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A Loophole in the WSO section?

by Kay King
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If you bump a WSO, you must wait till it drops off the second page.

Does this rule apply to sellers who repost the same WSO in another thread?

Yes, they lose the comments - but when the comments are neutral or negative.....

kay
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    If you bump a WSO, you must wait till it drops off the second page.

    Does this rule apply to sellers who repost the same WSO in another thread?

    Yes, they lose the comments - but when the comments are neutral or negative.....

    kay
    Kay, you bring up an interesting point. Yes, if somebody launches a WSO and
    they get blasted, reposting could bring them a few extra sales without
    anybody knowing that it was already posted and didn't receive such a great
    reception.

    Now that you've brought it up, what do we do about it?

    I certainly have no clue.
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  • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    If you bump a WSO, you must wait till it drops off the second page.

    Does this rule apply to sellers who repost the same WSO in another thread?

    Yes, they lose the comments - but when the comments are neutral or negative.....

    kay
    Yes, it applies to sellers who repost the same WSO in another thread. Otherwise someone could just post 10 WSOs in a row, offering the same product in different threads.

    For my own WSOs, sometimes I bump the thread after page 2, and sometimes I start a new WSO after it's off the 2nd page. The reason I would start a new WSO, is to test different subjects...as you cannot change the subjects in the new forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane N
      Kay,

      Pretty much what Josh said.

      You can only bump OR repost your WSO after it is off of page 2. (Meaning on page 3 or further).

      The benefits of reposting instead of bumping are this:

      1. You can change your headline/subject

      2. Your WSO goes live instantly, instead of waiting for the bump approval.

      Disadvantages:

      1. Buyers won't know if the seller has had negative comments/reviews about that WSO previously.

      2. The WSO section can become full of reposts on the later pages.

      Who knows how long the rules will stay this way...I am sure Allen will figure out what's best.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
        I really miss the instant bumping from the old forum.

        A lot of success depends on timing, exactly when you're WSO re-appears after being bumped.

        Now this will obviously vary depending on part of the world you live in, but the manual approval just completely killed the timing aspect because you have to wait before it will appear again and you have no control when you're WSO will appear.

        So I think that's why a lot of people are just posting as a new WSO so they don't have to wait for a bump and have it appear at a time when they don't want it to, as well as been automatically pushed down the page when the whole group of WSO's are batched approved.

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        • Profile picture of the author Tamer
          Hey Key,
          Thanks for bringing this into attention... but it doesn't need much asking.

          The rule says that you can "bump" the WSO after it goes out of the 2nd page.

          So, if someone is promoting the same product (even with different subject and/or different body in the thread), and calling it "new thread" instead of "bumped thread" then he/she is [playing games].

          I would recommend to report his/her/their thread(s).

          My $0.02
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by timtim2500 View Post

            Hey Key,
            Thanks for bringing this into attention... but it doesn't need much asking.

            The rule says that you can "bump" the WSO after it goes out of the 2nd page.

            So, if someone is promoting the same product (even with different subject and/or different body in the thread), and calling it "new thread" instead of "bumped thread" then he/she is [playing games].

            I would recommend to report his/her/their thread(s).

            My $0.02
            Tamer
            Tim, no offense, but before bumping was even allowed (something a lot
            of people think shouldn't be) you were allowed to repost your WSO once
            it was off the second page. So why now all of a sudden when bumping
            IS allowed you SHOULDN'T be able to repost a WSO? Since when was
            that privilege taken away? I haven't read anywhere where it was.

            The reason I repost rather than use the bump feature is because quite
            honestly, the bump feature, even though it does retain all the testimonials,
            isn't all that great anymore. You can't get the WSO posted when you want
            which was one of the benefits of bumping in the first place. I don't mind
            losing the testimonials. I have enough of a rep here that I don't need them.
            I'd rather be able to post a WSO when I choose.

            Should reposting be disallowed officially, then fine. But as of right now, I
            don't see a problem with doing it as long as it's the same offer word for
            word as what you had originally, minus any things like available units (if
            a limited WSO) or price increases (if a WSO that has the price go up every
            so many sales)

            Bottom line is I don't see the problem with reposting as long as it's the
            same offer.
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          • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
            Originally Posted by timtim2500 View Post

            Hey Key,
            Thanks for bringing this into attention... but it doesn't need much asking.

            The rule says that you can "bump" the WSO after it goes out of the 2nd page.

            So, if someone is promoting the same product (even with different subject and/or different body in the thread), and calling it "new thread" instead of "bumped thread" then he/she is [playing games].

            I would recommend to report his/her/their thread(s).

            My $0.02
            Tamer
            That's not always fair. What if someone comes along and gives your WSO a low-star rating, without any negative comments; much the same way that people are coming along on Ezinearticles and giving Steven Wagenheim's articles a low rating for now reason?

            That happened with a WSO of mine. Now, I'm not sure what to do with it. Do I bump it to the top (all the comments on the two page thread are positive) and let the low rating show? Or do I post it again, "clean"? I personally don't think WSOs should be able to be "secretly rated". If someone has something to say, they should say it on the thread.

            Low rating could be anything, including a competitor's "sour grapes" outlook.
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            • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
              Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

              That's not always fair. What if someone comes along and gives your WSO a low-star rating, without any negative comments; much the same way that people are coming along on Ezinearticles and giving Steven Wagenheim's articles a low rating for now reason?

              That happened with a WSO of mine. Now, I'm not sure what to do with it. Do I bump it to the top (all the comments on the two page thread are positive) and let the low rating show? Or do I post it again, "clean"? I personally don't think WSOs should be able to be "secretly rated". If someone has something to say, they should say it on the thread.

              Low rating could be anything, including a competitor's "sour grapes" outlook.
              I agree with you Angela.

              I've seen this happen many times, especially with other marketers. It may not always be competitors that do it either. A lot of times it is simply marketers that do it out ofspite, or want to play games with you. I've been a victum myself on a few occassions.

              On another nore, didn't Allen do away with the rating system in the WSO section around the same time he nixed thw rep system? I know there was some discussion on it.


              Hey Steven,

              Sorry to hear that people have to use your articles to act out their childish behavior.


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              • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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                Originally Posted by mmurtha View Post


                On another nore, didn't Allen do away with the rating system in the WSO section around the same time he nixed thw rep system? I know there was some discussion on it.
                I don't think Allen did away with it Mary.
                You still see the occasional one rated.
                What he did do, was to stop people being able
                to rate their own WSO's.
                Hence the rapid drop.
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                • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
                  Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

                  I don't think Allen did away with it Mary.
                  You still see the occasional one rated.
                  What he did do, was to stop people being able
                  to rate their own WSO's.
                  Hence the rapid drop.
                  Hmm ... no Les, I didn't know that, but thanks!

                  And yeah, I agree with you. That would explain the drop in ratings.


                  Angela,

                  If what Les says is true (which I have no doubt), I'm sorry you were treated that way. But I would still only bump the better thread with out the low ratings.
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      • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
        Originally Posted by Shane Natan View Post

        The benefits of reposting instead of bumping are this:

        1. You can change your headline/subject
        Hey guys, just to let you know, you CAN edit the subject line in your posts. After you click to edit it, you'll see a little link there somewhere, I think it says "go to advanced" or something similar to that. Click that and it brings up another screen so you can edit the subject line and pretty much everything else about your post.

        I just found that out myself the other day by accident.

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        • Profile picture of the author Shane N
          Originally Posted by WritingMadwoman View Post

          Hey guys, just to let you know, you CAN edit the subject line in your posts. After you click to edit it, you'll see a little link there somewhere, I think it says "go to advanced" or something similar to that. Click that and it brings up another screen so you can edit the subject line and pretty much everything else about your post.

          I just found that out myself the other day by accident.

          Wendy
          Wendy,

          You can edit the subject line, HOWEVER, it doesn't change it on the main WSO forum where people browse the WSOs.

          It does change it for when you actually open the WSO and see the title in smaller font.

          Just so you know!

          Best,
          Shane
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Angela -

            I wasn't thinking of someone avoiding reposting of unfounded negatives that might have been posted in their WSO.

            Just think if seller chooses reposting rather than bumping (which he can do) he should still be held to the requirement that his first WSO posted be off the second page.

            kay
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            • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              Angela -

              I wasn't thinking of someone avoiding reposting of unfounded negatives that might have been posted in their WSO.

              Just think if seller chooses reposting rather than bumping (which he can do) he should still be held to the requirement that his first WSO posted be off the second page.

              kay
              Yeah, I totally agree with this, Kay. I just brought up a different viewpoint when I saw somebody on this thread say that if we see someone posting the same WSO (the implication was that it was, indeed, off page 2), they should be "reported". I have a great (I think! ) WSO with two full pages of positive comments. Yet~an 'unknown' gave it a low rating for some reason. Should I be "reported" for posting a 'clean' copy of the WSO after the original one has fallen off of page 2? I don't think so.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I agree with you - and have noticed several people posting in the WSO threads - without apparently knowing anything about the WSO.

                kay
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