On the surface this should work

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So a buddy of mine took some info I gave him and ran with it.

In short, he direct linked to a clickbank product and got a few sales.

I took his method, shrank my link so I could track traffic and did the same, direct linking to the clickbank product.

Now

That one action which literally took maybe 30 minutes to setup can easily be replicated 5 or 10 times an hour.

Ok so that single action was free by the way, and netted 27 bucks.

Based on his numbers and the fact that I got a sale as well it seems that I could expect atleast an average of one sale per action.

So

I spend alot of time reading about IM and I know that this "direct link" method is not the way to go.

A better way to go would be to setup a squeeze page, offer them some free info related to their niche, then follow up with an offer that then takes them to the clickbank product. Then continue feeding them valuable info related to their niche and occassionally making more offers.

Once I start using that method, I should see an increase in what each of those original actions produce right?

Then, I start to play with several niches as well utilizing the same strategy.

Now I ran some numbers and it's pretty impressive what could be accomplished if each of those original actions just produced 25 bucks.

Without a ton of effort I could do that an average of 40 times a day which is 1200 actions a month with is 30k!

So can someone tell me what's wrong with my logic here?

Why shouldn't I quit the day job right this second and head down this path?

Anyone?
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  • Profile picture of the author SerpSlayer
    You can't really make long term projections off of one conversion. You got one conversion. Great! It shows potential, now take action and see how it plays out.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Your right and in theory everything looks great.
    I always say don't keep all your eggs in one basket.
    See that one trick could go by the wayside tomorrow if one site changes there rules.
    One person could steal your content make there's better and out rank you.

    Nothing is stopping you from doing it though, So do it and make some money from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    If your one action relies on using someone else's site, what would you do if you quit your day job tomorrow and that site blocked you or your action the next day?

    Don't count on what isn't there yet until it's arrived. Sometimes, plans get messed up.

    But definitely keep doing what you're doing! Email marketing like you mentioned can increase your front end sales and give you a backend traffic source so you don't have to rely on sending traffic in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by dad2four View Post

    A better way to go would be to setup a squeeze page, offer them some free info related to their niche, then follow up with an offer that then takes them to the clickbank product. Then continue feeding them valuable info related to their niche and occassionally making more offers.
    That will be far better, indeed.

    For two compelling reasons: first, very few buy at their first visit to a CB sales page and opting them in is effectively a way to keep them returning to it, making far more sales; secondly a lot of the potential money from being a CB affiliate comes in the form of repeated sales to the same people (as long as your recommendations never let them down). I appreciate that you know all of this already.

    Every time I've split-tested it, myself, I've found that what's even better than that is to build a smaller, higher-quality, more responsive list without using a squeeze page at all. But that does mean having a "proper little website", which is slightly more labor-intensive. Only slightly - because you can put on it plenty of what you'd send out by email anyway. And it has some other advantages, too.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7939758

    Originally Posted by dad2four View Post

    Once I start using that method, I should see an increase in what each of those original actions produce right?
    Sure - in principle. As long as you can find enough suitable niches/products and clear every hurdle and don't go too wrong anywhere.

    Originally Posted by dad2four View Post

    Without a ton of effort I could do that an average of 40 times a day which is 1200 actions a month with is 30k!
    Well, I think it tends not to work out that way ... not quickly, anyway.

    Originally Posted by dad2four View Post

    So can someone tell me what's wrong with my logic here?
    Not reliably, without a much longer and more detailed conversation, no.

    But if you're asking whether it's possible to scale up a fairly simple "CB affiliate system" and produce that kind of income level, clearly it is, and actually (as CB will sometimes confirm, pretty openly, depending on who you're chatting to there) more people are doing that than many people here expect/imagine.

    Originally Posted by dad2four View Post

    Why shouldn't I quit the day job right this second and head down this path?
    I don't know ... you tell me? Because the majority of people who try to do this don't ever manage it? Because you have family commitments (and quite a few of them by the sound of it?!) and need complete security of income, and should be earning more than your salary for a minimum of each of 6 consecutive months before thinking about that? Because it might not work out for a combination of unpredicted and unpredictable reasons? (I never had this problem, because I've never had a "job" in the first place, so I had nothing to lose, and I strongly suspect that that makes it a lot easier?! ).

    Can you more-than-replace your day-job income by being a CB affiliate? Yes, probably, unless you're a successful trader with Goldman Sachs, or something. Will you? We don't know. But I'll be wishing you good luck in trying.
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  • Profile picture of the author dad2four
    Hi Victor, thanks for your contribution to the keeping me grounded voice on my left shoulder. So far the one on my right shoulder is losing big time. hehe
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
    Originally Posted by dad2four View Post

    Without a ton of effort I could do that an average of 40 times a day which is 1200 actions a month with is 30k!

    So can someone tell me what's wrong with my logic here?
    No way to make any meaningful comments about your logic without knowing exactly what your "method" is. Care to elaborate on it?

    Originally Posted by dad2four View Post

    Why shouldn't I quit the day job right this second and head down this path?
    Me personally, I would want to test the method for several months in a row, and be 100% confident that the "method" would be sustainable over the long run, before I even thought about quitting a good day job.

    And even then, I wouldn't want to rely only on that one method for all of my income. Things can change fast online, so it's best to always have multiple (different) sources of online income coming in. That way, if one "method" stops working, you have others to fall back on.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Yes if you could tell me your idea step by step I could get a better sense of it. Come on trust me I won't steal it. Honestly I won't.
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    • Profile picture of the author dad2four
      Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

      Yes if you could tell me your idea step by step I could get a better sense of it. Come on trust me I won't steal it. Honestly I won't.
      Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

      No way to make any meaningful comments about your logic without knowing exactly what your "method" is. Care to elaborate on it?
      Hustlin and Brandon

      Nothing revolutionary here. Pretty basic stuff. I'm just setting up a shrunk link which takes the user to a clickbank product and dropping the link on site where users are searching for gigs and jobs.

      But it worked for me once and him four times on five posts. Seems consistent enough for me.

      Now long term it would not be my plan, however it could pay the bills while I get all of my other dreams moving and free me up from this 50 hour grind I call a dayjob sitting in a windowless box. :-)

      My challenge is time. I get up early, work all day, spend a few hours with the wife and kids in the evening than my motivation is shot.

      I know I'm no different than 90% of those out here all wanting to accomplsh the same.

      I just need to find something that I can grind out as say half my day that will produce enough to sustain then work on other methods for the the icing on top.

      Like coding stuff which, as came out of a previous thread I started, is what will most likely be the most valuable skill I have the ability to utilize to provide value to the world.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
        Originally Posted by dad2four View Post

        Nothing revolutionary here. Pretty basic stuff. I'm just setting up a shrunk link which takes the user to a clickbank product and dropping the link on site where users are searching for gigs and jobs.
        Sounds like you're relying on a lot of things that you don't control in order to make money with this method. What happens if the high converting product you're promoting on CB goes away, and all the other CB products in that niche don't convert near as well? What happens if the websites that you post your links on get tired of you posting your affiliate links on them, and then ban you? Or what happens if the traffic to these sites dry up and they become a lot less popular? (which could happen literally overnight with a single Google algorithm change).

        While it sounds like your method may have some potential right now, there are just too many "what ifs" with this method to risk quitting a good job over, in my opinion. But there's nothing to keep you from continuing to do it on the side. And if it looks like it would be worth it, you can always outsource the work and scale it up.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Brandon is totally right ^^^^ of course: you need to be in control of as many aspects of the business as you possibly can be (especially if you want to give up a day-job for it!).

          Ideally, one wants to be in the position, with this sort of business, where the only dramatic disaster you're ever likely to encounter is ClickBank disappearing tomorrow. Ok, this isn't reasonably foreseeable in any sense, of course, and if it did happen, the vendors of all the products you're promoting (ideally as many different ones as possible/practicable) wouldn't want to lose their businesses and many would pretty quickly offer them elsewhere, without losing all their affiliates, so the downside is perhaps limited ...
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  • Profile picture of the author dad2four
    As always Alexa, you are the best.

    You have taught me well that a squeeze page is not the way to go. I used the term incorrectly to, describe getting visitors on a list rather than using direct linking.

    I'm also aware that the method of traffic generation I should be using is to assemble a network of blogs and websites that are hungry for my content that I feed them regularly which contains links back to my site so that I am not reliant on google or anyone elses site for traffic. This quick and dirty stuff is just so irresistible.

    Yes that darn income and responsibility thing. More words for the voice on my left shoulder, heavy sigh.
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  • Profile picture of the author Romeo90
    Just stop thinking about it, stop deliberating about it, stop writing about it.

    Like someone once said

    'If you only think about asking that pretty blonde out who is stood at the bar, then one thing is for certain; she will never go out with you'

    Just go and scale up and go do it, and come back in a months time and let us know how it went.

    Good luck!
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