Digiresults Attack

14 years ago

You know, I knew something was up as I got a flood of affiliate requests a couple of days ago. I did not approve any of them. Then, today I got like nine more requests, as you said, all from a Yahoo address.

Thanks for notifying us about this. I'm going to reject all those affiliates and contact Digiresults.

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Christophe Young

You know, I knew something was up as I got a flood of affiliate requests a couple of days ago. I did not approve any of them. Then, today I got like nine more requests, as you said, all from a Yahoo address.

Thanks for notifying us about this. I'm going to reject all those affiliates and contact Digiresults.

Yeah good thing you didn't it would've been disasterous, that's a good idea because that's what I did and they need to be aware of this scam.

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ChristopherTheron

14 years ago

The odd thing is that I've been flooded with unknown warrior plus affiliate requests since last night. Very odd. Each user who has requested approval seems to be asking a ton of other warriors as well.

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theimdude

14 years ago

Hi,

Not a scam but a new plugin that build a autoblog on wordpress using the Warriorplus system

I purchased last night and populated a new site with +- 400 WSO's in 1 day

I questioned the supplier of the WSO and it is pending approval

Here is the WSO

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Gail_Curran

14 years ago

I was going to post on the WSO thread and noticed it was closed, thank goodness.

This seemed like a massive copyright violation to me.

Did the script creator have permission from every single WSO owner to reproduce their offer? Because Allen Says has a right to use the posts (it's his forum), and YOU have copyright of YOUR own posts, but OTHER warriors sure as hell don't have the right to take YOUR posts and use them for their own purposes.

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theimdude

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gail_Curran

I was going to post on the WSO thread and noticed it was closed, thank goodness.

This seemed like a massive copyright violation to me.

Did the script creator have permission from every single WSO owner to reproduce their offer? Because Allen Says has a right to use the posts (it's his forum), and YOU have copyright of YOUR own posts, but OTHER warriors sure as hell don't have the right to take YOUR posts and use them for their own purposes.

I don't think it was intended to use other peoples post for their own purpose. I was much like setting up a blog and pulling UAW article and if somebody click on the link you will get commission

I have send a ticket to warriorplus as it is used via there affiliate system but have not heard from them if it is ok.

I have in the meantime redirected my blog with the post to another website of mine until this is cleared

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kindsvater

14 years ago

That WSO is closed and the script is being blocked from Warrior Plus. You will want to depopulate those 400 WSOs from your website.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

That WSO is closed and the script is being blocked from Warrior Plus.

Kind of expected this, but bought it anyway before the price went up.

It could have been used sanely, you know, and been a cool thing to have in your arsenal. But instead, everyone decided to rape and pillage W+ (in violation of their terms, as I recall) for quick cash.

And this is why we can't have nice things.

Meanwhile, I'm out $13, and oh well. Never even unzipped it. Life goes on.

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theimdude

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Kind of expected this, but bought it anyway before the price went up.

It could have been used sanely, you know, and been a cool thing to have in your arsenal. But instead, everyone decided to rape and pillage W+ (in violation of their terms, as I recall) for quick cash.

And this is why we can't have nice things.

Meanwhile, I'm out $13, and oh well. Never even unzipped it. Life goes on.

Not sure if it is true that people abuse it as that is what the plugin was suppose to do. I had it set to send out 10 requests every hour and affiliates approved without any issues.

What I would like to know is that if this was in violation of warriorplus how was this WSO approved in the first place as the WSO have a detailed video on how the plugin work

I looked on warriorplus and can't seem to find a TOS and would like to know how are you suppose to promote WSO product.

Are we allowed to promote WSO products other places than on the forum?

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rajivkumar900

14 years ago

Thank you so much to share this after this post i notice this happen with me as well but differently someone bought my product from yahoo affiliate id. .Didiresult systsm.
Then without any diapute fund reverse in his own account. It was a single transaction that is why i havent noticed it as i have seen this post i checked my digiresult acount and found its true since few days i have approved affiliate madely..i cant locate where i can reject approved affiliate and filter these scammers Affiliates?

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by rajivkumar900

Thank you so much to share this after this post i notice this happen with me as well but differently someone bought my product from yahoo affiliate id. .Didiresult systsm.
Then without any diapute fund reverse in his own account. It was a single transaction that is why i havent noticed it as i have seen this post i checked my digiresult acount and found its true since few days i have approved affiliate madely..i cant locate where i can reject approved affiliate and filter these scammers Affiliates?

Yeah I need to find where you can edit your affiliate list to so I can reject the two that I approved prior to noticing.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by theimdude

Not sure if it is true that people abuse it as that is what the plugin was suppose to do. I had it set to send out 10 requests every hour and affiliates approved without any issues.

You were requesting 240 affiliate links a day.

Essentially at random.

I don't think that's right. I think two or three a day is about the limits of reason, and your plugin could have been set to those levels. But Carson advised 10 requests twice an hour, which is abusive.

And you were not evaluating ANY of those products to make sure they were right for your audience before bothering the vendor, let alone before shoving them on a blog.

What I would like to know is that if this was in violation of warriorplus how was this WSO approved in the first place as the WSO have a detailed video on how the plugin work

Warrior Forum and Warrior Plus are not affiliated. The Warrior Plus terms of service forbid access by high-volume automated services, as I recall.

Are we allowed to promote WSO products other places than on the forum?

You're not allowed to promote to the general public, is my understanding. If you're on a paid forum, you can promote there. If you have a list, you can promote there. But you can't just put a link to your WSO on your website.

I could be wrong. I have a problem with a lot of the policies on WSOs, and people have been telling me for the past year or so that if I don't like them I don't have to run any, so I've taken them up on it.

I think the WSO forum is about to get stomped hard by a lot of people. I think we've had so many slimy promoters and slimy products lately, people are starting to know who we are and consider us a bunch of liars, cheats, and scammers.

That's not fair... the overwhelming majority of both WSO vendors and WSO affiliates are good, honest, hardworking people selling good, honest, quality products... but since they're each launching and promoting two or three things a day, and PEOPLE LIKE YOU are doing HUNDREDS, their activity makes up a tiny minority of the total activity.

Don't worry; I'll still buy WSOs, and I may even promote a few here and there, but I don't think I'll be running any more of them.

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Richard Van

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Don't worry; I'll still buy WSOs, and I may even promote a few here and there, but I don't think I'll be running any more of them.

Caliban,

Purely out of interest and unconnected to this thread but do you promote a lot of your stuff primarily on sites outside the forum?

I ask because I've bought one or two of your WSO's which were very good indeed, as I suspect all your products are because you have the right attitude towards customers (apart from when you get your winkle out on live chat but that's another matter

).

My point being I was considering in the next year or so, creating a WSO but if a guy as bright as you thinks it's no good anymore, then I'd probably be better off just sticking to the niches outside IM. I was thinking of it because of the sheer level of people here that need help with things but now I'm not so sure I'll bother.

Do you think it's worthwhile or will you sit back and see how things pan out and hope all the s*** products out there just die a death?

This thread has put me off a mile to be honest but for all those selling crap reading this, they'll probably be happy because whatever I release will be a cut above some of the poo products available now.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Purely out of interest and unconnected to this thread but do you promote a lot of your stuff primarily on sites outside the forum?

Not to date. I've pulled it all down and am moving it all offsite, but WSOs were in fact 100% of my income.

Do you think it's worthwhile or will you sit back and see how things pan out and hope all the s*** products out there just die a death?

I'm concerned about damaging my reputation by continuing to run WSOs.

It's kind of an arrogant thing, really, but I'm targeting a breakthrough into the ranks of the gurus. And once I get there, I'd really like to be able to say I stopped running WSOs before they turned into a pile of rotting garbage in the year 201x.

The overwhelming majority of people are never going to have to worry about that, so I wouldn't necessarily say they shouldn't run a WSO. I think the WSO forum is still a great place full of great vendors and great products, I just think there are a lot of crap affiliates doing crap mailings. I'd be very careful who I approved as an affiliate.

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kindsvater

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I'm concerned about damaging my reputation by continuing to run WSOs.

It's kind of an arrogant thing, really, but I'm targeting a breakthrough into the ranks of the gurus. And once I get there, I'd really like to be able to say I stopped running WSOs before they turned into a pile of rotting garbage in the year 201x.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

If there is an army of affiliates promoting your wso to anyone and everyone - what happened to it being a special deal not available to the general public?

Why don't you PM your thoughts to Allen?

Keep in mind there is the WSO section and there is a separate Warrior Plus service Mike Lantz offers.

If you have a WSO that is a special deal, it is still a special deal even though affiliates are promoting it. The difference is you see the affiliate recommendations off-forum.

Although Warrior Plus is popular for its great features and ease of use in running an affiliate program, it is not the only possible mechanism. I'm not sure why any affiliate script/service could not be used in conjunction with a WSO.

The reputation issue is different. Given the financial requirements to post: the War Room membership and the WSO fee, plus bumping fees - which arguably are the highest on the net per my research - this does act as a buffer against a flood of cheap, scammy, offers of little value.

Obviously not perfect. But it is a buffer.

Interestingly, I do see your posts above as being related. Here's why ...

I did an informal survey a few weeks ago of hundreds of WSO offers.

The overall price of non-free offers using Warrior Plus was substantially less than offers not using Warrior Plus.

Combine that with the opportunity for an affiliate program - and from what I have seen many offers have high commission payments. Such as 75 percent.

My impression is that many are using Warrior Plus to try and attract volume traffic to their offers at the expense of pricing and per sale revenue.

Volume from being listed as WSO of the Day and/or affiliates and/or low pricing.

The result is what you may be perceiving as deals not being "special" or a "rotting pile of garbage."

Maybe you disagree or have a better analysis. But I was very surprised at the overall price differential I found.

Finally, I discovered many Warriors, including some popular names who are members but do not post a lot, are using Warrior Plus to send affiliate offers to their lists or to post on their websites, but they are not buying the product. Admittedly, the reputation I had of some has taken a hit while exploring these issues. They're pimping without reviewing, and that might affect the overall perception of what is being offered in the forum.

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

My impression is that many are using Warrior Plus to try and attract volume traffic to their offers at the expense of pricing and per sale revenue.

Volume from being listed as WSO of the Day and/or affiliates and/or low pricing.

The result is what you may be perceiving as deals not being "special" or a "rotting pile of garbage."

Maybe you disagree or have a better analysis. But I was very surprised at the overall price differential I found.

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I think you're correct. I've even seen people asking who they need to speak to in order to get the WSO of the day ensured.

It's become a marketplace that is attracting WSO's for the sake of WSO's - and looking for ways to game the area and the WP system.

So rather than thinking "hey all that research I just did for myself would be useful to others, I think I'll offer it as a WSO", they're thinking "what could I put together to sell as a WSO and how do I get the WP system to recommend it and attract affiliates?"

I used to buy a lot of WSOs and the people I bought from would always go up in my estimation as I was wow'd by the quality of their products - nowadays I buy wso's more out of curiosity and usually get disappointed and just feel like I should write it off as a lesson learned.

I'm not sure when/how it happened but it definitely feels like the Special has gone from Warrior Special Offer.

Maybe it's just me, because I also don't like getting emails promoting WSOs from people who I bought a completely different one from in the past just because they're treating me as a 'list' to be sold to rather than someone who signed up for updates of the product I bought.

I'm not sure if there's a good answer/solution and I understand the logic for not making certain changes so it may be just the nature of things.

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Brenden Clerget

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

I think you're correct. I've even seen people asking who they need to speak to in order to get the WSO of the day ensured.

It's become a marketplace that is attracting WSO's for the sake of WSO's - and looking for ways to game the area and the WP system.

So rather than thinking "hey all that research I just did for myself would be useful to others, I think I'll offer it as a WSO", they're thinking "what could I put together to sell as a WSO and how do I get the WP system to recommend it and attract affiliates?"

I used to buy a lot of WSOs and the people I bought from would always go up in my estimation as I was wow'd by the quality of their products - nowadays I buy wso's more out of curiosity and usually get disappointed and just feel like I should write it off as a lesson learned.

I'm not sure when/how it happened but it definitely feels like the Special has gone from Warrior Special Offer.

Maybe it's just me, because I also don't like getting emails promoting WSOs from people who I bought a completely different one from in the past just because they're treating me as a 'list' to be sold to rather than someone who signed up for updates of the product I bought.

I'm not sure if there's a good answer/solution and I understand the logic for not making certain changes so it may be just the nature of things.

I can agree with some of the points you're making, but I don't see anything wrong with letting your list know about an offer that you think is worthwhile.

I often do that if I purchase an offer, and yes I include an affiliate link, but only to offers I've seen through, been given to review, or purchased myself, and my list is notified that this might happen before it happens.

Sure, there are people that create WSOs just to create WSOs, but that's a whole different beast. Those people rarely make friends with affiliates, rarely make lots of sales, and rarely flourish.

It's easy to tell a good WSO from a bad one, especially when you go through the content, especially when the content is put to the test. I think that's part of the reason Mike has included refund rates on W+ now. Hey, if people come up with an idea, concept, or build a product around an already existing system they have in place and say "Hey I'm going to sell that idea to the internet masses, because it worked really well with me" and then think "Before I sell it, I should sell it for a lot cheaper to the Warrior Forum to get feedback and offer a great deal to other Warriors" then I don't see the problem with that.

If you buy a thousand eggs, some will get home broken, and you'll probably throw them away... but it doesn't mean the other 950 aren't good just because some were broken.

I can see the points that CD made up above, but once again, I think the bad sellers and crap offers will weed themselves out with time.

Or maybe Allen just needs to charge even MORE for a WSO post...

Anyway - i'm getting off topic.

On the digiresults topic: That's crazy, and I really hope nobody gets hit like that. What a pain.

I get tons of random affiliate requests from people on WarriorPlus, perhaps this is a reason to start denying them if they're trying to game the system somehow. I have a feeling bots are requesting all the offers, for what reason, I don't know. I don't think you can cookie stuff the W+ system, so we shall find out.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Maybe you disagree or have a better analysis. But I was very surprised at the overall price differential I found.

$5-$10 with 100% commission converts like a motherhumper and attracts an army of affiliates overnight, so you get a huge list in no time at all.

Note that the quality of the product is unimportant. Because it's 100% commission, affiliates are responsible for all refunds. And because the people on your list feel like they bought from the referring affiliate, not from you, that refund doesn't overly reflect on you.

So you can theoretically release a complete piece of garbage, get a big list, and then just say "I sure am sick of jackhole promotions selling complete garbage like that thing you just bought" - which makes you look BRILLIANT because OMFG he's right, I just bought garbage EXACTLY LIKE THAT!

Efficiency and progress is ours once more, now that we have WSO Pro. It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done.

Except...

Efficiency is bad for people you care about.

I've been saying this for the past two years in here: whenever you start bitching about people leaving money on the table, I can't help but think that we're actually leaving money in our customers' pockets, and that the customers probably kind of like that.

Extracting the most money you can from every customer you can in the shortest possible time with the least possible work on the smallest possible product... really? Really? This is how you're building your business?

Deja freakin' vu, man. Love the way you churn and burn. Seems... familiar...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

$5-$10 with 100% commission converts like a motherhumper and attracts an army of affiliates overnight, so you get a huge list in no time at all.

Note that the quality of the product is unimportant.

I had noticed. I have also noticed a result is my email address getting spammed to death. More than a little frustrated about that.

Naturally, the quality of the emails are abysmal. The increase in junk emails using WP to promote WSOs is very noticeable.

If the purchase is with PayPal you've just forked over your PayPal address and it can be real hard to avoid the subsequent spam that comes in.

What I have been forced to do is stop buying with my PayPal funds. Instead, I will buy with a credit card through PayPal, using a one-time only email address forwarder set up on my domain with a redirect to my real email address, so I can simply delete the forwarder to stop any spam sent to that email address.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

Naturally, the quality of the emails are abysmal. The increase in junk emails using WP to promote WSOs is very noticeable.

Dare I suggest that you are opting-in to receive email from the wrong marketers.

The quality of my emails are usually pretty high.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Originally Posted by tpw

Dare I suggest that you are opting-in to receive email from the wrong marketers.

The quality of my emails are usually pretty high.

Not really - I would hazard a guess that he gets these offers from people like myself, who normally doesn't send them out.

I can imagine it's frustrating to end up getting a bunch of duplicate emails on things he's not the least bit interested in.

Sorry for the misunderstanding Mike. I was meaning to be tongue-in-cheek.

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RichardWing

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Caliban,

Purely out of interest and unconnected to this thread but do you promote a lot of your stuff primarily on sites outside the forum?

I ask because I've bought one or two of your WSO's which were very good indeed, as I suspect all your products are because you have the right attitude towards customers (apart from when you get your winkle out on live chat but that's another matter

).

My point being I was considering in the next year or so, creating a WSO but if a guy as bright as you thinks it's no good anymore, then I'd probably be better off just sticking to the niches outside IM. I was thinking of it because of the sheer level of people here that need help with things but now I'm not so sure I'll bother.

Do you think it's worthwhile or will you sit back and see how things pan out and hope all the s*** products out there just die a death?

This thread has put me off a mile to be honest but for all those selling crap reading this, they'll probably be happy because whatever I release will be a cut above some of the poo products available now.

You need to continue with your plans. There are no fortune tellers here that you need to follow their advice.

Put together a nice offer on a product that will solve peoples problems and it will sell despite what you are getting through this thread.

As far as how one affiliate chooses to promote over another. just because I choose to request 40 hoplinks and another chooses to request 3 hoplinks doesn't mean that the guy wanting the 40 doesn't have a valid reason or way to promote those products.

If all I chose to do was manually take a wso title and a 2 sentence description and place my hoplink within the post and I did that for every wso thats out there and I was able to get traffic to my blog and redirect them to the wso. I have just as much right to benefit as an affiliate as the guy that sends out his hoplink to his list to get people to a wso.

Warriors who run wsos are happy to have affiliates.

I was the very first warrior to ever run a "Instant Commission" affiliate opportunity for promoting a WSO and I used RAP. Way before W+ affiliate system was around.

Don't let a small number of opinionated speculative warriors discourage you from listing your ouwn wso.

The people that are crying are crying because they are lazy and want all the work done for them. They want the moderators to know if an offer is good or not so they don't have to take the time and ask for a refund if it turns out the product was bad or didnt live up to their expectations.

People need to quit whining and just do your own due diligence and investigate the product.

Warrior forum is just a advertising vehicle for a sale.

Be smart and understand this and understand what you are buying when you make a purchase. If its not what you expected then simply ask for a refund and move on.

The sky isn't falling as some here would have you believe.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

You were requesting 240 affiliate links a day.

Essentially at random.

I don't think that's right. I think two or three a day is about the limits of reason, and your plugin could have been set to those levels. But Carson advised 10 requests twice an hour, which is abusive.

Not sure how that can be abusive and as I can recall you purchased the same plugin so you had the same intentions as me to setup a WSO autoblog and I suggested to the owner to make it to set @ 10 per day
I had mine set to 10 a hour but not good as they were just dissapearing from my first page so yes 5- 10 a day would be ideal

And you were not evaluating ANY of those products to make sure they were right for your audience before bothering the vendor, let alone before shoving them on a blog.

Yes I should have as the blog ended up with a lot of rubbish but my audience is IM so all WSO's posted would have been to a targeted market

The Warrior Plus terms of service forbid access by high-volume automated services, as I recall.

Can you please guide me to these terms as I cannot find it [not trying to be funny as I want to promote WSO's but I cannot find the conditions and not getting any responce from the warriorplus helpdesk]

You're not allowed to promote to the general public, is my understanding. If you're on a paid forum, you can promote there. If you have a list, you can promote there. But you can't just put a link to your WSO on your website.

Then this opened a can of worms as there is hundred's of websites out there promoting WSO's. One warrior here even have a facebook fan page pulling the latest WSO's with affilliate links in.

There is another WSO currently on sale for a iphone app that alerts you of the latest WSO and the sellers affiliate code (not yours his) is in the alerts that is read on your iphone [how cool is that]

I think the WSO forum is about to get stomped hard by a lot of people. I think we've had so many slimy promoters and slimy products lately, people are starting to know who we are and consider us a bunch of liars, cheats, and scammers.

I reported 2 WSO I got that is teaching warrior to scam in the last week

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by theimdude

Not sure how that can be abusive

Multiply your 200 requests a day by the number of plugins sold, then by the average number of installations made per customer.

The one email a day one spammer sent me doesn't bother me. The 800 more sent by other spammers do. But each and every individual spam email is just an email.

and as I can recall you purchased the same plugin so you had the same intentions as me to setup a WSO autoblog

Notice where I said more than two or three a day was pushing it? I meant that. I had no intention of setting any blog to request large numbers of affiliate links, and since I could smell the controversy on the wind - I wasn't even going to set it up for at least a month, which I figured would be enough time for the crapstorm to die out and any updates to be shipped and Mike Lantz to stomp on it if it needed to be stomped.

Well, STOMP, so oh well.

Can you please guide me to these terms as I cannot find it

As I recall, they're displayed during registration and you have to check the box and agree. Not sure how to get to them any other way.
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14 years ago

Hi CD,

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I think the WSO forum is about to get stomped hard by a lot of people. I think we've had so many slimy promoters and slimy products lately, people are starting to know who we are and consider us a bunch of liars, cheats, and scammers.

That's not fair...

Agreed.

As I said in another thread, there's also a trend developing of offering coaching WSOs for newbies to get them started as IMers. There are various methods used revolving around refund policy and other things that compel these newbs to present themselves as IMers and build a list via releasing products on the WSO forum.

The end results are various. The obvious one is that there are tons of WSOs from people who barely have any experience or clue what they are doing, presenting themselves as IMers who can teach others. Often, the plan involves multiple WSOs and bumps and sometimes they are required to do this as part of the 'deal'. As more and more people jump on this 'coaching' bandwagon, the effect on the WSO forum compounds. It's worth mentioning that regardless of my points here, I'm pleased to see Allen and the forum in general making good coin. But I've also noticed less of the experienced people using main discussion (the only place I really hang out here) and the quality of posts appear to have hit rock bottom, in my opinion.

It's kind of amusing when the original coach sends out an email saying, 'there's this great product I'm promoting', when in fact it is one of their mentorees and part of the coaching deal is that they guarantee to do a mailing to their list for them as part of the deal. Of course, these earn an unsubscribe and end up on my 'do not trust' list.

I'm like Richard Van, I'd actually like to do some WSOs as I've never done one and I've been in this business full time for nearly a decade. But I'm not sure that I want the association as things stand right now.

The WSOs I've bought recently were misleading, usually revolving around some enticing, but misleading bullet points, so consequently I'm not planning on buying any more. It's difficult when you've been around a while because you learn to expect that a lot of the information will not be new, therefore you will have to skim through looking for nuggets. But when the expected nuggets turn out to be BS designed to fool newbies and the product was dressed up to be useful to someone with experience, the end result is that you get absolutely nothing at all from the product except wasted time and disappointment.

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

It's kind of amusing when the original coach sends out an email saying, 'there's this great product I'm promoting', when in fact it is one of their mentorees and part of the coaching deal is that they guarantee to do a mailing to their list for them as part of the deal. Of course, these earn an unsubscribe and end up on my 'do not trust' list.

This is (as I'm sure you know) quite a normal part of some particular people's IM business model.

I've been disappointed to see some people I used to respect getting sucked in to this type of arrangement. They think they're stepping up their game and getting into the 'big leagues' and then realise that they only profit by becoming part of a mutual promotion group and because other people promoted their stuff and made them money - they end up having to do way more promotions than they're comfortable with and for a lot of products they would never normally promote.

It's a bit of a trap - but then again, like most things in life - the system sucks in people with a high greed level. Like some of the cons that let people 'overhear' a bargain so that if they're greedy and unscrupulous they'll run off to grab it before the person they heard gets there. Needless to say it's never a bargain and they get suckered - but it can only happen if you're greedy and willing to shaft someone else to make some cash.

With all the hype and fluffed-up sales figures some people have unrealistic expectations and end up selling themselves short in order to shortcut the process of growing their business.

The WF is still a great place but it is getting harder to sift through the noise.

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14 years ago

Hi Andy,

They think they're stepping up their game and getting into the 'big leagues' and then realise that they only profit by becoming part of a mutual promotion group and because other people promoted their stuff and made them money - they end up having to do way more promotions than they're comfortable with and for a lot of products they would never normally promote.

I totally agree with your points (not just the quoted ones), but more than ever I am sensing that these issues are once again providing a great opportunity to differentiate from the crowd and this time I intend to do something about it.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Kind of expected this, but bought it anyway before the price went up.

It could have been used sanely, you know, and been a cool thing to have in your arsenal. But instead, everyone decided to rape and pillage W+ (in violation of their terms, as I recall) for quick cash.

And this is why we can't have nice things.

Meanwhile, I'm out $13, and oh well. Never even unzipped it. Life goes on.

You are not out $13. He offered to give a refund and gave instructions on claiming it. Also you can simply ask for a refund in paypal off the transaction details screen and you will also get your money back.

It's well within the paypal refund period.

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CDarklock 13 years ago

Originally Posted by RichardWing

You are not out $13. He offered to give a refund and gave instructions on claiming it.

Refunds aren't in my vocabulary.

Instead of demanding our money back, I think we should all be accountable for our own decisions.

If I bought your product, I was perfectly aware of any risks involved in buying it, and I thoroughly accepted all of those risks.

If it turns out I can't use your product, or don't get what I wanted from it, or just plain don't like it... then oh well.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by theimdude

I don't think it was intended to use other peoples post for their own purpose. I was much like setting up a blog and pulling UAW article and if somebody click on the link you will get commission

I have send a ticket to warriorplus as it is used via there affiliate system but have not heard from them if it is ok.

I have in the meantime redirected my blog with the post to another website of mine until this is cleared

please pm to website contact information. thanks.

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by theimdude

Hi,

Not a scam but a new plugin that build a autoblog on wordpress using the Warriorplus system

I purchased last night and populated a new site with +- 400 WSO's in 1 day

I questioned the supplier of the WSO and it is pending approval

Here is the WSO

What does this have to do with this post?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChristopherTheron

The odd thing is that I've been flooded with unknown warrior plus affiliate requests since last night. Very odd. Each user who has requested approval seems to be asking a ton of other warriors as well.

I would be careful they are probably targeting here to.

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Newbie11

14 years ago

Thank you for the heads up. I will probably just deny anyone from yahoo just to be on the safe side.

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pmbrent 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Newbie11

Thank you for the heads up. I will probably just deny anyone from yahoo just to be on the safe side.

It wouldn't be a bad idea...
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globalpro

14 years ago

Forgetting the fact that your post violates Rule #1 of the forum, have you actually contacted Andy and team about this?

I am sure he would like to be aware of this problem.

Also, this...

The purpose of this is to notify you guys of a scam that is being employed through Digiresults.

makes it sound like DigiResults is complicit. Not good at all.

Thanks,

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Robert M Gouge

14 years ago

Originally Posted by globalpro

Forgetting the fact that your post violates Rule #1 of the forum, have you actually contacted Andy and team about this?

I am sure he would like to be aware of this problem.

Also, this...

makes it sound like DigiResults is complicit. Not good at all.

Thanks,

John

I agree with this. Andy and his group have went above and beyond for me so far. Your title is misleading and what GlobalPro said.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by globalpro

Forgetting the fact that your post violates Rule #1 of the forum, have you actually contacted Andy and team about this?

I am sure he would like to be aware of this problem.

Also, this...

The purpose of this is to notify you guys of a scam that is being employed through Digiresults.

makes it sound like DigiResults is complicit. Not good at all.

Thanks,

John

I am glad to see that someone else recognized this before I did!!!

A better subject would be, "Scammers Utilizing a Product Offered through Digiresults to defraud WSO vendors"

I have notified the helpdesk of a need to change the title of this thread.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I am glad to see that someone else recognized this before I did!!!

A better subject would be, "Scammers Utilizing a Product Offered through Digiresults to defraud WSO vendors"

I have notified the helpdesk of a need to change the title of this thread.

The key was "through" Digiresults, nowhere did I say they haven't done anything about because they actually have they've frzoen the accounts of those particular people. I'm not trying to discredit Digiresults just notify people of something that's going on through the site. That would not be a better title because it had nothing to do with "WSO vendors."

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pmbrent 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Maybe not right on the WSO vendors, but your original post title suggested that DigiResults IS the scam.

Not cool at all !!!

I undestand and changed the title to accomodate those who may misinterpret.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by pmbrent

The key was "through" Digiresults, nowhere did I say they haven't done anything about because they actually have they've frzoen the accounts of those particular people. I'm not trying to discredit Digiresults just notify people of something that's going on through the site. That would not be a better title because it had nothing to do with "WSO vendors."

Originally Posted by carsonrathi

That is the reason this plugin is created, just to help all WSO affiliates. Same kind of tplugin is being used by Clickbank so i though why not put it for warriorplus.

It would appear that the plugin did primarily affect WSO vendors after all.

Just sayin...

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by globalpro

Forgetting the fact that your post violates Rule #1 of the forum, have you actually contacted Andy and team about this?

I am sure he would like to be aware of this problem.

Also, this...

makes it sound like DigiResults is complicit. Not good at all.

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John

Yes they have been notified and actions have been taken, nowhere did I say that they haven't done anything about it. The keyword is "through" meaning done on that particular website. As Christopher shared he was attacked as well so it's an apparent problem that "everyone" should know about.

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celente

14 years ago

Originally Posted by pmbrent

The purpose of this is to notify you guys of a scam that is being employed through Digiresults. If you utilize them as your affiliate program you need to read this. I know about this because I was attacked just yesterday.

Someone tried to implement a pretty elbaborate scam that I "partially" fell victim to. All of sudden I received an unusual amount of affiliate request, I approved the first two because I figured they were normal but shortly after 4 more or so came in. What caused this to alarm me was all of the email addresses were from yahoo and their affiliate ID's were all sequential. (i.e 6232,6233,6235, etc)

Later on the day was when I truly realized that it was an attack, they had someone purchase a product through their affiliate ID and almost immediately disputed the charge through Paypal. So the money that was paid was on hold but since I had money in my paypal account they still got a commission from the sale. As a result, I did the same thing they did and disputed the commission and got my money back. It continued today with another flood of affiliate request, needless to say I rejected all those request.

I just wanted to notify you guys and be cautious if you get a quick flood of affiliate request. Check the email addresses and see if the ID's are sequential, if they are reject them immediately and notify Digiresults.

Hmmm this is not good, are you the same guyy that posted about this a week ago. Thanks for the post though.

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pmbrent 14 years ago

Originally Posted by celente

Hmmm this is not good, are you the same guyy that posted about this a week ago. Thanks for the post though.

No I'm not this just happened to me, if someone else posted about it then it's apparently a growing concern.
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KohenD

14 years ago

Its just sad to be honest.

So you just have to be careful about your affiliates. That is pretty much all you can do.

To date there is no viable solution to this issue. Only other thing you could do is delay the payments and pay out after a certain period of time but that would really just lower number of affiliates.

Worst thing about this is that it can really compromise ones paypal like that.

Paypal might think, you are a security threat to them and providing crap to customers.

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by KohenD

Its just sad to be honest.

So you just have to be careful about your affiliates. That is pretty much all you can do.

To date there is no viable solution to this issue. Only other thing you could do is delay the payments and pay out after a certain period of time but that would really just lower number of affiliates.

Worst thing about this is that it can really compromise ones paypal like that.

Paypal might think, you are a security threat to them and providing crap to customers.

Yeah I totally agree...

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Andy Fletcher

14 years ago

Thanks for the public service announcement guys.

I appreciate everyone's support in the thread so here's a quick update to what's going on.

So someone decided it would be a good idea to create a WSO autoblog system. It wasn't.

We never approved anyone automating sign up and registration to affiliate programs on DigiResults and I'll bet good money Mike Lantz didn't either for WSO Pro.

The reason DigiResults doesn't provide a reject button after you have approved people is to protect the affiliate. A vendor shouldn't be able to turn commissions off part way through a promo. That way affiliates can feel that much more confident promoting on our network.

If you have approved any of these accounts please contact support@digiresults.com and we'll help you clear it up.

There shouldn't be any need to though since we've network wide banned all these rubbish accounts.

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billspaced

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

Thanks for the public service announcement guys.

I appreciate everyone's support in the thread so here's a quick update to what's going on.

So someone decided it would be a good idea to create a WSO autoblog system. It wasn't.

We never approved anyone automating sign up and registration to affiliate programs on DigiResults and I'll bet good money Mike Lantz didn't either for WSO Pro.

The reason DigiResults doesn't provide a reject button after you have approved people is to protect the affiliate. A vendor shouldn't be able to turn commissions off part way through a promo. That way affiliates can feel that much more confident promoting on our network.

If you have approved any of these accounts please contact support@digiresults.com and we'll help you clear it up.

There shouldn't be any need to though since we've network wide banned all these rubbish accounts.

Cheers,

Andy

Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but it seems as if this thread has TWO subjects:

Digiresults and unscrupulous "affiliates."
Some WSO that could be used to exploit a vendor/affiliate relationship.

I'm concerned, personally, by the first.

I, too, have experienced what the original poster experienced. A couple of months ago, I was contacted a number of times by potential "affiliates," all of whom I approved.

I mean, why wouldn't I? I know, stupid assumption and question. Some systems, like RAP (which I've used), allow anyone to become an affiliate, with NO approval. So I thought it was safe. Obviously not.

So I approved a handful of affiliates. Then the orders came in. And then PayPal put holds on funds. Then they reversed the transactions (not sure if that's the correct term). In all the cases, the "customer" had claimed that they had not purchased the item.

Just recently, I got another handful of requests. I approved them, too. (Yeah, I know. Stupid me.)

Same thing. I'm currently looking at 3 sales that are in dispute.

Now, if I had sold 100 or 1000 of these products, 3 disputes wouldn't be horrible. But all 3 sales recently made are in dispute. 100%.

This sucks.

Now, I will say that this is not digiresults' fault. How could it be? But there are some shady characters abusing their system and the system needs to be better about handling these issues. Meaning, of course, that we should be able to disapprove of an affiliate (or at least report them through something other than an email that can take more than 24 hours to respond) when that affiliate is suspected of some sort of fraudulent activity.

It would be difficult, I think, to prove that the affiliate had anything to do with the disputed transactions, other than that the "buyer" had bought through his affiliate link.

So how do we, as just people who want to sell products, deal with this?

I'm in fear, especially with all the recent chatter about PayPal banning/deactivating/holding accounts and funds, that my PayPal account is in jeopardy.

I don't mean to suggest--at all--that this is a digiresults issue. The same could happen with any system that has an affiliate system built in. But it is happening at digiresults and I'd like to be reassured that something is being done there.

Otherwise, I really have 3 choices:

Disapprove (or simply ignore) affiliate requests (kind of counter-productive because this is WHY I use digiresults)
I could personally contact each affiliate asking for approval, but that could get daunting and still isn't anywhere near perfect
I can just leave the system

What say you, Alex?

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pmbrent

13 years ago

Originally Posted by billspaced

Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but it seems as if this thread has TWO subjects:

Digiresults and unscrupulous "affiliates."
Some WSO that could be used to exploit a vendor/affiliate relationship.

I'm concerned, personally, by the first.

I, too, have experienced what the original poster experienced. A couple of months ago, I was contacted a number of times by potential "affiliates," all of whom I approved.

I mean, why wouldn't I? I know, stupid assumption and question. Some systems, like RAP (which I've used), allow anyone to become an affiliate, with NO approval. So I thought it was safe. Obviously not.

So I approved a handful of affiliates. Then the orders came in. And then PayPal put holds on funds. Then they reversed the transactions (not sure if that's the correct term). In all the cases, the "customer" had claimed that they had not purchased the item.

Just recently, I got another handful of requests. I approved them, too. (Yeah, I know. Stupid me.)

Same thing. I'm currently looking at 3 sales that are in dispute.

Now, if I had sold 100 or 1000 of these products, 3 disputes wouldn't be horrible. But all 3 sales recently made are in dispute. 100%.

This sucks.

Now, I will say that this is not digiresults' fault. How could it be? But there are some shady characters abusing their system and the system needs to be better about handling these issues. Meaning, of course, that we should be able to disapprove of an affiliate (or at least report them through something other than an email that can take more than 24 hours to respond) when that affiliate is suspected of some sort of fraudulent activity.

It would be difficult, I think, to prove that the affiliate had anything to do with the disputed transactions, other than that the "buyer" had bought through his affiliate link.

So how do we, as just people who want to sell products, deal with this?

I'm in fear, especially with all the recent chatter about PayPal banning/deactivating/holding accounts and funds, that my PayPal account is in jeopardy.

I don't mean to suggest--at all--that this is a digiresults issue. The same could happen with any system that has an affiliate system built in. But it is happening at digiresults and I'd like to be reassured that something is being done there.

Otherwise, I really have 3 choices:

Disapprove (or simply ignore) affiliate requests (kind of counter-productive because this is WHY I use digiresults)
I could personally contact each affiliate asking for approval, but that could get daunting and still isn't anywhere near perfect
I can just leave the system

What say you, Alex?

It's crazy because I recently got another flood of request and I'm the same boat as you I don't know who to approve or who to deny. I've contacted some of the affiliates who appliead with no avail. It's definetely a tough position to be in because as you stated paypal will think you're running a shady business if you keep getting refund request and subsequently freeze your account. So what are we supposed to do?

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14 years ago

Hey Guys,

All those requests are not because of digiresults.com it was sent as buyers were using a plugin from my WSO (which has been closed by now).

I am in contact to Mike, to see if any kind of alteration to plugin could let all members use it. However in case if it is completely rejected by Mike, then i will straight away refund all present buyers.

I apologize for inconvenience this may have caused.

I have created a system which is mutually benefiting all WSO sellers and affiliates. However my mistake is that i should have shown it to Mike or Allen before launching it publicly.

Anyways, i owe all buyers full refund and that would not be a problem in any case. Also, all buyers will get email explaining the whole situation and then refund will be started in evening (its morning at my side).

My intentions was to create a simple system using which WSO affiliates can promote the different WSO's using Google adwords and other traffic systems which is not possible right now.

Again, i am really sorry to all the WSO sellers who are suffered in anyways by my plugin.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by carsonrathi

Hey Guys,

All those requests are not because of digiresults.com it was sent as buyers were using a plugin from my WSO (which has been closed by now).

I am in contact to Mike, to see if any kind of alteration to plugin could let all members use it. However in case if it is completely rejected by Mike, then i will straight away refund all present buyers.

I apologize for inconvenience this may have caused.

I have created a system which is mutually benefiting all WSO sellers and affiliates. However my mistake is that i should have shown it to Mike or Allen before launching it publicly.

Anyways, i owe all buyers full refund and that would not be a problem in any case. Also, all buyers will get email explaining the whole situation and then refund will be started in evening (its morning at my side).

My intentions was to create a simple system using which WSO affiliates can promote the different WSO's using Google adwords and other traffic systems which is not possible right now.

Again, i am really sorry to all the WSO sellers who are suffered in anyways by my plugin.

Regards,
Carson

Hi Carson,

I send you a PM. I would be nice if this plugin is approved as in 2 days traffic to a new domain increased from 2 visitors a day to before I redirected the site to 75 visitors on the 2nd day

In the second day a lot of the WSO's posted on my site showed hops between 6-19 a day so this will be beneficial for WSO sales and affiliates alike.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by theimdude

Hi Carson,

I send you a PM. I would be nice if this plugin is approved as in 2 days traffic to a new domain increased from 2 visitors a day to before I redirected the site to 75 visitors on the 2nd day

In the second day a lot of the WSO's posted on my site showed hops between 6-19 a day so this will be beneficial for WSO sales and affiliates alike.

Hi,

That is the reason this plugin is created, just to help all WSO affiliates. Same kind of tplugin is being used by Clickbank so i though why not put it for warriorplus.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by carsonrathi

Hey Guys,

All those requests are not because of digiresults.com it was sent as buyers were using a plugin from my WSO (which has been closed by now).

I am in contact to Mike, to see if any kind of alteration to plugin could let all members use it. However in case if it is completely rejected by Mike, then i will straight away refund all present buyers.

I apologize for inconvenience this may have caused.

I have created a system which is mutually benefiting all WSO sellers and affiliates. However my mistake is that i should have shown it to Mike or Allen before launching it publicly.

Anyways, i owe all buyers full refund and that would not be a problem in any case. Also, all buyers will get email explaining the whole situation and then refund will be started in evening (its morning at my side).

My intentions was to create a simple system using which WSO affiliates can promote the different WSO's using Google adwords and other traffic systems which is not possible right now.

Again, i am really sorry to all the WSO sellers who are suffered in anyways by my plugin.

Regards,
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I really liked your plug in. It is a very nice way for warrior plus affiliates to promote the wso they sell. I am not sure what the problem is. Just the attacks did not make any sense at all.

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Christophe Young

14 years ago

Thanks for the public service announcement guys.

I appreciate everyone's support in the thread so here's a quick update to what's going on.

So someone decided it would be a good idea to create a WSO autoblog system. It wasn't.

We never approved anyone automating sign up and registration to affiliate programs on DigiResults and I'll bet good money Mike Lantz didn't either for WSO Pro.

The reason DigiResults doesn't provide a reject button after you have approved people is to protect the affiliate. A vendor shouldn't be able to turn commissions off part way through a promo. That way affiliates can feel that much more confident promoting on our network.

If you have approved any of these accounts please contact support@digiresults.com and we'll help you clear it up.

There shouldn't be any need to though since we've network wide banned all these rubbish accounts.

Cheers,

Andy

Andy,

Thanks for the feedback, but just so I'm clear...

Are all these requests from legit affiliates who do intend to promote my products but have just used software to auto apply, or are these illegitimate affiliates who have no intention of promoting my products and are using auto apply software to try and get free products by purchasing through their aff id?

I am still not getting the connection between this WSO software and affiliates showing up on Digiresults.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Christophe Young

Andy,

Thanks for the feedback, but just so I'm clear...

Are all these requests from legit affiliates who do intend to promote my products but have just used software to auto apply, or are these illegitimate affiliates who have no intention of promoting my products and are using auto apply software to try and get free products by purchasing through their aff id?

I am still not getting the connection between this WSO software and affiliates showing up on Digiresults.

My understanding is that the software auto-applied to ALL offers in Warrior Plus and DigiResults to become affiliates.

Then the software ran ads for all of the affiliate offers in those two sites.

The scam part was those jackwad affiliate scammers who buy, get the affiliate commission, then cancel the transaction.

The plugin simply opened a number of product vendors up to a this breed of scammer.

I think the plugin might have survived if it did not auto-apply to every offer.

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

My understanding is that the software auto-applied to ALL offers in Warrior Plus and DigiResults to become affiliates.

Then the software ran ads for all of the affiliate offers in those two sites.

The scam part was those jackwad affiliate scammers who buy, get the affiliate commission, then cancel the transaction.

The plugin simply opened a number of product vendors up to a this breed of scammer.

I think the plugin might have survived if it did not auto-apply to every offer.

Thanks TPW for the clarification because I had no idea what was going on or how that WSO had anything to do with this post but now that you explained it makes sense and now it did open the door for affiliate scammers and now honest affiliates will be affected. Is there a way to decifer the scammers from the honest people?

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Andy Fletcher

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Christophe Young

Andy,

Thanks for the feedback, but just so I'm clear...

Are all these requests from legit affiliates who do intend to promote my products but have just used software to auto apply, or are these illegitimate affiliates who have no intention of promoting my products and are using auto apply software to try and get free products by purchasing through their aff id?

I am still not getting the connection between this WSO software and affiliates showing up on Digiresults.

There are people using the auto-apply nature of it to sign up for lots of accounts and attempt to scam people.

That is precisely why we have the approvals process in place. So you can talk to potential affiliates and get to know them.

Good affiliates will appreciate you getting in touch. Scammy ones will moan about it.

Your sales don't come from the long tail of people that never reply to your emails anyway, they come from the action takers who engage with you.

Take 2 minutes and get in touch with people before you approve them.

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Robert M Gouge

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

There are people using the auto-apply nature of it to sign up for lots of accounts and attempt to scam people.

That is precisely why we have the approvals process in place. So you can talk to potential affiliates and get to know them.

Good affiliates will appreciate you getting in touch. Scammy ones will moan about it.

Your sales don't come from the long tail of people that never reply to your emails anyway, they come from the action takers who engage with you.

Take 2 minutes and get in touch with people before you approve them.

Andy

I agree. I'm always happy to have direct contact of some kind with vendors of products I'm promoting/reviewing.

The same applies in the reverse as well, as an affiliate, if I can't get a vendor to give me the time of day (even when I'm already approved to be an affiliate for them) that's a vendor I'm not promoting and this lack of availability is ALWAYS going to be mentioned in a review.

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

There are people using the auto-apply nature of it to sign up for lots of accounts and attempt to scam people.

That is precisely why we have the approvals process in place. So you can talk to potential affiliates and get to know them.

Good affiliates will appreciate you getting in touch. Scammy ones will moan about it.

Your sales don't come from the long tail of people that never reply to your emails anyway, they come from the action takers who engage with you.

Take 2 minutes and get in touch with people before you approve them.

Andy

Thanks I will be more interactive with those who truthfully apply, unfortunately I declined like 10 people just because of what happened without contacting them. What insight can you provide about most of the applicants having sequential ID numbers?

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Christophe Young

14 years ago

Ok, so the bottom line is I shouldn't be rejecting all these new affiliates with Yahoo Emails right away... some of them might be legit. That's what I wanted to know.

I'm going to make more of an effort to contact affiliates now as I didn't know I could do that on Digiresults.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Christophe Young

Ok, so the bottom line is I shouldn't be rejecting all these new affiliates with Yahoo Emails right away... some of them might be legit. That's what I wanted to know.

I'm going to make more of an effort to contact affiliates now as I didn't know I could do that on Digiresults.

That's what I've gathered from all of this as well, and I will contact those affiliates who recently applied to judge their legitamacy as well.

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14 years ago

Guys,

I guess i need to clear it a bit again (as all affiliate requests were sent using my plugin) though this plugin is already closed however i think i should share it:

1) Scammer: I do not see any way how "scam" is related to the working of my plugin. Plugin simply send affiliate request, vendor have to decide it to approve or not (it's not automatic approval, vendor will select to approve or reject), once approved your WSO will be posted on sender's WPblog using the warriorplus as payment method (All sales, affiliate commissions are handled by warriorplus). There is no scope of scamming here. Also from my 2 days testing, 95% of my auto affiliate requests are approved without any question. Reason being, at the end of the day WSO sellers are "sellers" and the more affiliate you get brings in more probability of increase in sales.

So question is what is the point of posting WSO's on blogs?
As we know there are numerous product in WSO section which even converts @ 50% which is way way higher then clickbank or any other merchant. So, now the affiliate can use third party advertising system i.e Google adwords, facebook, PPV etc because in the "Display URL/Destination URL" he can put his own blog link.

Secondly, affiliates can use the link of there blog to show the offer rather then whole WSO thread.

Every request you approve as seller would post your WSO as a blog post on affiliate's blog and thus your WSO get better search engine presence.

As per a warrior above:

"There are people using the auto-apply nature of it to sign up for lots of accounts and attempt to scam people"

Scamming doesn't have to do anything with "auto apply", if scammer want to scam he can simply login to warriorplus, keep on clicking "request" for affiliate programs and then scam. If scammer want to scam,he can do it right on to the WSO itself. I mean this particular thing have nothing to do with scamming, it is a simply requester and poster of same data, as in WSO. So what ever can happen to WSO's can happen to the blogs.

"I think the plugin might have survived if it did not auto-apply to every offer."

I have actually contacted Mike Merz and offered him any and every alteration needed in plugin to make it compatible with WarriorPlus. Awaiting reply.

Finally a very reputed warrior recently done a truly unbiased review about the whole situation. Please have a look

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corsleymaxwell

14 years ago

Originally Posted by carsonrathi

Hi,

That is the reason this plugin is created, just to help all WSO affiliates. Same kind of tplugin is being used by Clickbank so i though why not put it for warriorplus.

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Originally Posted by carsonrathi

Guys,

I guess i need to clear it a bit again (as all affiliate requests were sent using my plugin) though this plugin is already closed however i think i should share it:

1) Scammer: I do not see any way how "scam" is related to the working of my plugin. Plugin simply send affiliate request, vendor have to decide it to approve or not (it's not automatic approval, vendor will select to approve or reject), once approved your WSO will be posted on sender's WPblog using the warriorplus as payment method (All sales, affiliate commissions are handled by warriorplus). There is no scope of scamming here. Also from my 2 days testing, 95% of my auto affiliate requests are approved without any question. Reason being, at the end of the day WSO sellers are "sellers" and the more affiliate you get brings in more probability of increase in sales.

So question is what is the point of posting WSO's on blogs?
As we know there are numerous product in WSO section which even converts @ 50% which is way way higher then clickbank or any other merchant. So, now the affiliate can use third party advertising system i.e Google adwords, facebook, PPV etc because in the "Display URL/Destination URL" he can put his own blog link.

Secondly, affiliates can use the link of there blog to show the offer rather then whole WSO thread.

Every request you approve as seller would post your WSO as a blog post on affiliate's blog and thus your WSO get better search engine presence.

As per a warrior above:

"There are people using the auto-apply nature of it to sign up for lots of accounts and attempt to scam people"

Scamming doesn't have to do anything with "auto apply", if scammer want to scam he can simply login to warriorplus, keep on clicking "request" for affiliate programs and then scam. If scammer want to scam,he can do it right on to the WSO itself. I mean this particular thing have nothing to do with scamming, it is a simply requester and poster of same data, as in WSO. So what ever can happen to WSO's can happen to the blogs.

"I think the plugin might have survived if it did not auto-apply to every offer."

I have actually contacted Mike Merz and offered him any and every alteration needed in plugin to make it compatible with WarriorPlus. Awaiting reply.

Finally a very reputed warrior recently done a truly unbiased review about the whole situation. Please have a look

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I find it interesting that all your discussions has helped me a lot. Thank you for sharing your ideas here.

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theimdude

14 years ago

Originally Posted by corsleymaxwell

I find it interesting that all your discussions has helped me a lot. Thank you for sharing your ideas here.

How did it help you a lot?

I purchased the plugin and is very impressed with the way it works.

What is interesting is that although I have deactivated the plugin WSO owners is still contacting me and communicating with me which is nice.

I don't see why this is such a issue with the plugin that altough the plugin send auto requests the WSO owners first have to approve it before I can post the WSO

One WSO owner requested as I don't have a photo of myself here I must send him my website so that he can check me out first before he will approve me.

Some say you can scam people. Why pay $4 to do so?

I can go and buy a WSO here without the owner knowing who I am and scam the person without being a member of warriorplus.

As for marketing WSO's I only signed up to warriorplus to use this plugin and have send a ticket to warrior plus asking them which way is legit to market WSO's but there response is very slow as I have not heard anything from them. I cannot find any TOS for affiliates either as to what I can and cannot do

I don't believe this plugin is a scam at all and can only benefit WSO owners and affiliates.

The only damage this plugin did to WSO owners is that they got a flood of requests to approve affiliates and so they had to do a bit of extra work :rolleyes:

From what I can see out of the +- 400 WSO that I got approved I would say that 80% of those was on auto approve anyway

No way my blog can send a request for approval and then 5 seconds later the WSO is posted on my blog unless the WSO is set on auto approve.

I think if the system is not doing automated requests and the affiliate go and do manual request and when the WSO is approved the plugin will post the manually approved WSO

Then again not sure if there is a difference as if you log in and just go click click click and the WSO's auto approve

It would be nice to have a clear guideline as to how we are allowed to promote WSO's

Also what I don't understand is why this plugin was approved as a WSO in the first place as the video the OP made explained very clearly what the plugin did.

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Alan Petersen

14 years ago

Originally Posted by theimdude

It would be nice to have a clear guideline as to how we are allowed to promote WSO's

Also what I don't understand is why this plugin was approved as a WSO in the first place as the video the OP made explained very clearly what the plugin did.

Before WSO's were opened to affiliates and such it used to be you could promote a WSO to your own list and in your sig here on the forum therefore making it a true Warrior Special Offer vs. just another marketplace to sell stuff.

Mods don't go through the product being offered or the sales copy or videos with a fine tooth comb. They're just making sure it's an original product and that it's not obviously shoddy.

Just because a WSO is approved doesn't mean it's endorsed or given a seal of approval by the forum. They rely on us member mods to point out possible problem WSO's. If they agree they get closed.

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theimdude 14 years ago

Thanks for clearing this for me

Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

Before WSO's were opened to affiliates

That was before. Any idea where we can find the rules on being a affiliate currently?

I understand what you saying about the WSO's approval but this heading should have drawn some attention

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by carsonrathi

Guys,

I guess i need to clear it a bit again (as all affiliate requests were sent using my plugin) though this plugin is already closed however i think i should share it:

1) Scammer: I do not see any way how "scam" is related to the working of my plugin. Plugin simply send affiliate request, vendor have to decide it to approve or not (it's not automatic approval, vendor will select to approve or reject), once approved your WSO will be posted on sender's WPblog using the warriorplus as payment method (All sales, affiliate commissions are handled by warriorplus). There is no scope of scamming here. Also from my 2 days testing, 95% of my auto affiliate requests are approved without any question. Reason being, at the end of the day WSO sellers are "sellers" and the more affiliate you get brings in more probability of increase in sales.

The problem is through your plugin everyone received a flood of affiliate request and a "scammer" saw it as an opportunity to get themselves in the mix. So now there is no way of telling who is genuine and who isn't without contacting them first, but when you have 10 or more request coming into your email box and will have to email each one individually is becomes time consuming and almost not worth it.

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Is it just me that was under the impression that WSOs were supposed to be a special deal for WARRIORS......

Not just a marketplace where people could spam their affiliate links to the wsos all over the internet.

If there is an army of affiliates promoting your wso to anyone and everyone - what happened to it being a special deal not available to the general public?

This whole idea seems to go against the purpose of the wso section.

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globalpro

14 years ago

Andy,

I am finding that I get a lot more affiliate promotions for WSOs, as opposed to outside offers.

Not saying that's a bad thing, but I do see the difference.

Thanks,

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Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Is it just me that was under the impression that WSOs were supposed to be a special deal for WARRIORS......

Not just a marketplace where people could spam their affiliate links to the wsos all over the internet.

If there is an army of affiliates promoting your wso to anyone and everyone - what happened to it being a special deal not available to the general public?

This whole idea seems to go against the purpose of the wso section.

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a2zmac1 13 years ago

look on warrior plus and the top 10 sellers are not selling to warriors of course they are selling to the public...whats good for some aint good for the rest..thats the way it is...period...
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Is it just me that was under the impression that WSOs were supposed to be a special deal for WARRIORS......

Not just a marketplace where people could spam their affiliate links to the wsos all over the internet.

If there is an army of affiliates promoting your wso to anyone and everyone - what happened to it being a special deal not available to the general public?

This whole idea seems to go against the purpose of the wso section.

Andy: I generally regard the Warrior Plus affiliate program as an opportunity to have my offer mailed to others.

The people who are signing up to be affiliates with Warrior Plus are always Warrior Forum members, and to my knowledge, most of them have lists comprised mostly of other Warrior Forum members.

Until you mentioned it, I never considered that some affiliates were putting the offers on a website, but I suspect those people are a minority of the whole.

I am very selective about who I approve as an affiliate in the Warrior Plus section, and I know that a number of other WSO are equally as cautious, and some even more so.

There is a lot of talk among vendors to not approve affiliates who do not have a proven track record inside of the Warrior Forum.

When Carson Rathi first put the plugin to work for himself, it raised a lot of eyebrows, and many people were asking how he intended to promote the WSO's.

Personally, I ignored his request for affiliate status, and many others were raising red flags about him.

I think you have raised some very valid concerns, but I also think that most serious vendors take the Warrior-Only very seriously.

While vendors can never be 100% certain, we can be and usually are pretty confident that our offers are going mostly to other Warriors.

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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

I am very selective about who I approve as an affiliate in the Warrior Plus section, and I know that a number of other WSO are equally as cautious, and some even more so.

While vendors can never be 100% certain, we can be and usually are pretty confident that our offers are going mostly to other Warriors.

That's the way I feel and it's good to see that your experience is the same as I sometimes wonder if the noise has got so loud that people have stopped being selective.

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Brian Alaway

14 years ago

Am I the only one that has mixed feelings about the "price goes up after x number of sales" ? Creates scarcity and obviously a clear winner for the vendor. But it's basically rewarding first come first serve. Sorry, I know you bought my products in the past but you were too slow so you get the crappiest price. Doesn't seem to promote long term loyalty but maybe I'm wrong? Maybe not so bad if you offer it, at the best price, to your past buyers before the wso launches?

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Brian Alaway

Am I the only one that has mixed feelings about the "price goes up after x number of sales" ? Creates scarcity and obviously a clear winner for the vendor. But it's basically rewarding first come first serve. Sorry, I know you bought my products in the past but you were too slow so you get the crappiest price. Doesn't seem to promote long term loyalty but maybe I'm wrong? Maybe not so bad if you offer it, at the best price, to your past buyers before the wso launches?

I understand what you mean as well, you would think your previous customers would get the best price first.

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ExRat

14 years ago

Hi,

Sorry to bump this after four days since the last post, but I felt it better to do so than to create a new thread related to WSOs, particularly as my point relates to one that I made earlier in this thread (post #57) -

I signed up to some warrior lists recently for market research purposes and I just got this message -

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I'm posting this as an example of how the exponential expansion of the WSO forum could lead to the exponential growth of issues and lower quality items being offered for sale.

I'm not suggesting that the sky is falling, but rather I wanted to offer an example to back up my previous assertions.

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pmbrent

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi,

Sorry to bump this after four days since the last post, but I felt it better to do so than to create a new thread related to WSOs, particularly as my point relates to one that I made earlier in this thread (post #57) -

I signed up to some warrior lists recently for market research purposes and I just got this message -

(bolding added by me for emphasis.)

I'm posting this as an example of how the exponential expansion of the WSO forum could lead to the exponential growth of issues and lower quality items being offered for sale.

I'm not suggesting that the sky is falling, but rather I wanted to offer an example to back up my previous assertions.

That is indeed crazy that someone would plainly state that anyone can take that material and post it as an WSO. I'm sure some people are going to do it and now there will be multiple postings of the same product with different titles.

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billspaced

13 years ago

Originally Posted by pmbrent

That is indeed crazy that someone would plainly state that anyone can take that material and post it as an WSO. I'm sure some people are going to do it and now there will be multiple postings of the same product with different titles.

There are moderators who approve WSOs, no? Maybe they put a clamp on the system to stem the bleeding if they cannot handle the volume?

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Audrey Harvey 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Brian Alaway

Am I the only one that has mixed feelings about the "price goes up after x number of sales" ?

Nope, I don't like dime sales either. I tried it with my last WSO on the suggestion of another, and that WSO was really profitable. The sense of urgency obviously makes people buy. Having said that, I don't plan on doing it again because I don't see the sense in two people paying a different price for the same product.
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- ExRat 13 years ago
  
  Hi Audrey,
  
  I don't see the sense in two people paying a different price for the same product.
  
  I think that it depends on what the starting price is and also the perceived value of the product - dependent upon this, it can be an incentive for those who arrive at the right time and of course for the seller it can mean a possible increase in sales, or in the velocity of sales.
  
  In one case, if the starting price is high, then later buyers overpay.
  
  In the other case, if the starting price is low, then earlier buyers get a bargain.
  
  The catch is that most sales are relatively blind - it's very difficult to establish the true value (to each particular buyer) purely from the salesletter before purchase.
  
  Therefore a seller who gets their starting price correct or incorrect can create a variety of psychological responses in the buyer after the sale -
  
  In one case a feeling of gratitude, or alternatively a feeling of having 'got one over' on the seller.
  
  In the other case, a feeling of buyer's remorse (feeling ripped-off - or that the seller has 'got one over' on the buyer).
  
  My point being that it's important for sellers to not only focus on quantity of sales or velocity of sales IF they are planning on repeat business or building a long-term reputation in a marketplace for offering value.
  
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dagaul101

13 years ago

It's unfortunate that the scammers are always trying new tricks, hopefully everyone will be aware of this trick

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Originally Posted by dagaul101

It's unfortunate that the scammers are always trying new tricks, hopefully everyone will be aware of this trick

Yeah it is unfortunate and I'm trying to make as many people aware as possible.
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13 years ago

This just happened to me as of July 11th (1) non-affiliate sale and July 12th (2+3) thru the same affiliate and are hold at PayPal. I found out about this doing a search on the forum and I see this thread started 6/22. So it's apparent that DigiResults has known this was happening for a while. I got plenty of promotional emails and the tax form email from DigiResults. Nothing that would have warned me this was going on. Did I miss it or was nothing sent. Did any other vendors get an email from Digiresults disclosing this was happening.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by John Collins

This just happened to me as of July 11th (1) non-affiliate sale and July 12th (2+3) thru the same affiliate and are hold at PayPal. I found out about this doing a search on the forum and I see this thread started 6/22. So it's apparent that DigiResults has known this was happening for a while. I got plenty of promotional emails and the tax form email from DigiResults. Nothing that would have warned me this was going on. Did I miss it or was nothing sent. Did any other vendors get an email from Digiresults disclosing this was happening.

Yeah they are aware of what's going on you need to notify them via email of that particular affiliate/ID so they can freeze their account or ban them from the site all together. Nothing publicly has been emailed out about this situation but that's part of the reason for posting this. Just be careful of who you approve especially if you get a sudden flood of request and email them to see if they respond.

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13 years ago

Very good comment, ExRat, thanks for taking the time to reply.

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herrador

13 years ago

Thanks for that post and advice,

I just posted two products at Digiresults and would have been flattered with the requests!

BUT NOW...I am forewarned and forearmed...thanks again

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by herrador

Thanks for that post and advice,

I just posted two products at Digiresults and would have been flattered with the requests!

BUT NOW...I am forewarned and forearmed...thanks again

Your welcome I'm glad this was helpful.

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mmancha

13 years ago

Originally Posted by pmbrent

The purpose of this is to notify you guys of a scam that is being employed through Digiresults. If you utilize them as your affiliate program you need to read this. I know about this because I was attacked just yesterday.

Someone tried to implement a pretty elbaborate scam that I "partially" fell victim to. All of sudden I received an unusual amount of affiliate request, I approved the first two because I figured they were normal but shortly after 4 more or so came in. What caused this to alarm me was all of the email addresses were from yahoo and their affiliate ID's were all sequential. (i.e 6232,6233,6235, etc)

Later on the day was when I truly realized that it was an attack, they had someone purchase a product through their affiliate ID and almost immediately disputed the charge through Paypal. So the money that was paid was on hold but since I had money in my paypal account they still got a commission from the sale. As a result, I did the same thing they did and disputed the commission and got my money back. It continued today with another flood of affiliate request, needless to say I rejected all those request.

I just wanted to notify you guys and be cautious if you get a quick flood of affiliate request. Check the email addresses and see if the ID's are sequential, if they are reject them immediately and notify Digiresults.

Exact same thing happened to me this week. I knew something was fishy when I received an affiliate request, a sale and a refund request in that order all within a one hour period. Followed by a stream of new affiliate requests, none of which I approved. Now I have to respond to paypal. If the refunds are given through Digi, the money is returned properly, but when they go through Paypal, you end up paying the entire refund and the affiliate keeps their commision. Instead of making money, the transaction costs you whatever amount you pay your affiliate.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by mmancha

Exact same thing happened to me this week. I knew something was fishy when I received an affiliate request, a sale and a refund request in that order all within a one hour period. Followed by a stream of new affiliate requests, none of which I approved. Now I have to respond to paypal. If the refunds are given through Digi, the money is returned properly, but when they go through Paypal, you end up paying the entire refund and the affiliate keeps their commision. Instead of making money, the transaction costs you whatever amount you pay your affiliate.

It's crazy because I've received another wave of request this week as well. So you don't lose money, as whoever purchased your product did you need to dispute the affiliate commission and you'll get it back. I disputed it and received the funds back.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by mmancha

Exact same thing happened to me this week. I knew something was fishy when I received an affiliate request, a sale and a refund request in that order all within a one hour period. Followed by a stream of new affiliate requests, none of which I approved. Now I have to respond to paypal. If the refunds are given through Digi, the money is returned properly, but when they go through Paypal, you end up paying the entire refund and the affiliate keeps their commision. Instead of making money, the transaction costs you whatever amount you pay your affiliate.

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Christophe Young

13 years ago

I'm getting a new wave of requests now as well. Almost all of them with Yahoo email addresses. Not sure what to do about it at this point. I'll probably just reject any potential affiliates with Yahoo addresses. Sucks for those who might be legit.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Christophe Young

I'm getting a new wave of requests now as well. Almost all of them with Yahoo email addresses. Not sure what to do about it at this point. I'll probably just reject any potential affiliates with Yahoo addresses. Sucks for those who might be legit.

Yeah the same here and I will probably do so as well...

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mr2monster

13 years ago

Fell into this trap myself today..

Three sales from the same buyer, two of which are credited to an affiliate. All of which are on hold at Paypal

Just got another sale too.. and I have a feeling it's gonna get put on hold as well.

Some things that you guys might be able to do to mitigate the risk while DigiResults gets back to you:

In your paypal account:
limit the Fraud Management Filters (more on those here: https://cms.paypal.com/cms_content/U...yPalFMF_US.pdf ) so that people from unverified paypal addresses are placed in review and people from unexpected countries are flagged or placed in review.

That's the only thing I could think of... I'm waiting for someone from DigiResults to get back to me and tell me how to go about this, but i figure that will at least stop any other transactions from dinging the crap out of my paypal account in the mean time, and (hopefully) give me a leg to stand on to show that I was attempting to prevent this should paypal decide to limit my account because of it.

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pmbrent

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mr2monster

Fell into this trap myself today..

Three sales from the same buyer, two of which are credited to an affiliate. All of which are on hold at Paypal

Just got another sale too.. and I have a feeling it's gonna get put on hold as well.

Some things that you guys might be able to do to mitigate the risk while DigiResults gets back to you:

In your paypal account:
limit the Fraud Management Filters (more on those here: https://cms.paypal.com/cms_content/U...yPalFMF_US.pdf ) so that people from unverified paypal addresses are placed in review and people from unexpected countries are flagged or placed in review.

That's the only thing I could think of... I'm waiting for someone from DigiResults to get back to me and tell me how to go about this, but i figure that will at least stop any other transactions from dinging the crap out of my paypal account in the mean time, and (hopefully) give me a leg to stand on to show that I was attempting to prevent this should paypal decide to limit my account because of it.

Thanks for this I will look into activating this on my paypal accounts as well.

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DaveOffen

13 years ago

Yup, I got hit too. Fortunatley only the one transaction. Since I have the same product on a WSO, I have just disabled it on Digi untill they do something to sort it. I guess should only accept affiliate requests from friends as they recommend on WSOs.

Here's reply I got from DigiResults...

Hi Dave,

Thanks for getting in touch with us.

It looks like this "affiliate" was a scammer who used stolen credit card or bank data to purchase products through his own affiliate link and get the commission.

If you get in touch with paypal, tell them about this suspicion, and ask them what you can do to resolve the situation, and if you can file a dispute to get the commission back from the affiliate.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Cheers,

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pmbrent

13 years ago

Originally Posted by DaveOffen

Yup, I got hit too. Fortunatley only the one transaction. Since I have the same product on a WSO, I have just disabled it on Digi untill they do something to sort it. I guess should only accept affiliate requests from friends as they recommend on WSOs.

Here's reply I got from DigiResults...

Hi Dave,

Thanks for getting in touch with us.

It looks like this "affiliate" was a scammer who used stolen credit card or bank data to purchase products through his own affiliate link and get the commission.

If you get in touch with paypal, tell them about this suspicion, and ask them what you can do to resolve the situation, and if you can file a dispute to get the commission back from the affiliate.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Cheers,

WOW! This is apparently a bigger problem then I originally thought...

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Matt Poc

13 years ago

Yeah, the same thing just happened for me.

They purchased the same products many times and in fact, my paypal account was negative.

Really not the best feeling in the world when you log in to your paypal account and instead of seeing hundreds of dollars, you see negative balance and that there are many multiple disputes opened.

I did not like it!

Be careful,

Matt Poc

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pmbrent

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Poc

Yeah, the same thing just happened for me.

They purchased the same products many times and in fact, my paypal account was negative.

Really not the best feeling in the world when you log in to your paypal account and instead of seeing hundreds of dollars, you see negative balance and that there are many multiple disputes opened.

I did not like it!

Be careful,

Matt Poc

Im sorry to hear about your losses, try disputing all of the charges to get your funds back. That definetely sucks and something has to be done about this.

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Newbie11

13 years ago

This is very frustrating. I have a negative balance in my PayPal account due to funds being on hold. If DigiResults can not come up with a way to manage this issue then they need to delay paying out commissions instead of instant payouts.

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pmbrent

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Newbie11

This is very frustrating. I have a negative balance in my PayPal account due to funds being on hold. If DigiResults can not come up with a way to manage this issue then they need to delay paying out commissions instead of instant payouts.

Dispute all of the commissions paid out and you will be able to recover your funds. That's what I had to do, if these people want to play that game you have to play it back on them so they don't get your product for FREE and get paid for pretty much stealing your product.

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pmbrent

13 years ago

I had to share this, I received another affiliate request from someone with the email address "sapapadaaasap@" I mean really?

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mr2monster

13 years ago

*EDIT* Please see next post.

Just as a heads up to anyone still fighting with Paypal to get your fraudulent commissions back out of the affiliates...

I did NOT win my disputes through their online measures.

Moving on, no point in focusing on the negative, but if you get hit with this it is IMPORTANT to file as FAST as you possibly can with paypal, and also NOT TO APPROVE UNKNOWN AFFILIATES THROUGH DIGIRESULTS.

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mr2monster

13 years ago

Sometimes it pays to get on the phone with someone that knows what they're doing... Amazingly, Paypal came through and refunded all the transactions today when I talked to their Unauthorized Claims department...

Literally took 15 minutes and then he said "There you go, I refunded all the transactions"..

Good on you Paypal.

James is a happy camper.

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pmbrent

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mr2monster

Sometimes it pays to get on the phone with someone that knows what they're doing... Amazingly, Paypal came through and refunded all the transactions today when I talked to their Unauthorized Claims department...

Literally took 15 minutes and then he said "There you go, I refunded all the transactions"..

Good on you Paypal.

James is a happy camper.

thanks for providing the helpful info

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Targeted Traffic

13 years ago

Thank you for notifying all of us. Well we really do have this initial hunch of something fishy going on...but hearing proof from someone who actually experienced it really helps a lot specially in being more cautious and what to look for.

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pmbrent

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Targeted Traffic

Thank you for notifying all of us. Well we really do have this initial hunch of something fishy going on...but hearing proof from someone who actually experienced it really helps a lot specially in being more cautious and what to look for.

You're welcome I just want people to be aware of this issue.

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