Outsource List Building?

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Hi,

I just thought of this a while back. I noticed that almost all the tasks now can be outsourced to save tons of time and focus on the things that we can do. From article writing, product creation, graphic designing, back linking, article submissions etc...

But have you thought about outsourcing your list building activity as well? I know I'm not doing it, and I don't even know if it's possible. I heard it once from Lee McIntyre, that the reason why you are not getting the results that you want when it comes to building your list, is because you are doing it yourself alone. I guess his point is to leverage and use other marketers to help you build your list.

There are a lot of ways to build your list. Forum posting, blog commenting, article marketing, guest blogging, ad swaps etc. but those are the tasks that you need to do manually. Does anyone here building their list on complete auto-pilot or, maybe outsourcing if it is possible?
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    You should have your list building engine set up by yourself or somebody you trust and then you can outsource the traffic generation part.

    You should though make sure you explain to your worker what is acceptable and what not and how to monitor the quality of the traffic to focus where appropriate.
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    if anyone knows how to do this, id love to know. id pay GREAT money for quality leads that double opt-in.
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      Originally Posted by mudbutt View Post

      if anyone knows how to do this, id love to know. id pay GREAT money for quality leads that double opt-in.
      It can be done quite easily but the big question is:
      How much would you pay for a confirmed opt-in?


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          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Nothing.

          A confirmed opt-in that someone else has "produced" for me has no value to me, compared with an opt-in confirmed by someone who's read one of my articles, been from there to my website and liked what they saw enough to want an email relationship with me because they want to hear more of what I have to say. That's how my business is built.

          Alexa you seem to be missing the point. You still get to qualify the subscribers anyway you wish. You are simply paying on a per subscriber basis, rather than per visitor or per sale.


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    There's a lot of outsourcing companies who offers such kind of services.
    If you could provide your contact info, I can recommend someone to do it for you.
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    List Building can be totally outsourced...

    I'd personally just outsource the traffic generation process and create the offers and emails myself... I only like to give information that I know works + plus I'd rather personally build a relationship with my list (only possible when I write the emails)

    Lee Mc uses affiliates mostly to build his list ...you're going to need a great product and great JV skills to build a big list using this approach
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    Truthfully you do want to build your list for yourself, but then when you get more traffic etc you will start to see your sites will get opt ins on complete auto pilot. Then I class adswaps, autoresponder swaps etc, when you get someone else to do it but at the same time you still have control which is important! just my $0.02
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    You got it!!
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    Why would somebody build your list for you, when they can build it for themselves and keep all the commissions that result in the creation and publication of that list?

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    I got a shock yesterday when I discovered how many email marketing lists I am actually on right now without even knowing anything about it. Over time just like most of us I too have subscribed to other peoples Ezines so that I can find out when new products are about to be launched so that I can be part of the launch and learn from it. myeasyonlinepay.com/how-many-mailing-lists-are-you-subscribed-to/
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    Originally Posted by regska View Post

    Hi,

    I just thought of this a while back. I noticed that almost all the tasks now can be outsourced to save tons of time and focus on the things that we can do. From article writing, product creation, graphic designing, back linking, article submissions etc...

    But have you thought about outsourcing your list building activity as well? I know I'm not doing it, and I don't even know if it's possible. I heard it once from Lee McIntyre, that the reason why you are not getting the results that you want when it comes to building your list, is because you are doing it yourself alone. I guess his point is to leverage and use other marketers to help you build your list.

    There are a lot of ways to build your list. Forum posting, blog commenting, article marketing, guest blogging, ad swaps etc. but those are the tasks that you need to do manually. Does anyone here building their list on complete auto-pilot or, maybe outsourcing if it is possible?
    You know... I outsource a TON but i've never thought of that! Cool
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      Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

      You know... I outsource a TON but i've never thought of that! Cool
      Anything can be outsourced. Keep in mind though that the key thing in any business is to make yourself indispensable so your employees/partners can never ease you out.

      What does this have to do with listbuilding?

      Only outsource the parts where they build your list. you don't have to explain what you do with your list.

      It can be done. I have a couple of businesses that run like this.

      group staff x does linkbuilding, group staff y does article writing. so on and so forth.

      What i do is piece everything together. Have a final team evaluate and put together. then we're done.

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      Originally Posted by Maverick_ View Post

      You know... I outsource a TON but i've never thought of that! Cool
      Anything can be outsourced. Keep in mind though that the key thing in any business is to make yourself indispensable so your employees/partners can never ease you out.

      What does this have to do with listbuilding?

      Only outsource the parts where they build your list. you don't have to explain what you do with your list.

      It can be done. I have a couple of businesses that run like this.

      group staff x does linkbuilding, group staff y does article writing. so on and so forth.

      What i do is piece everything together. Have a final team evaluate and put together. then we're done.

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    Matt Leclear, a member here, was providing this very service and it looked quite good.

    However, he informed me he had stopped that service and it sounded like no plan of continuing it, so it certainly can be done!

    Agreed, if someone could do this consistently and reliably for any niche with guaranteed results, surely would be a fantastic business to provide.
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    You CAN outsource list building - HELLO PEOPLE!!!!
    It's called "CPA" - COST PER ACTION. Why do companies spend money for email submits or zip submits or mobile phone submits?

    You simply have to hire a cpa firm - neverblue, copeac, etc, etc. Usually though the start up costs are higher, but the ROI can be better.

    Why? Because you are paying exactly for PERFORMANCE - in this business model you buy leads not clicks.

    The economics of it is that you have to compare your subscriber acquisition costs (how much the cpa network pays you to get that lead) to how much that subscriber is likely to earn you over the entire "life", i.e. the lifetime customer value....

    Alternatively depending on what market you are in you can go to some of the lead auction places and see if they are actually selling leads in your niche....
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    I have outsourced blog commenting, article marketing and guest blog posting with some success re my list building results. I sourced people from the Philippines to do this BUT it took me a few attempts to get the right people lined up...my first few "recruits" were duds. You will also need to have a clear step-by-step training ready to give them. I also insisted on a daily report. Outsourcing is a huge topic and there are many others in this forum with more experience than me...but that's my 2-bobs worth.
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      Originally Posted by peterbeckenham View Post

      I have outsourced blog commenting, article marketing and guest blog posting with some success re my list building results. I sourced people from the Philippines to do this BUT it took me a few attempts to get the right people lined up...my first few "recruits" were duds. You will also need to have a clear step-by-step training ready to give them. I also insisted on a daily report. Outsourcing is a huge topic and there are many others in this forum with more experience than me...but that's my 2-bobs worth.
      daily report, show me method etc and a real step-by-step training are very important.
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    Well then let me rephrase that for you...

    "The subscribers still get to qualify themselves and select themselves as they wish."
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    Outsourcing list building is basically about affiliates.

    Create a product with 100% commission that is AMAZING. Use RAP or even 7DS if you need too. Don't make it a lame $7 product, make it a $47 product and still giveaway all the money.

    If it's a good product and you can get a few affiliates to promote it well, you'll get people buying it (building your list) and those buyers will turn into affiliates themselves, if for no other reason than to make their money back on the product.
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      Originally Posted by James Foster View Post

      Outsourcing list building is basically about affiliates.

      Create a product with 100% commission that is AMAZING. Use RAP or even 7DS if you need too. Don't make it a lame $7 product, make it a $47 product and still giveaway all the money.

      If it's a good product and you can get a few affiliates to promote it well, you'll get people buying it (building your list) and those buyers will turn into affiliates themselves, if for no other reason than to make their money back on the product.
      I totally agree with you James. There are a lot of marketers selling a very low cost product ranging from $7-$10. If you try to sell a more expensive product like $27-$47, people will see the value of the product.

      I'm not saying that all expensive products have more quality than low cost products, there are still some $7 products that has a high quality, but most people see it that way.

      If you sell a $27-$47 product and give 100% commissions, then you will attract a lot of affiliates that can build you red-hot buyers. Well, I guess I may try doing both, sell a low cost $7-$10 product and give 100% commissions to build my list fast, and sell a $27-$47 product to build list slowly, but red-hot buyers. But whatever it is, at least you are building a buyers list.
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    Do people really understand what a zip submit is???

    What an email submit is???

    What CPA is?
    People, companies pay AFFILIATE MARKETERS ALL THE TIME TO BUILD THEIR LISTS!

    It's the smart thing to do - THIS IS BIG BUSINESS LEVEL THINKING....

    Eveyone saying "oh you wont' get quality subscribers" doesn't know how performance-based marketing works.


    I'm personally slowly but surely working towards this. The point is if you sign on as an advertiser at a place like commission junction or neverblue or copeac (notice I said ADVERTISER NOT AFFILIATE), you have to test the quality of traffic that comes in.

    That's why alot of cpa firms have caps on how many leads each affiliate can do, they need to see if the affiliates are sending good quality traffic or not.

    If you want to outsource listbuilding, just figure out your expected revenues PER subscriber (for the year), then you can figure out how much you can afford to pay.

    Perry Marshall says that he is willing to pay UP TO $5/SUBSCRIBER because he know's he'd make that back in a year.

    So in this situation, he's set up a cpa/cpl program (if he were to outsource list building) and pay anything less than that. If he offered just $1/lead for an email submit (similar to a cpa program), then he's be spending $1 and making $5, for a profit of $4/per subscriber....

    This business model makes a lot more sense when you think about it because by the time you add up labor costs for a lot of other ways to generate leads/subscribers (writing articles, testing ad campaigns, etc), the costs ad up....

    I'm testing a few CPA sources my self and trust me it is a helluva lot less work. No tweaking ad campaigns, writing articles (was heavy into seo and article marketing) no this,no that...

    The challenge now is to see how well this traffic source converts. All I know if I get more revenues out of it than it costs to put people on a list, it's alot easier to write a check/paypal someone than the other way of generating traffic.

    My advice if you want to outsource list building is set a monthly budget for yourself then test different paid traffic sources to see which one yields the lowest subscriber acquisiton costs and the highest revenues per subscriber....

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