Need your advice..bought 15 million leads..

16 years ago

Buying leads like this is spamming, so of course you are going to get hit with spam complaints.

If I were you, I would try to get your money back ASAP. This is a very, very bad investment on your part.

Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, 99% of the time it is.

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Marshall,

How do I send the whole list the first email without getting hit with a ton of spam complaints???

You don't. Email that list, and you're spamming.

My advice: Write it off as a bad investment.

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Kim Standerline

16 years ago

You don't send them out. simple as that

No way will any autoresponder service or hosting allow you to send out that many emails, and you'd be a fool if you even tried.

These are not opted in subscribers, so you're just another spammer

Kim

Originally Posted by marshallbailey

Hello Everyone...

I recently came across a deal where a company was selling 15 million home based business/ MLM leads..

I don't have a clue how old they are or how they were gathered...

I know some of you are thinking ... old leads won't convert...

However, I feel a little different.. I have been involved in both MLM and IM marketing for about 11 years now and still look for ways (buy products) to improve my business...

I guess what I'm saying is ... I'm probably on what of those old list (heck I'm going to look and see after this post) and I'm still open to better way's to market..

Simply put " I believe a lead is a lead"

Here's were I need your help..

The leads have emails as well as phone numbers... I want to send an email out to the whole list and have a link to a squeeze page in the email... if they opt-in on the squeeze page cool I've got a double opt in..

How do I send the whole list the first email without getting hit with a ton of spam complaints???

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16 years ago

Well, From what I gather on here its a far better plan to generate your own. Easier too. And with your experience this shouldn't be a problem. But if you don't like to write (I do) I've got some suggestions. pm me. And whatever you decide, have a good weekend. Curious what company are you with?

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Doug Simons

16 years ago

Good Question I would ask the guy from email aces

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by marshallbailey

Hello Everyone...

I recently came across a deal where a company was selling 15 million home based business/ MLM leads..

I don't have a clue how old they are or how they were gathered...

I know some of you are thinking ... old leads won't convert...

However, I feel a little different.. I have been involved in both MLM and IM marketing for about 11 years now and still look for ways (buy products) to improve my business...

I guess what I'm saying is ... I'm probably on what of those old list (heck I'm going to look and see after this post) and I'm still open to better way's to market..

Simply put " I believe a lead is a lead"

Here's were I need your help..

The leads have emails as well as phone numbers... I want to send an email out to the whole list and have a link to a squeeze page in the email... if they opt-in on the squeeze page cool I've got a double opt in..

How do I send the whole list the first email without getting hit with a ton of spam complaints???

As has been said, mailings of this kind are viewed as spam. But if you're determined to proceed....

Segment the list by location or even postcode (taken from the phone numbers) and send each segment an area specific offer. You'll then be dealing with less volume per mailing and this will allow you to be methodical in your tracking and targeting. It will make managing the essential numbers so much easier. By segmenting as narrowly as you can, and then armed with these numbers, you can then follow up on the phone in a much more manageable and responsive fashion.

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Ben_Curtis

16 years ago

I would always be suspect with that huge number. How were they gathered, and how many would actually be looking for what you offer?
Just my thoughts.

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Shannon Herod 16 years ago

Every reply here is correct. If you e-mail this list you are standing there. Unfortunately, you were duped into believing that this is okay. That is not the case.

When you purchase leads in the fashion that you purchase them, it is spamming if you e-mail them.

Unfortunately, you're going to need to chalk this one up to a loss.

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JayXtreme

16 years ago

Throw away the list..

it really is that simple.. seriously... do NOT mail that list...

You'd be wasting your time, ruining your chances/reputation if you ever come onto contact with them professionally and give yourself one mother of a headache..

Forget IT...

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marshallbailey

16 years ago

great responses...

the last thing I want to do is be a SPAMMER..

I simply wanted to email them with the opt in to verify they want more information about way's to market and make money online..

No sales in the first email .. just a way to build a list of like-minded people..

The list is broken down into states and companies... so I was going to set up the first email (leading to a opt-in page) in a way that would use the company they were with...

most company list are between 1000 to 1500 leads (apiece)

I'm simply trying to sort the list...

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travlinguy

16 years ago

I wouldn't necessarily say you've made a bad investment. Maybe you've paid very small money for the list.

There are a couple of things you might do. First, as everyone has already said, forget email.

If you have the time, take an hour or so a day, sit down, and smile and dial. If you have a good offer and a good script you could make a lot of sales - especially if your offer can be related to making money in a faltering economy. There are a lot of people who've been layed off looking for opportunities. Good Luck!

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marshallbailey

16 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

I wouldn't necessarily say you've made a bad investment. Maybe you've paid very small money for the list.

There are a couple of things you might do. First, as everyone has already said, forget email.

If you have the time, take an hour or so a day, sit down, and smile and dial. If you have a good offer and a good script you could make a lot of sales - especially if your offer can be related to making money in a faltering economy. There are a lot of people who've been layed off looking for opportunities. Good Luck!

like a voice blast system????

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Marshall,

like a voice blast system????

Forget MLM, or doing business online. You've got the wrong mentality. Go get a job.

Seriously. Just get a job. If you've got one, keep it.

The gentleman said, "Smile and dial." That suggests making personal contact with complete strangers, by actually picking up the phone and calling them one at a time with your offer.

Not blasting crap into their answering machines!

You responded to "That's spam" with the idea that it's okay if you don't have a direct pitch in the first email.

It's Clue Time: Doesn't matter if the only thing in it is your kid's first haiku. Unsolicited bulk email is spam. Content is irrelevant.

You've got the MLM Lotto sickness. You think that haphazardly plugging unqualified leads into someone else's program is a way to build a business. That's a perfect prescription for utter frustration.

Yes, it's possible to arbitrage like that, but you need to understand exactly what you're doing. You clearly have no clue about the requirements to make that work.

It's good that you want to do better. Stick to your day job and study what's needed to make things work in a business. Then start with small experiments, not things that involve millions of people. You need to know what you're doing, really well, before you start playing with big numbers.

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marshallbailey

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Marshall,Forget MLM, or doing business online. You've got the wrong mentality. Go get a job.

Seriously. Just get a job. If you've got one, keep it.

The gentleman said, "Smile and dial." That suggests making personal contact with complete strangers, by actually picking up the phone and calling them one at a time with your offer.

Not blasting crap into their answering machines!

You responded to "That's spam" with the idea that it's okay if you don't have a direct pitch in the first email.

It's Clue Time: Doesn't matter if the only thing in it is your kid's first haiku. Unsolicited bulk email is spam. Content is irrelevant.

You've got the MLM Lotto sickness. You think that haphazardly plugging unqualified leads into someone else's program is a way to build a business. That's a perfect prescription for utter frustration.

Yes, it's possible to arbitrage like that, but you need to understand exactly what you're doing. You clearly have no clue about the requirements to make that work.

It's good that you want to do better. Stick to your day job and study what's needed to make things work in a business. Then start with small experiments, not things that involve millions of people. You need to know what you're doing, really well, before you start playing with big numbers.

Paul

Calm down dude.. it's a beautiful Sat. and your getting all abusive ... what's up with that..

I simply asked a question ...

Sounds like somebody... hint hint... just lost their job ...

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marshallbailey

16 years ago

Originally Posted by marshallbailey

Calm down dude.. it's a beautiful Sat. and your getting all abusive ... what's up with that..

I simply asked a question ...

Sounds like somebody... hint hint... just lost their job ...

You know what the 'Just lost their job' plug was a little much... especially with unemployment at a all time high... so I'm sorry for saying it...

Dial and Smile might actually work.. let me look at the list of MLMer's... here's one..

I start with a guy named Paul - (814) 452-2855 out of PA..

wonder if he's home right now.. heck he may even be on his computer checking out the Warrior forum.. let's dial it up and see...

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joblythe

16 years ago

Originally Posted by marshallbailey

You know what the 'Just lost their job' plug was a little much... especially with unemployment at a all time high... so I'm sorry for saying it...

Dial and Smile might actually work.. let me look at the list of MLMer's... here's one..

I start with a guy named Paul - (814) 452-2855 out of PA..

wonder if he's home right now.. heck he may even be on his computer checking out the Warrior forum.. let's dial it up and see...

That, Sir, was a rather silly thing to do!!

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marshallbailey 16 years ago

Originally Posted by joblythe

That, Sir, was a rather silly thing to do!!

Couldn't help myself.. life is to short to be serious.. have a great weekend..
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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Jo,

That, Sir, was a rather silly thing to do!!

Nah. I don't make any secret of my phone number.

Marshall,

I wasn't being abusive. I was telling you the truth. You do not currently have the mindset or knowledge to make it online. I'm sure you can acquire it, but you're looking at nothing but frustration and heartache if you keep at it with your current approach.

Take that advice for whatever you think it's worth.

Paul

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EndGame

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Jo,Nah. I don't make any secret of my phone number.

Marshall,

I wasn't being abusive. I was telling you the truth. You do not currently have the mindset or knowledge to make it online. I'm sure you can acquire it, but you're looking at nothing but frustration and heartache if you keep at it with your current approach.

Take that advice for whatever you think it's worth.

Paul

Handled with utter dignity. I applaud your attitude Paul, I would have gone biscuits if that guy had done it to me. I hope he takes your advice, it is well worth listening to, and I echo your sentiments in this thread.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by marshallbailey

Calm down dude.. it's a beautiful Sat. and your getting all abusive ... what's up with that..

I simply asked a question ...

Sounds like somebody... hint hint... just lost their job ...

Wow. The sheer level of cluelessness takes the breath away.

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Michael Motley

16 years ago

Don't email, you'll be sorry. Buying email leads in no way complies with the can spam act. You will get shut down in nothing flat and if any of the recipients wish to press the point, you will be neck deep in a very expensive (about $5k per instance (email) i believe) lawsuit, and you will lose.

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marshallbailey

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Don't email, you'll be sorry. Buying email leads in no way complies with the can spam act. You will get shut down in nothing flat and if any of the recipients wish to press the point, you will be neck deep in a very expensive (about $5k per instance (email) i believe) lawsuit, and you will lose.

Crap... thanks for the post.. thanks to everyone.. WILL NOT EMAIL.. any ideas on ways to get any use out of the leads... Travel Guy say's smile and dial... great idea but not to interested in cold calling...

luckily didn't spend much on the leads.. bought in as a group.. there are some in the group smiling and dialing... just not my deal..

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schabotte 16 years ago

You probably also would not want to call any of the leads as you run the risk of violating the do not call list. I know a lot of telemarketers ignore it but it could potentially hurt you in the pocketbook.
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mysteryleaves

16 years ago

Best if you bild your own list either using splash pages or some sort of list building site

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travlinguy

16 years ago

No. That's phone spam. I'm talking about a personal call from you:

You: Hi, I'm John Smith. I understand that you're looking for a way to make some extra money. Is that true?

Them: How'd you get my name?

You: To tell you the truth, I purchased it from a opportunity seeker's marketing company. If you're no longer interested in a great way to earn full or part time money, I apologize for the inconvenience...

Them: No, wait....

You get the idea. Then give them your pitch. You've gotta be careful because of the 'no call' laws now. But at one time they offered their name so you can probably avoid problems by being up front. If they aren't interested apologize and get off the phone. If you meet with a lot of hostility, you can dump the list as it's probably very old. But it's worth a try.

You might get a professional telemarketing company to do it for you. Or, you might check around for some software that can detect numbers that are on the no call list. Anyway, just some ideas...

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marshallbailey

16 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

No. That's phone spam. I'm talking about a personal call from you:

You: Hi, I'm John Smith. I understand that you're looking for a way to make some extra money. Is that true?

Them: How'd you get my name?

You: To tell you the truth, I purchased it from a opportunity seeker's marketing company. If you're no longer interested in a great way to earn full or part time money, I apologize for the inconvenience...

Them: No, wait....

You get the idea. Then give them your pitch. You've gotta be careful because of the 'no call' laws now. But at one time they offered their name so you can probably avoid problems by being up front. If they aren't interested apologize and get off the phone. If you meet with a lot of hostility, you can dump the list as it's probably very old. But it's worth a try.

You might get a professional telemarketing company to do it for you. Or, you might check around for some software that can detect numbers that are on the no call list. Anyway, just some ideas...

Thanks for your help... you've given me a lot to think about...

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jazzyjeff

16 years ago

15 million emails? Have you spoken to the company about how they got their leads? It sounds like they just used a software program to scour the internet to collect emails. Well, with 15 million emails, there is bound to be at least one person that will be complaining about spam.

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Chris Lockwood

16 years ago

I would not call these people due to the Do Not Call list, unless you know how to comply with that.

Are physical addresses included? If so you can try a postcard mailing. No permission needed for sending physical mail.

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Devan Koshal

16 years ago

Try and get your money back.

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sequincer

16 years ago

Buying Leads is as good as spamming,because sooner or later you are going to end up sending spam emails to people.
This type of emailing is strongly condemned by search engines.
Search-engines generally penalize the url's associated with spam emails.
Try to get your money back if you can,or write it off as Bad Debts.

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Killer Joe 16 years ago

There was a thread on this forum a while back that basically alluded to spammers getting one sale for every 12.5 million spams sent out. So you could always look at tossing this list in the garbage as only losing one sale.

That sure beats the financial destruction you could be facing by actually spamming that list.

Oh well, on to your next educational adventure...

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joblythe

16 years ago

Are physical addresses included? If so you can try a postcard mailing. No permission needed for sending physical mail.

Here in the UK it would only cost you 4,050,000 GBP for the postage (second class, of course!) - then there's the postcards . . . . :rolleyes:

Sorry, Chris, couldn't help that one - it's the accountant in me!

And if you fancy calling each one, non-stop, for about 30 seconds each - I hope you have just over 14 YEARS to spare!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by joblythe

Here in the UK it would only cost you 4,050,000 GBP for the postage (second class, of course!) - then there's the postcards . . . . :rolleyes:

Sorry, Chris, couldn't help that one - it's the accountant in me!

I didn't say to send postcards to the entire list. That would be dumb even if you could afford it.

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16 years ago

Sounds like somebody... hint hint... just lost their job ...

Oh Dear!! Watch out!

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Louis Raven

16 years ago

Don't be so quick to dump that list. With an open rate of 0.05 that's still one heck of an audience.

Also, you never mentioned if they are single or double opt-in? Probably still spam whatever so get pro advice before doing ANYTHING with them.

I dread the day when 15.xxxxx leads isn't worth chasing

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Kim Standerline

16 years ago

Are you being serious!

How can they possibly be even single or double opt in. (He bought them remember)

Originally Posted by Louis Raven

Don't be so quick to dump that list. With an open rate of 0.05 that's still one heck of an audience.

Also, you never mentioned if they are single or double opt-in? Probably still spam whatever so get pro advice before doing ANYTHING with them.

I dread the day when 15.xxxxx leads isn't worth chasing

Louis

MarshallBaily (or whatever your name is), when you ask for advice on the warriors, its not a good idea to start being offensive when you're given it. You're lucky Paul is obviously in a good mood. (He hates spammers).

At the end of the day, whichever way you decide to handle this, if you use that list, you're spamming pure and simple. You obviously don't kno what you're doing so I'd suggest (before you go any further) that you get some knowledge under your belt.

And if you're thinking of going down the MLM route, be prepared to lose a great deal of time, money and effort.

There are some MLM boards floating about the internet where you may find more of the advice you want to hear rather than that which you NEED to hear. I suggest you go post on there.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Louis Raven

Don't be so quick to dump that list. With an open rate of 0.05 that's still one heck of an audience.

Also, you never mentioned if they are single or double opt-in? Probably still spam whatever so get pro advice before doing ANYTHING with them.

I dread the day when 15.xxxxx leads isn't worth chasing

Louis

It doesnt matter if its double or single opt-in. Its not his list, he didnt build it, therefore the people on it have not corresponded with him so anything that he or anyone else that didnt actually build that list does with it will be spam.

Now if say you had a network of like 12 sites and in the site that really collected the emails, there was a TOS that said 'these emails may be used by our sister (or affiliate or network) sites for marketing offers' or something along those orders, then he's covered to market any one of those 12 sites on that list.

At best, you might be able to find a sympathetic host, and do a one time shot to them. That would generate traffic but there's also the probability that the host would dump you due to spam martyrs (yeah they are out there) that would gripe to the host. now if you had a backup host on standby to immeditely move your site to, then you might benefit from them.

Check with the place that they were purchased from, if they have some kind of safelist and it implicitly states that signing up with them means your email is sold, then your covered. But if these were generated with an email miner, you're tap dancing in a mine field.

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

spam martyrs (yeah they are out there)

Raising hand...

If by "spam martyr" you mean, "people who believe that email should remain viable as a communications medium," and who take action to help maintain it in that status by reporting spammers, then I plead guilty as charged and am proud to do so.

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Michael Motley

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Raising hand...

If by "spam martyr" you mean, "people who believe that email should remain viable as a communications medium," and who take action to help maintain it in that status by reporting spammers, then I plead guilty as charged and am proud to do so.

Paul

No, people that go out of their way to 'hunt' spammers. I'll give you an example.

I used to run a mass mailer back in the day, it was fed by two other sites, but it was a double opt-in, so if you were on that list, you consciously made a point to get on that list, no other way. All completely above board.

I used to have a couple guys that would sign up, and then when they started getting incoming emails as the site told them many times they would, they would immediately start griping to the host. The host was fairly sharp, knew about IM and what double opt-in is and how it works, he also knew me and knew i what i was doing and that i was totally above board. So when he got these guys crying about spam, he would tell me to remove them, and I would. Within minutes they would sign right back up and start griping again.

After i dug around to see what i could find out about these guys, who were very very knowledgeable about the canspam act, moreso than the average internet user, i found them to be part of an anti-spam group who's whole purpose was to grief spammers. They just didnt get the notion that just because you're running a mailer didnt mean you were a blackhat spammer.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

No, people that go out of their way to 'hunt' spammers. I'll give you an example.

I used to run a mass mailer back in the day, it was fed by two other sites, but it was a double opt-in, so if you were on that list, you consciously made a point to get on that list, no other way. All completely above board.

I used to have a couple guys that would sign up, and then when they started getting incoming emails as the site told them many times they would, they would immediately start griping to the host. The host was fairly sharp, knew about IM and what double opt-in is and how it works, he also knew me and knew i what i was doing and that i was totally above board. So when he got these guys crying about spam, he would tell me to remove them, and I would. Within minutes they would sign right back up and start griping again.

After i dug around to see what i could find out about these guys, who were very very knowledgeable about the canspam act, moreso than the average internet user, i found them to be part of an anti-spam group who's whole purpose was to grief spammers. They just didnt get the notion that just because you're running a mailer didnt mean you were a blackhat spammer.

I think you mean "Spam Vigilante" or something like that, dude...

What would a "Spam Martyr" be? Picture this...

Dude straps himself to his keyboard packed full of C-4...
Loads up a gazillion "purchased on a CD e-mail addy's...
Walks into SpamHaus's offices...
Starts yelling "Aieeelalalalalalalalalalala", hits the "Send" button...
Blows himself into a million bits...thereby earning the title "Spam Martyr".

LOL. How many Virgins do you get for THAT?

Now that's probably totally politically incorrect, but it's just too GD funny an image to pass up, so...Sorry.:p

Seriously though, what several posters seem to be failing to grasp is this One Simple Concept...

To be CanSpam compliant, the first action taken to get on a mailing list...the FIRST action...has to be taken by the person REQUESTING the info- NOT the mailing list owner, admin, whatever.

The FIRST action. If you buy a list and e-mail it, the people being mailed NEVER had the option to take that FIRST action: YOU took it FOR them, and that makes YOU a Spammer. Doesn't matter after that if they verify or not- YOU removed the element of "First Choice" from the equation.

And to paraphrase R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket, that can put you...

"In A World Of Sh*t".

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Louis Raven

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Now if say you had a network of like 12 sites and in the site that really collected the emails, there was a TOS that said 'these emails may be used by our sister (or affiliate or network) sites for marketing offers' or something along those orders, then he's covered to market any one of those 12 sites on that list.

This is the point, how do ANY of you know that isn't what happened to the OP?

Michael, GetResponse sell double opt-in leads for you to promote to.

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

GetResponse sell double opt-in leads for you to promote to.

Hardly the same process as one would expect from a list of 15 million, eh? What do they charge for each subscriber?

Paul

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Michael,

Ah. Those are just jerks. The anti-spammers I know consider them a problem, not a solution. (That's a charitable re-statement of the descrtiption.)

The way canspam works is 'they' have to contact you first.

Not true. Read the Act.

That said, CAN-SPAM isn't the toughest set of rules marketers have to live by. Remember, it specifically allows recipient systems to filter, and protects them from suits for action taken in good faith to keep out spam and other "objectionable" content.

MrSleep,

It's still spam even if you send them a double opt-in asking them to confirm if they want to be on your mailing list? I don't see why that wouldn't work.

Doesn't scale. If everyone started doing that, the "opt-in" emails would be as bad as anything else about filling up mailboxes.

From another perspective, it would end list building using COI. People would get so used to ignoring those messages that they'd ignore them all.

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Michael Motley

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Michael,

Ah. Those are just jerks. The anti-spammers I know consider them a problem, not a solution. (That's a charitable re-statement of the descrtiption.)Not true. Read the Act.

Unless something has changed, the can spam act requires there to be a pre-existing business relationship in place before you can contact someone with email. Then when doing so, the act also covers things like fake headers, messages titles and farmed emails..etc.

If you are to have a prexsisting relationship so that your message is considered a transactional or relationship message, wouldn't that sort of require them to contact you first, such as when someoene gets on your mailing list?

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Michael,

Unless something has changed, the can spam act requires there to be a pre-existing business relationship in place before you can contact someone with email. Then when doing so, the act also covers things like fake headers, messages titles and farmed emails..etc.

That has never been the case.

Having a pre-existing business relationship changes some of the Act's requirements, but CAN-SPAM does not outright forbid spam at all. It creates rules and stipulates penalties for certain actions, such as breaking some of those rules when sending email to harvested addresses.

I recommend that you believe nothing you read on forums about CAN-SPAM. Read the Act itself, and the FTC's rules arising from it. Then research the comments of folks who have legal training and have studied the issue carefully. (Yes, both. I've seen comments from lawyers that were so wrong that they could end up being sued for giving the advice to a client in a formal capacity.)

I don't think I've ever seen as much misinformation on forums about any topic as about CAN-SPAM. Almost 100% of the comments I see discussing it are pure fiction.

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Nicola Lane

16 years ago

15 millon is roughly 5% of the total population of the USA. Including children!

Do you seriously think that 5% of the population is interested in this?

Do you seriously think a list this size has been gathered recently?

The sheer size of this list makes me doubt that there is any value in it - unless you are a spammer of phone or email

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marshallbailey

16 years ago

WOW... I never thought this post would get any attention at all... LEADS seems to be a hot topic... I state again I WILL NOT EMAIL OR CALL THE LEADS ... I will chalk it up as a bad investment...

My understanding is that they are geneology (excuse my spelling) leads ... so they probably have a lot of duplication or even triplication ... same people different companies...

Thanks for all the responses...

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marshallbailey

16 years ago

I was simply looking for a way to sort the leads in a way that would only leave me with the people looking for a way to make money online... with as little aggrevation to the ones that didn't have interest as possible..

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As far as the opportunity I was going to address them with... GDI (global domains international) you'll see I have no affiliate links in this post or sig... and my business is in an alias.. so typing in GDI and Marshall Bailey will give you nothing...

I see it as a reputable company with a free trial and a total investment of $10.00 ... great place to start ... especially with the times the way they are..

If you do want my alias you'll need to pm me...

Don't want people to think this whole thing is about a MLM pitch...

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joblythe

16 years ago

Paul

Jo, Quote:
That, Sir, was a rather silly thing to do!!
Nah. I don't make any secret of my phone number.

Just the stupidity of the post got me! You are correct, though, nothing to hide - and I totally agree with your sentiments.

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Nicola Lane

16 years ago

This post got a lot of attention because all the warriors here don't want a clueless newbie to shoot themselves in a very tender area!

Think of it as an example of how this community is trying to make IM better.

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Louis Raven

16 years ago

Yes Kim 100% serious.

He could have purchased double opt-in leads or did I not make it clear in my post?

Purchasing leads is great! You may know of a big company that sells them

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Paul Myers 16 years ago

He could have purchased double opt-in leads or did I not make it clear in my post?

Ummm... You seem confused.

Do you have even the slightest idea of what properly disclosed leads would cost, confirmed opt-in and in those quantities?

$7.5 million to $30 million dollars.

And I don't believe there's a single company on the planet who has that sized list for sale that fits the standards for COI that are used by any responsible ISP or ESP. Or, for that matter, the EU, Canada or (IIRC) the UK.

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- Louis Raven 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  Ummm... You seem confused.
  
  Confused no. But I do feel Patronised.
  
  Paul, Maybe he purchased in bulk for $200? Who knows they may be scraped addresses and the seller wanted them rid off.
  
  To be honest.. I see a few people automatically playing the spam card when all that was said was he purchased some leads.
  
  I jumped into defensive mode and went the other way to keep his options open before he threw away a potential goldmine. I let my guard down for a while and posted without checking the calculator first.
  
  Anyhoo, I'm off to buy some leads that are double opt-in
  
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  Paul Myers 16 years ago
  
  To be honest.. I see a few people automatically playing the spam card when all that was said was he purchased some leads.
  
  Re-read the OP. He said he purchased 15,000,000 leads and wanted to email them. He said he had no idea how the list was compiled.
  
  That's asking how to spam. Hence the responses he got.
  
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  Andy Money 16 years ago
  
  It's still spam even if you send them a double opt-in asking them to confirm if they want to be on your mailing list? I don't see why that wouldn't work.
  
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  Michael Motley 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by mrsleep99
  
  It's still spam even if you send them a double opt-in asking them to confirm if they want to be on your mailing list? I don't see why that wouldn't work.
  
  The way canspam works is 'they' have to contact you first. The purpose behind a double opt-in is for you to have a tool to verify that without a doubt, the person behind the mail address that you are sending to actually asked for the email.
  
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  tiger325 16 years ago
  
  I really wouldnt do it buddy ....you get yourself in alot more trouble than its worth
  
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charlesburke

16 years ago

Marshall, I'm with Paul on this one. You were conned. You bought a bag of magic beans that will NOT grow into a business... EVER.

I repeat - you were conned. So just write it off, toss the names in the trash and move on. If you're smart, you'll learn a lesson from this experience. If you're not smart, you'll keep trying to figure out a way to salvage those names and build your business.

One thing I can tell you, despite what the "gurus" seem to all be promising, building a business is not a wholesale, pushbutton affair. And if you're still afraid to pick up the phone and talk to people, get help with that... it'll cripple your business efforts until you get it sorted out.

Here's a hint: if business really were effortless, everybody would have one. But the truth is, building a business is building a tough mind that doesn't shy away from facing facts, decisions and people.

Hope this helps and I wish you great success - it's a growth process.

Cheers from warm and smiling Thailand,
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poweremploy

16 years ago

I don't think any autoresponder would allow you to send that many emails, plus it would probably be considered spamming, especially if they are old leads.

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Eric Lorence 16 years ago

Originally Posted by poweremploy

I don't think any autoresponder would allow you to send that many emails, plus it would probably be considered spamming, especially if they are old leads.

Even if they did, it would probably cost over $100,000, and every one would still have to be confirmed, B4 you could send them anything.
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Live4Freedom

16 years ago

There are really only two choices to make.
Do you want to be a Spammer or a Marketeer?
You decision!
C ya

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marshallbailey

16 years ago

Hello everyone... what a day... all I can say is "Warriors Rock" I've received more great advice than I ever expected...

I want to make a "real" public apology to Paul Myers..

I took a earlier post he made personally and I shouldn't have... I responded in a very childish way..

I checked my PM's after the post and he had PM'ed me a copy of his "need to know" report... which I'm actively reading... 101 pages... feel like I'm back in college... thought about asking for the cliff notes...

Just kidding... remember life's to short to be serious..

So Paul... thanks for being the bigger man...

I feel like this post has been a big success...

I learned to take a little "hard" advise..
I learned I got "conned" not the first time.. darn it
I'm not emailing or calling the list...
I got a free guide by a real expert...
I learned the Warriors Forum is the place to go with IM questions...

Thanks to Everyone

PS... if anyone has checked me out I don't own or operate the site marshallbailey(dot)com wish I could get the domain name but someone else owns it..

Think I'm going to forget MLM and concentrate on studying the IM business.. not the first time I've tackled a new learning curve...

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16 years ago

Rots of ruck!

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tomw 16 years ago

Originally Posted by iw433

Rots of ruck!

As opposed to rocky rucks.

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