Is the War Room just a place to get free stuff?

14 years ago

I would love to see a general discussion subforum there but maybe...I don't see it as simply a place to get free stuff though, it can also kick some ideas into gear.

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buckz55

14 years ago

yeah , not to say its bad or anything but its way over-rated ...

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Alfred Shelver

14 years ago

In the world of $1000 dollar products with over hyped sales etc.. to call the warroom over rated is a bit harsh.... There are absolute gems in there and your money could very easily be paid back with 2 downloads in 3 minutes.

I do think discussion would be great but difficult to moderate mainly because everybody has different views about what is Valuable as is so evidently pointed out by this thread.

Having said that I am glad this thread was started because it may just lead to more value in the warroom.

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yeah , not to say its bad or anything but its way over-rated ...

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Greg guitar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cathy Shelver

In the world of $1000 dollar products with over hyped sales etc.. to call the warroom over rated is a bit harsh.... There are absolute gems in there and your money could very easily be paid back with 2 downloads in 3 minutes.

I do think discussion would be great but difficult to moderate mainly because everybody has different views about what is Valuable as is so evidently pointed out by this thread.

Having said that I am glad this thread was started because it may just lead to more value in the warroom.

Calling the war room overrated is beyond harsh, I think; it's just about the opposite of true.

Anyway, I had to laugh when I realized that the op was actually using the phrase "just a place to get free stuff" as a criticism! The free stuff is worth soooooo much more than the measly price of admission, it's beyond me how anyone could see a downside to it. Last time I checked, free was the best possible price!

I'm trying to imagine what kind of perspective it would take to not see the immense value there. The only thing I know for sure is that if you have an entrepreneurial mindset, you will be delighted by the contents. I would say to anyone who thinks it's overrated, that they need to open their mind to see how many amazing paths open up before them as they explore the threads there.

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alanbray

14 years ago

the point of the war room is that every thread is valuable. The only way for that to be so is if the theme is free but normally costing. advice that is good can be sold and if you get it there for free that means it is a great forum.
it is a lot better than the list of free ebooks, because this is designed and moderated to be of real value, no strings attached. You can learn a lot of real lessons from the war room that are not available free anywhere else and yo get to constantly see top marketers giving tips. It is sort of the equivalent of being invited to a marketing conference and that is extremely valuable so go back there and pay close attention to the original thread posts, they are the most important ones.

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buckz55 14 years ago

The war room basically gives you ideas to take that next step and get you thinking.
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DomenicoGrecojr 14 years ago

The War Room is a place to get free stuff...but not JUST free stuff.

People have paid money to access this part of the forum. So if you offer a something valuable and share it with the WAR members, you'll gain friends who are proven buyers. So the relationship you build there is better QUALITY.

Another benefit is that the threads there are about valuable strategies and tips. In the main forum, you have to filter out the crap. In the WAR room much less filitering is required.

In the WAR room, Allen Says posts his views, plans and strategies. Although he should do it more often

These benefits plus the FREE stuff, is why people saying it worth every penny. It's one time payment anyway.
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deckman

14 years ago

The war room is not just about Free Stuff. It is fellow warriors giving back to the forum. I find stuff there that I didnt know that I needed until I see it.
You find WSO (Free) but also warriors share links they have found to be helpful with online marketing or you will find warriors just sharing a blueprint on how success came to them.
I have had no regrets. This was some of the best money I ever spent.

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Matt Morgan 14 years ago

Is the War Room just a place to get free stuff?

It is also a place to get many people to 'thank' you aswell
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thetruth23

14 years ago

No offence to anyone, buy some of the free stuff in there can SOMETIMES be pretty awful. A load of old WSO's etc. (don't get me wrong, some WSO's are decent, but are all of them being moderated?)

Anyway, I'm not complaining. It's cool for what you pay, but I do get what the OP is on about.

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George Wright

14 years ago

Anyone who thinks the WarRoom is over rated or just a place to get free stuff just doesn't "get it." Sorry. The stuff by Allen alone is worth thousands. Well at least it's put thousands in my pocket.

It's OK if you don't "Get it."

I don't "Get" SEO or affiliate marketing.

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tecHead

14 years ago

Originally Posted by George Wright

Anyone who thinks the WarRoom is over rated or just a place to get free stuff just doesn't "get it." Sorry. The stuff by Allen alone is worth thousands. Well at least it's put thousands in my pocket.

It's OK if you don't "Get it."

I don't "Get" SEO or affiliate marketing.

George Wright

The thing about "perceived value" is that its a very personal thing; which can also be deceptive. Someone could "say" the WAR room is the best thing they've come across but "perceive" it as nothing more than a hot bed of dumped off digital crap.

I "perceive" the WAR room as an essential homage to Mr. Says; as it is an undeniable fact that if there were no Warrior Forum, there is a very strong argument that there would not have been as many millions made in this industry.

Having had my share of those millions, (and still getting my share), as a direct result of being a Member of this community... if for nothing else, I became a WAR room Member, as well.

If you do not see the value in that alone, then your perception is that of shortsightedness and misconception. If you see this as a judgment call; you've merely proven my point.

So, I'm with George. Get it... or not. Its all good.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by George Wright

Anyone who thinks the WarRoom is over rated or just a place to get free stuff just doesn't "get it." Sorry. The stuff by Allen alone is worth thousands. Well at least it's put thousands in my pocket.

It's OK if you don't "Get it."

I don't "Get" SEO or affiliate marketing.

George Wright

George I fully agree with you. These people who think it's a place for just free "stuff" don't realize how the War Room can help them. You are right...they just don't get it. But that's ok, not everyone is cut out to have an online business.

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buckz55

14 years ago

Originally Posted by George Wright

Anyone who thinks the WarRoom is over rated or just a place to get free stuff just doesn't "get it." Sorry. The stuff by Allen alone is worth thousands. Well at least it's put thousands in my pocket.

It's OK if you don't "Get it."

I don't "Get" SEO or affiliate marketing.

George Wright

Whoever owns this forum is banking off the War Room , but i've yet to see something i didn't already know on there lol just my opinion.

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jlxsolutions 14 years ago

I waited a long time about this warroom thing.
But once i eventually decided to get it i found it was well worth the money.
I actually made it back whit tips from there in 2 days (1 and a half day basically sleeping and eating lol)
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Alfred Shelver 14 years ago

Well then you need to put something in there because obviously you know things no one else knows.

Banking off the warroom I think not Warroom membership is every 20 years

look at the WSO forum threads are bumped continously ... warroom is pocket money in comparison.

But most find more value than they pay

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Whoever owns this forum is banking off the War Room , but i've yet to see something i didn't already know on there lol just my opinion.
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Matt Morgan 14 years ago

Originally Posted by buckz55

Whoever owns this forum is banking off the War Room , but i've yet to see something i didn't already know on there lol just my opinion.

The truth is that the value of this forum is not in the profits produced from this forum going to the owner, but the value is in the information the owner has provided, and the information that other warriors provide.

There is more value than just money $$. The information provided in this forum is the real asset!
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Rob Howard

14 years ago

Originally Posted by buckz55

Whoever owns this forum is banking off the War Room , but i've yet to see something i didn't already know on there lol just my opinion.

Well crap, man, get in there and edu-ma-cate the rest of us! Since you know so much about IM that you've know everything discussed in over 800 posts - surely you have wisdom to add!

I look forward to reading your posts in there.

Rob

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Chris Ingham

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

Well crap, man, get in there and edu-ma-cate the rest of us! Since you know so much about IM that you've know everything discussed in over 800 posts - surely you have wisdom to add!

I look forward to reading your posts in there.

Rob

LOL! I like this post. It summed up what I wanted to say basically.

I paid the subscription pretty soon after joining, because I am looking for more information, and ways to learn from those that have gone before me. If someone spent good money after bad on something with no results, I want to know why, and it gives us that.

I was a bit surprised that it was all free stuff basically, but then I realized that it was the people here (some doing well, some not so well) trying to give some back, and probably do like the rest of us and make our living off the internet. It is difficult, but then if it wasn't everyone would do it.

I see it basically like the an extension of my horse training. I work hard at it because I want to be good at it, and some day, maybe, actually relax. The best way is to learn from others mistakes as well as mine.

Chris.

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Halli

14 years ago

First off I have to say that I don't regret the least paying the membership fee.Not at all. Secondly I agree that the posts by Allen are very good. But talking about giving back to the forum is ok if you have been here for a long time and gained lots and lots of information and help. But what about those who haven't? Those who are just starting out. For me personally I joined the War Room not because I was hoping to get lots of free stuff (Many of them are extremely good) but because considering the praise that the War Room was getting I expected there to be a more deeper discussion and techniques. The War Room is a great resource for products and ebooks and things like that. But just like we tell others when they put up their website.Content is King and that it's important to update it often. In this example the content is the posts by Allen and the rest is cluster of ads (even though it's all free).Where are the "updates" from the other members of the War Room? I say again that I do not regret paying the membership fee. I am just wondering if the War Room will evolve into the great thing it can really be?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Halli

First off I have to say that I don't regret the least paying the membership fee.Not at all. Secondly I agree that the posts by Allen are very good. But talking about giving back to the forum is ok if you have been here for a long time and gained lots and lots of information and help. But what about those who haven't? Those who are just starting out. For me personally I joined the War Room not because I was hoping to get lots of free stuff (Many of them are extremely good) but because considering the praise that the War Room was getting I expected there to be a more deeper discussion and techniques. The War Room is a great resource for products and ebooks and things like that. But just like we tell others when they put up their website.Content is King and that it's important to update it often. In this example the content is the posts by Allen and the rest is cluster of ads (even though it's all free).Where are the "updates" from the other members of the War Room? I say again that I do not regret paying the membership fee. I am just wondering if the War Room will evolve into the great thing it can really be?

I hear you; and thank you for clarifying your motivation for the post.

I'd have to say that the WAR room's evolution will be directly related to those who participate in it. Someone made a good point about the fact that the WAR room is a 'moderated' forum; and trust me when I tell you, moderating a forum is a 24/7 gig... it is NOT easy.

I think this is one of the reasons why the posts there are kind of "limited", (for lack of better vernacular), to give-aways. They take less time to moderate; although, everything posted TO those give-away threads is NOT moderated; (if I'm not mistaken).

Even if they are; I'm sure you (and anyone else feeling a little slighted) could ask the posters of those give-aways questions regarding their gifts... wouldn't that be the equivalent of "updates"? Inquire directly to posts put up by Mr. Says; I've known him to answer more than a few people directly.

Make it what you want it to be instead of waiting on someone else to do it for you.

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George Wright

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Halli

First off I have to say that I don't regret the least paying the membership fee.Not at all. Secondly I agree that the posts by Allen are very good. But talking about giving back to the forum is ok if you have been here for a long time and gained lots and lots of information and help. But what about those who haven't? Those who are just starting out. For me personally I joined the War Room not because I was hoping to get lots of free stuff (Many of them are extremely good) but because considering the praise that the War Room was getting I expected there to be a more deeper discussion and techniques. The War Room is a great resource for products and ebooks and things like that. But just like we tell others when they put up their website.Content is King and that it's important to update it often. In this example the content is the posts by Allen and the rest is cluster of ads (even though it's all free).Where are the "updates" from the other members of the War Room? I say again that I do not regret paying the membership fee. I am just wondering if the War Room will evolve into the great thing it can really be?

Sorry, I really hate to argue but you seem sincere. The WarRoom does not need much more fixing. The Mods recently fixed it (cleared up the blatant and covert ads) However....

What you are wanting to discuss in the War Room should be discussed right here in the main forum. This is "Where we talk about making money."

I think there is so much negative guru bashing and complaining about "garbage" WSOs and "junk" IM products and why this is bad and why that is wrong that we lose site that the MAIN FORUM is supposed to be "Where we talk about making money." Not where we moan and groan.

The evolution of the main forum to a negativefest and a crying room is what needs to be stopped.

There is still a TON of great stuff on the Main Forum but the direction seems to be that some are trying to make a name for themselves by pointing out all the foibles of others and other's methods, calling into question motives and outright hostility towards anyone making big bucks.

This sometimes overshadows the great stuff right here in main forum land.

I used to think people did the negative stuff out of frustration and or jealousy or even low self esteem and that is still part of it, however, I'm beginning to see that there is a lot more to the bashing than meets the eye. Time will bring it all to the light.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by George Wright

I think there is so much negative guru bashing and complaining about "garbage" WSOs and "junk" IM products and why this is bad and why that is wrong that we lose site that the MAIN FORUM is supposed to be "Where we talk about making money." Not where we moan and groan.

The evolution of the main forum to a negativefest and a crying room is what needs to be stopped.

There is still a TON of great stuff on the Main Forum but the direction seems to be that some are trying to make a name for themselves by pointing out all the foibles of others and other's methods, calling into question motives and outright hostility towards anyone making big bucks.

This sometimes overshadows the great stuff right here in main forum land.

I used to think people did the negative stuff out of frustration and or jealousy or even low self esteem and that is still part of it, however, I'm beginning to see that there is a lot more to the bashing than meets the eye. Time will bring it all to the light.

George Wright

George,

Thank you for having the gonads to say what needed to be said...

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Alfred Shelver 14 years ago

George Amen... I see all these Negative, and or no value controversial threads and they get SO much air time, and replies without adding value. Then the really respected Senior guys try and set the person straight, and offer Value in the thread, but it mainly perpetuates the initial non value negative thread.

I must clarify though that I have also learned alot from many of the replies to these threads.

And I agree the Warroom to me fulfills its purpose without detracting from the purpose of all the other threads. If anything warroom offers too much value can easily distract me and steal my time.

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I'm beginning to see that there is a lot more to the bashing than meets the eye. Time will bring it all to the light.
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sanssecret

14 years ago

Those who haven't been here for very long can still give back. You bring a fresh perspective that the more experienced IM'ers may overlook. Sometimes it's easy to forget how hard something is and take for granted that folks know certain stuff.

The way the Warroom is set up means that every new thread has to start off with something of value. So you can't go in there and just post a question. But if you've downloaded something and want to delve deeper into it, there's nothing to stop you from asking questions in the thread.

I think a lot of the problem comes from the fact that folks get all this free stuff and then don't do anything with it before they go running off and download something else. (with all that exercise you'd think I'd fade away to nothing :p) Obviously, if you don't use it you won't have anything to say about it.

Originally Posted by Halli

First off I have to say that I don't regret the least paying the membership fee.Not at all. Secondly I agree that the posts by Allen are very good. But talking about giving back to the forum is ok if you have been here for a long time and gained lots and lots of information and help. But what about those who haven't? Those who are just starting out. For me personally I joined the War Room not because I was hoping to get lots of free stuff (Many of them are extremely good) but because considering the praise that the War Room was getting I expected there to be a more deeper discussion and techniques. The War Room is a great resource for products and ebooks and things like that. But just like we tell others when they put up their website.Content is King and that it's important to update it often. In this example the content is the posts by Allen and the rest is cluster of ads (even though it's all free).Where are the "updates" from the other members of the War Room? I say again that I do not regret paying the membership fee. I am just wondering if the War Room will evolve into the great thing it can really be?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by sanssecret

Those who haven't been here for very long can still give back. You bring a fresh perspective that the more experienced IM'ers may overlook. Sometimes it's easy to forget how hard something is and take for granted that folks know certain stuff.

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As someone who has very recently made the plunge into IM, here is my perspective.

I began the current journey two weeks ago. Not that I am new to the content side of the internet game--as I have been designing sites and managing various CMS and forum deployments since 1996. Currently I am the general manager of vB forum operations for the largest amateur radio site in the world (QRZ.COM). At 400K members on the forum side, and ~1.4M database side users worldwide, that is not amateur night (pun intended)...

Throughout all of this, I have never seriously considered taking steps to monetize a site--although with a few of my own sites AdSense was incorporated to help defray domain and hosting costs. If you had asked me a month ago what I thought about sites whose whole purpose was to serve as an intermediary to make money from advertising or affiliate membership--you would have not liked my answer!

Strange how the realities of the new economy and impending decrepitude can alter one's opinions. In seeking alternative career and income channels, my wife signed me up (as part of a Getting Motivated mega-conference) to a three day "seminar" on internet marketing. I will not state the "rock star" presenter's name--suffice it to say he thinks of himself as a Special Person...:p

At the end of the first day, I recognized that there were incredible opportunities in IM--and had enough knowledge to know too much of what I was hearing was smoke and mirrors TOTAL RUBBISH™. There ain't no secret sauce, and some things will simply get a person into trouble. Having made a decision by the second day to pursue this avenue--and not by leaving $4000 in the pocket of the u-rug--the adventure took flight.

Thus two weeks ago began a crash course on IM foundations--an average of 12 hours per day of it. Researching affiliate vendors, strategies, vertical markets & niche, documenting & organizing; most everyone knows the drill. This forum was discovered as part of that. First I read, then joined and lurked. The quality of the information has been found to be excellent--a shortcut to focused investigation is a more stepwise manner, based on the experience of others.

Like the OP, I wanted to believe in the impossible--that the War Room might contain the elusive "secret sauce". Greed and ignorance conspire to try to suspend our disbelief in such things, and fear and uncertainty move to trick us into believing that special places exist where the pearls of wisdom dripping from the lips of those more experienced will easily grease our path.

With these little gremlins poking at the back of my mind (amidst much resistance) I shelled out the $37 at 7:30PM last night and spent until 3AM plundering through the War Room contents. Was it worth it? Hell yes. Was the elusive secret sauce found? Of course, right next to the unobtainium.

Yes, to some it might appear to be filled with offers. For those seeking to be spoon fed predigested pablum drenched in secret sauce there is going to be disappointment. That board is filled with dreck and diamonds, arrayed in a joyous hodgepodge that invites the viewer to exercise something seriously lacking these days--critical thinking skills and discernment.

In my virgin tour of TWR, here is what I discovered. Refinements to strategies I am thinking about that will increase the profitability upon launch--instead of eating up a month wondering why it was not performing better. An application that performs better and has more features than one I just shelled out $50 for. New strategies that align with my intended initial campaign--that I had not even considered. A directed research topic list to gain further knowledge--saving me time and frustration. All without getting whacked by a squeeze page to receive something that may not have any worth at all. Yeah, I think TWR has value.

Even if the cost was $37 per year--that's $0.10 a day. If that is too much for someone to help support a resource like the overall Warrior Forum--then maybe that person should consider taking up a hobby instead of a business. I received much more value than that just last night.

Just a thought...:rolleyes:

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barryc1963 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Blogmudgeon

+1

As someone who has very recently made the plunge into IM, here is my perspective.

Outstanding post, well written and spot on!
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DavidMaddux

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Blogmudgeon

...Was it worth it? Hell yes. Was the elusive secret sauce found? Of course, right next to the unobtainium.

Yes, to some it might appear to be filled with offers. For those seeking to be spoon fed predigested pablum drenched in secret sauce there is going to be disappointment. That board is filled with dreck and diamonds, arrayed in a joyous hodgepodge that invites the viewer to exercise something seriously lacking these days--critical thinking skills and discernment...

Just a thought...:rolleyes:

This is great stuff!

Pass the Secret Sauce! It's right next to the Unobtainium!

Keep it coming Blogmudgeon

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by darylimjz

Not being a contrarian but I would also back Halli up totally.

I have the exact same sentiments that he has.

The War Room undoubtedly is good, but I just don't get the hype and rave reviews about it.

It is kinda over-rated, at least imho.

But still, all's good with the red letters under my name! (And super credits to grayambition for sponsoring me the membership, appreciate it!)

Go read the 5 star threads at this link...
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Then come back here and let us know if you still think it's overrated.

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George Wright

14 years ago

And your "sentiments" are exactly why I haven't jumped on the sponsoring band wagon.

First of all you have not been a member long enough to make your judgement. Secondly why should you appreciate it? You had it handed to you on a silver platter by a very generous Warrior.

You are entitled to your opinion, however I think you will change your mind when you take the time to dig around in there a bit.

Just a side point. Take it or leave it, it's a common courtesy, when someone gives you a valuable gift, that you publicly make known you want, and for whatever reason you can't buy it yourself, you just say thanks and move on, even if you think the gift wasn't "all that"

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Originally Posted by darylimjz

Not being a contrarian but I would also back Halli up totally.

I have the exact same sentiments that he has.

The War Room undoubtedly is good, but I just don't get the hype and rave reviews about it.

It is kinda over-rated, at least imho.

But still, all's good with the red letters under my name! (And super credits to grayambition for sponsoring me the membership, appreciate it!)

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Halli

For me personally I joined the War Room not because I was hoping to get lots of free stuff (Many of them are extremely good) but because considering the praise that the War Room was getting I expected there to be a more deeper discussion and techniques.

I think a good place to get into those deeper discussions and brainstorming is within the Mastermind Groups. I think it might be more of what you may be looking for. The war room has its place and there is some very valuable conversations that go on there throughout the threads, but you have to look through them and not just browse the main post. I find a lot of great feedback just by reading the follow ups.

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tpw

14 years ago

Some of the best ideas appear only in the war room...

Consider this... If you are a sharing person and desire to share a great idea or resource with another person, you are often willing to do that, so long as you can be assured that you are giving the information to friends, and not to Google's all-seeing spider...

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ernestlohan

14 years ago

I found war room as a very good avenue to share something not just to get something from the warriors.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Halli

Before joining there I thought there would be a lot of somekind of "deeper" discussion there especially since people were praising the War Room so much.

Question:

What's the difference between...

1. A forum post detailing your traffic generation methods,

and

2. A free PDF detailing your traffic generation methods?

Answer:

It's easier to get #2 approved when you post it in the War Room.

I don't know why, and I'm not going to speculate.

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mnonline

14 years ago

Knowledge from Warrior Forum is free to get and it's the best. I have learned a lot so far here. Some are very valuable.

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Alfred Shelver

14 years ago

I am sorry to say but I was so excited for you when you were sponsored entry into the warroom a few days ago... With this comment I believe you would have seen more value if you paid for it yourself. (easy come easy go)

Originally Posted by darylimjz

Not being a contrarian but I would also back Halli up totally.
I have the exact same sentiments that he has.
The War Room undoubtedly is good, but I just don't get the hype and rave reviews about it.
It is kinda over-rated, at least imho.

But still, all's good with the red letters under my name! (And super credits to grayambition for sponsoring me the membership, appreciate it!)

Now Imagine what you get when you pay in this forum.

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John Durham

14 years ago

Originally Posted by buckz55

yeah , not to say its bad or anything but its way over-rated ...

Wow talk about taking something for granted... just the FREE discussion here is worth 57 bucks. Some people forget that being a warrior is a privilege and not a right.

Not to be an ass kisser, but the warrior forum changed my life personally. I could give $1000 and not think it was over rated.

Originally Posted by Halli

I feel like that the War Room is just a place to get all the free stuff your computer can handle. Before joining there I thought there would be a lot of somekind of "deeper" discussion there especially since people were praising the War Room so much.But all I see is all the free stuff being given away and then the posts from the admin or postbot.Am I missing something?

Am I missing something?

A Bunch of free reports written by experienced warriors outlining the details of systems that made them successful... the cost one of ONE of these reports in many cases would be higher than the cost of joining WF, and there are HUNDREDS.

I dont think you are missing the Forrest, it's just hard to see for all of the trees in the way.

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tryinhere

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Halli

Am I missing something?

yep

I think your reading the war room / life back to front. It's not what you take. It's what you give, and the war room is full of people who give, bless those cotton socks one n all.

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Dean Jackson

14 years ago

The War Room is the best investment I ever made, hands down.

And im not just saying that because everyone else is. You can buy tons of products - yet never achieve the state of mind that you recieve when you get in there.

I don't wanna leak out too much info because its too cool for non members!

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gjabiz

14 years ago

For me, it is easier to find Warriors who may be good JOINT VENTURE partners.

On the general forum, there is so much repetition, and it "seems" the noobs won't even use the search feature, they really want to see their names on the forum and build up their numbers...but I might be missing something too...

In the War Room, the very fact you paid to get in is in someways, and in my experience (your's may differ), it leads to a more "serious" person, one who understands certain realities of life.

I don't have time in my day to search through all the main forums new posts, but I can find some warriors where I can have a "DEEPER" discussion with people who won't waste my time.

For some of us, TIME is the capital we can't expand, so we spend it as wisely as possible. Making money is easy, and there are a 1001 ways to do it. But finding quality people to work with, those who will stick with a project to completion, those who are committed to their success and demonstrates the committment by acting and adjusting.

So, one VALUE I've gotten from the War Room is the meeting of people who WANT the "deeper" discussion and understand the PROCESSes and procedures and are less likely to flit off into the WSO section looking for a magic bullet solution.

For me, all forums, are only as good as the people who participate. And I've found some high quality people in the War Room, and the irony is, they DON'T post. There are scores of HIDDEN WARRIORS whom you may not see, but they DO see you.

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Originally Posted by Halli

I feel like that the War Room is just a place to get all the free stuff your computer can handle. Before joining there I thought there would be a lot of somekind of "deeper" discussion there especially since people were praising the War Room so much.But all I see is all the free stuff being given away and then the posts from the admin or postbot.Am I missing something?

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Jagged

14 years ago

Are you missing somthing? YES...Your Missing The Big Picture!!

There are 16 pages, 50 threads per page....thats 800 threads of valuable marketing info....OK, maybe every thread isn't worthy to be there...so, for sh*ts & giggles I will knock that own to 650 threads.......650 threads of quality info, any of which if implemented would make you money.....650 threads of info that easily could be sold for between $7 - $777 each. The threads by Admin alone are priceless...
$37 to join the WarRoom.....thats 0.057 for each thread, anyone of which can easily make you hundreds / thousands of dollars...you don't see the value in that? You don't see what Allen Says has done by opening up his own personal vault, stuffed with money making info & blueprints that easily taken thousands of his own dollars & hundreds if not thousands manhours to compile.....then open that up to share with one of the greatest marketing minds out there....the knowledge thats shared in the WarRoom.....you just can't put a price on it...

Look beyond page 1 or 2...the true value is burried deep. Those who find it praise the WarRoom...those who do not find it question it's value...

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Underground SEO

14 years ago

I also have to agree in a way. Whilst it is useful I think it would be greatly enhanced if it contained a sub forum. I personally haven't really used the war room since I joined it a while back, but for many I'm sure it is vital to their business strategies.

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glchandler

14 years ago

yeah , not to say its bad or anything but its way over-rated ..

The war room basically gives you ideas to take that next step and get you thinking.

Both statements came from one poster....and each seems to contradict the other.

Many of those who squawk over the over/under value of the War Room probably have tens (if not hundreds) of "make money NOW" offers on their hard drives....and probably at a cost of $17.00----$??.?? for each one. And they bought them simply to take the easy way out to being an internet millionaire.

They take this belief into the War Room purchase. Believing that all you need do is to drop $37.00 into Mr. Says pockets and BOOM---instant success into your Paypal a/c is no more valid for the War Room then it is for all the other "offers" they have purchased.

Simply downloading the "freebies" will not help you make money. Research each post and READ the subsequent posts to each offer. LEARN how others have used this offer and how their use has improved it. USE this information to further your IM education---not to instantly grease your bank balance.

The War Room is not an instant income booster. As previous posters have said the mods have cleaned up a lot of the worthless chaff that filtered in with the influx of new members when the WF changed membership standards.

By example...I have been talking myself into trying a rather expensive software program. Mostly I wanted it to experiment with. Took a trip through the War Room this morning and ---WOW---the owner offered it for free. This alone saved me over $100.00.

So is the cost of membership worth it? DUH!

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Alfred Shelver

14 years ago

Originally Posted by glchandler

By example...I have been talking myself into trying a rather expensive software program. Mostly I wanted it to experiment with. Took a trip through the War Room this morning and ---WOW---the owner offered it for free. This alone saved me over $100.00.

So is the cost of membership worth it? DUH!

Would love a link to this but I understand why you would want to keep the competition at bay

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xnice 14 years ago

I get some useful ideas on this free stuff. This what I need. You may see the problem of others and get lesson about it. You will have a new things when you see some free sharing. Thanks Warriors, I got a lot of experience and help to improve myself.
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Alfred Shelver

14 years ago

Could I suggest that people post links to threads in the warroom that are worth the entrance fee then imagine thousands more posts.

Here is my contribution took 1 minute to find just for this exercise and I am excited thanks for the oppertunity to find more value in an amazing place

http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...er-niches.html

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BonganiS

14 years ago

I found it to be a place where you find great business tips that you don't get anywhere for free. The stuff offered is valuable since the War Room is properly moderated. Such stuff is sold in other places. You also access the Special Offers forum if you are a War Room member. Such offers are not easily found anywhere else. Members of this private forum share their best, which then benefits others.

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glchandler 14 years ago

Hey there Cathy....

Would love a link to this but I understand why you would want to keep the competition at bay

I am sending you PM on that bit of info.

Your sig link to the help wanted sticky is not working...I believe you wished to link to Gary King's post that became a stick?
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excoder01

14 years ago

Before joining the War Room I initially thought it was like a paid-only secret members discussion. You know, kind of like a private room where elite IMers share confidential top-rated insider strategies to over the online world by storm, before it leaks to the public! hehe.

However, it turns out to be mainly a promotional type of forums where many members generously gives away valuable products, ebooks, reports, and softwares....and some great insider tips as well!

That's all good in my opinion, but you can really get distracted easily with those kind of stuff. lol.

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ChickenMan

14 years ago

Someone commented on Allen Says forum posts. Are his ideas really that good that I can go and implement them right now and start making decent money?

I've only been part of the War Room for about 3 weeks now.

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Jagged

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChickenMan

Someone commented on Allen Says forum posts. Are his ideas really that good that I can go and implement them right now and start making decent money?

I've only been part of the War Room for about 3 weeks now.

Put it this way...if Allen Says posted that you can make money by eating dog crap...i'd be on my way right now to the local animal shelter to pick up a dozen puppies...

~Ken

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J23

14 years ago

What I don't understand is why people are being treated as if they have no right to their own opinion when it comes to the War Room.

Now I'm not a member of the War Room myself, so I'm not here trying to say whether it's worth the price or not, but it seems like every time someone on this forum has a less than outstanding view of this War Room, everyone jumps down their throats and tells them they don't know what they are talking about.

People can think what they want and have their own opinions. To me it just seems like too many people here take it personal when another person doesn't like the War Room or they simply say it's overrated.

Who cares? If you like it, that's your opinion and not a fact. If someone doesn't like it, that's also just an opinion.

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deu12000

14 years ago

The War Room is worth it. Even if it's only free stuff, that's a value in itself. Then add onto it new products that haven't even been released yet. Now add onto that some good ol' posts. Now add onto that some exclusives and you have the War Room.

It's $37. It's a drop in the bucket like my Sales Letter Creator from a few years ago says. In modern times I'd say a $100 - 200 price should have been more realistic (or even a $37 monthly price). I would have held out, but sooner or later I would have paid it and it would have been worth it.

As for people getting things for free from other posts. Most people that get things for free don't appreciate it. I have first hand experience in that and will tell you when someone doesn't spend their own money on something they just don't pay the same attention to it as when they pay for it and really don't appreciate it. At the same time you shouldn't hold a freebie against someone that takes a freebie, especially since someone that gets something for free most likely won't appreciate something as much as someone who has paid for it.

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JackPowers

14 years ago

I'd prefer the War Room to be more of a 'mastermind' group, but that's always difficult to manage, should it be invite only or something else?

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NicheMayhem 14 years ago

Okay, first off the products, posts, and information you can access in the War Room are not "free", you paid for it by joining. It was made possible by a true guru who positioned himself as an authority in the Internet Marketing industry by sharing his ideas strategies and plans which turned out to be golden. The spirit of the way he does business is being portrayed by marketers flowing in there to share what they can in hopes of helping out others.

I would be happy with just showing my appreciation for the free areas of this forum by having paid the $37 but it comes with a ton of opportunities to get my hands on some real info and real products which work as well which is awesome. The responses, stars and thanks very accurately portray the value of whichever thread you are viewing in the War Room and I tell ya, once you get your hands dirty by doing some actual damn work in internet marketing you will see the value in the War Room. Until then, speculate all you want and whine and complain about it 'til you turn blue but forgive me if I feel you are out of your damned mind by saying it is overrated!

Sounds to me it is simply more of the mindset that everything should be handed to you because you can breathe, get off your pedestal and get to work. Once you are doing "something" you will be wise to go back in the War Room and seek out the threads and information which can and will greatly help your efforts. Allen's PDFs on selling are fantastic and when followed will skyrocket your impact on the visitors who come to your website no matter what niche you are in. They alone are worth $37 each if not much more, actually compared to the things for sale in the WSO section, Allen's PDFs are priceless.

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Halli

14 years ago

Considering the reactions here I feel like I made some kind of blasphemy. Did I say that I think the War Room is overrated? No. Did I say that I regret paying the fee? No. Was I expecting to be handed everything to me? No. The only thing I said is that it isn't what I expected to be and that I was wondering if there was a way to make it better. What about having posters that have earned themselves x amount of credit post there? Having them rated on previous posts and then allow them to post. So that not any person with 37$ can post there. I GET that there is a real treasure in the offers and the posts from Allen. I'm only saying that my expectations for the War Room was accessing discussions at a higher level.

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George Wright

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Halli

Considering the reactions here I feel like I made some kind of blasphemy. Did I say that I think the War Room is overrated? No. Did I say that I regret paying the fee? No. Was I expecting to be handed everything to me? No. The only thing I said is that it isn't what I expected to be and that I was wondering if there was a way to make it better. What about having posters that have earned themselves x amount of credit post there? Having them rated on previous posts and then allow them to post. So that not any person with 37$ can post there. I GET that there is a real treasure in the offers and the posts from Allen. I'm only saying that my expectations for the War Room was accessing discussions at a higher level.

Well, sorry you were wrong. I was wrong once too. It's hard to deal with when your name is Wright.

Be glad your are Wrong Halli and not Wrong Wright.

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Greg guitar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Halli

Considering the reactions here I feel like I made some kind of blasphemy. Did I say that I think the War Room is overrated? No. Did I say that I regret paying the fee? No. Was I expecting to be handed everything to me? No. The only thing I said is that it isn't what I expected to be and that I was wondering if there was a way to make it better. What about having posters that have earned themselves x amount of credit post there? Having them rated on previous posts and then allow them to post. So that not any person with 37$ can post there. I GET that there is a real treasure in the offers and the posts from Allen. I'm only saying that my expectations for the War Room was accessing discussions at a higher level.

It's not that you blasphemed, just that most of us WR members are so knocked out by the unbelievable, ridiculous amount of value we got for our pittance of an investment, that we're kind of shocked that someone would express disappointment with it. Your desire for "deeper" conversations is a little confusing, since so much of what is in the WR is quite sophisticated, and the topics covered encompass a large area of marketing in general, and IM in particular, so I don't know if you mean you want people to relate the money making info to questions of philosophy, the meaning of life, etc, or what it is you mean by "deep". I think most of us are seeking business building discussions here-for deeper questions, perhaps this isn't the place.

Also, your suggestion to raise the quality of threads by letting people earn the right to post based on high ratings for past threads, is actually a good deal less rigorous than the current system, since you could presumably have an off day, and post a poor thread based on the fact that your previous ones were great.

That can't happen now, since every single thread has to be approved on it's own merits before going live. That leaves no room for anyone to coast on past achievements, as your system would. Also, it enables anyone who has something of value to share it, even if they never offered anything previously-why should we have to audition, when the quality of the OP of the thread we're starting is really all that matters. The rule is, if it's good in Allan's judgement, it goes up, regardless of how unknown you are. Likewise, if it's not good, it doesn't, regardless how big a name you have. Totally workable, as long as you think highly of the moderator's judgements, which most of us do. It is a private forum, not a democracy, so if you want to change it, you can only do so by persuading the owner to do so.

I suggest you simply give yourself more time to explore and find things that excite you. Then, if six months from now, you still think you have some good ideas for improving it, you could try to convince Allan that your plan is worth pursuing. Personally, I think it's going to be pretty hard to improve it, as it's already a brilliant model.

Try not to take it personally that people are defending the WR so vociferously-best to take it in stride, and try to understand how Allan has managed to do such a great job branding himself that he has "raving fans" instead of just customers.

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Dhira

14 years ago

Value is what you make it or do with it.

That autopilot solution thread is gonna make me a lot of money.....

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dirtdigger

14 years ago

There are some really worthwhile freebies in the War Room. But like the regular forms the real gems are scattered in the forum posts.
While these forums are about the best available on internet marketing not every thread or post is worth reading.
I find threads on subjects that interest me and read and read looking for the informative post that can teach me or start the ideals flowing. Some days nothing hits the spot, sometimes there are one or two gems and rarely you will hit the jackpot and find a whole series of posts full of gold.
I wish there was more time to read more threads because sometimes the posts on a thread with an uninteresting title can veer into an area of interest.
Like everything else finding the good stuff takes work. One thing that works well is if you find a member posting good information in a thread is to go look at the posts they have made in other threads and even better look for threads that they have started.
Boy, this started out as a one paragraph post but the fingers just kept going...when your mouth runs-a-way the term I have always used is motor mouth so what would be a good equivalent name for run-a-way fingers.

One last thing. The War Room is worth every single cent it costs!

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Halli

14 years ago

George I'm not sure I could handle the pressure of being Mr. Wright all the time

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Simon Ashari

14 years ago

While the war room is good, it is very easy to get into the trap of downloading all the free courses without doing anything with them.

A lot of those courses can gather digital dust on your hard drive if you go into the forum with the intention of reading absolutely everything and downloading absolutely every course offered.

The war room can definitely be a case of 'too much of a good thing is not a good thing.' However that all depends on what you do with the info in the war room.

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Anthony_Hall

14 years ago

Joining the War Room is probably the best investment I've made in a really long time.

Yes, I did download some free stuff but everyone there says to just concentrate on one thing at time. Once I took that lesson to heart the war room went from being just a place to get free downloads to a place where I have full access to the necessary tools to become a success at whatever I want to do online.

And anyone else that wishes too can accomplish the same thing with all the ideas and examples and lessons that people gladly give away on there.

Personally I'd like to post something as well but I figured I'd wait until I have something of actual value to share because at this point so many people on there are way far ahead of me in terms of IM.

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dagaul101

14 years ago

I was under the impression it was where you could get shareware/freeware software, I might be wrong

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