Is everybody coaching?

Since the demand on coaches is higher than ever since more people look for the opportunity of starting an online business.
this makes the competition tight, most of the self proclaimed gurus / experts, don't have more than half done coaching programs & aren't in reach when you need them... this hurts the industry. And it hurts knowing that people push the soft buttons of a lost person trying to get on track, just for scamming them. Heard about peoples spent over 15k$ without results.

But back to the reason why i quoted your message.
Since the internet marketing niche is such a competitive niche it is easy to get off track, people narrow down their expertise in niche within the niches or also called micro niches, Since we know the search engines is a huge traffic source we tent to get interested in SEO, which also results in investing in that field, but there is two things here that you need to be aware of.

First: SEO isn't a business asset, you need to look at the big picture, going into all minor details won't make you any good, according to the CEO of Google there were over 500 algorithm changes in 2010 alone, thats around 1.5 algorithm changes a day, Therefore you need to just have a understanding on what Google is trying to accomplice, which is to give the person searching relevant high quality content that serves the purpose of the person that searches.

What you can use it for is As long as you put out the meta tags, use the <h1> <h2> <h3> keyword in title and a keyword density between 1% & 3%, then you shouldn't worry to much about the SEO at all, rather spent the time & effort into marketing or other sources of traffic. Because if you want to adjust your text to all the changes Google makes to their algorithm you won't find a lot of time for anything else.

Second: You need to understand that Google can change the algorithm without any notice, give you penalties. Therefore SEO isn't a asset of your business, since the power isn't in your hands, What if Google decided to give you a penalty for trying to manipulate the system, can you afford it? what other kind of traffic are you generating? what true assets do you have in your business?, You need to focus on building Email lists since they are fully under your control, you can put them down to excel sheets or anything you want,.

Spending to much time fine tuning the SEO isn't a good investment since you don't know what will happen and you can't do anything about it if it happens.

Hope I was able to explain it clear enough to give you make you see the reason why you perhaps should start rethink your marketing strategy!

Good luck.

Exactly! If you ever offer coaching, let me know and I would be happy to promote it to my list. I completely agree that every "student" should have a custom action plan to fit them. It's too bad that today, these "coaches" accept 20+ students so there's no time to dedicate to only one individual in that group. That is why so many coaching programs fail and have very little success stories.

-Jay

I stumbled upon your thread after I submitted this one. :p

I wasn't referring to you when I talked about terrible coaches, but I guess in a way I was when I said a lot of people are trying to be coaches.

Not bashing you in any way though, if you are a real "coach" I salute you, and you have my respect. Just make sure that you teach your students "the right way" to do internet marketing. I actually read through your thread, and I can tell that you're one of the good guys.

This thread isn't bashing anyone. Just opening eyes. I'm sure you can understand. There's a lot of corrupt people on the internet, and when corrupt people offer coaching, they either let people down or build an army of even more corrupt people. lol

-Jay

I'm a trained coach myself and what i see around here is usually some type of mentoring sold as coaching.

A mentor whould show you the ropes and then help you to replicate what they did to succeed.

A coach would listent to what the client's situation is and then direct the client's focus into coming up with the steps and the commitment to follow through to success, step by step.It must be the client to develop the strategy that best fit his needs and not the coach.


paolo

Funny, I just had a guy ask about my coaching rates and mentioned that the "going rate" was $97 to $197 a month. I think that should be a red flag to anyone buying coaching.

What kind of coaching can you really expect from someone who is willing to work for such a low rate?

Yes, people need to be more up front, but buyers should really use some common sense.

If you want quality, you have to pay for it, and if someone can truly teach you how to make thousands or even hundreds of dollars a day, why in the world would they charge less than at least $199 an hour?

LOL You mean some type of accreditation? Like a "Life Coach" diploma or something like that? I'm sorry, but that's hilarious.

In IM, the best teacher possible is experience, mistakes made and corrected, and ultimately success. Give me that over a piece of paper on the wall any day.

John

Then you'd be disappointed.

The current situation is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy though - newbies who think they should be making money but aren't often turn to telling others how to do it to make their first money and it's frequently promoted as a 'good' way to make money.

You've seen it a thousand times "if you've read a few ebooks - you know more than 99% of people and should charge to share your knowledge".

Many IMers have no real concept of what coaching is and use the term very loosely and are selling it to other people who also don't know what it is - but think that if it'll show them how to make money then they must need it.

Some IM 'coaching' programs are laughable, but I bet there are still happy customers. I've seen people say the most amazing things about some really crap stuff over the years so nothing surprises me now.

I just ignore it all now as it's up to other people to make their choices about offering and paying for what they want.

As a retired teacher, you can't imagine how many times I have heard that. I am retired now but it still stings. I dedicated my entire life to teaching. It was a true passion.

I have a reasonably high IQ, I have lots of paper and certificates, I spent way more on education than I ever expected to truly get back, I had to do odd jobs to help support my family because the pay wasn't that great. But I never was tempted to change. I believe I was a great teacher and I have about 600 ex students on FB that would say the same thing.

Rant over -- more to the point.

Perhaps what IM needs is more teachers than coaches. I am talking more individual teaching of the skills needed to launch a successful career. Many may not want to admit that these are needed but they are. A logical step-by-step approach is absolutely necessary for newbies.

I do some individual "teaching" for free, even by phone sometimes instead of Skype. It is all up to the individual. Skills can be taught by larger groups but the opportunity for questions must be there.

A million years ago I taught shorthand to a class of about 45. Every student had my phone number written in the front of their book. No excuses if they didn't understand something.

Much later in life I taught Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and Computer Basics to very large college classes. The room held about 50 computers. My syllabus had my phone number. I knew where students were in general going to have trouble and could "unstick" them without seeing their screen.

So you want to be a coach? First evaluate yourself to see if you would be a good teacher. Some of the worst teachers I have had were brilliant in their fields but just couldn't get the point across.

I think you've got it the wrong way round.
People should be looking for the one good egg.

There probably are a few good coaches around.
But they are rare, not in abundance like it appears here.

That was absolutely pointless. I clearly wrote that I am a coach, and take pride in it... so yes?

That's the thing - you are NOT responsible for them. You can't force them to take the necessary actions to work their plan. (unless they ask for hypnosis )

However, it's VITAL that you expect them to be successful in order that you are congruent in your communcations and expectation settings with them. If you 'try' to coach someone and are expecting them to fail - you'll be helping that become reality.

That's also got a lot of dodgy ground.

Who do you think the best players in the world go to? Better players?

Many of the sports coaches are not actually atheletes in that sport - they are sports psychologists who are able to model an excellent mindset (for that person) and help them achieve their best.

Many people who are in the field are not qualified/skilled coaches.

A lot of people can do something but not teach it well to others.

In IM - just because someone made some money doesn't mean they know why or how to teach it to others, especially if the other person has a slightly different business model/preferences/resources.

You need to be careful that your idea of coaching is aligned with the person you're looking to get coaching from.

Some people think coaching = like football coaching - someone better than you showing you what to do, but many coaches are not that, but they are able to faciliate your success.

You just need to be clear that you're on the same page.

Gee, you're pushing it.

You're asking people to be honest.