Do you believe the $20k stories

Hi

I think the $20K a month comes from years of building your business, not a month after starting.

But 20K a month is less than 1K per day and that is not a tough thing to achieve in sales if you work at it consistently. In affiliate marketing that usually means building a responsive list.

Also, I haven't seen a single post from anyone claiming to have been living in someone's basement to $20K a month in a mater of a month so you should post a link when making wild claims.

I only see claims like that in sales letters, which should be taken with a cup of salt.

Mahlon

I see what the poster means. You see a lot of claims online about how Internet marketers rose from the ashes to dominate the industry.

One story that I can think of is that guy from the Empower Network. He claims to have been homeless, & now is super successful. Do I believe it? It's probably BS. I mean how does a homeless guy get his hands on a computer to even start Internet marketing anyway?

These stories play on the emotional part of the sales pitch and encourage the reader to say to themselves, "If they can do this in that situation, I should be able to do it too."

I believe it takes a while to build a business up to make $20k per month. Can you do this through affiliate links? I'm sure you can, but not while living in the back of a van!

Most of them are of course complete BS

But you'd be surprised at how easy it can be if you really get to work and start networking.

20k a month may not be that easy but 5k+ honestly isn't all that tough

Hey I'm not going to lie I've gotten lucky striking some pretty big campaigns early off.

But maybe it was just because of all the hard work I put in.

For the most part I agree with this statement:

20k a month is chump change to top affiliates. My highest record in affiliate marketing was 10K PER DAY. So 20k per month is easily achievable, but you won't learn how to get there buying WSO's thats for sure.

To be honest it's kind of a silly question.

Yes, I believe some of them and no, I don't believe others.

Also, you seem to have a very limiting mindset. This kind of mindset won't get you anywhere.

For example, we can all agree there are plumbers who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year because they've built their business from the ground up and now employ tens or hundreds of people. I know this because I personally know at least two who do very well in the plumbing business.

Then we can all agree there are plumbers who make like $20K per year or so. Not surprising at all if there are plumbers out there making that.

Why can't the plumber making $20K per year make $200K per year? He can.

But if he thinks, "I just can't see how these other plumbers are making so much money when all I can make is less than $2,000 per month," he will never get anywhere.

So, who cares about the claims of others? Focus on improving yourself, improving your focus, improving your mindset, improving your knowledge of business and how to scale it up, etc.

On the other hand if you want to be bitter and jealous of the people who are making the kind of money you want to make and just say they're all full of BS to feel better about yourself (yes some of them are full of it, but there are plenty who aren't), then go ahead.

I believe if it make sense!

It is true or not. But yeah it gets me motivated and force me to sit and work hard to find success. Some people do it as they want to make a certain image of theirs and establish their credibility. But sometimes few stories are so lame anyone can tell that it can't happen. Nobody homeless with no knowledge, with not even a laptop (I read somewhere a gal she used to work in a cafe, she used her friend laptop) starts making a lot of money in just 1-2 months. That's ridiculous.. although I hope that would be true.

it is possible. here something to check out :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y6bKhyl-fE

$20k per month is not a huge amount in terms of gross, but in terms of net it is great. With that said there are affiliates doing that weekly, so its quite possible.

Is it likely that starting from nothing you will make $20k your first month, incredibly incredbly unlikely. BUT $3-6k in your first month, is very doable if your really put in the effort.

I feel the frustration in you post and I sympathize with you.

There are a lot of scams and less-than-truthful people out there. And there always will be. But there are also high-income people doing exactly what they say they're doing -- and teaching. The trick is to discern which is which.

I learned early on that it was MY job to find those who were the real deal and then learn from them. I long ago moved away from the "Make money online in your underwear overnight" hype. I buy only from REAL business people with REAL businesses.

If you want to make big money as an affiliate, I'm sure there are people doing it. You have to go out and find them. I chose not to make affiliate marketing my main business model, so I can't recommend the best people in the affiliate space. But I'm sure there are those here who know who they are.

However... Internet marketing is the same for everyone, whether you're an affiliate or selling your own products. So you don't have to look for someone selling/giving info specifically on making money as an affiliate. You just need to look for solid info on making money online.

Yes, $20K/month is very possible. I'm not making anywhere near that much yet, but my mentors are. It's only $160K/year and my mentors are multi-millionaires.

One of the biggest issues newbies have (and most everyone else, myself included) is not focusing on one business idea and working at it until it succeeds. We're GREAT at starting things, but not so great at seeing them through until they're making money. We get caught in the space between starting something and actually having success with it. It's WORK. Our fears and doubts get in the way. Then the newest bright shiny object comes along and we jump on it, leaving our first project unfinished.

Pick a niche, pick a product or service and pick a business model. Then stick with it until it succeeds.

If you don't know how to market online yet, or who to learn from, here are the ladies who have mentored me:

1. Ali Brown -- AliBrown.com
2. Carrie Wilkerson -- Barefoot-Executive.com
3. Sheri McConnell -- SmartWomenInstitute.com

Sheri McConnell has been my mentor since 2010. She's phenomenal and I'm so happy I chose to learn from her. I'm currently in a 5-month coaching program with her, but after this Nov., she'll no longer be doing business coaching. So you're out of luck there. But I assume she'll still be selling her info products for a while.

I highly recommend her Marketing 2.0 course which you can see here: Marketing 2.0 | Smart Women Institute

It's very comprehensive and at just $295, uber cheap. (The first "real" Internet marketing course I bought from Ali Brown was $1500. And I've paid Sheri $8K so far this year for her coaching. $295 is CHEAP.)

Also, check out Dan Kennedy's "No B.S." books at Amazon.com or your local bookstore.

A principle of success is "Find someone who's doing what you want to do, then learn from them and model them." Excellent advice! Go for it.

Hope this helps!
Michelle

This is the Internet. I win the Nigerian lottery whenever I open my email inbox and a new Audi A6 whenever I browse porn.

There's very little I believe online anymore.

Yes and No, it's more so something you have to keep an eye out for. There's plenty of guys out there including myself that make seven figures a year. But I've been doing this for close to 9 years now, overnight sucess like that doesn't happen. Sure anyone can make a portion of it, and if I had to put a cap on it, I'd say realistically making $3-4K/month is entirely possible with a few months of work, the right method, and the will to stay with it. Also $20K/M might seem like it's a lot but I can assure you, it's a fraction of what power players and myself are making. But don't get me wrong $240K/year is a solid income, anyone doing that amount should be proud of their hard work. One other note, is for guys who make it to make it to $20K/M, remember the money you make is up to you, your motivation and your work ethic, don't limit yourself to numbers.

Sure they make that amount selling to gullible people their finely written B.S.Even on here you hear about all the money you"could" make in X hours or X days but you read a thread month's later the posters don't say yeah Thanks I made what you stated I"could" make.So I believe to make this money they have one heck of a good writer for them or they're a good writer to get you to buy.

none of it is insane at all you just have to think like an accountant.
20 a week x 4 weeks = 80 bucks that type of thinking.

now initially I kept hearing the money is in the list, the money is in the list, the money is in the list, but I never believed that.

being a person who learned through face to face sales that if you just do what the master sales person says you will increase your sales, i listened and began to build a list.

i only had 5 people on my list and was sending them information on marketing and wso's. i noticed when i purchased wso's that many of the people would add me to their lists and send out the same wso offers daily. so, i figured somehow they are getting paid from these. that's when i did some internet research and discovered you could become an affiliate with warriorplus if the wso creator approved you.

after joining warriorplus i would apply and get affiliate links for the products I liked. now, instead of just giving information on wso's to my list of 5 people I would give them my affiliate link as well.

that's when I learned the money is in the list.
month 1 that list of 5 folks earned me 60 bucks through warriorplus
the next month I made 100 bucks with 10 folks on the list.
here's the accountant part;
if 10 people = 100 bucks then 10 times that amount = 100people or 1000 bucks
now imagine if you have 1000 or 10000 people on your lists?

The key thing I find with IM is find a good guru go over their stuff and don't just read it put it into practice. Sure everything they teach won't fit everyone, but you will find what you like and what you do best in the process and after some tweeking you can make 20k a month. I think what's best is to stick to the basics and you will never go wrong.

20k is easy

The thing in this game is
that point blank people
are not creative enough

Are not passionate about
marketing.

Got into marketing for all
the wrong reasons.

Then there lame attempts,
they start shunning of people
making small fees like $20k a month

Think like this:

Think totally out the box of something
that someone who hasn't got much
knowledge in what you could teach them
about and then find them and put them
in front of your offer.


The most simplest and easiest one

There are hundreds of different niches
that are getting on the Internet every week
using sites that look lame, made by some
marketer that wants to take advantage
of peoples lack of confidence in ever thinking
why people would come to there sites unless
it was flashy and looked like something out
of robocop

You just have to get at these people, continuing
the conversation going on in there head and then
make a complete and opposite change of direction
for them - telling them why and why what I'm saying
is important.

Once you get some one via that way, they will follow
what you advise.

The thing that's going to pay you and the best niche

Hosting, plus you do not have to wait 60 - 90+ days
you can talk with the hosting company and ask if i bring
you so and so sign ups a month i want to get paid per week
or whatever you choose

Find the people

Niches:

Artists
Musicians


Basically anyone who believes in themselves
and has a tonne of people not really believing
in them and they are all alone

Those kinds of people just need

Confidence > Advice > Plan Of ACTION

I would go on, but I know people do not
value free information - but if you cant get the
jist of this you need to get to more learning

Funny I just wrote a thread about integrity today http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...integrity.html

its very doable ive been away over that before i had a brainfart and lost it all.
Never with wso's and such here I was a affiliate for various other things and also had about 10 of my own sites rocking

If you find something that makes 1k/5k etc twist the screws and do it times 100 and you will be over 20k per month

To me, it is all about perspective. Can I see myself making 20k a month doing this? Frankly no. Is it possible? Of course. I understand that other people are doing it. It doesn't make me a doubting Thomas or a bad marketer, but a different person that thinks differently. However, it isn't until I get that 3-6k a month that I can start to think of ways to get to next level of 5-8k a month. It is a progression or goal.

Although people have climbed the Himalayas, I can't imagine doing it until I start climbing.

Well it depends, most people wouldn't talk about how much money they make, but for first timers making that much I could see it happening. Heck, if I made 20k a month for the first time I would probably be on here talking about it. But, if I was an old timer making 100k a month for the last few years I probably wouldn't be on here

While going to $20k/month within one month may not be possible,achieving that figure in 6 months is very much possible if you put the required amount of work.

Internet is absolutely huge and making $20k/month via affiliate route is not very difficult if you know what you are doing.There are affiliates who make this much and more a day on a regular basis.

Who cares whether another person is making 20k a month anyway. If you find a strategy that's working for you then just focus on that.

Just because you are failing to produce those results doesn't mean they don't...

Also one thing to keep in mind when looking at screen shots of people making 20k+ per month is how much did they spend on advertising.

If they made $20,000 but spent $21,000 they lost $1000 but that doesn't show up in a clickbank screenshot, just the $20k does.

$20k/month is absolutely achievable....just not in your first month.

Hard work, hard work, hard work.

Never, ever quit.

Modify, but don't ever quit.

No reason you can't be there in a year.

They're building hype and authority with things like that. Of course, most of us know it's BS and it's only there to increase sales but $20k/Monthly really is achievable.

You might make $1/Monthly or you might make six digits monthly, there are people who do it out there but want to know their secret? They don't sit on forums telling people how rich they are and how much money they make. I believe some of us are guilty of this next part but, they don't spend hardly time on forums at all, they're constantly working on their business and tweaking things for better results.

it is almost impossible when perceived to be impossible and the truth is that only 7% claiming testimonials are real. Been there done that, and i will conclude to say i have earned over that in years though and not just one 72 hours magic testimony, though possible but in very rare programs that require dedication and the full secrets implemented.

People will say anything they want to online...just like they will on the phone. I don't doubt that there is people making 20k+ online. I think that it would take more than a month for an average person online. There is probably only a few that ever went from broke to rich in just a month.

I believe these claims but I also believe that nothing like this happens overnight.

To whoever above said a homeless guy can't get his hands on a laptop: there are multiple at the local library who have laptops that aren't too shabby. You'd be amazed what they bring in panhandling (until they get caught, OCSD looks down on the practice in Orlando).

Now, only one of those guys (that I know of) is trying IM and he's failing miserably because he's putting his dreams into a $497 FB program promising 10k per month (all she teaches is 1. Write free report 2. Make fan page 3. Add opt in). So the whole homeless to rich in a month dream looks less than feasible from here.

Don't feel too bad for the guy though, I watched him put in a bogus refund request to get the money back while assuring me he only did it about "once a year".

There are true "rags to riches" stories, not all in IM. Here are a few Stephen Pierce, Dina Dove, Mike Lamb.

Some are even "rags to riches" lose everything again and then back to riches.

As for a homeless person getting access to a computer....Stephen got a job with a guy as a janitor and permission to sleep on the floor at night and use his computer.

Dina lived in an abandoned home (I think of a family member, don't quite remember details) and her sister let her come over to use her computer.

A friend of mine would go to the library and use the computer, there.

That is the sad thing about IM, is there is so much untruth it is hard to tell when it is really the truth.

However, most of these type stories, these people worked really long and hard and it wasn't in just a few months.

I've lucked out on some things and made some big bucks up front in just a few days but it did take some months to build it up to some consistency.

The best "short cut" in my opinion is to not look for "short cuts" and just stick with the basics of running a good service business or selling a great product (either your own or as an affiliate).

Find a system that works for you and stick to it.

Stop jumping from one thing to another looking for a quick buck.

If you had a lot of money to spend and access to somebody with experience to show you exactly what to do, you MIGHT be able to get to $20,000 in a month.

But, you would have to spend a few grand on traffic to get the ball rolling.

Most of the rags to riches stories are complete b/s, but occasionally you can come across a superstar who just "gets it" and is able to build a successful online business in a relatively short period of time.

Lee McIntyre would be an example of this.

It doesn't. Plain and simple. But it is an effective "strategem" that scammers will use until the well dries up.

I'll throw in my 2c here. After 5 years of casually blogging on a subject I love I've netted around $70,000. That's five years of...

Adsense
ebay (epn)
amazon

I never created one of those list things....
I never pressured anyone to buy anything
I created 2-3 posts/week on a blog that were anywhere from 100-1000+ words

If I have to attribute my "success" to anything it would be forming a crazy fanbase via youtube.

It's not a ton of money but it paid for vacations, cars and some awesome memories.

Would I ever want go full time IM/blogging? No. The internet changes every minute of the day, it's just to volatile to depend on.

I believe you can make $20K a month, but no way is somebody pulling that after one month. I would say more like 2-5 years is more realistic.

the only thing that matters is can you make 20k a month doing the same thing and the answer to that question should determine the result, 99.999 percent of the time people who buy into this kind of program fail to achieve one dime of profit.

Its sad and it is likely illegal but what can you do except try to warn people that are new to marketing and do not realize that these "Pie in the Sky promises" are not real they are designed to separate marketers who are new from their money period.

The yellow brick road leads only to one place.

Great question. Let me begin by saying that you create your own reality. Most stories are just created to create an image that it's very easy to make huge amount of money online and that they have the secret.

20k a month as an affiliate means you have to put alot of energy and work to it. It doesn't happen just overnight. Not even in 1 month unless you have 5k to 10k to invest in ads or you have a team of people who work for you and build a huge list for you that when you sendout an email most people buy.

Hmm let's not forget that you also need to create a relationship with the people on your list if order to sell to them.

20k a month ? My question is , which strategy do you think will work for you?
Do you sell membership subscribtions or one time payment products.

My question to is, why would you botter about what others are saying.Listen, even if you would make 5k in just 30 or even 60 day's and grow your income each month.

PM me if you have any question, If I can help you with your questions I would love to have your feedback. NO PRODUCTS WILL BE SOLD.

Amin

its true my friend just need an idea and a system

I wouldn't believe them either.

But, are some doing it? Yes they are.

I know that 20k a month is definitely possible, but I would say most people are not able to achieve that kind of success in 1 month. But I have noticed that once you start making some consistant money online it's really easy to scale that up and make a lot of money.

Well, I have seen a lot.. Tried some. But no success with these programs. I am motivated and inspired to make a good amount of money from online but you have to work really hard for that -- like 24/7. I guess these stories always have a catch and most of them are false testimonies.

I go to the WSO section often. I read tons and tons of threads and posts. I don't think I've ever read one single post where a customer of a hyped up wso did the crazy numbers that were promised, NOT ONE. It's the possibility that keeps people going and gives them hope.

If you had a large advertising budget, say $5K and you setup a really good sales funnel, I don't see why you couldn't get to $20K in the first month right off the bat. Is it likely? Nope! Possible? Yes!

regarding affiliate marketing combined with the imo most often used traffic driving method seo, it is not really possible to get to 20k+ a month from zero (except if you find a totally untapped niche with a lot of demand which should be quiet impossible these days).
even if you get to one 20k+ month with social media, you still need a lot of twitter followers or facebook fans which i wont call "from zero".
so nope, imo it is not possible though it is possible in a matter of an year or 9 months maybe.