Losing concentration at University, what to do? :(

15 years ago

Is it possible to take a semester or a year off?

You might decide that the degree is not what you wanted after all - it happens to a lot of people.

Perhaps some time away from university will help to clear your mind and let you reassess your priorities.

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sweetfranky 15 years ago

Be careful taking time off from Uni. It's very hard to go back once you drop out... D:
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- Jason Stepp 15 years ago
  
  I've been working on a Marketing degree for a little over 2 years. It can definitely be tough balancing school and work.
  
  I don't want to sound like a "personal development course", but I've found that keeping a written schedule (or to-do list) has helped me stay focused. Time management is key!
  
  Take your day and split it into pieces.
  
  Let's say you sleep 8 hours- You have 16 hours of being awake every day.
  
  Now, lets say you are in class for 6 of those hours. - You have 10 hours left.
  
  Now, you need to study and do homework. I've been in school for a long time, and I've only had one type of class that had 2+ hour homework every night (my accounting classes- yuck). So, even if you have one of those annoying classes, 4-5 hours should be plenty of study time. Let's say you do 5 hours of studying. - You have 5 hours left.
  
  I consider the remaining 5 hours my "personal time". Since school is my number 1 priority, it comes before personal time. Internet marketing is definitely on the high list of priorities, but since I'm not "full time" yet, I will only work on this business in my personal time.
  
  What you do with your personal time is your choice.
  
  I'm not a big fan of television or video games (although I occasionally spend my personal time with both of those things), so I don't mind spending 3-4 hours per day on my business. That still leaves me 1-2 hours of completely free time.
  
  This is not my exact model... I just wanted to give you an idea of how to make this whole thing work for you.
  
  Don't let Internet Marketing pull you away from school! But, don't let school pull you away from Internet Marketing either! Manage your time efficiently, and you can have both!
  
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- Kim Standerline 15 years ago
  
  This is true
  
  I was half way through a post graduate course about 8 years ago and had to put it on hold for a number of reasons.
  
  I never did finish it, (all that work wasted)
  
  Kim
  
  Originally Posted by sweetfranky
  
  Be careful taking time off from Uni. It's very hard to go back once you drop out... D:
  
  Also like to say something else if I may...
  
  You make a huge amount of friends at Uni, some of them will last you your whole life.
  
  Also a good education is a very good bedrock for whatever you may wish to do in the future. After all who is to say that you will still think IM is the best thing ever in another few years or so just because you think it now!
  
  Kim
  
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Gee S

15 years ago

I've just finished university few months back. I got into IM in my final year and i was hooked. But I knew i had got this far with university that I had to push through it (the fact that my dissertation was 35,000+ and I had to build an e-commerce site was a bit of motivation lol).

But my advice to you is concentrate on university. You've made a commitment and stick it through. Hire outsourcers to get tedious jobs completed for you, while you concentrate on getting your degree. I know others might say quit and do what you love, but if what you love isn't paying well, it's hard to love it for long. That's where your back up plan comes in to play.

Gurpreet

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discrat

15 years ago

Originally Posted by MrEyeconic

I've just finished university few months back. I got into IM in my final year and i was hooked. But I knew i had got this far with university that I had to push through it (the fact that my dissertation was 35,000+ and I had to build an e-commerce site was a bit of motivation lol).

But my advice to you is concentrate on university. You've made a commitment and stick it through. Hire outsourcers to get tedious jobs completed for you, while you concentrate on getting your degree. I know others might say quit and do what you love, but if what you love isn't paying well, it's hard to love it for long. That's where your back up plan comes in to play.

Gurpreet

Its called 'finishing College ' NOT
'finishing University'.

You attend a certain University and you go to College !!

Get it straight !!

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Susanna Dodd

15 years ago

I believe you should stick with your schooling. Don't give up on that. I understand your frustration. Though I'm not in school, I do work a full time job and I find it hard sometimes to keep my mind on my work and my marketing business. My suggestion is to learn time management. You have to learn that in life anyway, so might as well put it to good use. Good luck with your studies and your businesses.

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JamesPenn

15 years ago

Originally Posted by willyboy104

Hey guys.

I am in my second year at a University in London, studying China International Business. First year went well, was easy and I was interested but this year I just can't seem to concentrate all I keep thinking about is my companies, websites and products, how to make more money and how to grow bigger, better lists?!

I have been doing Internet Marketing for several years and can't help but breathe the damn thing, but my University education is falling because of it.

It is important to know the only reason I am going to University is to get a degree as a backup after Internet Marketing, however I still need to pass.

Has anyone experienced this themselves?

Who else here is at University, and how do you handle this fine balance?

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You've just described my EXACT situation.

I'm in my second year at University of Kent studying Psychology. From now until Christmas (18th December) I have to write two 2,000 word essays, study for three different exams and take part in a number of Psychological experiments.

All I want to be doing is working on my business as a lot is happening at the moment.

My plan is to dedicate all my time until 5pm to studying for university, just until the end of term, and then to spend from 5pm onwards working guilt free on my business.

That still gives me 7-8 hours of hard focussed work and I can still get my university work done... hopefully.

I'll let you know how it goes!

James

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Imran Naseem

Banned 15 years ago

I have a degree in Marketing and looking back it was worth getting my education.

Do not let Internet Marketing distract you, focus on your studies. If University is not for you then you need to sit down and make a decision and ask yourself what you want in the long-term.

Internet Marketing is not an overnight cure for your problems - it is a cut throat industry which requires lots of hard work. Get your education then focus on other things.

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CurtisN

15 years ago

I'm in third year and I'm only in school because I want a degree, not to have the degree as my back-up plan. My philosophy is that if you need a back-up, you're not confident enough in your Plan A.

So basically, I'm putting in enough effort to pass...nothing more

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michael_nguyen 15 years ago

Originally Posted by CurtisN

My philosophy is that if you need a back-up, you're not confident enough in your Plan A.

Not entirely true. I'm very confident about plan A just incase the internet blew up.
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michael_nguyen

15 years ago

I feel your pain aswell mate! Currently I'm on an MSc Course and as it is, it's very intense but somehow I still find time for abit of IM and WF when that time should be for coursework!

Not a day goes by where I don't run my numbers that will make me a millionaire. I can't help it but saying that, when deadline come close, your mind just goes in overdrive. I got a deadline on the 7th-8th so I doubt I'll be on here much.

Come Xmas I'll do some more sites on the side.

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willyboy104

15 years ago

Thanks everyone some really solid advice here.

I am confident of my first plan as it seems to be growing at a good rate however I always like to think safely and with a degree I would be playing things safe. I think its just because I have so much going on at the moment, with deadlines, clients and me going to China for 5 weeks in 6 days.

Thanks everyone for your advise, really appreciate it.

Its quite amazing to see so many people here at University and doing this part time, we should pat ourselves on our backs for the motivation and the action that we put in to our lives, the time we use and the success we achieve.

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Shana_Adam

15 years ago

University is a very time consuming part of ones life but one that you will always look back on cherish and value.

Internet marketing will be around forever so you have plenty of time to achieve success in this area. University is not a time to be money focused otherwise all those poor students would have dropped out and got any job to live and have fun.

Once you start doing IM full time you will have days when you may not even want to turn on your pc due to the 24/7 lifestyle that IM is associated with, leading to exhaustion and burn out.

Finish your education - it will be one of the best things you do.

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CurtisN

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Shana_Adam

University is a very time consuming part of ones life but one that you will always look back on cherish and value.

Internet marketing will be around forever so you have plenty of time to achieve success in this area. University is not a time to be money focused otherwise all those poor students would have dropped out and got any job to live and have fun.

Once you start doing IM full time you will have days when you may not even want to turn on your pc due to the 24/7 lifestyle that IM is associated with, leading to exhaustion and burn out.

Finish your education - it will be one of the best things you do.

Depending on what program you're in, I think there's definitely enough time to do both. This past semester I had 10 hours of school a week LOL. I have friends who have almost 3x as much per week

Besides, IM doesn't have to take up tons of time. For example, you could take just half an hour a day to write an article. You'd have a pretty nice collection of articles after a year driving traffic, making sales, and building a list!

But yeah, I agree that university/college is a valuable life experience..if not for the academics, then at least for the atmosphere and environment.

Curtis

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Andy Money 15 years ago

Take a year off, that's what I'm doing right now, I went through the same thing my second year, it's a real pain.
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- SantiSantana 15 years ago
  
  If you are making a decent amount of money with your IM it is probably a good idea to outsource as much as you can and try to automate as much as you can. Sure you will make less money, but you free up time to finish your studies and you can take it all back when you have your degree.
  
  Or you could hire and train someone to do it for you. Many people interested in IM would love the chance to get into that position as their stepping stone for launching their own IM businesses at a later date, and it suits you in the sense that you know for a fact that it will be them wanting to leave to set up shop on their own rather than you dropping them. It could even mean you get a great JV partner for the future.
  
  There are many companies out there that people join to get the training and experience and then move on to better positions and this should be no different. Of course it all depends on how comfortable are you with training what could be a competitor in the future but as previously stated you could be training a partner rather than a competitor.
  
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  dizen 15 years ago
  
  Maybe switching to web programming/web master degree is good idea? I mean it's related to IM.
  
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- Susanna Dodd 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Andrew Maule
  
  Take a year off, that's what I'm doing right now, I went through the same thing my second year, it's a real pain.
  
  Be careful with taking that year off. Most of the time it's hard to go back. So if you decide to do that be sure you have enough determination to finish college. Because regardless of how successful one might become in IM it is still advisable to have a degree to fall back on.
  
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Benjamin Eddy

15 years ago

So I am going to go a bit against the tide in the thread here to hear warriors opinions.

What the hell is the point of college when you're working to be an
entrepreneur? You're an entrepreneur! Is the education you're getting at
college seriously the best way you can come up with to spend 50k (or
whatever you're spending for four years of college).

I went to college for a couple years and got in this same situation. I was
racking my brain to memorize for midterms and all nighters for papers and
then doing IM with all my spare time. But what's the point, is this learning
going to help me in my business?

I was so frustrated in the difference between the quality of education I
was getting online mostly for free and the lack of quality I was getting at
college.

I think you need to look at your goals. Do you want to be an entrepreneur?
Is your plan to start your own businesses and work for yourself? Well then
you don't need that degree as a sign of approval, because as an
entrepreneur, the only thing that matters is what you have to offer, not
how many degrees you have. No one cares. Since the degree doesn't
matter as an entrepreneur, the only thing that does is the teaching you
are receiving by being in school. This is where I see college completely
failing. I can get a ten times better education online for FREE from the top
guys in the IM business. Just look at this forum... And that's for free! With
50k online I could get the best education and more learning then I could
ever handle.

Let's crunch some numbers here... How much does a college education
cost? I realize this varies, but lets say 50k for four years at school. This
would be if your off campus, if your on campus, boarding alone will
be about 40k.

What can you get online with 50k? Simple example here, you can buy a
website at 10 months income and have a website that earns you 5k per
month (there's more already then most will make with their college degree
jobs). You could get 1 on 1 personal coaching from the guys in the top
of the industry in IM with all the perks (what's better, your teacher with
most of the time no real world experience teaching you from a textbook
or a learning one on one from the top guys in the industry). You could get
100 awesomely written ebooks... You could start a HUGE business online
with 50 grand.

I think you need to look at the money your investing and figure out
whether that is the best place for you to invest it in. Is the education
you're getting at college for 50k the best education you can get for that
50k? Personally I made the decision it was not, what do you think?

I also think the whole plan B argument is total crap... Here's why, Are you
ok with plan B? Plan B would be picking up a marketing job, starting at the
bottom and working your way up in the corporate world. Are you ok with
that? Would you enjoy your life if you were working that job? If your
answer is no, then this is NOT a plan B. When I got into IM I figured "ah
I better stay in school just in case" Then I really thought about it and
found out, hey I am not ok with this plan B, I wouldn't be happy with the
job this degree is setting me up for, so this is NOT a good back up plan.

Also, as an entrepreneur should you really be thinking about a plan B?
I mean we are entrepreneurs! We make money from finding out what
people need and fulfilling that need. No matter what, there will always
be needs to fill. My plan B is article marketing, PPC, product creation,
a WSO

, but it is definitely not a J O B, because I know I would not
be happy in that situation.

Sorry I rambled here a bit, but the main point is why are you really going
to college? Is that the best investment you can make with your money
and maybe even more important, your time?

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jaykay21089

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Benjamin Eddy

So I am going to go a bit against the tide in the thread here to hear warriors opinions.

What the hell is the point of college when you're working to be an
entrepreneur? You're an entrepreneur! Is the education you're getting at
college seriously the best way you can come up with to spend 50k (or
whatever you're spending for four years of college).

I went to college for a couple years and got in this same situation. I was
racking my brain to memorize for midterms and all nighters for papers and
then doing IM with all my spare time. But what's the point, is this learning
going to help me in my business?

I was so frustrated in the difference between the quality of education I
was getting online mostly for free and the lack of quality I was getting at
college.

I think you need to look at your goals. Do you want to be an entrepreneur?
Is your plan to start your own businesses and work for yourself? Well then
you don't need that degree as a sign of approval, because as an
entrepreneur, the only thing that matters is what you have to offer, not
how many degrees you have. No one cares. Since the degree doesn't
matter as an entrepreneur, the only thing that does is the teaching you
are receiving by being in school. This is where I see college completely
failing. I can get a ten times better education online for FREE from the top
guys in the IM business. Just look at this forum... And that's for free! With
50k online I could get the best education and more learning then I could
ever handle.

Let's crunch some numbers here... How much does a college education
cost? I realize this varies, but lets say 50k for four years at school. This
would be if your off campus, if your on campus, boarding alone will
be about 40k.

What can you get online with 50k? Simple example here, you can buy a
website at 10 months income and have a website that earns you 5k per
month (there's more already then most will make with their college degree
jobs). You could get 1 on 1 personal coaching from the guys in the top
of the industry in IM with all the perks (what's better, your teacher with
most of the time no real world experience teaching you from a textbook
or a learning one on one from the top guys in the industry). You could get
100 awesomely written ebooks... You could start a HUGE business online
with 50 grand.

I think you need to look at the money your investing and figure out
whether that is the best place for you to invest it in. Is the education
you're getting at college for 50k the best education you can get for that
50k? Personally I made the decision it was not, what do you think?

I also think the whole plan B argument is total crap... Here's why, Are you
ok with plan B? Plan B would be picking up a marketing job, starting at the
bottom and working your way up in the corporate world. Are you ok with
that? Would you enjoy your life if you were working that job? If your
answer is no, then this is NOT a plan B. When I got into IM I figured "ah
I better stay in school just in case" Then I really thought about it and
found out, hey I am not ok with this plan B, I wouldn't be happy with the
job this degree is setting me up for, so this is NOT a good back up plan.

Also, as an entrepreneur should you really be thinking about a plan B?
I mean we are entrepreneurs! We make money from finding out what
people need and fulfilling that need. No matter what, there will always
be needs to fill. My plan B is article marketing, PPC, product creation,
a WSO

, but it is definitely not a J O B, because I know I would not
be happy in that situation.

Sorry I rambled here a bit, but the main point is why are you really going
to college? Is that the best investment you can make with your money
and maybe even more important, your time?

Hey mate,

My thoughts exactly. Too true and if only the rest of the world with their J.O.Bs realised that.

Cheers,

-Johnson.

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Wakunahum 15 years ago

I'm not exactly sure how University works where you are, but you could consider taking a semester with less class hours and try to find the balance that way.

This would free up your extra time and take the stress off the situation while still getting through school.
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TheDebtEliminator

15 years ago

Hello Willy Boy,

It is best to finish your studies get e JOB

Then moonlight in IM until you income rises to be greater

Quit and go fulltime in IM

Saftey and being able to diversity

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Bret Ferguson

15 years ago

Like others on here have said, in which I agree, stay in school. You will never regret it and if you quit now chances are you will regret it at some point. You are taking international business, that's great. I would take some marketing classes as well. Your business degree will help you tremendously. You see, once people have money, most of them don't know how to handle it. Making money is the easy part, keeping it is the hard part.

Stick with it, you will be so glad you did because time goes by so fast. Before you know it you'll be a graduate. Good Luck, I'm sure you'll do great!

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Jason Pereira

15 years ago

I used to be in university, dropped out to start my company because I felt that I wasn't learning anything and that my time would be put to better use pursuing business.

To me, if you have business experience, say running a five man organization semi-successfully for a year... that will do you a lot better should you need to go in for a job than a bachelor's degree. I may be wrong on that part, but we'll find out if I ever need to go in for a job.

When I was in university, concentrating was difficult - between friends and IM, I didn't really have the time for classwork etc. What I used to do to stay focused...

- Study groups. It's a lot more fun and seems less like work when you're studying with other people, although you have to limit the amount of fooling around you do.

- Outsourcing (

). I used to outsource the research on most of the projects that this could be done for. The actual writing etc I did myself for most of them, but found that for around $20 I could pay a freelancer to get notes, quotes etc on a topic which I could then study quickly and use for my essay (or whatever). Some things like website development I outsourced straight off the bat.

- Family. Not sure what your family want you to do - mine were fairly relaxed (at least my dad is) so I didn't have to put in 100% on getting A+ grades. Just did enough work to get through and ended up with a 75% average (when I left) which is good enough for most jobs. You have to sit down with your family and explain what you want to do - ask about a year off.

What I've found is that family cares about results - is the stuff you're doing sustainable, is it a long term thing that you can replicate or is it just a one time income that you made and have no idea how to repeat. If it's the former, they'll be understanding, if it's the latter... get it to the former.

Good luck!

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ahlexis

15 years ago

I too am going to play devil's advocate and go
against the grain a bit. (Well, actually a lot, but
you need this in order to help you make a decision
that's right for you.)

There's this guy who started a software company.
He was in college and dropped out. And he didn't
turn out too bad; he and a friend started Microsoft.

And then there's this other guy who was in college
and was ordering PC parts and making money
selling the assembled computers in his spare time
and just dying to drop out of college. His father
wouldn't have it. So one day they talked, and his
father convinced him that he should take one
summer and grow the business and see how far he
got, and that if the business didn't meet certain
targets then he should put it out of his mind and
stick to his studies. Guess what? Michael Dell made
$50,000 during that summer, and the rest is history.

And now that I am here thinking, Kobe Bryant, while
not a computer industry guy, didn't give college a
single thought...he went right for the NBA after
graduating from high school. Here's the thing with
Kobe, though: he had a clear vision of exactly what
his future was supposed to look like and what his
destiny was, and he did not waste time doing any of
the things that others said he SHOULD do because
he was determined to reach his primary goal as fast
as he could. I remember the days well because there
was such an uproar about how he was making such a
mistake and how he would some day live to regret his
decision to bypass college and go straight for the NBA.

Oh yeah. Here's another story to think about, a story
of how you should probably NOT go about it! There
was this writer who was really great at writing, but he
didn't think he had what it took to be a best selling
author. So he went to college and finished not just a
4 year course of study but completed medical school.
He graduated and became a doctor. But he didn't like
being a doctor. So he wrote a book and put it out
there, and it turned out his first published book became
a best seller! But he had such a unique understanding
of the medical professional's world that the books he
wrote turned out to be thrillers about the medical world.
And then he eventually went on to create a show called
"ER" and it just not too long ago finished its eleventh
and final season on the air. (Michael Creighton, for those
who really want to know.)

My point here is this. Jobs are great for some people.
They are not for everybody. And what it sounds like
to me is that what you are studying no longer excites
you. If this is the case and you really want to finish
college, then perhaps a major change is in order.
Maybe what you initially started out to study is not
what you thought it would be and your lack of focus
and trouble getting the things done that you need to
get done in order to finish this degree is your mind's
way of telling you to find something else to do for a
degree and eventual career. Because if you are having
this kind of problem now, it probably won't get any
easier later on.

Most people in this world hate their jobs. And that
is because they do not derive any joy from the work
that they do. Those who get joy from their work
cannot help but be successful at it because to them
it is not work, it is playing and getting paid to play
...just ask Donald Trump. I believe he once said,
"Vacation? I never take vacations! I'm too busy
having fun doing what I do."

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loenex

15 years ago

There's a time that we feel boredom and frustration in college. And always we don't want to attend to class. BUT a degree in college is important for us to have a successful life. Even though it's hard, but our sacrifices will be fruitful on the days to come. Do not let yourself lose concentration in your studies. Focus to graduate in your degree and everything will follow.

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Cryp

15 years ago

@Willyboy and jamespenn - Hope there is room for one more, because im in this boat aswell!!

Studying law at the moment here in South-Africa and yeah I am unmotivated to finish it, reason being, the job market is oversaturated with graduates. The big 5 came to our campus and only 1 student in my year group received an offer - I cried in the girls bathroom after that.

However im going to finish what I started, because I believe:

1) Having a degree is good in times of war, you stand a better chance to be accepted in another country ...

2) Home loan application - I can just imagine trying to explain to the bank that I repackage and sell stuff freely available. Having a degree gives you more credibility, well hopefully

3) Family, don't know about you guys but my skin will be ripped off from my body and be fed to the neighbors poodle if I quit now

4) Discipline, can't say that it has been easy trying to keep all the balls in the air, but if we can see this trough it will help us do what we must do, when must do it plus with a little consistency

5) Time management, if you can get a degree, operate a business and keep your girl happy all at the same time (probably the hardest of the bunch) then you have some serious time management skills my friend

I say lets stick it out, its only 1 or 2 more years, this is sparta

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Davioli

15 years ago

@Cryp... exactly my sentiments.
Even though people will tell you whats the point of having a Plan B when its not something you envisage yourself doing.... Its hell of a lot better then having no plan if your main business goes bust.
A degree also gives you more respect when you conduct business offline (which you will once you attempt to diversify from your IM business)

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sbucciarel

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If I were investing time and money in a University education, I would do that very well and let the rest go until I was done with the education. No matter what you do after school, the education will serve you well. If you apply it to IM, good. If IM fails, you have a degree to fall back on. Don't waste it. IM isn't going anywhere. It will be there after you master your studies.

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Imran Naseem

Banned 15 years ago

Forget everything - let's just all go gym and get healthy first. Most Internet Marketers neglect their health and later on experience a lot of problems.

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Toby Lewis

15 years ago

I would stick with it.

The great thing about uni is that you have loads of free time. You'll be able to mess around with plenty IM instead of getting a part time job delivering pizzas or flipping burgers. Aside from all the benefits already listed here, surely you'll be able to use something from your China International Business degree in IM?

I know of an incredibly successful marketer who is still finishing a PHD, despite earning more than most of us can dream of. One of the perks is that he gets very easy .edu backlinks

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Cryp

15 years ago

Thank you sbucciarel, alexa and davioli for shaking some sense into us all, especially into me (those above examples of people dropping out of college to start a business is really the exception, for every one of those I bet there are a 1000 more who drops out and ends up hitting tills)

The thing that made me second guess whether I should continue or not was actually the "rebirth report" from John Reese - anyone read that? It talks about how internet marketing is going to become too oversaturated for any newbie to compete; iv taken it with a grain of salt, its written by a pro marketer after all

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DogScout

15 years ago

Yeah, Don't drop out. You can make a blog about your major and add papers written for school to them in bit sized chunks. That will help you get a job (if that is what you decide to do) after school as well.

Example: You are in charge of hiring new college grads for your company;

each one has a resume that says what school they attended, who they interned for, their grade point average, etc. ONE of them includes the address to their blog they have operated for the past 2-3 years since their sophomore or junior year at college. In that time, they have written 50-200 'articles' or posts about their major and relating to the kind of job they want to be looking for after graduation.

All other things being close to equal, WHO would YOU hire?

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Raydal

15 years ago

I went back to grad school beginning of 2007 and my business slowed
for the next 2 years while I finished up school. But school taught me that
I could accomplish a LOT more than I was doing in my business when you
have a professor (boss) and tuition breathing down your neck.

I also just did the most important aspects of the business so you learn
to prioritize--so Warrior postings "suffered" as well. I simply wrote copy
and ditched everything else. And I wrote a lot faster just because I
had to write so many research papers--so the copywriting benefited.

I'd say stay in school. You can never know too much and money is
not all. School is sacrifice. Grit your teeth and bear it like a man.
If you stop now you'll lose momentum and it would be tougher going
back than finishing now. The time goes by quickly and the internet
and the FTC would still be here when you're finished.

-Ray Edwards

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15 years ago

I know the feeling man. Try Cisco networking sometime, it is intense! I find it easy to think in terms of streams. Revenue streams that is. IM is one and so is the job you will get for uni. I feel this is why most people just work there lives away at dead end jobs. Because it is an easy, dependable income stream. All you have to do, is your job and the check comes in every week. It takes no effort on their part. You get up, go to work, and come home to Dancing with the Stars and delicious chicken fingers (and Internet). Your education is one fat ass future income stream. Do not screw it up. Do whatever it takes, but get on track and focus friend.

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SeanSupplee

15 years ago

Honestly STICK with getting your degree first. It is something you will always have with you so you can always rely back on it if anything should happen. Not everyone makes it big in IM.

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bobsstuff 15 years ago

To me, getting an education is more about discipline than learning. Obviously you have to study and learn, but the process is more important.

What you do with an education is up to you. Others here think the only use for education is to get a job. NOT TRUE. Education prepares you for many career avenues including being the CEO of your own IM company with 100 employees in a brick and mortar building.

Are you already a very successful internet marketer? OR, are you a wannabe IMer who is having trouble deciding on education or pursuing a dream which has not reached reality yet?

You are going to China? WOW! What an exciting adventure that will be. I guess that is because of your schooling situation, not IM profits.........or am I wrong?

I am all for education. You do not have to get a job if you get an education, you can create jobs.
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John Cabral

15 years ago

With the economy being as it is I am thinking of going back to school, just not sure what to study. Being in the accounting field for over 20 years I am now having a hard time finding work in the field here in South Florida even with 20 plus yrs of experirnce and degree.

My second love is computers and internet and am looking into those areas as possible studies.

I was never big on college or degrees as their are many with MBA's and Phd's that make less than what I did. A degree is good and I still feel worthwhile but it does not guarantee you will make big bucks. Sort of like IM. :-)

One thing I did was take a short break and it was at that time that I started getting into brainwave entrainment to help me better focus and concentrate.

Good luck and don't give up on schooling. Education and knowledge can never be taken away from you.

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willyboy104

15 years ago

Thank you everyone for your comments, this has turned in to quite a hot topic and as I mentioned before it seems a lot of people are in the same boat as me or have been in the past.

I took everyone's comments in to consideration, and although I am not entirely convinced I think staying at University is probably the most intelligent choice. I was thinking about when I first started University and the same choice came up then, whether to go to University or stick to IM. I decided to go to University and do IM part time, so why am I wanting to change this now, just because things are getting harder?

I just need to manage my time better, my three main priorities are, University, Internet Marketing and my girlfriend. I need to manage my time around these and stop going to sleep at 8 in the morning and waking at 2 in the afternoon.

Thank you everyone for your comments, I hope I can create some sort of time management plan for after Christmas, because this first term of the 2nd year of University has been VERY poor.

Looking forward to hearing more comments and other peoples choices.

Kind Regards
Will Blears

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Benjamin Eddy

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Good to see that someone made a sensible comment, here. I suppose it had to happen, if the thread went on for long enough. (I'm only expressing it provocatively and outspokenly "as is my way", but I do actually believe that!).....

Great, let me express my thoughts provocatively right back ;-).

IM isn't going anywhere. It will still be here for you whenever you want it to be.
Education is what remains when what you learned has all been forgotten. It's got absolutely nothing to do with "getting a job" at all. (Ok, unless you're studying law or medicine, maybe). People who argue this issue on "future employment/occupation/income" lines just don't even understand what education is!
Don't drop out, Will. Don't "take a year off" (do you know what proportion of people who do that ever actually complete their degree?). Finish the degree you've started - anything else is silly.

Who said college is the only means of education? This is exactly the point
I brought up. A PHD? Is that 150k you're spending on a well rounded
education for the masses the best way you could be spending that?
Just think of how much top notch education you could get straight from
the absolute leaders in the business and IM world today for that money?

Also, what about your time!? 8 -12 years of YOUR LIFE spent because
"IM isn't going anywhere?"

This is about more then IM. It's about your time and your money, how
can you best use it as an entrepreneur?

Hey if you want to be a teacher, that's great, you're going to need a
degree. This isn't true if your planning on being self employed one way or
another.

Everyone (most) here that are advocating college are just offering the
advice "stick with it kid, you won't regret it" BS... That is NOT a reason
to stay in school. I regretted every second I was in school... I hated
memorizing and learning all this horribly general information I was never
going to use ever again. I hated that I was spending years of my life and
spending a bloated amount of money every step of the way for it.

I am shocked to see so many people here that consider themselves an
entrepreneur to be putting the blinders on and just plowing through. We are
the ones who think outside of the box! We don't do something just because
we were told we should! Hell no!

Take those blinders off, what is your real reason for being in school? What
are you really getting out of it? What's the opportunity cost you're giving
up here, is there something better you can be doing with that money
and your time?

I feel this silly conversation is about to get a bit sillier ;-).

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Benjamin Eddy

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Nobody said it, Benjamin. They didn't need to. As you can see from the o.p., Will started the thread in order to discuss his specific issue, which involved university education.

Most of what you're referring to as "education" (i.e. for IM) is what many people would call "vocational training". So you're talking at cross-purposes with many of the people in the thread, because you're using the word "education" with a different meaning and not comparing like with like. I'm not saying that makes you wrong and anyone else right: I'm just pointing out that that's why you're at cross-purposes with many who replied.

They didn't say it out loud I guess, but it has been inferred. Your argument
is that the education you're getting will stay with you. Of course that
education will stay with you. But the education doesn't need to come
from a college and when you don't need the degree under your belt, then
all that matters is the quality of the education. You can get a much better
quality for your money in other places then college can ever offer.

I am referring to college simply as education because as an entrepreneur,
the degree you will receive does not matter. So college is only worth the
education you are given. You are paying time and money for an education,
(to be educated on a subject matter) is college the best quality for the time
and money you are giving it?

I'll be spending maybe 9 or 10k on it, spread over three years, and earning some money at the university as I go along, actually - but thanks for your concern.

You did say phd right? 3 years for undergrad, grad and phd studies?
Impressive.

Even at 10k and three years. You could start a very large business with
10k to invest and three years of time. A nice plus as well, your education
would then come from hands on experience.

It did indeed.

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Of course it did. You still havn't given any good reasons on the college side
though, other then keep those blinders on kid.

Now our little college debate aside. Even though I am taking the side of no
college, I do not know that dropping out of college is the best choice for
the OP. As I do not know how serious he is about wanting to be an
entrepreneur and I don't know where he is at currently in his IM career.

P.S. it's interesting to see the people who dropped out it was all at their second year

. For
me it was my second year as well.

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Jason Pereira 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Benjamin Eddy

P.S. it's interesting to see the people who dropped out it was all at their second year . For
me it was my second year as well.

Was 2nd year for me too
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- willyboy104 15 years ago
  
  Hmm it is strange, now I am in my second year that I have been considering this...thanks everyone once again, interesting thread.
  
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Benjamin Eddy

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I don't want to debate it for ever with you, Benjamin, but for the record I completely disagree with you...

I have no problem respecting your decision. I just enjoy having a
conversation openly about it.

I completely agree with you. I think I am much better at marketing
because I understand psych, philo, sociology and other studies of
thought. But, I did not learn these other studies in college. Here again
college failed while trying to teach me these and I found I could
receive a better education online for free on any of these subjects. I am
listening to audio tapes and watching videos from the top minds in philo,
sociology, psych etc. all the time and I get it free online.

Again the debate is, is college the best quality education for your time
and money.

I'm in my 3rd undergraduate year now. There are no master's degree courses in my subject; I've been advised to start my PhD right after graduating next summer. That'll probably take another 3 years during which I'll be making a good living from my IM work and probably a little bit extra from occasional tutorial classes for 1st year undergraduate students. Hope that's ok with you.

So 8 years then? Lol, of course I am. I believe you started this convo out
by stating "Well it's nice to see at least one person has made a sensible
comment" and then stating how you like to be provocative

. I am simply
doing the same but on the other team.

That would be vocational training for running my business, not "education". The facility to acquire that isn't running away. You can get that whenever you want it.

From Merriam Webster dictionary: Education:
1 a : the action or process of educating or of being educated; also : a stage of such a process b : the knowledge and development resulting from an educational process

This is what I mean when I say education...

Yes it is running away... You are not going to live forever, your time is
finite, not infinite.

Are you always this patronising and condescending to people who've made a different decision from you about their university education?! Rarely, if ever, does the word "sheesh" spring more to mind. Sounds like I inadvertently touched a raw nerve, here: I apologize for that: like many others above, I was responding primarily to my friend Will.

If you want to give out a few punches, you should be able to take a
few back, but sorry if it came out harsh. I don't mean to hurt feelings at
all. I just enjoy a lively conversation and I am very interested in this
subject.

Also I would like to say I am not directing my posts necessarily at you. I
just happened to pick out your post and quote it. I am hoping anyone on
the pro college side will jump in and give there opinion.

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- Benjamin Eddy 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  At my school, to be honest, they teach that 3 + 3 = 6, not 8. :p
  
  Ah, maybe I should have finished my education , don't know why I put 8.
  Still it would be 4 + 3 = 7 .
  
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  Daniel Brock 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Benjamin Eddy
  
  Ah, maybe I should have finished my education , don't know why I put 8.
  Still it would be 4 + 3 = 7 .
  
  Too add on to the the last couple of comments, There are things that college can teach you that you can't really pick up on your own:
  
  Proper writing techniques
  
  Languages <-- Rosetta stone will not teach you the conversational aspect of it.
  
  Generally anything that requires some sort of feedback/interaction college has its advantages with.
  
  But if you are going college for say a communications, marketing degree, business administration, or anything BS like that you would be much better off learning on your own from experience while making bank in the process.
  
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davidjames42973 15 years ago

Are you outsourcing any work? While you have somebody building businesses for you, you can concentrate on your studies.
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Daniel Brock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by willyboy104

Hey guys.

I am in my second year at a University in London, studying China International Business. First year went well, was easy and I was interested but this year I just can't seem to concentrate all I keep thinking about is my companies, websites and products, how to make more money and how to grow bigger, better lists?!

I have been doing Internet Marketing for several years and can't help but breathe the damn thing, but my University education is falling because of it.

It is important to know the only reason I am going to University is to get a degree as a backup after Internet Marketing, however I still need to pass.

Has anyone experienced this themselves?

Who else here is at University, and how do you handle this fine balance?

Thanks =)

Yes, this is the exact same thing that happened to me while I was going to college.

I was too busy thinking about my businesses, didn't really want to spend my time studying, doing homework, etc.

So eventually after my second year I dropped out.

I also realized I should probably quit school when I was dropping or keeping classes depending on whether or not there were pretty girls in the class.

In my opinion, that is not a good enough reason to be going to college...

It was an easy decision for me. And if you get 2 years out of the way, and decide to drop out, you can always go back and finish it off later on.

That's at least what I said to myself to pull the trigger.

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TelegramSam

15 years ago

Hey Willyboy,

Are you making a good income in IM?

If you aren't yet, then there is no harm in getting a good qualification.

Who knows, in 5 or 10 years time you may get bored with IM anyway.

You can always complete the year and take a gap year.

Now, whatever it is you decide, make sure you focus on it when you are actually doing it.

Don't be in IM and dream of Uni. Also don't be in Uni and dream of IM.

Do what you are doing, when you are doing it!!!

Sam

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willyboy104

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Hey Willyboy,

Are you making a good income in IM?

If you aren't yet, then there is no harm in getting a good qualification.

Who knows, in 5 or 10 years time you may get bored with IM anyway.

You can always complete the year and take a gap year.

Now, whatever it is you decide, make sure you focus on it when you are actually doing it.

Don't be in IM and dream of Uni. Also don't be in Uni and dream of IM.

Do what you are doing, when you are doing it!!!

Sam

Hey Sam, yeah I am making an OK income online, but I know it could be much better if I was to focus on it 100%

Yeah I totally understand, I am trying to do University work right now actually and i just cant bring myself to do it, so annoying.

Thanks for your comments though, much appreciated.

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Christian Fox

15 years ago

Adderall, lots and lots of Adderall.

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Daniel Scott

15 years ago

I'm not sure how the American system works.

I thought university was just a different name for College

Here we finish high school and go straight into our undergraduates at university, which largely involves copious amounts of weed, booze, and sex.

Personally, I have two music degrees... which is handy if I ever run out of toilet paper. I don't regret the time I spent at uni at all... I had a lot of fun and made some great friends... and I learned a lot.

But to me... it seems like you're unhappy... and I think life's too short.

Sometimes we have to do bad stuff to get to the good stuff... like working out to get a nice body.

But if you're not happy and you don't need the degree... I'd dump it (but make sure you finish the current semester and pass your classes).

You can always come back later. True, you may not want or need to; but that's okay.

Personally, I think universities/colleges SUCK... filled with crappy teachers who can't teach and should be at Maccas flipping burgers.

But I expect people like Alexa go to fairly exclusive places where the quality of education is a lot better.

My advice is to do what makes you happy. You've only got one life... live it.

-Dan

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Erik Ortega

15 years ago

I'd look at it like this... and regardless of what any one says, people always care about their image and how they are perceived...

As of right now and what has been the case in the past, people don't look at being an internet marketer as a serious career path. Regardless of what we all know on this forum, the "outsiders" think its a joke.

However, if they hear that you've graduated from a University you get a lot of recognition regardless of whether you majored in nuclear physics or restaurant management (please don't be offended if you've majored in restaurant management

).

So for your future focus on the University now, if not for the recognition you'll receive later on, then do it as a back up plan.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Erik Ortega

I'd look at it like this... and regardless of what any one says, people always care about their image and how they are perceived...

As of right now and what has been the case in the past, people don't look at being an internet marketer as a serious career path. Regardless of what we all know on this forum, the "outsiders" think its a joke.

However, if they hear that you've graduated from a University you get a lot of recognition regardless of whether you majored in nuclear physics or restaurant management (please don't be offended if you've majored in restaurant management

).

So for your future focus on the University now, if not for the recognition you'll receive later on, then do it as a back up plan.

I agree with this. I'm 4th or 5th year (yep, doing some victory laps...that's how slack I got), and I can't wait to be done. I took a year off after first year and did some manual labor. You won't believe how fast that gets you running back to University. After coming back, I had my best year of university ever in terms of marks.

Now that I'm nearly finished, I've stopped going to classes completely. This whole semester I only showed up for tests and exams.... Not A SINGLE class. Suffice it to say I'm still passing.

Why am I still bothering with it?
For the damn recognition. I'll be honest, doing a psych/phil degree won't get me too many jobs once I'm done, and really I don't want a regular job anyway. So for me, the only reason I still bother with it is because I know my social class depends on it. Might as well play the game society has setup. I've learned next to nothing from university. Sure I can throw a few psych terms at people, but that's pretty useless. If it weren't for the recognition and piece of paper, I would consider it a total waste of money.

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tomspussycat

15 years ago

I think you should always follow your heart... If you don't like college education for a reasonable cause, maybe you can chose to drop out and then do what you think that make much more sense... Don't waste time and money anyway...cheer up...

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Tom B Banned 15 years ago

Hi Willy,

I sort of read into your post a tad. It sounded like you wanted others to give you the go ahead to quite school. I could be wrong but that what is sounded like to me.

I have one question for you.

Once you work your business for awhile, what will you do when you hit the wall and find it hard to concentrate?

You learn a lot of things in school besides what you are taught in class.

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- Sissy76 15 years ago
  
  My uni days were some of the best days of my life and that experience has played an enormous part in shaping me into the person I am today.
  
  Second year is hard.The novelty of first year has well and truly died, you're starting to get your teeth stuck into some fascinating subjects, your social life is almost 24/7, yet you also need to balance your income-making ventures (or job, as it was in my case) with your coursework and deadlines.
  
  This is life, my friend. You are always going to have interests and demands competing for your time, especially when you have kids!
  
  You can spend your time worrying about a future which may not ever happen, or you can focus on what's happening right now and enjoy it for what it is.
  
  Life changes ALL THE TIME. You can plan all you like, but unless you make sure you're able to be flexible with life and learn to accept what every moment holds, then you'll always be looking to the future and worrying away the here and now.
  
  Basically, there's really no such thing as the right or wrong way to decide what you want to do. If you drop out now, or take a year off, so what? I assume you're making enough money to support yourself without having to work 9-5 for someone else. University will always be there.
  
  So many of my friends have degrees which are totally unrelated to the work they're doing now. Some of them have second degrees and have trained for a completely different profession after working for years in the one they originally studied for.
  
  Travel is one of the best educations you'll get in life. Getting out of your comfort zone and experiencing new cultures, meeting new people, eating new kinds of food - who knows where it could take you?
  
  If you want to take your business to the next level, then I say go for it. If you also want to stay at uni, then stay at uni, outsource as much as you can and create a greater balance between your business and your studies. If you want to take a year off, do it and go travelling.
  
  Whatever you decide to do, make sure it is from your true self and not what your friends, family and society have taught you to want, or to meet the expectations of others. That is a road which only leads to emptiness.
  
  Don't be afraid to make a change if that's what you truly want. There are too many people living their lives governed by fear in one form or another, the world needs its adventurers!
  
  All the best with whatever you choose to do. I guarantee it will be a wonderful journey, whatever you decide.
  
  Cheers,
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Davioli

15 years ago

@ Kieran
Its not about someone saying they have degrees and such. Its what is generally accepted all over the world that a recognised University degree will give you an edge over someone without one when applying for a job.
I'm an entrepreneur and own online and offline businesses..but I still choose to complete my chartered Accountancy Qualification in the next 6 months because its a good Plan B! Who knows what will happen to my businesses five years from now.

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MoneyRaker

15 years ago

I am a University student in my 3rd year, and I tell ya - This Thread is no less than a $17 WSO for me. Literally, so much motivation and tips on the problem I was worrying about.

Really thanks guys!

And just to give my words ....... I Breathe Internet Marketing ...... But I love my University.

IM is my Hobby but my University gives me the tools to succeed in life ..... and sure it helps in IM too!

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