Outsourcing to Pakistan NIGHTMARE

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Has anybody had success outsourcing to Pakistan?

From all the outsourcing I hear to India and Philippines, I decided to take a chance with Pakistan.

BIG MISTAKE! Will never go with Pakistan ever again!

I found a freelancer from Pakistan on Guru.com. At first they came off as professional and prompt in response promising me the world and everything. They had decent reviews. They wanted an upfront payment which I was hesitant and never do. But they were so convincing that I ended up complying, and paid they a unrefundable upfront half-payment and stored another final payment within SafePay.

The biggest requirement I needed was to see something as work-in-progress within 3 days because the launch has been delayed for month. They promised they will get me something no more than 4 days. A week has passed, I contacted them.

Now they're telling me they needed a storyboard provided, which I became aggravated to them now asking for that and didn't see any work. I told them the script was the storyboard and sufficient.

A couple days later, no response, and asked again where is something tangible I could see...then they went on giving me the lame excuse of needing a storyboard. I wasted so much time with them, I decided to find another provider, and asked for my money back.

They said they refunded my money...

However, I didn't trust them now, so looked under my account and they did refund my SafePay fund, BUT NOT my 1st upfront payment they required.

Now they became very unprofessional. I asked them to give me my upfront payment last week, and they still haven't done so nor responded back.

I reported this to Guru.com, and unfortunately, they don't want to get their hands dirty in these matters to enforce themselves against these dishonest fly-by-night scam freelancers who think they can take advantage of this lackadaisical policy of Guru and steal employers' money and never even start the work.

This is ridiculous how Guru.com doesn't enforce their policy and regulation when comes to these dishonest fraudulent scam artist who think they can get away with it...so these dishonest freelancers do.

Guru.com needs to step up!

I'm attempting to file a chargeback/complain tomorrow.

Advice...stick with Philippines and India.
#nightmare #outsourcing #pakistan
  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    1. What was the project? Maybe they did need a storyboard, and a script wasn't good enough. Just playing devil's advocate because stories like this often provide one (very edited) side of the equation.

    2. Never pay upfront what you aren't willing to lose. Again, depending on the project details it is hard to say whether or not you are morally entitled to get that money back (perhaps they spent time and effort working on your project. Again, we don't know because you're the only side of the story). Contractually, it comes down to what their terms and conditions are. If they don't offer a refund policy, then it is what it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason H
      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

      1. What was the project? Maybe they did need a storyboard, and a script wasn't good enough. Just playing devil's advocate because stories like this often provide one (very edited) side of the equation.

      2. Never pay upfront what you aren't willing to lose. Again, depending on the project details it is hard to say whether or not you are morally entitled to get that money back (perhaps they spent time and effort working on your project. Again, we don't know because you're the only side of the story). Contractually, it comes down to what their terms and conditions are. If they don't offer a refund policy, then it is what it is.

      They never even started, and waited towards last minute to need the storyboard...when my terms and requirement before hiring them was something to be seen within 3 days.

      They could have easily gave my refund back.

      Today's a holiday, so tomorrow I'm filing a chargeback. Simple as that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by Jason H View Post

        They never even started, and waited towards last minute to need the storyboard...when my terms and requirement before hiring them was something to be seen within 3 days.

        They could have easily gave my refund back.

        Today's a holiday, so tomorrow I'm filing a chargeback. Simple as that.
        You dodged the question. What was the specific project about?
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    • Profile picture of the author jkruger
      I went through this as well, 5 years ago. We have since built up development locations in India and China.

      The best way to overcome communication issues when outsourcing to anyone: Visually document what you want and how it will work.

      Storyboards were mentioned, which is perfect.

      If you don't have graphic ability, I suggest you find someone who does, and let them help you communicate your needs.

      You can also find wireframing tools online to work through your design.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mousumi
    I have been freelancing via Odesk for the past two years along with my husband and his younger brother. Together we have worked for over 4000 hours and almost all of my clients come from the U.S.
    We have never charged below $8 and just have a few clients. There are people who insist on working below $5 or $4...and we ask them to knock another door....Pay peanuts, get monkeys!
    The Pakistani guy you hired is quite likely to outsource his work to Bangladeshi nationals...I have seen web developers bidding for as low as $1...I call it Slavery
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    • Profile picture of the author Online Guru
      Originally Posted by Mousumi View Post

      The Pakistani guy you hired is quite likely to outsource his work to Bangladeshi nationals...I have seen web developers bidding for as low as $1...I call it Slavery
      Why u mix Bangladesh with this?? R u mad?? You Indians should to inform that Bangladesh is ranking 3rd in Freelancing by their dedication, devotion and discipline.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by Online Guru View Post

        Why u mix Bangladesh with this?? R u mad?? You Indians should to inform that Bangladesh is ranking 3rd in Freelancing by their dedication, devotion and discipline.
        Calm down. People can have dissenting opinions. Don't take it as a personal insult unless you were the worker that she was specifically referring to. People have similar stories involving freelancers from all over the world :rolleyes:.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
          Or you could just outsource to someone who communicates fluently in your language, understands your culture, and shares a similar work ethic. Here's a hint - you'll NEVER find those things from a cheap outsourcing location. Pay a few dollars more and hire someone from your own country.
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          • Profile picture of the author RobertoM
            I hired people from Pakistan for a couple of projects (around $10/hour) and never had a problem.
            In a 200M people country like Pakistan you will find all kind of persons. Maybe it was just bad luck with the guys you selected.
            Your mistake was that up-front payment and I think that Guru.com has responsibility for your refund issue.
            It probably wouldn't happen in Elance or Odesk.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
              Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post


              You just have to be careful with who you hire. Never pay them in advance, especially in the beginning.
              Originally Posted by RobertoM View Post

              Your mistake was that up-front payment
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    • Profile picture of the author Evocess
      Originally Posted by Mousumi View Post

      I have been freelancing via Odesk for the past two years along with my husband and his younger brother. Together we have worked for over 4000 hours and almost all of my clients come from the U.S.
      We have never charged below $8 and just have a few clients. There are people who insist on working below $5 or $4...and we ask them to knock another door....Pay peanuts, get monkeys!
      The Pakistani guy you hired is quite likely to outsource his work to Bangladeshi nationals...I have seen web developers bidding for as low as $1...I call it Slavery
      Great post!
      Not to offend other people in freelancing industry.
      We all know that we need to compete with others but having very low bids is not good at all. But for some reason people bid in low price because they know that they don't have enough skill and experienced to do a certain project.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I've had bad experiences in the past with outsourcing but nothing too major and not too much money was lost, thankfully. Hope you get it back.
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  • Outsourcing to india has been the best business move for me
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    hi,

    Sorry to hear that you have to go through this.

    When I started online marketing, I used to hire many vendors offshore in order to see which ones would do the best job. Needless to say, I have lost enough money but it has been a learning lesson.

    Yes, I have hired many people in Pakistan as well and many of them were not up to par so I decided not to send the more projects. However, the 2 or 3 people that fulfilled my requirements are now taking care of around USD 20,000 worth of business a month.

    You just have to be careful with who you hire. Never pay them in advance, especially in the beginning.

    I hope that helps :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingMonk
    I think yours is a one off case as I have outsourced a lot of my projects to teams in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India and Philippines. I never had any major issues with professionals in any of these countries. But personally, I would say Flipinos are my favorite.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vanilla Gorilla
    Hired a guy to do SEO for my site on Odesk. After a week all the screenshots showed that he was not doing ANY seo. In fact, he was actually making a duplicate site. I immediately filed a complaint and with heald payment. he then began threatening me saying he would do blackhat or negative seo to try and get my site banned if I didn't pay him. After all of this, Odesk sent him a "warning" and with held his payment. What does someone have to do to get banned?


    That being said i've had some guys do some really good work. you get what you pay for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shubh Ashish
    I am from India and I can tell you that Never pay upfront to anyone.No matter how legitimate his business seems.We see countless big businesses vanishing overnight,then how can we believe small groups on Freelance sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author maz1207
    Never tried Guru.com but Freelancer.com is the same as this one since they wouldn't get their hands on things like this. I would prefer Odesk.com, they have a very good support. They would take action if you have a legit proof of being scammed by the freelancers there.
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  • Profile picture of the author tmtechno
    Generalizations are not fair. There are professionals and groups from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh providing top notch services. There are always bound to be a few bad apples and that can be from anywhere in the world.

    It is the consumers responsibility to look for 'red alerts' before proceeding.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by tmtechno View Post

      Generalizations are not fair. There are professionals and groups from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh providing top notch services. There are always bound to be a few bad apples and that can be from anywhere in the world.

      It is the consumers responsibility to look for 'red alerts' before proceeding.
      This. Buyer error is usually the case in these situations, but good luck getting people to take responsibility for their actions (see: this specific case, IM products, weight loss pills, McDonalds "healthy options", the list goes on and on and on and on).
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  • Profile picture of the author TMercT
    I tried multiple SEO companies from India and Philippines and they never came through for me once. I only stick to native English speaking outsourced now and I believe I found a excellent SEO company that I would like to stick with! =)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason H
    UPDATE: I've been in contact with Guru.com, and apparently, this freelancer is refusing to give the refund back, and Guru says it can't do anything about it. So I'm already filed a PayPal compliant....then the thank-god chargeback to get Guru's attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason H
    YEP, Pakistan never hiring anybody from there ever again!
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    • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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      Originally Posted by Jason H View Post

      YEP, Pakistan never hiring anybody from there ever again!
      So you're really going to criticize a whole country because of one bad experience? :rolleyes:

      I've outsourced all over the world and my experience has been that people are basically the same all over. Hire the wrong person and you'll end up with poor results, no matter where they're from.

      I've had just as many freelancers from the US and UK screw up as I have from other countries. I've also had many more great outsourcing experiences from all over - including Pakistan.

      You're really just ticked off at yourself because you did a poor job of identifying the right person for the job in the first place. That's what happens when you rush to get things done based on artificial deadlines.

      Learn how to manage your projects the right way and you won't run into these kinds of problems very often.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        I met a guy named Jason once who was a real jerk, so therefore all Jasons must be jerks; I'll never again associate with anyone named Jason!!! (I'm being facetious here, but I'm really hoping you can get the point I'm making....)

        How ridiculous it is to write off an entire country based on a bad experience with ONE freelancer. I mean, seriously??? This could have happened with a freelancer from ANY country.

        If you are always so quick to make sweeping generalizations regarding any group of people based on your experience with ONE person from that "group" (whether you're grouping them based on nationality, race, religion, sexual orientation, hair color, blood type, how they dress, etc.), then I truly feel sorry for you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          I met a guy named Jason once who was a real jerk, so therefore all Jasons must be jerks; I'll never again associate with anyone named Jason!!!
          Jason is a jerk though .

          Jason is cool. He's one of the least jerkish people on here. I pick up his slack in that department.
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  • Profile picture of the author spazz896
    I have hired close to 100 people online and off-line.
    On average 1/10 hires turn into great workers the rest are okay.... A few are bad apples.

    For Elance type sites,
    -I always disregard the lowest bids,
    -avoid 'agent/companies'
    -lean towards the middle-price bracket,
    If they are getting paid decent cash, you get decent results. nuff said.

    North American writers, I've have terrible and great ones - location isn't the issue.

    Being more selective in your hiring process will help eliminate bad apples.

    I hope you get your money back, dude.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason H
    Guess what?

    Guru has closed my account since I filed this compliant on PayPal.

    Guru has really sinked to a whole new low!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Jason H View Post

      Guess what?

      Guru has closed my account since I filed this compliant on PayPal.

      Guru has really sinked to a whole new low!
      No, they didn't sink to a new low. This result should have been expected based on their TOS. You made a payment to the freelancer, which is final:

      E. Miscellaneous Payment Terms.
      1. Authorized Payments are Final. Your use of the Guru Billing and Payment Services constitutes your agreement to pay for any amounts which you authorize us to retain from transactions and, as appropriate, charge to your credit card, bank account, or PayPal account. Such payments, once authorized, are final. When an Employer’s Acceptance of Services has occurred, (i) Guru.com shall have no further liability to any party with respect to Payment for such services, (ii) Employer acknowledges that Guru.com has provided a complete service in respect of the payment made by Employer for the Assumed Payment Liability or Invoice, as applicable and (iii) Employer hereby releases Guru.com from any and all liability with respect to such Payment.
      Now that you have initiated a chargeback (which prevents them from seeking reimbursement) you have left yourself open to your account being closed per the next section (see last sentence):

      2. Fraudulent Transactions; Erroneous or Duplicate Transactions; Charge Backs. Guru.com reserves the right to seek reimbursement from you, and you will reimburse Guru.com, if Guru.com discovers a fraudulent transaction, erroneous or duplicate transaction, or if Guru.com receives a charge back or reversal from any Employer’s credit card company, bank, or PayPal for any reason. You agree to and acknowledge Guru.com’s right to investigate any and all transactions for fraud. Further, you agree to cooperate with any reasonable requests made by Guru.com in an effort to investigate fraud. You agree that Guru.com has the right to obtain such reimbursement by charging your Account, deducting amounts from future transfers, charging your credit card or any bank account associated with your Account, or obtaining reimbursement from you by any other lawful means, including using a third party collection agency. Failure to pay for reimbursements of a charge back or a reversal of payment is cause for termination of your Account.
      You agreed to those Terms of Service when you signed up for your account, plain and simple. That's not them sinkng to a new low. That's them executing the contract that you electronically signed. Don't whine about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by Jason H View Post

      Guess what?

      Guru has closed my account since I filed this compliant on PayPal.

      Guru has really sinked to a whole new low!
      Read up on PayPal. PayPal payment protection is designed for hard goods shipped via eBay. For digital goods 'you're on your own.' Plus, you're only supposed to open a dispute after you did everything in your power to resolve it with the vendor.

      You're learning a lot of lessons during this experience Pay some attention going forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author rackspace
    try elance or odesk next time
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  • Profile picture of the author OutsourceFactor
    I think it borders on idiotic to say that Pakistan is the source of your problem. You have a bad experience with one provider and label Pakistan the problem? Maybe the guy wears purple underwear and it's those purple underwear folks we should blame.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greenjackdavey
    A happy customer tells one person, a unhappy customer tells eight.
    This thread could give a biased outlook on using freelancers from Pakistan. There are plenty of good and trustworthy people there, just use discernment and common sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaolinsteve
    My project is not necessarily that big but not everyone in Pakistan do bad jobs. There are a lot of "networks" on freelancing sites that basically all work for eachother yet post on so many requests it looks terrible but eventually someone gets the job.

    I currently find their work for Data Entry / research very effective. Sometimes it can be just a lack of communication and language barriers. Usually they are willing to learn if you give some time for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    I think your brush has way too much tar
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  • Profile picture of the author footbag_man
    After reading "the 4-hour work week" I started outsourcing to India and have been pleased with the work they produce.

    I have outsourced to the Philipines before and it could not have gone worse for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anthem40
    Yikes, thanks for the feedback
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    I have outsourced to Pakistan before and never had issue. I think it was just that one specific individual.
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  • Profile picture of the author jclindayag
    Many of you had the same experience when it comes to outsourcing work in other countries. The next time you plan to outsource again, employ credible people in Asia which you can find fiverr.com and odesk.com. People especially in the Philippines have a good sense of commitment to work and time management.
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    It's not about the country, but the quality of service.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    The dude posted this in another forum and the response is clearly different from what we have here..

    What is the refund policy of the site?

    That should give you a headstart....
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      What is the refund policy of the site?

      That should give you a headstart....
      I quoted their payment policy above already. The sales is final once payment is made. OP decided to charge back anyways, and now their guru.com account is closed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    BIG MISTAKE! Will never go with Pakistan ever again!
    How about "BIG MISTAKE - never pay upfront again!".

    Although I feel sorry for you, I think part of you is to blame as well. It's not the race neither the place. Not all Pakistanis are like that. You can find similar people everywhere. We customers have always our options on the table. If you picked the menu and ordered a wrong dish, blame no one but your self.

    You've been outsmarted by another guy so don't blame him. Jut be careful next time.
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  • Profile picture of the author blade2011
    freelancer.com is much more professional service
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  • Profile picture of the author denysapu
    waw, just found this thread sadly. I hope you get better luck in the future
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    I have hired people from India, Pakistan, USA, UK, Europe and people for various tasks not all for writing. Most of the people from any country weren't looking for a long term deal and that eventually became a problem for me. However, I have also had good people from everywhere, including Pakistan and all of them have helped my business in their own way at respective points in time.
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  • Profile picture of the author preets
    I have outsource some of my article writing to pakistan and not found any problem although the quality of writing is not good and they rewrite my content several times to made me satisfied.
    You can not blame the whole nation just becasue of one person.
    I get scammed here (WF) several times by the people from different countries.

    You have to be carefull while dealing with anyone online irrespective of country.
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilippaWrites
    Originally Posted by Fraggler

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    Originally Posted by YasirYar

    Never pay them in advance, especially in the beginning.

    Someone has to take the risk, why should it be the service provider?
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    • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
      Originally Posted by datingworld View Post

      I have outsourced to Pakistan before and never had issue. I think it was just that one specific individual.
      Exactly. it really depends upon who you hire. There are bad apples in all countries. Once again, now that I have a solid team in place, I have a Pakistani guide who is managing projects worth thousands of dollars per month.

      Originally Posted by Linerider View Post

      I'm not familiar with guru.com, but my advice is to use a company like Elance.com. They may be a little more expensive than other contractors, but at least you have some protection with the escrow system. If they fail to do the work, you don't pay - simples!

      I only employed one guy from Pakistan a couple of years ago. He used to do my graphics. He did amazing work, was polite, and nothing seemed to be too much trouble. Perhaps I was just lucky, or perhaps you were just unlucky.
      Yeah. Once you find the people who do really good work, you will definitely have a reason to get them to work with you full-time. It doesn't matter what country they are from.

      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      How about "BIG MISTAKE - never pay upfront again!".

      Although I feel sorry for you, I think part of you is to blame as well. It's not the race neither the place. Not all Pakistanis are like that. You can find similar people everywhere. We customers have always our options on the table. If you picked the menu and ordered a wrong dish, blame no one but your self.

      You've been outsmarted by another guy so don't blame him. Jut be careful next time.
      Yeah that makes sense. But I guess the lesson is learned so I'm sure he will not lose money in the future :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I have often outsourced work to people in the United States, and on many occasions, it was an absolute nightmare.

    And I am not just saying this.... It is true....

    The bottom line is that bad quality work is not dictated by what country the provider resides, but rather, the mindset of the provider... For example, anyone who does not believe in giving people real value in exchange for the money they are to be paid, will often provide little to no value and a bad experience to the employer...
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I am so sorry this happened to you. I have never used anyone outside of the US and after reading this I probably won't.
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      • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        I am so sorry this happened to you. I have never used anyone outside of the US and after reading this I probably won't.
        I just want to point out that you will probably save a lot of money if you outsource to other countries in the world. I have no idea what your businesses, but for most businesses you can outsource the majority of the tasks at $2-$5 per hour.

        This translates into a lot of cash saved, just saying!
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  • Profile picture of the author uk099
    You find good and bad people all over the world !

    Their are bright people in Pakistan its all done to you to find them.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Hi Jason:
    I do not like guru. They like keep your money. It is always - that is your problem not ours. Elance is not much better either, but there you go.

    What I do is use the Fiverr model, break your project down into small modules that are bite size... Then, get help in creating it. Talented programmers on fiverr are many. First give them a tiny piece. OK see if they will choke on it. Then if they pass. Well, give them some more. Key is to keep your eyes open.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, I AM surprised at an American doing business with a pakistani. No offense, buta lot of the culture, etc... would have low regard for the average American, etc...

    As for not paying in advance, my last employer had a policy of basically 33%. Start, Middle, and end! Not only THAT, but 20% every year after the first for support!

    And you did NOT do right! A story board WOULD have helped, especially given the different culture and language. Heck, the big producers, etc... do it with people LOCALLY! What makes YOU so special?

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well, I AM surprised at an American doing business with a pakistani. No offense, buta lot of the culture, etc... would have low regard for the average American, etc...
      Not to get too political; but when cash is changing hands those things can be overlooked. This especially holds true for a low end freelancer desperate to put food on the table.
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    • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well, I AM surprised at an American doing business with a pakistani. No offense, buta lot of the culture, etc... would have low regard for the average American, etc...
      Actually, in my travels around the world, I've found that most people - the man in the street, so to speak, don't have problems with Americans. They may hate the American government with a lot of passion, but on an individual basis, it's not the same.

      And, at the end of the day, business is business - assuming you leave politics and religion out of picture.

      Hell, this forum is an excellent example of that - we've got folks mingling here from just about every culture on the planet. Maybe the UN could take an example from us
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        Actually, in my travels around the world, I've found that most people - the man in the street, so to speak, don't have problems with Americans. They may hate the American government with a lot of passion, but on an individual basis, it's not the same.

        And, at the end of the day, business is business - assuming you leave politics and religion out of picture.

        Hell, this forum is an excellent example of that - we've got folks mingling here from just about every culture on the planet. Maybe the UN could take an example from us
        Well, look at who runs the UN! You MIGHT think it is the US, being maybe originally specified and being based in the US, but it ISN'T!

        And yeah, it depends on the country and who you talk to.

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Morphius
    I am going thru hell with a guy from Pakistan right now. He is from this board. The guy is just nightmare. I am waiting for him to surface on the board again, and to make sure no one gives him any work.
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    • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
      Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

      I met a guy named Jason once who was a real jerk, so therefore all Jasons must be jerks; I'll never again associate with anyone named Jason!!! (I'm being facetious here, but I'm really hoping you can get the point I'm making....)

      How ridiculous it is to write off an entire country based on a bad experience with ONE freelancer. I mean, seriously??? This could have happened with a freelancer from ANY country.

      If you are always so quick to make sweeping generalizations regarding any group of people based on your experience with ONE person from that "group" (whether you're grouping them based on nationality, race, religion, sexual orientation, hair color, blood type, how they dress, etc.), then I truly feel sorry for you.
      This one made me smile :-)

      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well, I AM surprised at an American doing business with a pakistani. No offense, buta lot of the culture, etc... would have low regard for the average American, etc...

      As for not paying in advance, my last employer had a policy of basically 33%. Start, Middle, and end! Not only THAT, but 20% every year after the first for support!

      And you did NOT do right! A story board WOULD have helped, especially given the different culture and language. Heck, the big producers, etc... do it with people LOCALLY! What makes YOU so special?

      Steve
      I don't agree. 95% of our clients are Americans and most of them are serviced by our staff in Pakistan without any issues. And many of those clients have stuck with us for the last 2 years.

      I really do not think politics has anything to do with this.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by YasirYar View Post

        This one made me smile :-)



        I don't agree. 95% of our clients are Americans and most of them are serviced by our staff in Pakistan without any issues. And many of those clients have stuck with us for the last 2 years.

        I really do not think politics has anything to do with this.
        Well, your name means you COULD be from pakistan, but your address says you are now in canada. That means you are a little different. NOT because you are in canada, but because you would consider living in such a place.

        As for politics, I never mentioned politics. It isn't even really religion. It s CULTURE! YEAH, the religion may affect that and politics, and politics may affect it and religion may, but it is not religion or politics.

        SO, was I saying you were ALL bad, or that all the country was? NOPE! Just that enough are bad that I would think someone would look elsewhere first.

        ALSO, I DID say the OP was partially responsible ALSO!

        Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author DenisBalitskiy
    Hey i am not from Pakistan, but if someone provided a bad service to you, it doesn't mean the rest of the Pakistanies will always do bad...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    So let me get this straight....

    You hired someone without any testing, any filtering, or an interview.

    And its THEM that suck?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lena Williams
    See, I cannot say the whole country is bad just after taking a look at one person. You are advising to stick in India and Philippines. You will see a lot of bad reviews about India and Philippines too. But they are well reputed in Freelancing. I can tell you, there are lot of Bangladeshi professionals who are really good too.
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    Good, I'm glad you got ripped off. That's what you get for paying peanuts.
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    I guess this was a taboo topic in other forum you posted this thread. It was deleted there.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    So the OP slates a whole country because of one person.

    At least he didn't generalize much, aye?

    I've outsourced to Pakastani workers before and had mostly fair or good results, with maybe one that wasn't too great. About the same for Philippines.

    The absolute worst outsourcer I ever used, without a doubt, $220 down the drain with nothing to show for it, was some guy from England.

    So, damn those English, they are horrible workers! I will never outsource anything to England again!

    See how stupid that sounds?
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  • Profile picture of the author techbul
    You should use Odesk, it's much better. Also, never accept to pay upfront.
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  • Profile picture of the author therichb
    Outsourcing to different country & to different cultures develops a gap between the service provider & the buyer making them disagree on several issues like work quality, timely delivery & work methodology.

    So be aware with the kind of work you like to get done !!!
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    Thanks for the advice, I have had some crazy experience not only with them but some in India as well. I realize soon enough that it is best to stick with the Phillipines, they are awesome, respectful and very very responsible.

    They are all looking for work so there is an abundance of writers out there who will be able to help you. Just need to do some research and find them! =-)

    -Will
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  • Profile picture of the author CBusiness
    what people don't realize outsources

    Many people we're hiring in Pakistan and wherever else, Theyfeed clients ideas to their companies and reproduce whatever they deem as successful a lot of times.

    Be careful of what / how you outsource
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason H
    JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT THIS UPDATE:

    I filed a claim through PayPal, but apparently due it being a nontangible item, PayPal can't get my money.

    Yes, I am the latest victim.

    This is a big lesson for me and a cautionary tale to anybody...NEVER use PayPal for non-tangible goods...that include paying for all these big marketing guru IM e-courses, online classes, or anything nonshippable.

    You would think PayPal offers you a peace of mind and protection...but they don't.

    You're still better off paying with your credit card. Your credit card has a better protection and also punishes the vendor.

    Now I question what's the point of using PayPal anymore, and why people use them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Paypal has always had that policy and it gets discussed in depth on this forum all the time. How can you expect Paypal to cover your mistakes and how are they meant to know you aren't telling porky-pies?

    You haven't acknowledged the comments here made in your own thread and then come in and deflect the attention to another service that has done you wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Why in the world would you pay upfront when you already had a reliable Escrow service to handle the payment transfer?
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  • Profile picture of the author gpwilson
    You can. But there are other good sites as well. You may post the same job in oDesk. I did. I have very good experience with Bangladeshi and Indian freelancer. I never work with Philippians freelancer. But i heard that they are good also. But it's just a bad story. Not all of them are not bad.
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