!

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12 years ago

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12 years ago

wow, this is a monster of a thread.

First off, I am not a customer of EN, and will never be one. However, EN in my opinion is a great training program in place, but you have to weigh up the pros and cons of this program.

You have to blog everyday (plus link building tools or services which is a extra cost, if you decide on going down this path.) If you decide not to, then you can pay for traffic to your NEW custom capture page i recommend you getting on. You will need an advertising budget depending on how fast you wanna build. Here is the problem, mountain on many different problems. They say, ermm preach you to blog everyday, even if you are marketing through paid advertisement because it shows new members it can be achievable and duplicatable.

I know a lot of EN who do not blog and only use paid ads, that is not a problem, however network marketing (or whatever you wanna call it) is about duplication. Plus newbies may not have the budget.

The next problem, you need to make answer calls and TELL your current downline or prospect dont be a pu**y and upgrade.

That is outright madness...

Plus, the residual income and matrix in my opinion is pretty weak, in order to really make money you have to keep selling other levels just like an affiliate.

That is why I got out the affiliate marketing game dont want to keep looking for different products to market.

The company I am in, I can buy my downlines, have a call center close the sales for me, have a physical product and the cost is minimal. The name of the game is duplication, duplication for newbies to follow without feeling lack of success.

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12 years ago

Personally, I've been doing Internet marketing for 5 to 6 years now and then power network has been the easiest money I've made so far. Granted, I did have marketing experience coming in, but the money really is that easy once you generate high-quality leads. I made a post on craigslist two days ago, Sunday night, for $50 in two categories, already made two sales from that totaling about $250 so far and one of them might upgrade to the $1000 product, not bad if you ask me… :-)

As for the actual products you get, what you actually get is insanely amazing and high-quality Internet marketing training, the training Is the best I've ever had my entire IM career and while yes it is rather expensive at some of the higher levels, you are paying for really good quality education and get Internet marketing training you can use anywhere. (And of course, it's nice that you can make 100% commission selling this same training yourself). If anybody has any product specific questions, feel free to let me know and I'll be happy to answer them

Edit: sorry for any typos, I'm typing this with Siri using my iPhone and I don't feel like going back to edit them LOL

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by eljeffe77

I made a post on craigslist two days ago, Sunday night, for $50 in two categories, already made two sales from that totaling about $250 so far and one of them might upgrade to the $1000 product, not bad if you ask me... :-)

Did you purchase any specific training course on how to setup and utilize Craigslist for your advertising? Those numbers are very impressive I must say.

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Originally Posted by serendipitous1

Did you purchase any specific training course on how to setup and utilize Craigslist for your advertising? Those numbers are very impressive I must say.

Nope. Just played around. Used an image and a text add in two differen posts for testing. Image ad gets me 30+ leads per day. Usually good for 3-4 days before they trickle down. If you need help with cl stuff hit me up :-)
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renanrbm

12 years ago

The EN works for people overseas of USA?

How they pay for people like me in Brazil? Anyone have a clue?

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Originally Posted by renanrbm

The EN works for people overseas of USA?

How they pay for people like me in Brazil? Anyone have a clue?

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Yah it works fine. I've got a guy from chile under me. You use the en e-wallet, pays directly to your checking account. I hope this helps!'
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nobluff

12 years ago

If all you can do is sell one of their 4 or 5 products then its a pyramid scheme dressed up in sheep's clothing. It will end, its inevitable.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by nobluff

If all you can do is sell one of their 4 or 5 products then its a pyramid scheme dressed up in sheep's clothing. It will end, its inevitable.

So just the guys at the top get rich?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by eljeffe77

So just the guys at the top get rich?

Nope, it would go something like this:

top people = Stinking Rich.
below top = Rich.
middle people = lots of money.
below middle = profitable enough.
bottom = suckers or Wussies as per your glorious leaders as they will eventually bow out.

But you already know that. Where are you in the money making standings?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by nobluff

Nope, it would go something like this:

top people = Stinking Rich.
below top = Rich.
middle people = lots of money.
below middle = profitable enough.
bottom = suckers or Wussies as per your glorious leaders as they will eventually bow out.

But you already know that. Where are you in the money making standings?

I started at the bottom, but blew right past the suckers and wussies (as you put it), hopped over the profitable enough, and am currently in the "lots of money" zone moving towards the rich.

Pretty good trajectory. And oh btw, I make a lot of money outside of the IM niche too.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by jasondinner

I started at the bottom, but blew right past the suckers and wussies (as you put it), hopped over the profitable enough, and am currently in the "lots of money" zone moving towards the rich.

Pretty good trajectory. And oh btw, I make a lot of money outside of the IM niche too.

Well done, add crack to your product line and you're a real winner.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by jasondinner

I started at the bottom, but blew right past the suckers and wussies (as you put it), hopped over the profitable enough, and am currently in the "lots of money" zone moving towards the rich.

Pretty good trajectory. And oh btw, I make a lot of money outside of the IM niche too.

Don't hate the player, hate the GAME baby!!

No one is telling you get to involved. But you're knocking something you don't understand completely.

Maybe you should stop wasting your time bitching in here and go out and make some money. lol

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by jasondinner

Don't hate the player, hate the GAME baby!!

No one is telling you get to involved. But you're knocking something you don't understand completely.

Maybe you should stop wasting your time bitching in here and go out and make some money. lol

right back at you. Ill stop bitching when you stop pushing your poison while hiding behind your justification. I don't hate the player (you), you can make as much money with EN you like, I don't care. I hate what the game will end up doing to the unsuspecting victims, that is why I am here "wasting" my time .

It all comes down to ethics, some people ignore them to make a profit, others deny there is anything unethical and make a profit. While I disagree with the people that ignore the ethics, I respect them a hell of a lot more than the others that deny and justify the unethical nature of the type business they are involved in. I wont lose any sleep, they wont lose any sleep, its just the type of person that they are.

Also, to the people comparing EN to WSO's, 95%+ of the WSO's I have bought have a money back guarantee.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by nobluff

right back at you. Ill stop bitching when you stop pushing your poison while hiding behind your justification. I don't hate the player (you), you can make as much money with EN you like, I don't care. I hate what the game will end up doing to the unsuspecting victims, that is why I am here "wasting" my time .

It all comes down to ethics, some people ignore them to make a profit, others deny there is anything unethical and make a profit. While I disagree with the people that ignore the ethics, I respect them a hell of a lot more than the others that deny and justify the unethical nature of the type business they are involved in. I wont lose any sleep, they wont lose any sleep, its just the type of person that they are.

Also, to the people comparing EN to WSO's, 95%+ of the WSO's I have bought have a money back guarantee.

I don't see anything unethical about making money helping other people make money with solid products on how to market anything online. I've been around a while and have learned a ton from their products and how they market.

But i guess we can agree to disagree on that one.

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nobluff

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jasondinner

I don't see anything unethical about making money helping other people make money with solid products on how to market anything online. I've been around a while and have learned a ton from their products and how they market.

But i guess we can agree to disagree on that one.

Its called denial, you can call it whatever you like. The bottom line for anyone reading this, in simplified terms:

Lets pretend for a second there are only 63 people in the world.

Person 1, creates a pyramid type product.
P1 sells to P2,P3
P2 sells to P4,P5
P3 sells to P6,P7
P4 sells to P8,P9
P5 sells to P10,P11
P6 sells to P12,P13
P7 sells to P14,P15
P8 sells to P16,P17
P9 sells to P18,P19
P10 sells to P20,P21
P11 sells to P22,P23
P12 sells to P24,P25
P13 sells to P26,P27
P14 sells to P28,P29
P15 sells to P30,P31
P16 sells to P32,P33
P17 sells to P34,P35
P18 sells to P36,P37
P19 sells to P38,P39
P20 sells to P40,P41
P21 sells to P42,P43
P22 sells to P44,P45
P23 sells to P46,P47
P24 sells to P48,P49
P25 sells to P50,P51
P26 sells to P52,P53
P27 sells to P54,P55
P28 sells to P56,P57
P29 sells to P58,P59
P30 sells to P60,P61
P31 sells to P62,P63

Which means everyone makes money except P32 to P63. So if you don't care about P32 to P63 carry on regardless.

In the end (and there will end), the real winners will be the owners of EN:

1. They will have a huge list of buyers.
2. They will have a huge list of desperate people looking for quick money.
3. They will have gathered a huge amount of money.
4. They will have hordes of marketers that will defend them to the death.

I can already see the e-mail when it all stops .....

Dear EN users,

We had a good run, we made some money, unfortunately the evil [insert whatever you like, e.g. government, haters, banks, wussies] got us closed down on a ridiculous technicality, do not fear we will be fighting this in the courts, blah, blah, blah.

The good news is we now have a new and improved network, and we have
removed the issues that has temporarily closed down our other company, so while we fight the good fight, you can still earn money by joining our new
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by nobluff

right back at you. Ill stop bitching when you stop pushing your poison while hiding behind your justification. I don't hate the player (you), you can make as much money with EN you like, I don't care. I hate what the game will end up doing to the unsuspecting victims, that is why I am here "wasting" my time .

It all comes down to ethics, some people ignore them to make a profit, others deny there is anything unethical and make a profit. While I disagree with the people that ignore the ethics, I respect them a hell of a lot more than the others that deny and justify the unethical nature of the type business they are involved in. I wont lose any sleep, they wont lose any sleep, its just the type of person that they are.

Also, to the people comparing EN to WSO's, 95%+ of the WSO's I have bought have a money back guarantee.

Out of curiosity? Did you go to college? If so, did your college or university offer a money back guarantee? This is not a rhetorical question...

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by eljeffe77

Out of curiosity? Did you go to college? If so, did your college or university offer a money back guarantee? This is not a rhetorical question...

WSO = money back guarantee
College or university = no money back guarantee
congratulations, WSO is not comparable to college or university on the basis of money back guarantees.

Out of curiosity, what wouldn't you do for money?
Out of curiosity, you have a friend with his last $5000, he needs a job to support his three kids, he knows you are making a killing at EN, he has know idea its a pyramid scheme, would you encourage him to go all in @ EN? Would you warn him about the risks?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by nobluff

WSO = money back guarantee
College or university = no money back guarantee
congratulations, WSO is not comparable to college or university on the basis of money back guarantees.

Out of curiosity, what wouldn't you do for money?
Out of curiosity, you have a friend with his last $5000, he needs a job to support his three kids, he knows you are making a killing at EN, he has know idea its a pyramid scheme, would you encourage him to go all in @ EN? Would you warn him about the risks?

I don't recall Making a WSO comparison, but if I did - I'm sorry. I'm getting my best friend into EN tomorrow actually. He's NOT down to his last $5000, and he knows it's NOT a Pyramid Scheme - not sure why you keep making that delusional generalization.

Here's what the EN is.
$25/month - High Page Rank Blog on their site
$100/month - Inner Circle - 100+ HOURS of Audio Training
$500/one time- Costa Rica training - 20 HOURS of Video Training
$1000/One time - $15k per month training - 40 HOURS of video training
$3500 One time - Masters Retreat Training - Awesome Video Training

The only one i DON'T have is the $3500 one time payment masters program, which I've heard great things about.

So there you go, there are the products I have and paid for.

They've made me a better marketer, and even If I chose NOT to promote the Empower Network as an affiliate - I've STILL learned a ton from them and would re-join in a heartbeat. It's the real deal, you can drink your haterade all you want - but EN is great, and it's not going away.

I can understand if they made a crappy little product to sell for the affiliates so they can "pretend" it's legit - "hey look at me, I'm selling a real product!" - but the fact remains this is some of the best IM training I've come across in my life. It truly is a marketing education.

Seriously, I'm not going to try to sell you on it, I can tell you've already made up your mind based on some presumptions you have - but if you want to chat with me more on skype so I can clear up anything else for you - PM me for my skype ID.

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drewfioravanti

12 years ago

The training is pretty amazing. Much better than all of the course I have bought put together. And the free training is great too.

I was skeptical at first. I thought "why the hell would I want to buy a Wordpress theme"? Then I came to realize that the value is not in the theme or the "platform" as much as it is in the training you get.

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12 years ago

Outstanding company with OUTSTANDING leadership. If you have joined or are thinking about joining, I fully endorse the company. You will be able to post professionally written blogs that generate tremendous exposure on the Search Engines.
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The products are amazing and the compensation plan is strategically designed to help people make quick decisions and it pushes you to the limit. Dave and Dave are genuine "REAL" people who understand what it takes to build a powerful network.
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paultheseer

12 years ago

One thing that is not being mentioned here is this, you cant use facebook pay per click (if you try you will lose your account so beware) NONE of the solo advert providers will touch it. Half of the training talks about those methods and those methods are now not viable. Those people who are so called "leaders" were in at the start when facebook didn't ban them and they flooded the solo advert providers also, or they already had big lists. Sure they will go on video and tell you they started with nothing but that just isn't true. I have watched a lot of the training and if you strip away the fluff you are left with nothing special that you can't learn for free from blogs and give away products. Someone else mentioned it, if you want to blog all day its easy to setup Wordpress will a cheap hosting won't cost you $25 a month. I even tested it against setting up a new blog and my own blog registered with google faster

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by paultheseer

One thing that is not being mentioned here is this, you cant use facebook pay per click (if you try you will lose your account so beware) NONE of the solo advert providers will touch it. Half of the training talks about those methods and those methods are now not viable. Those people who are so called "leaders" were in at the start when facebook didn't ban them and they flooded the solo advert providers also, or they already had big lists. Sure they will go on video and tell you they started with nothing but that just isn't true. I have watched a lot of the training and if you strip away the fluff you are left with nothing special that you can't learn for free from blogs and give away products. Someone else mentioned it, if you want to blog all day its easy to setup Wordpress will a cheap hosting won't cost you $25 a month. I even tested it against setting up a new blog and my own blog registered with google faster

Yup, I tried using PPC for Pure Leverage and got suspended. I think you can promote a post or something that is linked to a review page or something. You can't promote Empower Network or PL directly.

Google Adsense suspended my account too... All within the same couple days. They didn't even give me a warning. They are reviewing my case though. I argued the fact they didn't warn me at all. My splashpage didn't have Empower Network on it. They went directly to my site and found a link for EN.

Yet Bing didn't give me any troubles at all.. I can't afford to go all in with Empower Network so I am with Pure Leverage to start. It's much cheaper and they have more tools.

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12 years ago

What I don't understand about EN is that so far I have failed to come across any 0f their main sites that do a decent or even remotely decent job of educating prospects about the biz opp and what the whole damn thing is about.

I mean all I see usually is some long lenghty videos of usually the 2 Davids speaking. On the page that shows up before the $25 dollar sign up page, u r left with waatching a video of about 45 minutes of 2 guys sitting and talking, and yet even after watching all the video, I was left still guessing what this whole EN is about and more importantly how I could make money from becoming its member.

So isn't there 1 official EN website that does fully educate the prospects about it rather than joining on impulse just cause they have so many members. Their bog which every one gets does not really engage and educate the prospects - I mean if someone was to land on their blog page, say from search engine, they could not really figure out that what is on offer here is a lucrative biz opp.

I am finding all those long emails that I have been getting from EN (and offcourse long boring videos with no content but all fluff talk) very irratating now

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Jeff Lenney

12 years ago

Originally Posted by smak

What I don't understand about EN is that so far I have failed to come across any 0f their main sites that do a decent or even remotely decent job of educating prospects about the biz opp and what the whole damn thing is about.

I mean all I see usually is some long lenghty videos of usually the 2 Davids speaking. On the page that shows up before the $25 dollar sign up page, u r left with waatching a video of about 45 minutes of 2 guys sitting and talking, and yet even after watching all the video, I was left still guessing what this whole EN is about and more importantly how I could make money from becoming its member.

So isn't there 1 official EN website that does fully educate the prospects about it rather than joining on impulse just cause they have so many members. Their bog which every one gets does not really engage and educate the prospects - I mean if someone was to land on their blog page, say from search engine, they could not really figure out that what is on offer here is a lucrative biz opp.

I am finding all those long emails that I have been getting from EN (and offcourse long boring videos with no content but all fluff talk) very irratating now

I hope this helps?

Empower Network: Blog System

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goodewealth

12 years ago

I want to add to that @earlcash....know good keywords and have the content that is worthy of reading. It is honestly not just about blogging daily. I had started with someone else when it first started and she did just that and got nowhere....showed me proof of her back office and even allowed me to go in and take a peak. This woman blogged for 4 straight months on every thing from EN, tips she got from others along the way (self proclaimed gurus), cooking ideas and even another business NPN that she is in and she only got sales from people she directly emailed the link to at that time which was the count down clock in bigger script. Now, me on the other hand I did keyword research and got down to business DID NOT blog daily like she did and did fairly well. I kept my blog content solely around IM and marketing tools that others would need to be successful because I knew since we were sharing the $25 buck idea that most would want to try it out first....never the less I was correct and that helped a great deal. But, I have to say just telling someone to blog everyday...they better have a sense of direction that the trend is following to make it do what it does at EN

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donfre

12 years ago

Empower Network blog is 67% affiliates, 33% retail (according to David Woods own testament)

Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. If the money you make is based on your sales to the public, it may be a legitimate multilevel marketing plan.
If the money you make is based on the number of people you recruit and your sales to them, it’s not. It’s a pyramid scheme.
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lessthancoffee

12 years ago

Why do I see so many Empower Network affiliates/associates/salespeople creating really bad made-up reviews on other other MLM companies - and then quickly changing the subject on those reviews to signing up to EMP because it will help them promote the company that they are negatively targeting in their review?

They all appear to be just leeching of the search traffic of other MLM companies' names to get people to sign up for Emp Network and to either pay for training or to sign up and sell EMP.

I have seen this done to the detriment of more than 1 company I do business with and I would like an explanation from somebody in the know. It almost seems like part of EMP's blogging training is for people to target other MLM companies by bashing them thru SEO results, then to get them to sign up for the Empower Network opportunity. Your comments would be appreciated since you do seem like you are in the know

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Ahlairiue

12 years ago

Originally Posted by lessthancoffee

Why do I see so many Empower Network affiliates/associates/salespeople creating really bad made-up reviews on other other MLM companies - and then quickly changing the subject on those reviews to signing up to EMP because it will help them promote the company that they are negatively targeting in their review?

They all appear to be just leeching of the search traffic of other MLM companies' names to get people to sign up for Emp Network and to either pay for training or to sign up and sell EMP.

I have seen this done to the detriment of more than 1 company I do business with and I would like an explanation from somebody in the know. It almost seems like part of EMP's blogging training is for people to target other MLM companies by bashing them thru SEO results, then to get them to sign up for the Empower Network opportunity. Your comments would be appreciated since you do seem like you are in the know

I am in Empower Network, (Team Freedom Avengers) I've been in for a year and I can tell you that "reverse-negativity" blog marketing is not the basis of Empower's teachings...

Oh course there's an old marketing adage out there that if you put the words "scam" or "review" in your title or blog header then you will get quite a bit of traffic to the site because a lot of folks online are looking to review things before they join or purchase them. This is not the case with most of the experienced bloggers such as myself. (Blogging for 4 years)

The training that Empower has is filled with great and ethical strategies that actually enabled them to rank high on Alexa at # 149 nationwide (US) currently and #422 worldwide and that's out of millions of websites!! So if there was anything unethical going on in Empower Network, it would've already been shut down and Google would of slapped it back up into the hundred-thousand rank range long ago.

What is taught in Empower is to produce great and valuable content that benefits viewers from all sorts of niches instead of just writing "spam copy" that's filled with nothing but garbage.

So my point is that, some people still use "old school" business models to gain traffic to their site. This is not the Empower business model. Granted, this technique will get you traffic but we have to make sure that when viewers land on the page, they're getting fresh, un-scraped and beneficial honest content.

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FranckBlevinal

12 years ago

Hi everyone.

i would like to start the next week a marketing strategie with
Making It Simple2Advertise

Does someone has already worked with this company?
If yes, what is really the concept?
Did you get serious results?

They don't seem to answer to our emails.
This is what I noticed.

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Lanx

12 years ago

from what i found out simple2advertise is just another company that has EN landing pages to advertise EN. i guess they need an entire new domain or something to host so ppl can get their ads through?

correct me if i'm wrong.

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Lanx

from what i found out simple2advertise is just another company that has EN landing pages to advertise EN. i guess they need an entire new domain or something to host so ppl can get their ads through?

correct me if i'm wrong.

Yeah, Empower Network has been banned by YouTube, Facebook, and Craigslist, so they need other ways to spam their stuff on those properties.

I'm sure they told their members there were other reasons why they created a new domain to use. Probably fed them some garbage about why YouTube, Facebook, and Craigslist banned them too.

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joseph7384

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Yeah, Empower Network has been banned by YouTube, Facebook, and Craigslist, so they need other ways to spam their stuff on those properties.

I'm sure they told their members there were other reasons why they created a new domain to use. Probably fed them some garbage about why YouTube, Facebook, and Craigslist banned them too.

You can also add most solo ad providers, Paypal and the Warrior Forum to that list.

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avnavarro

12 years ago

If you don't have a list of subscribers of at
Edit 20000 or so don't bother, your rowing your money away. This is how the top dogs begin to make money, nt the newbies

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John34

12 years ago

Can anyone tell me if we can customize the look of Empower network blog? Is it possible to change/remove the top and right side banners?

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Originally Posted by John34

Can anyone tell me if we can customize the look of Empower network blog? Is it possible to change/remove the top and right side banners?

Yes. Absolutely. Change themes
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cypherslock

12 years ago

John, yes you can. EDIT: One member here whom I know personally is doing 5k a month consistently, because he stuck with it. *shrugs* I'm taking a look again myself to add an income stream.

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dmanti

12 years ago

I sponsored 2 people in the past 48hrs. Made $400 for my efforts... just wasn't with Empower. Sorry guys.

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smak

12 years ago

I haven't yet come across any single EN website that does a convincing job of educating me about the biz opp. I am on their mailing list and fed up with their long videos or conferences where after watching them, you are still not sure as to what the actual biz is and how you make money.

This is why I get very surprised to read about their raving success. But if I cannot convince myself, how can I convince others to join. And it is this issue that has prevented me joining so far.

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StrongVitality

12 years ago

Originally Posted by smak

But if I cannot convince myself, how can I convince others to join. And it is this issue that has prevented me joining so far.

A lot of people that are already in it don't even understand what they really got into so you're not alone there.

When you really boil down to it, all Empower Network is, is a tool/training to bring the leader out of anyone. Think about it, all the successful people are leaders and were extremely persistent and driven.

Not all people are willing to battle through times of hardship and depression within their business and that's why a lot of affiliates within EN fail and will always fail.

If you're looking to get into it for quick cash, think again.

If you want to develop a mindset more powerful than most of the people walking on this earth, get all the products.

If you have any specific questions I'd be glad to answer.

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dmanti

12 years ago

Originally Posted by StrongVitality

A lot of people that are already in it don't even understand what they really got into so you're not alone there.

When you really boil down to it, all Empower Network is, is a tool/training to bring the leader out of anyone. Think about it, all the successful people are leaders and were extremely persistent and driven.

Not all people are willing to battle through times of hardship and depression within their business and that's why a lot of affiliates within EN fail and will always fail.

If you're looking to get into it for quick cash, think again.

If you want to develop a mindset more powerful than most of the people walking on this earth, get all the products.

If you have any specific questions I'd be glad to answer.

Ya but there are a few biz ops out there that offer similar if not better training, without having to be up sold to the next level. The company I am with is a perfect example of that. I believe in what I am promoting, that's why I am doing so well lately.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by dmanti

Ya but there are a few biz ops out there that offer similar if not better training, without having to be up sold to the next level. The company I am with is a perfect example of that. I believe in what I am promoting, that's why I am doing so well lately.

Awesome to hear man! Keep it up and
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dmanti 12 years ago

Originally Posted by StrongVitality

Awesome to hear man! Keep it up and
you'll be living the dream soon

Not long before I am there!
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jchoros

12 years ago

I chose not to join because of the higher levels and inner circle stuff, I'd rather just pay one fee and not be upsold. It looks especially bad if you're marketing to people who are new to internet marketing.

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dmanti

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jchoros

I chose not to join because of the higher levels and inner circle stuff, I'd rather just pay one fee and not be upsold. It looks especially bad if you're marketing to people who are new to internet marketing.

And you shouldn't have to.

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Looking at this thread, it's clear to see that the only people calling it a scam are the people that didn't make any money...And to base your opinion off of that is wrong.

Empower offer products whether it be the blog or the training. Being able to profit from "re-selling" them is a bonus.

If you buy any of the latest "make money" products, guess what? You can re-sell them as a affiliate (most even encourage it inside of the members area).

So are all of these products scams too?

I think not.

You need to take it at face value, of what it actually is - products/services with the ability to resell and earn commissions if you choose to do so.

Also, I'd like to point out another thing - Empower isn't "banned" from anywhere apart from FaceBook (you can still post ads though) and now here (WarriorForum).

Solo Sellers haven't banned Empower on the grounds that it's a scam, they "banned" them because their list has already been exposed to the offer several times. Heck, them refusing to send Empower related ads is doing you a favour (saving you cash). Oh, and its only "some" sellers, it's easy enough to find sellers that do mail for Empower.

As for PayPal? Empower removed them (and other processors) due to the fact that you would be handling your own payments, thus making you the "customer support" for your members and no one wants to be a customer service rep.

The affiliate fee covers the cost of a dedicated support team amongst other things.

People are too quick to comment without knowing/seeing the bigger picture.

Had the people committing that it's a scam actually picked a method from inside of the $15k formula and taken DAILY action as well as listened to the inner circle trainings, read and "empowered" others for the full 90 days, then maybe...Just maybe their results would have been different..Actually I know if they would have followed the plan for the full 90 days they would have seen SOME sort of results thus resulting in them not "quitting".

What's the famous saying?

"Winners never quit, and quitters never win".

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Richmark

12 years ago

I know a lot of the Empower Network guys have used Solo Ads in the past and a lot now are having trouble finding Solo Ad sellers that will take on anything to do with Empower Network, so Solo Ads for the Empower Network promotions might not be the best answer just now, but then again, I could be wrong. :rolleyes:

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Richmark

I know a lot of the Empower Network guys have used Solo Ads in the past and a lot now are having trouble finding Solo Ad sellers that will take on anything to do with Empower Network, so Solo Ads for the Empower Network promotions might not be the best answer just now, but then again, I could be wrong.

Well, not to sound to "blunt" but you are wrong and actual statistical figures prove this.

Some of the top earners are using solo ads to generate sales.

The thing is, people are looking at solo ads wrong.

A solo ad is nothing more than a way to add subscribers to your list. If you get sales in the process it's a bonus.

Too many people have the idea that you simply buy a solo ad and get instant sign ups.

No.

You use the solo to add people to your list, you then connect with them and sell them "idea" regarding Empower and what it has to offer.

Like I said above, if you get sales off the initial ad thats a bonus.

Again, within the $15k formula there are multiple training videos regarding solo ads, where to get them, where to find decent sellers and so on.

If your going to the same sellers as hundreds of other Empower users, all using the same default capture pages of course your not going to see results (I'm not saying dont use their capture pages, I've seen terrific results with them).

Follow the proven strategies inside the $15K formula then "think outside of the box" then come back to me and say "solos dont work".

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Richmark

12 years ago

Yes, that's true, BUT, I was just making that statement that a lot of Solo Ad Sellers will not send clicks to Empower Network promotions any longer.

Check out a few solo ad sellers and you'll see seller after seller stating now Empower network promos.

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Richmark

Yes, that's true, BUT, I was just making that statement that a lot of Solo Ad Sellers will not send clicks to Empower Network promotions any longer.

Check out a few solo ad sellers and you'll see seller after seller stating now Empower network promos.

See my two previous comments.

Also, when you state they no longer accept Empower, it means they no longer accept the default empower landing/captures pages.

Stop being lazy and create your own squeeze page and follow up sequence (like I said before) and your in business.

Also, it would be wise to look for sellers in other places...not just the Warrior Forums classified section and that "same old ezine" list that everyone in the game has used.

Birds of a feather flock together (or something like that).

People don't join opportunities, they join other people. Reflect this in your squeeze pages and emails and you will be getting sales left, right and center..

Damn, I should be charging for info like this...

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jchoros

12 years ago

EN is a good system and lots of people make money at it, espescially the people on WF apparently, I wanted to join but I looked at the income disclaimer and I think it said 75% or something like that make less than 100 bucks a month.

Again not knockin' it, 95% of businesses fail in the first year no matter what it is! If you want to go for EN do it, see if it's for you. If you fail dust yourself off, get back up and try something else, eventually you'll find something that excites you and leads you to success. I know that's exactly what I'm going to do.

The key is if you want something, know what that something is and act on it. That's true no matter what the company is!

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jdjenkins 12 years ago

Empower Network has an easy to use blog, which is basically a customised/simplified version of Wordpress. You can change it a bit yourself, by altering the header image and the widgets, which is pretty easy.

The capture pages convert really well, and the training is good quality. The emphasis at the beginning is on self-improvement, and actually the whole system is just as much about leadership training as making money.

A couple more points to mention - it's sold as a "$25 blogging system", but if you want to earn affiliate commissions, you have to also pay a $20 monthly fee. This is one of the ways the company covers it's costs. Another way they receive income is that the highest-price product sells for $3500, of which the company receives $500.

The other point is the 100% commissions. Of the sales that are allocated to you, you do receive 100%. Actually what happens is that you receive 100% from 3 out of your first 6 sales, and then 4 out of every 5 sales. So you could say the commission rate is 50% to start with, and then changes to 80% after 6 sales! Anyway, the "loss" of those payments is more than covered by the fact that you receive 100% commissions from an infinite downline.... It's probably easier to understand if you watch one of the videos about it!

One final thought - just because a system doesn't work for a number of people, it doesn't mean it's a scam. Empower Network is very much like many other businesses - if you start at the lowest level with very little cash to spend, it will most likely take a very long time to make a decent income from it. The people who tend to make money the quickest are those that invest heavily right at the start - both in terms of their time and commitment, as well as money.

Treat it as a real business, and take time to educate and improve yourself, and then your results will soon start to improve too.
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schrotbe

12 years ago

Hello All,

Just joined this Warrior Forum and I joined Empower Network last week under Team Take Massive Action. I work this maybe 2 hours a day you start at $25 a month and you can pay an affilliate fee of 19.95 per month to sell their product. If you do not want to sell their product then you do not have to open a merchant account and pay the fee. Each level you go up is different training on internet marketing and your mindset. $100 a month gets you into the inner circle which are audio from the top internet marketers in Empower Network. Then you continue to upgrade to Costa Rica Intensive, 15K formula, Masters Course and now even have a Video hosting site. If you want to check it out I can send you information or if you are available the next event is in Denver 19-21 July and you can private message me if you are in that area or interested in attending to find more out about it. I do this part time I have been in the military 17 years going on 18 years and I am eligible to retire at 20 years so I found something else that can supplement my income per month then eventually go full time. Who can't use an extra $200 a month working 1-2 hours 5 days a week? I don't know of anyone. Glad to be a part of this forum. As for the MLM Empower Network is MLM 100% commission if you are an affilliate of their products yes but isn't a business a MLM the CEO makes the most and on down VP all the way to a secretary except there you work hard and probably won't get a raise for a long time here you reap what you sew.

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12 years ago

Welcome to the forum!

It just occurred to me, we could with "Like" buttons, as well as the "Thanks" option on the posts

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Originally Posted by schrotbe

Hello All,

Just joined this Warrior Forum and I joined Empower Network last week under Team Take Massive Action. I work this maybe 2 hours a day you start at $25 a month and you can pay an affilliate fee of 19.95 per month to sell their product. If you do not want to sell their product then you do not have to open a merchant account and pay the fee. Each level you go up is different training on internet marketing and your mindset. $100 a month gets you into the inner circle which are audio from the top internet marketers in Empower Network. Then you continue to upgrade to Costa Rica Intensive, 15K formula, Masters Course and now even have a Video hosting site. If you want to check it out I can send you information or if you are available the next event is in Denver 19-21 July and you can private message me if you are in that area or interested in attending to find more out about it. I do this part time I have been in the military 17 years going on 18 years and I am eligible to retire at 20 years so I found something else that can supplement my income per month then eventually go full time. Who can't use an extra $200 a month working 1-2 hours 5 days a week? I don't know of anyone. Glad to be a part of this forum. As for the MLM Empower Network is MLM 100% commission if you are an affilliate of their products yes but isn't a business a MLM the CEO makes the most and on down VP all the way to a secretary except there you work hard and probably won't get a raise for a long time here you reap what you sew.

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zippaz23

12 years ago

For those of you that are saying that EN is a scam because they don't see a physical product, but rather educational information, is college a scam? I paid over $50,000 to go to college and many people who go to a major university pay a lot more! When you go to college, what are you paying for? You're paying to learn educational information. I never got any physical products besides maybe some expensive text books.

And for anyone that is complaining that you have to spend money to have any chance at making a decent living with The Empower Network, this is true for any type of internet marketing business or any brick and mortar business for that matter. There are exceptions, but this needs to be treated like a business. Businesses require advertising and the more paid advertising that you can do, the better your chances of success become. Just like a brick and mortar business, you can use free advertising methods, but the odds odds of you being successful are slim. It can be done, but it will take a lot of time, patience, trial and error, and constant education. Using paid advertising will speed up the process and put the odds more in your favor.

I own 2 pizza shops and I spend around an average of $1500 a month on advertising. When I first opened them, I spent a lot more. It was a while before I even made a profit. I didn't just throw money at anything. I did my research and my own testing first to see what was the most effecting way to advertise and what the lifetime value of a customer was worth. By knowing the lifetime value of each customer, I was able to determine how much I could spend on each method of advertising to make it worth it. If I would have just stuck to using free advertising methods (facebook,twitter,email,etc.), I don't think I would have been open for long.

So to get back to my point, if you want a real shot at being a successful internet marketer, whether it's Empower Network or any other company, you need to treat it like you were opening a brick and mortar business. You need to have a budget to work with, so you can do the right types of paid advertising that will increase your odds of success. If you don't have any money, then maybe it's not the right time to start. Get a second job, find another way to make extra money, or start budgeting your money better so you can start saving up money to get into an internet marketing company with the ability to use paid advertising. I'm not saying that you can't join a company and use free methods. Just don't set your expectations too high and be prepared to be patient. Just start small and then scale your efforts up. The same goes for paid marketing. Start small at first, until you find something that works, and then scale up the amount that you are spending on it.

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Jesus Perez

12 years ago

Originally Posted by zippaz23

One last thing is that you don't have to use the E-wallet with Empower Network. You can use your own credit card processor if you want to (such as authorize.net). So for the people that were saying that EN is scamming you out of more money by forcing you to pay $19.99 a month to use E-wallet, that's not true. You don't have to pay $19.99 to use E-wallet, you can use your own cc processor.

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zippaz23 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

You're wrong. Straight from the source.
Authorize.net Removed From Payment Processor - Copyright © Empower Network, LLC

I didn't realize that. Either way, most Authorize.net resellers have a monthly gateway fee of $20 anyways.
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Justin Says 12 years ago

Originally Posted by zippaz23

Is college a scam? I paid over $50,000 to go to college and many people who go to a major university pay a lot more!

I will simply say one thing here.

Yes.

Link: 35 Shocking Facts That Prove That College Education Has Become A Giant Money Making Scam
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lordkensal

12 years ago

All I would say to people who are sceptical - just give it a try for a month or so. Surely it is worth satisfying your own curiosity. At basic level it is not expensive - and if doesn't work for you fine. But the majority of people who take the action and join - get GOOD results.

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Josh Monroe

12 years ago

Originally Posted by lordkensal

All I would say to people who are sceptical - just give it a try for a month or so. Surely it is worth satisfying your own curiosity. At basic level it is not expensive - and if doesn't work for you fine. But the majority of people who take the action and join - get GOOD results.

Whilst this seems like the most logical thing to do, 97% of the people reading this won't do it because guess what, it requires taking action which like I say - 97% of people are to <insert lame reason> to do?

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dancemaster

12 years ago

I was a member of EM i didnt make much money ijoin Pureleverage that is just like em,but alot better

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wingsfan

12 years ago

I joined EN 3 months ago under one of the top earners. I have not made any money. She keeps claiming most of her downline is making $10000 a month. I think I am pretty gullible

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StrongVitality

12 years ago

In my opinion your success should have nothing to do with your sponsor. I believe it doesn't matter who you join but what team you join. Thank god my team allows us to buy members

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ysckyler

12 years ago

Originally Posted by StrongVitality

In my opinion your success should have nothing to do with your sponsor. I believe it doesn't matter who you join but what team you join. Thank god my team allows us to buy members

That kinda defeats the purpose doesnt it? The whole point of a mlm structure is to build upon your new business with thriving downline.

If you purchase the members, whose paying you in your business? If you purchase the member, and he decided to quit shortly isnt it detrimental to your business and also set up a bad example?

Just curious on this struture your team has set up.

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Mikaedi88

12 years ago

One member of EP, Gavin claims he's made over 12.000k in the last 6 weeks..honestly, if it sound s too good to be true, it usually is..

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Jenna619

12 years ago

Empower Network is Legit and know many Good marketers that are making over 10k per month...

most people that do affiliate marketing are banking tiny commissions...

with empower you can get up to $3,000 per sale...seems like SMART affiliate marketing to me..

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Macel

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jenna619

Empower Network is Legit and know many Good marketers that are making over 10k per month...

most people that do affiliate marketing are banking tiny commissions...

with empower you can get up to $3,000 per sale...seems like SMART affiliate marketing to me..

Hi,

With the $25 investment for blog platform, does that include opt-in forms and autoresponder services or do you have to get these as additional tool?

Macel

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GinaMSI 12 years ago

Thank you all so much for your input....and I will steer clear of this Empower crap and all the other nonsense in my inbox lately.....I've been secretely fighting back, though....when I get one of these douche e-mails, I reply with "back at ya"....and send them a clickbank hoplink which I've been sadly considering myself! I've even had a couple e-mails back with...."What's the commission structure on this product"......hahaha....hell if I know! Just replying back bs with bs!

I so appreciate this forum and so glad I joined. Have been reading for a while now on reviews of various things and I always check here before I sign up for anyting....hence....I haven't signed up for anything! LOL!

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  when I get one of these douche e-mails, I reply with "back at ya"....and send them a clickbank hoplink
  
  I don't.
  
  I don't want them to know my email address is live and attended. Junk like that just multiplies if you contact these spammers: they can sell your email address on to other people. Best just to "report spam" to your ESP, then delete, and ignore, I think.
  
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  Thanks Alexa....
  
  Maybe that's why I'm getting THOUSANDS of e-mails a day now. Now I have to dig for important work e-mails from law firms, etc.....I'm new and trying to learn from all this, but wow, these people are desperate sharks! Will take your advice and not reply from now on.
  
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MelanieandMiles 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Macel

With the $25 investment for blog platform, does that include opt-in forms and autoresponder services or do you have to get these as additional tool?
Macel

Macel, the autoresponders are not included.
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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Jenna619

Empower Network is Legit and know many Good marketers that are making over 10k per month...

most people that do affiliate marketing are banking tiny commissions...

with empower you can get up to $3,000 per sale...seems like SMART affiliate marketing to me..

Well said...I met David Wood 3 years ago at No Excuses Summit before Empower Network was born. I joined right before the San Diego event, its was a few blocks from my condo in Gaslamp.

I know many....many...people that are having success with them. I made a few thousand and then got out to focus on my own course/product. I guess I am not much of a team player....haha

It's not for everybody....also not a get rich quick scheme. You need to learn how to Blog and Market your business, you also need a marketing budget for Solo Ads and Joint Ventures.

That's my 2 cents....

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Marian 12 years ago

If their training is that powerful - I would believe. Because the more people you get under your belt - you'll have to find something that would keep them paying.. and one powerful way is to educate them for like months or even years promising them they will recruit at least that many people themselves.

And while on 'educating' them and brainwash...oops, brainstorming you'll get beautifully paid.

'Great' stuff indeed! Have you held your own EN check yet?

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Kayster13

12 years ago

Yes it is an MLM but the WP blog you get for your minimun investment also gets you a high authority ranking in short order.

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marktheonlinesurfer

12 years ago

Empower Network is a scam! It is a load of crap! Empower Network is a glorified MLM/Pyramid scheme that one day is going to fall hard!

I feel sorry for the people that following for this old trick.

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Jeff Lenney

12 years ago

Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer

Empower Network is a scam! It is a load of crap! Empower Network is a glorified MLM/Pyramid scheme that one day is going to fall hard!

I feel sorry for the people that following for this old trick.

It's a scam, yet I learn from them and they pay me thousands weekly. Go figure

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lordkensal

12 years ago

lol! Yes - my heart bleeds for the 100's of people who are getting a regular revenue from this - and getting a solid internet marketing education at the same time ..... oh, wait a minute, That would be me. There are 2 kinds of people in this world - those that just get on and do, and make decent money - and those that sit around pondering and procrastinating AND don't make money.

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Jason Moffatt

12 years ago

It cracks me up when people who have no clue what they are talking about label Empower Network as a scam or a pyramid. I actually enjoy it because it shows me just who is and isn't worth even spending a second to talk to. Some people just walk around with their heads up their own asses much of their life.

You can lead a horse to water, but it's tough to lead a skeptical internet marketer one foot in front of the other. Nor should you really try. It's usually a waste of time.

I haven't promoted Empower Network that much other than some Facebook posts here and there, and mailed my list about it a few times. However I just logged in to check some stats and it seems that this morning I just passed $88,000 in 7 months.

Not too shabby for something I really haven't spent much time on.

The truth is, EN has some of the best training out there. I've seen it all. They have a solid system with people who truly care. And I'd be willing to bet almost any amount of money that they have more successful money earners than anyones program on the Warrior Forum or anyone in the guru crowd.

EN has a corporate compliance and legal department that is so far beyond what 99% of all internet marketing companies possess.

Bottom line is..... THEY KICK ASS! And in my opinion, anyone who tells you different is either bitter, has no clue what they are talking about, or is jealous and just wants to hock you their stuff instead.

I challenge anyone to show me a company that produces better results than Empower for internet marketers. Show me that company, and I'll be promoting them.

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MelanieandMiles

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Art of Marketing

Empowered is certainly not a scam.

I do think seasoned marketers especially those with assets such as database of subscribers who trust their recommendations already and traffic generating knowledge definitely have an advantage with Empower that newbies do not.

-Art

Absolutely right-on.... The one other thing we'd add is how saturated the Empower Network is.

Makes it very tough for the up and coming marketers to gain market share (and make a profit) when EN has been splammed, banned or hammered by seasoned marketers for quite some time, now.

But, if you have a list of 20,000+ MLMers, EN would be a great option.

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Jenna619

12 years ago

This thread is full of love and hate..total Soap Opera Here LMFAO

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12 years ago

You can't complain about Empower if you haven't put in the effort to build up your blog. There are EN support packages out there. There is a $125 package that stocks your blog with daily content, gets you backlinks from other MMO sites, and gets you on Twitter. It's all about reducing your costs.

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GinaMSI

12 years ago

Hi all....I am new to all this and have considered Empower Network, but there's something seriously SMARMY about them.....I mean, seriously....those two ugly guys trying to look cool.....in FLORIDA, no less. I mean, it just screams white trash scam. Sorry.....I haven't signed up for anything yet....just a newbie to all this online business and I'm pretty sure it's all a racket, but trying to keep an open mind so if anyone has any advice for a complete newbie I would much appreciate it.

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GinaMSI

12 years ago

This is so weird.....can anyone tell me what you're actually SELLING wth Empower Network? Is it all a big secret? Or are you just selling the two douchebags selling the dream? So it's a pyramid scheme, aka Ponzi scheme. Don't you see anything wrong with that??

This is just my take on it, so please set me straight if I'm way off, but this just seems really unethical and wrong. I know people are desparate these days, but Jesus, don't rip people off.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by GinaMSI

This is so weird.....can anyone tell me what you're actually SELLING wth Empower Network? Is it all a big secret? Or are you just selling the two douchebags selling the dream? So it's a pyramid scheme, aka Ponzi scheme. Don't you see anything wrong with that??

This is just my take on it, so please set me straight if I'm way off, but this just seems really unethical and wrong. I know people are desparate these days, but Jesus, don't rip people off.

Listen to your "GUT" and act accordingly.

Personally, I'd steer clear. Been down this type of MLM road before and ain't going back - EVER!

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by GinaMSI

Hi all....I am new to all this and have considered Empower Network, but there's something seriously SMARMY about them.....I mean, seriously....those two ugly guys trying to look cool.....in FLORIDA, no less. I mean, it just screams white trash scam. Sorry.....I haven't signed up for anything yet....just a newbie to all this online business and I'm pretty sure it's all a racket, but trying to keep an open mind so if anyone has any advice for a complete newbie I would much appreciate it.

Happy Memorial Day!

Hi Gina,

I sent you a PM with an alternative to take a look at

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Hi Gina,

I sent you a PM with an alternative to take a look at

Basically, she's going to send you her own affiliate link for another program. Feel free to report her pm for spam
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Karthik Reddy

12 years ago

MLM's are designed to fail. Think about it, most people involved in MLM's move from one program to the other when the dust settles, so to speak.
MLM is never/will ever be a good business model. Do not let anyone fool you otherwise. Even the biggies Amway and HerbalLife are not able to sustain their so called "business". This empower network is nothing. Think,and take action.

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cypherslock

12 years ago

Optin forms are included and they're quite good. But AR you have to have separately, which if you're a business, shouldn't be an issue, as there's an AR out there for any budget.

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12 years ago

Just searching at Google and found this review:

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12 years ago

Show me 1 official EN site that does a decent job of engaging & educating potential prospect like me. There is that EN Blog but I think that does a hopeless job of showcasing the biz opp - all it has is some long winded videos of 2 ugly blokes waffling. You can easily spend hours going through that EN blog and still be no better off in terms of knowing bout the biz and how we make money. Ok on that blog, there is some video that is 1 hour long telling u about how you make money when it could all have been explained much effectively with a 10-15 powerpoint presentation.

Others are making money does not mean I will or anyone else who joins hoping to make money. Indeed there website is honest enough to suggest that 99% are not making any money from EN. I don't think EN sites do half a decent job of engaging and educating the prospects - I mean there is this EN webpage that always shows up before the sign up page where there is coutdown timer at start of 27 minutes I think and even after the27 minutes are gone, the video carries on for another 20/30 minutes - you can't even forward that video and all that video features is these 2 guys just waffling about how they made good after being bankrupt and homeless and there is nothing in the whole video that adresses the main issues that prospect like me have in their mind when joining such biz opps like how we make money and what exactly is the business or what we suppose to be promoting. To be honest after spending 1 hour on that video I was totally unsure to exactly what is on offer here and it left me fuming that I wasted 1 hour (just like their long videos on the blog).

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by smak

Show me 1 official EN site that does a decent job of engaging & educating potential prospect like me. There is that EN Blog but I think that does a hopeless job of showcasing the biz opp - all it has is some long winded videos of 2 ugly blokes waffling. You can easily spend hours going through that EN blog and still be no better off in terms of knowing bout the biz and how we make money. Ok on that blog, there is some video that is 1 hour long telling u about how you make money when it could all have been explained much effectively with a 10-15 powerpoint presentation.

Others are making money does not mean I will or anyone else who joins hoping to make money. Indeed there website is honest enough to suggest that 99% are not making any money from EN. I don't think EN sites do half a decent job of engaging and educating the prospects - I mean there is this EN webpage that always shows up before the sign up page where there is coutdown timer at start of 27 minutes I think and even after the27 minutes are gone, the video carries on for another 20/30 minutes - you can't even forward that video and all that video features is these 2 guys just waffling about how they made good after being bankrupt and homeless and there is nothing in the whole video that adresses the main issues that prospect like me have in their mind when joining such biz opps like how we make money and what exactly is the business or what we suppose to be promoting. To be honest after spending 1 hour on that video I was totally unsure to exactly what is on offer here and it left me fuming that I wasted 1 hour (just like their long videos on the blog).

Honestly, don't bother buying, I can tell from your comment that it's NOT for you.

But just incase you wanted to see what your actually getting, click the "join" page (or the conveniently titled "products" page) and it conveniently lists all the things you are getting with your $25 purchase (who'd of thought the join page would actually tell you what your getting..)

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Rocky Mountain Dude

12 years ago

Hey,

I was just doing some research on some IM ideas that I had saved in my favourites list for future investigating ... and found myself on this awesome discussion thread about EN.

First of all it's obvious there is a lot of hatred toward this organization.

But... I am wondering if it's derived from actual experience, either personal or second hand, or if they're simply making an irrational judgement?

I did not hear any negative comments based on them being a member and actually checking out their training materials. There was some comments about PLR and outdated SEO material; but I am not sure if that was factual or simply hot air?

I would be interested in finding out if they actually do offer a valuable training curriculum. Or what about Big Idea Mastermind, is there actually valuable IM training that could be transferred to other IM ventures or products.

If there is actual valuable training, how could anybody say this is a MLM scheme? Simply 'funneling' profits from your down line does not constitute being labeled as MLM,, in my opinion.

What I would really like to know from ACTUAL members is this:

"...is there actual, valuable, IM training that could be transferred to other IM ventures or products? If so please elaborate."

... and if so then it would seem they are not simply selling a dream.
... but if not, then I believe it is definitely nothing more then a MLM scheme selling a dream .

I am looking forward to some real answers based on experience, facts, and unbiased reviews!

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mb7269

12 years ago

There are hidden cost that you still have to subscribe monthly to get your EN up and running:
- The 125/month EN subscription
- The Auto Responder to make your system work
- The web hosting subscription
- e-wallet monthly subscription
The above are must have.

It is not cheap for anyone who is not sure what he is joining in to.
Based on some response here, it is difficult to get new leads due to EN saturation.

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cypherslock

12 years ago

Hidden costs...really? Good lord...web hosting is a requirement no matter what you do, whether you pay EN or someone else, auto responder, same thing, regardless. e-wallet, makes sense as they're being assessed a fee to use it as their payment platform (just like VISA assesses businesses fees which get passed onto the consumer in the total price), and as far as the 125 goes, the $25 is just for the blogging platform and hosting, the $100 is optional, can be added later and is in fact more training. If you've taken the time to do your due diligence, this stuff isn't hidden at all.

It's called cost of doing business, and compared to a brick and mortar start-up it is cheap. The rest comes down to your coach, and how hard you work. Saturation? nah, one gentleman I know started 7 months ago and is now in the $10k/month crowd and does it without the hype and slimeyness you generally see.

EDIT: I'm not a member, but the costs really aren't that much, especially if you put what you learn into practice. I just get tired of seeing how cheap some in the IM niche are.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

Hidden costs...really? Good lord...web hosting is a requirement no matter what you do, whether you pay EN or someone else, auto responder, same thing, regardless. e-wallet, makes sense as they're being assessed a fee to use it as their payment platform (just like VISA assesses businesses fees which get passed onto the consumer in the total price), and as far as the 125 goes, the $25 is just for the blogging platform and hosting, the $100 is optional, can be added later and is in fact more training. If you've taken the time to do your due diligence, this stuff isn't hidden at all.

It's called cost of doing business, and compared to a brick and mortar start-up it is cheap. The rest comes down to your coach, and how hard you work. Saturation? nah, one gentleman I know started 7 months ago and is now in the $10k/month crowd and does it without the hype and slimeyness you generally see.

EDIT: I'm not a member, but the costs really aren't that much, especially if you put what you learn into practice. I just get tired of seeing how cheap some in the IM niche are.

I agree with you cypherslock, I myself is not a EMP subscriber but have seen many of my clients making four figures per month and really happy about it. For some who couldn't hack it you know what happens.. as usual.

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Rich Roberts

12 years ago

I was a little tempted to join a few days ago but it didn't seem right to me. I really don't like how the commission structure is setup and what are they really selling anyway, it just seems like a pyramid scheme to me.

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BJ Min

11 years ago

I've been a warrior since 2007 and have made full time income online since 2008.

For me, joining Empower Network has been one of the BEST decisions since I became a full time internet marketer.

Like in any industry or field, there will be people who quit and there will be who succeed because they persevere through the challenges.

What I like the most about it is the mastermind aspect of it. I get to meet real life people who you can mastermind to become better at marketing as well as in your mindset.

I'm currently ranking #29 out of 150,000+ affiliates in Empower Network Denver event competition leaderboards and this is only 4th month into it.

I really think it's a great place for warriors to join because we have an advantage over most newbies who get into this business. We already know how to create our own unique squeeze page, sales page, autoresponders, and etc.

I think the KEY to success in Empower is to be UNIQUE. Create your own squeeze page, sales page, and autoresponders (It's basically what other top affiliates do as well for other affiliate programs). The reason why most fail is because they only use the cookie cutter systems that don't work as well. So if you are willing to put a little bit of effort into making your own UNIQUE squeeze page and funnel (which takes you a month at most), then you can do well at it (which I believe is for most warriors here).

So I always wonder why people complain about it. Most of the time, the people who complain about it are the people who quit, never really did much compared to the ones who succeeded, and just didn't persevere.

It was not easy for me in the very first month but it gets easier. The key is to focus on building your mindset and take action daily in your marketing. After some time, I started seeing consistent results and now I'm ranking #29 out of 150,000+ affiliates.

I also credit Vick Strizheus for being my mentor in the Big Idea Mastermind team. Being in this team helped me a lot to differentiate amongst all the other people in Empower Network who didn't really have a great bonus offer (which is the BIM system & training).

Anyhow, I know if you put your mind into and focus on it and persevere, anyone can succeed at this IF they just don't give up.

If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me.

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BJ Min

11 years ago

Brian, how could you say this speaking from the outside in? If you were not in it yourself, how could you truly know about it? How could you even have a real view of it?

There are people who just joined this year and are making six figures a year. It doesn't matter when you join. It's about what you produce.

You can give value and that's great but Empower Network DOES have value. Trust me, I've been a warrior as well since 2007. I've been doing clickbank and published 300+ eBooks in various niches with my publishing companies prior to this.

I used to think that Empower Network was a scam like you until I got curious about it and joined.

You know why I like it and enjoyed it?

It's because the MASTERMIND aspect of it.

Most internet marketers work by themselves and for themselves. IT's good to work for yourself but that can only get you so far.

When you join a mastermind, then you evolve to a whole new level. Even Napoleon Hill has ONE WHOLE CHAPTER about the importance of a mastermind group. That's the big benefit I have gotten from Empower Network that I didn't get from any ebook, home study course, or seminar out there by other IM gurus.

There is a difference when you join this because when you go to the events, the leaders DO want you to truly succeed. They really do as opposed to some out there simply teaching and leaving. This is about empowerment for the long run.

I have personally spoken to Dave Wood and Dave Sharpe. Yeah, Dave Wood seems a little weird looking but you know what, he got into this to help people genuinely make money. He was sick and tired of being in MLM companies where only he was the top producer so he wanted to help others make money. And you know what, he's doing it.

You can see the world half full or half empty. It's your choice but don't make a judgement if you've never been in Empower Network and if you've only seen it from the outside.

That's my take,
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11 years ago

Originally Posted by BJ Min

Brian, how could you say this speaking from the outside in? If you were not in it yourself, how could you truly know about it? How could you even have a real view of it?

There are people who just joined this year and are making six figures a year. It doesn't matter when you join. It's about what you produce.

You can give value and that's great but Empower Network DOES have value. Trust me, I've been a warrior as well since 2007. I've been doing clickbank and published 300+ eBooks in various niches with my publishing companies prior to this.

I used to think that Empower Network was a scam like you until I got curious about it and joined.

You know why I like it and enjoyed it?

It's because the MASTERMIND aspect of it.

Most internet marketers work by themselves and for themselves. IT's good to work for yourself but that can only get you so far.

When you join a mastermind, then you evolve to a whole new level. Even Napoleon Hill has ONE WHOLE CHAPTER about the importance of a mastermind group. That's the big benefit I have gotten from Empower Network that I didn't get from any ebook, home study course, or seminar out there by other IM gurus.

There is a difference when you join this because when you go to the events, the leaders DO want you to truly succeed. They really do as opposed to some out there simply teaching and leaving. This is about empowerment for the long run.

I have personally spoken to Dave Wood and Dave Sharpe. Yeah, Dave Wood seems a little weird looking but you know what, he got into this to help people genuinely make money. He was sick and tired of being in MLM companies where only he was the top producer so he wanted to help others make money. And you know what, he's doing it.

You can see the world half full or half empty. It's your choice but don't make a judgement if you've never been in Empower Network and if you've only seen it from the outside.

That's my take,
BJ

I have never tried EN, but I can make a judgement exactly as anybody who is inside in. The reason is that inside there is nothing, nada, zero.
Well, there is something if you pay the 15K as somebody above said he did. Videos, pdfs, and promotional tips to "teach" you how to blog...to keep scamming people. I'd would not pay a dime to receive a train like it, at least you want to hype desperate moms and dads to take their $25 for air to make you rich?

By the way, when you join a master mind, the only effect is that you do not care about people any more and you only want their money.

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8 (Ninja) Reasons NOT To Use The Empower Network [INFOGRAPHIC] - Online Marketing: John Banks Blog

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doucarsha 11 years ago

If anyone is looking into Empower, I am looking to sell my account, I havent promoted in awhile, but have made some decent money. I have all products with a downline (over $5k value), current residual of around $100/mo. I will sell for only $3k, or best offer. Send me a pm or email doucarsha at msn.com
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joseph7384 11 years ago

Originally Posted by BJ Min

There are people who just joined this year and are making six figures a year. It doesn't matter when you join. It's about what you produce.

Do you care to show some data to back up your claim.

I'm sure there are those who just joined and are making 6 figures, people like Vick, Joe Mack and a handful of already successful marketers with a huge following, show an example of a newbie joining and get to six figures within a year.
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Robert02011

11 years ago

I joined empower network about 6months back and all it did for me is wast $125 of my hard earned cash.I now have something that is easy to make money with and works for me.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by marc7

Is anyone familiar with or have experience with the empower network?

Yes and i quit after making no money at all!

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Josh Monroe

11 years ago

I don't understand how people can continue to say "there is no product".

The $25/month "Viral Blogging System" includes -

The blog (obviously)
The Eight Core Commitments training videos + pdf's
8 Lead Capture Pages
Built in Auto-responder

How is that not a product? Lets not forget that you don't have to promote Empower, a lot of people simply by for the blog alone - oh look, a product!

If you become a hosting reseller, are you a scammer also? Judging by the logic in this thread then yes.

With Empower your not only selling the done for you blog, but also the hosting and everything I've mentioned above.

I also don't understand the whole "your building Dave and Daves business not your own" - how is that so? YOU get the lead or buyer added to your list therefor your building your OWN business.

It's basically affiliate marketing but you keep the customers.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Monroe

I don't understand how people can continue to say "there is no product".

The $25/month "Viral Blogging System" includes -

The blog (obviously)
The Eight Core Commitments training videos + pdf's
8 Lead Capture Pages
Built in Auto-responder

How is that not a product? Lets not forget that you don't have to promote Empower, a lot of people simply by for the blog alone - oh look, a product!

If you become a hosting reseller, are you a scammer also? Judging by the logic in this thread then yes.

With Empower your not only selling the done for you blog, but also the hosting and everything I've mentioned above.

I also don't understand the whole "your building Dave and Daves business not your own" - how is that so? YOU get the lead or buyer added to your list therefor your building your OWN business.

It's basically affiliate marketing but you keep the customers.

Well, Josh...how to say this..?
They do not sell the blog...? right? They sell the 'be a millionarie joining us' promise.
They do not sell the autoresponder...right?

Are you serious when you say that you have to pay $25 monthly to blog and THAT is a product?

What about if you leave it? You lose this 'product' so there is not product, just they are borrowing their tools which you are paying for monthly...they are renting them then, but-oh look! they don't say that.

There are tons of free squeeze pages, aweber cost you $1 to try it, and there are another free options for it and you can promote anything you want, but with EN you have to promote their crap MLM in order you can make your dream comes true (yeaaah...).

Blog for YOU getting a domain you OWN.

Sure, there are some WSOs that offer this tools too, but for $7 and you OWN them.
and they have bonuses...and money back guaranteed...and do not have to ripoff people...

Just keep in mind FTC is keeping an eye on this EN.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by IMAnthony

Well, Josh...how to say this..?
They do not sell the blog...? right? They sell the 'be a millionarie joining us' promise.
They do not sell the autoresponder...right?

Are you serious when you say that you have to pay $25 monthly to blog and THAT is a product?

What about if you leave it? You lose this 'product' so there is not product, just they are borrowing their tools which you are paying for monthly...they are renting them then, but-oh look! they don't say that.

There are tons of free squeeze pages, aweber cost you $1 to try it, and there are another free options for it and you can promote anything you want, but with EN you have to promote their crap MLM in order you can make your dream comes true (yeaaah...).

Blog for YOU getting a domain you OWN.

Sure, there are some WSOs that offer this tools too, but for $7 and you OWN them.
and they have bonuses...and money back guaranteed...and do not have to ripoff people...

Just keep in mind FTC is keeping an eye on this EN.

-Anthony

Think about what you've just said.

What about if you leave it? You lose this 'product' so there is not product, just they are borrowing their tools which you are paying for monthly...they are renting them then

You then go on to say blog for yourself, but guess what? If I don't pay my hosting bill, I "lose" access to both the hosting and the website I'm paying to host. Therefore your logic would suggest that the hosting company are "scammers" because I'm not owning the hosting, I'm "renting it".

And yes, they do sell the "blog" watch the sales video on the Empower homepage and they talk about how they are one of the biggest blogging networks/platforms online.

And like I stated in my previous comment (you must have missed it, so I'll bold it) You don't have to sell/promote the Empower product, it's optional. So optional that in-order to become an affiliate (or re-sell it) you have to pay the affiliate fee.

Now, this fee to me suggests that many people simply buy the Empower product (which is the blog) to do simply that, blog - not promote the "dream".

Also, in-regards to your statement about software, if I pay for a monthly software, if I cancel, I will lose access to the software. So again, according to your logic, the software creator must be a scammer since he's only "renting" his software to me.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Monroe

Think about what you've just said.

You then go on to say blog for yourself, but guess what? If I don't pay my hosting bill, I "lose" access to both the hosting and the website I'm paying to host. Therefore your logic would suggest that the hosting company are "scammers" because I'm not owning the hosting, I'm "renting it".

And yes, they do sell the "blog" watch the sales video on the Empower homepage and they talk about how they are one of the biggest blogging networks/platforms online.

And like I stated in my previous comment (you must have missed it, so I'll bold it) You don't have to sell/promote the Empower product, it's optional. So optional that in-order to become an affiliate (or re-sell it) you have to pay the affiliate fee.

Now, this fee to me suggests that many people simply buy the Empower product (which is the blog) to do simply that, blog - not promote the "dream".

Also, in-regards to your statement about software, if I pay for a monthly software, if I cancel, I will lose access to the software. So again, according to your logic, the software creator must be a scammer since he's only "renting" his software to me.

"If I don't pay my hosting bill, I "lose" access to both the hosting and the website I'm paying to host."
Guess what..they do not cost you $25, and Aweber is renting their sofware and they sell it like that. As far I have seen, aweber and hosgator do not promise you 'buy my services and you will become milionarie'. They sell what they are.
The scam is in saying 'Join to the MLM Empower Network and become a milionarie' and then they to avoid the FTC sue, say they deliver these false 'products'.
Hope you see the difference...between offering a dream and offering a hosting service and an autoresponder software access.

Of course you have to pay for it. Now with this hyped MLM scheme , you have to pay $25 to get their permission to write in a Wordpress theme...cool.
Instead of paying $7 for hosting your own blog, go and pay $25 to these guys to let you add content to their site.

That sounds pretty smart, 'Join to EN to blog'.
But, surprisingly they say this is a "great" network-not platform, hey man, Wordpress is a platform- but to promote their pyramid. Show me just one video where they promote their pyramid scheme only to blog without mentioning make money with us.

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Tony Nelson 11 years ago

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I'll give my two cents anyway.

As far as selling crappy products that are outdated and promise too much.... Have you seen some of the WSO pages? I know they are cheaper, but money is money especially when a lot of newbies will buy dozens of them over say a years time, not to mention the OTOs.

Sure you could get a WP blog for free or get one with a HG plan, but a lot of people might like the plug and play aspect of not having to learn the ins and outs of getting to look good.

And as far as being able to learn everything that they teach for free, I am 100% sure that the same can be said for EVERY single product on CB, or JVZoo, or WSO. Whether or not the product is worth the money is up to the people who buy them. What you call amateurish and out dated might be perfectly great to someone with a lesser skill set or experience level.

I mean as far as I can tell, every I.M. related product that comes out just tells people how to make money by telling others how to make money.

So I guess to each his own, if people are finding success or learning from their failure with it, then more empower to them
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iziahwilletts

11 years ago

Empower is legit, I use it. I have the $25 blogging system and love it. Empower is all go.

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11 years ago

I am about to join the EN but since I'm a Seeker of Truth I found this interesting article..The Empower Network Ripoff – Don’t Buy Into the Hype - Ways to Avoid SCAMS Online... I guess I have to seek more before joining any MLM network

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by John D Seeker

I am about to join the EN but since I'm a Seeker of Truth I found this interesting article..The Empower Network Ripoff - Don't Buy Into the Hype - Ways to Avoid SCAMS Online... I guess I have to seek more before joining any MLM network

Good thing I don't take everything I read in forums and on "rip off" sites as gospel.

I'm a proud member of Empower Network and have grown a lot as a person, as well as made some good money in the process, as a result of being plugged in.

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fricknwill 11 years ago

Empower Network is Awesome! This guy has no clue and just creating hype.
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GraceCR

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John D Seeker

I am about to join the EN but since I'm a Seeker of Truth I found this interesting article..The Empower Network Ripoff – Don’t Buy Into the Hype - Ways to Avoid SCAMS Online... I guess I have to seek more before joining any MLM network

Hey Don't be discouraged by what you see and hear on the internet.. You will always find positive and negative reviews and especially with EN as they have grown ever so quickly. We have so many, everyday people that have benefited from this company in a really big way - it's like anything - once you know which way you want to go you must put ALL your love into it in order for it to grow.. neglect it or don't take it seriously and it will perish..

My experience with EN has been awesome but then again i really enjoy the personal growth aspect of it. Its been a somewhat fulfilling journey for me and continuing.

No one told me this to begin with but Like i mentioned to Laurence - EN have an Empower Hour call every Monday night at 9pm est... you can hop on and listen in to what they rant about... sometimes they waffle on a little in the start but they eventually get to the good stuff...

I just don't really like it when others go all out to bag other companies - its un-necessary..

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fricknwill

11 years ago

I have been in 100 days and really love there products. I have learned a lot. Made some money with out really trying. People just really need to have a work ethic and be consistent. The people complaining or putting Empower Network down really have no right to. Either they joined and did not take action or did not join and make false accusations. The 6000 people at the Denver event I went to were all winners and happy with Empower Network.

Empower Network ha the best products, mentors and internet business hands down-Period

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marceauct

11 years ago

Where did all you 0 posts guys come from? Oh i get it LOL.

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Originally Posted by marceauct

Where did all you 0 posts guys come from? Oh i get it LOL.

I have zero plus 1680 posts...
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charlesbim

11 years ago

This is a response I wrote to Ian of nobsreviews - which I believe is an excellent site ( I have no relationship with Ian as you will see from my reply)

Hi Ian:
Really awesome review and really commend your website - I have read through a lot of your articles and believe there's a lot of value and content here so will be visiting often. I actually joined EN under a different team, Paul Barroso - you may or may not have heard of him but he's one of the leaders after struggling for so many years making 60K per mth from zero in less than 6 mths. Now it's true , like you say, internet marketing isn't for everyone, it does take a lot of hard work, commitment and dedication but firmly believe, any that has the proper mindset and sponsor will succeed tremendously. I really think the EN business depends on which team you're on (there are so many) and who your direct sponsor is? I literally host internet training session in my home to get people started and teach internet basics as well as give workshops and teach people how to use the internet on their jobs - I get a lot of fufillment in that. I've been around the internet for years and can say the content within Empower is really up there and i'm not just saying this.
I love to self-improve so subscribe to tons of internet newsletters, internet gurus - there's one big guru (not on Empower) - and i'm paying literally $200 per mth just to listen to what he's saying. That said, I'm learning more hands on applicable tools on EN daily. Plus the mentorship i'm getting from my sponsor is bar non - I would gladly pay $5000 just to learn all he can to teach me exactly what he did to get me there - because I know thru those skills I can apply those internet marketing skills not only in Empower but any business I start.
I have literally newbies on my team that are making money - why? Because I'm there for my team, accessible and really want them to succeed. I've gotten so much value out of the content already, I would have gladly paid that much just to get all that content in one place and trust me, I've spent close to $10K in educating myself.
That said, you have a great point, if you're in Empower and don't have the right team or the right sponsor, it will be a huge struggle and a uphill battle for sure. What's great about Empower is that it's really your own company within a company. It's your own business - it allows you to build your business however way you want - and like most business 80% fail..if anyone thinks they can start a business for $25 without and blood,sweat and tears, you need to "grow up" and take the sunshine out of your glasses.
But like you said, if you're willing to roll up your sleaves work hard - you can potentially be at the very top of internet marketing skillbase 1-2% as well as improving yourself.
For those considering EN - go in eyes wide open - you really need to work hard to succeed. And unfortunately a few bad apples out of 100K+ affiliates shouldn't be a reflection of the company.
Personally, my goal is to help the newbie marketer - one that's new, start at the $25 level - as they see results and are completely comfortable financially, then move to the next level. I do agree, you need to be wise and financially responsible and know yourself. But I want to ensure that person is mentally, and skillfully there..if I see a newbie at the $25, I can ask him a few questions and quickly determine whether he's done anywork or really put in the time - if they consider upgrading I would certainly advise it only if they will put in the work, time, and have the commitment.
It's a bit of a irony - those that are financially unfit think spending $5k may be a sort of pancea and money will magically reappear. But it's those very same people that should not be buying the $5k unless they are mentally ready and willing to put in the time and effort to make this work for them.
I'm in EN / Bim as all in member and so far my experience has been fantastic due to the reasons cited above. I will be less likely going around in circles banging my head against the wall on the internet seeing what works and what doesn't because there are people using these very same internet marketing skills to make a lot of money.
You can write your own ticket in EN as well but if you dn't have the right mentor, community, team - then it will be that much more difficult to succeed.
One final point, on every call, there is a income disclaimer which specifically states success requires hard work, dedication and commitment - I see a lot of people who "T R Y" - I know people who go into this business thinking - how can I leave when if I want to? Do you ever start a business thinking on ways to get out if it potentially fails? That's the wrong mindset..
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joseph7384

11 years ago

Originally Posted by charlesbim

I actually joined EN under a different team, Paul Barroso – you may or may not have heard of him but he’s one of the leaders after struggling for so many years making 60K per mth from zero in less than 6 mths. Now it’s true

Paul is one of Vick Strizheus's minions and was in High Traffic Academy and The Big Idea Mastermind as well and has a very large following! Newbies drink the Kool-aid that David Woods gives his team leaders to pass on to the Zombies.

These guys David Woods and David Sharp are quite comical and their seminars are more cult like then anything else, David Woods says he is an internet marketer by day and he punches wussy's in the face by night, what a half a sissy if I've ever seen one.

See for yourself if you want to belong to this kind of stuff, the audience are like Zombies who would jump off a bridge if he said "Jump".

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by joseph7384

Paul is one of Vick Strizheus's minions and was in High Traffic Academy and The Big Idea Mastermind as well and has a very large following! Newbies drink the Kool-aid that David Woods gives his team leaders to pass on to the Zombies.

These guys David Woods and David Sharp are quite comical and their seminars are more cult like then anything else, David Woods says he is an internet marketer by day and he punches wussy's in the face by night, what a half a sissy if I've ever seen one.

See for yourself if you want to belong to this kind of stuff, the audience are like Zombies who would jump off a bridge if he said "Jump".

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=580379965347034

Lol, really funny video. My questions are, if you join and lets suppose youleave

1) can you take away leads you generated?
2) can you sell any product you want to thoseleads? ( even if it means your own mlm program)

My only stint with MLMwas amway. Oneof the worse 2 months i experienced.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by joseph7384

Paul is one of Vick Strizheus's minions and was in High Traffic Academy and The Big Idea Mastermind as well and has a very large following! Newbies drink the Kool-aid that David Woods gives his team leaders to pass on to the Zombies.

These guys David Woods and David Sharp are quite comical and their seminars are more cult like then anything else, David Woods says he is an internet marketer by day and he punches wussy's in the face by night, what a half a sissy if I've ever seen one.

See for yourself if you want to belong to this kind of stuff, the audience are like Zombies who would jump off a bridge if he said "Jump".

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Lol, really funny video. My questions are, if you join and lets suppose youleave

1) can you take away leads you generated?
2) can you sell any product you want to thoseleads? ( even if it means your own mlm program)

My only stint with MLMwas amway. Oneof the worse 2 months i experienced.

I can't answer your questions because I'm not a member of EN and nor do I ever care to be, but I have a few close friends who got sucked in to this crap and they are making diddly squat.

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saucesspc

11 years ago

I joined 4 months ago and have earned $4,625 (yes proof available for all those skeptics)

And yes like anything you have to work at it but it has worked for me, and it does not really matter who you join under because the value is in all the products.

The training contained is really fantastic, I am really mean that - I have tried MLSP and SFM and others (no I not knocking them) but my success has come from EN - it really is a simple, scalable system that can be easily duplicated

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xxgunsxx

11 years ago

I always love people that complain about EN, it's this or it's that and don't know much about it or simply don't like it. But for me, it's worked out great. I have been able to apply online marketing to my two other business and have been able to grow them online and I have been able to earn as an affiliate through EN as well. I have seen friends make very good money and some not make any money. It boils down to just like anything else, if you follow the plan and work it you can get good if not great results. If you just sign up and do nothing with it or do not follow the plan...well you get the point.

Feel free to drop me a message if you have questions about the comp plan or products and how I have used it. I'll give it to you straight forward. It's for some people and not for others...just like any other other business.

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laurencewins

11 years ago

I have read lots of comments in this thread, both positive and negative, and it is impossible to tell what to do.
Can someone answer me honestly...with an investment of only $25, what sort of money could I make?
I am on a disability pension and my primary income online is writing so blogging is easy for me but financially, I don't have the money to do the other levels right now.

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joseph7384

11 years ago

Originally Posted by laurencewins

I have read lots of comments in this thread, both positive and negative, and it is impossible to tell what to do.
Can someone answer me honestly...with an investment of only $25, what sort of money could I make?
I am on a disability pension and my primary income online is writing so blogging is easy for me but financially, I don't have the money to do the other levels right now.

Laurence, do yourself a favor and pass on this as you will be disappointed.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by laurencewins

I have read lots of comments in this thread, both positive and negative, and it is impossible to tell what to do.
Can someone answer me honestly...with an investment of only $25, what sort of money could I make?
I am on a disability pension and my primary income online is writing so blogging is easy for me but financially, I don't have the money to do the other levels right now.

Hi laurence

Writing blogs is where people tend to fail the most, as it may seem simple enough but really not that easy for everyone to begin with. What i am trying to get at is, you are half way there as blogging comes easy to you. If you are able to consistently blog daily and have a 'purpose' and 'why' to drive you while providing fresh and new content, then the only other real thing you need to concentrate is driving traffic to your blog by many different means ( and if you already know this then again you will be more than half way there..)...

Not everyone has success, but i guess you will never really know unless you try. No one in this forum or elsewhere will be able to tell you if you will in face a dime from this mob. What i can tell you is Empower is definitely not a scam nor a get rich quick scheme. But if you invest yourself in this product only good can come of it. But like someone said above - you need to go in with an open mind and really if you cannot afford more than $25 a month i would suggest to sign up for $25 per month blog daily get as much content up there as you can but you will definitely want to upgrade to the affiliate fee ($19.95) before you drive any traffic to it so you can start earning commissions. Bare in mind the inner circle is where all the mindset stuff is. So if you cannot upgrade to that level make sure you utilise YouTube or some other audio to pump yourself up with good stuff and drive away any negative thoughts you may have.

You will have access every Monday night to the Empower Hour call ( as these calls are open to anyone) which you can tap into via Skype - i think it costs me a whole of $1 or even less to listen in every week.

Cos we are from Australia the Monday night calls are on Tuesday mornings for us at 11am Melbourne time.

So just to summarise on investment you will have to make:
$25 /mth to get started,
$19.95 /mth Affiliate rights to resell, (without this you will not make a dime)
$19 /mth Aweber (auto-responder) (or u could use GVO $10/month, or other) but Aweber & Getreponse are currently the 2 that are in the back office.

Hope this helps.

p.s. I love Melbourne, lived there for about 11years!

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by laurencewins

I have read lots of comments in this thread, both positive and negative, and it is impossible to tell what to do.
Can someone answer me honestly...with an investment of only $25, what sort of money could I make?
I am on a disability pension and my primary income online is writing so blogging is easy for me but financially, I don't have the money to do the other levels right now.

I will be 100% up-front with you here and give you the same response I give to anyone looking to join (Yes, I'm a EN member).

If your looking to join EN for the PRODUCT (i.e. the blog) then staying at the $25 level is fine

However if your like most people and your joining for the product and the OPPORTUNITY then do yourself a favor and either raise the money some how to "get all in" (I really just recommend up to the $15K) OR don't join at all.

To answer your question,

with an investment of only $25, what sort of money could I make?

You can only earn from the products you own personally, so in this case the MAX you can earn in $25.

Now to my next point, most people that want to come in the $25 level always then ask the following "Can I come in at the $25 and scale up, I will go all in with my earnings"...

Again, lets be real here. If your making $25 per sale, your going to need to sell 6 units of the $25 blog just to get to the inner circle (remember the 2nd & 4th are passed up).

Again lets put this into perspective, to be able to 'scale up' to the $15K formula using your 'profits' - you'd need to sell 40 memberships at the $25 level (not including pass-ups).

It doesn't make sense.

So honestly, if you can't afford to go all in and don't see yourself being able to raise the money relatively quick (if at all) don't bother.

And that is my honest opinion from someone inside the program making decent income.

(I'd also like to point out this is my opinion, i know there are tons of people happy to stay at the $25 level, and make $25 commissions - however this is NOT for me...or most people I would imagine)

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11 years ago

you are right sir. But i need immediate mearning

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valplan1

11 years ago

I am also in the Empower Network, and I can tell you that I have been somewhat successful with it. Before joining it, I read a lot of horror stories, but you can't believe everything you hear. I decided to take a chance and try it. The results have been encouraging.

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charlesbim

11 years ago

Hey folks...along the same lines, read here one of the biggest investors in the world, George Soros is investing in Herbalife, one of the largest MLM companies in the world - legitimizes MLM and it's business model as a whole

Why George Soros' Investment In Herbalife Is Terrible News For Bill Ackman - Forbes

here's a quote from the Forbes article “It’s an all or nothing kind of bet. You either think it’s a pyramid scheme or you don’t and you don’t invest in a company if you think it’s a pyramid scheme or even if you think it might be one. But Icahn and Soros have invested big time.”

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Daniel LaRusso

11 years ago

What is the difference in Empower Network and Millionaire Marketing Machine. Just curious

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workingathomemom

11 years ago

Hey, I joined Empower Network 1 weeks ago and I have already made 5,000!! If you have any idea that you might want to do it, JUST DO IT!! Don't sit and think about it like I did! I was so scared to invest and I already made my money back.

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jrgattison

11 years ago

I'm sorry to see so many people mislead by people on the outside. I joined Empower about 6 months ago and have not really promoted Empower itself(yet) but I have used the products to go from about $2500/mo to about $7500/mo profit in my main business after 2 months.

Empower offers so much more than what people will lead you to believe. You are responsible for what you do with the information. It's the same as on this forum. If you don't do any work, you aren't going to get paid.

So if you are actually looking into it seriously as a business don't read any more of these responses because EVERYBODY has a bias. What you need to do is:

1. Get real with yourself. Are you going to follow directions and take action? If not empower network or any other product for that matter isn't going to work.

2. Decide to stop looking for some magic system.

3. Pay the $25 so that you can take a look FOR YOURSELF and see what empower really has to offer. If you can't afford $25 right now then PM me and I'll send you my ebook on selling on ebay to generate some money to pay the $25 or sell something on craigslist.

4. Make an educated decision.

5. If you don't think empower offers a way to earn an income and build a business then don't work it.

If you don't change your thinking your life won't change.
You MUST learn some new skills but also you have to develope the mindset that will keep you doing the daily tasks required to build a business.

Lastly I believe that the people that have not joined empower and are bashing it are doing a dis-service to our fellow brothers and sisters in this world that want change in their lives. If you cared about others you would invest the $25 so that you could really give them the scoop on empower. But you probably wouldn't do that because you have your own interests at heart above really being a help to others.

Here it is people. Believe in yourself. Focus on what you want and stick with something until you get some feedback of your own.

Kendall "The Awkward Entrepreneur"

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RestlessBlaze

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jrgattison

I'm sorry to see so many people mislead by people on the outside. I joined Empower about 6 months ago and have not really promoted Empower itself(yet) but I have used the products to go from about $2500/mo to about $7500/mo profit in my main business after 2 months.

Empower offers so much more than what people will lead you to believe. You are responsible for what you do with the information. It's the same as on this forum. If you don't do any work, you aren't going to get paid.

So if you are actually looking into it seriously as a business don't read any more of these responses because EVERYBODY has a bias. What you need to do is:

1. Get real with yourself. Are you going to follow directions and take action? If not empower network or any other product for that matter isn't going to work.

2. Decide to stop looking for some magic system.

3. Pay the $25 so that you can take a look FOR YOURSELF and see what empower really has to offer. If you can't afford $25 right now then PM me and I'll send you my ebook on selling on ebay to generate some money to pay the $25 or sell something on craigslist.

4. Make an educated decision.

5. If you don't think empower offers a way to earn an income and build a business then don't work it.

If you don't change your thinking your life won't change.
You MUST learn some new skills but also you have to develope the mindset that will keep you doing the daily tasks required to build a business.

Lastly I believe that the people that have not joined empower and are bashing it are doing a dis-service to our fellow brothers and sisters in this world that want change in their lives. If you cared about others you would invest the $25 so that you could really give them the scoop on empower. But you probably wouldn't do that because you have your own interests at heart above really being a help to others.

Here it is people. Believe in yourself. Focus on what you want and stick with something until you get some feedback of your own.

Kendall "The Awkward Entrepreneur"

Tthats what people from other camps are saying. You joined to grab knowledge and totally overlooked "make million with en concept". If thats the case than offer for you is $25 = all information to run business - get quick rich scam

If thats the case, than it can be looked upon. But if i have to send 5000 leads to someoffer,i will send it to my own offer rather than someone else's.

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jrgattison

11 years ago

Originally Posted by RestlessBlaze

Tthats what people from other camps are saying. You joined to grab knowledge and totally overlooked "make million with en concept". If thats the case than offer for you is $25 = all information to run business - get quick rich scam

If thats the case, than it can be looked upon. But if i have to send 5000 leads to someoffer,i will send it to my own offer rather than someone else's.

Actually if I understand you correctly I didn't join to grab knowledge and overlook the opportunity.

What actually happened is I was seeking a solution to certain issues and found them. The community, products and support is solid. I mainly used the concepts taught and applied them into something that I was already comfortable with. Mainly the thing that puts food on the table right now.

My comfort zone is what I am referring to. I am still in EN and promoting it now but until you see what it is all about from the inside you'll either:
1. remain stuck earning peanuts(or nothing) online
2. remain stuck at your job
3. remain stuck in a business you really don't want to be in but that pays the bills(this was my situation)
4. remain stuck bashing it and wonder why you're not getting anywhere.

If you are not earning a full time income online and you are bashing EN you really ought to check yourself. Like I said before. GET REAL WITH YOURSELF! Only you can change your life for the better.

I wish you all much success in all of your endeavors.

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josh107

11 years ago

It might be bit wrong to say its a scam because people are making money from it right, actually 91% of its members are earning less than 100$ a month, mostly 0.

Fantastic, lets get you in, its only 25$ to join, for 25$ you get a blog which you don't have any control over ( themes, plugins, settings ), the very same blog system you can get for free.

Then there is the fee that they don't tell you right away, it's the 19$ a month e-wallet fee.

Then there is this great tutorial series, eight core commitment, doesn't teach you anything expect to go all-in. If you don't you're a "wussie".

Face it, its just another pyramid scheme. It's blocked even in facebook.

Now they are trying to start from a clean sheet, I have heard that they are planning to launch all mighty Empower Network 2.

There is no product, and if there is anything they teach you, you can always find it free from the internet.

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onlinemoney00

11 years ago

Originally Posted by josh107

It might be bit wrong to say its a scam because people are making money from it right, actually 91% of its members are earning less than 100$ a month, mostly 0.

Fantastic, lets get you in, its only 25$ to join, for 25$ you get a blog which you don't have any control over ( themes, plugins, settings ), the very same blog system you can get for free.

Then there is the fee that they don't tell you right away, it's the 19$ a month e-wallet fee.

Then there is this great tutorial series, eight core commitment, doesn't teach you anything expect to go all-in. If you don't you're a "wussie".

Face it, its just another pyramid scheme. It's blocked even in facebook.

Now they are trying to start from a clean sheet, I have heard that they are planning to launch all mighty Empower Network 2.

There is no product, and if there is anything they teach you, you can always find it free from the internet.

So, I suppose every clickbank marketer & WSO marketer are scam artist since if you look hard enoughyou can always find the information for free on the internet.
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seo-it-right

11 years ago

things like this are always garbage, money recycling that is all it is, nobody actually makes anything, longevity is never possible.

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jasondinner 11 years ago

Originally Posted by seo-it-right

things like this are always garbage, money recycling that is all it is, nobody actually makes anything, longevity is never possible.

I personally get a lot of value from everything in Empower Network, especially the Inner Circle audios.

While Ive been marketing full time since 2006 and now 100% on my own making $20K+ per month as an affiliate, network marketing/attraction marketing wasn't one of my strengths.

However, since getting involved with Empower, my skills in that area are improving by the day.

And I haven't even finished going through everything yet.

Just video 1 of the 15K formula will be worth hundreds of thousands (or more) for me.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

You think it's garbage, although I doubt you've actually been through any of the products or training.

I think it's extremely valuable.
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moneymaking070

11 years ago

Lol i read so much about this empower network.
Seems to me it's a big piramide scam.. I mean why pay 25 for a blog when your able to get it for free. And the only way to make money is to sell this crap to someone else and so on.
I will never try this ..

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carlamae

11 years ago

I wasn't comfortable with the high pressure I felt to spend thousands of dollars, so I didn't stick with it.

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Datingport

11 years ago

I'm coming back into this thread because I keep getting emails from people that read my earlier posts asking my privately if I'm still with empower network. My answer is no, I stopped very early on. It was not because anything was wrong, I just had other things going on and it was too much on my plate at the time. I made a few sales though and here's the important part. I'm still getting commissions from those sales. My last commission was paid out Aug 16 to my ewallet (not paying the $19.95 fee) and was automatically withdrawn to my bank account today. It makes me think I should have stayed in longer because it truly is residual and working.

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Joemuse

11 years ago

I've been very skeptical of this kind of opportunity but slowly getting rid of that skepticism. People say you don't learn anything from Empower Network. Really? You know what I've learned thus far? To stop making excuses. This whole business and just about anything you pursuit in life is about MINDSET! You could be the most gifted artist in the world but if you dont' think you can do it, guess what? You won't. You won't succeed and you won't go anywhere in life that you wanted to go. You'll keep making the same excuse for why you aren't succeeding rather than coming up with a reason why you probably could succeed. Success is a rare species. Seems that everyone wants to just fail. Well I don't (anymore that is). I want to succeed and go further in life. I've payed up to the Costa Rica intensive and I haven't got anything back yet BECAUSE I doubted myself and didn't put the effort in to make it back and I regret every thought of it. I easily can go rag and bash on Empower Network because they didn't pay me but you know who didn't pay me? Me! I didn't step to the plank and make that decision. I fell victim to the hate and the skepticism and about gave up. My past self was a living example of what you DON'T want to be in life, a hater. I'm paying for my dues now and I'm getting pumped and gonna fly high

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Ted Stevenson

11 years ago

Empower Network is all over the place. I know people are signing up with them left and right, but I'm sure there are only a few that are actually making money with this. I'm getting pitches from people all the time but I still haven't done anything with them yet.

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Rod Dinero

11 years ago

I dont know if this empower network thing is a scam or not, I have tried digging deeper on the internet but all I find are these amazing stories about people making like 43 million dollars per month, working only 13,4 minutes per day and the like, you know the drill

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celente

11 years ago

Its pyramid selling at its best, you know this cause they say its not pyramid selling.

They come out and say this pretty whole heartly, and in the past those that come out and say this, you know it is definatly a pyramid this way. LOL

Stay away, a few members here at the warrior forum are talking about this collapsing soon. I do not know if that is the case, but many warriors have been burnt, and that is probably a warning sign in itself.

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101AnonymousGuy101

11 years ago

I have one question. When you type in "Empower Network" on Google, it does not even show up in the first page. Why is that?

I hope EN lovers will answer this question.

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accofranco

11 years ago

Hello friends and fellows. I have been hearing of this empower network of a thing, but today, after reading through the numerous reviews here, I have developed interest, though not yet fully convinced, so I need a good samaritan to walk me through.

First, I am a Nigerian. Nigeria is in West Africa, and for many reasons, Nigerians are not allowed to join some internet making money opportunities. For instance, we are not allowed to open a PayPal account, and this has affected me on hubpages where I am one of the reputable hubbers with one of the most popular hubs on google 1st rank.

Back to the topic:

I already own a viable blog with around 1500 to 3000 unique daily page views.

You can view my blog here: Secret Exposures to see for yourself.

Okay. I don't earn much on adsense despite my numerous visits and sometimes clicks...I earn more income on my blog via direct adverts than google adsense, and now, I want a good programme to monetize my blog and make more money because I put in lots of effort to get my blog to where it is despite all odds.

My questions are:
1. Am I qualified as a Nigerian to join empower network?

2. How much will I pay in all to join and start making good money?

3. How do I pay if I am to join?

4. Who do I join under and will the person guarantee me success and also help walk me through to success?

I have so many ways to promote my blog...including my facebook fan pages, etc.

5. How will I be making money with my blog if I join empower network? Where does the money come from?

6. Will my country of origin; Nigeria, be a limiting factor to my success if I join empower network?

7. I need a layman breakdown of how this empower network works, how the money comes and how to become successful?

8. Lastly, if I join and start earning money, how do I withdraw my earnings and what's the minimum payout I must earn to qualify for a payout?

I mean, since I don't have a paypal account, how will empower network send my earned income after I join and make money?

Forgive my long post, pls someone should kindly answer me pls.

Thanks in great anticipation of your kind responses.

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