My observation about this board

agmccall

11 years ago

To clarify

Please provide links to some examples of what you mean, then maybe a answer can be provided

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Tobi Obermaier 11 years ago

Originally Posted by agmccall

Please provide links to some examples of what you mean

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...community.html
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ing-lines.html
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8600236
And many more.

I feel like talking to a wall on this board. And I realized this pattern in other threads of other people aswell.
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11 years ago

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11 years ago

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

What you are seeing is "paint by numbers" forum marketing...

Find an active forum.
Find active posts, especially when you can be the first answer.
Leave an answer.
Show your signature.
Move on.

Nowhere are they taught that they should actually participate in a conversation.

The same basic procedure is taught for blog commenting.

They don't understand that the way to build a brand and build authority is to participate and demonstrate that authority, even if it is for their own self-serving reasons.

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Tobi Obermaier

11 years ago

Thanks John. So how do I find people who are genuinely interested in helping me?

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Rbtmarshall 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

Thanks John. So how do I find people who are genuinely interested in helping me?

you won't

you can learn about marketing online here. but it's a market in itself full of many scheisters selling information with the sole intent filling you with false hope to get your money.
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- Tobi Obermaier 11 years ago
  
  Rbtmarshall, why are you here then?
  
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  Rbtmarshall 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier
  
  Rbtmarshall, why are you here then?
  
  like I said in the message you replied to, there is plenty to lean here. But don't look for help from people in particular. That will most likely lead to you being pitched some sort of coaching or buying into some sort of program that you do not need to be paying for.
  
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  marc@clickbitz 11 years ago
  
  People don't always follow a thread carefully. You are basically asking how can you get people to invest more time and energy in your solving your problems without offering them anything in return. I answer PMs whenever I see them but you've got to set realistic expectations for a public forum... first be happy that you are getting some useful responses!
  
  Paying for help is the best way to get the kind of attention you want. Of course, finding help worth paying for is a new problem to deal with!
  
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butters 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

Thanks John. So how do I find people who are genuinely interested in helping me?

Read what they wrote, put into action what they tell you to do, if it works, they helped you. Or look at how long they have been here (On the left hand side), Thanks on the left hand side could also be an indication.
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salegurus

11 years ago

Good answer from John, in addition you could also say that....

A good proportion of the people answering specific questions do so with a basic understanding of the topic in question. Therefore they leave generic answers seen a hundred times before that don't do much to help the OP...

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

What you are seeing is "paint by numbers" forum marketing...

Find an active forum.
Find active posts, especially when you can be the first answer.
Leave an answer.
Show your signature.
Move on.

Nowhere are they taught that they should actually participate in a conversation.

The same basic procedure is taught for blog commenting.

They don't understand that the way to build a brand and build authority is to participate and demonstrate that authority, even if it is for their own self-serving reasons.

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Kay King 11 years ago

Reality check here - look at your own method of participation. Could it be your expectations that are out of line

Your only participation in this forum since you joined is demanding answers in threads you started about your own business.

Several of your posts are rude replies to people who didn't answer as you wanted. You seem to expect coaching by PM on demand and when a few have seriously tried to post useful answers you have argued with the answers line by line.

Your questions are detailed but don't always make sense - how can anyone tell you what your niche is or what your keywords should be when all they know is you have "a business" or "a search engine"?

When every answer people give is met with yet another question from you post after post....they stop trying to help. If you look back at the posts you've made you might see the "attitude" others are responding to.

You won't like my answer - but it's meant to help. If your posts are demanding, rude, argumentative - people who can help won't bother to try.

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- Tobi Obermaier 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  If your posts are demanding, rude, argumentative - people who can help won't bother to try.
  
  How would you phrase my questions? Be precise please.
  
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Arina 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

So how do I find people who are genuinely interested in helping me?

you help others
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DWolfe

11 years ago

This is a very active forum, people don't have the time to stay here all day long and answer every thread. It is difficult to follow up on every post.

You can watch a new thread put up on the main forum, and in a few hours it is on page two or three. If you are waiting for clarification to your question the person may not even know it. I'm not speaking for everyone here, but some people abuse the private messages so they get ignored.

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Tobi Obermaier 11 years ago

DWolfe, so what is your suggestion to get useful replies to follow up questions then?
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- DWolfe 11 years ago
  
  That's very hard to figure out. I read your post in the first thread you posted about your marketing. SteveB and the guy above him wrote you a decent reply to your question. I don't know if they are logged on or if you sent them a pm. Maybe ask a follow up question in that thread and maybe they will chime in or some one else can help you.
  
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loaf1011

11 years ago

I know some other forum software has Facebook-like notifications. I think that would be extremely helpful for improving ongoing conversations!

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GamerZag

11 years ago

There is a tremendous amount of automation, outsource created, and bot content on these forums. That is why. This is why a LOT of users on these forums have pictures that are stolen from Facebook, online dating websites, etc.

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rickmor

11 years ago

One of the issues may be (in addition to the above mentioned reason) that they don't know that you have responded and are awaiting a response. As an example of this, I have never received an email from this forum indicating that someone has responded to my question. Most other forums, if I created a thread or responded to a thread, I am automatically subscribed to that thread and receive notifications of updates to subscribed threads by email. On the Warrior, this never seems to happen. Maybe its just me thats not getting notified. Maybe I don't have a setting set correctly, although i have looked pretty close at all my settings and if it is this hard to get notified that a thread has been replied to for me, then I would bet there are others out there that are not getting notified that a thread has been responded to. When I want to see if a thread has been responded to, I have to go search for the thread using the search feature (if I remember to) and then drill down into the thread to see. Like I said, maybe its just me, I'm certainly not the sharpest tack in the box, but if I can't get notified I would bet there are others not getting notified also.

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by rickmor

One of the issues may be (in addition to the above mentioned reason) that they don't know that you have responded and are awaiting a response. As an example of this, I have never received an email from this forum indicating that someone has responded to my question. Most other forums, if I created a thread or responded to a thread, I am automatically subscribed to that thread and receive notifications of updates to subscribed threads by email. On the Warrior, this never seems to happen. Maybe its just me thats not getting notified. Maybe I don't have a setting set correctly, although i have looked pretty close at all my settings and if it is this hard to get notified that a thread has been replied to for me, then I would bet there are others out there that are not getting notified that a thread has been responded to. When I want to see if a thread has been responded to, I have to go search for the thread using the search feature (if I remember to) and then drill down into the thread to see. Like I said, maybe its just me, I'm certainly not the sharpest tack in the box, but if I can't get notified I would bet there are others not getting notified also.

Open your user control panel and select 'Edit Options'. Part way down the page is a box for subscription options. The default value is 'no email notifications'. You can change that to either stop subscribing you to threads you start or participate in or a variety of email notifications varying from instantly to weekly.

If you're logged in, you can see which threads you subscribe to have new posts by going to

Code:

http://warriorforum.com/subscriptions.php

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In addition, you can choose to subscribe to individual threads even if you haven't posted in them. Just click the "Thread Tools" tab at the top of the thread and select "Subscribe to thread."

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Kate Smith

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

I realized frequently here that people ask questions, these questions get answered quickly, which is good.

But if there are follow-ups to clarify, questions regarding the answers, in most cases the authors don't reply. If on the other hand a new topic is being created, those people who didn't reply to the follow-up questions are again the first to answer, so they are on this board and choose to be the first to reply with not always clear replies.

Finally PMs with follow-up questions are usually not being replied to.

Why is that so?

To the questions on the board that you know an answer to, how many times have you answered it?

These board are a 2 way street. If you browse through here and can answer some questions yourself, that would also help.

When I come on here I am often seeing people critical of the board as a whole, but most people are trying to answer the best they can.

It's much easier to point out the flaws, but harder to be a part of the solution.

Kate

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Jeff Schuman

11 years ago

You may want to pay a little bit of money and find a private mentor to give you the personal attention you are looking for. This could be an individual or even a private members only forum in a program you join.

I have always found members in the Warrior Forum to be very helpful, but I understand they are busy with full time jobs, online businesses, family etc. and the free time they generously donate can only go so far.

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Tobi Obermaier

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeff Schuman

You may want to pay a little bit of money and find a private mentor to give you the personal attention you are looking for. This could be an individual or even a private members only forum in a program you join.

I have always found members in the Warrior Forum to be very helpful, but I understand they are busy with full time jobs, online businesses, family etc. and the free time they generously donate can only go so far.

I would pay money for someone to look over my site and tell me what to improve regarding social media. But I want to do most of it myself to not be dependent. But how do I find someone being competent(and not just claiming to be) in my niche "business directories"? How do I verify his expertise?

PS: Person needs to understand german as my platform is in german.

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Mark Singletary

11 years ago

My observations about this board are:

1. Those that do their best to add value build better relationships, establish a better reputation, and get better answers.

2. Just about everyone can add value if they are willing. For example a CPA knows a lot about business that would help a lot of people whether their business was mainly online or brick and mortar. A student may be able to add encouragement to someone having a hard day. A stay at home mom may can add her two cents about whether a website is attractive to her and what she would do to improve it. Even if she isn't an expert on web design she's probably seen enough "good" websites to help someone out a little.

3. A lot of advice given on here is baseless and worthless. That's one reason to get involved so we can get to know who knows what and who can help with what.

4. For the most part, laziness isn't rewarded. For example, searching through the forum search function or through Google would be a good first step before asking any question.

5. Those with very few posts and very little contribution are the ones that scream the loudest about the unhelpful nature of the rest of us.

6. Those of us with a few years under our belt may get unwound too and raise our voices every now and again but we normally quickly control ourselves because we know the value offered here and don't want to lose it.

7. Idiocy normally isn't tolerated very well. Having a signature file touting big bucks with the push of a button doesn't go very well with a post asking how to get traffic or complaining about not having any money.

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Kate Smith

11 years ago

The better question to ask yourself the next time this comes up is:

How can I help more people?

Instead of:

Why don't more people help me?

You will probably get a much better response.

Kate

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Tobi Obermaier

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kate Smith

The better question to ask yourself the next time this comes up is:

How can I help more people?

Instead of:

Why don't more people help me?

You will probably get a much better response.

Kate

I need to be qualified to do this. And the very reason I am asking here is that I am not. I will not give another of those low quality replies that I despise myself in this thread just to come across as "trying to help".

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Sinistar

11 years ago

There needs to be more subforums on here.

Every time I post a thread, I get 2 responses before the thread drops to the bottom like a rock because there are dozens of threads created after those initial responses.

If you break this site up into more sub forums, you can get rid of this problem.

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Tobi Obermaier 11 years ago

How to proceed?
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- marketingva 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier
  
  How to proceed?
  
  How to proceed with what? I've been reading this thread and looked at a few of the threads you mentioned in your original post.
  
  This is an internet marketing forum. You won't find a business coach or consultant with a specialty in business directories or in German here... or at least I don't think you will. Your best option is to search Google for a consultant who works with people like you, check their references and then hire them.
  
  You may be using the wrong forum to find the information you need.
  
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- Mark Singletary 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier
  
  How to proceed?
  
  I think this question sums up the reason you and others feel ignored.
  
  1. Too much time has elapsed since the first post. Many of us have reasons to not still be following this thread closely such as we've moved on emotionally, helped others in other threads, went on vacation, got sick, think this is boring, think you are ungrateful for the help you've already received, etc. People just can't monitor a thread for days and weeks on end waiting to help you or me or anyone else.
  
  2. This thread has had 438 views and 29 responses. It's not like thousands of people are ignoring you. This is actually a pretty good ratio I think considering many other complaint type threads.
  
  3. Several people here HAVE helped you whether you realize it or not. The question now is have you acted on what has been taught? Have you searched the forums and the internet for your own answer? Have you given value in any way, shape, or form to others these last couple days while you are waiting for people to answer your complaints about others not helping you? Have you reached out to start building relationships with people that can help you? My guess is that you've done none of these or very little of it but still expect people to help you out and solve your business problems.
  
  4. If you had a brick and mortar business and had a question about something, was willing to pay for help but didn't know who in your town to trust how would you go about finding out? I submit that the same process works online. Have you done that?
  
  5. You say "I would pay money for someone to look over my site and tell me what to improve regarding social media. But I want to do most of it myself to not be dependent." What have you done to find out yourself how to fix your site if you truly want to be dependent? There are many products and services that are available. If you don't trust WSOs or online products then go to your bookstore and buy a hardcopy of a book by someone that seems more trustworthy.
  
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  Kay King 11 years ago
  
  Every time I post a thread, I get 2 responses before the thread drops to the bottom like a rock because there are dozens of threads created after those initial responses.
  
  That's simply not correct. You've had good answers to your questions - and more than 2 answers in your threads.
  
  You have not thanked a single person who took the time to answer your questions. Instead you either post more questions in the thread or you don't again at all.
  
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- lotsofsnow 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier
  
  How to proceed?
  
  Well, your best bet is to post a thread in the section Wanted - Members Looking To Hire You. Costs a few dollars but usually you'll get more than enough replies.
  
  Now, as far as your requirement with German: Das it nicht ganz einfach. Die meisten Leute hier sprechen kein Deutsch.
  
  But you can give it a try. Whip up a nice post, pay your 5 bucks and see what happens.
  
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Rod Cortez

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

I realized frequently here that people ask questions, these questions get answered quickly, which is good.

But if there are follow-ups to clarify, questions regarding the answers, in most cases the authors don't reply. If on the other hand a new topic is being created, those people who didn't reply to the follow-up questions are again the first to answer, so they are on this board and choose to be the first to reply with not always clear replies.

John nailed it. Some posters do drive-by postings and may not follow the thread.

Some posters, like myself, will post where I think I can contribute, but I don't always monitor the threads I particpate in as many of my answers are one-shot postings (they don't require any follow up). That doesn't mean people won't more detail or have questions.

I have businesses to run and a staff to oversee, and an operations manager that I work closely with. So sometimes it's a matter of priorities and time management.

Finally PMs with follow-up questions are usually not being replied to.

Why is that so?

There are 3 types of PMs that I receive on a weekly basis:

* Spam
* People asking for help
* People asking for a JV

If I replied to every single PM from a person asking for help, I would never get my work done. That's just the reality; I have to prioritize whom I am going to respond to. If I receive a PM from a friend here or someone I've known for years or done business with in the past, their PM gets priority.

If a customer from one of my offerings contacts me that way, they get priority.

But if someone I don't know asks me for help or has a question, I will only respond if:

a. They were respectful
b. I have the time.

I know of some Warriors who NEVER respond to any of their PMs. Many of them have disabled the Private Messaging feature because of the dearth of messages they would get.

Sometimes it could be your approach, but sometimes it's not.

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BIG Mike

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...community.html
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ing-lines.html
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8600236
And many more.

I feel like talking to a wall on this board. And I realized this pattern in other threads of other people aswell.

I would imagine that people responding to your posts feel like they're talking to a wall too. You got some excellent answers to your questions in the posts you listed, but you either didn't like or understand the answers.

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

I realized frequently here that people ask questions, these questions get answered quickly, which is good.

But if there are follow-ups to clarify, questions regarding the answers, in most cases the authors don't reply. If on the other hand a new topic is being created, those people who didn't reply to the follow-up questions are again the first to answer, so they are on this board and choose to be the first to reply with not always clear replies.

Finally PMs with follow-up questions are usually not being replied to.

Why is that so?

I suspect you're missing the point of what this forum is all about - it's a "Discussion" forum, with voluntary participation by it's members. No one has an obligation to respond at all.

You seem to think that if you post a question, the answers you want will be forthcoming and members should drop what they're doing to respond and help you privately.

Great sense of entitlement there :rolleyes:

I turned off PM's for that very reason - if I'm going to answer a question, I'll do it in the forum where others can benefit, not just one person. And I'll only do it if I feel like it and have the time...not because someone is demanding I reply to them.

This isn't a "take me by the hand and build my business for me" forum. You post something, members discuss it, share their insights and experience and if you're smart, you can glean the information you're after from it.

You don't stomp your feet and say, "I need more replies to this".

Questions that don't have a clear, black and white answer aren't going to get one. What they're going to get are opinions, examples from personal experience and suggestions for you to try various methods.

In one post, John Taylor gave you a terrific answer to your question and you literally asked him to provide you with a bad answer using made up, "Ballpark" data that I guess you thought he should just pull out of his ass.

While individuals can and do benefit from participation here, this forum is intended to help the community as whole in a more general sense. You post a question, get answers and then others benefit from the discussion.

If you want a clear answer, then post questions with simple yes or no answers.

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johnben1444

11 years ago

Another thing is, aside asking questions and expecting getting replies to other questions popping up as a result of the first been asked, a good number of people might see it as going too far than what they are willing to give for FREE. Don't expect to be spoon fed.

Also, you must learn to search through the tons of threads already existing. There is a likelihood that your questions have been rehearsed over and over again.

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Tobi Obermaier

11 years ago

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

I didn't get a teaching how to fish. And I wasn't pointed to a school for fishing. What I am getting is on the level of "To fish, you just go out to the sea".

Nobody is in the place to claim that this was good advice - if you still do, you are trolling and not worth my time.

If you feel oh so entitled because your little company consumes so much of your time, why don't you give me information about books and courses that deal with my problem and have a genuine interest in helping?

Even if information is free I do not put up with everything. And neither do you, so don't be a hypocrite.

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BIG Mike

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

I didn't get a teaching how to fish. And I wasn't pointed to a school for fishing. What I am getting is on the level of "To fish, you just go out to the sea".

Nobody is in the place to claim that this was good advice - if you still do, you are trolling and not worth my time.

If you feel oh so entitled because your little company consumes so much of your time, why don't you give me information about books and courses that deal with my problem and have a genuine interest in helping?

Even if information is free I do not put up with everything. And neither do you, so don't be a hypocrite.

Since when did it become the forum's responsibility to feed you? :rolleyes:

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Jeff Lenney

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

I didn't get a teaching how to fish. And I wasn't pointed to a school for fishing. What I am getting is on the level of "To fish, you just go out to the sea".

Nobody is in the place to claim that this was good advice - if you still do, you are trolling and not worth my time.

If you feel oh so entitled because your little company consumes so much of your time, why don't you give me information about books and courses that deal with my problem and have a genuine interest in helping?

Even if information is free I do not put up with everything. And neither do you, so don't be a hypocrite.

hey Hitler - relax, NOBODY here owes you anything - let alone for free. What makes YOU "oh so entitled" and special?

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rrm

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

I didn't get a teaching how to fish. And I wasn't pointed to a school for fishing. What I am getting is on the level of "To fish, you just go out to the sea".

Nobody is in the place to claim that this was good advice - if you still do, you are trolling and not worth my time.

If you feel oh so entitled because your little company consumes so much of your time, why don't you give me information about books and courses that deal with my problem and have a genuine interest in helping?

Even if information is free I do not put up with everything. And neither do you, so don't be a hypocrite.

What is this, deja freakin' vous?

Interesting how I was on a thread (mine own) about, among other things, ungrateful warriors. It resonated with a lot of folks because it's just true.

(But that does not take away at all from the warriors, sellers and customers who do outstanding work and really do care. And they show some gratitude. I'd like to say "thank you" for all the time, help, and guidance I've gotten over the years, and to all those warriors that I might have had a small part in helping. I love being a part of the solution, whatever small way I can.)

Boss, I gotta say that I really stand in awe of you. How you can go all frigid in the face of all the helpful advice (and helpful critiques) you've been given so far during your term as warrior is an amazing testimony to the power of an arrogant mind.

If someone were to teach you exactly how to fish, as you say you want, you would complain that they did not come back later and give you some more teaching, or that you did not want crappie when you would rather have swordfish. Then you would complain that more warriors were not chartering the boat for you. Or that they did not give you some information about fishing books and courses. Your attitude is probably not redeemable at this point.

I guess my comment is not worth your time, since I'm "trolling" and because I did not throw in a tackle box or deep sea rod. Nobody here is obligated to teach you squat about fishing. Instead of cursing the darkness, accept, with gratitude, the light others are trying to shine your way. Learn humility first, then come back for fishing basics.

Gotta run. Since my little company consumes so much of my time, I'm entitled.

Ron

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BradVert2013

11 years ago

Originally Posted by rrm

What is this, deja freakin' vous?

Interesting how I was on a thread (mine own) about, among other things, ungrateful warriors. It resonated with a lot of folks because it's just true.

(But that does not take away at all from the warriors, sellers and customers who do outstanding work and really do care. And they show some gratitude. I'd like to say "thank you" for all the time, help, and guidance I've gotten over the years, and to all those warriors that I might have had a small part in helping. I love being a part of the solution, whatever small way I can.)

Boss, I gotta say that I really stand in awe of you. How you can go all frigid in the face of all the helpful advice (and helpful critiques) you've been given so far during your term as warrior is an amazing testimony to the power of an arrogant mind.

If someone were to teach you exactly how to fish, as you say you want, you would complain that they did not come back later and give you some more teaching, or that you did not want crappie when you would rather have swordfish. Then you would complain that more warriors were not chartering the boat for you. Or that they did not give you some information about fishing books and courses. Your attitude is probably not redeemable at this point.

I guess my comment is not worth your time, since I'm "trolling" and because I did not throw in a tackle box or deep sea rod. Nobody here is obligated to teach you squat about fishing. Instead of cursing the darkness, accept, with gratitude, the light others are trying to shine your way. Learn humility first, then come back for fishing basics.

Gotta run. Since my little company consumes so much of my time, I'm entitled.

Ron

I was actually thinking of your thread when I was reading this one. Lol.

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Jill Carpenter

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Tobi Obermaier

I would pay money for someone to look over my site and tell me what to improve regarding social media. But I want to do most of it myself to not be dependent. But how do I find someone being competent(and not just claiming to be) in my niche "business directories"? How do I verify his expertise?

PS: Person needs to understand german as my platform is in german.

I'm not sure why German people would have a different business directory?

Business directories are just business directories. German is just a different language. If it's a particular software written in German, then perhaps you need technical assistance? - not so much a business mentor.

This statement alone makes me confused as to what it is you really need help with.

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Jeff Lenney

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

I'm not sure why German people would have a different business directory?

Business directories are just business directories. German is just a different language. If it's a particular software written in German, then perhaps you need technical assistance? - not so much a business mentor.

This statement alone makes me confused as to what it is you really need help with.

I'll tell you what he needs help with Jill, a new (not "oh so entitled") attitude!

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Janice Sperry

11 years ago

Tobi,

You would be better off going to Kindle or to the WSO section and paying for a good training/instructional product. Unless you have the time and determination to search through past threads you will not learn everything you seem to need by asking questions here.

You don't learn to fish by asking questions one at a time at a forum of fishermen. You might learn some unique and specialized pointers but that is about it.

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JRJWrites

11 years ago

So Tobi, in essence, what you want is a group of people at your beck & call who will answer questions about your online business, provide advice, and help you make money online - all for free? And then you start criticizing THE most popular and helpful Internet marketing forum out there because you are too lazy to do actual research for your business yourself (research = 2-3 searches on Google and a couple clicks) - you'd rather have someone "point you in the right direction".

Not gonna happen.

Jeez, we're not gonna change your diapers and hold your hand throughout your IM journey.

Sheesh. Some people want the world handed to them on a silver platter without giving so much as a "thanks".

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solartime

11 years ago

The truth is that every single post on this thread thus far has been correct. You are correct Tobi that it seems many people are just posting away without giving any 'real' value. However it is also true that many are genuinely on here giving of their time and effort for free without anyone putting any money in their hands to do so.

There are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of posts and threads coming thru here on a regular basis. Because of that no one person will be able to spend too much time with any one individual as time would not allow. Also because of this great amount of threads and posts many questions have already been answered over and over again. And many people seeking answers just don't take enough time to give it a good searching through.

It has been recommended that you might want to find a personal mentor or coach to help you out with your specific needs. There must be plenty of them that are fluent in German. It's always best if one can enjoy what they do online. That becomes impossible when too much stress and frustration gets involved. Even if you don't realize it at first.

Maybe reconsidering spending a few dollars and a little time finding a German or bilingual (German/English) mentor might be the way to go after all.

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Irish802

11 years ago

This has not been my experience at all! I have asked questions 2 and 3 times and have always gotten responses. I love the Warrior Forum!

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BradVert2013

11 years ago

I'm guessing when you call someone's advice "useless," despite them giving it to you freely on a forum to help you, not many people are going to line up and hold your hand. This is what you wrote in response to one member's reply:

"Pure, Simple and useless advice."

Why would I waste my time helping you when this is your attitude?

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absolutelee

11 years ago

There are lots of different "levels" of forum. There's here. More focused Facebook groups. Paid forums. Hybrids. Etc. I personally don't expect one place to do everything. I just try to fit in wherever I am. Add value. I think you're trying to force a round peg into a square hole.

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Karen Blundell 11 years ago

here's how to get the help you want, Tobi:

treat others the way you want to be treated.
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- Meharis 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Karen Blundell
  
  here's how to get the help you want, Tobi:
  
  treat others the way you want to be treated.
  
  Karen Blundell,
  
  "treat others the way you want to be treated"
  Sorry, I don't think that would work.
  He already did it and badly.
  Maybe reading " How to win friends and influence people" may help him.
  
  Meharis
  
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Jeff Lenney

11 years ago

So tobi, how's that self entitlement treating you?

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Honestly, why would anyone want to answer you at all? They are not obligated to and when someone does and they receive an answer from you like this why would anyone bother?

Pure, Simple and useless advice.

You received a lot of good advice in that thread, but just kept saying, I need more replies.

Then another thread, you kept insisting on "numbers" instead of the detailed and thoughtful replies you were getting:

I am talking numbers

At least some ballpark figures to start with would be helpful.

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