WSO report is worst thing I ever paid for - what to do?

I must agree. post the review in the wso thread and give your
personal opinion. I think we have all had this experience here
before one time or another.

great information Big Mike

Not exactly. It was disorganized, rambling, extremely vague, cagey, derivative (required knowledge of someone else's marketing system) and nearly devoid of examples.

This made it hard to understand and hard to extract action steps from.

Maybe someone else could find the gems in it, but I couldn't and I am a very smart person.

Would saying something like the above be useful in the WSO thread or do I need to get into more detail for it to be fair?

Thank you to everyone for the opinions expressed so far.

Marcia Yudkin

I once purchased a WSO which didn't live up to the hype and opted to contact the seller privately so as not to 'spoil' their WSO.

They were very friendly and agreed to a refund. After many PMs and excuses for days and weeks a senior long-standing Warrior posted an honest review which I imagine pretty much ended the sales for that WSO.

The seller disappeared, is now banned, and I never saw the refund.

Later the WSO thread started getting "where are you?" type posts.

This was a 'borderline' WSO. It wasn't complete crap, just misrepresented. Like you mentioned there may have been a single nugget hidden in there. And it was run by an apparent Mr NiceGuy.

If I had posted my own review at the time, it might have saved others some grief, and I will certainly not hesitate to do so in the future.

I don't agree with your comment because it perpetuates the cycle of poor quality offers.

One of the benefits of running a WSO is to get the feedback you need to refine your product and copy. No product is perfect and if taken contructively, negative feedback can be really helpful for improving the product. At the same time, members got a nice deal on various products.

Poor quality offers are allowed for one reason only - we as members allow them. Yes, sometimes an offer get's spoiled, but that's the risk the seller takes when he or she posts it.

The onus is on them to deliver something that lives up to their copy - not for the buyers to tuck their tails between their legs and walk away.

Hell yes. I've been thinking this myself, and though I'm not in the WSO forum much (except for research) I do try to call B.S. when I see it in this forum. We're all member moderators and when you see crap, call it crap. If you ignore it, it'll just trick some other well meaning person or innocent newb. Then people will stop buying stuff in this industry altogether as the quality erodes further and further.

Since we're member moderated NO ONE can "get away" with any kind of shenanigans here because you can speak out against it.

NOTE: I know you can't name names, and grief in here. I mean when someone repeats false info, or bad methods - call em out and make them justify the source. If someone makes a bunk product, give a negative (but fair) review and get your money back. WE ALL can do our part to raise the bar here and keep it high. Vote with your dollars and SPEAK OUT against misinformation when you see it.

That's what keeps our little community pool so sparkling clean.

If everyone did that, no one would buy anything. Not to dis on you, but consider that you're actually operating on a false principle that multiple positive comments means it's good. What really happens is a domino "me too" effect. That's why testimonials are so effective, even at selling crappy products. They SELL because they are perceived as "True" when even if they are real, they're simply the opinions of people who may be ignorant, or have been compensated. There's just no way to know.

What you CAN rely on is experience and a well developed BS detector. You can get both here on the main forum, ESPECIALLY if we all start acting in the way above and only sharing what we KNOW vs. what we've READ, and calling BS when we see it. When you do that, you can rely on yourself to evaluate what info is worth buying and what isn't.

Anyway, not trying to single you out - just wanted to share what your post made me think of. Social "proof" is not really "proof".

Yes, please leave feedback, good or bad so other members can benefit from your experience.

I totally agree with Big Mike here.

The WSO section is mainly a self policing sort of thing that we should all take time to help protect.

More people giving their honest opinions (good or bad) will really help others who are just starting out to get some direction as well as help those of us who are a little more advanced with some support to make an informed decision.

When I first started here, I would always look a comments and feedback in a WSO thread before making a decision because I felt like I could trust that other members would give their unbiased opinion.

I would ask for a refund and also post some feedback within the thread in a review style fashion. The reason I would do it this way is because what may be garbage to you, may be gold to someone else. If you point out the good and the bad, someone else may be looking for exactly the good elements.

To me, this is how we help each other out.

Isn't that what this forum is all about?

What the drunken Greek said........

You know, that's an interesting perspective. I like it a lot. But do that after you post an honest review and get your refund. I don't like having to pay money for a product which I then have to do all the work to make it match that value. I could have done that for free, you know?

But once you HAVE the info, and you're no longer devoid of money for nothing, THEN you can maybe see what kind of value you can add to what you were fooled into buying. I'm all for the learning experience you describe, I really am. But the seller should get one too, and you shouldn't have to foot the bill for yours (because if you put a value on your time, you'd be paying for it double).

Thank you for the Nasrudin story. Charming.

I don't believe I need that particular life experience or practice, however. I've been a college professor, a career in which one needs to become very skilled at extracting value from poorly written or highly abstruse materials, whether by students or colleagues or even the "greats."

However, there's a huge difference between doing it as part of your job and doing it for your personal enrichment. I don't believe there was any hidden value for me in this particular report. When it comes to one's personal quest for knowledge, some materials are worth the effort and others are not.

Marcia Yudkin

Nuh uh. Were those "infamous chilies" labeled "delicious juicy fruit"? I'll bet not.

If the sales copy promises something that isn't delivered by the product or service, a refund is more than warranted.

Marcia,

I'm with you on this issue. I almost bought a WSO yesterday, looked at the sample provided and was appalled at the grammar, typos, non-congruent sentences, etc. When another Warrior posted a polite, but less than glowing review, I decided to pass on the WSO.

Mike's comments are great to hear. I wish there where more reviews, positive and negative. If you like a WSO, please post your thoughts. Likewise, if it's not what your were sold or poor quality, speak up. Either way, remain professional about it.

I always get a little scared when people post "I bought it, I'll be back with a review" and then you never hear from them. Makes you think.

Mark