Dear Promoters of WSO's.....

I'd say it's more then "false scarcity"....if you plan on coming on the WSO section and your headline reads last bump.....and it continues 2 bump....your WSO should be removed for FRAUD.

Vince

LOL....so do I. I've been reading their headlines over and over.....:Last Bump etc.




VV

True. As do I.


VV

I know EXACTLY who you mean. There was also a $4,000 'gift' in there if you stayed to the end.

In fact, there was no gift at all.

These should be banned...

I treat this forum like a forum. As such, I opine on different subjects and threads for the mere sake of opining, dog in the fight or not. What I see here is much ado about nothing. Further, concerning the two questioning moderation and a lack thereof, I concur with attaching words like 'ungrateful' to much of this.

I am not prone to moderator ass kissing and have no problems openly disagreeing with mods in threads, but gimme a break on this stuff. I don't know and am not asking, but I hope like hell Paul gets some type of financial compensation for his work here. This is one of the busiest forums on the internet, and anyone taking on the task that Paul does damn near has a full time job with it all, at times.

VegasVince, one of the problems with accusing someone of being a liar, or a FRAUD, as it were, is that to be 100% certain of that to state it as fact is that you also need to be a mind reader. Maybe the person is a bit touched and keeps changing their mind. Not probable, but possible. Sure, we all know, in the assumptive sort of way, but to take action like that off of assumptions can become less black and white.

You portray the 'wise guy' thing in one of your WSOs. Follow that line back across the ocean, linguistically, and you end up with nice phrases like, Caveat Emptor.

There is nothing wrong with all of us, WF owner included, acknowledging that to be a fact of life and a wise adage. That includes EVERY marketplace, and to demand the WF be the one place that manages to make that Latin phrase meaningless is unrealistic and ungrateful, IMO.

Are you referring to the 3 month old WSO of yours with this graphic?:

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Neither am I, which is where all that adoin' I mentioned comes into play. While you may argue the methods differ and that someone is crossing the line, well, Vince, I gotta tell ya buddy. This Mountain Tick knucklehead doesn't see any difference in what you are doing and what you are complaining about.

The "Last Bump" and "Limited Time" copy are designed and implemented to do the exact same thing. Hell, you even bump that copy up a notch by making it a big, red graphic, complete with arrows pointing towards this:

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Where you do a couple things. You change colors to green, taking advantage of the social conventions we have (most notably stoplights), where green means "GO!!!". Further, you have changed to first person in the text, so a person reading it has to read 'I'. You do this in an attempt to subtly convince your potential customers that it is indeed they that have made the decision to give you money, umm ... I mean ... YES! Vince I Am Ready To Start Raking In My Own Profits Exploiting Barter. You won't even write, in your copy, YES! Vince, I am ready to give you money for your product, you convinced me. No talk of money, don't think about it - just do it; green means go, afterall.

Those two graphics, and the associated copy are designed to achieve the same thing - Induce a feeling of urgency and potential loss. Better act now, customer, for if you wait until tomorrow, you may be SOL. BUY NOW!, for this is a Limited Time offer ... errr ... this is the Last Bump.

I am not saying either one of you are doing anything morally or ethically wrong, but I gotta tell ya Vince, I don't see any real difference in what you are complaining about and what you are doing yourself.

And VegasVince, it's real, real easy to prove me wrong on that - all ya gotta do is be transparent and forthright with your potential customers and actually put a date on that limited offer. To let them know how much time they have to decide whether or not they want to give you money ... err ... Rake In Profits Exploiting (this word is very intentionally chosen and is copy-code for generating a sense and feeling of Easy Money/Get Rich Quick in a potential customer) Barter.

But you will not add that piece of information to your WSO, to let your customers know your intentions with 'how long they have before they are screwed and missed the Golden Goose'. Well, unless it now becomes a matter of cutting yer nose to spite your face now.

Just a little of the pot calling the kettle black and some undue and, indeed, ungrateful, shots being taken at mods and site owners, implying a complete lack of capabilities and ethics.

False scarcity happens all the time. I don't agree with it. When you see it, report it to the mods. Taking things into your own hands will almost always end badly.

Vince, If we can prove it, it WILL be removed. We don't comment on why things are removed, generally, but we know.

Tim, Allen (note the spelling) has allowed you to use this place to raise money for your health issues. I have personally run interference for months with people who bitched about the posts being bumped over and over. A lot of the members have put their reps on the line to help you out. And you spout this baseless garbage in response?

I am sick to death of people who think it's okay to leech off Allen's work for their own benefit while slamming him with ridiculous and unfounded comments like this.

Leave before you're removed, you ungrateful [edited].

Yeah. That's how I really feel about it.

Vince, Report problems, they get dealt with. Bitch without reporting, they usually won't.

Make snarky comments like this without some specifics in reports, and you're just another freaking troll.

I loved ya, Vinnie. Right up until this.

chuckles, Say good night, Gracie. Second time is permanent.

Change in policy, goys and birls: You have a problem with a specific offer, report it. We'll do what we always do. Check into it and deal with it according to policy.

If you just want to gripe about imagined things without any basis or specifics, go away. BS generic shots at Allen in his house will just get deleted from now on.

That comment from Tim Pears upthread is all the proof I need to know that we've been way too freaking tolerant for way too freaking long. And if you have a problem with that...

Too. Damned. Bad.


Paul

Without a "qualifier" attached to "last bump, such as "last bump for this month" or whatever, then last bump means last bump. Trying to suggest otherwise only serves to rationalize and justify deceit.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I know exactly how many I've sold and how many are left at any time. If I somehow sold more than the limit, which would have to happen with me away from the computer, I'd refund sales beyond the limit and then pull the offer. This ain't that hard, man.

Totally agree. This is something I live by online and offline in my everyday life. Instead of dramatizing a situation... fix it.

My family has a tendency to do this all the time (the holiday season is a prime example)! Maybe that's why I'm so sensitive to it...

While I am not doubting that Vince is a stand up guy and has a good product I think the issue being raised about his signature is that it currently says...

"Best Selling" "Most Critically Acclaimed"

Not saying I have an issue with it - but it does raise some eyebrows. I did visit the sales page and I didn't see enough social proof that I would feel comfortable making the same type of statement for my own product.

But again that doesn't make it wrong - he might have won an award from a trade magazine or something and hasn't updated the sales page (or I missed it).

Cheers,
Coby

Greetings. If I may ask, when and where can his radio show be found? TYVM. Cheers. - Frank