PayPal is STILL at it!

May I Ask? What exactly is going on with Paypal? I have never had any problems with them except their fees being inconsisstent.

Am I the only one getting a "problem loading page" when I click the link?

Is there a reason you are using a Northern Mariana Islands TLD?

It IS a US possession but STILL, it could raise red flags.

Steve

Let's see...

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The reason is Branding.
A TLD shouldn't get you shut down.
They clearly express a dislike for events of any type.

One thing I noticed in the article was that he mentioned numerous times about customer service reps only identifying themselves by their first name. Is it common to have a rep at a major corporation identify themselves with first and last names? Whenever I call someone or get a call, it is always first names.

While I can understand the frustration that the post author has, I can also understand what Paypal is doing. You can never do too much due diligence, especially when someone is doing a lot of sales.

If they are that frustrated with the service they are receiving, why not step up and get a merchant account? If they are doing a lot of volume, it is definitely worth it...

It may seem paypal sucks at time, but I think for them its ALL about protection. They simply don't want to take the risk. I know I've had my outs with paypal numerous of times and I think for them to see the slightest risk, means bad days ahead for the merchant. Risky activity can mean a lot of things...things that a lot of us wouldn't even consider risky. I know one of the biggest things is people not reading the policies in its entirity. People not knowing their limits when using paypal. And as we all should know, if you're going to have a large increase in cash flow, paypal should be the first to know. Don't ever give paypal a reason to doubt your intentions.

But as far as that story goes...well I can see where paypal might have felt the "risk" but like most cases, it wasn't even that serious, not serious enough to shut down an account at least.

There's a video about one guys encounter with paypal posted on this blog that I find very amusing, its a swear word for the site so I wont spell it out here.
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I'm sure you can work it out.

I lost money with Paypal before too. I was living in Italy, and they froze my account with $300 in it. Fortunately, my bank gave me the money that eBay stole out of my account... but I have never forgotten that they stole money from me. To unfreeze my account, they wanted a driver's license and utility bill. I was living in Navy housing at the time and didn't have a utility bill, so there was no way to get the money back.

Unfortunately, some people only pay through Paypal. I try to avoid them though... and I realize that any money that is kept in my account could be randomly stolen from me, at any time, for virtually no reason at all... and there's really no way to get it back if they do decide to steal it from me.

What alternatives are there to Paypal?

I've never had any problem with paypal. My suggestion would be, before you are going to do a big launch or you know its going to be a lot of activity, notify paypal and let them know in advance. All the best.

We can be so glib about situations that we've never experienced. Like people who tell battered women to "just leave" or tell smokers to "just stop smoking" if it were that simple there would be no need for discussion.

Paypal's is very inconsistent with the application of policy and anyone who has been spared the sting of the cherry pick policy should consider themselves lucky and not savvy. NON-ebay sellers stand a better chance of long term survival but they eventually get everyone if you're not careful.

I've been with them since x.com and they were giving people $5 to join (1999 or so) and I've seen some dark days. If you're a small online seller, they're a necessary evil. Like having to scoop the litter pan if you want a cat.

They have the consumer confidence and there's no cheaper payment gateway if you're selling digital goods. I know there are ways around them but talking price and infrastructure they're the best bang for the IM'mer buck. Plus they squeeze out any competitors so most sellers are actually stuck with them.

They're necessary but I'm not going to pretend that they're right.
Tolerance does not automatically mean acceptance.

- Just my 43 cents.
In this inflationary times I've had to raise the price from 2 cents.

I used to have my own brand of items made in china (private label), and sold them on ebay. I made anywhere from $100-$500 a day profit (5-10 sales per day, 7 days a week).

Then I ran into some paypal problems triggered from 1 dipsute that was raised while I was away on vacation (someone wanted a refund, and was pissed that I didn't refund the shipping - which my auctions clearly stated was non-refundable - i was on vacation, so I didn't even know about this issue though).

While jumping through all of their hoops, ebay/paypal sent emails to all of my past customers going back at least a month telling them that there were problems with my account, and then told them how to file a dispute if they hadn't receives their items.

Well, evidently there are a lot of scumbags out there - as tons of people filed a dispute with paypal saying that they didn't recieve their items, etc. I had return receipts from the post office, as well as the fact that those same people left me positive feedback on the items. It didn't matter - paypal wanted DATED pictures of inventory I had already sold, with my ebay id visible in the pics. Um, OK - I'll just hop in my time machine and take of that!!!

Paypal locked up my entire account for months, which meant my ebay account was locked as well.

My business went belly-up overnight - and to make matters worse I had 30 days of inventory on hand, plus another 30 days worth being manufactured, and another 30 days worth in the queue to be manufactured (and my funds were locked up in my paypal account).

It took a year to get everything straightened up with paypal, and in the meantime I was out of business and hiding my car from the repo man.

I hate paypal

I am using PowerPay these days. They're an information marketing, product launch friendly merch that's an authorize.net reseller.

Dude no merchant account will take business from seminar companies either, you have to go to very specific providers to get one, go read the tos of all the major merchant providers and you will see seminars are on their banned list

Its a high risk business model that brings in a lot of charge backs and diputes, this isnt just a paypal thing

Robert

Paypal cannot be trusted full stop.
Ive had in the past Paypal funds frozen and Kept by Paypal.
We have also sold on Ebay only to be told that selling on Ebay is of "High Risk" and all funds kept for 6 months.
If you havnt already got it Paypal does this for a reason. To make money for themselves and to keep peoples money.
I called paypal once and asked them of a way that we could list items on Ebay get paid and actually be able to access those funds?

They couldnt answer that question.

paypalsucks.com

What paypal did here was pretty consistent with all payment processors... Nothing to see here Richelo except paypals risk assesment department doing its job.

All payment processors hate conferences, and for good reason

Just my thoughts...
* PayPal is also a business and protecting their own interest which is why they choose businesses they work with.
* They are very particular with the security of their clients
* If you're not happy with PayPal, let them go and look for something else that will suit your needs.
* There is always a downside on everything. This just happens to be theirs.

We've implemented a new paypal strategy I've detailed in a new thread. Remember if paypal violated their TOS aribitration goes out the window and you have the right to take them to court. Paypal has not won a court case in over 2 years. They have lost numerous class action lawsuits. Sue them and then apply pressure from the local and national media. In short do not let them bend you over.
Our AG here is using our complaint to base another lawsuit against them and ebay based on the previous class action they lost and did not adhere to the court rulings.
They may look like a 200# gorilla but they are taking enough hits to be on the ropes and enough pressure will force them to be either regulated or drive them out of business all together.

The whole problem is that Paypal is unregulated, they can do whatever they damn well please and there are so many people who need an internet money service that they will go to them first, because they are the only ones on the block, except for alertpay but no one has ever heard of them.

Maybe these people who have a problem with them should file a class-action or something?

the worst part about paypal is they have the power to hold your money for 180 days.. ridiculous.