Mass Control 2.0 on Ebay

Like I care about this members poping up suddenly, they could as well get cut a check to defend. Moffatimus... (but that's just pure speculations)


Am I out for tonight, yes... i will not waste my time with the gurus. And gurus little gurus. And baby gurus.

Next thing I know I get a call.. I mean this folks are truly greedy over a $2k. Get you some blankets, and try to kuddle with a girlfriend, or your dog. If no girlfriend.

Google, hell Club Pinguins sold for $700 million to some unknown company. It was that Goofy and Donald Duck company.

I loved them when I were a kid.

Times rough, pies are small=?

Did too many gurus leak in through the backdoors, the pies are only $200k a head something, and there are a contract statement of some sorts.

Gurus little gurus were locked in for 5 years, before the meltdown, on 30k a year base salary.. LOL

Like 5-6 dudes trying to black mail me lately... what's next, the north korean army??? I'm the drama Lama, I have HIV and I cant dance woth a shit, and my breath smells like cheese on Sundays.

Get over it. You'll win for now, Moffito.

You don't seem to be able to comprehend what I am saying as well as others in this thread.

I stated a refund took 30 days from a established store. I do think they have 30 days or more to refund based on law.

I did not make the comparison of buying from a retail store and a digital product.

I do buy things from Amazon and it would be the same thing.

It is these types of comments that has created one crazy thread here. The OP stated she didn't want to refund and people pushed her into it. Then they complained and start talking BS about not taking the refund and told others were trying to talk her out of he refund.

She didn't want a refund people.

This is why I respect that she didn't request the refund

Hi Richard,

That's a very good point - if we are absolutely convinced that the OP is an irresponsible buyer (no offence OP) as opposed to an unhappy one.

But let's look at the 'not so minor' details.

The OP stated this in a forum full of marketers, where the seller's No.2 cohort miraculously found their way here to make his points about why it is wrong for others to suggest refunding, and the actual seller is more than likely to be reading every word - and the OP is likely to also be aware of these things.

It's already been mentioned a few posts above that buyers don't want to risk falling out with the big guns by appearing as a serial refunder (who may, incidentally, become potential JV targets in future - although this is mainly a myth concocted for the obvious reasons).

It's just SO easy to accidentally miss a few minor details and use that grey area to your advantage, especially when you're a 'marketer' who spends every day surrounded by hype, persuasion, sales copy etc.

There is also a time for being real, if we are going to have a sensible discussion - and that means not missing key, important facts, unless we are to behave as 'irresponsibly' as the buyers we refer to.

How easy was it to ignore all of this, and make definite statements based on it being a fact that the OP was 100% telling the truth, rather than glossing over the truth because she doesn't want to create the wrong impression in the worst possible place to do so, yet also the best place to ask for advice (AND also advertise the item for sale for free - as has been proven by TimG)?

It's just TOO easy for marketers to find a get-out and justify anything and everything by blaming buyers.

But is there no place for responsible marketing? Are there no conceivable benefits of this approach? Do all potential customers want lies dressed as truth, rather than the real truth? Are ALL potential customers irresponsible, uneducated sheep?

{sidenote to OP - apologies for the strong wording, but it's useful for encouraging a healthy debate. I'm trying to avoid appearing to attach them to you, and trying to use hypothetical examples wherever possible - no offence intended}.

I haven't seen the MC 2.0 course in question, so I cannot comment on it's quality - but it would seem Mr. Kern gets very good feedback.

That aside, there is no doubt that the perceived value of these launches (in terms of revenue) is going through the roof.

Unfortunately, this dangles a huge carrot for everyone else to simply get the quick sale, minimise refunds and then move on to the next launch, the 2.0 version etc. A more short term, 'don't give a s**t' attitude towards the customer and the marketplace. And there is a very noticeable 'follow my leader' attitude in this market, with many of the 'followers' pushing further boundaries - which in turn reflects back (in the customer's mind) on ALL of us.

Just take a little surf around the IMosphere and take note of the huge groundswell of bitterness towards 'ebook sellers', gurus etc. For those of us who aren't currently part of the problem, it's a case of 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' or try to become 'part of the solution' - or so it would appear.

Hence why this subject is worth discussing at this point in time, in my opinion.

I want to chime in on this, I think this discussion is a fun
and great one. A good question which seldom gets debated around.

ExRat made two great examples. Old vs young groups getting addicted to drugs. And who to sell too.

Now, if we want to explore it further, I would like to separate different kinds of purchases.

Let us leave the drugs out of the talk for this.

Someone mentioned vacations. Fairly, I will say this is true investing in a person and maybe their whole family.

Most vacations will leave a few memorable moments with them, for the rest of ones life.

Now here is how I see things, three categories mainly...

1 Experiences,
2 rational products
3 mecanical products.

Mecanical products are the "what you see is what you get". Tv, puter, shoes, clothes, house, car, mobile phone, toothbrush, shaving tools etc.

Experiences.. vacations, fishing trip, hunting trip, bungy jumping, scuba diving. etc.

Rational products, this are the real trickery category... because its a moral question more than the previous two...

It's the beauty is in "eye of the beholder", and boils down to some kind of educational advices.

Make money online is of this category. And tons of other subjects.

Now there is only one question, were do we draw the line here?

Who has the right to educate us on how to deal with our business and influence on our life?

And when do we have the right to tell someone to run to were the peppers dont even grows.

Taken the MC course from an analytical stand point we have to consider a few things....

Is this course step by step and easy to follow?

Are there enough evidence that actually making money following this course is possible?

And if there are a lot of case studies, how long did it take them to earn that money? (a lot of gurus never mention this)

What are the background of the teachers and those who earned big money following an Internet marketing course? education, and the like. ( I think this could save a lot of headaches)

Do this course do it's justice compared to what they are charging??

Are there better alternatives out there?? (probably most important question)

Now, we begin to see that, the real problem may not prevail in a moral question. It's more a question of.....clarifying the product, and great communications from both parties.

Of course its a moral question after this too, I agree with such statement.

But, its much easier then to statisfy and see who is in the wrong... the buyer or the seller.

Have a good day folks.

(sorry if my english is weak)