Heya Mac,

I've recently become a Licensee of Matt Lloyd's and I can say that it DOES take some work to get it running.

Coaching wise it's pretty solid but it is definitely focused around the MOBE series of products.

If you have any questions regarding it, let me know I can answer any questions. Just shoot me a PM.

Well well well...if you have to pay 49$ and a MOBE licence almost 2k$ and then you earn only 1k$ within 30 days, then you still have a debt of almost 1k$...Is it profitable ?

I don`t try to act like an A** but Matt Lloyd should mention from start that you need to invest atleast 2k$ in his business to start getting high commisions.

I had serious concerns about getting into another mlm or online marketing venture.
Frankly it became apparent to me that most of them were dysfunctional for the inexperienced.
Also, I was willing to except my failings as my own and not pass them on.
So what happens? Another shiny object pops up and I am hooked...
I had to have more info and I needed it from the horse's mouth.
I went to a super charge summit where I would meet the owner and other big earners as well as those just getting started.
So here is my report.
These people were some of the most genuine down to earth folks I have ever seen gathered in one location. Three days I spent picking their minds and feeling their pocket books.
In the last 10 days I have not found anything illegal or shameful about MTTB / MOBE.
Exactly the opposite.
This is a business for people that understand it takes money to make money and that the right mind set to make the kind of money these folks are making requires firm discipline.
90% of the people going through their funnel do not....the good news is that the "know how" to create the mindset for the desire is built into the training, coaching and events.
I had to go through a little bit of hell to change my old way of thinking.
Scam? No. Scam is the cop out phrase for those who live their lives based on fear.
Sorry, but the truth will sting before it purifies. Can you get passed the pain is the question?

almost joined this scam all seems to be on the intrernet or mlm business sad.

Full disclosure: I haven't joined this yet.. I don't know anyone in this thread.. and I am not earning a commission..

But let me get this straight. I'm trying to dissect the actual program without the weird back n forth name calling. That's not what Warriors are about.. we help and help and help some more.

1. $49 = You get a 21 step training plus a coach who walks you through the training 3 times. Obviously - the coach makes very little on the $49 application fee - and 3 times on the phone is a lot of time!!! So this is similar to moving the free line.. where you get a taste of the coaching.. for free plus the $49 twenty-one step training..

2. Then = they present an offer to you around the end of the first week. You can choose to take the offer or decline it.. This is how the coach gets paid? Is that right? So finally - he says .. we can go further but I'm dropping you off if you don't take the upsell?

That's pretty fair.. you can't have someone on the phone all the time for free.. Seems rather fair so far..

Then, they have higher priced masterminds where you meet at a physical location where everything is paid for..

3. That's easy to understand, and doesn't contradict the $49 offer at all. THEN - you still go through the 21 step training..

THE PARTS THAT I'M MISSING IS:

1)))) Is the training good solid information?
2)))) Is it good step by step info that even beginners can do.

I think beginners could do something like this and even pay a "tuition" for the training... if after a year - they are solid internet marketers. I've been through 4 years of college - and received less for a LOT LOT more!

What would happen if colleges offered you half commissions for tuition! Most of the time - you come out of those classes with just a 3 hour credit on your transcript... and no actual coach or knowledge that you can apply.

IF the training can be applied training - then it's worth paying the money to shortcut all the BS out there.

IF the training is there as a veil for earning commissions - then we have a problem.

Thanks!

They Probably give you some good info but most mlm you make money buy selling there products. They usually give you more info. the more money you spend. It does work but not everyone will buy, Just to let you know. I have been listening to a Vick Strizheus who has really Mastered Traffic n Optins around 38% - 50% - 75% optins. Very High Optin Rates.
You can use what he teaches for any business. He does use empower network but it works for any business if you don't want to sell Multilever Marketing. You know if you were going to rent a store front it would cost thousands. So spending some money so you don't have to keep on searching and you may not even know where to start. Vic made $710,000 in less then 30days. You know what he charges around $997 plus maybe one upsell. It is all refundable if you don't like it. You have to apply what you've learned. I know its hard to trust people. If you want look up Vick Strizheus n see what he's doing on youtube. It won't cost you a dime check it out.
God Bless n Good Luck
Michal

I have recently joined MOBE from Matt LLoyd. The training is top draw and of good quality.
It seems to be a good way of creating good commisions and they have a trained sales team. Response from email campaign is around 2% so not too bad a take up. Will keep you posted.

The MOBE Licence gives you the licence rights to sell the core MOBE products for 90% commission (ranging from $87 to $267) and re-sell the MOBE licence itself for 50% commission ($1K).

Considering the time and skills it takes to create your own products, it's a pretty good deal.

PM me if you want more info and I'll send you a link to a video.

When it sounds too good to be true....

Thanks for being honest. How are things with MOBE sales at this point though?

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Did you say total transparency here? Um, that's hilarious.

Guys don't bother with this MTTB program.

You will be required to pay $2k just to become affiliate of their products. And that too without really having clue as to the salesletters of products u will be asked to promote or any other material that can aid marketing.

Tell me does clickbank/ebay/amazon or many others charge you any monies to become affiliate? Off course no. So why the heck are these guys charging $2k for what effectively is to become affiliate of their products.

Also on their salesletter they say things like each of the 21 step will take you 30 minutes to complete. But I covered 3 steps and they all seem to have recordings of seminar presentations lasting 1 hour & more.

Just hate these kind of things. So fed up of such tactics.

So halfway thru the 21 steps I need to buy a $2000 license? If I don't, means I didn't complete a step, so forfeit $500 guarantee, plus $49 already paid?
Please clarify...
What did you do, Maurice?
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Why would anyone trust a guy who straight out lies in his sales letter? Free? Or $2000? What's the difference among friends!

I read the terms and conditions and its clear that they are a bit shady by saying some of the things they say, saying someone needs to complete 21 steps in order in one day on an exact day they specify is insane, because they state that each step takes 30 minutes? WTF who has 10.5 hours in one day to put towards this, and obviously the $1000 commission is possible after you sign up and pay more than $1000, generating a $1000 commission for someone else, then you sell one too and make $1000....really? Anyone making any real money with this? ANyone got a refund of their $49? and how many people are there out there that bought this thing and now have sever buyers remorse and feel bad because they wasted $$$$ and didnt get anything in return?

Sorry folks, but the sales video just isnt very credible to me.

his marketing list is funny, he is emailing me as a result of me being added to his bitbillions list. I joined bitbillions under him, and actually bitbillions was a joke, watch endless videos and crapola for pennies a day, real $ there, BAH.

Laws and rules governing it are Australia, which means good luck suing me in AUstralia for signing up and sharing the "scamy" stuff about this whole deal.

It could work, but it screams scam, the world could end today but its not likely, just like making any real $ with this thing without a heap of conflict issues and a bunch of buyers who feel ripped off.

Good luck with this one!

Hey Matt,
Your answer to Dennis sounds a bit arrogant but I can understand that because you may be a bit pissed off.
Pls give us a straight answer to this question:

What happens with your $500 guarantee + $49 refund on day 30 if the $1,000 mark is not reached after the 21 steps, and MOBE hasn't been purchased. Is MOBE one of the 21?

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Matt, I admire your passion. But I think you may have done more harm to your reputation than good by responding in the defensive manner that you have. Customers complain about products all the time, but until one experiences it for themselves it's all hear say. It's nothing a little reputation management won't resolve. However, when you lash out in public like that all of a sudden it's no longer hear say. People will assume it must be true because of the way you've reacted. I've seen your presentation, you are a great marketer, but part of being a great business man is knowing how to react to and resolve customer dissatisfaction effectively. It's also humbling yourself to receive constructive criticism. When people see FREE that's exactly what they expect. You might want to use more caution when throwing that word around prior to hitting people with a $49 entry and then a $2000 upsell. Good luck, I wish you the best sir.

I just signed up to MyTopTierBusiness. But I want a refund. So far none of the instructions were doable (explained below). Thus I visited the web and warrior forum to check its validity, which I usually do before buying into something. Wished I had the sense to do that this time. The surprise charge that's awaiting me is not cool! I want a refund. I'm doing fine in Network Marketing. It's not a respectful place where the rug is pulled out from under one's feet.

None of the instructions worked:
I watched the welcome video but could not book my first call because the bar above which had the links disappeared at once when the video and the texts finally loaded. But I could access the support link thus I wrote to them explaining my problem. Awaiting a reply.

Trying to reload the page or hitting the back button brought me to a login page asking for my password. But I was never given the opportunity during sign up to create a password! Thus anything I typed returned an error message. Cannot login...No Access to back office!

I also did not receive the e-mail that was promised that should have the info for me to move forward. They're not in my junk mailbox either. Have written to Linda, but no response yet.

This does not look good, Matt Lloyd. Hope you'd kindly refund just as you promised for principle's sake.

With every success there will be those that come against you to damage all you worked so hard to achieve! I have one piece of advice for those bashing and complaining if the program isn't for you then don't do it! success doesn't happen over night and if it does then failure is right behind it! It takes time dedication and great sacrifices to live a life you desire! Jeez people Walgreens started as a small pharmacy in a small town and now its on every corner all around the world if the founder listened to all the Debbie downers and negativity there would be no Walgreens! All it takes is a small spark to create a wild fire stop all the negativity! Matt Lloyd I want to join your team!

Nice way to start a post in which you're trying to convince people you're a good marketer. Wow. Already I don't want to learn from you!

Well, this is a marketing forum. I've been on here 2 years and have never seen anyone offer a free WSO and then say it's $49, and THEN say it's actually close to $2k!

Let's face it Matt, it's totally DISHONEST of you to do that! And as soon as I heard about it I decided not to do business with you.

But that's okay, you don't want me as part of your business anyway, right? Because I call a spade a spade. It's one thing to offer an OTO and another to offer an OTO that is pretty much necessary to buy in order to make the original offer work AND charge them 40 times the amount of the original offer! That's beyond "OTO", that's scamming people!

"Too long" does not equate to "too much content".
"Too long" means spending too much time without getting to the point.

Sure, if we've got $2k laying around just to find out WHAT your system is all about. As others have said here, who the hell spends $2k on something sign unseen? Only the most desperate and easily "sold" newbies are going to do that.

Then why SAY it if it isn't true??

Matt, you seem to have a problem with the concept of "Truth in marketing" and the above thread proves it. Aside from that I just don't like you. You come off as arrogant, nasty and untruthful.

great MATT!

EVER HEAR OF FULL DISCLOSURE IN ADVANCE?!? THE FACT REMAINS THAT IF WHAT I HAVE READ HERE IS TRUE, THEN YOU ARE IN FACT A SCAMMER! A scammer hides, a scammer doesnt believe in full disclose in advance, and if someone has to spend $2000, it is dishonest #fraud to fail to disclose that, make any lame brain excuse you want, failure to disclose important details in advance = SCAM.

there is nothing quite like taking advantage of the ignorance of others when you make a bunch of money is there Matt?!?

if you need $49, I'll send it to you Matt, but then can we communicate and share the whole truth and nothing but the truth, Matt? not likely eh?


without full disclosure in advance its a scam and blatant and intentional fraud! uNF said!

Mattie, your avatar is showing "Nothing" - think you're telling us something?

John Chow and Budd obviously have big brands they've built up from hard work. That's why Chow has made over $200,000 partnering with Matt.

But I guess you choose to see what you want to see, since there are hundreds of average people you've never heard (lot's of testimonials actually are shown on the sales page and VSL) of making a nice income with MTTB. Some "newcomers" even in their first week.

And those that don't succeed right away get loads of support in a very active group for all members.

And yes, I am biased because my first week I partnered with Matt, I personally received four $1,000 commissions and several other sales. Why? Because I took action. And no, I was not a newbie but that's not the issue here.

If this looks bad to you, then move on... You're personally responsible for anything you do and anything you get.

The question is whether you're going to whine and "LOOK" for a reason why it won't work, or if you're willing to roll your sleeves up and DO something.

Legit questions are appreciated. Whining and supporting others who want to whine with you will keep your progress at ZERO.

The rest of your comments show you make no sense and know nothing of what you're talking about...

Requiring payment for selling and "owning" products is something called Licensing. Maybe you've heard of the term Franchise before. And show me another program that can give you $1,000-$5,000+ commissions. And a big problem with affiliate marketing and def. a lot of what you see here, is the affiliates usually DON'T own the product and have never went through it, they promote blindly preaching it's awesomeness, then a lot of people end up getting crap products...

Not sure where in the world you got "make 1,100.00 over a 3 month period" from. Think much bigger than that. My best advice for you is to stick with Amazon since that's where you think you'll succeed better.

I wouldn't come here in the first place, but it seems like a lot of you like to knock what you haven't tried. And you're knocking a friend. A friend that has a system that is helping a lot people that are willing to help themselves, and it solves a lot of problems of them trying to do it all by themselves.

(Don't want to license someone's entire business out and don't see the huge value and leverage that gives you, then spend 2-3 years and create it yourself.)

It's also a system that I personally have had a lot of success with and plan to have a LOT more.

I've wasted enough time here already, but hopefully this will help a few people honestly looking for a real business and are willing to act fast and work the system. If you're thinking about joining ANY system, you don't come here to ask about it.

Why don't you contact people on the testimonials page that have actually went through and had success with it? Ask them questions, ask them if they'd be willing to help. Ask them for pro's and con's etc... Tell them your fears and frustrations, concerns...

"You are who you hang around with." -something to think about...

You are right Mattie,
I received an email from his Support Dept. saying that he will no longer answer questions.
Nice attitude, uh?

Use your brain. :rolleyes:

It would seem that the guarantee is MTTB's not the customer. If you are REQUIRED to pay the $1,997.00before you can complete the 21 steps than they still have $1500 of your money. You don't qualify for the $500 unless you have paid the $1,997.00 Simple Math and Simply Not cool for me. They win either way

It`s totally dishonest highway robbery
Ned Kelly would be proud to take your money.Looks like Matt aswell

ok, everybody is complaining about the $2000 fee for becoming a licensee, but I'm interested to know, because, I don't have the money that's for sure, HOW can I work my way up to becoming one?

Pls skpe me on gtopgun1 . I need to know more . Thanks.

Hey Clint, get that Marlon guy to read this thread, and quote Matt's word at post #37 "..........It actually won't cost you 2k to go through the 21 steps, if you don't want it to. You are perfectly welcome not to become a MOBE Licensee, and stay on as a regular affiliate....." See how he respond

Aaaaaaaand This is one of the reasons I hardly visit the Warrior Forum. Listen. Closely. If you actually think you're going to join a program and earn 1K,3K,5K commisions without investing some money into it and treating it like a real business, you're obviously fairly new to the IM Niche and need to further educate yourself in the field. Just being blunt about it.

To enter a program like this, and maximize results, you're going to need around $3049 in my opinion. $2049 for affiliate/licensing fees, and $1000 for traffic generation. I wouldn't enter unless I had that kind of capital ready to invest.

Just my opinion... But an experienced one.

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Dear Matt:
I really congratulate you for the achievements you have gained in your career and I must admit that many of us have not succeeded yet.
Just today I nearly Put me and pay the $ 1995, because I think it is a superb program.
But I ask two things:
You respect those still have not reached your achievements
(not saying I am Constantly surprised by how moronic some of the people on this forum are.)
Acknowledge that your proposal leads to misunderstandings that unintentionally set a scam.

Im really greatful to the Warrior Forum, I clicked on a link that appeared on FB and listened to the vid, read the sales page, and really liked the idea, I also knew myself that there would be extra costs like paid traffic which I didnt mind, I thought it would be another string to my bow.

But before I signed up I thought Id check out the review section at WF, just to get some feedback, and thats how I came to this thread.

So thank you WF , his sales page is wrong, ethically and morally, and for newbies that arent as wise as us on here, those that are sold and dive straight in, they in my opinion have been SCAMMED.

Invest? For me that "invest" is actually "steal". It's not investment, it's a lie. I already said that you can lie and become millionaire, but you will not be able to sleep at night, because of "curses" you will receive from the people you "scammed" and lied to. Secondly, if those guys earn "millions" already, how come they need more money? 1 million, if you spend it correctly, can serve you a life-time of non work. Well, as expected, greed is great flaw of humankind, and we will never evolve if we do not learn to appreciate what we have and don't ask from someone else.

Peace.

You totally miss the point. He's saying "spend $49 and you'll make money". Then he does the old bait and switch and hits you with the $2k to continue. And that my friend aint funny. It's called "misrepresentation" - it's a legal term - look it up. I have no doubt that the FTC and others have their eyes on this guy.

BTW how many people have claimed and received the $500? Exactly. Zip I'm guessing.

And you are a GENIUS... Not!

The point most people are talking about on this thread is the alleged misrepresentation on the sales letter about the system being free, which clearly it is not. $49 is far from free. Duh!

I'm not even talking about the $2,000 here.

Get real, you analogy is so flawed it is laughable, a gym doesn't say £25.00 a month membership then charge 40X that afterwards as they'd be sued, plus a gym doesn't make ANY promises about what you will get out of it.

A lot of noise to confuse the issue. Did the gym guarantee you that if you came in 21 days straight and did as they told you that you would succeed?

No. So you are comparing apples and rocks. Did he guarantee or not? Yes, he did. Is the guarantee valid and truthful? No, it is not. Did he lie and are you defending a liar? Yes to both questions. It is really very simple to honest people. Tell the truth. Say what you mean, and mean what you say.

These concepts are basic to anyone that is not comfortable with lying for gain.

Hi BOOG, can you give us more details like how and what? Thanks.

I highly doubt that. Did you contact MOBE support? Are you sure it's even MOBE and not something else you bought and forgot about?

Of course you are correct. People who are new to this business and are trying to learn deserve to be victimized . You are a very wise man. Not smug at all. Clearly you were born knowing it all. It is not like someone took the time and trouble to help you at some time in your flawless life.

We are blessed by your wisdom and consideration.

I have to agree with this comments. If I had $2000 in a first place, I wouldn't need to do any work online what so ever, because if I have $2000, that means I earn normally in regular life around $1000, which I don't. Then I like one more thing for Matt to explain here, how can I guy that earns currently $200 by working in a car wash be a part of your program? $49 is okay price, but for another $2000, man that is just plain and simple bollocks.

Btw, I have started to play Roulette online with a system that will grant me more money then this so called "Top Tier Business" that drains money from people for nothing.

Oh and I was looking a info on the Wired Income Package - Make An Income Online {FREE VIDEO} and does it deliver, because something is very familiar about his parents, they are very similar to some actors I have seen in movies and in tv series. But if I am wrong, then I sincerely apologize.

Not trying to be antagonistic but... who in their right might would waste their time coaching newbies if they are making a million per month?? THink about it, a LOT of marketing and management (social, PPC, SEO, outsourcing, accounting etc) would be involved in that type of operation. So much so that teaching people your 'secrets' for chump change is simply not believable. A lot of these 'mentors' are pretty much the same as Matt Lloyd - selling some readily available information through deception. Real coaches are mostly like teachers - they understand the methods and teach them, they don't actually do them at an incredibly successful level. That's fine because teachers are upfront about that - it's also fine for the IM coaches who are upfront about what they do too. If you think of this analogy between school teachers and unscrupulous IM coaches - they are like economics teachers pretending to be advisors to the White House, spilling the beans on the internal workings of foreign industrial economic policy and telling their students how to profit through insider trading etc. Sounds ridiculous, yes, BUT it's not much different to the IM coach who purports to make a million per month but is happy to waste their time teaching readily available information to newbies. As for the guy who makes millions per month who is happy to share his secret formula to success thereby diluting his competitiveness, market share and profits... that's not exactly the hallmark of a successful millionaire.

Putting my mastercard where it belong. I knew it sound too good t be true. WOW!

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The video is very misleading. Matt Lloyd should mention that you would need to invest at least 2k$ in his business to start getting high commissions. The product may be great (I don't know), but I personally would be shocked at $2000. This is way too much for me.

Hi Everyone,

I am so glad I research anything before I buy it lol.

Thanks to the Warrior forum I have now found out there is a catch and the marketing tactics used is very shady.

The reason why he claims people will make $1000.00 in 30 days is obvious. It preys on newbies, the desperate and vulnerable who don't do any research and who get sucked in by thinking in order to complete this course I have to pay the 2k to continue.

so that means the people you refer get tricked into paying the 2k which is how you make the 1k in 30 days. It is a no Brainer and obvious it must work but a very cruel and shady way in my opinion of marketing.

The way it gets even dirtier in my opinion is he asks you to sign an NDA the reason why is simple because he does not want it disclosed that in order to complete the 21 day course and be entitled to the guarantee you must pay the 2k. Now if that is not underhanded and dirty then people don't know the meaning of the word.

Some may say it is smart. I personally think it is deceitful, dirty and underhanded.

Think about this for a minute...

Those that are not able to afford the 2k are guaranteed to lose the $49.00

in order to get the Guarantee of $500.00 you have to complete the 21 day course.

After 7 days someone said in order to continue you must pay the 2k so in essence this means if you do not complete the course you won't get the $500.00 guarantee. So he never has to pay the Guarantee because some people who may or may not be able to afford it will pay the 2k in order to complete the 21 day course.

I am basing this on the second post where the Gentleman states in his first week he is told he has to pay the 2k to continue.

Lets say this is all true just for one minute.

If that is the case then in Matt's video he has told many lies, for example I can only do this $500.00 guarantee for a limited amount of people because otherwise my accountant will not be happy with me and words to the effect of he has already told me to stop.

If Marketers have to sell their products and services based on lies then what kind of message is that giving to people on the net !

Maybe the products and coaching is is excellent but the way it is presented has to be probably the most deceitful and dirtiest I have seen.


I don't despute that no doubt everything is worth the 2k and you will make money with this. But what I do think is out of order. People think they are only going ot have to pay $49.00 and it is not fair if they are led to think this when actually they will have to come up with 2k. People that cannot raise the 2k will not be able to continue and will lose the $49.00 and that is what I think is way out of order.

They should at least be told this all upfront when one of the Coaches calls them to see if they are suitable. Then that would make it fair.

At least you are not then tricking people into thinking all you pay is $49.00 and they have the opportunity to make a decision based on their finances.

I Am so thankful I did some research and found all this great information here.

Thank you for having the courage and coming in here to expose this for what it really is.

Again many thanks you saved me $49.00

Think about this for a minute too.

You are getting emails from a list you are on from a person that you thought you could trust right ?

Why are they not divulging all the information because believe me they know all about the up sells, tricks etc.. This then makes them as shady and if not more shady.

So ask yourself this ?

Can I trust this person who just sent me this knowing that he knew all the deceitful tricks I was about to face ?

Answer is obvious and I would get off that list fast.

I plan to get off the list now who sent it to me.

Also one last thing ?

Why is it that we are told this is the best and only product or service you will ever need and shortly after the same marketer will send you another email claiming it again. Then they will bring out their own claiming it again and then shortly after will send you someone else's claiming it again.

Is there any marketers out there that really want to help people make money with no catches and just focus on sharing what they have learned. Someone genuine who tells you everything upfront and is not out to trick you or rip you off.

I am yet to see it.

can someone share how the MTTB works?

Are we selling /promoting the MTTB licence to newcomers? or are they giving us a set of different products to sell.?

MichelleR

Please don't chuck away a lot of money in the hope of making money fast!!! I have been trying to succeed in IM for a long time and no, I don't have tons of money to spend, but got suckered a few times.
The moral of all this is to LEARN first. Try someone like Chris Farell's membership - a decent honest guy willing to teach you.

Join the FREE challenges run by people like Ed Dale, Sue Worthington, Tiffany Lambert. They offer value, they teach you first and if you do want to buy their products they are sensibly priced with no hidden upsells or nasty surprises!

It is possible to make money online, but not FAST..you have to put in the work and the time. I am sorry if this not what you want to hear..the reason guys like Matt Lloyd succeed is because people want shortcuts and are desperate, so they pay..pay and pay...that way leads to financial ruin..don't go there!

PM me if you want any further info..but read the whole of this thread before signing up for this product/scheme...there are enough red flags for you to make a sensible decision..

I don't believe you can complete Steps 7-21 without the Phone Sales Guy unlocking them and the only way to unlock them to buy the License... unless I missed something...

i'm bit concern on your claim.

all your 13 posting are done on the same date "21 dec 2013", and referring to high ticket internet marketing. personally i dont think you claim is legit. at least that is what the impression that i get.

Hello fellow warriors. I'm going to be as transparent as it gets.
I joined My Top Tier Business about a month ago, if that, haven't made any sales yet, but that's my fault and not the systems fault except for one thing: One of the problems I did have so far is that somehow the coaches completely lost touch with me, so I couldn't get the rest of my steps unlocked for almost 2 weeks, that was REEEEALLY frustrating, especially since I'm not a man of many dollars, and I really want to make this system work out.

The good news is I was able to keep busy, because I actually bought the $2000 License Rights program before I even continued with all the steps, so I was able to digest that content in the meantime. The coaches never did get back in touch with me, but what I did was get in touch with support, and they unlocked it right away.

Before joined I had watched the sales video, but I know too good to be true when I see it, what do you think I did? Came to the Warrior Forum, and completely uncovered all of the surprises. Some upset customer told the entire thing off. I completely understood where that guy was coming from, the video had promised that you would make money before you have to spend money. One lie like that and I'm usually gone, however I watched as Matt came on and explained himself, did a terrible job explaining himself professionally, because he took a pretty aggressive approach and kind of attacked the guy who did the posting.
As unprofessional as it was though, it did give me a sense of who Matt (the owner) was as a person. I could resonate with the responses that he was giving, and I could tell that his intentions were good, hes legitimately trying his best to create the best Internet Marketing experience possible. He's done a LOT, so I give him a lot of credit. I respect the grind and the effort, even though its not perfect, a hardworker can always understand another.

This didn't make the blatant lie in the video OK, but I took an understanding to why that lie was over there too. I figured this man wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing when he made the video, and he doesn't really seem like he wants to deceive people, but he did what he felt was necessary to get the business going, and it had definitely worked.

So I asked myself, why did the system work? And what about those people who signed up anyway? Did they not see the same lie? That's why I joined. People signed up anyway, and you get $1000 each time someone signs up, will people just stop signing up all of a sudden? No, if you advertise correctly, people will always sign up. What's important to me is that the end product that the user receives, is not only valuable as a resell product. I must be able to buy the product and receive the entire value of my purchase. And after using the course, and comparing with other similar courses, I say you receive well over $2000 worth of value from the$2000 purchase. As long as that is true, you have a business.

The products are a bit outdated, some information has changed from a year or 2 ago, I would appreciate it if the products were on Youtube where the changes could be annotated, so that someone who is following the system the wrong way (word for word) can still succeed. If you know how the internet works , you know how quickly things can become old. The good thing is that if you have half a brain, you will understand that change is the only guarantee, and work your way around whatever you see changed. Things change, but not that much that you should be completely thrown off course.

I have not used the support except one time to unlock the steps which they got to right away. The support from the coaches I would give probably a 1/10 for the coach that I was transferred to, and an 8/10 from the coach I was transferred from. This is because the coach I was transferred to completely NEVER responded to me. All of the coaches are very wealthy, and very experienced, personally, I don't believe they should be coaches. In my experience with customer service, responsiveness beats everything else.

When dealing with a momentum based business like this, lack of responsiveness from those that are supposed to help you is the number one cause of buzzkill. I have to wonder, I have business experience already, and I'm a very understanding guy, not the complaining type. If I was a complete newbie, I would probably be screaming for a refund at that point. So anyone that I recruit, I will make sure that I can always be there to support them personally, in case that same situation happens to them.

They seem like really genuine people, and very pleasant to talk to, but that all goes out the window when the coach completely quits responding to you. I know its probably a misunderstanding, but man that frustration is a bad one.

Anyway I don't really have time for proofreading, I feel like I may have made some typos, but feel free to ask me any questions if you wish, I will give you 100% transparent answers. I'm not posting any links, I'm not asking anyone to join, I just believe transparency is a customer right, and if you're here, the truth is what you're looking for.

Brilliant! You guys need to take this in before parting with your money.

If you know how to drive traffic to an offer, then you don't need MTTB. Just use your brain, pick out some good selling offers on ClickBank and make money with ZERO investment (or whatever you pay for traffic if you do).

This whole MTTB thing sounds like just another empower network type of deal: Make money by convincing others you're going to help them make money.

its real simple Marcel, spare us the BS, below that isn't relevant, what is relevant is that the sales pitch is full of lies and deception and Matt seems to have a sever issue with providing full COMPLETE HONEST disclosure in advance which always equals scam & fraud,
trickery and deception is no way to get business, and taking advantage of the ignorance of others is a hellacious way to make DISHONEST money which BTW comes with HUGE karmic debt that must be repaid at some point, spare us the smokescreen and deal with the REAL issues

YES YOU DO NEED TO PURCHASE THE LICENSE, ASK YOUR COACH AND SUPPORT!

Lets see to start with there is an offer of make a guaranteed $100 or we pay you $500, no more fees apart from the $50 as seen on the john chow site. after step 7 the coach guy then tries to trick you into paying $2000.

Even if you do pay that amount of money your then given access to some exclusive products (that are likely worthless info products) as well as the ability to sell the rights to sell the rights again.

This is where you then spend money promoting their program all over again to scam others, the coach is there not to coach you but is part of the phone team to make the sale on the resale rights again.

I can't see this being around for long it is nothing but a publicly advertised scam.

The people trying to promote it are saying is that it works for some people and not for everyone, avoiding the fact that your not actually selling anything with ANY VALUE TO ANYONE.

What he talks all makes sense and is good information but doesn't apply to his products or system as its a complete scam.

Its a system that works but it ONLY WORKS FOR THE OWNERS!

CtrlAltRage, speaking of WSOs released here everyday, I found most of them to be junk. A few were good, but most were junk or had little to no follow up support or updates. What do you expect for a few bucks? The world?

That is why I have stopped purchasing WSOs and visiting this forum for a long while because I was busy on another forum where the members were "in the know" about so many of the junk systems and products offered up for sale to the neophyte masses.... I learned to let go of the "shiny new object" syndrome. Really, I purchased WSOs just to satisfy my curiosity and for the few bucks I paid each time, my curiosity was satisfied.

REAL CUTTING-EDGE INFO and PRODUCTS WILL TYPICALLY COST A HANDSOME FEE, MY FRIENDS. Don't expect too much for $7 to $100 for the products and services offered in WSOs.

But, in regards to MOBE and MTTB... my personal opinion is that it is designed to work on your greed and desperation factor so that the originators can get their hands into your wallet. The system is just another system designed to work primarily for the originators... and a hard working few who didn't know they could set up the same type of funnels and have PLR rights purchased for a fraction of the price and asked for in MOBE and MTTB. There ARE many systems that actually work, my friends... for far LE$$.

I recently received an email from being on John Chow's subscriber list and was introduced to this program. I, like many people, considered the "if I can get all my money back after trying the 21 steps in 30 days why not try it" though, but after reading this thread (which I appreciate very much) I'm going to pass.

In large part, this program is without a doubt a MLM, and in of itself there's nothing wrong with that. Of course, no one actually tells you that up front or you wouldn't get many takers. Big thanks to ManAPV for providing the pyramid payout structure for this program.

I don't doubt that a motivated person could make money from this, but as far as I can tell the money is made off of other people signing up for this program, or after you pay your $1997 to get as many other people as possible to pay the $1997. What's even more interesting are the higher tiers of membership to earn even more for signing people up those very higher levels.

So again, the true money's not coming from the sale of products, it's the sale of memberships or in their terms "licenses". But also again, I say there's nothing wrong with that.

No offense to Matt, but people who go all in on a MLM are like being in a cult. The very first response to someone calling it a pyramid scheme is to say "well, you work in a corporation and all you're doing is enriching the person above you all the way up to the CEO, it's the exact same thing". It makes me laugh.

But what the heck, more power to you. I suppose if you're going to make this your life you need to defend against something that has a bad connotation to it. But I digress...

lol maybe the best forum name of alltime

Oh look - two posts. Another shill? Reads like a Fiverr "review". There's something not right here. This whole thread is seeded with posts like this.

2 posts in two years? Yeah you are a "real" user, it would be awesome to join, if only Matt told us the truth the WHOLE truth and nothing but the TRUTH. it would also be awesome if Matt believed like 99% or real warriors that full disclosure in advance is critical to long term success.

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Anyone promoting proven shady offers are capable of everything.
Back in the days I was basically homeless and working for food and had enablers telling me I could make hundreds a day selling drugs,never did and feel great about it.

The internet is awesome and cruel at the same time,you can earn for free with many affiliate programs,Offervault has worked for me.
Cruel because there are those that know can getaway with scamming ignorant and desperate people.
Patsies are alive and well it seems just about in every forum.

A few weeks back I was offered a huge discount on a mobile program,I could've bought it for $9,the original price was about $50,well I didn't.

Stop dreaming,no one will sell you the Holy Grail,I wouldn't.
I usually don't post when I come here cause it's the usual thing,sellers and promoters so I just read and research,WF is awesome but it won't make miracles.

Try trial and error,I did and it worked,it took me a long while but I'm glad I didn't listen to common scammers.

Scrapebox has no affiliate program so when I tell you is a good program is because it is and there are others right here on Warrior Forum.

Just don't go falling for MLM type scams,there don't care about you and will sell you dirt for 1000x the value.

I don't care what anyone has to say,if the shoes fit bite me.
You know who you are.

Well I gotta say, this was a solid reply. It tells people the full story (if that's the case - which I hope) - without other bullshit.

This still remains a bad pyramid scheme, which only will work for people who already have some kind of traffic source (and are willing to scam it - like JohnChow), but at least people learn what they signed up for. THIS should be the advertisement for his product and not those useless 10 pages of marketing yada-yada, which probably don't even tell you that you have to pay $49, but only talk about your "eMail".

Bottom line. Solid post.

do you work for them sir? if not your post is 100% for sure a violation of their terms and conditions that you had to agree to if you joined them, so you either work for them, or you just violated the TOS, kindly be honest and tell us which is the case?

Now that's what I like to see , creativity ...an action taker, not a whiner, kudos
to you Samuel

@WillR you really have given a marketing mindset lesson that can
make money for any adopter , but we both know, complainers will always
just complain...

So if people want to create their own funnels and do split tests on all their
creatives to see what works, and pay for the graphics they need created, and
program the plugins, or purchase those created by someone else,
and establish a telemarketing group to close their sales ,hey let 'em...roflmao :p

Me, I know what I would do...

. I'm guessing that, if all I paid was the $49, I'd end up "on my own, in the street" with a "get by" product and no support.

I guess I'll sit MTTB out. <sigh>

Freshwater Diatomaceous Earth, better insect/pest control! (if you've got bugs or your dog has fleas....)

thats exactly what it seems to be, you hit that one on the head.

These types of selling strategies are always controversial, because many people can be very successful and many can and will fall by the wayside (not always through inaction).

As to the scam side of things:
Yes in the true context of offering something for free and then asking for $49 it is.
No in the context of offering solid products, support and training it is not a scam, as they do exist and are being sold by licensed MOBE members ( I am not one of them ). A little bit of due diligence quickly reveals this to be the case.

I am not so sure about the McDonalds analogy as much of the monies seems to come from selling others into the idea of getting MOBE licenses, rather than just selling the products themselves.
I know someone who operates a franchise and he is not out trying to get others to buy into the franchise - he is busy selling products and making it into a business that works and pays to feed his family.

The fact is this style of selling really needs to appeal to you and if you apply the methodology and enjoy doing it rather than going through the motions, you have a far higher chance of succeeding.

1. That blog post is over half a year old.

2. That blog post is written by someone, who self admittedly, isn't even a member of My Top Tier Business. Tell me this. If you were going to buy a brand new toaster would you listen to reviews by people who had never even purchased the toaster and thus had no actual experience with it... or would you listen to those who are actually using the toaster. Only idiots would do the first one.

It really is no wonder 99% of you guys will fail to ever make a dollar online. It's because you are just a herd of sheep with no ability to think for yourselves. It really amazes me.

If you want to make $30,000/month like I did last month using this system, shoot me a PM and I'll help you out. I'm only ever interested in helping action takers because the rest of you are your own worst enemies. True story. I've been marketing online for 10+ years now and I have seen thousands of you guys come and go... and so the cycle continues.

So tired of all the online complainers who think the world is out to get them. Much easier to blame everything else for your own lack of success isn't it? Go jump in front of the mirror and you'll instantly see the reason why you have not had any success on line as yet.

YAWN YAWN YAWN. Back to making money. Bye.

Tut.

You don't need to repeat exactly what someone said earlier.

Right on Brother!

Big marketers don't talk about ALL the trials they have been there to get to where they are.

They might make it look easy, but they have a TON of experience.

Whatever the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve.

Focus on YOUR goals.. Don't focus on the "HOW", focus on the "WHY".

Once again, the Warrior Forum comes through with good info and I'm glad I came here first to dig up facts for my review.

Aside from Matt's ad-hominem attacks on anyone who questions the integrity of his pitch video's integrity, the simple (not even subtle) bait and switch is what most of these WF members are pointing out.

Personally, I love it though, the sales copy is great and the business model is innovative. It's just a shame that you didn't slip in some disclosure about the greater opportunities earlier on.

Fact is, when your sales pitch claims you will never NEVER be asked for a credit card for your "free" system and you are asked for $49 within minutes of the first claim, people think that's sketchy. Sorry sir, but that is how your sales pitch plays out and you designed it.

My .02
Dan

Huh, I guess I'm genuinely confused.
Here's an excerpt of customer service exchange where i asked about what Matt had posted on WF (see below)-
Either Matt and customer service are contradicting each other here or I am missing something-

My email to customer service-
I saw in the WF where Matt Lloyd said that if you sign up just as an affiliate, you still can receive $1,000 commissions on the basic licensing program. Is this correct?

Response from customer service-
This statement is not correct, in order to get $1k in comms on MOBE Licensing program, they need to be a licensee himself, thanks



(excerpted from this thread, Aug 2013)
Originally Posted by RobertoM
Hey Matt,

Thank you for your answer, but my question still stands.

You see, I'd never ever enter into a brand new system to earn a lousy $500 guarantee.
I'm too tired, too stressed and too disappointed losing time money and effort to make a decent living with IM, so the $500 doesn't mean nothing to me. If I enter to MTTB just for the guarantee, I would feel like a thief (a stupid one though).

So here I go again:
*Is it possible to make those $1.000 within 30 days after completing the MTTB 21 steps WITHOUT purchasing MOBE initially, and buying it afterwords when your budget allows it?*

I'm sure you'll shoot an honest answer.


Matt Lloyd' response-
Here's the deal: I have over 37 different products... that teach IM topics like email marketing, to affiliate marketing, outsourcing, phone sales, product creation, etc...

When you go through MTTB, you automatically become a MOBE affiliate. That means you can promote the majority of our MOBE products.

Granted, you get smaller commissions than what the MOBE Licensee's get... but, compared to any other affiliate program out there, you're still paid well.

MTTB is one of the funnels you can promote - there's over a dozen others you can choose from.

So can you make $1000 in commissions without becoming a MOBE Licensee? Yes.

I won't be touching MTTB any time soon since I personally would not lay down $2k just to promote something. That's just a personal belief that i have. Regardless of how amazing or effective the program is I am not paying for the privilege to promote it.

I would think (just thinking out loud) that the initial $49 fee would be used more as a weeding out process to see who really has the skill set and/or ambition/motivation to promote the program.

That seems far more effective is narrowing down those who have the best ability and energy to put into the program.

Just saying...but i know of other programs who give their reseller license away as long as a certain number of sales/traffic is thrown at their tracked links within a certain period. The barrier to entry to the program in this way is simply that the marketer knows how to drive targeted traffic quickly and effectively, and he's able to prove that he can do so.

However, it appears that with the current setup of MTTB is centered around pulling in the most $$ out of buyers as possible prior to allowing them to promote the program.

Not saying that's unethical or bad. Just a curious observation.