What tactics are working these days?

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Long time IM guy here but I dropped out of the game a long time ago and I want to get back to IM!!!


(edit What a great response I got! Based on some advice below, I'm adding some more details and want a gut reaction from you all?

My intent is to create a course that helps people who have a background in internet marketing/ side hustles/ making money online... to get a $200k plus salaried jobs at tech companies.

WHATS YOU'RE GUT REACTION TO THAT VALUE PROP?

maybe for you successful warriors not too interesting... perhaps maybe for you guys struggling? *shrug"
#days #tactics #working
  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    Originally Posted by kalki411 View Post

    Long time IM guy here but I dropped out of the game a long time ago and I want to get back to IM!!!


    Different things work for different people.

    Whatever you were doing before, should
    still work for you now.

    For me it is affiliate marketing, website
    development, digital downloads, this and
    that. But I have been at it for 20+ years
    and all of my methods were established
    over time with tons of effort.

    I suggest that you assess your skills and
    experience, and figure out how to apply
    them to an online business, that is the
    only way to know which tactics work.
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    • Profile picture of the author cryptone24
      saw your message in this thread, anything you recommend to buy to learn your strategy, or do you have your own product?
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      • Profile picture of the author kalki411
        Originally Posted by cryptone24 View Post

        saw your message in this thread, anything you recommend to buy to learn your strategy, or do you have your own product?
        Nothing to buy or sell... At least not yet! if I did have a product it sounds like you'd be interested in finding out more?

        --
        Through my journey I didn't really buy courses or info products!

        One I course I can recommend (which was free when I took it) is "the Lean Startup" (it's also a book). And it influenced me a lot. It's got some principles about validating ideas that have helped me to be more evidence based in my ventures and career.

        Funnily enough that's why I asked for feedback on the value proposition! If more folks show interest in the idea, I'll invest more time money and effort into building it out.

        I did hire freelancers a lot though in my early Internet marketing hustles which also helped train me to be very specific and just how to manage other people a bit which helped me advance from a junior to senior product manager very quickly... there's huge demand for 'senior' skills but it's already what most of you warriors do every day.
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    • Profile picture of the author catexotica
      20+ years
      and all of my methods were established
      over time with tons of effort.
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      • This discussion here isn't as specific as I hoped, but then again, I might be too specific, myself.

        Apply the basics, and then simply discipline and hard work.
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        • Profile picture of the author Monetize
          Originally Posted by Philip Carpenter View Post

          This discussion here isn't as specific as I hoped, but then again, I might be too specific, myself.

          Apply the basics, and then simply discipline and hard work.


          Most people are not going to provide specifics because
          everybody does things differently. One person might be
          using a method, or a combination of methods, that works
          perfectly for them, but another person would not be able
          to duplicate it.

          If you require specificity, then you should probably read
          a book on whichever method interests you, or a general
          book about making money online, side hustles, work
          from home, home business, etc.

          You can also search and read through this forum and
          ask any questions that you may have.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by kalki411 View Post

    Long time IM guy here but I dropped out of the game a long time ago and I want to get back to IM!!!
    Tactics: an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end. From the Oxford Language Dictionary.

    If this definition is agreeable with you...you need to take ACTION on a PLANNED strategy to reach your GOAL.

    So, what is your goal for getting back into IM?? Is it a financial goal? Is it a time goal with a certain monetary achievement attached?

    Setting things up from the GOAL to now is known as either reverse engineering or backward chaining. If you have a clear goal in mind it makes it much easier to create a map on how to get from today to your goal in the future.

    Successful tactics don't often change. In marketing, or IM if you prefer, you need to have exchanges of value. That is a basic fundamental. You can create or acquire. Which will you do?

    If you have another meaning in mind, such as the latest trend, gimmick or hot strategy of the day, then that is a different animal altogether.

    Goal. Time. ADJUSTMENT. Action Steps. Adjustment. GOAL beginning.

    Good luck if you want to make IM a lifelong tactic, and better LUCK if you are looking for the latest daze craze.

    GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author SARubin
    Originally Posted by kalki411 View Post

    What tactics are working these days?


    Long time IM guy here but I dropped out of the game a long time ago and I want to get back to IM!!!
    I don't really have a tactic for you, as much as a personal mindset. And despite the changing times and changing mediums, in the last 25 years my process has never failed me...

    Find a market. Have a product the market wants. Sell the product to the market.
    Test, track, measure...

    Rinse and repeat until acceptable results are achieved.
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    • Originally Posted by SARubin View Post


      Find a market. Have a product the market wants. Sell the product to the market.
      Test, track, measure...
      A trio of definite articles in perpetyool flux.

      Plus also, whenya wanna kiss sumone, is this tactics, zackly?

      In the wannahood?

      thb our myriad swarm of wants defines our natchrl diversity.

      So you gotta get spessificksy, always.

      Meet points are infinitely myootable ... an' herein lies ruckwirement for wide lens focus.
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      • Profile picture of the author SARubin
        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        A trio of definite articles in perpetyool flux.

        Plus also, whenya wanna kiss sumone, is this tactics, zackly?

        In the wannahood?

        thb our myriad swarm of wants defines our natchrl diversity.

        So you gotta get spessificksy, always.

        Meet points are infinitely myootable ... an' herein lies ruckwirement for wide lens focus.
        Amen to that.

        Trends may come and tactics may go, but when it comes to the foundation of selling, that song remains the same..
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    Everything works if you can get the right data to make it work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moodesburn1977
    They are many methods that work these days as you put it, but the main ways for me or methods is blogging you tube and email marketing, mainly because for example if you are on facebook or twitter you are playing by the platform rules, but with blogging it is your own website and you are in charge and you can choose to provide valuable content, and if u stay consisent you can write good quality articles, the same for your email list instead of pitching all the time, you can provde value in your writing on how you can actually help them by sending good quality emails focusing on your subscribers and providing value, for you tube produce 3 or 4 videos a day, i notice you tube share your videos when u post on a regualry or dailly basis, hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Originally Posted by kalki411 View Post

    Long time IM guy here but I dropped out of the game a long time ago and I want to get back to IM!!!
    Yup: ask a better question, get a better answer.

    No magic bullets.

    Just a target market, an offer, and you assessing how good that match-up is.

    I've been saying what I'm about to share next since 2011, and guess what...the fundamentals never go out of style.

    Everybody, including you, who wants to make money needs a

    LEAD GENERATION system.

    You also need a QUALIFICATION system.

    Then you need a CLOSING system.

    And, finally, you need a FULFILLMENT SYSTEM.

    The kind of question you asked at the start, I suspect, is related to the first system. Lead Generation. Well, this is a choice. It is based on knowing who your audience is, and where they hang out.

    Everyone trying to make money online needs a way of attracting their ideal customer, and enticing them to move over to their little bit of the internet.

    In technical terms, this is knowing your traffic source, and having them "hop" to a landing page, aka squeeze page, and give at least their email address in exchange for something.

    What's that? You expected to send them directly to the sales page, maybe as an affiliate? Bad idea. That would be skipping the next step, which is

    QUALIFYING that lead.

    This means filtering. Many people aren't a fit for the offer. They never will be. When I inform sellers that some people will simply never buy, no matter how much you hammer them with your offer, it's a revelation to them. So you want to identify these people ASAP and get them off your list.

    In contrast, you also want to identify who IS a good fit for your offer, and get them onto a segmented part of your list where they'll get more opportunities to see the offer as well as what I'll call "supporting evidence".

    That's right: newbies send the lead to the sales page only one time. And then it's over.

    Experienced sellers know to qualify and nurture that lead, giving them several opportunities to see the sales page over the coming days or weeks, and therefore more chances to buy.

    Which leads us to the CLOSING system.

    You need to decide how you will help qualified leads become buyers.

    Depending on the offer and your comfort zone, you have choices. A text-based sales letter with a buy button at the end. A video sales letter with a buy button at the end. A phone or Zoom call with an offer at the end, and a walkthrough by the salesperson to take payment. Some other method.

    And then you need some kind of consistent way to give the buyer what they paid for: the FULFILLMENT system.

    If you were to take a piece of paper and write down in plain language, just one or two sentences each, what your choice is for each of these four systems...well, you'd be ahead of nearly all of those people who call themselves "online marketers".

    You wouldn't be flying blind.

    And if a particular system didn't work out based on the evidence over the next 2-3 months, you can erase what you wrote and replace it with another method.

    Yup, a three day period doesn't count as genuine data gathering to find out whether something works or not. You have to stick with it longer. Most people don't. They fly blind, by knee jerk reaction and what "looks cool" instead of by any actual plan.

    As an affiliate marketer, you abdicate the Closing and Fulfillment systems to the seller. But this also means you don't have to invest in developing them. If they're proven to work and customers are happy, this could save you a lot of effort.

    I started to say above that what most people are asking when "what's working?" is the question, when you drill down to it, is about the Lead Generation system. But leads alone are not enough. They are unqualified. They could be from the wrong target market. And so devotees of this kind of blind flying are throwing a lot of garbage traffic one time at a closing method they've probably never thought about, and end up wondering why it doesn't convert.

    If you'd rather do better than that, apply what I've shared.
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    • Profile picture of the author SARubin
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Everybody, including you, who wants to make money needs a

      LEAD GENERATION system.

      You also need a QUALIFICATION system.
      Insightful as always, Jason.

      And when it comes to advertising I try to combine lead generation and qualifying as much as possible, right up front. I first learned this lesson from Dan kennedy when I heard him say "Your advertising has 2 purposes. The first one is to attract the right people to your offer, and the second is to repel the wrong people from your offer."

      Easier said than done sometimes, but it's still a worthy aspiration to strive for every time.

      I will also add FOLLOW-UP NURTURING to the list, for the sake of the lifetime value of a customer.

      Even a little thing like sending a thank you note can help someone feel good about doing business with us again.
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      • This is interesting; people keep saying we wish to expand our nets, target as many people, but this marketer basically says that approach can be detrimental. Where can I learn more about the dangers of unfocused marketing in the name of targeting as many as possible?
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      First, Jason has been singing the same tune, and I have ALWAYS agreed with his IM premise, and I still do. He offers a mini course in IM, pithy and succinct. And SARubin has always been insightful based on his vast copy experience.

      AND, they both have rendered great advice in this thread.

      My 'concern' is, their advice is too far down the road for this guy returning to IM, but I have very limited information to work off of...not knowing what he really wants to do or what returning to IM even means.

      Over the last 40 years I've seen and been a party to thousands of people starting businesses and getting involved in money making projects. MOST fail.

      Going back to MAIL ORDER as it was featured in the 1970-80's, where there was as much information on how to do it from successful people who DID it...still, the majority FAILED.

      I contend, until it is clearly settled, until there is no wobble, that a DEFINITE PURPOSE has to be step one. Call it Goal if you want. Anything wishy-washy, nebulous, sort-of or undefined starts out with a higher potential for FAILURE...than when one starts with a very clear cut view of where they want to go.

      The OP, wanting to get back into IM is one of those people, as my best guess allows...to be among those who DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.

      And therefore, all solid, great advice given...will not only fall on deaf ears, it could be detrimental to the process.

      Now this isn't true for everyone, only about 80% of those start-ups or beginner's or start overs...and we have 20 years of PROOF and examples right on this forum.

      YEARS spent chasing an IM dream. DECADES lost to butterflies chasing unicorns.

      So, my somewhat contrarian opinion is; DECIDE INTENT first.

      What do you want and why? THEN one would be able to implement the great advice provided by Jason, SARubin, Claude and the many other Warriors who have tried and tested information to share.

      INTENT. Clearly defined, seen as completed in the future, surrounded by all that comes with it...is Square ONE, first-step and then the tactics, strategies and implementations.

      GordonJ


      Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

      Insightful as always, Jason.

      And when it comes to advertising I try to combine lead generation and qualifying as much as possible, right up front. I first learned this lesson from Dan kennedy when I heard him say "Your advertising has 2 purposes. The first one is to attract the right people to your offer, and the second is to repel the wrong people from your offer."

      Easier said than done sometimes, but it's still a worthy aspiration to strive for every time.

      I will also add FOLLOW-UP NURTURING to the list, for the sake of the lifetime value of a customer.

      Even a little thing like sending a thank you note can help someone feel good about doing business with us again.
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Yup: ask a better question, get a better answer.

      No magic bullets.

      Just a target market, an offer, and you assessing how good that match-up is.

      I've been saying what I'm about to share next since 2011, and guess what...the fundamentals never go out of style.

      Everybody, including you, who wants to make money needs a

      LEAD GENERATION system.

      You also need a QUALIFICATION system.

      Then you need a CLOSING system.

      And, finally, you need a FULFILLMENT SYSTEM.

      The kind of question you asked at the start, I suspect, is related to the first system. Lead Generation. Well, this is a choice. It is based on knowing who your audience is, and where they hang out.

      Everyone trying to make money online needs a way of attracting their ideal customer, and enticing them to move over to their little bit of the internet.

      In technical terms, this is knowing your traffic source, and having them "hop" to a landing page, aka squeeze page, and give at least their email address in exchange for something.

      What's that? You expected to send them directly to the sales page, maybe as an affiliate? Bad idea. That would be skipping the next step, which is

      QUALIFYING that lead.

      This means filtering. Many people aren't a fit for the offer. They never will be. When I inform sellers that some people will simply never buy, no matter how much you hammer them with your offer, it's a revelation to them. So you want to identify these people ASAP and get them off your list.

      In contrast, you also want to identify who IS a good fit for your offer, and get them onto a segmented part of your list where they'll get more opportunities to see the offer as well as what I'll call "supporting evidence".

      That's right: newbies send the lead to the sales page only one time. And then it's over.

      Experienced sellers know to qualify and nurture that lead, giving them several opportunities to see the sales page over the coming days or weeks, and therefore more chances to buy.

      Which leads us to the CLOSING system.

      You need to decide how you will help qualified leads become buyers.

      Depending on the offer and your comfort zone, you have choices. A text-based sales letter with a buy button at the end. A video sales letter with a buy button at the end. A phone or Zoom call with an offer at the end, and a walkthrough by the salesperson to take payment. Some other method.

      And then you need some kind of consistent way to give the buyer what they paid for: the FULFILLMENT system.

      If you were to take a piece of paper and write down in plain language, just one or two sentences each, what your choice is for each of these four systems...well, you'd be ahead of nearly all of those people who call themselves "online marketers".

      You wouldn't be flying blind.

      And if a particular system didn't work out based on the evidence over the next 2-3 months, you can erase what you wrote and replace it with another method.

      Yup, a three day period doesn't count as genuine data gathering to find out whether something works or not. You have to stick with it longer. Most people don't. They fly blind, by knee jerk reaction and what "looks cool" instead of by any actual plan.

      As an affiliate marketer, you abdicate the Closing and Fulfillment systems to the seller. But this also means you don't have to invest in developing them. If they're proven to work and customers are happy, this could save you a lot of effort.

      I started to say above that what most people are asking when "what's working?" is the question, when you drill down to it, is about the Lead Generation system. But leads alone are not enough. They are unqualified. They could be from the wrong target market. And so devotees of this kind of blind flying are throwing a lot of garbage traffic one time at a closing method they've probably never thought about, and end up wondering why it doesn't convert.

      If you'd rather do better than that, apply what I've shared.
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      • Profile picture of the author SARubin
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        So, my somewhat contrarian opinion is; DECIDE INTENT first.

        What do you want and why? THEN one would be able to implement the great advice provided by Jason, SARubin, Claude and the many other Warriors who have tried and tested information to share.

        INTENT. Clearly defined, seen as completed in the future, surrounded by all that comes with it...is Square ONE, first-step and then the tactics, strategies and implementations.

        GordonJ

        I don't think it's contrarian, Gordon, just another piece of the puzzle. And I agree, it should come first.

        If someone doesn't have a destination then it doesn't really matter which path they take, because they're not going anywhere anyway.

        Or, as the Cheshire Cat said, "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Or as Prof Irwin Corey might add: If you don't change directions soon, you will get where you are headed. gj
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        • WHen you say one should start with goals, what kind? Sales goals? Higher-purpose-for-the-company goals? All of the above and/or something else?
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      • Profile picture of the author kalki411
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        What do you want and why? THEN one would be able to implement the great advice provided by Jason, SARubin, Claude and the many other Warriors who have tried and tested information to share.

        INTENT. Clearly defined, seen as completed in the future, surrounded by all that comes with it...is Square ONE, first-step and then the tactics, strategies and implementations.

        GordonJ

        The what and why are staightforward to me.


        What: I want a medium to low effort system of repeatable income.
        Why: So I'm not dependent on my job so I can ensure security for my family.

        Drilling down a bit more into the what... I want the business to help people, and I want it to be additive over time (i.e. not chase trends or have to re-launch every six months), as such it has to be in the field that I'm passionate about.

        That field is generally speaking Start-ups/ product management and AB testing, and paid marketing channels. I'm confident that I can create an info product and weekly content for a newsletter.

        But getting traffic and eyeballs is what I'm uncertain about... even if its just to subscribe to my newsletter or see my info product landing page.


        My intent with this post was to try to crowd source a list of tactics like:
        - "Viral content is easier than ever"
        - "use bots to create youtube videos"
        - "SEO still works as long and you have good link builders"


        Based on everyones great responses I think we can sum it up like this:

        "Content is STILL king"

        As such I'm going to focus on LinkedIN and tiktok to post some regular content and then write evergreen content for my newsletter all with a sprinkling of applying AI productivity hacks and a monthly controversial post.

        I suppose I'll need a mini site as well that I can embed and repurpose my content in for SEO long term and just let links come naturally.

        My long term goal is replacement of my 218k annual salary. Mid term goal $1000k per month, so I can save for a house for my wife and 3 kids. Thats 10 sales of a 99$ product. So I need 2000 qualified people to see my offer on a landing page with a 0.5% conversion rate.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Certainly more straightforward than before. Here is what I see.

          And I am currently working with probably my last batch of marketers to help them reach their goals...and guess what...they ALL have the same concern as you. And so I share the advice they are getting:

          Don't get ahead of yourself.

          Create, create and create and some more, so when the time comes, in just a few months, you will have all the dominoes in place and just knock them down.

          I believe it may be as much as 80 to 90% of a start-up concern, TRAFFIC. Where do my customers come from? How do I get them?

          See, it sort of is like fishing with a bamboo pole and a hook from shore. To murder this metaphor, instead try getting better ready, better equipped to go where the bigger fish are located, and make sure you have the right BAIT when you get there.

          This is very hard for Content Creators to understand...so, for what it is worth to you...

          You have a great topic, one which is evergreen, and a ready market. GREAT NEWS for you.

          My opinion: CREATE more content NOW, when you have the time, rather than kick that can down the road for when you reach the tipping point and have customer retention/acquisition issues...which will happen as you build up. Jason Kanigan's many posts here and at his site and Facebook groups would serve you well as for the PROCESS.

          Content may very well be KING, but, it needs a crowd to see it, and give it the attention it needs and deserves. So, if you believe CONTENT IS KING, doesn't it make sense to be creating content night and day, beyond all your current output? To have ready a family of products ready for when you must go out and generate the traffic?

          Create the first 13 weeks of your newsletter and have it ready to go.
          Create some information products on Product Management, A/B testing, and instead of "going to", go ahead and DO. Now you, like anyone else can choose a different route, but I have proven to content creators for decades now, one can't create too much content and the more you have at the ready, the much easier it will be to find the right markets, and generate the traffic to your offers.

          Now, I know it is impossible. BUT, if you can set aside the ...But getting traffic and eyeballs is what I'm uncertain about for about 6 weeks and focus on daily content creation/acquisition and market intelligence gathering...then by the Holiday season you will be in a stronger position to launch a faster growing business.

          Thanks for sharing more information, you have a good idea, but for now, CREATE, CREATE, create (or acquire) and when the time comes you segment as needed.

          GordonJ


          Originally Posted by kalki411 View Post

          The what and why are staightforward to me.


          What: I want a medium to low effort system of repeatable income.
          Why: So I'm not dependent on my job so I can ensure security for my family.

          Drilling down a bit more into the what... I want the business to help people, and I want it to be additive over time (i.e. not chase trends or have to re-launch every six months), as such it has to be in the field that I'm passionate about.

          That field is generally speaking Start-ups/ product management and AB testing, and paid marketing channels. I'm confident that I can create an info product and weekly content for a newsletter.

          But getting traffic and eyeballs is what I'm uncertain about... even if its just to subscribe to my newsletter or see my info product landing page.


          My intent with this post was to try to crowd source a list of tactics like:
          - "Viral content is easier than ever"
          - "use bots to create youtube videos"
          - "SEO still works as long and you have good link builders"


          Based on everyones great responses I think we can sum it up like this:

          "Content is STILL king"

          As such I'm going to focus on LinkedIN and tiktok to post some regular content and then write evergreen content for my newsletter all with a sprinkling of applying AI productivity hacks and a monthly controversial post.

          I suppose I'll need a mini site as well that I can embed and repurpose my content in for SEO long term and just let links come naturally.

          My long term goal is replacement of my 218k annual salary. Mid term goal $1000k per month, so I can save for a house for my wife and 3 kids. Thats 10 sales of a 99$ product. So I need 2000 qualified people to see my offer on a landing page with a 0.5% conversion rate.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        First, Jason has been singing the same tune, and I have ALWAYS agreed with his IM premise, and I still do. He offers a mini course in IM, pithy and succinct. And SARubin has always been insightful based on his vast copy experience.

        AND, they both have rendered great advice in this thread.

        My 'concern' is, their advice is too far down the road for this guy returning to IM, but I have very limited information to work off of...not knowing what he really wants to do or what returning to IM even means.

        Over the last 40 years I've seen and been a party to thousands of people starting businesses and getting involved in money making projects. MOST fail.

        Going back to MAIL ORDER as it was featured in the 1970-80's, where there was as much information on how to do it from successful people who DID it...still, the majority FAILED.

        I contend, until it is clearly settled, until there is no wobble, that a DEFINITE PURPOSE has to be step one. Call it Goal if you want. Anything wishy-washy, nebulous, sort-of or undefined starts out with a higher potential for FAILURE...than when one starts with a very clear cut view of where they want to go.

        The OP, wanting to get back into IM is one of those people, as my best guess allows...to be among those who DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.

        And therefore, all solid, great advice given...will not only fall on deaf ears, it could be detrimental to the process.

        Now this isn't true for everyone, only about 80% of those start-ups or beginner's or start overs...and we have 20 years of PROOF and examples right on this forum.

        YEARS spent chasing an IM dream. DECADES lost to butterflies chasing unicorns.

        So, my somewhat contrarian opinion is; DECIDE INTENT first.

        What do you want and why? THEN one would be able to implement the great advice provided by Jason, SARubin, Claude and the many other Warriors who have tried and tested information to share.

        INTENT. Clearly defined, seen as completed in the future, surrounded by all that comes with it...is Square ONE, first-step and then the tactics, strategies and implementations.

        GordonJ
        I was thinking this kind of thought as I came back to the forum and saw this thread at the top of the section.

        I think this was a very old Dan Kennedy tidbit of advice, but it could have been someone else. From a copywriting book I read the late 90s: add ", goatherder" to your headlines and see what happens. ie. one who herds goats. If your writing is not specific enough, you'll know.

        "What tactics are working these days, goatherder?"

        Yup.

        Not to make fun of anyone, as I obviously wanted to give the info and not mock. Intent clearly matters.
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  • Profile picture of the author Haroon Ballim
    Choose a specific route you going to take
    e.g Building your email list etc
    Than Focus on that totally . Many often get distracted by the next shiny object .
    Focus and specialize
    Avoid jumping from one thing to the next
    Choose one
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    Why did you drop out ?
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    • Profile picture of the author kalki411
      Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

      Why did you drop out ?
      My Story is long and best saved for another post. But the short answer is that I got married and then WENT BANKRUPT after a few of my successful ventures blew up in my face due to:

      The affiliate offer I was sending paid traffic to getting shut off in the middle of the night

      One of my competitors sending a fraudulent DMAC takedown to the site I was generating organic traffic so my traffic went to 0.

      And because I had built a website for the ipad leading up to its debute, but we didn't know what it was named yet and I had the website get-islate.com instead of get-ipad.com so my traffic tanked.

      All in a short period of time!!!

      ... so I went and started consulting and making websites for start-ups and small businesses in new york city... then eventually getting a job at a 500 person company and I focused on my career after that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Monetize
        Originally Posted by kalki411 View Post

        ... so I went and started consulting and making websites for start-ups and small businesses in new york city... then eventually getting a job at a 500 person company and I focused on my career after that.


        You should have done great with this business
        model and its recurring monthly hosting and
        maintenance fees.

        Get back to doing this.

        It still works!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author kalki411
          Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

          You should have done great with this business
          model and its recurring monthly hosting and
          maintenance fees.

          Get back to doing this.

          It still works!!!
          I did fine for a while and was making constant income! But I didn't figure out a way to scale it automatically - not to mention my real job makes 10x more.

          What I don't like about the small business website side hustle is prospecting and constantly on the grind of getting new customers --- and there are TONs of un qualified or picky clients out there that honestly are not worth the effort to set up the site for.

          It also didn't feel right for me to sell stuff that they could set up for free themselves.

          There was also a decent amount of churn, and I got into the boom bust cycle (or feast famine)... and wasn't getting ahead. Probably If I figured out how to get consistent traffic or if I figured out a better cookie cutter way for spinning up sites then I could have been more successful in that space. But I would spend hours staying up late bidding on projects on Upwork trying to grow to a sustainable place... only to get a couple of these gigs then getting less than 5 star reviews which damaged my chances of getting future prospects!

          I had just had my second child at that time and just couldn't keep up with the rising costs!!
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          • Profile picture of the author Monetize
            Originally Posted by kalki411 View Post

            What I don't like about the small business website side hustle is prospecting and constantly on the grind of getting new customers --- and there are TONs of un qualified or picky clients out there that honestly are not worth the effort to set up the site for.


            I know all about web clients being PITAs over
            color, font, images, and other nitpicky matters.

            There are literally hundreds of ways to make
            money online, but my final suggestion to you,
            since you are a web developer, is to set up
            websites for yourself and monetize them with
            ads and affiliate offers.

            This is what I do, I have done it for twenty
            years, and it works. I mostly push high-end
            products, and I also promote ClickBank and
            things that are trending because it is easy.

            I don't deal with any customers, returns,
            refunds, problems, or anything else. I only
            deal with affiliate managers, that is all.

            It will take some work, and it may be awhile
            before you see results, depending on your
            promotion methods, but it will all be worth
            it in a few months when you have a steady
            income from this.
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  • Profile picture of the author MIRZA AHMED
    Welcome back to Internet Marketing! To get back into the game, stay updated with the latest trends, refresh your skills in SEO, social media marketing, content marketing, etc., and join online communities for valuable insights. Set clear goals, start small, and test your strategies before scaling up. Network with industry professionals, be adaptable, monitor metrics, and prioritize compliance and ethics. Continuous learning is key in this dynamic field, so attend workshops and conferences to stay ahead. Embrace the opportunities and enjoy re-immersing yourself in the exciting world of IM!
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
    Originally Posted by kalki411 View Post

    Long time IM guy here but I dropped out of the game a long time ago and I want to get back to IM!!!

    Some would say that nothing has changed, others would say that we are living in a new era. The tactics are the same, but the way they are implemented is different. Artificial intelligence has changed it dramatically.
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    • Profile picture of the author kalki411
      Originally Posted by CyberSEO View Post

      Some would say that nothing has changed, others would say that we are living in a new era. The tactics are the same, but the way they are implemented is different. Artificial intelligence has changed it dramatically.
      Yeah. I feel like I'm falling behind in the AI game, but in just two weeks I've been able to set up some semi automated process to take some pain out of things that used to take me a long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mabu Map
    Whatever you were doing before,
    May not working for you now

    I used to got 40-50 flesh leads a day using a software
    to automatically posted to 50 different facebook groups

    But it's not working anymore.

    You have to spend sometime to take a look
    on the big picture and study carefully what works

    To me, affiliate marketing and mainly paid ads
    still generate me sales

    Bing ads and solo ads
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    • Profile picture of the author Monetize
      Originally Posted by Mabu Map View Post

      Whatever you were doing before,
      May not working for you now

      I used to got 40-50 flesh leads a day using a software
      to automatically posted to 50 different facebook groups

      But it's not working anymore.

      You have to spend sometime to take a look
      on the big picture and study carefully what works

      To me, affiliate marketing and mainly paid ads
      still generate me sales

      Bing ads and solo ads


      The fundamentals will ALWAYS work.

      Software comes and goes. When one stops
      working, then you replace it with something
      different and drive on.

      A successful restaurant does not go out of
      business because the cash register broke
      down.

      Affiliate marketing, publishing, advertising,
      dropshipping, web development, funnels,
      courses, and videos are fundamentals that
      will always generate revenue.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Flm
    Same tactics that worked back in 1800 sans the electrons.
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  • infinite scroll is
    an abominable state
    to find yrself in

    See?

    I birthed a haiku 'bout alla this schwango.

    Such is my diligence despite I forgaht what this post ABOUT.
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  • Profile picture of the author rozzski999
    Short form TT and IG videos- these 6 second videos bring me in between 5-10 k a month.! Yes really!
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Choose a niche
    start creating content ,help people and answer questions people have
    Dont forget to build an email list and build a relationship with your list
    Promote good products related to your niche
    Rinse and repeat
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      You got some good advice.
      I have some questions:
      Why did you quit IM for a while?
      Why are you coming back?
      Why now?
      Why would someone buy what you sell? I am talking positioning here.
      If you find a hungry crowd for what you will sell, everything will be easier... If they believe you can feed them... So, again, why would they buy from you.

      Once upon a time, I helped an insurance broker. He had noticed that American Family insurance refused to insure a bunch of people. He had noticed that some insurers did not, and they charged a lot.

      He was struggling. One of the things I did for them: changed their story. To: I noticed the big, greedy companies turn down some good folk just because they got unlucky and had an accident. So, I decided to open a company to help these people.

      It helped a lot.

      Check out https://www.salestactics.org/author/jason-kanigan/.

      Also, read the E-myth revisited by Gerber... Even if you've own a company before.
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  • Profile picture of the author kylie123
    Nothing's impossible, you just have to work on your strategies and all the other useful points.
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  • Profile picture of the author shwarzeneger
    The New Way of Working (NWOW) is all about breaking down the traditional barriers between work and life. That includes management styles, workplace design, communication, and collaboration.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    list building
    blogging
    net working
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  • Profile picture of the author thegreatgbenga
    Originally Posted by kalki411 View Post

    Long time IM guy here but I dropped out of the game a long time ago and I want to get back to IM!!!


    (edit What a great response I got! Based on some advice below, I'm adding some more details and want a gut reaction from you all?

    My intent is to create a course that helps people who have a background in internet marketing/ side hustles/ making money online... to get a $200k plus salaried jobs at tech companies.

    WHATS YOU'RE GUT REACTION TO THAT VALUE PROP?

    maybe for you successful warriors not too interesting... perhaps maybe for you guys struggling? *shrug"
    Your value proposition is interesting but raises immediate questions:

    For example: have you helped anyone achieve this before?
    Is this for people in all countries or the US?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rully
    Your idea sounds great. Some warriors might find it trivial, but remember, not everyone here is a ""successful warrior"". Many of us are ""aspiring warriors"", who need a nudge in the correct direction. Your course could be that nudge!

    I think the key here would be how you frame this course. Maybe something along the lines of - ""Turn your digital hustling skills into a lucrative tech career"". Just a thought. And where would we find these courses? I'd recommend Youtube. I know it's tough there, and the competition is high. But such a course would be great content. To make it easier to get on top of the algorithm, you could use the list on this site to buy Youtube subscribers. It's a great way to gain popularity, especially for those just starting their Youtube career. More subscribers = more views = more money.
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  • Profile picture of the author TobiMDD
    my first reaction to this would be....why not?.

    might be interesting for sure
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