Spinning Articles

I mean this amusedly, Nick, not with any hostility at all, but how many times can large numbers of people making a successful living from article marketing explain to you that it doesn't actually matter whether or not it's "bad" (because it will have no benefit for you anyway, compared with using them in multiple places without re-writing them), without this question going away?

What is the benefit which you hope to achieve by spinning the articles (even manually) and making their wording non-identical which you think you wouldn't be able to achieve without spinning/re-wording them

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6379382 <------ this will help

(By the way, it will almost certainly not be possible to have a spun article "syndicated"! Who would want to? ).

I may be guessing wrongly, here, and I'm not trying to criticise at all, but I suspect that the reason you can never quite resolve this question, and it keeps striking you again and again, is that - like very many people - you slightly but significantly misunderstand what "duplicate content" means and "how it works"? May I invite you to read this post of Michael's, and this article of Anne's, which may help you a lot?

If you want to spin your articles, I suggest you work at paragraph level, and then at sentence level first. Just spinning words wont cut it.

HTH

Glenn

I wouldnt really say it's so bad. I reckon it's quite pointless though.
Why not just stick to that one REALLY GOOD article and submit them to authority sites?
At the end of the day, if the article is really that good, you won't really have to worry about Google. What you really want (what I think you want, anyway) is to provide as much value to the reader as possible - that's top priority.

In terms of syndication, I dont think it will be well syndicated if all the articles are different... (although I may be wrong about this, so pls correct if so)

I've been sent numerous article spinners to review.

I found myself editing and re-writing their end result to finally get something that doesn't look like a spun article.

It's quicker and far better to DIY.

You do realize that, by the time you're done with the version of spinning that you typed in above (which is called "re-writing" to the rest of the world), that you could've just written a brand new article, right?

-- j

Spinning for unique articles ?
thebestspinner is the only software i know, but if i spin my articles, it has no sense for customers and visitors.

I gave up looking spinning articles with software, and I tried a fair few. Now I use a service that sends me daily spun ready articles and I have had no problems so far. I receive articles with spin cyntax ready and they are all paragraph, sentence and word spun. The resulting articles are always well written and make sense.

Not the answer to your question I guess, but I was a little confused as to what you were actually asking.

I personally don't think that spinning is such a horrible thing, but I'd use it mostly for fluff pieces and not for syndication purposes...

If you're looking to really achieve something with the article(s), it's best to just rely on the original and get that one piece out as far as possible.

Think about what you want to achieve...
Would you rather have one website get some excellent PR for a good original piece of content?
OR
Have several websites get semi decent/average PR for an article that has multiple versions of itself out there?

Is not it even time consuming and difficult to change different words to make another unique one? When you write something, and you have clear concept regarding the topic, I think it will take less time and less effort as well to produce a totally fresh one. I am also agree with luckylane. He pointed from a very good point of view.

All these spinning threads are making me dizzy. Clear out the thread...I'm about to hurl!

The thought of spinning articles really bothers me. As a writer, I don't like the idea of taking an article that a writer has put a lot of work into and then spinning it into several other nonsensical articles that totally take away the meaning and thought behind the original one.

I ran across an article the other day that was very obviously spun, and spun badly at that. The sad thing is, I found variations of the exact same article on about 10 different websites and not a single one of them made sense.

Why not just take the time to write (or have written) several different original articles on the same topic? It will take more time (and money if you're buying them) but at least the articles will make sense and will be worth reading.

I don't think anyone who isn't a real writer will ever get that Paul. To them, content is just random letters that need to be strung together and thrown out into the world to hopefully gain some Google rankings and magically result in sales.

I still don't understand how those sales are magically supposed to come about from spun garbage; but they steadfastly believe it so I guess there is something that I am just missing.

It's a good technique, as long as the articles pass Copyscape, then it's alright. I think everybody used this technique at least once, rewriting articles can be a great method of keeping the quality content and informations, just rephrasing here and there.

The reason there is no definitive answer is because there is no definitive answer. There is no controversy about whether or not arsenic will kill you. It's proven. There's actually a test one can conduct that will give a definitive, replicable result. Not only that, but there are no Pro-Arsenic advocates who are putting out other information. Arsenic is poisonous to humans. End of story.

But article spinning has fans and detractors. It has people seeking profit for their advocacy of one position over the other. There is no definitive study that shows article spinning does or does not work. And article spinning can be done in so many different ways it's very difficult to make a blanket statement about the power, or the failure, of article spinning.

I know for a fact that putting the very same piece of content on multiple websites does not trigger a Google Penalty. I have my articles scattered across the web and I get a lot of traffic from them.

But you don't have to worry about my articles. What about big players out in the world? Check out today's headlines about Mubarak's health from the Associated Press:

-----------------START EXAMPLE #1------------------------
Found at: News from The Associated Press

(screenshot in case the page isn't available in the future:
mubarek AP - captmaker's library)

-----------------START EXAMPLE #2------------------------
Exact same content here at boston.com
Doctors twice use defibrillator on Egypt's Mubarak - Boston.com

(screenshot in case the page isn't available in the future:
Mubarak - captmaker's library)

-----------------START EXAMPLE #3------------------------
Exact same content here at ABC station WQOQ in Wisconsin:
Doctors twice use defibrillator on Egypt's Mubarak - WQOW TV: Eau Claire, WI NEWS18 News, Weather, and Sports

(screenshot in case the page isn't available in the future:
Mubarak3 - captmaker's library)

-----------------START EXAMPLE #4------------------------
Exact same content here at the Tehran Times:
Doctors twice use defibrillator on Mubarak - Tehran Times

(screenshot in case the page isn't available in the future:
Mubarak4 - captmaker's library)


There are many more examples - just use Google to search for the title and author. (Doctors twice use defibrillator on Egypt's Mubarak HAMZA HENDAWI) You'll see duplicate content is not a problem.

On the other hand, a well-spun article (let's just ignore the bad word-level article spinning, shall we?) can provide a unique experience to a site visitor. And done well, yes, it takes extra time, but the article is unique, providing a better user experience for anyone who happens to read both the Tehran Times *and* WQOW in Wisconsin.

Spinning is just a method. Some people prefer it, others do not. If you prefer it, use it. If you deplore it, do not.

I could not agree more. Articles are for people, not for spiders. Spiders don't buy stuff, don't subscribe to newsletters, don't tweet or like your content. That's where the action is - so make sure you put good content (whether spun or not) out there for people to digest.

Mkay. So, sticking with ezinearticles, since you brought them up: They don't require unique, unpublished content, and the article page backlink is PR0. As for spun articles, their editorial guidelines state that articles "Must Not Contain Rehashed Content, or Material Overly Similar to your Prior Submissions." (emphasis added)

If "rehashed content" isn't a euphemism for "spun articles", I don't know what it is. Furthermore, Google is reportedly actively penalizing these kinds backlinks under certain (many) circumstances. So, those kind of backlinks tend to range from generally worthless to actually harmful.

Given all that, I'll rephrase the question: If you want spun articles for these kind of backlinks, what the hell do you want the backlinks for?

June 2012.....hmmmm.....article marketing.....spinning......this comes to mind

Wow So much useful stuff in this thread!!

I have a question.

I do understand that for submitting to ezine directories we do not need any spinning since we can do syndication.

What about web2.0 properties back links? Can I make a blog at Wordpress ...upload the same article and creat a back link and it will be considered syndication??

Also for hubpages I think we need unique articles. I want to use hubpages because it gets lots of its own traffic from other hubbers....so article spinning for hubpages and squidoo might be good. I want to be hubpages and squidoo for their own internal traffic. So do people spin when submitting to hubpages, squidoo etc??

Personally, I would go for average quality of the article with good uniqueness rather than REALLY GOOD quality of the article. Why? Well, I can produce more articles at a faster pace than putting so much time and energy producing "really good" article.

So to answer your question - it's bad for me.

Cheers.

It's a very bad idea to post multiple spun versions on someone else's site (or even your own site!) as if they are completely different articles.

However, placing a well spun version on one site, and a different, still well-spun version on another site (and so on...) is quite considerate. It offends no one - not the site owner, not the site visitor, not the search engines.

In my opinion, I don't think spin works anymore. People do read articles and they know your article whether its original or spin article.

I found this on failbook a while ago, and it applies just as well to spun aticles:

A Crime Against Science - School of Fail