Article on site or EZA first ?

15 years ago

This is what I do and it's worked really well for me:

- I post a summary of the article on my website.

Then...

- I post the article to EZA with a link back to the page where I posted my article.

This works really well when using keywords in the title of the article because then it adds link juice to your website page...for instance

My Dog an Old Friend Indeed - with link to

www. mydogbuddy. com/my-dog-an-old-friend-indeed.html

It's been working for me and my articles have well over 188,000 views and over 35,000 click thrus.

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searchguru 15 years ago

I agree that should be able to post on your blog and then Ezine but always thought that Ezine and other directories did not like that. .. so am still confused.

Allen unable to PM you as I don't have enough posts as well but am interested-thanks
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morwanneg

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JL Melvin

This is what I do and it's worked really well for me:

- I post a summary of the article on my website.

Then...

- I post the article to EZA with a link back to the page where I posted my article.

This works really well when using keywords in the title of the article because then it adds link juice to your website page...for instance

My Dog an Old Friend Indeed - with link to

www. mydogbuddy. com/my-dog-an-old-friend-indeed.html

It's been working for me and my articles have well over 188,000 views and over 35,000 click thrus.

Jeff

Hmmmm great tip. I'm trying this.

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- TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by anthony23
  
  great idea
  
  never thought of that
  
  You did not read thye entire thread did you ????? Only posting the summary on your site is still defeating the purpose of using your own unique content to benefit you and your site. You are not using your "own" content to it's full potential.
  
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itcoll 15 years ago

I post the article - about 5 points about the topic to EZA
The remaining 5 points are posted in my blog

So at the end of the article,i ask the visitor to visit my blog for other points.This way,the reader is made to click and get the other information.Let me know how you feel about my strategy.And this gets me around 20 percent click through.
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wiley1 15 years ago

That's a really good way of doing things. Thanks for the good information.

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Candace37 15 years ago

This is a linking concept that is brilliant. It's simple. It apparently works, and yet if we weren't having this discussion, we'd never have found out about it. Thanks!

P.S. And if it weren't for James mentioning this thread in another discussion, I never would have discovered all the reasons why articles should be listed on my own site first before giving them over to EZA.

Thanks. This forum is awesome.
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Allen Graves

15 years ago

PUT IT ON YOUR SITE FIRST!

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Kay King 15 years ago

I put it on my site first! I don't link back to the same article in my bio - but link to a complementary topic page of the site.

Occasionally it an article is very long - I'll put the long version on my site and a shorter version of the same article goes to article directories.

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GuerrillaIM 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

PUT IT ON YOUR SITE FIRST!

Allen Graves

I second this motion!
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PageOneWD

15 years ago

I just spent the last 4 hours reading this thread and it was just want I was looking for. As far as article do's & don'ts I am good now! Many of the myths you have dispelled were beliefs of mine for many years. Looking back I am not sure where those beliefs came from... Anyway, I have two questions...

1. You write an article, post it to your website, THEN submit it to the directories...
a. Do you want the article to link back to the matching article on your website or some other page, possibly both?

2. I have seen submitting to RSS feeds mentioned allot on the later pages of this thread. I went out and did some reading on this and there is allot of conflicting information on the proper was to do this. Is there a thread or resource on the WF that DOES have the correct information on RSS feeds? I just don't want to climb the wrong preverbal tree if you know what I mean.

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LynnM

15 years ago

Originally Posted by PageOneWD

You write an article, post it to your website, THEN submit it to the directories...
a. Do you want the article to link back to the matching article on your website or some other page, possibly both?

It's best to link back to a different page that contains another article, or something like an opt-in page.

Lynn

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gjedda63

15 years ago

Many thx guys and girl(s).. Iam so amazed of this forum,tons of people willing to share their knowledge in minutes. This is for sure a goldmine, hope I can be able to share some tips in the future.

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Zack Lim

15 years ago

Yeap, this forum is indeed excellent where we can learn many valuable internet marketing information.

Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it

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gianne2705 15 years ago

Any of the two will do but it is much good as everyone said here,put it on your site first.
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frans240 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zack Lim

Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it Zack

Can u please eleborate on said statement?? I would like to know what you mean by repurpose the content into another format and distribute it..

thanks ..really great forum by the way
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KristieDean

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zack Lim

Yeap, this forum is indeed excellent where we can learn many valuable internet marketing information.

Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it

Zack

Do you have any recommendations of the best ways to distribute it? Thanks!

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zoro 15 years ago

I recommend to put it on your site first
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jewin

15 years ago

Thats why I use Warrior Forum and not the other WF site.

Originally Posted by gjedda63

Many thx guys and girl(s).. Iam so amazed of this forum,tons of people willing to share their knowledge in minutes. This is for sure a goldmine, hope I can be able to share some tips in the future.

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Jon Alexander

15 years ago

if you make the article sufficiently unique between the 2 postings, it doesn't matter.

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Adrian Cooper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jon Alexander

if you make the article sufficiently unique between the 2 postings, it doesn't matter.

Yes.

Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.

I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.

Post a similar article on your site and/or other article directories, but modify it.

Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.

If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.

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JayXtreme

15 years ago

Hey Adrian...

How are you?

Just looking at your post there, I'm intrigued by your answers to the thread..

Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.

What makes you say this?...

All of my testing tells me otherwise, I find it extremely productive to re-use content in different sites and portals across the web.

Each platform/portal has it's own pro's and con's, so I find it fits with my business model (which, coincidentally, is working fantastically well for me), to re-publish content in various places....this allows me to utilise the search engine strength of each one.

In fact, if you publish plenty of good content on EzineArticles alone, you will often find that your content is re-published "as is" by other webmasters and internet marketers... all of which increases traffic through YOUR resource box.

The fact that thousands of Webmasters across the world, have a requirement for content that has already been published, seems to indicate that your whole logic on this subject is a little flawed, no?

I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.

Sure, you will get ranked and produced traffic from an article posted on EZA, providing it is well structured and valuable content... but it's a little unfair of you to tell people to post their content to EZA first, when this is a business damaging practice.

Your content is extremely valuable VRE, and should NEVER be given to any site other than your own before it is indexed.

Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.

You seem to have a misconception about duplicate content, it's not uncommon to have such a view on this. Marketing folk have been fed this bull for years and it has almost become a standard accepted rule.. when really, it's a myth.

You'd be doing yourself a huge favour in doing some research and testing. Get some numbers to verify your thoughts on this. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at your findings.

The Duplicate content "penalty" in the context you describe above is an absolute joke and by perpetuating such a myth, you could be hurting the business of someone who is in no position to to be hurt.

If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.

You appear to be stating the above as fact, when really, it isn't. Using the same articles on my site and EZA will NOT (in my experience) exclude the article on my site from Google...

And, I think there are many people here (myself included) who can compete with EZA, and we do it regularly.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, I don't mean it to come across as rude.. so I hope it doesn't.

I just like to make sure people don't read things and take them as facts if they aren't.

Peace

Jay

p.s. The above is only my opinion, an educated one, formed from the results I have gained after many diverse and varied tests when publishing content across the intranets

You can find my article submission steps and reasoning in this post on page 1 of this thread here

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Adrian Cooper

Yes.

Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.

I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.

Post a similar article on your site and/or other article directories, but modify it.

Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.

If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.

Adrian,
I will tell you the same thing.. stop giving bad advice when you do not know what you talk about... These things you state as fact are not facts at all. They my be your "opinion" and you have every right to your opinion but you need to state it as your "opinion".

It is obvious that you also did not read this entire thread because if you did you would not post such bogus bull crap.

James

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chrisnkay

15 years ago

I would have never guessed that putting on your site first would be the answer to this!

Thanks to everyone that answered with support!

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Easy Cash

15 years ago

As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.

You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Easy Cash

As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.

You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?

That's not true. EZA says that you can post the same article, you just have to have the same author. In fact, in the latest documentation I looked at they explicitly stated that a great way to use EZA was to repurpose your old content by taking articles from you blog that weren't in EZA and submitting them.

I've submitted several articles using that guidance and the only time I got dinged was when I put in an article that was from my site, but written and attributed to one of my writers, which wasn't the author name on my EZA account.

Craig

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mwoeppel1

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Easy Cash

As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.

False. i have several articles exactly the same on both sites.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mwoeppel1

False. i have several articles exactly the same on both sites.

I think this has already been answered but thank you for taking the time to do it again ...

Many get this false statement because the admin on eza's own forum tells you this. The forum admin has posted and said you must provide your article to eza first. This is another reason why I refuse to submit to eza anymore because I question those business tactics...

James

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mwoeppel1

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I think this has already been answered but thank you for taking the time to do it again ...

Many get this false statement because the admin on eza's own forum tells you this. The forum admin has posted and said you must provide your article to eza first. This is another reason why I refuse to submit to eza anymore because I question those business tactics...

James

Thanks James, I didn't realize this thread had over 7 pages until AFTER I posted.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Easy Cash

As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.

You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?

I have been doing this with no problem at all, I put all my articles on my blog first then EZA, My blog ranks well so both the articles fight for top positions on certain keywords, this is the "only" problem i have with submitting the same article to both my site and EZA

Jason

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Revolves

15 years ago

I believe the only pre-requisite for submitting article to EZA (apart from quality) is that you should own the full copyrights to it. I've seen many people say they put articles on their site first. So "Easy Cash", I don't think you should have a problem with that.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by alexlucky2007

How can you be sure that your site will get indexed first before EZA?

If you read the entire thread you would not have asked that.. Take the time read the thread and you may learn a few things..

James

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by ProductCreator

That's the problem with such a long thread. I'm considering posting a summary as I went through the entire thing last night before posting some new questions that occured to me.

Maybe it will deter the dumb questions, maybe not

I will answer every one of your questions below ...

- For mass syndication: to spin or not? I noticed someone (sorry it is hard to track names in a thread this size!) mentioned different niches have different factors and ultimately to test. I will, but are the results, on the whole, fairly comparable? Or can one niche show 10x the results from one method compared to the other?

It is your choice to spin or not it has nothing to do with niche. If you spin an article the proper way using the proper tool it will not even look like a spun article. There are benefits to spinning your articles though and some of those are: ability to pickup more publishers, incase at some time dupe content dos become real and you submitted spun articles, you have nothing to worry about. There are many many more reasons.

- Keywords: how many keywords to target in anchor url. Do you have a primary keyword? Do you have lesser secondary and longer tail keywords?

Again this is your choice, there is no set answer. This depends upon competition as well as many other factors. I do not always target the same keyword using the same anchor text. Maybe do 10 here for mykeyword1 and then 20 there for mykeyword2 and then switch back to keyword1 and etc..

- This being the case, what is your split between backlinking for primary versus secondary.

See above, there is no set answer as this depends upon competition. If you have 2 products and product 1 has huge competition where product 2 has low competition. Then it is obvious you want the majority to go to product1.

- What are your search, broad and phrase match targets for these keywords?

This is a personal preference and again there is no right answer as people will have different ways of doing things.

- Do you have full RSS feeds on your blogs/sites or just partial ones?

Your blog and/or site should have a Rss Feed, yes... But so does your articles on article directories, so does your bookmarking profiles.. Many Rss Feeds are set to show a limit of 20, 30, and etc .. This depends upon the site and how someone set it.

- On syndicated articles, do you link back to the original article (seems pointless to me for the reader, but deep linking is good for link juice), a different article on the site (with relevant ranking keyword) or the main home page (with primary keyword)?

On syndicated articles you should be linking to your money site but you could very well also link to your other related articles. This is something your should test as not all niches are going to give the same results. Personally myself I have linked to my main site and another article within the same article that has been syndicated.

- Is there any danger at all in simply taking my existing sites I've had for a couple of years and just posting everything on them to EZA or to any other directory (e.g. mass syndication)?

If it is of good quality and not junk PLR, there is no problem with this. You need to read all sites TOS and make sure you follow the TOS.

- Playing devil's advocate here, long ago I just took a ton of PLR that already existed out there and shoved it on one domain. Actually I did this for a few niches. Some got good traffic and some got zero. Why do you think this is and was the big "G" punishing me for the latter sites?

To many factors can play into this for anyone to be able to answer it properly. As for the Big G punishing someone, that does not happen unless you are doing something against the TOS.

- By the same reckoning, one could just stuff a Blogger blog with other people's directory articles and stick Adsense on it and it would get traffic? (still playing Devil's advocate!)

Some people do this and make a good amount of income. This is what syndication is all about. Site get free content (while keeping your resource in tact) and they add ads on the site to generate income.

- How much short term traffic can one expect from mass syndication to directories? And how does this compare to EZA only?

Syndication has nothing to do with short terms traffic... The entire idea is to get your site out there and get it noticed. This is part of branding your site / product. How much traffic depends upon many different factors and again nobody can answer this question. As for EZA - No Comment...

- The suggested strategy of installing a blog on the same domain with summaries. I do not like administering multiple blogs/dbs etc. I have now placed a limit on this. Is this an essential step to that plan? Is there an alternative?

This was one of my suggestions and it works perfectly, I know at least 20 people that have followed this and they are finally seeing some money coming in. You do not have to do this but it helps a great deal..

James

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hamburglar

15 years ago

How long does it take for the article to be put in ezine articles?

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chateauRedunet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by hamburglar

How long does it take for the article to be put in ezine articles?

Hi hamburglar;

From my limited experience:
Article 1 - 10; "Basic author level" I'm seeing 7 - 10 calendar days.
Article 11 - 25; "Basic Plus author level" I'm seeing 5-8 calendar days.
Article 25 +; I haven't gotten there yet, but from some quick scanning it appears 2-5 days. (Yell at me if I'm wrong, please!)

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Kesh247

15 years ago

Originally Posted by gjedda63

I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently.

Submit it to EZA first, then when it gets approved, you can put it on your site and submit it to other article directories.

You can also link each article back to your article on ezine article.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

OK guys - or those whoare saying to submit to EZA first, here's one question for you...

WHY?

Nobody has supplied a valid reason for submitting to EZA first. You just say to do it.

Of course, I didn't supply my reason for submitting to my site first either. LOL

But I have my reasons, ... the entire process is too long to type up here (plus, I don't want to waste my time because one of the mods is deleting all of my long posts without recourse anyway) - what are yours?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by alexa_s

Unfortunately, there seems to be an increasing proportion of misinformation in the forum at the moment from people whose opinions are rather strongly held but are not always based on accurate information (to put it politely).

Don't want to hijack the thread but OMG you are SO right. In the last 48 hours so many of the newer members are giving out advice that is just nonsense.

As for this OP issue, I can add my thumbs up with the few that are making any kind of sense in this thread. Always put your article on your site first. In fact, if you want a proper method for submitting articles, just read over JayXtreme's post.

And also please please PLEASE people, stop giving out advice that you must change/rework your articles before submitting them to Ezine. That is shite advice and leads people to repurpose work they may not wish to - taking time from their lives and efforts for a meaningless task. Article directories are like radio stations for your "songs". You wouldn't change a recording of your latest hit for every station that decides to play it yes?

Duplicate content is one of the most boring, redundant, and stubborn non-issues still causing paranoia in the IM world. It's like some kind of trippy Urban myth. The case has been closed eons ago by Google and by example. Telling someone to repurpose their work before submitting to sites is the same as telling someone to make sure they rub a cow's belly for luck. Rubbish.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by peter gibson

Don't want to hijack the thread but OMG you are SO right. In the last 48 hours so many of the newer members are giving out advice that is just nonsense.

As for this OP issue, I can add my thumbs up with the few that are making any kind of sense in this thread. Always put your article on your site first. In fact, if you want a proper method for submitting articles, just read over JayXtreme's post.

And also please please PLEASE people, stop giving out advice that you must change/rework your articles before submitting them to Ezine. That is ****e advice and leads people to repurpose work they may not wish to - taking time from their lives and efforts for a meaningless task. Article directories are like radio stations for your "songs". You wouldn't change a recording of your latest hit for every station that decides to play it yes?

Duplicate content is one of the most boring, redundant, and stubborn non-issues still causing paranoia in the IM world. It's like some kind of trippy Urban myth. The case has been closed eons ago by Google and by example. Telling someone to repurpose their work before submitting to sites is the same as telling someone to make sure they rub a cow's belly for luck. Rubbish.

Rant over

Think article directories like they are radio stations..Good analogy

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mrBERRYhimself 15 years ago

I've never tried posting on my site first then submitting to EZA...I usually do it the other way around but I may give it a try
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Kay King

15 years ago

I agree - WHY do people say submit to EZA first? Most likely it's because that's what they've done all along. It's good to question what you do and make sure there's a valid reason to do it that way.

As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.
You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?

That info is simply wrong. I do put the exact same article on my site and at EZA with no problem - and have done it for a long time. Yes, EZA requires original content - but it IS original because I wrote it.

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barbdear

15 years ago

I presume the folks who are posting the article first to their site are including their name as the author ... EZA doesn't care if the article has already been published -- as long as it is credited to the original author.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by barbdear

I presume the folks who are posting the article first to their site are including their name as the author ... EZA doesn't care if the article has already been published -- as long as it is credited to the original author.

Bingo. This is exactly why.

I have experienced the situation where I posted my article to ezine and couple other article directories and ezine rejected it because the signature on the other sites had a different author ( my alias ).

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gavin6 15 years ago

am interested in your process Allen but do not have enough posts yet, can you PM me please.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

I agree with Kay and Alexa - not just because they are cool, but because they are RIGHT! lol

I suggest going here and listening to this interview:

Summer Speaker Series 2009

Chris says right there in the interview that your articles only have to be original to you - doesn't matter if they are already published elsewhere - although he PERSONALLY prefers that you submit to EZA first.

I haven't had anyone take me up on my reasons...no PMs yet. :-(

Oh well - gotta go have a great Father's day now!!!!!!!!!

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ArticleFreak

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

I agree with Kay and Alexa - not just because they are cool, but because they are RIGHT! lol

I suggest going here and listening to this interview:

Summer Speaker Series 2009

Chris says right there in the interview that your articles only have to be original to you - doesn't matter if they are already published elsewhere - although he PERSONALLY prefers that you submit to EZA first.

I haven't had anyone take me up on my reasons...no PMs yet. :-(

Oh well - gotta go have a great Father's day now!!!!!!!!!

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crissanteiro

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

I agree with Kay and Alexa - not just
I suggest going here and listening to this interview:

Summer Speaker Series 2009

Chris says right there in the interview that your articles only have to be original to you - doesn't matter if they are already published elsewhere - although he PERSONALLY prefers that you submit to EZA first.

Allen

Allen: thank you for this info.

That helps me to know that your info came from Ezine articles itself.

I do always put articles on my blog first and then on Ezine so I can link back to my website on the author resource box. Then I list them on other directories.

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JayXtreme

15 years ago

Site first..

I'm almost bored of stressing this point, it was one of the big eye openers recently for customers of my own products... I helped a few people get around this issue and they now happily (and successfully) publish content to their own site first and then EZA...

Why o WHY would you give your content to a glorified made for adsense site before your own property?????.. (sorry Chris, I love EZA.. but I'm just bein' honest)

Here's what I do with each and every article I create:

Step 1: Publish it on my own website/property first <- this is essential, the content is YOURS.. do NOT give it to a directory first. Putting your content first on a glorified made for adsense site like a directory is marketing suicide, put it on your website first.

Step 2: Tweak it a little and publish it to Ezine Articles. I honestly don't tweak it that much but I like to anyway just so that it has some added flavour for distribution. Your goal with ezine is to get other directories to re-publish it too.

Step 3: Tweak and expand, using each of the main points for a squidoo module on a lens and build a squidoo lens around it. (hence my hundreds of lenses that turn profit for me). Squidoo lenses can be quick and highly profitable, once you get into the swing of creating them.

Step 4: Mass publish it wherever you like, use iSnare if you wish.. it's a good service... get that content spread around!!!!

This has served me now for years, and I can't even write articles that well.

Anything you hear about "duplicate content" rules is complete crap in most cases. The ONLY time duplicate content is an issue is when you have duplicates on the same domain.. like two pages that are mirroring each other on one domain.

You can find up to date clarification of this fact on the official google blog...

Peace

Jay

p.s. I'm not sayin' the above is the ONLY way to do it.. but I've been kicking around with this content for profits thing for a while now.. and I'm doin OK

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Lisa Gergets

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Site first..

I'm almost bored of stressing this point, it was one of the big eye openers recently for customers of my own products... I helped a few people get around this issue and they now happily (and successfully) publish content to their own site first and then EZA...

Why o WHY would you give your content to a glorified made for adsense site before your own property?????.. (sorry Chris, I love EZA.. but I'm just bein' honest)

Here's what I do with each and every article I create:

Step 1: Publish it on my own website/property first <- this is essential, the content is YOURS.. do NOT give it to a directory first. Putting your content first on a glorified made for adsense site like a directory is marketing suicide, put it on your website first.

Step 2: Tweak it a little and publish it to Ezine Articles. I honestly don't tweak it that much but I like to anyway just so that it has some added flavour for distribution. Your goal with ezine is to get other directories to re-publish it too.

Step 3: Tweak and expand, using each of the main points for a squidoo module on a lens and build a squidoo lens around it. (hence my hundreds of lenses that turn profit for me). Squidoo lenses can be quick and highly profitable, once you get into the swing of creating them.

Step 4: Mass publish it wherever you like, use iSnare if you wish.. it's a good service... get that content spread around!!!!

This has served me now for years, and I can't even write articles that well.

Anything you hear about "duplicate content" rules is complete crap in most cases. The ONLY time duplicate content is an issue is when you have duplicates on the same domain.. like two pages that are mirroring each other on one domain.

You can find up to date clarification of this fact on the official google blog...

Peace

Jay

p.s. I'm not sayin' the above is the ONLY way to do it.. but I've been kicking around with this content for profits thing for a while now.. and I'm doin OK

God damn I love this forum. I think I love you, too.

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Originally Posted by TinkerAndPo

God damn I love this forum. I think I love you, too.

Thank you.. it's always nice to be loved

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Teriss 15 years ago

Posting to your own site first an original article -unique and not posted elsewhere makes you the originator of the article by your post date. Write a similar article a few days later -on Ezine linking to your site and original article. The search engines follow the link back to your site and your not "giving away" your best content to ezine.

Google loves ezine-and their articles have stickiness while ranking high for your topic /and/or keyword. Ezine seems to always get top positions in Google's 1st page. So if both lead back to your site, er your sales page - that's a good thing right? This is what I was told a few yrs ago, don't know if this method has changed but it works for me.
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15 years ago

Great answers, Ps Allen,Idont have enough posts to Pm you...

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

- If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.

4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

- Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

9. Create a beautiful looking PDF from one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

- Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

10. As they say rinse and repeat....

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

I agree with a lot of the stuff James says below, but I have had slightly different experience. I figure I'll add to what he said to give you some options. And note, I'm not arguing against James' recommendations here - I'm just showing that we've had different experiences, but we both arrived at our techniques through TRYING stuff.

But before I get into answering in detail, I want to say that it's not really a before/after question when it comes to posting content. If you have a blog that you are posting to regularly, chances are, you can rank your article higher than any directory. If you have that, all you really want from the directory is a backlink. And for that, it'll still count even if it's the same article.

If you're a pure "bum" marketer and have no website of your own, sure, just put it right in the directory. If you do (and it's easy) no reason you should let someone else be the only one to get to put ads on your content.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

Like I said before, it really doesn't matter re: before or after, and in my opinion, it doesn't even have to be original. Use some logic and look at the facts.

1. You can post the same article to your own blog and a directory.
2. You can get your blog to outrank the directory.
3. It doesn't matter which is posted before the other - you can prove this to yourself pretty easily.

With that in mind, I don't know why people don't realize that you can just re-publish articles from the directories on your blogs that you DIDN'T write, and you'll get good results.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

I do this too, though I use blogger and wordpress.org to post snippets to that link back to my main page.

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3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

- If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.[/QUOTE]

I haven't done clipmarks, but definitely agree with doing the above. Ping the article page on the directory too. Comment on the article in the directory too if you can, and link back there as well. (I guess that makes less sense if it's your own article, but if you're republishing someone else's it's the perfect opportunity for a backlink.

I also have a pet theory that if you have 2 copies of an article, and one only one way links to the other, Google might think the linkee is the original. Since all articles from directories require you to include the free link back to them, counter that with your comment link from the directory back to you. It may have no actual effect re: the perceived provenance of the article, but links are good, so.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

Or if you're really lazy, don't change it at all. Changing it a little bit probably helps though. I don't always spin, and I certainly don't keep a close enough eye to know what percent change I hit when I do. My recommendation: get away with as little work as possible.

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5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

Yeah, good stuff here. Also, look for blogs/other sites that have posted the same or similar articles to yours and post comments there too. Since you're already doing little re-writes of the article, you should have fodder to make at least a few comments on related blogs too while you're at it.

I like doing this as well as directory posting, because it actually has a chance of getting you some organic hits, some niche equity AND you get the backlink love, too.

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6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

- Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

Agree. Crosslinking is good stuff. If you have some juice, don't forget to spread it to the places you link to yourself FROM. Link building pro bono for places that link to you is an often overlooked tactic. At a minimum, if I find a place that's linking to me, I'll ping em, and if they have a feed, I'll make a fresh comment, then submit that feed url around to aggregator sites too.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

Yep and yep.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

Yeah again. I don't use any distro services, but my custom solution does re-post this way, where variants and unique excerpts get pushed to various web 2.0 sites to coincide with the release of the main article on the flagship blog.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

9. Create a beautiful looking PDF of one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

I need to do more of this. I make PDFs, but I usually just give them away as list builders or list equity.

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10. As they say rinse and repeat....

James

Amen and AMEN! Figure out what you want to do, systematize it into basic steps, and then just do them over and over. Determine a quit/break point - decide how long you will continue without adjusting the plan - decide what means failure, what means adjustment, and what means you quit and try something else. Then stick to your guns.

For example, I want to increase my blog portfolio from 75 to 250 by the end of the year. I have a method that's already working, so I'm expanding it and scaling it way up. But to do it, I need to be in a full-on building phase, so I've set a baseline, and I will build and build and build until I hit that goal. Only then will I go back and analyze and tweak and adjust as necessary.

Anyway, it's a long ramble, but I was feeling like avoiding building another blog for the moment, so I hope it helps someone. Thanks for the awesome post James!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

- If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.

4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

- Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

9. Create a beautiful looking PDF from one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

- Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

10. As they say rinse and repeat....

James

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TinkerAndPo

I think I love you.

Well it's always nice to be loved...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Well it's always nice to be loved...

James

I love him more

And Keith TOTALLY ROCKS TOO!

Thank you guys!!

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badfun

15 years ago

I know it has already been said in all the responses, but not neccesarily clearly enough. So here it is again:

First, you want to build content on your site before you start to promote it. It will take your site a lot longer to get indexed than Ezinearticles will.

Second, the article you send to Ezinearticles MUST BE DIFFERENT than the article on your site, even if just reorganized a bit and worded differently in places. Otherwise, it will be considered duplicate content and Ezinearticles will be considered the original, so your site will not get the ranking credit.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by badfun

I know it has already been said in all the responses, but not neccesarily clearly enough. So here it is again:

First, you want to build content on your site before you start to promote it. It will take your site a lot longer to get indexed than Ezinearticles will.

Second, the article you send to Ezinearticles MUST BE DIFFERENT than the article on your site, even if just reorganized a bit and worded differently in places. Otherwise, it will be considered duplicate content and Ezinearticles will be considered the original, so your site will not get the ranking credit.

brent

Brent,
I am sorry but this is false information and this is the exact same thing many of us have been saying over and over..

Duplicate Content "DOES NOT EXIST" it is a myth - Why do people not understand this. The fatser you remove the words "duplicate content" out of your thinking the faster you will make money.

You should post to your site first because it is your content and you can have your site in the search engines a great deal faster than EZA. You can have any site in google within 15 minutes, this also has already been proven over and over. It does not take weeks or months like many self proclaimed experts try to say, many say this because they want to sell you their crappy search engine ranking submitter that does the dishes too...

You can submit the same article to EZA if you wish, you do not need to changeit at all... You can if you want but this is not required. Just understand that their are benefits to having spun articles..

I hope that was said clear enough

James

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by badfun

I know it has already been said in all the responses, but not neccesarily clearly enough. So here it is again:

First, you want to build content on your site before you start to promote it. It will take your site a lot longer to get indexed than Ezinearticles will.

Second, the article you send to Ezinearticles MUST BE DIFFERENT than the article on your site, even if just reorganized a bit and worded differently in places. Otherwise, it will be considered duplicate content and Ezinearticles will be considered the original, so your site will not get the ranking credit.

brent

I've highlighted the part in your reply that is just utterly BAD advice. I have close to 1000 articles on EZA now, and guess what? They are the exact same articles on Articlesbase, Goarticles, my site, other people's site, e.t.c...

Read through this thread and the virtually countless numbers of others, wherein it has been shown BY example, WITH PROOF, and by the testimonials of almost 15 senior marketers AND DIRECTORY OWNERS that what you are saying is nonsense.

As opposed to coming into this forum with advice that can harm, how about you guys just go ahead and try it for yourself. You will quickly see that all that time wasted re-purposing articles could have been better spent finding a new niche, developing a new list, or getting backlinks.

I swear James, this debate is bordering on paranormal. It seems as if the voice of God could swoop in here and lay down the facts and still people will come back time and again with this nonsense.

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by alexa_s

People just will not do this!

LOL, I'm afraid this totally right. I suspect that many people "already know they're right" (i.e. in the face of all the contrary evidence) and don't read most of these threads in which all the evidence is neatly set out for them; so it's just a never-ending conversation. And when this thread's too old for it, it will just be another new thread instead. People will believe what they want to believe, ultimately. :rolleyes:

Too true Alexa. I guess that's why there are successful marketers, and those who will be back at WF in 6 months time complaining that they haven't made a dime - and then have the nerve to blame the advice they never took in the first place. :confused:

This is easy!

Put the article on your site and just reword it before you submit to ezine!

I rest my case. :rolleyes:

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by peter gibson

I swear James, this debate is bordering on paranormal. It seems as if the voice of God could swoop in here and lay down the facts and still people will come back time and again with this nonsense.

You got that right Peter .... It is really amazing how everything is set out for people in a step by step system but yet they fail because they just do not want to read. They are more focused on "thinking" they are "right" and posting their "bad advice" vs reading the actual hard core truth from people that do give great advice.

I think society has become way too lazy with all this new technology like text messages, automation on this and that, and etc... When you can not even take 10 minutes to read a thread but you rather spend 30 minutes giving out bad advice, you know something is wrong - Terribly Wrong!

James

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kenjitay

15 years ago

For me, it is always to post on your site first. While some of the reasons has been added by Allen, James and Keith, without going into technical detail, I guess it only makes sense that ezine is getting high PR because of fresh content submitter by us everyday...

In other words, we are the ones helping ezine get their ranking... though I do love ezine Alot, still it does not make sense to use your content and idea to help build "other people's business". Instead, you should use your articles build your own business, then use it to spread your product/service around...

Another thing is.. Even if your articles gets indexed and listed by Google, You still have to take into account about your resource box click through rate... even if you receive 40% click through... a very high rate indeed.. you are still getting 4 out of 10 traffic vs your own article, your own website/blog which gets 10 out of 10..

As for duplicate content.. It IS a myth... lets put it in a rather vague way.. how do Google know who is the original producer ? Google is a bot who only does indexing, a bot. What is Google's concern is only showing up 10 similar content on first page... and the only fair way is, as much as it can, it will try to show one... they will not just go around penalising people... ask - if someone stole my content.. am i getting faulted too ? That would be a long long debate then wouldn't it...

anyway.. who started this whole dup content thing ? It has been around long enough and should just die down man...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by kenjitay

For me, it is always to post on your site first. While some of the reasons has been added by Allen, James and Keith, without going into technical detail, I guess it only makes sense that ezine is getting high PR because of fresh content submitter by us everyday...

In other words, we are the ones helping ezine get their ranking... though I do love ezine Alot, still it does not make sense to use your content and idea to help build "other people's business". Instead, you should use your articles build your own business, then use it to spread your product/service around...

Exactly.... It is sooooo easy to outrank EZA, I do not understand why people do not get that. Big Deal they are a "Authority Site" .. Who cares, do they make me my living online ??? NO!!! The fact is everyone that post all that fresh new content and build "ALL" their backlinks to EZA are the ones that make it an authority site and also are the ones losing out big time on sales.

The fact is they have your article plastered with google ads and this is not a bash on EZA. In defense of EZA I will say that some other articles directories are even worse with all their Banner Ads, OTO's during Registration, IM Ads for crappy ebooks, google ads in many places and etc..

Personally for myself I actually got 3 times the traffic from articledashboard vs EZA using the same exact articles but then again I get 10 times the traffic vs EZA using MyArticleNetwork (which is not free but proves the point that free is not always a good thing).

There are so many things article directories could do to generate income without plastering your articles with google ads, sorry but that is the hard core truth. Now some say "Well, I expect them to google ads as they must support the site"... Well for those that think that way I feel sorry for you because you have no idea on the sales you lose...

Originally Posted by kenjitay

As for duplicate content.. It IS a myth... lets put it in a rather vague way.. how do Google know who is the original producer ? Google is a bot who only does indexing, a bot. What is Google's concern is only showing up 10 similar content on first page... and the only fair way is, as much as it can, it will try to show one... they will not just go around penalising people... ask - if someone stole my content.. am i getting faulted too ? That would be a long long debate then wouldn't it...

anyway.. who started this whole dup content thing ? It has been around long enough and should just die down man...

=P

Again 100% correct - GoogleBot is just that, a Bot! It reads text and nothing more. It does not know or even care what came first, it does not know or even care what host you are on (unless google itself has you blacklisted).. Nobodt and I do mean nobody will ever fully understand google but somethings you just got to use the mind god gave you and think.

Now with all that said, understand my post.. I am not in anyway saying you should not post to article directories but use your head. Posting to sites such as EZA and building all your backlinks to those articles only is one of the biggest mistake you can ever make in your business...

You should post to article directories but only after you post to your site and build those links to your site (without article directories) once done then you can post to hundreds of article directories. Stop wasting your time wondering what the freaking PR is of this site and that site, just post to it because PR means very little and also understand the Big G is not the only search engine and NO they do not own 85% of search traffic as some self proclaimed experts say.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Exactly.... It is sooooo easy to outrank EZA, I do not understand why people do not get that. Big Deal they are a "Authority Site" .. Who cares, do they make me my living online ??? NO!!!

I thought I'd repeat this and bold it... you know it's gonna need sayin' again.. real soon anyways, it's not long before some wise, EZA lovin' soul comes in to ask about it without reading the thread

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

I thought I'd repeat this and bold it... you know it's gonna need sayin' again.. real soon anyways, it's not long before some wise, EZA lovin' soul comes in to ask about it without reading the thread

LOL ... Well Jay, truth is the truth ....

Exactly.... It is sooooo easy to outrank EZA, I do not understand why people do not get that. Big Deal they are a "Authority Site" .. Who cares, do they make me my living online ??? NO!!!

I have no problem outranking a EZA article and my authors that post on my article directory also outrank EZA. Huge difference is though unlike many article directories I actually advertise my authors articles, I mean I advertise their actual article url...

But fact is and this has been posted with proof several time.. An author can post a article and I can have it listed in google with top listing in 10 minutes even if the same exact article has already been posted live on EZA...

Will EZA advertise your article for you as an author ????? Simple, NO!!!

James

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txconx 15 years ago

I'll join the lovefest for JayXtreme and TheRichJerksNet.
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C A Perez

15 years ago

First of all, WOW.
I just reached my 10 article limit at EA. I have to wait for them to say it's OK to submit more articles. So in the mean time, I thought that I'd check out WF to see if anyone knew anything about multiple submissions. I'm here linked from another post that I was reading on multiple submissions. I think James told the OP to come here and read the entire post. I jumped on it.

From a blog discussion at EA, I erroneously concluded that it would not be a good idea to submit my articles to multiple sites. That somehow EA would reject my articles and, since they were the 'authority', my multiple submissions would be found out and I would be banned from EA. Or worse, Google and other search engines would tag me as a spammer and I would be banned from the Internet!

What an eye opener this has been! I think I love these guys too! Don't get the wrong idea. I've been married 45years with lots of grankids to prove it.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by C A Perez

First of all, WOW.
I just reached my 10 article limit at EA. I have to wait for them to say it's OK to submit more articles. So in the mean time, I thought that I'd check out WF to see if anyone knew anything about multiple submissions. I'm here linked from another post that I was reading on multiple submissions. I think James told the OP to come here and read the entire post. I jumped on it.

From a blog discussion at EA, I erroneously concluded that it would not be a good idea to submit my articles to multiple sites. That somehow EA would reject my articles and, since they were the 'authority', my multiple submissions would be found out and I would be banned from EA. Or worse, Google and other search engines would tag me as a spammer and I would be banned from the Internet!

What an eye opener this has been! I think I love these guys too! Don't get the wrong idea. I've been married 45years with lots of grankids to prove it.

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Carlos

That is the entire point here, many are mislead by so called experts and even some that are self proclaimed experts that really are nothing more than fraud... This is why keith, Jay, Peter, and Myself have answered post over and over because frankly I am tired of the so called experts feeding a bunch of rubbish to people that blindly follow them thinking they are experts...

We have posted proven methods here that are facts and not some little test we decided to do on the whim. Some have pointed out the post or thread is a joke and while I may respect someone else for being a writer for years I do NOT respect the trampling over someone elses thread thread that has helped many people.

I am glad you see now that you will not be banned and your site will not go down just because you decide to spread "YOUR" content around to other places. EZA is not the king of the hill and they certainly are not the ones I would give my content to.

James

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mentorondemand 15 years ago

What a great informative thread.

When i first started reading I thought
hey let me show them the way, however
i must say I got more from just reading
and listening.

Thanks to all the great advise
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achivement84 15 years ago

If your article is long , i agree the opinion to put a short summary about it on EZA and link it to your main article page in your site.Also it doesn`t matter to post it to your website .
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degcommunications

15 years ago

I personally believe it's best to have 2 separate articles. This gives you a chance to rank your site and your marketing methods on the first page of google giving you a chance to grab them at your site or funnel them to your site via articles.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by degcommunications

I personally believe it's best to have 2 separate articles. This gives you a chance to rank your site and your marketing methods on the first page of google giving you a chance to grab them at your site or funnel them to your site via articles.

:rolleyes:

And the cycle continues.....lol

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

:rolleyes:

And the cycle continues.....lol

Yeah I noticed .. Instead of taking the time to read the thread and learn and then maybe share or ask questions. They just read the first post and respond.. It's truly amazing!

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sikaz

15 years ago

What l do is to first make a post on my site then re-write it and send to EZA.

You see,perchance EZA might not accept your article,having it on your site
means that your effort is not in vain.

How about that?

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birdie28a

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sikaz

What l do is to first make a post on my site then re-write it and send to EZA.

You see,perchance EZA might not accept your article,having it on your site
means that your effort is not in vain.

How about that?

That is exactly what I do and it seem to work for me just fine.

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StarkContrast 15 years ago

And silly me, I didn't know until very recently that you could even have it on both your own site and EZA. I need to be more careful about reading the fine print....
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mavensophie

15 years ago

My mentor says: your blog first, and only then any article directory. Google looks at the age of the article, and if your blog's date precedes the other dates, then your blog post is considered the original, and you'll get a better rating that the other way around, when you would look like another me-too marketer

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mikeevee

15 years ago

Great thread! It should be core reading for anyone interested in article marketing.

I have just finished reading the whole of this awesome thread. I've already started to put in place new practices, such as posting first to my own site.

Previously I wrote articles and submitted to EZA, but never added them to my own site. Now I am adding everything to my site first, and of course am only writing quality articles too. I added Wordpress to a subdirectory of my site which makes it much much quicker to post my articles.

One thing I would like to ask about. On another forum site I use a regular poster called fathom posted this (I assume it is OK to quote him)

I wouldn't submit to any.
1. Your article has to get crawled to be of any value

2. Your article (if crawled) gets an equal share of whatever link juice is available... the thing is - "what's available?"

3. Supplemental results prevents pages of low PageRank from passing link juice
The chance of getting any link juice from any article submission portals is about 0.0% to 0.01%

If you are writing articles about "dogs" - find great dog sites to submit your articles to... then the potential for returns is significantly better.

If they reject you because your information isn't up to snuff... that's the point... "free isn't worth much".

1. All pages that have very little or no PageRank are assigned to supplemental results.

2. All pages assigned to supplemental results do not pass any link juice... 0, none, nothing, zilch, zip.

3. So check all your articles in all of the article submission sites and find all those PR4 (PR4 and above you can be sure are not in supplemental)... PR3 most won't be supplemental, PR2 probably half are supplemental, PR1 most are supplemental, and PR0 are all supplemental...

All supplemental pages DO NOT PASS LINK JUICE

To test - add dlwyfd6dm3pdjd9r4 link anchor to articles you submit to submission sites... if juice is passed to a page that doesn't have that reference on it... it will rank... you will find only the page with the link anchor will rank.

Hence - nothing to passed... hence you wasted alot of writing, alot of copy, and alot of time on something that does nothing.

Traffic? ...1 not so targeted visitor a year isn't viable traffic.

He is arguing that it is pointless to post articles to article sites for the link juice, because even though they will point to your site they pass no link juice at all.

I know link juice isn't the only reason to post articles, but for me it is a big one.

Sorry for the long post and quote. I just am very keen to hear what the wise people of this post think about these supplemental results.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

All I have to say is every word he posted is so full of crap that it is really sick to know some actually may follow him....

James

Originally Posted by mikeevee

Great thread! It should be core reading for anyone interested in article marketing.

I have just finished reading the whole of this awesome thread. I've already started to put in place new practices, such as posting first to my own site.

Previously I wrote articles and submitted to EZA, but never added them to my own site. Now I am adding everything to my site first, and of course am only writing quality articles too. I added Wordpress to a subdirectory of my site which makes it much much quicker to post my articles.

One thing I would like to ask about. On another forum site I use a regular poster called fathom posted this (I assume it is OK to quote him)

He is arguing that it is pointless to post articles to article sites for the link juice, because even though they will point to your site they pass no link juice at all.

I know link juice isn't the only reason to post articles, but for me it is a big one.

Sorry for the long post and quote. I just am very keen to hear what the wise people of this post think about these supplemental results.

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JohnMcCabe 15 years ago

Mikeevee, one quick question...

Does your buddy fathom happen to be promoting an alternate link building program, service or course?
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  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe
  
  Mikeevee, one quick question...
  
  Does your buddy fathom happen to be promoting an alternate link building program, service or course?
  
  No - He doesnt seem to be. There's no links in his post or his footer. Normally I would have discounted him immediately, esp after reading through all 14 pages of this thread. But he has a post count of over 2000 so I reasoned, perhaps mistakenly, that maybe he knew something I didn't.
  
  Well I'm off to test my new article approach based on what's in this thread.
  
  Thanks all the time to put the common misconceptions around dup content to rest.
  
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truepers

15 years ago

So the motto of this story is?

Provide good, original, useful content, and you will be loved by beautiful ladies (or gentlemen, as the case may be).

On a serious note, a great thread, extremely helpful. Better than a well conceived ebook. Better than most of the stuff on TV. Thank you all.

I understand the value of EZA and article directories, particularly for getting backlinks to your site, and most especially when you're getting a new site off the ground. So initially, sounds like a good idea. But I prefer the idea of growing my own site, rather than someone else's. More satisfying. Sort of like making improvements to your home rather than your landlord's building. Add value to your own property - the incentive makes the drudge work more tolerable.

In the long run, are you better off renting or owning?

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mentor4u 15 years ago

Hello
I answered in a similar thread yesterday.
My wife is a Platinum expert author at ezinearticles.com

What we do on ALL our sites is post the article on our site first.
Than submit to ezinearticles first.
Since we are the original author and the resource box goes to that
site ezinearticles will accept the article.

That way we get the most google juice.
As long as the 2 match ezine articles has no problem.

The last ten articles that came out in the last ten days from
ezinearticles are ALL on the first page of google.
since they are alexa 211 they have the most juice.
After they approve and publish the article than we submit to the top
50 article directories for more google juice.
So we go in number one
ezinearticles.com goes in number two
than all the other follow behind for additional backlinks.

So this is the actual real world example that all are on the first page
of google and most in the number one and two position.
We than continue to link to those articles to keep them on the first page
lots of google juice and money in our pockets.
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by truepers

But I prefer the idea of growing my own site, rather than someone else's. More satisfying. Sort of like making improvements to your home rather than your landlord's building. Add value to your own property - the incentive makes the drudge work more tolerable.

In the long run, are you better off renting or owning?

Exactly .... Oh I like you, welcome to the forums ...

James

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aidanjb1

15 years ago

Without a doubt put it on your site first and make sure its bookmarked by google. Otherwise your site will be considered duplicate content...

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by aidanjb1

Without a doubt put it on your site first and make sure its bookmarked by google. Otherwise your site will be considered duplicate content...

Duplicate Content is a Myth ... Wish I was paid 5 cents for everytime I said that ...

James

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mentor4u

15 years ago

James

If everyone paid me ten cents today, we both could retire.
I have a article on my site
ezinearticles.com has the same article
100 other sites have the exact same article
1000 sites take the article and put in on their sites.

so thousands of the EXACT same article and google
loves it and gives me lots of google juice and does not
penalize me...They just say it must be one good article.
Standing here with a cup for all my ten cents.

Don

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Duplicate Content is a Myth ... Wish I was paid 5 cents for everytime I said that ...

James

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patlondon

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mentor4u

James

If everyone paid me ten cents today, we both could retire.
I have a article on my site
ezinearticles.com has the same article
100 other sites have the exact same article
1000 sites take the article and put in on their sites.

so thousands of the EXACT same article and google
loves it and gives me lots of google juice and does not
penalize me...They just say it must be one good article.
Standing here with a cup for all my ten cents.

Don

and the person that gets the most links to that page with proper anchor text usually will win the rankings for that article even if they're not the one who wrote it in the first place...

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by patlondon

and the person that gets the most links to that page with proper anchor text usually will win the rankings for that article even if they're not the one who wrote it in the first place...

No actually that is wrong.. the articles have his link in it leading back to his site and as such he will get the top listings because thousands are linking to his site. So unless that publisher really wants to try and get twice the amount of links to that one article then I am sorry they will not top rank the site itself that is getting thousands of links.

How many publishers you know that is going to spent the time on getting thousands of backlinks to that one article that links to someone elses site ???

James

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patlondon

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

No actually that is wrong.. the articles have his link in it leading back to his site and as such he will get the top listings because thousands are linking to his site. So unless that publisher really wants to try and get twice the amount of links to that one article then I am sorry they will not top rank the site itself that is getting thousands of links.

How many publishers you know that is going to spent the time on getting thousands of backlinks to that one article that links to someone elses site ???

James

I've used plenty of 3rd party content in my niches and got top rankings for that very article...outranking original author.

It may be that people don't realize that they really should link to the original article URL on their sites with proper anchor text in those resource boxes- but many people just use their main terms and link to the index page.

Happens all the time though..sorry.

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mentor4u

15 years ago

First let me say if you read my post on the other page
i link to the article url. We will use the example of the ten
articles that came out in the last ten days ALL sittng on page one
most #1 and #2. I use Angelas 30 site packet here in the warrior forum.
So i take 10 of her high PR authority sites and at each one i link to the article url and the site. this will keep the article on page one plus boost the site. One article does not make a site. I am confused on your statement that you outrank the original author. How do you know that..If you kept me and my site in the resource box that would benefit me more than you. Google knows who the original author is. So on my ten articles in the example Google knows i am the original author, than put out by ezinearticles.com, than the other 1000's. But i am in first place, Always, unless you do not install my resource box.

I thought this started out about a artilce on my site.
Don

Originally Posted by patlondon

I've used plenty of 3rd party content in my niches and got top rankings for that very article...outranking original author.

It may be that people don't realize that they really should link to the article URL in those resource boxes but go after links to only the index page.

It may be that my site has more authority then theirs in that niche..plus more incoming links in general.

Happens all the time though..sorry.

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patlondon 15 years ago

By adding link to your url, you're doing things right there, and by sending more links with right keyword text also. But Google will not always serve up the source of the content but the best version..the one that's optimized the best, on and off page...that's all I'm trying to say without stepping on any toes..
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mentor4u

First let me say if you read my post on the other page
i link to the article url. We will use the example of the ten
articles that came out in the last ten days ALL sittng on page one
most #1 and #2. I use Angelas 30 site packet here in the warrior forum.
So i take 10 of her high PR authority sites and at each one i link to the article url and the site. this will keep the article on page one plus boost the site. One article does not make a site. I am confused on your statement that you outrank the original author. How do you know that..If you kept me and my site in the resource box that would benefit me more than you. Google knows who the original author is. So on my ten articles in the example Google knows i am the original author, than put out by ezinearticles.com, than the other 1000's. But i am in first place, Always, unless you do not install my resource box.

I thought this started out about a artilce on my site.
Don

That was my point, no way he can outrank an author that is already getting thousands of backlinks. Unless he is cheating the system somehow (ie: removing resource links)....

Sure he can outrank an author that just slaps article out there and does nothing else, but I thought you already posted about building backlinks to your articles so I went by what you posted. Maybe patlondon just needs to learn to read the entire thread as I have told others...

James

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patlondon

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

That was my point, no way he can outrank an author that is already getting thousands of backlinks. Unless he is cheating the system somehow (ie: removing resource links)....

Sure he can outrank an author that just slaps article out there and does nothing else, but I thought you already posted about building backlinks to your articles so I went by what you posted. Maybe patlondon just needs to learn to read the entire thread as I have told others...

James

I'll try to do better in the future...and it's she

...and no I've never removed links from articles though I've had it happen to me quiet alot.

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gianne2705 15 years ago

Perfect answer Jay!We may have different ways on how to get things successful but it is the best answer to do with this situation.
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geolt7

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

- If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.

4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

- Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

9. Create a beautiful looking PDF from one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

- Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

10. As they say rinse and repeat....

James

Thanks man. I am going to try this out.

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by geolt7

Thanks man. I am going to try this out.

Great !!! Your welcome... Nice to see someone taking some action, that is what we want to see. Let us know your results after you have worked on the plan ...

James
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  Wow I've learned a lot from this thread! I've been under the impression that you should post an article to EZA because it has a higher likelihood of getting ranked. I figured that if I put an article on my site and then the same / similar article on EZA, the article on EZA would outrank my site. Does that make sense? Can someone shed some light on this because I think I've been doing this completely wrong.
  
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Thanks Keith ..

A few points to ponder also..

Now I use my own server instead of blogger but hey never hurts to test. On AP I actually have 2 blogs installed and the reason is this...

By posting summaries on the blog linking to the main article it helps increase you rankings of not only the site but that article also. So in this case by having the blog installed on my same domain it helps increase the rank of the main domain. This is something you miss out on by using blogger and not your own domain name.

Using your own domain you can also use sub-domains to install the blog on and when you create the sub-domain name use keywords. For example if I my main site is about wedding dresses then I would install a blog at wedding_dresses.mydomain.com (please note the underscore is just a habbit of mine, it is not needed).

Again testing is always good, for that matter it would not hurt to use blogger and your domain name both. Just make sure you always bookmark and submit feeds.

Spun articles - You do NOT need to spin your articles, please do not take my post the wrong way. This is NOT required but I suggest it for several reasons which I will list below. Before I do though let's please remember "Duplicate Content" is a myth, spinning articles have nothing to do with dup content.

Spin articles for these reasons

1. More publishers will pickup your articles and post them on their blog because they do like fresh content and not the same article that is posted on a million other blogs.

2. Spinning the article will give you a better chance at targeting other keywords that you may left out of the original.

3. Having different versions of the article posted on article directories, blogs, and etc looks more professional if you are trying to come accross as an expert in your niche. Posting the same article over and over and over just looks like blatant spam.

4. Spun articles give you a great chance to create mini blog post, pdf docs, short reports for list building, and etc.. The uses are almost unlimited.

5. We have no idea what the future holds and if you are posting to 50 article directories and have 50 different versions of your article then you are already prepared for what changes site owners or search engines may make a few years down the road. In otherwords it's best to be safe than sorry, if 25 of those article directories decide they no longer what dup content then guess what all your hard work goes out the window.. Unless ofcourse you was working smart and submitted spun articles.

Anyways great additions Keith ....

Now I feel like going and posting on my blog ...lol

James

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Thanks Keith ..

A few points to ponder also..

Now I use my own server instead of blogger but hey never hurts to test. On AP I actually have 2 blogs installed and the reason is this...

By posting summaries on the blog linking to the main article it helps increase you rankings of not only the site but that article also. So in this case by having the blog installed on my same domain it helps increase the rank of the main domain. This is something you miss out on by using blogger and not your own domain name.

You know, I actually AM doing this, but I don't do it with two blogs on the same domain.

One of the pieces I frequently use is an RSS plugin that will publish snippets from an RSS URL you specify. It's meant to be used in your template as a "related news" kind of thing, but I use it in my posts themselves, and I pull a feed from my own blog. I put it in the footer as "other stories you might like".

I may expand that concept a little more based on your reccommendations.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Using your own domain you can also use sub-domains to install the blog on and when you create the sub-domain name use keywords. For example if I my main site is about wedding dresses then I would install a blog at wedding_dresses.mydomain.com (please note the underscore is just a habbit of mine, it is not needed).

Again testing is always good, for that matter it would not hurt to use blogger and your domain name both. Just make sure you always bookmark and submit feeds.

Subdomains are cool too because they rank as unique domains. There's a WP plugin that lets you make subdomains auto-redirect to a specified page or category page. You just set up the subdomain in your domain admin, and configure it on the blog to tell it what you want it to point to.

I haven't tested that extensively yet, but I'm very excited about the possibilities there.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Spun articles - You do NOT need to spin your articles, please do not take my post the wrong way. This is NOT required but I suggest it for several reasons which I will list below. Before I do though let's please remember "Duplicate Content" is a myth, spinning articles have nothing to do with dup content.

Spin articles for these reasons

1. More publishers will pickup your articles and post them on their blog because they do like fresh content and not the same article that is posted on a million other blogs.

2. Spinning the article will give you a better chance at targeting other keywords that you may left out of the original.

3. Having different versions of the article posted on article directories, blogs, and etc looks more professional if you are trying to come accross as an expert in your niche. Posting the same article over and over and over just looks like blatant spam.

4. Spun articles give you a great chance to create mini blog post, pdf docs, short reports for list building, and etc.. The uses are almost unlimited.

5. We have no idea what the future holds and if you are posting to 50 article directories and have 50 different versions of your article then you are already prepared for what changes site owners or search engines may make a few years down the road. In otherwords it's best to be safe than sorry, if 25 of those article directories decide they no longer what dup content then guess what all your hard work goes out the window.. Unless ofcourse you was working smart and submitted spun articles.

Anyways great additions Keith ....

Now I feel like going and posting on my blog ...lol

James

That's some really interesting points there, and though I say I don't "spin" I guess I actually am, because nothing I re-post is identical to what it was when I got it. I always add some kind of custom header or footer, or image. In a way, that's a form of spinning even though I don't change the content itself.

As for the kind of spinning you describe, I have the capability of doing that in my system. Using StrayRandomQuotes, you can actually set up articles that can remix themselves at the time of publication, and will be unique every time you publish. Normally, this wouldn't be good for SEO as search spiders don't really like that kind of totally dynamic content, but I don't use this to publish via my live WP site. I publish this content to a feed which I re-publish elsewhere. That way, at the time of publication, that article variation is "locked".

Anyway, kind of complicated, so I hope that makes sense.

But what I was going to say is that even though I CAN do it that way, it's a lot of work and I haven't really had to do it to get results. I'm reserving that technique for if I ever let the public use my system, or if I ever run out of content for a particular niche (unlikely).

If you don't mind my asking - what do you use for spinning? Do you just mix it up by hand? I recently say a cool Wordtracker Firefox plugin that's meant to help you write keyword heavy content - I was thinking of using that to some degree.

Thanks again for the in-depth post, James!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

If you don't mind my asking - what do you use for spinning? Do you just mix it up by hand? I recently say a cool Wordtracker Firefox plugin that's meant to help you write keyword heavy content - I was thinking of using that to some degree.

Thanks again for the in-depth post, James!

I use my own system for spinning articles... I do not just promote my site I actually use it also ..lol

James

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braver55b

15 years ago

While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.

Keep in mind that EZA will check to make sure that your article doesn't appear elsewhere before they approve it.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by braver55b

While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.

Give me one logical reason why ???

It has been proven time and time again that you can improve your rankings and traffic a great deal more by posting to your site first.

* So WHY would I want to give all my link juice to EZA ??

* WHY would I want to help make EZA an authority site ??

* What is EZA going to give me for making them an authority site ??

* WHY post to a directory that slams your articles with Goggle Ads ??

Please give me just one logical and proven reason why I would give my unique content to another site such as EZA ...

James

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braver55b

15 years ago

I see James, based on your previous posts that you're trying to start something,

However I'll just say that EZA IS an authority site (which you will find in google, while doing searches over and over again) and will put an article in google much faster as it is a site that is "loved" by google.

As for why you submit your article to a site that surrounds your site with google ads, well that's just the trade off for getting google to index and count the backlink as one from a High PR site.

Besides as we all know, that people go to EZA looking for content (whether consumers or publishers of newsletters) and are far more likely to read your article there, be impressed by it and say "I gotta check this guy/gal out" and clicks on your link in the resource box.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by braver55b

I see James, based on your previous posts that you're trying to start something,

However I'll just say that EZA IS an authority site (which you will find in google, while doing searches over and over again) and will put an article in google much faster as it is a site that is "loved" by google.

As for why you submit your article to a site that surrounds your site with google ads, well that's just the trade off for getting google to index and count the backlink as one from a High PR site.

Besides as we all know, that people go to EZA looking for content (whether consumers or publishers of newsletters) and are far more likely to read your article there, be impressed by it and say "I gotta check this guy/gal out" and clicks on your link in the resource box.

Just as Allen has said, you still have not given a logical reason...

I have already proven an author can post their article on my directory and be approved and within 30 minutes have top listing over EZA.. So your logic does not hold water. I already know for a fact that many of Allens authors also outrank EZA articles.

EZA is an authority site by those that call it one, fact is if 50% of the authors decided to wake up and work smarter and not use EZA guess where EZA's authority would be ??

So now what happens to all your articles that you put all that time in building up another site as an authority instead of building your own site as an authority ....

Not trying to start anything but facts are facts.. I am still waiting for one logical reason why you would post to EZA first. I bet between Allen and myself we could give you 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons why you should not, all I am asking for is one logical reason why you should...

James

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Just as Allen has said, you still have not given a logical reason...

I have already proven an author can post their article on my directory and be approved and within 30 minutes have top listing over EZA.. So your logic does not hold water. I already know for a fact that many of Allens authors also outrank EZA articles.

EZA is an authority site by those that call it one, fact is if 50% of the authors decided to wake up and work smarter and not use EZA guess where EZA's authority would be ??

So now what happens to all your articles that you put all that time in building up another site as an authority instead of building your own site as an authority ....

Not trying to start anything but facts are facts.. I am still waiting for one logical reason why you would post to EZA first. I bet between Allen and myself we could give you 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons why you should not, all I am asking for is one logical reason why you should...

James

Bravo... well said. But it will be INTERESTING and
EDUCATIONAL to hear these 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons.

Care to share them?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by LegitBlogger

Bravo... well said. But it will be INTERESTING and
EDUCATIONAL to hear these 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons.

Care to share them?

Since you asked.. and before I post 25 reasons I will say this...

I am in no way downgrading EZA or saying you should not post to them because your marketing and your testing of your niche is what you should be doing. Nobody knows your marketing better than yourself. I agree that you should post to other article directories so please do not take this as an attempt that I am saying you do not need to post to other article directories.

"I" personally have tested many different article directories and "I" have used many different methods and so forth in that testing. This is testing "I" have done for "MY OWN" results. Your testing may have different results....

25 Reasons Why You Should Not Post To EZA First

1. Because it makes them seen as an authority for "your" content.
2. Because you can make your own site/blog an authority.
3. Because they take possible customers away with google ads.
4. Because you are limited on what your articles can say.
5. Because you can not directly post affiliate links.
6. Because you can easily outrank an EZA article.
7. Because you should build your site as the authority.
8. Because many of the views of your articles on EZA are from competition.
9. Because you do not have the ability to keep the readers focused on only your links.
10. Because you are not allowed to post links in the body of the article.
11. Because you have very limited control over the layout of that article.
12. Because your competition is even called an "expert" jut by posting 10 articles.
13. Because some social bookmarking sites reject EZA due to spam.
14. Because they do nothing to help promote your articles.
15. Because they use the "no follow" attribute on your links.
16. Because you can not control the comments posted on your articles.
17. Because you can not control who re-publishes your content.
18. Because you can not offer publishers incentives to re-publish your content.
19. Because on your own site/blog you can offer publishers free gifts to re-publish your content.
20. Because on your own site you do not have to share a category rss feed with competition.
21. Because on your own site/blog you do control the comments on your articles.
22. Because on your own site you control the url output (possibilities to have short url's).
23. Because on your own site you do not have to manage different accounts just to have the "posted by" in a different name.
24. Because on your own site/blog you can link to "any" third party domain without restrictions.
25. Because I am still waiting for 1 logical reason why you should post to EZA first.

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LegitBlogger

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Since you asked.. and before I post 25 reasons I will say this...

I am in no way downgrading EZA or saying you should not post to them because your marketing and your testing of your niche is what you should be doing. Nobody knows your marketing better than yourself. I agree that you should post to other article directories so please do not take this as an attempt that I am saying you do not need to post to other article directories.

"I" personally have tested many different article directories and "I" have used many different methods and so forth in that testing. This is testing "I" have done for "MY OWN" results. Your testing may have different results....

25 Reasons Why You Should Not Post To EZA First

1. Because it makes them seen as an authority for "your" content.
2. Because you can make your own site/blog an authority.
3. Because they take possible customers away with google ads.
4. Because you are limited on what your articles can say.
5. Because you can not directly post affiliate links.
6. Because you can easily outrank an EZA article.
7. Because you should build your site as the authority.
8. Because many of the views of your articles on EZA are from competition.
9. Because you do not have the ability to keep the readers focused on only your links.
10. Because you are not allowed to post links in the body of the article.
11. Because you have very limited control over the layout of that article.
12. Because your competition is even called an "expert" jut by posting 10 articles.
13. Because some social bookmarking sites reject EZA due to spam.
14. Because they do nothing to help promote your articles.
15. Because they use the "no follow" attribute on your links.
16. Because you can not control the comments posted on your articles.
17. Because you can not control who re-publishes your content.
18. Because you can not offer publishers incentives to re-publish your content.
19. Because on your own site/blog you can offer publishers free gifts to re-publish your content.
20. Because on your own site you do not have to share a category rss feed with competition.
21. Because on your own site/blog you do control the comments on your articles.
22. Because on your own site you control the url output (possibilities to have short url's).
23. Because on your own site you do not have to manage different accounts just to have the "posted by" in a different name.
24. Because on your own site/blog you can link to "any" third party domain without restrictions.
25. Because I am still waiting for 1 logical reason why you should post to EZA first.

James

ha ha ha - I'd say "thanks" for taking the time to list them.
While I DO agree with some of them, I don't agree with all.
But thanks nonetheless for listing them... and yes - you do
have some points, of course, but...

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jeffreys

15 years ago

Originally Posted by braver55b

I see James, based on your previous posts that you're trying to start something,

However I'll just say that EZA IS an authority site (which you will find in google, while doing searches over and over again) and will put an article in google much faster as it is a site that is "loved" by google.

As for why you submit your article to a site that surrounds your site with google ads, well that's just the trade off for getting google to index and count the backlink as one from a High PR site.

Besides as we all know, that people go to EZA looking for content (whether consumers or publishers of newsletters) and are far more likely to read your article there, be impressed by it and say "I gotta check this guy/gal out" and clicks on your link in the resource box.

Originally Posted by braver55b

While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.

Keep in mind that EZA will check to make sure that your article doesn't appear elsewhere before they approve it.

Get real. Put your article to your site before you put it to eza. Always put your site as an authority site. Get it index by google for your article. Why should you put EZA as your authority site? What EZA will give you in return for getting your article in EZA index first page at google search engine?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by braver55b

While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.

Keep in mind that EZA will check to make sure that your article doesn't appear elsewhere before they approve it.

I tested this. I post to my blog first, then to various article directories who approve me right away then Eza and they always approve my articles. I've been doing it this way since I read this thread and have never had a problem with Eza.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by pup

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I tested this. I post to my blog first, then to various article directories who approve me right away then Eza and they always approve my articles. I've been doing it this way since I read this thread and have never had a problem with Eza.

That's great to hear. You've put the knowledge you gained in this thread all into action and it's working for you. It's a great strategy, something I've also done since reading this thread all those months ago, and it's been working a treat for me.

Keep up the great work!

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StuartL

15 years ago

Personally I stopped using article sites over a year ago. I think the strategy is overdone now and ineffective. Do articles on sites still rank anywhere? It is one thing to get the link, but I'd rather have the link and traffic.

But for the sake of the thread, I would add the article to my site, leave it for several days so that it has time to be indexed and then add or remove a couple of paragraphs and upload this slightly changed article to ezinearticles.

Then I'd do a little - not a lot - of bookmarking for both to help them out.

Best wishes all,

Stuart

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John Romaine

15 years ago

I think the real answer here is to TEST and MEASURE!!!

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Allen Graves 15 years ago

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

I think the real answer here is to TEST and MEASURE!!!

...and RESEARCH and LISTEN.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

I sent PMs to those who requested them. DAMN - I hate that 500 second delay!

Listen, I don't know how I got dragged into the 25 reasons gimmick - I only have my own reasons which have not been discussed in this thread - or on this forum at all as far as I know.

I don't want to get mixed up as someone who challenges those who do not agree with me. If someone doesn't agree, that's fine. It's their choice and leaves more room for me to perform my own techniques.

Even some of my members don't agree with everything I teach them - but that's fine. I allow them to voice their opinion in our forum and do things the way they want to do them. If it works for them, then more power to 'em!

I used to be that way, but I learned that challenging people only takes up more time and energy that I don't want or need to spend anymore. So I gracefully back out of that part of the discussion.

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JAIDEEP2959

15 years ago

You can put on Ezinearticles.com first.

It will get more views and may get featured in 'Most viewed in 90 days' section and 'Most published' section giving your website great traffic.

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Shane Hale

15 years ago

I say on EZA and send them to your site on resource box. Google frowns on duplicate content. IMHO

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spycraft

15 years ago

I always thought that you can't put the articles from your site on EZA... Guess I am wrong

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by digidoodles

I love him more

And Keith TOTALLY ROCKS TOO!

Thank you guys!!

Warmly,

Brandi

Wow I am loved twice in one thread ...lol

Originally Posted by Shane Hale

I say on EZA and send them to your site on resource box. Google frowns on duplicate content. IMHO

Shane, duplicate content is a myth .. This does not apply here...

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Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Wow I am loved twice in one thread ...lol

Shane, duplicate content is a myth .. This does not apply here...

James

Cool I was thinking they did. I guess I have been watching too much Stompernet lol Thanks!
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- Keith Kogane 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Shane Hale
  
  Cool I was thinking they did. I guess I have been watching too much Stompernet lol Thanks!
  
  The duplicate content StomperNet is concerned with is when you have an ecommerce site with lots of the same content on your category pages and product pages, you want your product pages to rank, not the category pages. Unfortunately, categories tend to get more links, so they tend to rank first unless you're careful with SEO. Because you have duplicates of the same content on your own site, and the one you DON'T want is the one that's showing, you're getting a "duplicate content penalty" - make sense?
  
  At least that's the way I understand it.
  
  As for the same content on more than one site, Google will index every copy it finds, it just won't show them all as results for the same search term, because that wouldn't be too useful for people. The trick to outranking article directories' copies of articles is to have your own site pretty tightly focused as far as your keywords and linking. Visitors tend to like it if the content actually matches that theme too, but it's not as important as the linking is.
  
  Again, just my opinion based on personal experience.
  
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Talinn

15 years ago

Hi, the near consensus in this thread is to post on your site first as I see, and fundamentally it's right (as your own site should benefit from your own content first)

I'm a newbie who is yet to make a penny, but I'll go the other way and I'm going to tell you the "logical" reasons behind it. Posting an article on EZA might have two uses:

1. EZA's high ranking in Google might put your article on the first page of Google, so this means eventually higher traffic to your site.

2. The backlink with the anchor text from EZA will help your site's SERPs.

Well, the point is, if you put the article on your site first and EZA after that, the EZA article will be marked as duplicate content. This is not a negative thing and you'll not get penalized by this by Google, but duplicate content's SEO value is much lower than original content. So by putting it to your site first, you are making your EZA article of low SEO quality, which results in:

1. Your EZA article being harder to rank among other articles in EZA and harder to bring you traffic.

2. The backlink juice you're going to get from your EZA article is going to be minimal, as it is duplicate content.

You're welcome to kick me in the ass and negate my points

I'm just writing what I think to be true.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

...if you put the article on your site first and EZA after that, the EZA article will be marked as duplicate content. This is not a negative thing and you'll not get penalized by this by Google, but duplicate content's SEO value is much lower than original content. So by putting it to your site first, you are making your EZA article of low SEO quality...

Do you work for Google? If so, keep the suggestions coming.

If not, then how on Earth can you make this assumption...especially being a self-proclaimed newbie?

Just wondering...

Allen

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Talinn

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Do you work for Google? If so, keep the suggestions coming.

If not, then how on Earth can you make this assumption...especially being a self-proclaimed newbie?

Just wondering...

Allen

It is just logical thinking. Do you think, in the eyes of Google, duplicate content is as valuable as original content? No "penalties" yes, but no big bonuses either. If duplicate content's value in the eyes of Google is the same as original content, then I might as well build an "authority" site in any niche you can imagine in a matter of minutes, just collecting from the hundreds of thousands of available free articles on the Internet - EZA, GoArticles, etc.

I don't have to work for Google or be a SEO expert to guess that duplicate content is of low value to Google.

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gjedda63 15 years ago

The last weeks I have submitted my articles to my site first,then after indexing I have changed the title and entirely the first 100 letters and so EZA.
In this way i have full credit for unique content and full juice from Eza. The tweaked articles from Eza is all on first page in google so they cannot be considered as low value content in googles eyes.
But I build backlinks to my site content for high ranking in G for the long term. All Eza articles rank high for a week or so then fading away slowly.
My purpose for eza articles now are just the backlink value because the CTR from the Eza traffic is terrible. Organic search traffic is much better.
This is my experience the last couple of months.
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Michael Motley

15 years ago

I have always posted the full article to my site, then submitted the exact same article to eza and not had a problem

'dupe content' doesnt mean what you think it does.

When eza says 'dupe content' they mean is your article the same as one they already have or the same as another internet site (not yours)

When people talk about google and 'dupe content', that references posting the same article over and over on your own site.

So there shouldnt be an issue posting to your own site then to eza

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Talinn

15 years ago

Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.

How the heck do you know that? :confused:

I will have to respectfully disagree based on my own views.

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.

I think this is incorrect. Duplicate content as it is relevant to google references duplicate content on your site because it makes google try to index the same site for the same article two different times. If duplicate content worked the way you are saying it does, places like drudge report or any other site that does things like rss feeds would be destroyed in a week as far as google and rankings go

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.

That is absolute nonsense.

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Talinn

15 years ago

Originally Posted by peter gibson

That is absolute nonsense.

So duplicate content is as valuable as unique content?

GEEZ! Then I'm building my super authority websites about just any niche you can imagine by simply copying free articles from GoA and EZA right away! I'm going to be the king of the Internets in no time.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

So duplicate content is as valuable as unique content?

GEEZ! Then I'm building my super authority websites about just any niche you can imagine by simply copying free articles from GoA and EZA right away! I'm going to be the king of the Internets in no time.

There are people here, some whom have ansered your nonsense with reason and logic, and they know what they are on about. They walk the walk and they talk the talk. They make extremely good money. As do I. I know that what you are saying is nonsense because in my tenure I've proven it incorrect more than once.
Duplicate content penalties are a complete fallacy, and ranking with your own content wherever it is placed is not affected by anything - other than the amount of time you spend working quality SEO. If you SEO an article on EZA more than you optimize your own page, you will rank better with the EZA page. And vise versa.
Don't ever try and belittle or patronize me again.

Content has value, duplicate or not, based on the amount of visitors you point at it. Where that content lives makes no difference to the search engines, and it is neither harder nor easier to rank that content no matter where it resides. It's all in the time spent doing proper SEO work.

It can be on 1 000 000 different sites and wherever you point your visitors at, within those 1 000 000 sites, this is where you will see the most VALUE for that content.

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Talinn

15 years ago

Originally Posted by peter gibson

There are people here, some whom have ansered your nonsense with reason and logic, and they know what they are on about. They walk the walk and they talk the talk. They make extremely good money. As do I. I know that what you are saying is nonsense because in my tenure I've proven it incorrect more than once.
Duplicate content penalties are a complete fallacy, and ranking with your own content wherever it is placed is not affected by anything - other than the amount of time you spend working quality SEO. If you SEO an article on EZA more than you optimize your own page, you will rank better with the EZA page. And vise versa.
Don't ever try and belittle or patronize me again.

Content has value, duplicate or not, based on the amount of visitors you point at it. Where that content lives makes no difference to the search engines, and it is neither harder nor easier to rank that content no matter where it resides. It's all in the time spent doing proper SEO work.

It can be on 1 000 000 different sites and wherever you point your visitors at, within those 1 000 000 sites, this is where you will see the most VALUE for that content.

That you earn "extremely good money" doesn't mean you have the right to post something just consisting of "you are writing absolute nonsense" and expect a very nice, apologetive answer from me. I'm not belittling you, you are belittling yourself.

You are talking about something completely different. I am talking about the value Google puts in the content, not its visitor value or something. The value Google puts in a content is obviously decisive on its rankings. And I am suggesting that Google will put less value on duplicate content.

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peter gibson

15 years ago

I'll say this one more time. What you said IS NONSENSE. I call it like I see it. And I'm not claiming superiority because I make a good living online, I'm saying it because I have been around long enough to have shown what you are saying is simply not the case.

It is NONSENSE because I have proven it to be so. So if you are writing absolute nonsense, what should I call it to appease your sensibilities? Perhaps I should have said "your obvious internet prowess was slightly damaged by your false assertion, kind sir." Give me a break.

Your not making any friends round here right now mate. I mention that the people answering you are successful only to point out that you should listen a little more than argue.

When you state opinions as facts, you are perpetuating a myth that can cause new people to waste a great deal of time and effort that is completely unnecessary. So being blunt is sometimes required.

Originally Posted by Talinn

You are talking about something completely different. I am talking about the value Google puts in the content, not its visitor value or something. The value Google puts in a content is obviously decisive on its rankings. And I am suggesting that Google will put less value on duplicate content.

If you would like to explain what you mean my a content's intrinsic "value" then perhaps we can be more clear on the points you have been asserting as facts. Because value from content to me means the amount of sales/ entertainment/information value I offer. That value only comes from the visitors that see it.

If you are suggesting that google has some sort of magic wand that can effectively decide a good article is not WORTH as much (because it has been placed on more than one site), well, this may be yet another case of your obvious internet prowess being slightly damaged by your false assertion, kind sir.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

The content - yes...that's fair. In fact, that's why there's a secondary index.

But you don't know which page Google is going to choose as the indexed one and secondly, I was referring to the backlinks within the content...not the content itself.

How can you know that a backlink from GoArticles is any less effective for SEO than a backlink from EZA, or Digg, or HubPages or any other web page using the same article? If you say you know, I'd have to say you were guessing...which is what my whole problem is in the first place.

Oh God I feel a rant coming...

I sit down and study the search engines for HOURS every day. It's my job...it's what I do for a living. If you could come sit next to me for just a few minutes, I could show you some theories and ideas that would blow your mind! (Don't worry, no WSO coming)

Whenever I make a statement concerning article marketing or SEO or affiliate marketing or the search engines, it comes from a massive amount of raw data and actual research, study and testing.

Then when someone makes a statement that could harm someone else's business based on a guess or an obvious hijacking of the thread to sell their own stuff, or those who just talk crap in circles to hear themselves, well...it gets to me. I hate it because I am actually doing the footwork.

Common sense is far from the norm when it comes to Google - and when it comes to their rankings. Sure there are some proven factors that help you in the SERPS, but again, most of what people are saying here about the search engines is nothing but an assuption based on coincidental evidence or something that they "proved" by doing it with one or two web pages...and then taking it to the extreme while others listen, do and eventual fail.

This is not directed to an individual. It's directed to those who think it is directed at them!

I don't want to sound like some bully, know-it-all goober. But I do want people to know that not everyone is here with "helping others" on their to do list.

OK, I'll shut up now and dang do I feel better, thanks for listening.

I have to quit this thread now before I get in trouble.

AL

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Talinn

15 years ago

Well, if you put your article first on your site and as EZA is going to take at least 2 days to approve your article; Google will certainly have indexed your site by then and will mark your EZA article as duplicate content.

If the articles were submitted to the other sites you mentioned at the same time, I don't know what the result would be. But if they were submitted to your own site first, they would all be duplicate content.

I don't know how for example GoA compares to EZA in terms of backlinking, to be honest. But I can guess that the value of the backlink is very dependant on what Google thinks of that particular page. If Google ranks that page low (due to any reason, duplicate content might be one) the backlinks from that page will be of lower quality. I don't think you're saying every backlink is worth the same to Google, right?

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

Well, if you put your article first on your site and as EZA is going to take at least 2 days to approve your article; Google will certainly have indexed your site by then and will mark your EZA article as duplicate content.

If the articles were submitted to the other sites you mentioned at the same time, I don't know what the result would be. But if they were submitted to your own site first, they would all be duplicate content.

I don't know how for example GoA compares to EZA in terms of backlinking, to be honest. But I can guess that the value of the backlink is very dependant on what Google thinks of that particular page. If Google ranks that page low (due to any reason, duplicate content might be one) the backlinks from that page will be of lower quality. I don't think you're saying every backlink is worth the same to Google, right?

This is the point i'm trying to make. Google will not mark it as duplicate content. Google doesnt care if its duplicate content unless you post it on your own site.

Ezine articles will care if that content is on another website, that isn't yours, or if its in their own database already.

People think that google gives some kind of weight to 'duplicate content' on various sites and thats not true. Their webmaster blog states that the reason people get a 'google slap' due to duplicate content is when they post it to their own website because then you have the same article, indexed to the same site, but with a different address.

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Talinn

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

This is the point i'm trying to make. Google will not mark it as duplicate content. Google doesnt care if its duplicate content unless you post it on your own site.

Ezine articles will care if that content is on another website, that isn't yours, or if its in their own database already.

People think that google gives some kind of weight to 'duplicate content' on various sites and thats not true. Their webmaster blog states that the reason people get a 'google slap' due to duplicate content is when they post it to their own website because then you have the same article, indexed to the same site, but with a different address.

I am not talking about being slapped by Google at all. I am merely saying that the bonus you will be getting from duplicate content is not the same as what you would get from unique content. I'm not saying duplicate content results in you getting slapped etc.

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Akogo

15 years ago

People believe you should put it up on EzineArticles.com first because it may rank better in Google.com especially if targeting competitive keyword phrases. Then you promote your EZA article link. If your site is new or doesn't rank as well, that's what I would do.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Akogo

People believe you should put it up on EzineArticles.com first because it may rank better in Google.com especially if targeting competitive keyword phrases. Then you promote your EZA article link. If your site is new or doesn't rank as well, that's what I would do.

This is not true... People may "THINK" eza can get them ranked better but fact is that is not true because it is very easy to outrank a EZA article. It does not matter if your site is new or not.. If it is new then build it up before giving your content away to a article directory that slaps google ads all over your articles.

James

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Talinn

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This is not true... People may "THINK" eza can get them ranked better but fact is that is not true because it is very easy to outrank a EZA article. It does not matter if your site is new or not.. If it is new then build it up before giving your content away to a article directory that slaps google ads all over your articles.

James

Outranking EZA articles is not that easy especially for newer websites. That put aside (I'm not a SEO expert so maybe it is easy to outrank an EZA article), I do agree with the fact that for longer term results you will want to put it on your site first, so that YOU get credited for the unique content, not EZA.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

Outranking EZA articles is not that easy especially for newer websites. That put aside (I'm not a SEO expert so maybe it is easy to outrank an EZA article), I do agree with the fact that for longer term results you will want to put it on your site first, so that YOU get credited for the unique content, not EZA.

The term "SEO Expert" is overused anyways.. I am not an SEO Expert either.. Fact is I can outrank any EZA article any day of the week. Many of my authors already know this and enjoy the benefits.

The only thing that makes EZA an authority site is people that think just what you do.. Without those authors EZA is nothing. Instead of building some other site into an authority site you should try buidling your site into an authority site.

James

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

Well, if you put your article first on your site and as EZA is going to take at least 2 days to approve your article; Google will certainly have indexed your site by then and will mark your EZA article as duplicate content.

If the articles were submitted to the other sites you mentioned at the same time, I don't know what the result would be. But if they were submitted to your own site first, they would all be duplicate content.

I don't know how for example GoA compares to EZA in terms of backlinking, to be honest. But I can guess that the value of the backlink is very dependant on what Google thinks of that particular page. If Google ranks that page low (due to any reason, duplicate content might be one) the backlinks from that page will be of lower quality. I don't think you're saying every backlink is worth the same to Google, right?

You did not even read this entire thread did you ???

James

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Talinn

15 years ago

Reading is overrated.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

Reading is overrated.

Reading is how we learn and if you would have taken the time to read the post on the thread you would not be posting bad advice and just guessing at things...

James

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Talinn

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Reading is how we learn and if you would have taken the time to read the post on the thread you would not be posting bad advice and just guessing at things...

James

Can you please point me to the part in this thread where it says "backlinks from duplicate content are as valuable as backlinks from unique content" and "duplicate content can rank as high as unique content", with some sort of proof?

My point was, and I don't accept that it is "bad advice", if you want to post your article on EZA you might have two reasons for this - backlinks and CTR's from your high SERP EZA article. If you do it after you put it on your site, your EZA article's SERP won't be as high, and the backlinks you get from it won't be as valuable. I don't think this has been discussed before, and it's more than just "guessing things", it actually makes sense.

I'm not suggesting you should put everything you got on EZA first. I am only suggesting that the benefit you get from EZA will be lower if you don't put it on EZA first. I'm not talking about the benefits of putting your unique content to your site first at all.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

Can you please point me to the part in this thread where it says "backlinks from duplicate content are as valuable as backlinks from unique content" and "duplicate content can rank as high as unique content", with some sort of proof?

You are posting something as fact which is not fact that is the problem...

but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal

1. This is not fact
2. You are posting it as fact

Please refrain from giving that kind of bad advice unless you do have proof.. I can certainly backup everything I say with proof and I have done so on many threads.

James

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Talinn

15 years ago

I just don't believe I really need proof to say that Google puts less value on duplicate content than unique content.

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

I just don't believe I really need proof to say that Google puts less value on duplicate content than unique content.

If you are going to continue to post it as fact then you certainly better have proof ...

If it is just your "opinion" then state it is just your opinion.

Fact is duplicate content is a myth, it does not exist, this has already been proven on this very forum time and time again. Yes there are benefits to spinning an article and changing it from your site to other sites but to proclaim duplicate content exist and then state things as fact that are not facts, simple is not right... This is wrong and it could very well destroy another newbies business because they listen to bad advice.

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Talinn

15 years ago

Alright, I am sorry for putting it as a fact. I still don't believe duplicate content gets as many points from Google as unique content, but I have no proof of this. I am sorry.

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Talinn

15 years ago

By this sentence you formed, I get the impression that you have not fully grasped what I am talking about:

"If you are suggesting that google has some sort of magic wand that can effectively decide a good article is not WORTH as much (because it has been placed on more than one site)"

I am disappointed by this, actually. What I am suggesting is so entirely different from what you are claiming I am suggesting. So let me be as open as I can, now. Let's say we have an article. There is a value Google will see in that article in terms of a certain keyword search, so let's say the article is targeted for the keyword "how to build muscle fast", then Google, as I'm sure you know, puts a value on that article for that keyword depending on some facts; main keyword density, number of LSI's used, etc. Let's say Google put a value of "100" for the keyword "how to build muscle fast" to our article.

Of course the rank of the article in the keyword search for Google doesn't all depend on the article itself, it depends on the site it is put on as well. The site (the page your article is broadcast from) and the article decide on what rank it will be in that keyword search.

NOW, what I am suggesting:

Our "100" point article will get that 100 points only for the first site it has been posted on. The sites after that will be marked as duplicate content, and not be worth 100 points any more. But the initial place you put it on retains the original value, obviously. This is where you are getting me wrong. I am not claiming because you have put it in more than one site your main site will be PENALIZED. I am only claiming that after the first site, the places you put the article on won't be valued by Google as much as they would have been if they were the first site which hosts that article.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

By this sentence you formed, I get the impression that you have not fully grasped what I am talking about:

"If you are suggesting that google has some sort of magic wand that can effectively decide a good article is not WORTH as much (because it has been placed on more than one site)"

I am disappointed by this, actually. What I am suggesting is so entirely different from what you are claiming I am suggesting. So let me be as open as I can, now. Let's say we have an article. There is a value Google will see in that article in terms of a certain keyword search, so let's say the article is targeted for the keyword "how to build muscle fast", then Google, as I'm sure you know, puts a value on that article for that keyword depending on some facts; main keyword density, number of LSI's used, etc. Let's say Google put a value of "100" for the keyword "how to build muscle fast" to our article.

Of course the rank of the article in the keyword search for Google doesn't all depend on the article itself, it depends on the site it is put on as well. The site (the page your article is broadcast from) and the article decide on what rank it will be in that keyword search.

NOW, what I am suggesting:

Our "100" point article will get that 100 points only for the first site it has been posted on. The sites after that will be marked as duplicate content, and not be worth 100 points any more. But the initial place you put it on retains the original value, obviously. This is where you are getting me wrong. I am not claiming because you have put it in more than one site your main site will be PENALIZED. I am only claiming that after the first site, the places you put the article on won't be valued by Google as much as they would have been if they were the first site which hosts that article.

So what you are assuming to be fact is this...

I take an article post it on my site, then I post it on 100 article directories without changing anything.

Google as you say will see mine as original and list it and the rest as duplicate and not list them or give them much lower listings.

If this is what you are posting as fact you are still wrong and posting it is fact is not right.. Thi has been pointed out several times. What is fact is this..

I can take an article and post it on my site and then take the exact same article and post it on 100 other article directories and I can dominate the entire front page of google.

1. My Site
2. EZA
3. GoArticles
4. ArticleDashboard
5. ArticlesBase
6. ArticleSnatch
7. iSnare
8. IdeaMarketers
9. ArticleFactory
10. ArticleCube

All with my same exact article... So if you are saying "duplicate content" (which does not exist as such as you explained it) does not rank then what you are stating as fact is wrong..

I know many that have done the above including me.. I have done it and will continue to do it..

I would also like to point out that if this is what you are trying to state as fact then that would mean publishers would not be so eager to republish your articles on their blogs.. Which I know is wrong because my articles are re-published on 1,000's of blogs that I do not own.

James

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theteach

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

So what you are assuming to be fact is this...

I can take an article and post it on my site and then take the exact same article and post it on 100 other article directories and I can dominate the entire front page of google.

1. My Site
2. EZA
3. GoArticles
4. ArticleDashboard
5. ArticlesBase
6. ArticleSnatch
7. iSnare
8. IdeaMarketers
9. ArticleFactory
10. ArticleCube

James

James, can anyone do this if they use keywords effectively?

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by theteach

James, can anyone do this if they use keywords effectively?

Ofcourse anyone can do it but understand it is not just posting your article to a directory and just using proper keywords... First you post that article to your site and make sure it is seo'ed, pump some juice to your site and that article (bookmarks, rss feeds, twitter, facebook, digg, clipmarks, and etc).

When you have the juice going then feel free to post it to a hundred article directories if you wish. It is your choice if you choose to spin that article or not. It is not required to spin it. If you do spin it you will reap a few more benefits such as more publishers will pick it up as it is not that same content.

In anycase once you have it posted on those article directories then do the same thing as you did on your site, pump some juice to the articles.

Ofcourse this goes into a great deal more indepth details but you should get the general idea...

James
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truepers

15 years ago

Thanks for sharing that, Don.

Maybe the answers to the following questions are obvious to others, but not to me.

When you submit your article (which you first published on your web site) to EZA, do you provide the link in the resource box directly back to the same web page/article on your site? Or do you direct the reader to a different page/article?

I would imagine the latter (why would you take your reader to the exact same article?), but maybe there is a hidden logic that eludes me.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Simple answer link it to the related page or a opt-in form... If you article is about dog collars then link it to the place where they can get more info about dog collars and how or where to purchase those dog collars (this is where affiliate marketing plays a role).

James

Originally Posted by truepers

Thanks for sharing that, Don.

Maybe the answers to the following questions are obvious to others, but not to me.

When you submit your article (which you first published on your web site) to EZA, do you provide the link in the resource box directly back to the same web page/article on your site? Or do you direct the reader to a different page/article?

I would imagine the latter (why would you take your reader to the exact same article?), but maybe there is a hidden logic that eludes me.

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theteach

15 years ago

James, thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

I hear what you're saying (in fact, I thoroughly read your entries in this thread) and it sounds reasonable.

I somehow feel comfortable with the concept of building myself up as the expert (that's how I truly view myself in my field) and not another site (e.g. Ezines).

Can I go about this by just posting on my site?

You can PM me if you can help in any other way.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by theteach

James, thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

I hear what you're saying (in fact, I thoroughly read your entries in this thread) and it sounds reasonable.

I somehow feel comfortable with the concept of building myself up as the expert (that's how I truly view myself in my field) and not another site (e.g. Ezines).

Can I go about this by just posting on my site?

You can PM me if you can help in any other way.

Can you build your site as an authority site, Yes ... But just keep in mind that it does require a great deal of work and backlinks. Those backlinks need to be not done by only by you alone but by others also on related sites.

For example someone has a question on Yahoo Answers you want your site to be the first one that comes to someones mind when they are going to answer that question.

You see authority sites are not created on their own but they are created by a great deal of work and a great deal of popularity. So if you are building backlinks and you have 20,000 people that just love your site, product, and etc and you are the first one they talk about when a specific question comes up then you are sure to have yourself a winner.

With that said also understand that an authority site can be easily outranked on google. In all honesty anyone can be outranked, even the big boys.. It may take longer or a great deal more work but the bottom line is anyone can be outranked. This is why you continue to build backlinks ayway and anyplace you can (as long as it is legit)...

An Authority site can also come down a great deal faster than it went up, so bear that in mind also.... Nothing is set in stone.

James

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

I know what you're saying - and I think you're wrong. Completely and totally grasping at straws, dude.

And I think you still don't get it.

Oops - I said I was done with this thread....sorry.

Allen

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Hey Adrian,

I was greatly intrigued by your post as well.

Do you work for Google or do you just have secret access to their algorithm?

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lilgrace

15 years ago

Allen, Jay and James

I have been following this thread as I too had the same question as the OP.

THANK YOU for clearing this up for me! You three make the most sense on this entire thread and I will be posting on my SITE first all the time!!

Glad you all replied to this thread!!

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improductsandservices.com

15 years ago

I prefer putting it on my site first.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by coshirly

I think that putting your article on EZA first is a better idea simply because the reader gets what they are looking for instantly and is more likely to retun if they like your work. Personal sites are usually less professionaland not as easy to navigate and therefore should be the latter option.

Say What ?? Please do more reading before you try to run a business... Oh especially read the forum rules that say "affiliate links" are not allowed to be posted in your sig..

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patlondon

15 years ago

Better idea to post article on your site first. And then point a few links to it by bookmarking that post with clipmarks- especially fast...or a few of your other favorites. social poster.com will help there if you've never tried it..

Why..? You want the credit for having posted that content and if you go and give that original to ezinearticle then whoever grabs that article first will be seen as originator.

Then link to that article url in your resource box with the proper anchor text...along with link to your index page so you have deep links and home page links.

Now you're getting deep links into site with your long tail keywords ( blue widgets are cool)...plus links to home page with your main big keyword ( widget universe).

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patlondon

15 years ago

I wish people would read more duplicate content from big Kahuna Seth. It's referring to duplicate content on your own site. Not syndicated content like 100 people using the same article or news story. What the penalty addresses is where people have 2 exact same articles, like one for printer and one in content area...and then others where only the keywords are changed. "Red cars"..."blue cars". Rest of content is same. That's duplicate content.. And it stands to reason that you have nothing to worry about as long as you're not doing the last example there.

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SOT

15 years ago

25. Because I am still waiting for 1 logical reason why you should post to EZA first.

James

Thanks James - I really appreciate your comments! Just one thought re the above -
How about when you are just starting out, EZA will get traffic to your site, whereas no-one will see your stuff on your blog until it is established? So post to EZA first when you are starting out and have no traffic, then switch? Surely there is room for a tactic change AFTER your site is established and you are driving serious traffic to it?

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mentor4u

15 years ago

Hello Susan
OK from my example i have been using is i put the article
on my site. I use Word Press now on almost all. I ping it
do a couple of things than submit to eza..we are only talking a
day or two between the two..Unless i am golfing too much.

So we are not talking weeks or months..I guess you could put it on
your site today and submit because eza is running behind right now
so for most it would take a week to come out. so your site has a one week
head start.

Don

Originally Posted by SOT

Thanks James - I really appreciate your comments! Just one thought re the above -
How about when you are just starting out, EZA will get traffic to your site, whereas no-one will see your stuff on your blog until it is established? So post to EZA first when you are starting out and have no traffic, then switch? Surely there is room for a tactic change AFTER your site is established and you are driving serious traffic to it?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by SOT

Thanks James - I really appreciate your comments! Just one thought re the above -
How about when you are just starting out, EZA will get traffic to your site, whereas no-one will see your stuff on your blog until it is established? So post to EZA first when you are starting out and have no traffic, then switch? Surely there is room for a tactic change AFTER your site is established and you are driving serious traffic to it?

Regards

Susan

Hi Susan,
This is why you build you site up by backlinks...

For example I just started this great blog now I need traffic so before I go gove my great content away for free to some over glorified article directory I think I will try the following...

- Bookmark my new blog:
All News, Videos, & Images
Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web?
Home | Propeller
Faves: Sites you'll love, from people like you
Mister Wong | Social Bookmarking Tool (twitter function built in)

* Those above will get you indexed in google with no
problem, digg and clipmarks can have you
indexed in 10 minutes.

- Create a 3 new articles similar to my blog content and turn them into PDF with links to my blog and upload it:
Scribd

* fully fill out the profile and since I posted 3
documents there is also an auto poster for twitter
and facebook - so I will tweet and post to facebook.

- Locate my Rss Feeds on the bookmarking sites and scribd and post them to Rss Directories:
RSS Submissions

* many resources on that site above that can help.

This would be a good start to get your content indexed before you even submit to any directory and notice since you said just starting out, none of this cost any money, its free advrtising. Combine the above with the plan I posted a few post back and you will have yourself a winner...

James

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mentor4u

15 years ago

See everyone
do here what james says.
you can even start with a new blog today
and in 3 weeks you will have articles etc
probably on the number one page in google
and your site will be listed and moving up the ladder

Google and the other search love squidoo, hub pages, paint
Scribd. just type the name of your site and or articles
and see what they are listing on the first page.
So if you work hard you can do this in one day
and see immediate results. The first time is the hardest
setting up the accounts but after that much faster.
Don

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Hi Susan,
This is why you build you site up by backlinks...

For example I just started this great blog now I need traffic so before I go gove my great content away for free to some over glorified article directory I think I will try the following...

- Bookmark my new blog:
All News, Videos, & Images
Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web?
Home | Propeller
Faves: Sites you'll love, from people like you
Mister Wong | Social Bookmarking Tool (twitter function built in)

* Those above will get you indexed in google with no
problem, digg and clipmarks can have you
indexed in 10 minutes.

- Create a 3 new articles similar to my blog content and turn them into PDF with links to my blog and upload it:
Scribd

* fully fill out the profile and since I posted 3
documents there is also an auto poster for twitter
and facebook - so I will tweet and post to facebook.

- Locate my Rss Feeds on the bookmarking sites and scribd and post them to Rss Directories:
RSS Submissions

* many resources on that site above that can help.

This would be a good start to get your content indexed before you even submit to any directory and notice since you said just starting out, none of this cost any money, its free advrtising. Combine the above with the plan I posted a few post back and you will have yourself a winner...

James

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mentor4u

See everyone
do here what james says.
you can even start with a new blog today
and in 3 weeks you will have articles etc
probably on the number one page in google
and your site will be listed and moving up the ladder

Google and the other search love squidoo, hub pages, paint
Scribd. just type the name of your site and or articles
and see what they are listing on the first page.
So if you work hard you can do this in one day
and see immediate results. The first time is the hardest
setting up the accounts but after that much faster.
Don

Yep I agree there is no excuse, everything is laid out for anyone that wants to start making money online... Just follow the post in this thread to get started.

Remember reading and research is ok but if that is all you do and never take action then you will never make any money...

James

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terryd

15 years ago

What a fantastic thread with some fantastic contributions!

Got to love the "know all newbies" who know it all but just don't have facts to back it up, I can just imagine some of the warriors screaming at their monitors or banging their keyboards listening to some of the bad advice that is being given.

From today I will be submitting or adding content to MY site first before submitting it to EZA and then the other directories.

205 Articles I've written basically for EZA amounting to 56 000 clicks to my sites, that's a fair amount of unique content I've given to EZA and a fair amount of content that I could have used on my sites.

Now I know better thanks to some of you who are out there doing the groundwork!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by terryd

What a fantastic thread with some fantastic contributions!

Got to love the "know all newbies" who know it all but just don't have facts to back it up, I can just imagine some of the warriors screaming at their monitors or banging their keyboards listening to some of the bad advice that is being given.

From today I will be submitting or adding content to MY site first before submitting it to EZA and then the other directories.

205 Articles I've written basically for EZA amounting to 56 000 clicks to my sites, that's a fair amount of unique content I've given to EZA and a fair amount of content that I could have used on my sites.

Now I know better thanks to some of you who are out there doing the groundwork!

Hi Terry,
Great to see someone is going to take action... Wish you all the best with your websites.

James

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supermom_in_ny

15 years ago

Wow. Great info. Funny how I just found this link. I've been blogging for 4 years. I was earning more than I had earned at my fulltime job, then the Google slap came along.. Because of this, I went into another direction. However, I still have tons of blogs, sites and Squidoo lenses just sitting there. So, I decided to put them to use. I get a Google payout every couple of months and a couple of sales here and there, but nothing compared to a few years ago.

Today I submitted my first article to ezinearticles. I opened an account with them years ago, but never got around to submitting anything. I finally decided to take the plunge. I wrote two original articles for EZA. The site I linked in my author resource box has the shares the keyword in the domain. Now I have to wait.

Why now? I'm conducting a little experiment. I want to see if the stats I saw in an ebook I read this weekend can be duplicated if I follow the steps they described.

Would anyone care to share the results they achieved with article marketing?
It would be greatly appreciated.

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RanD

15 years ago

A lot of great info in this thread.

James,

I have a question for you. You said that you create a blog on the same domain as your web page, and that you and that you create links pointing back to your website/articles. I was wondering, do you create links going back the other way, from the website back to the blog? Maybe the better question, is it necessary to create links back to the blog?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

RanD There is no need to create links back to the blog, the entire idea is to use that blog to help push your main site. This gives you more leverage when it comes to being indexed at a higher rank - Remember it is the main site you want visitors to see..

With that said though do not sell yourself short, the blog should also be highly seo'ed with plugins such as all-in-one-seo and etc. Your summaries should have tags and proper keyword titles and proper categories using keywords.

James

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RanD

15 years ago

It makes sense that the blog should be optimized as much as possible, not only for good ranking, but because that may very well be the first page a visitor lands on your site.

My concern was trying to maintain the illusion of continuity if the user was bouncing back and forth between the blog and the website. I'm glad that the answer was no.

Thanks for the advice.

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newbyr

15 years ago

Post to ezinearticles first so you can get it accepted, then upon notification put the one on your webpage.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by newbyr

Post to ezinearticles first so you can get it accepted, then upon notification put the one on your webpage.

Let me guess you did not bother to read the thread... :rolleyes:

This is what EZA wants you to do because as long as they make people think this way they will continue to take advantage of your unique high quality content. As long as you continue to do this you will also allow your competition to outrank you and make more sales than you...

James

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Let me guess you did not bother to read the thread... :rolleyes:

This is what EZA wants you to do because as long as they make people think this way they will continue to take advantage of your unique high quality content. As long as you continue to do this you will also allow your competition to outrank you and make more sales than you...

James

It also cracks me up that for a site that is supposed to be about helping your content spread, they limit republication to 25 articles per site on only up to 10 domains per publisher.

So that means if someone is actually GOOD at re-using that content, Ezine actually disallows them from working at full effectiveness. Why is that? Because it would cut into all the ad revenue they get from the articles being on THEIR site.

That always bugged me that their own TOS basically goes against their stated purpose. But it makes total sense if you, like James, understand what their game really is.

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jaypick

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

It also cracks me up that for a site that is supposed to be about helping your content spread, they limit republication to 25 articles per site on only up to 10 domains per publisher.

So that means if someone is actually GOOD at re-using that content, Ezine actually disallows them from working at full effectiveness. Why is that? Because it would cut into all the ad revenue they get from the articles being on THEIR site.

That always bugged me that their own TOS basically goes against their stated purpose. But it makes total sense if you, like James, understand what their game really is.

I agree, I personally would rather post to Hubpages and Squidoo instead of having all the bogus rules and waiting seven days to get approved.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

It also cracks me up that for a site that is supposed to be about helping your content spread, they limit republication to 25 articles per site on only up to 10 domains per publisher.

So that means if someone is actually GOOD at re-using that content, Ezine actually disallows them from working at full effectiveness. Why is that? Because it would cut into all the ad revenue they get from the articles being on THEIR site.

That always bugged me that their own TOS basically goes against their stated purpose. But it makes total sense if you, like James, understand what their game really is.

Yep you got it Keith... They do not want the competition in the search engines, but this is why you train people to submit the article to their own website/blog first and then advertise that article, bookmark it, build backlinks outside of article directories, and then after which give it to EZA if you feel you must but I hate to say it there are way much better places besides EZA...

I have said it once and I will say it again, your authors should be treated like gold because they are the ones giving you all that wonderful "free" content.

James

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jaypick

15 years ago

I personally wouldn't put the same content on both at the same time. Someone could read your article, then click the link to your website in the sig area and see the exact same thing they just read.

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thewizard

15 years ago

Lots of infos here. Thanks guys!

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Hafsoh

15 years ago

EZA's TOS says "original" content! its hard to keep up with them. I've always submitted to EZA first and added them to my site after they got approved and published. Once they publish it, it's a free-for-all, they don't care what you do with it.

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mystarter 15 years ago

Great thread!

In addition to above discussion, do we need to bookmark each page of our site?

Maybe this is new to me because currently i'm only bookmarking the homepage (mostly) and expecting social sites and google bot will find all pages via sitemap that i have on my site.

Can somebody comment on this?

RichJerkNet, i love your post and hope u'll write simple ebook on that

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mystarter

Great thread!

In addition to above discussion, do we need to bookmark each page of our site?

Maybe this is new to me because currently i'm only bookmarking the homepage (mostly) and expecting social sites and google bot will find all pages via sitemap that i have on my site.

Can somebody comment on this?

RichJerkNet, i love your post and hope u'll write simple ebook on that

Cheers..

I have written several ebooks ..lol As for bookmarking you should bookmark the inner pages of your site also and not just the main domain. Bookmarking your inner pages is one wayto let the search engines know of other pages. Remember not all search engines are the same, no all follow a robots.txt, not all will index links on a site map, as such you must do what you can to let those search engines know of your pages.

Keep in mind there are many more search engines besides google and do not listen to those that claim the Big G has 85% of the search market because this is also another myth. There are many niche specific search engines out there that have a very high volume of traffic and searching internet users. I have an ad on some of these other search engines and in 4 days the ad views is at 21,786 (the clicks I will not release but know that the clicks I am very happy with).

James

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macD231

15 years ago

EZA will be the better one as you know the purpose of your article will be served when more people will read them so EZA will be good at it. You can give a backlink to your site in the article so both purpose are served.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by macD231

EZA will be the better one as you know the purpose of your article will be served when more people will read them so EZA will be good at it. You can give a backlink to your site in the article so both purpose are served.

I would assume you did not bother to read the thread either..

James

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jacksonlin

15 years ago

This is easy!

Put the article on your site and just reword it before you submit to ezine!

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slashman

15 years ago

My opinion and the opinion of people who understand that if the same article is on both eza and your new site, the article on eza will outrank you all the time... pretty much... Why are you adding articles? Is it to just increase content or attract traffic. Each page of your site should be it's own key word phrase. If you build links to each of these articles on your site and even have the eza article pointing to your site then you should place the article on your site first. I'm pretty sure the search engine knows which came first. I did a test and the first page I posted ended up being on top in search engines with dup content.

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GeorgR.

15 years ago

what if you dont put the articles on a site, but only on EZA and other directories?

Do you wait for EZA to approve the article..and then submit a copy to all others?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

what if you dont put the articles on a site, but only on EZA and other directories?

Do you wait for EZA to approve the article..and then submit a copy to all others?

I used to wait for EZA yes, but lately I've been impatient and just gone ahead and submitted full bore all at once - mostly just to see if there would be some sort of repercussion. It hasn't made a lick of a difference.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

what if you dont put the articles on a site, but only on EZA and other directories?

Do you wait for EZA to approve the article..and then submit a copy to all others?

GeorgR - You do not have to wait for EZA to approve nothing, this is your content not theirs. You are providing then "free of charge" content that could be worth hundreds if not thousands. Yeah that's right... You are providing them content worth a great deal of money and the more your advertise that content on their site the more value it holds.

You may wonder why, well the truth is they have google ads plastered all over the place... They have other products and services that they are in a position to sell those visitors that you send to your articles. So you see your content is worth a great deal which is all the more reason to post it on your site first and just use EZA for the backlinks if you must use them at all.

Again though you do not have to wait for anything to be approved.. You can very well submit it to hundreds of article directories and it will still be approved by EZA. I should know as I have done just that when I did wastemy time submitting to EZA (I have not submitted a article to them in months now).

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JayXtreme

15 years ago

I would just like to applaud James and Keith in this thread..

We covered the facts VERY early in the thread and countless others have jumped in after with mis-information and BS...I applaud you both for having the energy and resolve to continue repeating yourself like I didn't have the strength to.

It becomes headache-worthy stuff..lol..

Peace

Jay

p.s. From now on, I'm just simply going to point people to my stock answer for this question, which was posted on page one of the thread here: Care To Get Some Good Info On The Subject?...

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

I would just like to applaud James and Keith in this thread..

We covered the facts VERY early in the thread and countless others have jumped in after with mis-information and BS...I applaud you both for having the energy and resolve to continue repeating yourself like I didn't have the strength to.

It becomes headache-worthy stuff..lol..

Peace

Jay

p.s. From now on, I'm just simply going to point people to my stock answer for this question, which was posted on page one of the thread here: Care To Get Some Good Info On The Subject?...

Hi Jay,
Thanks ... It really does get old repeating yourself over and over... I seriously wish those self proclaimed gurus would stop selling those bad advice ebooks just to make a few dollars.

Then some wonder why IM has a bad rap ... Well if the truth of that does not slap you in the face by reading this thread alone then you seriously need to re-think your business and just go spend your time playing online games because a business is not what you need..

Sorry to be so blunt to some people but sometimes being blunt is what it takes to get through to someone...

James

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

I would just like to applaud James and Keith in this thread..

We covered the facts VERY early in the thread and countless others have jumped in after with mis-information and BS...I applaud you both for having the energy and resolve to continue repeating yourself like I didn't have the strength to.

It becomes headache-worthy stuff..lol..

Peace

Jay

p.s. From now on, I'm just simply going to point people to my stock answer for this question, which was posted on page one of the thread here: Care To Get Some Good Info On The Subject?...

I give all credit to James. I gave up a long time ago. For anyone reading this - the next time you think you can give advice about something to newbies here, think about where it comes from. Are you parroting what you've read? Or have you actually TRIED it? If you HAVE only read it, please PLEASE cite your source, and state that you're just repeating what you've heard.

Otherwise, James is going to make you look like a retard in front of everyone.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

I give all credit to James. I gave up a long time ago. For anyone reading this - the next time you think you can give advice about something to newbies here, think about where it comes from. Are you parroting what you've read? Or have you actually TRIED it? If you HAVE only read it, please PLEASE cite your source, and state that you're just repeating what you've heard.

Otherwise, James is going to make you look like a retard in front of everyone.

Thanks Keith...lol It's just that it is so hard to get people to understand "STOP FOLLOWING" and actually go out there and do it. Who cares what Joe Blow Marketer said or did, good for him - Does not mean you will have the same results as him.

Yes many have been conditioned to think you need to follow this guru or that self proclaimed expert. Well, get that thinking out of your head because most of the time this is why you fail. People preach on the fact that people fail due to not taking action. This is only half the truth, the other half is they follow the blind that loves leading the blind because that is how those self proclaimed experts make their living. STOP FILLING THEIR POCKETS WITH YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY!

There are several plans in this thread that all work and have been proven, nobody is making money off you with this priceless information. It has been given to you as a gift.. Now it is upto you to use it and become something or continue to follow those self proclaimed experts and wine and cry when you fail..

If anyone has followed my post you know that I normally am not this blunt but there must be some way to get it through to people. You are the only one that holds your future, do you take that leap of faith on proven methods or jump down the pits of hell based on some "top marketer" that just claims this or that ....

The choice is yours..

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

...This is only half the truth, the other half is they follow the blind that loves leading the blind because that is how those self proclaimed experts make their living...

Your whole post was dead on once again, but I wanted to point out this bit of yours. That blind guy who loves to be the leader is the most dangerous kind of denizen of this forum. They may not know SQUAT about really making money, but anyone of relatively limited skill can learn enough from this forum to APE the info-product side of marketing.

ANY of the posters here who posted blatantly and provably INCORRECT information could just have easily have made a WSO about it, and be selling it. And not even feel BAD about it. They might not even have enough brains to think about whether what they are repeating could even possibly be false. They may have enough brains but lack enough soul to give a crap as long as you're willing to buy.

Not pointing out anyone specifically here, but this is just a theoretical thought exercise - before you leap to follow someone, really consider the source of the info. A good shortcut to smelling quality is the degree of detail included. For example when James and I state something, it's followed by example and evidence.

Just keep that in mind. It's a jungle out there and not every monkey is going to be able to dodge the tigers on the ground. Wise up, use your head and CLIMB above all that monkey-see, monkey-do mentality.

It's made ALL the difference in my life and business.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

So true Keith that is it really scary -

We should do a JV dude...lol

James

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

Your whole post was dead on once again, but I wanted to point out this bit of yours. That blind guy who loves to be the leader is the most dangerous kind of denizen of this forum. They may not know SQUAT about really making money, but anyone of relatively limited skill can learn enough from this forum to APE the info-product side of marketing.

ANY of the posters here who posted blatantly and provably INCORRECT information could just have easily have made a WSO about it, and be selling it. And not even feel BAD about it. They might not even have enough brains to think about whether what they are repeating could even possibly be false. They may have enough brains but lack enough soul to give a crap as long as you're willing to buy.

Not pointing out anyone specifically here, but this is just a theoretical thought exercise - before you leap to follow someone, really consider the source of the info. A good shortcut to smelling quality is the degree of detail included. For example when James and I state something, it's followed by example and evidence.

Just keep that in mind. It's a jungle out there and not every monkey is going to be able to dodge the tigers on the ground. Wise up, use your head and CLIMB above all that monkey-see, monkey-do mentality.

It's made ALL the difference in my life and business.

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over59

15 years ago

excellent thread-I did not see this question answered:in the discussion thread of posting a previously unpublished article to article directories first or to you own web site first. Majority opinion was website first.

I have been publishing to article sites first and bookmarking that article on that site.

Now that I will be posting the article on my blog first, should I bookmark the article on my site or bookmark it when I post it on an article site?

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truepers 15 years ago

By all means, send your best original articles to EZA first.

Then maybe post to your own site, but be sure to rewrite the article so as not to offend the article directories or Google with duplicate content. Remember, you want your best stuff on someone else's site, second or even third best on your own (depending on how many directories you submit to - be sure to rewrite each one!). Wait for EZA to approve your original article before you post your rewrite on your own site.

Just kidding.

I've been following this thread for a couple of weeks. Really funny stuff. James, in particular, has demonstrated remarkable resilience in rising up time and again to defend the cause.

His well thought out, detailed explanations are often countered by short authoritative bursts along the lines of: Submit to EZA First!

Often that's all we get. Like a slap to the head. If these bold commands offer no explanation, they are at least somewhat amusing (to some if not all).

Hmmm. Wonder what percentage of warriors read a thread from beginning to end before posting their comments?
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by over59

excellent thread-I did not see this question answered:in the discussion thread of posting a previously unpublished article to article directories first or to you own web site first. Majority opinion was website first.

I have been publishing to article sites first and bookmarking that article on that site.

Now that I will be posting the article on my blog first, should I bookmark the article on my site or bookmark it when I post it on an article site?

Technically you should do both but please pay close attention to this point. As I stated above about the google ads and other services that EZA and many many other article directories have (not all have ads but the majority do).

DO NOT - Build all your backlinks to that article on the article directory. It is fine to bookmark it and it is fine to cross link your articles with each other. Just DO NOT build all your links to that article, the majority should be built to your site.

James

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Allen can I please request this thread be made a sticky ????

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peter gibson 15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Allen can I please request this thread be made a sticky ????

James

I can second this. Since the topic is constantly being rehashed, this thread would be worthy of a sticky. Allen, what say you?
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peter gibson

15 years ago

You know, with all these kudos going around, I think I deserve at least an honorable mention.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Your right Peter, you do .. so I gave you yet another thanks...

James

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peter gibson 15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Your right Peter, you do .. so I gave you yet another thanks...

James

lol!! You da man. *walks away, wiping tears and feeling slightly better* :p
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mohd

15 years ago

I read from page 1 to page 4.

Here's my opinion: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOTHING BUT BULL.S.H.I.T

Let's look at the logic here, IF there's such thing as DUPLICATE CONTENT, then I would thank GOD that I finally able to rank high in the SE.

What?

Yeah, cause I can finally able to destroy all of my competitors on page 1 of the Google's SERP RIGHT NOW!

How?

I simply copy their content, put their website link at the resource box, and just distribute it to all article directories, web 2.0 properties, free ads, the list goes on...

But it ain't gonna happen. Not in the million years.

If there's such thing as DUPLICATE CONTENT, then why do Google keeps indexing the page which has the SAME CONTENT? Also, Google wouldn't allow such concept as other people sabotaging other people's business. Yeah, I could even destroy wikipedia if I would able to do that. As oppose, it will further gives the first SERP websites to rank even higher cause they're getting links for FREE.

But the question is, we never know how much weight does the link carries!

I would just follow the suggestion from James to maximize each article that I had wrote (or ghostwritten).

Now, here's my question, do I need to tweak it to 35% difference from the original? this is important cause when we want to distribute it to web 2.0 properties, we cannot ping all the same content, am I right?

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Jon Alexander

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mohd

Here's my opinion: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOTHING BUT BULL.S.H.I.T

... am I right?

no.

Try putting yourself in google's shoes.

Imagine a user comes to you and searches for 'caring for my weasel'.

Remember, you are Google. Would you rather show the user:-

1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
2. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsrus.com
3. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on justweasels.com
4. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsweasels.com
5. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasel-weasels.com
6. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on spamweasels.com
7. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselspam.com
8. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on myweasels.com
9. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on yourweasels.com
10. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels101.com

or

1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
2. Weasel Care Tips on superweasle.com
3. The care of your weasel on wikiweasel.com
4. Looking after your weasel on theweaselsite.com
5. Spice weasel maintenance on spiceweasel.com
6. Weasel didn't care - Ramones on songs.com
7. The weasel center - everything you need to care for your weasel on wzel.com
8. Weasels - common problems on ezinearticles.com
9. I don't care if you weasel out of it said Modummy on jefferyarcher.com
10. Pop goes the weasel on nurseryrhymes.com

I'm just curious, because people who claim (usually IN CAPITALS) that it's 'ok to create sites rammed with nothing but dupe content' either believe:-

1. Search engines can't detect duplicates.
2. Search engines, uniquely among the world's corporations, don't care about delivering a good user experience.

So which one do you believe?

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jon Alexander

no.

Try putting yourself in google's shoes.

Imagine a user comes to you and searches for 'caring for my weasel'.

Remember, you are Google. Would you rather show the user:-

1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
2. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsrus.com
3. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on justweasels.com
4. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsweasels.com
5. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasel-weasels.com
6. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on spamweasels.com
7. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselspam.com
8. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on myweasels.com
9. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on yourweasels.com
10. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels101.com

or

1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
2. Weasel Care Tips on superweasle.com
3. The care of your weasel on wikiweasel.com
4. Looking after your weasel on theweaselsite.com
5. Spice weasel maintenance on spiceweasel.com
6. Weasel didn't care - Ramones on songs.com
7. The weasel center - everything you need to care for your weasel on wzel.com
8. Weasels - common problems on ezinearticles.com
9. I don't care if you weasel out of it said Modummy on jefferyarcher.com
10. Pop goes the weasel on nurseryrhymes.com

I'm just curious, because people who claim (usually IN CAPITALS) that it's 'ok to create sites rammed with nothing but dupe content' either believe:-

1. Search engines can't detect duplicates.
2. Search engines, uniquely among the world's corporations, don't care about delivering a good user experience.

So which one do you believe?

No you're right that Google won't ever so serps like that, but you're assuming a couple of things that are not true.

1. that the intent when republishing reprint articles would be to somehow dominate a single page of serps with multiple copies of the same article as you're showing here.

2. that one would try to rank multiple copies of the same article for the same keyword in the first place

Just because multiple very similar pages don't show up in the same single search on the first page doesn't mean that they're not indexed, and that they won't rank for other phrases, or that I can't beat the copy of the article that's ranking now through more backlink building.

Google does want to provide the best experience possible, so I try to make my copy of articles I'm re-using be the best, and I do that by putting it together with similar articles, with good on-site SEO, and good backlinking.

Am I dominating the serps? **** I don't know. I don't even look a lot of the time to see if I'm ranking where I wanted to - the fact is, traffic happens. Comments happen. Ad clicks happen. Sales happen. People are coming from somewhere, so I don't lose much sleep over not having original content of a certain percentage or not.

Not saying "Me right You wrong!" Just saying that the internet's a big enough place for multiple strategies to be working simultaneously. The real important bit is to just DO something to get the ball rolling. Posting a reprint article to a blog has more chance of making you money than posting no article. Right?

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tommygadget

15 years ago

I don't know if this has been covered here or not, but here goes: I think Keith mentioned using other people's content from article directories and re-publishing it. I have a bunch of accounts with different c-class IP addresses. Here's what I do: Find relevant articles that are very similar to yours and put them on your "article directory" blogs. Create 10 or 20 of these blogs on the different IP accounts. Link back to your "real" blogs with the properly anchored text links from the "article directory" blogs. That way, you get 10 to 20 links per article on your money blogs. You can also create subdomains and take this idea and run with it. Oh, and don't forget to promote your "article directory" blogs via RSS feed submission and other backlinking strategies already covered here. Hope that got a few of you thinking

TomG.

James + Keith, good stuff guys!

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sck4784

First put article on EZA and then on other sites wherever you want.

First read through a thread before posting within it.

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mohd

15 years ago

@Jon Alexander:

I think you misunderstood something. I'm speaking as if SYNDICATING the content. Distributing the content. Do you suggest on changing/varying the title of the original content without changing the body or what?

And I believe DUPLICATE CONTENT= PLAGIARIZM which in my understanding, other people took someone's content, and change their resource box to their link.

now, about ...am I right?
That i'm asking a different question.

I'm taking that dummy as a positive manner in which you mean make a dummy of (to create, to produce), not calling me ignorant.

Mohd

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cgallagher93

15 years ago

DON'T EVER post your articles to both your website and article directories!

This is a BIG mistake a lot of marketers make in their SEO and will result in a very poor search engine ranking in time.

It signifies to Google (because they're picky!) that you're too lazy to write numerous different articles.

I'd write 1 article, change it around three/four times and submit it to ezinearticles.com, goarticles.com and eHow.com/buzzle.

Then, write 2-3 different articles per week and add them to your site. Use power words in your title and be sure to internal link all your pages.

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

DON'T EVER post your articles to both your website and article directories!

This is a BIG mistake a lot of marketers make in their SEO and will result in a very poor search engine ranking in time.

A poor ranking for which?

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

It signifies to Google (because they're picky!) that you're too lazy to write numerous different articles.

This is possibly the funniest thing I've read on this forum in a long time. Really? You really think this? Based on what? Where did you get this information? Because it's very, very wrong - I'm honestly curious where this kind of misinformation even starts. Google are now the lazy writer police? Just... wow.

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

I'd write 1 article, change it around three/four times and submit it to ezinearticles.com, goarticles.com and eHow.com/buzzle.

Then, write 2-3 different articles per week and add them to your site. Use power words in your title and be sure to internal link all your pages.

Skip the "change around" and "different" and this part is actually okay. But man, that part above is just crazy talk. For real.

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

DON'T EVER post your articles to both your website and article directories!

This is a BIG mistake a lot of marketers make in their SEO and will result in a very poor search engine ranking in time.

It signifies to Google (because they're picky!) that you're too lazy to write numerous different articles.

I'd write 1 article, change it around three/four times and submit it to ezinearticles.com, goarticles.com and eHow.com/buzzle.

Then, write 2-3 different articles per week and add them to your site. Use power words in your title and be sure to internal link all your pages.

And in the never-ending cycle of redundancies, here we frikin go again.

Cgallagher, you really need to read through this thread because what you are suggesting is tragically flawed logic that has been dis-proven time and time again by marketers throughout this thread, and this forum. Your opinion - being touted as facts- are reckless to new marketers reading this thread for advice.

My rankings have never suffered one iota from syndicating my articles - as is - to many directories, and if you would take the time to read through this thread you will understand exactly why that is. My rankings have only ever increased from submitting my articles to many directories, as they provide me with much needed links.

Out of my 19 sites/blogs, 15 are within the top 5 SERP, while the 4 other sites are brand new and on their way up. I have close to 1000 articles in EZA, all identical to articles that are in other directories, and exist as content on other sites that have copied my articles and used them for their own content. In a few cases within the first page of google, I am competing with myself.

I'm certainly not suggesting that you discontinue your methodology, please, be my guest. While you are taking the time to rewrite your stuff, your competitors will be getting back links, building lists, e.t.c... and you may find that you've wasted precious time.

What I am suggesting very strongly is that you study this thread and read through the information available to you before making blanket statements like this, as you are offering a flawed opinion, not fact, as the facts show overwhelmingly otherwise.

Here's another point r.e. all this "would you/google rather have unique or duplicate" content. I've said this before and I will again. I am NOT an advocate for duplicate content, I'm an advocate for economic use of time - especially when it concerns newbs. There's plenty of info overload to keep the newb busy until the wee hours. One doesn't need to perpetuate this mythical penalty in regards to something that is well known as a perfectly acceptable and effective link building and traffic campaign.

100 unique articles is always better than 1. However, if 1 article takes 30 minutes to write, what's the math on 100 articles? 3000 minutes, or 50 hours. If I'm buying these articles, does it make more sense to pay for 15.00 for one, or 1500.00 for 100? What is the end result of all that time or money? What newb has the confidence to commit that kind of time or money at something they are not even sure will work?

Furthermore, when you take a piece of work that may have wonderful and compelling content, and then you throw it into an article spinner or fatigue yourself by rewording it, that article may be losing a great deal of intrinsic value and in the end, make you look like an idiot in the eyes of your reader.

Guys, really, read through these threads before posting, because when you don't it is really frustrating.

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mohd

15 years ago

@ cgallagher93:

I think you're wrong. We have the RIGHT for every article that we published. We can do whatever we want with them. Google don't owns my articles. And if someone copying my article, I'll email them to pull it off. So, as to produce the authenticity and copyright of the article, i think it's best to post it on my site before syndicating it to the whole world.

@ Keith:

Thanks so much for clearing this up for me.

Mohd

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cgallagher93

15 years ago

Fair enough Keith, I respect your opinion.

But I've done months and months of SEO research and learnt from SEO's such as Brad Callen and my sites rank very well. So I can only go off the results I've achieved myself and the results of others who have used these techniques.

The search engine algorithms are extremely complicated and are constantly being updated. They're getting to "learn" so to speak, which sites rank "naturally" and which sites don't.

It's called duplicate content.

I was not suggesting that anyone was lazy, perhaps I worded it wrongly. I was simply implying that Google can distinguish, over time, through analysis of backlinks, content, and other social factors such as domain age and authority which sites have ranked naturally, and which have simply spammed the search engines by trying desperately to rank for keywords.

When I said that it will result in a poor ranking, I was referring to your actual site, not the article directory. Directories will in most cases outrank you for your articles unless you've established trust, authority and are known for quality content in your niche.

Then again, perhaps I worded it wrongly or I am wrong. But I certainly would like to think that after months and months of research and actually achieving results, that I know what I'm talking about.

Sorry if I offended you and sorry if you feel my opinion is incorrect. I just don't think the way you slated it was very civil.

P.S. You do seem to be pretty established and respected on this forum. What have you learnt about SEO in the past, and what's your take on this? Why am I wrong in this case?

All the best,

Connor

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cgallagher93

15 years ago

Apologies mohd.

It seems in this case there is a significant difference of opinion and I am willing to let this go if you are

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cgallagher93

15 years ago

It seems I am wrong in this case and I perhaps need to do some more research.

So do you post articles to your site and the directories too?

Perhaps I have been wasting my time rewording them then? Because this is what I honestly believed.

I was stating that in my opinion, it's seen by Google as duplicate content. Let's face it, SEO isn't an overnight strategy. It's a long-term technique that needs to be perfected.

I am willing to email the moderators and ask them to remove my earlier post if you wish.

However, I think it's more the way I worded my post rather than the content I provided. I was just trying to help. Clearly there's a difference of opinion. I think we should just forget about this now and move on.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

It seems I am wrong in this case and I perhaps need to do some more research.

Perhaps I have been wasting my time rewording them then? Because this is what I honestly believed.

I was stating that in my opinion, it's seen by Google as duplicate content. Let's face it, SEO isn't an overnight strategy. It's a long-term technique that needs to be perfected.

I am willing to email the moderators and ask them to remove my earlier post if you wish.

However, I think it's more the way I worded my post rather than the content I provided. I was just trying to help. Clearly there's a difference of opinion. I think we should just forget about this now and move on.

It would seem you are wrong on a great many things you have posted. I agree with Peter, read a thread before just posting un-proven methods and stating them as facts.

So do you post articles to your site and the directories too?

So you did'nt bother reading the thread before posting that ... This is what Peter' point was... That question is already answered.

The search engine algorithms are extremely complicated and are constantly being updated. They're getting to "learn" so to speak, which sites rank "naturally" and which sites don't.

Yes they are complex, so complex as a matter "fact" that not even google' own team fully understands the system. But one thing you are fully wrong on yet again is this --> "They're getting to "learn" so to speak, which sites rank "naturally" and which sites don't."

Sorry dude, there is no search engine in this world that knows if a sites ranking is done "natural" or not... Come on please define "natural" for me, because I know for a fact you can not define it. I can perfetly spend my entire day "manually" posting to 5,000 sites all in the same day. DO NOT tell me that is not natural because if you try to then you wrong again.

I am like Keith I have no idea where some people come up with this lame crap from but they really need to sit down and listen and read and then go test what they just read before posting "opinions" as "facts"....

Oh and let me say it again "DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH"

James

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mohd

15 years ago

@ cgallagher93:

none taken.

@ peter:

You're right about article rewriting. the quality sucks from the original one. Why? because I had before submitted an article to three article rewriting services (I don't want to name them) and even rewriting by myself phrase by phrase (even up to 5 variation of sentences), and you know what, the quality just uhm... gone.

I had seen how Steven Wagenheim and CDarklock wrote their articles and the quality were just simply amazing. There are certain level in which each sentences that makes up an article cannot be rewrite as to preserve the integrity, the flow and the logic in it. This is also important so that the article to be more readable and all the persuasive elements are kept intact in order to maintain the CTR.

Mohd

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cgallagher93

15 years ago

It certainly seems there's a lot of misconception about article marketing.

Am I right in thinking that article marketing is more of a backlinking strategy as opposed to getting people to read them?

I mean, there are thousands of articles out there, so unless yours is really good I suppose you're just one of the many fish in the sea.

It seems I've made the mistake of reformatting my articles in the past although my SEO works damn well. It's just very time-consuming and a bit of a drag if I'm honest.

So would I be better writing a handful of articles, or hiring someone to do it and then just submitting them to the most authoritative directories such as Ezine Articles, GoArticles, eHow etc?

It's not that what I'm doing now isn't working, but if I can save time by not messing around formatting articles it's going to be a much easier and less time-consuming way to get traffic.

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cgallagher93

It certainly seems there's a lot of misconception about article marketing.

Am I right in thinking that article marketing is more of a backlinking strategy as opposed to getting people to read them?

I mean, there are thousands of articles out there, so unless yours is really good I suppose you're just one of the many fish in the sea.

It seems I've made the mistake of reformatting my articles in the past although my SEO works damn well. It's just very time-consuming and a bit of a drag if I'm honest.

So would I be better writing a handful of articles, or hiring someone to do it and then just submitting them to the most authoritative directories such as Ezine Articles, GoArticles, eHow etc?

It's not that what I'm doing now isn't working, but if I can save time by not messing around formatting articles it's going to be a much easier and less time-consuming way to get traffic.

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cgallagher, firstly no offense taken.

Articles are not exclusively a back link strategy, but they can be used for that purpose alone.

One thing is to make sure you place your stuff on your own site first. This will tell all the google and interweb Gods that you are the original owner of said content.

Personally, and this is very subjective, I don't like to SEO articles anywhere but my own sites. I just hate the thought of giving away traffic I'm working for to EZA, ArticlesBase, or anywhere else.

But there are times when doing just that can be profitable.

For example; you find a hot niche/ product but it's a fairly competitive niche. Maybe your site is not optimized for that keyword. In that case, using, say, goarticles you can create a compelling piece of copy, publish and SEO the hell out of the page. This strategy can quickly send high competition keyword traffic to your site, or wherever you want them to go.

Since competitive niches are not easy to get SERP for, you are essentially borrowing on goarticles/EZA/e.t.c... PR and authority achieve better rankings quickly.

I mention goarticles only because they allow raw affiliate links within the body of the text - and that leaves the reader without much else to click on. EZA only allows top level domain links in the resource box (two max) but EZA has much more authority than goarticles. So it's a trade off, depending on your desired end result.

So again, there are many uses for article marketing, back linking is only one. But I can say this with conviction. Unless it is your personal preference, you do not need alter your article body at all to submit to many directories. You will suffer no penalties, no de-indexing, no loss of hudspa.

Once you have placed your articles, take a look at the number of pages you have and ask yourself which page you want to work to achieve the best SERP. If it's a big number keyword, you may want to borrow on an article directories authority to try and rank quicker. Personally I always end up picking my own site, since the directories aren't paying me to give them my traffic.

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mohd

15 years ago

Wow, as this issue intrigues me I had done some research on Google:

I go for highly search volume keywords for a specific niche (through Wordtracker)
picked one with 1225 daily searches, type it in Google's SE with quote "..." has 22,400 of sites competing. Record the first ten sites featured on it.

But I know that visitors will type in the keywords without quotation mark. To my surprise this one article rank very highly (on 1st SERP) which is from ezine, but never featured in Google's 1st SERP if the keywords put in quotation marks.

Anyway, it got viewed 224576 times, published since 9th Dec 2004 and only got 19 backlinks (except form the ezine itself).

So, that determines quality first, seo comes second.

To check about duplicate content issues, I copied the body's first sentence which has 9 words and put it in Google's SE under quotation mark "...", and guess what? there are 578 pages that matched the first sentence. That determines duplicate content is not an issue and I'm assuming that the article that she put on ezine would probably the first she published.

Why?

Because when I went to her website, the article were never there.

Well, I don't know as this is one of many research that I could have conducted.

But from this, I know that: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOT AN ISSUE. PRIORITIZE THE QUALITY ABOVE ANYTHING.

Mohd

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mohd

Wow, as this issue intrigues me I had done some research on Google:

I go for highly search volume keywords for a specific niche (through Wordtracker)
picked one with 1225 daily searches, type it in Google's SE with quote "..." has 22,400 of sites competing. Record the first ten sites featured on it.

But I know that visitors will type in the keywords without quotation mark. To my surprise this one article rank very highly (on 1st SERP) which is from ezine, but never featured in Google's 1st SERP if the keywords put in quotation marks.

Anyway, it got viewed 224576 times, published since 9th Dec 2004 and only got 19 backlinks (except form the ezine itself).

So, that determines quality first, seo comes second.

To check about duplicate content issues, I copied the body's first sentence which has 9 words and put it in Google's SE under quotation mark "...", and guess what? there are 578 pages that matched the first sentence. That determines duplicate content is not an issue and I'm assuming that the article that she put on ezine would probably the first she published.

Why?

Because when I went to her website, the article were never there.

Well, I don't know as this is one of many research that I could have conducted.

But from this, I know that: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOT AN ISSUE. PRIORITIZE THE QUALITY ABOVE ANYTHING.

Mohd

Exactly. I wouldn't depend too heavily on wordtracker though, their data is skewed and inaccurate from my experience. Try market samurai FTW. Hands down the best SEO tool in existence,. Again, IMO. There's a 40 day free trial available now.

Speaking of demystifying dupe content, look at these google results. Which one of those top 50 sites was dealt the dreaded Dupe Penalty of Doom LOL!

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mohd

15 years ago

James, Keith, Peter, Jay = they were all SUPERB!!!!

every time they speak makes total sense ( not on some baseless fact ) but based from pure experienced.

I salute you all.

@ Peter:
Thanks for recommending that tool. I'll definitely use it. About the google results, hah, lol.

Mohd

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jaypick

15 years ago

Wow, this threads on fire. Good deal. Very informative.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

LOL - you guys are funny. Still on the fact vs. theory arguement.

James, I think you are wasting your virtual breath. It doesn't appear that people are going to stop trying to post their opinions as proven fact.

Very frustrating when you've spent years doing the grunt-work and someone comes along and tries to dispell your research.

Allen

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

LOL - you guys are funny. Still on the fact vs. theory arguement.

James, I think you are wasting your virtual breath. It doesn't appear that people are going to stop trying to post their opinions as proven fact.

Very frustrating when you've spent years doing the grunt-work and someone comes along and tries to dispell your research.

Allen

Maybe if I repeated it they would understand, let's see ...

DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH

Ok now that seems kind of childish but so does the many that still proclaim dulicate content exist.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Yea - dup content is a myth. Even if it is on your own site - Google will just pick one to use or look for a canonical tag. No penalty, no problems.

But I was referring more to the your site or EZA first issue.

Oh well, If they don't want to listen to those who actually have the answers - based on solid proof and data, (or even Google's own words!!!) let 'em burn. LOL

Allen

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Yea - dup content is a myth. Even if it is on your own site - Google will just pick one to use or look for a canonical tag. No penalty, no problems.

But I was referring more to the your site or EZA first issue.

Oh well, If they don't want to listen to those who actually have the answers - based on solid proof and data, (or even Google's own words!!!) let 'em burn. LOL

Allen

Allen,
Oh I know what you meant but I was just being childish just to show others how "foolish" it really looks ...

Hey Keith and Peter,
Maybe we should create a digital blueprint on Article Marketing, Syndication, and Duplicate Content... Looks like there would be plenty of customers thanks to all those self proclaimed experts that keep giving out bad advice for people to pass on..

Oh Wait!!!! All that information is already in this thread - For those that take the time to read it

Ok so maybe a free digital blueplrint on :

"A Surefire Way How To Increase The Google Clicks On Your Article"
"That is posted on other site and not yours"

We could create an opt-in form for it and post 10,000 articles on all those article directories (make sure they have google ads) and then build all the backlinks to those articles, not our opt-in form mind you, this is very important that we must build all the backlinks to the articles for this to be effective...

Think we could build our opt-in list to millions :confused:

James

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

I was going to say something, but then I decided not to, because farting in a wind tunnel yields no results.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

I was going to say something, but then I decided not to, because farting in a wind tunnel yields no results.

Well you're just no fun at all .... -

James

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Well you're just no fun at all .... -

James

Meh - it's just that I can only beat my head against the same wall so many times. I mean, how many exchanges like this can I really have in a month:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post1035141 (Goes to a specific post in that thread - kind of underlines the argument perfectly, no?)

Good thing tomorrow starts a new month, right?

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

Meh - it's just that I can only beat my head against the same wall so many times. I mean, how many exchanges like this can I really have in a month:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post1035141 (Goes to a specific post in that thread - kind of underlines the argument perfectly, no?)

Good thing tomorrow starts a new month, right?

I never did catch that thread Keith but man, gotta say that is a helluva great OP. Reading through it in detail now. Stellar stuff. (Sorry for hijacking the Google/ Eza Conspiracy thread lol!)

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Keith - I must admit I did not see that thread but yep you are right!!

I will have to come back and read the entire thing when I get a few minutes...

James

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JayXtreme

15 years ago

So....

Let me get this right, James..

You're saying I should post the content to EZA first.. and THEN to my own site to avoid that big nasty duplicate content penalty that Google is handing out left, right and center?...

I'm so glad you saved me...

If it wasn't for you, I would be doing silly things like putting the content on my own site first... phew!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

LOL .. Good one Jay .. Too much coffee dude, maybe just cut back a little bit....

James

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Does that count as a backlink Mr. Jay ....lol

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theteach

15 years ago

Here's my 2 cents...

I've thoroughly read the thread and appreciate all the advice. I now know what I should do and luckily my decision doesn't create any cognitive dissonance for me.

Regardless of creating backlinks etc... I WILL keep my hard work (i.e. articles) on my OWN site. I am not willing to give my content to EZA or other article submission sites. Why should they post my material and reap the rewards?

I came across someone on another IM forum. He discussed how he built his site and how he created 2000 pages of content (I checked out his site and it's true). I couldn't verify that his content was unique, although he admitted that it was.

He showed some google analytic stats and he seems to be doing quite well with his trafiic (his conversions are another story).

I will attempt to produce a 'sick' number of pages for my site and I will refrain from submitting them elsewhere. I want to go with my gut here and try it.

Perhaps it's a combination of pride and ego, I don't care. I want to build my house with my own hands and bricks.

I'll let you all know how my 'experiment' goes.

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BJ Min

15 years ago

when you put it on YOUR site...do you put it on your money site or your BLOG site?

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by BJ Min

when you put it on YOUR site...do you put it on your money site or your BLOG site?

You should have it on the site you are building the main backlinks for. There are several ways you can go about this and if you backup a little in this thread you will see where I discuss about using a 2nd blog and how to go about doing this..

James
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Joel Gray

15 years ago

Allen,

Just wanted to let you know that I went and listened to the Chris Knight interview and is was great, thanks for posting such an informative source of great information.

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DavidO

15 years ago

I battled with this question for a long time. Now I publish the article only on my site, bookmark it at a few popular sites and wait till it's indexed. I usually wait a couple weeks before publishing it on EZA. This way I'm sure to get the credit for original content. This works for me.

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Joel Gray

15 years ago

O.K. first things first....People this is one fantastic thread, I thanked Mr. Allen Graves earlier after going and listening to the Chris Knight interview on Article Marketing, anyway I then came back and have read the entire thread from start to finish and I must say that this is a thread that has some very valuable information.

I would like to thank Mr. Allen Graves, Mr. Keith Kogane, JayXtreme, and TheRichJerksNet for giving out some information that has a 6 figure value but giving it away for free.

Mr. Says I would also like to vote YES for this to be sticky.

Thanks for taking the time to post here,

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kahethu

15 years ago

Originally Posted by gjedda63

I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?

I have followed this post closely and I have to say it's answered all the questions I have had about this topic. Up to now I have just posted my articles on my blogs and a few article directories but nothing beyond that

I just completed an article that I'll post on my site first, then follow all the advice on this post.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kahethu

I have followed this post closely and I have to say it's answered all the questions I have had about this topic. Up to now I have just posted my articles on my blogs and a few article directories but nothing beyond that

I just completed an article that I'll post on my site first, then follow all the advice on this post.

Thanks guys!

You're welcome... Nice to see someone taking action...

Good Luck,
James

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conners88

15 years ago

Hi james,

I just read most of the posts in this thread, and before reading it, i too was under the impression you couldnt submit duplicate content. In fact i have spent many many hours rewriting my articles numerous times. I really appreciate the depth you have gone into on each of you replys here.

I do have one question (yes there is a lot of information to take in on this thread so forgive me if this has been answered before and i just missed it).

Are the backlinks just as effective if the articles are the same on say 10 different articles directories as compared to one? ie for explanation sake say 1 directory submission you get 1point. does that mean submission of the same article to 10 sites you would get 10points?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by conners88

Hi james,

I just read most of the posts in this thread, and before reading it, i too was under the impression you couldnt submit duplicate content. In fact i have spent many many hours rewriting my articles numerous times. I really appreciate the depth you have gone into on each of you replys here.

I do have one question (yes there is a lot of information to take in on this thread so forgive me if this has been answered before and i just missed it).

Are the backlinks just as effective if the articles are the same on say 10 different articles directories as compared to one? ie for explanation sake say 1 directory submission you get 1point. does that mean submission of the same article to 10 sites you would get 10points?

Cheers
Conners

Hi Conners,
That is exactly correct... Many try to proclaim that google will not count this or that or even index articles that are posted on many different sites. Every one of them that think this and pass this on as advice have no idea what a business is and they should seriously consider changing careers.

Look at it like this - There are many newspapers that reprint the same exact content over and over. Do they lose any sales doing this ? No, they actually do not and in some cases they may even increase their subscribers if the content published is of high quality. They would increase their subscribers not due to the fact that they just published the same information again but due to the fact of "new" people that never seen the content now have a chance to see it.

Let's assume that the newpaper just took over 3 new locations which they have never been in before. You see they now have these new people and eventhough they are printing the same exact content they did before these new people have never seen it and thus it is new to them.

If these 3 new locations brings in even 100 new subscribers every month, it is well worth it to print the same content again because it is making the newspaper additional income while saving on the cost on printing the newspaper to begin with. If they can obtain 3 new locations every month and stay up with a steady flow of 100 new subscribers for each location then not long from now the newspaper will be able to expand their business... And they did it with what some call "Duplicate Content".

The same applies here with articles and article directories. Yes submitting to thousands of article directories "DOES" make a difference. Some self proclaimed experts will tell you it is a waste of time but again as I said they need to change careers because they have no idea what they talk about.

Now spinning your articles does have it's benefits and sometimes can increase the number of publishers that pickup your articles to post on their blogs. So it is a good idea to post the same content and spin content at the same time and again you do need to post to hundreds or even thousands of places.

Some will tell you many article directories are worthless.. Well while this may be true if you are using a submitter to submit the article, it does not hurt anything at all to submit to as many as possible. Your key is here not to build all your links to those directories, the majority of your links should be built to your site / blog.

I know that is more than what you asked for but nothing wrong with being detailed...lol

James

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Havenhood 15 years ago

I hope you don't mind me giving my 1 cent on this topic - I'll be quick.

Most article directory owners prefer original content, but...

I believe there's only one good reason to submit your content to another site. Traffic (user impressions/visibility). Seems to me, that you're going to get that... anyway (once your article has been submitted), so why would you also want to give away the authority?

You should ask yourself - Who deserves authority (Search Engine Recognition) for your article? (Which site should be recognized as the original content author?)

It's really that simple.

P.S. Disclaimer: This has nothing (or little) to do with SEP. EZA will often (if not always) out rank you..., but this may not be true with other Article Directories. Your mileage may vary.
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MarkAse

15 years ago

20% click through isn't bad and that is an interesting technique that I think could work for my blog as well.

Thanks for the advice

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Fabian Tan

15 years ago

Has anyone considered using both methods and reaping the advantages of everything?

For some articles, I post on EZA first because I know that EZA is going to get the leg up in the search engines.

I know I can probably build a respectable site but for a pretty competitive keyword, it is going to be hard to outrank an EZA article.

For other articles, I post on my own sites first because I want to send the article to my subscribers or use it to build up a massive content site. Also, if the keyword is very sparse in terms of competitors, it may be a good idea to post on your site and get the ranking, plus the Adsense commissions (which would have gone to EZA if posted there), subscribers and sales.

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Fabian Tan

Has anyone considered using both methods and reaping the advantages of everything?

That defeats the entire purpose .....

Originally Posted by Fabian Tan

I know I can probably build a respectable site but for a pretty competitive keyword, it is going to be hard to outrank an EZA article.

This is not true as EZA can be outranked on any keyword...

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twitterguru

15 years ago

Good thread. Can someone provide conclusive proof that 1 article placed on 20 sites will provide the same link love as 20 articles placed on 20 sites?

I'm utterly confused about this all right now.

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by twitterguru

Good thread. Can someone provide conclusive proof that 1 article placed on 20 sites will provide the same link love as 20 articles placed on 20 sites?

I'm utterly confused about this all right now.

The "article" doesn't provide ANY "link love" - only the LINK does. (Duh). The article is simply an excuse to hide the link around content a human is more likely to care about, so we're not looking at link stuffing. 1 article on 20 sites vs. 20 articles on 20 sites will perform identically as far as backlinking goes.

I don't know what you want as conclusive proof, but you could easily prove it to yourself. A link is a link is a link when it comes from the same site.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

The "article" doesn't provide ANY "link love" - only the LINK does. (Duh). The article is simply an excuse to hide the link around content a human is more likely to care about, so we're not looking at link stuffing. 1 article on 20 sites vs. 20 articles on 20 sites will perform identically as far as backlinking goes.

I don't know what you want as conclusive proof, but you could easily prove it to yourself. A link is a link is a link when it comes from the same site.

Could not have said it better myself Keith, well done

James

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twitterguru

15 years ago

I want proof because right now there's 2 sets of opinions. Both are posting as "fact" and claiming the other has no proof. This would provide proof.

The article provides all the link love by setting it's context, being good enough to get backlinks organically and therefore setting the importance of the link. It is the liquid that gets poured down the funnel that is the link to land in the pot of the recipient site.

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15 years ago

Put the article on your site first before EZA.

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Kurt Henninger

15 years ago

Actually, if you are going to submit the same article, it depends on how well developed your website is. EZA IS an authority site and if your looking for quicker search engine rankings, and your site is not very well developed, post it on EZA FIRST.

That will allow the copy on EZA to be indexed first. Sites with more authority have a higher likelyhood to get higher in the search engines, taking all linking to that article out of the picture.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt Henninger

Actually, if you are going to submit the same article, it depends on how well developed your website is. EZA IS an authority site and if your looking for quicker search engine rankings, and your site is not very well developed, post it on EZA FIRST.

That will allow the copy on EZA to be indexed first. Sites with more authority have a higher likelyhood to get higher in the search engines, taking all linking to that article out of the picture.

You did not read this entire thread did you ??

EZA is NOT an authority site... Many "think" that because many "say" that.. Just because I say I am a magician does not make me one...

I wonder what is EZA's true consumer visitors ~vs~ article maketers/competition/publishers that just browser the site to get ideas on new products or for new articles... I can bet that the actual "true" traffic is a great deal less than you think.

I will say it again ... You can outrank an EZA article with little trouble and you do not have to put up with all the google ads that takes away visits to your site...

James

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jonoman1 15 years ago

For newbies Ezine can be a great resource to get quick traffic that soon dies out unless you build backlinks to them, but these backlinks are so much more valuable to a starting IMer.

I never use the same article on Ezine as I use on my site. Why not just re-write the article. It only takes 5 minutes to rewrite an article. After a while you can become a pro at it and do 20 or so a day without even breaking out a sweat.
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kenjitay

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I wonder what is EZA's true consumer visitors ~vs~ article maketers/competition/publishers that just browser the site to get ideas on new products or for new articles... I can bet that the actual "true" traffic is a great deal less than you think.

haha.. very well said James.

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

You did not read this entire thread did you ??

EZA is NOT an authority site... Many "think" that because many "say" that.. Just because I say I am a magician does not make me one...

I wonder what is EZA's true consumer visitors ~vs~ article maketers/competition/publishers that just browser the site to get ideas on new products or for new articles... I can bet that the actual "true" traffic is a great deal less than you think.

I will say it again ... You can outrank an EZA article with little trouble and you do not have to put up with all the google ads that takes away visits to your site...

James

Told you man *queues up Kansas CD*

"Faaaaaaarts in the wiiiiiiiiind."

They don't want to hear it. They can't see that if you give the article to ezine, YOU are why THEY are the authority, and you are one step farther away from making your own site a niche authority. How does that make ANY SENSE!? If what that guy said was true, you could re-state it like this:

How to make an authority website, Step 1: Give your unique content away to another site to help their authority.

Now, I'm not a doctor, but that looks broken to me. But people go right on believing that and doing that because that's what happens when people only read and believe (because it's easy) and don't test or think (because it's hard).

And to your point about Ezine's traffic? It's probably my own personal second most visited site. You know though, you raise an interesting point that gives me a devious idea. So THANKS!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

Told you man *queues up Kansas CD*

"Faaaaaaarts in the wiiiiiiiiind."

They don't want to hear it. They can't see that if you give the article to ezine, YOU are why THEY are the authority, and you are one step farther away from making your own site a niche authority. How does that make ANY SENSE!? If what that guy said was true, you could re-state it like this:

How to make an authority website, Step 1: Give your unique content away to another site to help their authority.

Now, I'm not a doctor, but that looks broken to me. But people go right on believing that and doing that because that's what happens when people only read and believe (because it's easy) and don't test or think (because it's hard).

And to your point about Ezine's traffic? It's probably my own personal second most visited site. You know though, you raise an interesting point that gives me a devious idea. So THANKS!

Exactly, people want results but they do not want to use the brain that the good lord gave them... They follow mindless puppets because that is what they have been conditioned to do..

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

And to your point about Ezine's traffic? It's probably my own personal second most visited site. You know though, you raise an interesting point that gives me a devious idea. So THANKS!

Oh boy.. What did I do now...

James

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kenjitay

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

Told you man *queues up Kansas CD*

How to make an authority website, Step 1: Give your unique content away to another site to help their authority.

Now, I'm not a doctor, but that looks broken to me. But people go right on believing that and doing that because that's what happens when people only read and believe (because it's easy) and don't test or think (because it's hard).

Niclely illustrated Keith... I think it has all to do with human nature, people are lazy afterall..

your site vs EZA
Long term vs short term
building your biz vs building other ppl biz
100% traffic vs 30% traffic
Dollars vs Pennies

I guess this would help decide which direction to go ^^

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LynnM 15 years ago

Originally Posted by dave147

now you listen to me, and I will only say this once! put your article on your own site first!!!

That needs to be in a MUCH bigger font size!

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Randy Bheites

15 years ago

I really don't see what is so confusing to people about this simple and effective traffic strategy.

Post your original keyword-rich article on your own site for good rankings. Rewrite the article to 30-40% uniqueness per iteration (super easy to do with even the most basic spinner and a little grammatical common sense), be sure to cement your link in there really tight, and spin your anchor text a little so you don't keep showing up for the same exact keyphrase over and over. Start by posting unique iterations of your article to the top tier article sites. Follow up by posting to the 2nd tier article sites. Follow that up by offering guest blog articles on top blogsites in your niche. Follow that up by using some of the content to answer questions on forums and things like Yahoo Answers.

The goals are twofold: get good keyword rankings for your moneypage, and get direct traffic through consumer-relevant content. Write a decent article for your market, make it yummy for google, and cast your bread upon the internet waters in delicious bitesized chunks.

Wow kids, not brain surgery.

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twitterguru

15 years ago

Yet no-one has posted proof that duplicate content is good or bad.

Before you go on yet another copy paste DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH MMKAY rampage - I'm not actually arguiing either way - I'd just like something concrete rather than 1 persons word vs another. And as you guys are so sure I assume you've got something concrete I can see.

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lilgrace

15 years ago

Originally Posted by twitterguru

Yet no-one has posted proof that duplicate content is good or bad.

Before you go on yet another copy paste DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH MMKAY rampage - I'm not actually arguiing either way - I'd just like something concrete rather than 1 persons word vs another. And as you guys are so sure I assume you've got something concrete I can see.

Does anyone ever read the ENTIRE thread or always just the last few POSTS! Duplicate content being good or bad does not matter....unless you have a false definition of what exactly duplicate content is which you would not if you read a few threads right through.

I am sorry...but this is getting so old...can someone make this a sticky with 'READ IT ALL' in the thread title as well!

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twitterguru

15 years ago

Originally Posted by lilgrace

Does anyone ever read the ENTIRE thread or always just the last few POSTS! Duplicate content being good or bad does not matter....unless you have a false definition of what exactly duplicate content is which you would not if you read a few threads right through.

I am sorry...but this is getting so old...can someone make this a sticky with 'READ IT ALL' in the thread title as well!

The irony being I've posted a page back and have clearly read the entire thread. So please...don't jump on the bandwagon of hate.

The argument throughout has been that duplicate content is a myth - but no-one has proved that to be the case.

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lilgrace

15 years ago

Originally Posted by twitterguru

The irony being I've posted a page back and have clearly read the entire thread. So please...don't jump on the bandwagon of hate.

The argument throughout has been that duplicate content is a myth - but no-one has proved that to be the case.

I am hardly jumping on a 'hate wagon' There are more threads than one on this topic. Just search it...it is very likely covered in another thread about the same topic!!!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by twitterguru

The irony being I've posted a page back and have clearly read the entire thread. So please...don't jump on the bandwagon of hate.

The argument throughout has been that duplicate content is a myth - but no-one has proved that to be the case.

I have posted proof and so has others.. Duplicate content scare was created so those wannabee marketers could sell their spinner software, their membership sites, and ebooks...

As lilgrace said " WF has a great search function, use it!"...

Besides that you should be "TESTING" for yourself and come up with your own results...

James

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kenjitay 15 years ago

Originally Posted by twitterguru

The argument throughout has been that duplicate content is a myth - but no-one has proved that to be the case.

Here we go again.. hmm.. Maybe I can help you understand a little better. But before we go on, first of all, ask this question, what is it that you are afraid about duplicate content anyway ?

That your site get de-listed from search engine ?

If you are afraid, I guess you can play "safe" by following the "safest route. This is Taken from Google Webmaster Blog:

What Is Google's Intention - What they will try to do.

"Google tries hard to index and show pages with distinct information. This filtering means, for instance, that if your site has a "regular" and "printer" version of each article, and neither of these is blocked in robots.txt or with a noindex meta tag, we'll choose one of them to list."

This means Google will try hard to list the most appropriate of them all. You would not imagine showing up 10 same articles on the first page of Google search for a single search term ya ?

User experience.

Duplicate Content Penaty ?

"Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results. If your site suffers from duplicate content issues, and you don't follow the advice listed above, we do a good job of choosing a version of the content to show in our search results."

So.. worse case senerio, the "best version" is still shown.

What to do if you were to post to article directories ?

"If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer. However, it is helpful to ensure that each site on which your content is syndicated includes a link back to your original article"

Post on your site first, giving it its original value then submit it to article directories and put a link back to your site. - Which gives you more reason to put your article on your site first.

I believe you cannot get any safer than this. Even if you are SUPER skeptical about the take on Duplicate Content is a myth, this will ease all your worries and no lnger be afraid of duplicate content.

and yes.. Duplicate Content is a myth..

Hope this helps

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PS: Google is a bot and nothing else. What it does is just indexing and tries to come out with the most relevant results for user experience. If the whole dupliate content thingy is such an issue, the Internet would not be the biggest Information sharing medium today and that is going to affect the search engine too !

PSS: If duplicate content was an issue, article directories would suffered because they contain so much duplicate contents from webmasters and publishers.. yet... do you see how well they are doing ?

PSSS: Shall we end this duplcate content issue already...? man..
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JayXtreme

15 years ago

Originally Posted by twitterguru

The irony being I've posted a page back and have clearly read the entire thread. So please...don't jump on the bandwagon of hate.

The argument throughout has been that duplicate content is a myth - but no-one has proved that to be the case.

I'd like to see proof that duplicate content is NOT a myth...

I prove to myself, my customers, my mastermind groups and members of my products each and every day that duplicate content is a myth..

As a sidenote to almost everything that myself, James or Keith have been saying here.. we have also said that you should never take the word of any forum member as gospel.. don't take it blindly as fact...

Take what you can from each post here and test it in your own business to get answers and the tangible results (read: proof) that you need...

Our opinions are those of educated minds in this field. Rigorous testing and actual statistics in this field have allowed us to form strong opinions that we know to be true and correct... but that doesn't mean you HAVE to believe it.. test it for yourself to get the answers you need.

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p.s. If you want real quick proof... 10 minutes searching on Google will give you all you need

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Keith Kogane 15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

p.s. If you want real quick proof... 10 minutes searching on Google will give you all you need

OH YEAH!? PROVE IT!!!
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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by twitterguru

Yet no-one has posted proof that duplicate content is good or bad.

Before you go on yet another copy paste DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH MMKAY rampage - I'm not actually arguiing either way - I'd just like something concrete rather than 1 persons word vs another. And as you guys are so sure I assume you've got something concrete I can see.

I don't owe you anything, last time I checked. Also, I'm pretty sure I can go on a "rampage" about whatever I want. If you don't like it, don't read it and go play on twitter.

I proved it to myself, rather than demanding it from someone else. What are you here for if you want everything handed to you. Try it - your result is going to be one or the other, either way, then you'll know, won't you?

What a brat, lol.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Our opinions are those of educated minds in this field. Rigorous testing and actual statistics in this field have allowed us to form strong opinions that we know to be true and correct

Thanks for kudos to Keith and Myself .... lol As for yourself, well the jury is still in the jury room in a heavy debate on that issue ....

Ha Ha.. Payback is a bummer huh Jay, I owed you that ...

James

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Thanks for kudos to Keith and Myself .... lol As for yourself, well the jury is still in the jury room in a heavy debate on that issue ....

Ha Ha.. Payback is a bummer huh Jay, I owed you that ...

James

Touche..

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15 years ago

Good thread..

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15 years ago

Thanks for the replies. I think you've taken as red that I'm scared of dupe content - I am not, but I would love to know the 100% truth and let me explain why....

In the UK there is not one single marketing agency who would allow a member of their staff to place the same article on more than one site. Why would this be?

No this is not some thinly veiled attempt to disagree with you, it's as it seems - simply a question.

The other interesting thing is - if you leave Google to choose which "version" of your content to show, you lose control - which I would say was a bad thing.

James, I thought your point about summaries and suchlike in your early post was absolutely spot on and your method is very similar to mine apart from I dont use bookmarking sites or place the same articles - I just spin and go.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by twitterguru

Thanks for the replies. I think you've taken as red that I'm scared of dupe content - I am not, but I would love to know the 100% truth and let me explain why....

In the UK there is not one single marketing agency who would allow a member of their staff to place the same article on more than one site. Why would this be?

No this is not some thinly veiled attempt to disagree with you, it's as it seems - simply a question.

The other interesting thing is - if you leave Google to choose which "version" of your content to show, you lose control - which I would say was a bad thing.

James, I thought your point about summaries and suchlike in your early post was absolutely spot on and your method is very similar to mine apart from I dont use bookmarking sites or place the same articles - I just spin and go.

Well as it has been said "TEST" things out for yourself is always the best.. Now while I will not show you my sites to prove duplicate content is a myth I will give you proof that has been staring you right in the face.

Look at this forum: Look at the many "repeat" questions because many are too lazy to use the search function. Notice on many of these questions how some answers are "repeated" over and over with the same content.

I know I have repeated myself over and over on this very thread here... :p

Do you think the great WF is hurting in the rankings because of "Dup Content" ??? No they are not because the fact is duplicate content is a myth. You see there is proof right in front of you...

Yes I have dup content on my same site and yes I have listings ranking in #2 - to - #5 for very high competitive keywords and out of results of 170 Million+

What the Big G's point is that they do not want sites trying to game the system by building many pages on the same domain with the same exact content with the attept to trick the search engines... For example "Doorway Pages" was famous for doing just that years ago.

James

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15 years ago

Well I still have a lot to learn but every day when I write in my blog, I immediately submit the same article to EZA. It's just what I do. It makes sense to me to do that.
As for testing and stats what are they??? (HA) When I get enough traffic I can't wait to start testiung and measuring....

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kimothy777

Well I still have a lot to learn but every day when I write in my blog, I immediately submit the same article to EZA. It's just what I do. It makes sense to me to do that.
As for testing and stats what are they??? (HA) When I get enough traffic I can't wait to start testiung and measuring....

You do post to other article directories at the same time, correct ?? If not then you should be to get the most out of your article...

James

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

http://www.warriorforum.com/blogs/al...nt-google.html

...and if you want proof of why you should put it on your site first, I have that too.

Allen

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sogeshirts

15 years ago

Just want to thank James, Keith, Jay, Allen, Peter for the great information in this thread. I've only been on this forum for a little bit but the guys who are arguing that duplicate content is a myth are very well respected on these forums and have already helped me make money just from reading their posts.

Before I got to the warrior forum I had previously heard all the duplicate content will crush your site bs and that you can't build so many backlinks to your site in a day. This is all nonsense propaganda put forth by those that want to sell you a crappy 9.99 ebook while the author posts his content on every article directory to get more traffic to his crappy ebook.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sogeshirts

Just want to thank James, Keith, Jay, Allen, Peter for the great information in this thread. I've only been on this forum for a little bit but the guys who are arguing that duplicate content is a myth are very well respected on these forums and have already helped me make money just from reading their posts.

Before I got to the warrior forum I had previously heard all the duplicate content will crush your site bs and that you can't build so many backlinks to your site in a day. This is all nonsense propaganda put forth by those that want to sell you a crappy 9.99 ebook while the author posts his content on every article directory to get more traffic to his crappy ebook.

First - Your welcome, it's my pleasure to help....

2nd - Congrats on taking steps and following proper steps to build yourself a business online... Kudos to you for taking those steps forward and leaving all the hogwash behind you.

3rd - I wish you great success and just remember the "Pay It Forward" concept when you are able to pass along helpful and useful information to others that may ask for your help.

Ah I love it when a plan comes together, makes you feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside ..

James

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Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago

OMG...What a nightmare of a thread.

I was going to offer my opinion but...what for?

There are so many differing opinions in this thread with so many different
reasons, anybody trying to get a definitive answer out of this mess is
going to need about 6 months of therapy with a good head shrink.

I won't tell you what I think but I'll give you a hint.

I agree with everybody who has posted an opinion of EZA or site first in
this thread.

Wow...what a read.
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juniorwarrior

15 years ago

Yes, lots of different opinions...
But article dir. sites get crawled & new pages get indexed so fast as opposed to a new site or a blog.
So, it depends if your intention is getting the article around quickly as information & branding or just building links...

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twitterguru

15 years ago

James, there's at least 200 marketing companies in the UK who will argue with you until you or they drop dead. I'd like to think they'd die first so when are you able to do the visits?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by twitterguru

James, there's at least 200 marketing companies in the UK who will argue with you until you or they drop dead. I'd like to think they'd die first so when are you able to do the visits?

I would question about them doing any marketing for me if a myth can scare them... It's funny how often you will find that myth's or gossip will stick with people but if you try to teach them something based upon facts and something that has been proven to work, then you must repeat it over and over before 25% of the people get it through their heads....

As far as visiting..lol I don't travel and have not had a vacation is 12 years.. Besides I would not need to argue as I can show proff in google itself, I just am not going to post the url's...

James

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15 years ago

Your site comes first

This is an asset that your are building and can monetize and actually sell on the open market

Can you sell an ezine article? I dunno...maybe

I never understood the infatuation with Ezine Articles. Maybe back in the day they sent people lots of traffic but there are so many escape hatches on the site before people even see your link in your resource box

I personally don't like Ezine articles but perhaps I was dropped on my head when I was little

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

OK, this insanity has gone on long enough.

Here's the challenge I put forth to people of both camps (EZA first or your
site first)

Tell me the difference between these two scenarios and PROVE it to me
with cold hard facts. And before you even attempt it, I have done both and
can tell you, there is NO freaking difference.

Scenario 1

January 1, 20XX you submit Article to EZA
January 2, 20XX you put article on your site

Scenario 2

January 1, 20XX you put article on your site
January 2, 20XX you submit article to EZA

What's the difference?

I can't wait to hear the responses and then I'll show you stats from
both my AWstats and my EZA stats (my site versus EZA) that there is
no difference. In fact, in some cases, EZA performs better if submitted
first and in other cases, my site performs better if submitted first.

Depends on niche, keyword, and a ton of other things that are way
beyond the scope of this joke of a thread.

Each side...you can believe whatever you like but the numbers I've gotten
over years of putting articles all over the place suggest to me that in the
long run, it doesn't matter.

This is what DOES matter.

You get your article OUT THERE and drive traffic to it.

Everything else is just more speculation.

I think we've had more than enough of it.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Scenario 1

January 1, 20XX you submit Article to EZA
January 2, 20XX you put article on your site

Scenario 2

January 1, 20XX you put article on your site
January 2, 20XX you submit article to EZA

Wait a tick - don't you have to wait several days (at least) for EZine to approve before you can submit to your blog. Well, I do, but maybe that's because I'm not a premier author yet, or whatever they call it.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Freeman77

Wait a tick - don't you have to wait several days (at least) for EZine to approve before you can submit to your blog. Well, I do, but maybe that's because I'm not a premier author yet, or whatever they call it.

No waiting is required. If you put the article on your site to begin with, what
does it matter if you put it up a day before you submit to EZA or a day
after?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

No waiting is required. If you put the article on your site to begin with, what
does it matter if you put it up a day before you submit to EZA or a day
after?

Steven,

I sent you a PM.

And I think the previous poster is concerned that if you don;t wait for EZA to publish the article, then its the same as putting i on your site first.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Freeman77

Wait a tick - don't you have to wait several days (at least) for EZine to approve before you can submit to your blog. Well, I do, but maybe that's because I'm not a premier author yet, or whatever they call it.

No you do not.. EZA will tell you on their own forum (posted by the forum admin) that you must submit to them first but that is only because they want to mislead you... They want you to give them all that high quality content.

You want to deal with a place that tries to take advantage of you to begin with ???? I sure do not...

You post it to your site first (this has already been said) and then once posted to your site build your backlinks, web 2.0 sites, document upload sites, bookmarking, social networks, and other blogs.

Once that is done then and only then do you want to submit it to article directories. If you choose to submit it to EZA then be my guest but you do not have to wait.. You can submit it to a thousand directories at the same time.

For those that said there is no sanity in this thread, wrong ... If you would read the post that are made by those that have tested and do know what they talk about then you will find a gold mine of information.

Steven - I do not submit to EZA.. They can close my account and rip down my articles for all I care. I do not login and I do not submit to them.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Steven - I do not submit to EZA.. They can close my account and rip down my articles for all I care. I do not login and I do not submit to them.

James

James, I can understand your bad feelings toward EZA. Bukisa did a similar thing to me, and I felt burned.

Originally Posted by Allen

And I think the previous poster is concerned that if you don;t wait for EZA to publish the article, then its the same as putting i on your site first.

Yes Allen, that was my point: It takes EZA a while to review articles after submission. If you submit to your own blog 1 day after submitting to EZA, won't they see the duplicate content by the time they review your article.

In other words, I was wondering how Steven can submit to EZA on Jan 1st, and then submit to his own blog on Jan 2nd w/o EZA rejecting the content. But maybe I'm assuming incorrectly. If so, I'll stop waiting until EZA publishes before posting on my blog.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Freeman77

James, I can understand your bad feelings toward EZA. Bukisa did a similar thing to me, and I felt burned.

Yes Allen, that was my point: It takes EZA a while to review articles after submission. If you submit to your own blog 1 day after submitting to EZA, won't they see the duplicate content by the time they review your article.

In other words, I was wondering how Steven can submit to EZA on Jan 1st, and then submit to his own blog on Jan 2nd w/o EZA rejecting the content. But maybe I'm assuming incorrectly. If so, I'll stop waiting until EZA publishes before posting on my blog.

Thats the point, you do not have to wait... There is no duplicate content, this is a myth.. If EZA finds the same exact article under a different name then they will reject it and blatantly accuse you of stealing someone elses work.

You can have it on your site before it is approved as long as you are using the same "name" on the article...

By the way: I have not been burtnt by EZA in anyway.. I do not agree with some of the practices that they use but that is my personal opinion.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

OK, this insanity has gone on long enough.

Calm yourself down, Steve. This is a discussion forum. If people want to discuss at length on this topic, it's their prerogative.. providing it is within the forum rules..

Tell me the difference between these two scenarios and PROVE it to me
with cold hard facts. And before you even attempt it, I have done both and
can tell you, there is NO freaking difference.

Scenario 1

January 1, 20XX you submit Article to EZA
January 2, 20XX you put article on your site

Scenario 2

January 1, 20XX you put article on your site
January 2, 20XX you submit article to EZA

What's the difference?

The difference between these two scenarios, Steve.. is that in Scenario 1.. EZA gets original credit for the work. The content is indexed on EZA first.

To me, in my business.. I much prefer to OWN my content. Giving my sites the original authority over EZA.

I can't wait to hear the responses and then I'll show you stats from
both my AWstats and my EZA stats (my site versus EZA) that there is
no difference. In fact, in some cases, EZA performs better if submitted
first and in other cases, my site performs better if submitted first.

You couldn't possibly provide time enough statistics right here to "prove" your non-issue, Steve.

Maybe in the world of churn and burn article marketing, you may be able to show us that two articles in each scenario performed equally well over a short period of time.

I'd rather build my business on solid foundations. Building authority sites of content rich pages and information, and that means giving myself credit for my own work before any other glorified made for adsense directory.

I'm not prepared to exchange the combined power of all my content going to my site first..... for a boost of traffic and sales. The same boost of traffic and sales that I can get in exactly the same measure a little bit down the road if I submit to EZA second, and backlink the article.

Depends on niche, keyword, and a ton of other things

You're preaching to the choir, Steve..

that are way beyond the scope of this joke of a thread.

Your patronising tone tickles me. With your track record of forum "jokes of threads".. I'd think you'd be the last one to pull that particular card

Each side...you can believe whatever you like but the numbers I've gotten
over years of putting articles all over the place suggest to me that in the
long run, it doesn't matter.

If you (not you specifically, Steve..) are happy to trade time for dollars.. then continue publishing content to EZA first in exchange for a boost of traffic and sales. Remember though, you can get that same boost of traffic later, and gain yourself authority by submitting to your own site first.

Personally, I much prefer building my own V.R.E first, then use EZA as the tool that it is.

This is what DOES matter.

You get your article OUT THERE and drive traffic to it.

Again, you're preaching to the choir, dude...

Everything else is just more speculation.

You won't find speculation from me here in this thread. Proven tactics and strategies I have shared.. speculation when it comes to potentially business damaging advice is not my thing.

I think we've had more than enough of it.

So.. hit the report post button. If enough people are unhappy with this discussion.. it will go away

Peace

Jay

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

The difference between these two scenarios, Steve.. is that in Scenario 1.. EZA gets original credit for the work. The content is indexed on EZA first.

To me, in my business.. I much prefer to OWN my content. Giving my sites the original authority over EZA.

Well, I guess this is where you and I have different priorities. I don't care
about ownership or who gets what credit for what article first.

I care about fannies in the seats, as they say in the entertainment biz.

In other words, how many people...

1. See my article title...wherever it is.
2. Read it.
3. Click on my resource box linking to the site being promoted.
4. Sign up for my list or buy my product, or both.

To those ends, I have found no difference as far as where I submit my
article first.

And just to clarify, where you said go and submit to EZA first if I want,
where did I say that's what I do?

If you read my post again, I said...it doesn't matter.

Sometimes I submit to EZA first.

If it's an article that is very time sensitive where I can't wait for EZA to
publish it because it involves some recent news, THEN I absolutely
publish it on my site first ONLY because then I don't have to wait for
EZA to review it and post it, to which they might end up rejecting it.

Then what?

So in this case...

1. I post on my blog first.
2. Send an email to my list letting them know it's up there and is important.
3. Go to Twitter and tweet it.
4. Go to social bookmarking sites and bookmark it.
5. Create a companion video to the article and upload to YouTube.

By I don't do this with every article. For a basic "how to <blah, blah, blah>
article, it's just not necessary. I'll maybe tweet it and that's it.

But ultimately, unless it's time sensitive, I get the same traffic to my
EZA articles as I get to my own blog articles regardless of where I sent
them first.

And besides, if I submit to EZA first and my blog second and EZA should
close its doors, the articles are still on my site.

But I will still lose the EZA traffic.

Order of submission doesn't make a darn bit of difference in this case.

You still lose a traffic source.

As I said, I'm a bottom line person. I don't care who wants to claim
"ownership" of my article. It's still MY article and can put it on my site
any time I want and EZA can't say beens about it.

But like I said, each side can believe what they want. I personally don't
care. All I know is that at the end of the day, I can toss a coin as to
where to submit first (unless it's time sensitive) and it won't matter as
far as actual traffic to my site and dollars earned.

Now if the question was, EZA or your site period, then there is no
question. You don't want to submit to a 3rd party site ONLY and risk losing
all your work.

But first?

Who cares?

Well, I don't.

And I guess that's my choice when all is said and done.

As I said, everybody has their opinion. I've given mine based on enough
years of writing articles to form one.

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JayXtreme 15 years ago

I understand your points, Steve.

Like I said, in the churn and burn world of article marketing, it probably doesn't matter... hit and run content publishing can and will bring in cash.

Personally, I'm playing the long and the short game together.....not just the short game.

I also respect your opinion. So we don't have to chew over this, we agree to disagree

But, this isn't simply about "claiming ownership". This is about using that content on your own site first to build your site as an authority figure.

Using that to make a stronger site in the long run. To build sites that not only can compete with EZA, but can actually outrank EZA consistently with the right work...

Peace to ya

Jay

p.s. Any mention of "you" in the post before, wasn't meaning just you, Steve. More of a general response about the topic in discussion. I'm sure there are others who feel the same as you do.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

OK, this insanity has gone on long enough.

Says who?

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Depends on niche, keyword, and a ton of other things that are way beyond the scope of this joke of a thread.

Glad you think the work several people have put in here is a joke to you. As I seem to have noticed, you start multiple really long threads about whatever it is that you feel like. If I don't like the discussion going on in there, you know what? I don't read it. Frequently.

It's an easy enough option, and you can try it yourself for free. And in fact, if you're getting upset about discussions going on in a discussion forum, maybe you're getting a little too wound up and could use an internet vacation. I took one myself a little while ago, did me a world of good.

Who knows, maybe your horse won't be so damn high next time you ride into town.

I wish there was a "No Thanks" button - that **** was uncalled for. Who do you think you are?

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I think we've had more than enough of it.

Do you have a mouse in your pocket or are you royalty? Seriously, I hope you take my next comment in the spirit it was written - one of wanting to help.

I remember a recent thread where you got pretty cheezed off that someone might consider you arrogant. This whole "we (meaning YOU) think this thread is a joke" thing you're doing right there? That's why people think you're arrogant. It's not cute, man.

It's not cute when a 5 year old does it, much less a grown man.

It makes you look like an asshole, and you post here WAY too much for me to believe that's your intent.

Back up a little, and think about how you can offer your opinion without assuming that other people share it, or that your declaration is some kind of ray of golden sunlight of truth that will save everyone from having to read a big long thread that makes Steve (and according to you, everyone else) mad.

I mean, the evidence of the activity on this thread would lead me to believe that people HAVE NOT had enough, regardless of whether or not YOU may have.

And maybe try not to call other people's generosity with their time a "joke" because it really, REALLY pisses me off personally, and I assume the other people whose work you so gallantly insulted might feel the same way too.

(See what I did there, how I didn't say it "pisses us off" - not too hard.)

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

Says who?

Glad you think the work several people have put in here is a joke to you. As I seem to have noticed, you start multiple really long threads about whatever it is that you feel like. If I don't like the discussion going on in there, you know what? I don't read it. Frequently.

It's an easy enough option, and you can try it yourself for free. And in fact, if you're getting upset about discussions going on in a discussion forum, maybe you're getting a little too wound up and could use an internet vacation. I took one myself a little while ago, did me a world of good.

Who knows, maybe your horse won't be so damn high next time you ride into town.

I wish there was a "No Thanks" button - that **** was uncalled for. Who do you think you are?

Do you have a mouse in your pocket or are you royalty? Seriously, I hope you take my next comment in the spirit it was written - one of wanting to help.

I remember a recent thread where you got pretty cheezed off that someone might consider you arrogant. This whole "we (meaning YOU) think this thread is a joke" thing you're doing right there? That's why people think you're arrogant. It's not cute, man.

It's not cute when a 5 year old does it, much less a grown man.

It makes you look like an asshole, and you post here WAY too much for me to believe that's your intent.

Back up a little, and think about how you can offer your opinion without assuming that other people share it, or that your declaration is some kind of ray of golden sunlight of truth that will save everyone from having to read a big long thread that makes Steve (and according to you, everyone else) mad.

I mean, the evidence of the activity on this thread would lead me to believe that people HAVE NOT had enough, regardless of whether or not YOU may have.

And maybe try not to call other people's generosity with their time a "joke" because it really, REALLY pisses me off personally, and I assume the other people whose work you so gallantly insulted might feel the same way too.

(See what I did there, how I didn't say it "pisses us off" - not too hard.)

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I'm glad you got that out of your system. Hope it made you feel better.

I'm not going to get into an argument about this because it's just not
worth it.

I've stated my position, based on my own experience. If you felt I was
rude (I didn't think so, but okay) then my apologies for the way my replies
came off. But I stand by what I said. In the long run, I haven't seen a
difference. I could have taken the easy way out and sided with one of
the two sides, but I didn't because both sides are right and both sides
are wrong. There are no absolutes here when it comes to submitting
articles. If people want to believe there are, fine.

My post was directed at those who aren't sure either way, such as the
person who actually started this thread. He's not sure, so I gave him my
opinion based on results, not speculation.

Ultimately, the two diametrically opposing sides are only going to confuse
the OP. Is he really going to be able to make a decision based on what
has gone on in this thread? If I were brand new, I'd be as confused as
when I started the thread and be nowhere near a decision.

I was simply trying to show that driving yourself crazy over trying to
decide was an exercise in futility because ultimately, it doesn't matter if
all you care about is results and I've explained why.

I have even disagreed with people (like Allen Graves) who are friends of
mine because I just don't see it as black and white as they do and
most likely never will. I've done it both ways and I've seen no real
advantage of one over the other.

So if you want to shoot me for voicing my opinion the way I did, that's
fine, but the tone of your reply to me was uncalled for.

And with that I've said all I have to say on this subject.

I think everybody knows where I stand.

Jay, at least thank you for being professional about this and not resorting
to name calling and abusiveness.

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I'm glad you got that out of your system. Hope it made you feel better.

It did.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I'm not going to get into an argument about this because it's just not worth it.

I agree that this particular argument would be useless. Before I simply disagreed that the thread was a joke, or insane, or that you had the authority to say "we" had had enough of the discussion and that it should end.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I've stated my position, based on my own experience.

Oh, OK. Because I thought it was more of a challenge followed by a sort of arrogant-seeming mockery, then ended with a pretty crass-sounding dismissal of the entire topic. I even re-read it, and it still comes across that way to me. I mean, I can't say for sure what your intent was, but if you meant it as something different than what I describe, maybe you should use different words than "insane", "challenge", "joke", etc.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If you felt I was rude (I didn't think so, but okay) then my apologies for the way my replies
came off. But I stand by what I said.

Well I thought I made it clear that it was the actual content of what you said that I took offense to, you're not really apologizing here.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

In the long run, I haven't seen a
difference. I could have taken the easy way out and sided with one of
the two sides, but I didn't because both sides are right and both sides
are wrong.

So here you start out with a nicely stated fact about your observations. But then you immediately point out that anyone that's had a different experience has taken the "easy way out" simply because in your experience they are equal?

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

There are no absolutes here when it comes to submitting
articles. If people want to believe there are, fine.

Your opinion re: absolutes is a fact, right? Everyone else's experiences that we shared are just mistaken beliefs that we hold, since it's not the same as yours. Too bad for us, I guess.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

My post was directed at those who aren't sure either way, such as the
person who actually started this thread. He's not sure, so I gave him my
opinion based on results, not speculation.

You're correct here - you have presented your opinion, which is just yet another option in the discussion. I'm totally willing to accept that your experience is as you say it is. I'm just not willing to accept that it indicates the conclusion you made, and I'm offended by your implication that you're the authority on the matter, doling out challenges and deciding what's worth discussing or not. You're an opinionated dude, just like me. That's perfectly fine.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Ultimately, the two diametrically opposing sides are only going to confuse
the OP. Is he really going to be able to make a decision based on what
has gone on in this thread? If I were brand new, I'd be as confused as
when I started the thread and be nowhere near a decision.

I was simply trying to show that driving yourself crazy over trying to
decide was an exercise in futility because ultimately, it doesn't matter if
all you care about is results and I've explained why.

If the OP was confused by two opposing sides, he didn't really read the thread. The argument for putting on ezine first has been pretty much destroyed. The only people who are confused here are the ones who are popping in without having read anything. I haven't seen anyone here say "I'm still confused" or "I still don't know the answer" - did you?

Instead, I see all kinds of thanks and kudos for the hard work and clear explanations and examples presented by several generous people. Are we talking about the same thread?

But still, you seem to think this is the land of confusion. At least you present it as such to make your argument, which is: "not to worry, Steven can see beyond mere diametrically opposed arguments. Because he hasn't seen any difference, there isn't any, so both options are equal. Experiencing anything but this same thing makes you not only wrong, but crazy, worthy of ridicule, and unworthy of further discussion."

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I have even disagreed with people (like Allen Graves) who are friends of
mine because I just don't see it as black and white as they do and
most likely never will. I've done it both ways and I've seen no real
advantage of one over the other.

There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who see things in black and white, and those who think that grey is something more than just another color.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

So if you want to shoot me for voicing my opinion the way I did, that's
fine, but the tone of your reply to me was uncalled for.

Who wants to shoot anyone? I was just saying that you should pay more careful attention to the words you use, because I'm convinced you think you're just politely stating your opinion, but the words you are actually using say something very different. I was pointing out that that choice of words (not your tone, but the actual words you use) were making you look like an asshole. I don't think you want to look like an asshole, right? I'm trying to help.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

And with that I've said all I have to say on this subject.

I think everybody knows where I stand.

Totally in the right, as always. You get to say your piece and then say a non-apology, and then get to decide when the matter is closed because you don't want to talk about it anymore. Yep, I know where you stand. Your post was very clear.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Jay, at least thank you for being professional about this and not resorting
to name calling and abusiveness.

I didn't call you a name, did I? I said what you were saying made you sound like an asshole. And I don't think I was being abusive, I was just calling you out for being offensive and disrespectful to what had otherwise been a pretty good and useful discussion. You can try to justify your post and say you were contributing, but all I see is a somewhat bratty and condescending opinion-as-fact piece.

Then you go on to say things that indicate that if you DID read the thread, the actual contents didn't matter, because they didn't fit the story you wanted to tell. If you'd acknowledged the thread as a reasoned presentation of evidence against a popular and unproductive myth, then maybe I'd have received your opinion more graciously.

Instead, you present the entire rest of the thread as some kind of wasteland with the OP never being adequately answered. You write as though we were all waiting for your post to settle the matter. I admit, there have been some dummies wading through, but they were largely set right by the repeated efforts of others.

You provide a lot of value here man, I have a lot of respect for your accomplishments, don't get me wrong. I think I've stated very clearly what it is that you said that I have a problem with. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and your experiences are all yours. Another opinion only broadens the discussion, and I feel yours would be a particularly good perspective to have.

Perhaps the next time you present it, you could try being more tactful. You don't have to be, of course. But I'm also probably going to call it out the next time it bugs me, too.

It may not seem like it, but I still stand by my earlier statement that this was largely a worthless argument. I liked it a lot better when we were discussing the actual topic. Part of the reason I got so mad in the first place is because not only did you call for it to stop, you purported to speak as if you represented others when expressing that opinion.

I sincerely hope that is not the case, as I think this is one of the better popular threads at the moment. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

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15 years ago

Hey Steven,

thanks for bringing back some sanity to this thread. It became like those never-ending religious vs. atheist discussions: "you have to believe the same as I do and then you will understand what I am saying"

If there are two faith based camps the rational arguments will never win.

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Corky50

15 years ago

Certainly are lots of different opinions. Hate to stick my toe in this mud puddle, but...
doesn't it have to do with "intentions" and goals of the site and articles?
Many opinions are formed with different goals in mind.
If a goal is different, the road you take may be as well.
Sure, it's all about traffic, but from what angle?
Google...
Squidoo...
Want to cover all the bases, write 2 (or 3 or 4 or ...) articles and use one each way.

Corky

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

umm, HELLO!

Some of the posts in this thread are a complete and total joke.

Some are good, though.

Allen

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Keith Kogane 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

umm, HELLO!

Some of the posts in this thread are a complete and total joke.

Some are good, though.

Allen

He didn't say posts - he said thread. I guess I could just chalk that up to the same kind of overreaching assumption he displayed elsewhere in his post.

I tend to think the good posts here outweigh the bad, giving the thread an overall plus. I base that on the positive response overall and continued activity, but Steven's tired of seeing it on the front page, so please try to comply with Steven's wishes and let this insanity end.
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pam0518

15 years ago

Personally I submit to my site first and then to EZA or other article directories.

However, I usually do different versions of the article. Usually I have a longer, more detailed page on the subject at my site and then a shorter but adequete article at the directories. I do this because I am submitting more to get backlinks to my page than to get people to click on my links, however that is an added bonus. If someone does click on my link they will get more info than they got at the directory and hopefully they will stay on the site.

I am currently using unique article wizard to submit to multiple sites/blogs each article, but if you are only submitting to EZA or the top 5 directories you can just rewrite the article yourself.

I am not saying that this is the right way, it is just how I do it.

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marketingjitsu

15 years ago

Won't Google see one of them as duplicate content?

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Allen Graves 15 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingjitsu

Won't Google see one of them as duplicate content?

LMAO - you have GOT to be kidding me!
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peter gibson 15 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingjitsu

Won't Google see one of them as duplicate content?

:rolleyes:

On behalf of the great people, whom have done everything except draw blood to make this a useful and informative thread, do yourself - and us - a favor.

Go back to the very first post, read slowly and carefully until you get to this reply, feel appropriately silly, and then apologize.
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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingjitsu

Won't Google see one of them as duplicate content?

When I first seen this I ignored it ... You had 12 post then and now 11 so either you are a troll just posting to post or you just do not bother reading..

Why open a thread to post on and you do not even read the thread ? Trust me this has already been answered on this thread. I am not about te repeat that answer though, READ THE THREAD FOR THE ANSWER!

James
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kenjitay

15 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingjitsu

Won't Google see one of them as duplicate content?

Amazing...

This is like "back to the future" ! haha

I guess "duplicate content" really position itself really well in the minds of people... =P

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kenjitay

Amazing...

This is like "back to the future" ! haha

I guess "duplicate content" really position itself really well in the minds of people... =P

Regards
Kenji

As I said it is amazng how well myth's and gossip stick in people' minds but yet if you try to teach them you must repeat it over and over and then only 25% will actually learn...

James

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Vikuna2009+ 15 years ago

Oh gosh, I think this is the LONGEST thread I have EVER read (and I read it ALL, lol). Boy, did I learn. I always thought I had to submit to EZA first, not realizing I've just lost ownership to my own article .

As far as submitting the same article to 100s of directories, did not think that was possible either .

I truly have a much better understanding and would like to thank you all who contributed this FREE lesson (should have been an ebook for $97).

Thanks again, really appreciate it. Maybe now I can actually make some $ !
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JayXtreme 15 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingjitsu

Won't Google see one of them as duplicate content?

o... you didn't..
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HariVarrier

15 years ago

Ok here is what I do

I put the article first on my blog/site. I edit/rewrite the article a littlebit and then put in a linkback to that page and to the main homepage.

It has always worked for me.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

You re not necessarily losing your ownership when submitting to EZA. Matt Cutts recommended some things as simple as adding your URL in the content to let Google know that it was your material.

Since that very day, a URL has been in every single one of my articles (except for my local community website). There are other things you can do too. I suggest getting a BIG cup of coffee and sitting down at the Google blog or Webmaster Central.

You will be amazed at what you find there that isn't even discussed here.

Now, some of it will work with article marketing and some will not (its still so dynamic on so many levels), but Cutts exclusively singled out article marketers when suggesting to include your URL (and other things) to claim ownership of content.

Does it work? I can't answer that. Unfortunately its hard to guess what things would be like when NOT including my URL in my content because I always do it. But I will side with Mr. Cutts on this until I see a reason not to. I'm doing OK so far.

Allen

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Vikuna2009+

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

You re not necessarily losing your ownership when submitting to EZA. Matt Cutts recommended some things as simple as adding your URL in the content to let Google know that it was your material.

Since that very day, a URL has been in every single one of my articles (except for my local community website). There are other things you can do too. I suggest getting a BIG cup of coffee and sitting down at the Google blog or Webmaster Central.

You will be amazed at what you find there that isn't even discussed here.

Now, some of it will work with article marketing and some will not (its still so dynamic on so many levels), but Cutts exclusively singled out article marketers when suggesting to include your URL (and other things) to claim ownership of content.

Does it work? I can't answer that. Unfortunately its hard to guess what things would be like when NOT including my URL in my content because I always do it. But I will side with Mr. Cutts on this until I see a reason not to. I'm doing OK so far.

Allen

Think I kind of heard of google blog (is that google's official blog?) and not quite sure what webmaster central it. Will google it. lol.

Ain't easy being a noob

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15 years ago

Its always good to put your articles in your site first

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Talinn

15 years ago

Just took a quick look at this thread, and I want to say it again that I'm sorry for saying things I had no proof of and saying them as truths.

The reason I did that was, I thought that the fact that Google can distinguish duplicate content (and puts less weight on it) was already established. I never thought that it was still an unproven thing, some sort of a myth.

By reading the previous pages I see that I have offended some people here. I apologize for this - I am as I said every time a newbie and I respect all of you people very much.

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Talinn

Just took a quick look at this thread, and I want to say it again that I'm sorry for saying things I had no proof of and saying them as truths.

The reason I did that was, I thought that the fact that Google can distinguish duplicate content (and puts less weight on it) was already established. I never thought that it was still an unproven thing, some sort of a myth.

By reading the previous pages I see that I have offended some people here. I apologize for this - I am as I said every time a newbie and I respect all of you people very much.

Hey buddy. Bygones and squashed! Welcome back. It's very big of you to post an apology like this but don't beat yourself up over it. If we were hard on you it's only because we care that people have the right information.

You've just learned one of the most valuable lessons ever to be had in internet marketing: know the source of your information before you accept it as fact. Then test your information (even if the source is a trusted one). Then gather results. Once you have results, that's the right point at which to come back and share.

Otherwise, even if you mean well, you'll be helping to propagate the same kind of misinformation we see cropping up here just in this one thread over and over again. Misinformation is like forest fires. They spread fast, do a lot of damage and are hard to stop. And just like forest fires, only YOU can prevent misinformation.

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Jag82

15 years ago

Ok I just stumbled upon this thread. And while I've not read through the whole thread, I'm going to offer a view here. Hope no one blasts me for not reading.

I'm speaking for myself here on this.

For me, I'm okay with posting on either my site first or with EzineArticle. I don't worry about duplicate issues and that's because I spin my articles. Dilemma solved.

And I can happily go ahead to submit unique variations to other sites without a worry.

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Christie Love

15 years ago

I would definitely spin the article or re-write it to make it 30% or more unique before putting the article in a separate place. In the long run, this may be helpful as Google doesn't like repeat content.

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peter gibson 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Christie Love

... as Google doesn't like repeat content.

I said I wouldn't, but I'm gonna anyway, since I've already done it many times.

:rolleyes:

Christie, the statement I just quoted from you is completely untrue, false, horse puckey. It gives a very inaccurate impression of the many productive uses for artistic and original works. It also totally goes against the very practice of successful syndication as applied to original creations of all kinds, from music to articles to fiction and non-fiction books. You'll find that many people have tried to point this fact out within this very thread, and on other similar threads within the Warrior forum.

If you can prove this as being true, by all means come back and present evidence to support your assertion. But I wager that you can't come up with anything fruitful, other than perhaps "it just makes common sense". And the truth is, your line of thinking on this subject only "makes sense" because the myth of duplicate content has been propagated throughout the internet for so long, by so many misinformed knuckleheads that it now has a life of its' own. Repeat or duplicate content - as you've described it - exists in only one place... with the Candyman, the alligators in the sewers, and Area 51. IT IS A MYTH!

I really don't mean to come across as rude Christie, but if you will read through this thread, you'll see that many of us have tried to help and most of us are beyond frustrated. Me, I feel like I may have failed, since I obviously don't speak Martian.

And so I now truly do give up and pass the flame to the next purveyor of common sense. I'm off now to shave my head, run naked in the streets, and eventually seek out some long term therapy from this never ending argument.
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Allen Lewis

15 years ago

The REAL irony is that those who say don't let EZA take your business and don't use them at all are giving their business away usually in the form of Adsense or affiliate links.

Allen

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LynnM

15 years ago

While a little off the original topic, surprised no-one has mentioned this comment, from another thread:

Originally Posted by Willie Crawford

You can submit the same article to as many places as you'd like.
Content syndication is natural.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

@ Christie - You really need to read this thread because dup content is nothing more than a myth and it has already been proven so. I do not understand why people have a problem understanding this. It is called "SYNDICATION" and guess what ??? GOOGLE LOVES SYNDICATION!

I really have no idea how many times it has been mentioned on this thread but it has been "repeated" over and over that duplicate content is a myth. I do not care if it is on the same domain name or not, it's a myth period!!

@Peter - This is what happens when someone does not read the thread ....

@ Allen - I disagree, I say do not use EZA and do not fill their the glorified ad sense pockets.... I also do not use ad sense at all but if I did, I would much rather build all that traffic to my ad sense site rather than give it all to EZA. I also do not use any affiliate links, I build my own products.

@ Chuubuka - Well, at least we know you did read some of this thread ... So that is 1 gold point for you.

@ Lynn - Exactly, syndication is 100% natural... Syndication has been going on well before the internet was released in the public and it will continue till the end of mankind.

James

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Steve Snively

15 years ago

Wow. Just read the entire thread. There is more meat here than 3/4 of the courses out there. Thanks to all the seasoned Warriors willing to share their experiences.

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clarissa25

Banned 15 years ago

ok so i'm just wondering maybe this question is for keith....if you take an article from an article directory and post in on your blog. Are u still able to post that article to EZA somehow, being that you are not the orginal author?

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by clarissa25

ok so i'm just wondering maybe this question is for keith....if you take an article from an article directory and post in on your blog. Are u still able to post that article to EZA somehow, being that you are not the orginal author?

No, you can't

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Originally Posted by clarissa25

ok so i'm just wondering maybe this question is for keith....if you take an article from an article directory and post in on your blog. Are u still able to post that article to EZA somehow, being that you are not the orginal author?

That would be completely unethical and outright plagiarism.

No, that is not allowed at EZA or any article directory worth submitting to, for that matter.

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WritingMadwoman 15 years ago

Guys, this thread has been highly educational! Special thanks to James, Peter, Jay, Keith and Tommy for sharing some really great backlinking ideas.

I've been article marketing for several years now and I do tend to follow the strongest advice given here (my own site/blog first, etc.) but I wasn't totally clear on why it should be done that way, so thanks for the great insights!

I absolutely agree that duplicate content penalty (as most people misunderstand it) is a complete myth. Since 2005 (maybe 2004?) I've been spreading my articles all over the freaking place, mass submitting them, plus having them on my own sites and blogs and have not seen a single negative repercussion for doing so. They are also republished on many other blogs and websites, and ditto, no problems from that.

Okay, so just to clarify this one more time, I MUST rewrite all of my articles before submitting to EZA, right? (just wanted to see if I can hear any veins popping...)

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- WritingMadwoman 15 years ago
  
  A question just occurred to me. This is especially for JayXtreme, but input from everyone is appreciated:
  
  Jay has mentioned that he has hundreds of blogger blogs for building backlinks to his sites. I've done this on a limited basis and plan to do a lot more of it, but - do you have all of your blogs under the same account, or create a new account for each blog? Or each niche?
  
  In fact, this same question can apply to squidoo lenses, hub pages and the like. All under one account, or multiple?
  
  An example: If my main site is about pets, I want to create a dozen blogs/lenses/hubs for cats, dogs, parrots, etc. and have them all pointing back to my pets site (or even categories within the pet site).
  
  I hesitate to put a lot of time and work under just one account in case it disappears one day. It's a risk you run when you don't control the domain. I've even had a blogger blog get hijacked by a spammer and there wasn't a thing I could do about it, there's no support for free blogger blogs. I feel more inclined to create separate accounts, but not sure if it's really necessary.
  
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  Originally Posted by WritingMadwoman
  
  do you have all of your blogs under the same account, or create a new account for each blog? Or each niche?
  
  A fresh account for each niche.. and I only EVER use content that has been thoroughly re-syndicated beforehand.
  
  That way, if the Blogs/accounts do "go away".. I can simply re-generate the links again with the same content, because I have copies of it working elsewhere for me
  
  In fact, this same question can apply to squidoo lenses, hub pages and the like. All under one account, or multiple?
  
  Same situation here... different accounts...
  
  My original reason for this was to avoid customers seeing my work on a million different niches and thinking WTF is going on here?
  
  This soon translated into my need to stop people reverse-engineering my whole niche business you'd be surprised at the lengths people will go to in order to find your other niches, once they know one of them...
  
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MikeGriffith

15 years ago

I do both. Sometimes I publish it on Ezine first, and sometimes I publish it on my blog first. If I choose the latter, I rewrite a few words, play around with the title (but not the keyword phrase) and reword a couple paragraphs. But even if I didn't change anything, I still don't worry about duplicate content, because most of it's a myth. Duplication only gets Google's attention when you have the exact same content within the same domain.

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15 years ago

Woah...guys, massive thanks for this thread. I'm blown away!

I've read through it all, made so much notes.... this thread answered all my questions I had. I was searching vigorously through the forums and internet for my article marketing answers. And I now have it.

Massively grateful, you guys, Peter, Jay, Allen, James, Keith, and others who I've missed, have given information that can earn people well beyond what they could ever imagine if they put this into action. This thread is more valuable than most courses!

I got my answers, now I'm getting ready to put this all together!

And I will report to you guys once I've made a huge success of this, which I will. As I was doing various things wrong before.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheWinner

Woah...guys, massive thanks for this thread. I'm blown away!

I've read through it all, made so much notes.... this thread answered all my questions I had. I was searching vigorously through the forums and internet for my article marketing answers. And I now have it.

Massively grateful, you guys, Peter, Jay, Allen, James, Keith, and others who I've missed, have given information that can earn people well beyond what they could ever imagine if they put this into action. This thread is more valuable than most courses!

I got my answers, now I'm getting ready to put this all together!

And I will report to you guys once I've made a huge success of this, which I will. As I was doing various things wrong before.

Cheers guys, catch you soon!

It is great to hear someone actualy read the entire thread .. 10 Gold Points for you ...lol

Look forward to your success

James

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Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

It is great to hear someone actualy read the entire thread .. 10 Gold Points for you ...lol

Look forward to your success

James

Thank you James.

This info is seriously gold. I've been walking around with a bigger than normal smile on my face because the frustrating questions I had have been answered. Awesome stuff.
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Paul Hancox

15 years ago

Well, I just spent a couple of hours in the local park, soaking up the sun and reading this thread in its entirety. Who needs TV when you have the Warrior Forum, eh?

OK, I have a question for you guys, based on an ACTUAL example.

Over in another thread, Zeus66 told us about his #2 ranking on EZA for pellet gun hunting (250-300 searches a day).

If I recall, he submitted this article in April 2009, and so far it's racked up over 3,600 views. Apparently he did "almost no backlinking". It came down simply to picking the right keywords, and then making sure the article reflected those keywords.

So you guys are saying he would still likely have been able to rank #2 (or even #1 perhaps), had he got a blog, and optimized the post for the same keywords?

Or would he have needed to do something else, as well?

In other words, let's say he already owned a semi-relevant blog, gunhunting.com (for argument's sake). 4 months ago, if he'd simply created a blog post with the same title as his EZA article, and optimized his blog for title, keywords etc, ie.

gunhunting.com/pellet-gun-hunting/

... then right now his own blog article would likely be #2 or somewhere close?

If not, what else would be missing from this equation? (I'm assuming decent on-page optimization)

Backlinks were NOT needed to get his EZA article to #2, but would he NEED backlinks to get his blog article there?

I know some of you might feel you'd be repeating yourself in answering this, but I really want clarification that you believe it's likely he would be able to get to #2 had he used his blog instead, and also whether backlinks are NECESSARY for this post on his own blog, given that they are not always necessary to clinch a top 10 spot with EZA, if the keywords are chosen correctly.

I am asking, not to challenge anyone's ideas, but because I was about to launch a major EZA writing campaign... but having read this thread, I may change tactics, based on what I'm reading here... so I really just want to make sure in my own head that I'm doing the best possible thing.

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JayXtreme 15 years ago

Hey Paul

For a phrase like that... very little back-linking would be required to achieve a high ranking..

I can be almost certain, that if Zeuss would have installed a WP blog onto the domain linked to in that article, he could easily have achieved that ranking without EZA. He could probably do it now and get it listed on page one with his blog, too.

What is EVEN better about this example is.. the EXACT same article has been submitted to Zimbio and also appears on page one there

Just scroll down the page a little..

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  He already has a Youtube video on Page 1 as well ... so I'm surprised he hasn't yet put a blog page up to complete the domination of the pellet gun hunting universe.
  
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Paul,
This is going to depend upon a great many different aspects and competition plays a key role here...

You can install a blog and by using optimization you can outrank anybody, some may be more difficult than others. Again this depends greatly on many different things. Point is though by installing the blog and building it up to obtain that listing you are keeping the authority yourself and you are not making someone else a bunch of money on a glorified ad sense site.

Yes backlinks are important but again as I said this depends upon what you are doing... Some keywords are very simple to get top listing because there is very little competition.

3,600 views, ok how many of those actually clicked away by cliking on the ad sense links ??? You see this is important to factor in also when you decide if it is really worth it or not to give away all your content to another site you have no control over. Also ask yourself how many of those views was fromother marketers checking their competition ??? Again this is important also.

This is why it is always told to test, test , and test ....

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Odell

Glad you brought that up - it always crosses my mind when doing keyword research. What with the influx of more and more marketers coming into the arena and seo companies worldwide using automated search software - just how accurate is keyword research?

It always seems to be a shot in the dark these days!

-Rich

Personally I prefer to go after high competition vs low competition.. Am I crazy ??? Well, maybe but I just love the challenge and it is a great feeling to see you on page one out of 300 million results.

Now to further answer and explain my post above in reply to paul.

I recently hired Robin to write me 5 articles on a very competitive keyword / keyphrase. I posted those 5 articles to my site and did bookmarking on them and posted 1 document (created partially from 2 articles + my own text) on scribd.com. I have done nothing else as of yet.

My brand new site (which is not even live yet) is one page 1 of google for the keywords. No eza, no blogs, or anything has even been used yet.

I am not #1, yet!! but I am on page 1 and as I said the site is not even live yet. Notice I said the site is on page 1, not the articles.. I used the articles to build backlinks to the site by posting those articles on my site. Those articles are not posted on any other site.

So yes you can obtain top listings but it depends greatly on many many different things. I do plan on installing a blog and I do plan on doing many other things (step by step plans are in this very thread) but the bottom line is here "Yes you can get top listings without eza" ....

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15 years ago

Quick question guys.

Lets say I'm promoting an affiliate product and I have a presell page built within my own blog. Do you think, my Call to Action should direct them to my presell page within my blog, or directly to the affiliate offer? The link will be in anchor text for the keywords I'm optimizing for.

The reason I ask is because ezine articles will obviously want the same call to action to go to my own presell page.

Your thoughts will be appreciated.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheWinner

Quick question guys.

Lets say I'm promoting an affiliate product and I have a presell page built within my own blog. Do you think, my Call to Action should direct them to my presell page within my blog, or directly to the affiliate offer? The link will be in anchor text for the keywords I'm optimizing for.

The reason I ask is because ezine articles will obviously want the same call to action to go to my own presell page.

Your thoughts will be appreciated.

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You want to take them to your blog first - Pre-sell and I hope you have a "Opt-In Form" ... This will be far better than just taking them to the affiliate offer.

Getting them on your list will allow you to contact them with other related offers.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheWinner

Quick question guys.

Lets say I'm promoting an affiliate product and I have a presell page built within my own blog. Do you think, my Call to Action should direct them to my presell page within my blog, or directly to the affiliate offer? The link will be in anchor text for the keywords I'm optimizing for.

The reason I ask is because ezine articles will obviously want the same call to action to go to my own presell page.

Your thoughts will be appreciated.

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You mean from an EZA article? It despends on the article, the type of content, and the setup for the call to action. Most people would probably suggest that you send them to the pre-sales page so that you can warm them up before sending them over to the sales page. If you're going to send them straight to the sales page, you'd of course need a redirect URL anyway, so you can always experiment later by re-routing them to a pre-sell, review, whatever.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

You want to take them to your blog first - Pre-sell and I hope you have a "Opt-In Form" ... This will be far better than just taking them to the affiliate offer.

Getting them on your list will allow you to contact them with other related offers.

James

Thats great, thanks for the advice. I've been taking them from my presell to the offer, but I will be making an opt-in also now.

Originally Posted by Ben Roy

You mean from an EZA article? It despends on the article, the type of content, and the setup for the call to action. Most people would probably suggest that you send them to the pre-sales page so that you can warm them up before sending them over to the sales page. If you're going to send them straight to the sales page, you'd of course need a redirect URL anyway, so you can always experiment later by re-routing them to a pre-sell, review, whatever.

Thank you also. Thats cleared things up a bit.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheWinner

Quick question guys.

Lets say I'm promoting an affiliate product and I have a presell page built within my own blog. Do you think, my Call to Action should direct them to my presell page within my blog, or directly to the affiliate offer? The link will be in anchor text for the keywords I'm optimizing for.

The reason I ask is because ezine articles will obviously want the same call to action to go to my own presell page.

Your thoughts will be appreciated.

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I always prefer to send them to a pre-sell page after the article..

You'd have to have a damn strong article to do your pre-selling for you...

Tease with the short article.. pre-sell with a page..

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Banned 15 years ago

what goes on a presell page? Is that review page? Is that a squeeze page>? Not sure I understand/

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Originally Posted by clarissa25

what goes on a presell page? Is that review page? Is that a squeeze page>? Not sure I understand/

Any of the above. It could be a review, or it could just be something that transitions users from whatever was in your article to whatever you're about to try to sell them. It could also be an opt-in and never directly routes them to a sales page at all. The point is that people coming straight from your article may not be quite ready to reach into their wallets - a presell page gives you the opportunity to get them ready to buy.
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Well just checked one of my listing and I am currently #5 out of a very very competitive keyword - Results 1 - 10 of about 1,490,000,000 Unless Google is broke ..lol EZA is no where to be found either ..lol Like I said maybe I am crazy but that is the competition I love, it helps keep you motivated BIG TIME!

Not going to release the keyword here, but I have been using the same step by step plan I posted on page 1 of this thread maybe it is page 2... Hmm . Maybe I need to read the thread again ...lol

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Paul Hancox

15 years ago

Hey James

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Well just checked one of my listing and I am currently #5 out of a very very competitive keyword - Results 1 - 10 of about 1,490,000,000 Unless Google is broke ..lol EZA is no where to be found either ..lol Like I said maybe I am crazy but that is the competition I love, it helps keep you motivated BIG TIME!

Congrats

I'm curious though... I'm presuming the 1,490,000,000 are WITHOUT quotes?

If so, would you agree those billion pages are mostly NOT competition, in any real sense of the world?

This is why I don't personally pay much attention to how many pages are returned.

In fact, I've often seen times where MILLIONS of pages simply become a few THOUSAND when you stick quotes around the keywords, which tells me those millions were basically irrelevant.

Even if you get, say, 100,000 or even a million pages returned with the keywords in quotes, you could still nab a Top 10 spot with better optimizing, backlinks and domain age than those in the Top 10, right?

I appreciate it's not quite as simple as that... there is always going to be the Google "unknown" factor... but I'm just saying the numbers of pages returned don't seem THAT relevant, really.

Or am I missing something?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Hancox

Hey James

Congrats

I'm curious though... I'm presuming the 1,490,000,000 are WITHOUT quotes?

If so, would you agree those billion pages are mostly NOT competition, in any real sense of the world?

This is why I don't personally pay much attention to how many pages are returned.

In fact, I've often seen times where MILLIONS of pages simply become a few THOUSAND when you stick quotes around the keywords, which tells me those millions were basically irrelevant.

Even if you get, say, 100,000 or even a million pages returned with the keywords in quotes, you could still nab a Top 10 spot with better optimizing, backlinks and domain age than those in the Top 10, right?

I appreciate it's not quite as simple as that... there is always going to be the Google "unknown" factor... but I'm just saying the numbers of pages returned don't seem THAT relevant, really.

Or am I missing something?

Hi Paul,
Yes that is WITHOUT quotes, I search just like a possible customer would search...

Yes I would agree not billions are competition but at the same time the first 20 or 30 pages are very stiff competition. It is said that mostly people normally do not go past the 2nd or 3rd page.

There are many different aspects here that could be taken into account. For example in England I am listed #3 in the results.

Point is though when you do better optimization, seo, building backlinks, and etc. then you can always grab a top 10 spot. Some are harder than others of course. This is one I am very proud of because the #1 & #2 listings is held by a person that actually has the domain name that is the keywords. So for me to creep up behind him and take over is a huge feat.

And yes there is always some unknown google factor ...lol and I would agree the number of pages really do not matter as much. It's just nice to see the number of competitors that you are beating ...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Yes I would agree not billions are competition but at the same time the first 20 or 30 pages are very stiff competition. It is said that mostly people normally do not go past the 2nd or 3rd page.

Well, if there's real stiff competition in the first 20 or 30 pages, then you've done exceptionally well!

There are many different aspects here that could be taken into account. For example in England I am listed #3 in the results.

You know, I keep forgetting about regional results. Thanks for reminding me.

Point is though when you do better optimization, seo, building backlinks, and etc. then you can always grab a top 10 spot. Some are harder than others of course. This is one I am very proud of because the #1 & #2 listings is held by a person that actually has the domain name that is the keywords. So for me to creep up behind him and take over is a huge feat.

Nice one. Yeah, I'm attempting to do the same with someone who has the domain name of the keywords I'm targetting. They're at #3, I'm at #4. Mind you, I'm pretty confident I'll be overtaking them in the not-too-distant future

I don't think it's anywhere near as competitive as the one you're describing.

Again, nice one! It's good to know Google picked your page over 1 BILLION others!

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15 years ago

Can you please tell me what EZA is?
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Can you please tell me what EZA is?
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Banned 15 years ago

does anyone think it's worth it to purchase article bot and submit articles to all those other directories. or is it good just to stay with the major sites like ezines and go articles.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by clarissa25

does anyone think it's worth it to purchase article bot and submit articles to all those other directories. or is it good just to stay with the major sites like ezines and go articles.

The answer to that is in this thread, care to read the entire thread ?? I only say this because it would be more helpful to you to have you read the thread vs just answering the same question again...

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15 years ago

I've read much of this thread, though I admit I didn't take a fine-tooth comb to it. Please try to be gentle with the "OMG READ THE THREAD!!!1!" remarks.

Question: Has anyone had an article rejected from EZA on the basis of it appearing on another article directory or blog first. In other words, has an EZA article ever been rejected for appearing to be duplicate content.

Regardless of if they ask you to submit it to them first, I'm wondering if they actually check to see if it appears elsewhere online.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Freeman77

I've read much of this thread, though I admit I didn't take a fine-tooth comb to it. Please try to be gentle with the "OMG READ THE THREAD!!!1!" remarks.

Question: Has anyone had an article rejected from EZA on the basis of it appearing on another article directory or blog first. In other words, has an EZA article ever been rejected for appearing to be duplicate content.

Regardless of if they ask you to submit it to them first, I'm wondering if they actually check to see if it appears elsewhere online.

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Thanks in advance!

Yes I have.. The article was posted on my site first, which is also an article directory. The article was rejected saying it belonged to someone else and I had to prove it belonged to me, then it was approved about 5 days later and after about 6 support ticket replies.

Another article was rejected because I linked to my own TLD ... Yep, all my resource box did was link to my domain name, no affiliate links, no redirects, no sub-domain.... I changed the resource box to my blog which was mydomain.com/blogname and then the article was aproved. Now if that is not stupid I donot know what is...

Another was rejected because it said the word "SPINNER" ... I just deleted it and did not bother to even try to contact support. What is amazing is that the article was first approved and then a week later rejected. There are many little stupid things like this that go on with EZA... A 3rd reason why I do not bother posting to their glorified ad sense site anymore.

So as you can see the reasons are really stupid and after dealing with 2 articles, the third I said the heck with it. And before you ask yes I was already upgraded which means I already had articles in the system before they started this.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Freeman77

I've read much of this thread, though I admit I didn't take a fine-tooth comb to it. Please try to be gentle with the "OMG READ THE THREAD!!!1!" remarks.

Question: Has anyone had an article rejected from EZA on the basis of it appearing on another article directory or blog first. In other words, has an EZA article ever been rejected for appearing to be duplicate content.

Regardless of if they ask you to submit it to them first, I'm wondering if they actually check to see if it appears elsewhere online.

Thanks!!

Thanks in advance!

Yes..

They do occasionally check.

But

Providing you can prove that YOU are the creator of that content... it is't a problem and they will approve your content.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Yes..

They do occasionally check.

But

Providing you can prove that YOU are the creator of that content... it is't a problem and they will approve your content.

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Jay

Jay's right. And in some cases they will make a note in your account somehow so that it does not happen in the future.

Works for me.

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cliffordGuru

15 years ago

I had an article rejected from EZA (my own) because it was also on my own site. It was posted to my own site the same day it was submitted to EZA. That was the last of several issues Ive had w/ EZA over the years and I now use other directories.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

I stopped looking at all that competition stuff long ago. To me, if a keyword phrase is going to be profitable for me, I create pages for that keyword phrase...period.

I don't care if there 40 gazillion competitors or that it only gets searched 10 times a day...if it can bring in a new client or a sale, I'm going for it.

All of you who are leaving a keyword phrase alone because only 10 people search for that phrase every day are plainly and simply leaving money on the table. You may only get 10 hits a months from it, but if that converts into a sale, then it was time well spent.

Just because people don't search for it often doesn't mean it's not a kickass keyword phrase.

On the other hand, if there are a trillion competing websites for the phrase, who cares. There is a relatively good chance you can get it in the top 3 pages, and a very HIGH chance that your page will rank for several other long-tails on accident!

So for me, keyword research is not about competition or # of searches at all. It is about which phrases are converting, or which phrases I am willing to (and finding to) test out as an investment for the overall future of the web page and domain.

Just a different way of thinking about it I guess.

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Alminc

15 years ago

Hi guys,

This is really amazing thread, I read it up to page 6 and then my head was
full of questions, so I jumped over some pages to write this post.

Thanks to some advanced warriors such as James, Peter Gibson, Allen,
etc. I learned that the best way to publish my own articles is:

1. Publish the article first on my site
2. Bookmark the article, submit my rss feeds from bookmarking sites
3. Submit the article at EZA
4. Submit the same article to other 10 major article directories
5. Mass submit the same article (spinned or not) to as many sites/directories as I wish

and all that without worrying about duplicate content, because it's a myth.

I recently asked the question at EZA if I must submit my articles to EZA
first or not and one of the editors answered me that I can submit my
articles first on my site, or even other directories, but I just need to
make it clear that I am the author, either by using the same resource
box or copyright notice.

Here is the answer I got:

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Hi Almin,
You can submit your articles to any other site that you would like to.
One thing we recommend when doing so, is to associate the articles with your author name here so there won't be any disputes when it comes to content similar to another source.
Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
Thank you,
Vanessa
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At 07:16 AM 8/1/2009 Saturday, you wrote:
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> Hi, 
> 
> You say that articles must be original, but does that mean that the articles must be published on Ezine Articles first? Can I first publish my articles on my own websites before I submit them here? 
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> Can I also publish my articles on other major article directories? 
> In what order? Does it matter? 
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> Please explain this to me as detailed as you can. 
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> Regards 
> Almin

I have a question about RSS feeds submission. I have blogs and I
submitted my RSS feeds to all major RSS directories, but only once.

I read somewhere that you can be banned by RSS directories if you keep
re-submitting the same RSS feed.

Is that true? Do I really have to submit my RSS feed only once?
What will happen if I re-submit the same feed?
Is it enough to submit only once?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

I have a question about RSS feeds submission. I have blogs and I
submitted my RSS feeds to all major RSS directories, but only once.

I read somewhere that you can be banned by RSS directories if you keep
re-submitting the same RSS feed.

Is that true? Do I really have to submit my RSS feed only once?
What will happen if I re-submit the same feed?
Is it enough to submit only once?

Almin

Hey Almin,
Rss Feeds only need submitted once because once they are in the database they stay there. I personally have never heard of a Rss Directory banning an account because they submit (or try to submit) a url more than once. All that really happens is it rejects the duplicate submission.

Since it is already in the database there is no need to submit more than once. You can always find new sites to submit it to though, there are thousands if you search google...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

Hi guys,

This is really amazing thread, I read it up to page 6 and then my head was
full of questions, so I jumped over some pages to write this post.

Thanks to some advanced warriors such as James, Peter Gibson, Allen,
etc. I learned that the best way to publish my own articles is:

1. Publish the article first on my site
2. Bookmark the article, submit my rss feeds from bookmarking sites
3. Submit the article at EZA
4. Submit the same article to other 10 major article directories
5. Mass submit the same article (spinned or not) to as many sites/directories as I wish

and all that without worrying about duplicate content, because it's a myth.

I recently asked the question at EZA if I must submit my articles to EZA
first or not and one of the editors answered me that I can submit my
articles first on my site, or even other directories, but I just need to
make it clear that I am the author, either by using the same resource
box or copyright notice.

Here is the answer I got:

Code:

Hi Almin,
You can submit your articles to any other site that you would like to.
One thing we recommend when doing so, is to associate the articles with your author name here so there won't be any disputes when it comes to content similar to another source.
Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
Thank you,
Vanessa
http://EzineArticles.com/
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At 07:16 AM 8/1/2009 Saturday, you wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> You say that articles must be original, but does that mean that the articles must be published on Ezine Articles first? Can I first publish my articles on my own websites before I submit them here? 
> 
> Can I also publish my articles on other major article directories? 
> In what order? Does it matter? 
> 
> Please explain this to me as detailed as you can. 
> 
> 
> Regards 
> Almin

I have a question about RSS feeds submission. I have blogs and I
submitted my RSS feeds to all major RSS directories, but only once.

I read somewhere that you can be banned by RSS directories if you keep
re-submitting the same RSS feed.

Is that true? Do I really have to submit my RSS feed only once?
What will happen if I re-submit the same feed?
Is it enough to submit only once?

Almin

Almin,

Firstly, thanks for the kudos. It's good to know that not everyone speaks Martian around here

Also some big ups from me for getting the word from the EZAhorses mouth on this ridiculous matter! Well done mate!

As for RSS feeds, you'll want to avoid submitting the same feed as you can potentially run into problems - however a lot of feed submitters now have safeguards against aggressive submissions.

I just simply ping any new content I have on my sites. So, let's say I've just written an article on a blog, before I even leave the page I'll ping all the necessary spots with that new url/content, to let the powers that be know to come, crawl around and index the new content. It really makes no sense to do so twice.

As far as I know you are doing nothing wrong by going that route, but I'm curious to find out what James, Keith, Jay et all has to say on the matter. I've never considered RSS feeds a huge priority until lately, which is an oversight on my part for sure. But I can tell you that from my experience - pinging new content is not going to hurt anything, and submiting the same stuff more than once is redundant.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by peter gibson

Almin,

Firstly, thanks for the kudos. It's good to know that not everyone speaks Martian around here

Also some big ups from me for getting the word from the EZAhorses mouth on this ridiculous matter! Well done mate!

As for RSS feeds, you'll want to avoid submitting the same feed as you can potentially run into problems - however a lot of feed submitters now have safeguards against aggressive submissions.

I just simply ping any new content I have on my sites. So, let's say I've just written an article on a blog, before I even leave the page I'll ping all the necessary spots with that new url/content, to let the powers that be know to come, crawl around and index the new content. It really makes no sense to do so twice.

As far as I know you are doing nothing wrong by going that route, but I'm curious to find out what James, Keith, Jay et all has to say on the matter. I've never considered RSS feeds a huge priority until lately, which is an oversight on my part for sure. But I can tell you that from my experience - pinging new content is not going to hurt anything, and submiting the same stuff more than once is redundant.

Peter,
Yeah it can help greatly by submitting your RSS Feed... Since the feeds can only be submitted once many find it a waste of money to buy rss feed submission software and personally I have not seen one solution to date that is decent on rss submissions.

I am doing upgrades on my site and I will be releaseing the most advanced article submitter that will be 100% automative, not even a email address will be required. I may just build in a rss feed submitter for my members while I am at it ...

Here is the thing on Rss Feeds though, many never use them to the full extent of what they can be used for... Did you know a PodCast is nothing more than a Rss Feeds ??? Did you know many places such as squidoo and facebook allow you to display your Rss Feeds on your profiles ???

I have my Rss Feed from AP on FaceBook so everytime a article is approved it displays on facebook. This is extra exposure for my authors. I also created a related squidoo lens (although I am by far an expert there..lol) and it also displays the rss feed of articles.

I have not done anything with podcast, YET!! but when time allows I will probably venture over to Apple and set it up, I already registered and verified my iTunes account.

There are many more uses for Rss Feeds but as I said many never take full advantage here, the point is to get your message out there, everyplace you can think of... No matter what the PR or Traffic stats of this site or that site is. I can tell you now many of my clients come from low end websites that has little traffic and trust me I have had clients that have paid me $30,000 to build a site. This is why I always push for people to stop spending all their time looking for high pr sites, the amount of time they waste they could have been posted on 100 websites by them just looking for that one perfect high pr site.

Anyways I guess that is more information than was asked but as they say Over-Deliver on whatever you do ..lol

James

P.S. Ping - Yes very very good idea! I have a blog post on my WF profile about this...

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Alminc 15 years ago

I used Big Mike's RSSBot software and submited my RSS feeds to 25-30
aggregator sites. As I understand the concept, by submitting your feed
to directories you make it available for people who are building blogs
or similar news-y sites based on RSS feeds. If they pick your feed your
excerpts are then syndicated.

I would like to know the way to automatically submit RSS feed to much
more than 30 sites. Doing it manually with 100s of sites would be too
time consuming.

There are some other things I would like to hear your opinion about,
namely how effective in terms of getting traffic is mass article submission?
For example if I use Article Marketer for mass submission, will that
generate considerable traffic through the resource box link? What
is your experience with that type of submissions?
Also, how many articles per month is needed to see some good traffic?

Next, in terms of backlinks, does it really pay to spin articles, and use
submitters like Article Post Robot that submittes somewhat unique
version of the article to each directory?
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Paul Hancox 15 years ago

Allen, that's an interesting perspective and it makes a lot of sense.

A lot of people tell you to ignore searches under, say, 500 a month... but as you point out, that could be leaving money on the table!

Plus, it may be even easier to get highly ranked for these low searched keywords, because everyone else is ignoring them

And if you target them correctly, they could be EVEN MORE responsive, simply because few other people have bothered targeting them.

This entire thread deserves awards.
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sikaz

15 years ago

I think it is much better to put your article on your site first and later rewrite to send to EZA.I do this myself.

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Rick B

15 years ago

I just wanted to check in with my first message here to let you guys and gals know that there are a few of us newbies who read for a while before we post at a new forum. That saved me from being one of the dreaded "Duplicate Content Is Bad" guys.

I really appreciate your sharing this information as I was spending many hours rewriting articles because I believed that the links wouldn't count from duplicate article sites!

I can provide proof of one of the points that has been discussed here. EzineArticles definitely will accept articles that are already listed at Google. I submitted a half dozen articles through iSnare's distribution service about six months ago and they all had hundreds of listings at Google from different article sites. I noticed that some of the highest ranking article sites did not have those articles listed (including EZA) and submitted them manually. EZA accepted all of them. I do use my real name on all submissions so that may have assured them that they were my articles (or they just didn't bother to check). In any case, they will definitely not only accept articles that you first put at your site, they also accept them if they've been mass-distributed. Or at least they did in my case for six articles.

Thanks again for this terrific thread!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Hi Rick,
Welcome to the forum and thanks for taking the time to read the thread.

I would like to add that spun articles actually do have many uses, I have posted this many times and should actual post it on my WF Blog..lol

Spun articles - Although as I said this is your choice to spin or not, it is NOT required.

By spinning your articles you can get the following benefits

* More publishers will pickup and republish your articles because the same exact article is not posted on 1,000's of sites.

* The spun versions can be used to create short reports to help build a opt-in list.

* The spun versions can be split up and used for short blog post.

* The spun versions can be packaged and sold as a PLR product.

* The spun articles can be used on sites such as MyArticleNetwork.com (where many blog owners will pick them up and republish them)

* The spun versions can be used to create squidoo lenses and hubpages

* The spun versions can be created into pdf's and posted on document sharing sites like scribd.com

* There are many more uses, the uses of spun articles is only limited by your imagination...

James

Originally Posted by Rick B

I just wanted to check in with my first message here to let you guys and gals know that there are a few of us newbies who read for a while before we post at a new forum. That saved me from being one of the dreaded "Duplicate Content Is Bad" guys.

I really appreciate your sharing this information as I was spending many hours rewriting articles because I believed that the links wouldn't count from duplicate article sites!

I can provide proof of one of the points that has been discussed here. EzineArticles definitely will accept articles that are already listed at Google. I submitted a half dozen articles through iSnare's distribution service about six months ago and they all had hundreds of listings at Google from different article sites. I noticed that some of the highest ranking article sites did not have those articles listed (including EZA) and submitted them manually. EZA accepted all of them. I do use my real name on all submissions so that may have assured them that they were my articles (or they just didn't bother to check). In any case, they will definitely not only accept articles that you first put at your site, they also accept them if they've been mass-distributed. Or at least they did in my case for six articles.

Thanks again for this terrific thread!

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beninewie

15 years ago

But if I submit my article to my blog and EZA I'll get hit by the duplicate content penalty........

muhahahahahahaha I think I just made Peter, Jay, Allen, James, Keith, and all the others I have missed have a little coniption fit

Fantastic thread guys, heaps of great info! For those reading this, here's my two cents about the best kinds of information (in order):

1. Information I have tested myself and proven to be true
2. Information from people with a proven track record that has been tested and shown to be true.
3. The rest isn't worth the time it takes to read

So with that in mind I would suggest everyone who's taken the time to read this thread go and write an article, then go try one of the great plans suggested earlier by the guys I mentioned above. That way instead of relying on other peoples information, you'll have your very own and that's always better!

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15 years ago

Hi Ben,
Yeah must admit you had me going there for a minute ... Good one ..lol

James

Originally Posted by beninewie

But if I submit my article to my blog and EZA I'll get hit by the duplicate content penalty........

muhahahahahahaha I think I just made Peter, Jay, Allen, James, Keith, and all the others I have missed have a little coniption fit

Fantastic thread guys, heaps of great info! For those reading this, here's my two cents about the best kinds of information (in order):

1. Information I have tested myself and proven to be true
2. Information from people with a proven track record that has been tested and shown to be true.
3. The rest isn't worth the time it takes to read

So with that in mind I would suggest everyone who's taken the time to read this thread go and write an article, then go try one of the great plans suggested earlier by the guys I mentioned above. That way instead of relying on other peoples information, you'll have your very own and that's always better!

Cheers,
Ben

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Christie Love

15 years ago

To bypass the confusion on which to submit an article to, first, I rewrite all my articles, just to be on the safe side.

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Originally Posted by Christie Love

To bypass the confusion on which to submit an article to, first, I rewrite all my articles, just to be on the safe side.

Exactly. When in doubt always err on the side of caution.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by gjedda63

I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently.

I think the best strategy is to write not only one articles but as many as possible.
First of all make sure you write a very good article with target keyword or key phrase and publish it in you blog. then write 6 or more articles related to the same niche that you will publish in the web 2.0 site (squidoo, scribd, hubpages...) or articles directories, direct one link to your main site and create a link wheel with the 6 other articles.

Rinse, repeat as often as possible!

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15 years ago

Web 2.0 second, build the value of your own web site first.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

I just reread the entire thread too...and it took me so long that I think a lot of it is obsolete already!!!

Anyhow, off to submit some content to EZA first.

LOL - JK

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15 years ago

Impressive and very informative Thread.....

Seems like some extensive research work is being carried out in some GREAT institute...

Thanks all for your great contribution, especially of those who practically tested several ideas, explained in this thread, and shared the results....

Regards and Thanks All again.

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15 years ago

I post it on the site that I want it on first, do some social bookmarking and then post it to the articles sites after about a week.

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EricThor

15 years ago

Isn't this topic irrelevant now and forever?

I post about 200 backlinks per month to my sites and no longer give my articles away - I get on the 1st page of Google in no time and #1 many times. Costs me about $15 and 1 full day of my time per month.

When someone finds my articles I know it was my hard work and not a company making money from selling competitive Google ads off of my articles. If anyone is going to make money from my work its me.

So who needs to put the time into spinning and supplying articles to article warehouses anymore? I sure don't.

Did I miss something?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by EricThor

Isn't this topic irrelevant now and forever?

I post about 200 backlinks per month to my sites and no longer give my articles away - I get on the 1st page of Google in no time and #1 many times. Costs me about $15 and 1 full day of my time per month.

When someone finds my articles I know it was my hard work and not a company making money from selling competitive Google ads off of my articles. If anyone is going to make money from my work its me.

So who needs to put the time into spinning and supplying articles to article warehouses anymore? I sure don't.

Did I miss something?

You missed a great deal, go back to page one and read the thread before posting to it ... Then you will understand why you are missing something..

James

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EricThor

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

You missed a great deal, go back to page one and read the thread before posting to it ... Then you will understand why you are missing something..

James

Isn't sending an article to EZA all about the backlink that you will be awarded for your effort? That's one link and if its syndicated more will follow.

The hoops that EZA makes me go through are truly intrusive:

They tell me if my article is right or wrong
They don't want duplicate content yet they sell it
They tell me if my website is up to their standards
They take their sweet time reviewing my article
They invite competitors to compete against me when folks read my article

On the other hand I could have put 3 links on each of 200 websites PR 8,7,6,5,and 4 for the month.

I see no reason to ever submit another article to any article warehouse.

Again I ask, what am I missing here?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by EricThor

Isn't sending an article to EZA all about the backlink that you will be awarded for your effort? That's one link and if its syndicated more will follow.

The hoops that EZA makes me go through are truly intrusive:

They tell me if my article is right or wrong
They don't want duplicate content yet they sell it
They tell me if my website is up to their standards
They take their sweet time reviewing my article
They invite competitors to compete against me when folks read my article

On the other hand I could have put 3 links on each of 200 websites PR 8,7,6,5,and 4 for the month.

I see no reason to ever submit another article to any article warehouse.

Again I ask, what am I missing here?

While I am not going to get into the PR crap again because frankly I do not feel like it right now as I just spent until 3:30am at the emergency room, followed up by spending the entire day at my doctors.

I will say this.. I do not submit to EZA because I do not agree with their methods, this is my decision but I do not push my opinion on someone else. Point #1 - What you are missing is that there are some article directories that are 100% ad free that could boost you even better than a so called PR 7 site, there are some article directories like ArticlesBase that can increase your rankings..

Point #2 - I have 12 PM's and Emails from people that are doing the plan I posted on page 1 of this thread and they are finally making money. I applaud these people for taking action and doing something that is actually helping them...

Again read the thread before just posting....

James

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

While I am not going to get into the PR crap again because frankly I do not feel like it right now as I just spent until 3:30am at the emergency room, followed up by spending the entire day at my doctors.

I will say this.. I do not submit to EZA because I do not agree with their methods, this is my decision but I do not push my opinion on someone else. Point #1 - What you are missing is that there are some article directories that are 100% ad free that could boost you even better than a so called PR 7 site, there are some article directories like ArticlesBase that can increase your rankings..

Point #2 - I have 12 PM's and Emails from people that are doing the plan I posted on page 1 of this thread and they are finally making money. I applaud these people for taking action and doing something that is actually helping them...

Again read the thread before just posting....

James

Here is the OP's #1 post:

"I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently. "

What I am suggesting is that you write your article, for just your website, and then spend the time building backlinks that you have 100% control over - you do it yourself and just leave the article warehouses out of this.

To me the idea of article warehouses is just antiquated with the ability to build an unlimited amount of backlinks from PR 4-8 sites. Why mess around with EZA and all their BS?

I am still interested in knowing why folks spin and send in articles to article warehouses - it seems like your time would be better spent controlling your own destiny and YOU supply the backlinks.

I can have a PR 8 or 7 backlink in 1 minute and it will show up in a higher placement on the search page in just hours. I play the Google dance and crank out articles and backlinks to keep on page 1 or position 1 of Google.

Hard to do that with EZA and a long holiday weekend where everyone went home. In the time they respond to just 1 article I can have 100 PR 8 -4 links installed and Google reflecting the new authority sites.

Now if this is NOT about backlinks I'd like to know just what its about?

And I am looking for an answer and not some comment that answers nothing.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

While I am not going to get into the PR crap again because frankly I do not feel like it right now as I just spent until 3:30am at the emergency room, followed up by spending the entire day at my doctors.

I will say this.. I do not submit to EZA because I do not agree with their methods, this is my decision but I do not push my opinion on someone else. Point #1 - What you are missing is that there are some article directories that are 100% ad free that could boost you even better than a so called PR 7 site, there are some article directories like ArticlesBase that can increase your rankings..

Point #2 - I have 12 PM's and Emails from people that are doing the plan I posted on page 1 of this thread and they are finally making money. I applaud these people for taking action and doing something that is actually helping them...

Again read the thread before just posting....

James

Mr. James, did you receive my e-mail yet?

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by breakdance

Mr. James, did you receive my e-mail yet?

Yes.. It is currently unread, I will respond when I get a minute and give you a link to a detailed answer.

James
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dou9las

15 years ago

Originally Posted by EricThor

Isn't this topic irrelevant now and forever?

I post about 200 backlinks per month to my sites and no longer give my articles away - I get on the 1st page of Google in no time and #1 many times. Costs me about $15 and 1 full day of my time per month.

When someone finds my articles I know it was my hard work and not a company making money from selling competitive Google ads off of my articles. If anyone is going to make money from my work its me.

So who needs to put the time into spinning and supplying articles to article warehouses anymore? I sure don't.

Did I miss something?

Eric, can you either post, or PM me, with some info on this? You mentioned that you can get high PR links for cheap, and quickly, and it sounds like your not neccessarily trying to hide your methods (correct me if so..) but I would LOVE to know what you are doing.

I love this thread, and a similar one that is going on in parallel...I have been struggling over whether or not I need to worry about being able to rank well with articles used on both my blogs/sites and the directories, i.e. if one or the other gets wasted (dupe content.)

Seems like what is emerging is that myths about dupe content should be ignored (as it applies to article marketing) and that ranking a niche blog better than EZA or others is actually way more realistic than conventional SEO wisdom would prescribe, both based on frequently updated content and backlinking.

To me, all else being equal, I would think that a newbie, or someone not yet established in a niche, would by default do both. But, I totally agree with you and the other posters that unanimously agree that investing in your own web real estate is a way smarter play than renting it from EZA or the others.

However, by using both, your getting all the benefits of stuffing your blog with unique content that gets well ranked BUT, with all the exposure, and bonus backlinks, that you get from distributing content through the article directories.

Here's an example that I experienced very recently. I wrote an article and published it at EZA a months ago, which I just forgot about as I moved on with other articles and niches. Then suddenly, I started getting a noticeable spike in traffic from this particular article, for the first time.

I never did a thing for backlinking on that particular article prior to making the discovery that not only was it ranking on the first page of Google for my targeted keyword, but when I do a "link:myarticle.com" operator at Google, it returns 38 registered backlinks (not bad for GGL, considering it shows you just a small % of actual count..) and even more revealing: at Yahoo, that article is returning 1400+ backlinks..

In case anyone is interested, here's the article:
Cheap Home Phone Service

Some of those links may or may not be from publishers, but the majority of those links originate with Ezinearticles. I believe this is primarily owing to the fact that the article itself emerged as one of the "most read in category" which puts a link to it on every page of every article in its category. (And I saw that a couple of weeks ago, so don't quote me, it may no longer be on the "most read' list...)

Not that this is typical of course, and I am not arguing this would be a good reason to submit to EZA and nowhere else, just that I was surprised to see this, and it leads me again back to, doing anything but publishing at both (blog and directories) would be essentially leaving traffic (i.e. $) on the table. Of course, always prioritizing your own blog/site first.

Also, to me it's just a reminder that if you do publish at the article directories, the better your content, in addition to higher CTRs and sales, the greater SEO value you get in the long run.

Hmm. I wonder if this would make a good WSO: "How to Get Your EZA Article in the Most Read Category for THOUSANDS of Backlinks and TONS of Traffic and Sales..." (okay, that's a little much

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by dou9las

Eric, can you either post, or PM me, with some info on this? You mentioned that you can get high PR links for cheap, and quickly, and it sounds like your not neccessarily trying to hide your methods (correct me if so..) but I would LOVE to know what you are doing.

I love this thread, and a similar one that is going on in parallel...I have been struggling over whether or not I need to worry about being able to rank well with articles used on both my blogs/sites and the directories, i.e. if one or the other gets wasted (dupe content.)

Seems like what is emerging is that myths about dupe content should be ignored (as it applies to article marketing) and that ranking a niche blog better than EZA or others is actually way more realistic than conventional SEO wisdom would prescribe, both based on frequently updated content and backlinking.

To me, all else being equal, I would think that a newbie, or someone not yet established in a niche, would by default do both. But, I totally agree with you and the other posters that unanimously agree that investing in your own web real estate is a way smarter play than renting it from EZA or the others.

However, by using both, your getting all the benefits of stuffing your blog with unique content that gets well ranked BUT, with all the exposure, and bonus backlinks, that you get from distributing content through the article directories.

Here's an example that I experienced very recently. I wrote an article and published it at EZA a months ago, which I just forgot about as I moved on with other articles and niches. Then suddenly, I started getting a noticeable spike in traffic from this particular article, for the first time.

I never did a thing for backlinking on that particular article prior to making the discovery that not only was it ranking on the first page of Google for my targeted keyword, but when I do a operator at Google, it returns 38 registered backlinks (not bad for GGL, considering it shows you just a small % of actual count..) and even more revealing: at Yahoo, that article is returning 1400+ backlinks..

In case anyone is interested, here's the article:

Some of those links may or may not be from publishers, but the majority of those links originate with Ezinearticles. I believe this is primarily owing to the fact that the article itself emerged as one of the "most read in category" which puts a link to it on every page of every article in its category. (And I saw that a couple of weeks ago, so don't quote me, it may no longer be on the "most read' list...)

Not that this is typical of course, and I am not arguing this would be a good reason to submit to EZA and nowhere else, just that I was surprised to see this, and it leads me again back to, doing anything but publishing at both (blog and directories) would be essentially leaving traffic (i.e. $) on the table. Of course, always prioritizing your own blog/site first.

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I used to write articles, spin them, and had a service send them to 400+ article warehouses. Then I subscribed to 2 backlink companies here, Angela Edwards and Paul Johnson and use Comment Kahuna and rank much higher.

That's why I question anyone spending a single second submitting articles to any article warehouse when it seems to be old technology like a buggy whip.

I've done my own tests and have proven to myself that for the time spent building backlinks with these services is much more effective for me.

All of this is really about Google and how important unique articles, every other day, and high ranking backlinks seems to be what it wants right now. Who knows about tomorrow and Google...

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by EricThor

I used to write articles, spin them, and had a service send them to 400+ article warehouses. Then I subscribed to 2 backlink companies here, Angela Edwards and Paul Johnson and use Comment Kahuna and rank much higher.

That's why I question anyone spending a single second submitting articles to any article warehouse when it seems to be old technology like a buggy whip.

I've done my own tests and have proven to myself that for the time spent building backlinks with these services is much more effective for me.

All of this is really about Google and how important unique articles, every other day, and high ranking backlinks seems to be what it wants right now. Who knows about tomorrow and Google...

This is NOT just about google and spun articles have many more uses besides submitting them to article directories. Not every article directory is a article warehouse either...

James

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EricThor

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This is NOT just about google and spun articles have many more uses besides submitting them to article directories. Not every article directory is a article warehouse either...

James

I'm sorry, but if you don't think this is ALL about Google then I question everything you say.

Of course this is all about Google. You need to understand that or your marketing efforts are doomed.

All you need is to use the Google search page and understand what new goodies are available FREE to everyone (a bunch in the last 3 months). You don't need any other program but that Google search page to find a zillion niches and Wordpress and $15 per month for the backlinks.

Then use all the other FREE Google tools - no need to buy anything else. (I use the Wonder Wheel 1 hour a day to find new niches)

That and a lot of hard work - but no need to every submit an article to any article warehouse or any other site that is going to make money from your article.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by EricThor

Of course this is all about Google. You need to understand that or your marketing efforts are doomed.

I have run my business full time online for over 15 years and have supported my family, paid for my brand new home, and besides the recent medical bills - I am 100% debt free...

So I am sorry but I will have to respectfully disagree...

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EricThor

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I have run my business full time online for over 15 years and have supported my family, paid for my brand new home, and besides the recent medical bills - I am 100% debt free...

So I am sorry but I will have to respectfully disagree...

James

15 years ago cell phones were the size of a brick - technology is accelerating at an unbelievable pace - Google changes by the day.

In the past 3 months the tools released by Google make much of what is sold for this market obsolete and unnecessary. Same with the techniques. My contention is that article submissions are now inferior to building backlinks.

Google can change tomorrow and some new strategy will become superior.

That's all I'm saying. So to answer the OP's question - write original articles and forget submitting them to anyone. Instead, build backlinks yourself and don't rely on EZA or anyone else to impact your life. (Well, anyone but Google)

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by EricThor

15 years ago cell phones were the size of a brick - technology is accelerating at an unbelievable pace - Google changes by the day.

In the past 3 months the tools released by Google make much of what is sold for this market obsolete and unnecessary. Same with the techniques. My contention is that article submissions are now inferior to building backlinks.

Google can change tomorrow and some new strategy will become superior.

That's all I'm saying. So to answer the OP's question - write original articles and forget submitting them to anyone. Instead, build backlinks yourself and don't rely on EZA or anyone else to impact your life. (Well, anyone but Google)

Again you never bothered to even read this thread, the OP was answered many pages ago by proven facts. What you are posting is the reason why some newbies are mislead and why some will fail. You really need to stop posting your opinions as fact.

Google is not what this is all about and no article submissions are not inferior to building backlinks and no Google does not make much of what is sold for this market obsolete and unnecessary. These are not facts at all and you need to stop posting them as such.

If you was not even going to bother to read a thread why reply ???

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EricThor

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Again you never bothered to even read this thread, the OP was answered many pages ago by proven facts. What you are posting is the reason why some newbies are mislead and why some will fail. You really need to stop posting your opinions as fact.

Google is not what this is all about and no article submissions are not inferior to building backlinks and no Google does not make much of what is sold for this market obsolete and unnecessary. These are not facts at all and you need to stop posting them as such.

If you was not even going to bother to read a thread why reply ???

James

Of course this is all about Google - Google runs the internet. Look at what they are doing in China - do a Google search over there for the "wrong" phrase and soldiers show up at 4 AM to drag you away. I just met a good friend of mine who is an English translator over in China and it happens all the time. Google reports them to the officials.

Just try clicking on your own website's AdSense ads and you will find out just much Google can impact your life.

Google is what we all need to understand and take advantage of its constantly changing attitudes on how it can make the most money for their stockholders. We all can guess and experiment.

My experience lends itself to the fact that EZA and all the article warehouses are antiquated concepts that worked 6+ months ago but are not now the most efficient way to marshal your limited resources. By the time folks read this Google will be on to the next hot idea to make the most money for their stockholders. My guess it will be whatever folks talk about on the TV news; Twitter 6 months ago, something new next week.

Right now those backlinks and every other day new articles leads to higher Google rankings; at least that's my experience. Social networking is right up their now too. I can see the difference in as little as 60 minutes when I get social networking involved with my websites.

Understand all the wonderful FREE Google tools and you will find that you don't need to go elsewhere for anything. Now you do need a fresh supply of high quality reference locations to place your keyword anchor text links but that just costs a few bucks a month.

These are just my opinions - take them for what you paid for them...

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Anytime I deal with a company that treats me like dirt I move on. EZA has decided to make it their business how your website looks, if you have too many ads, and generally treats me like rubbish. There is something wrong with that picture - it didn't work for GM and it won't work for other American companies that decide to treat suppliers and customers like garbage.

Sadly I have no real alternatives to Google, Microsoft, eBay, and other monopolies that can easily snuff the life out of small companies if you cross them. They are the Standard Oil of our days and need to be broken up just like we did to AT&T (Ma Bell) decades ago.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by EricThor

Of course this is all about Google - Google runs the internet. Look at what they are doing in China - do a Google search over there for the "wrong" phrase and soldiers show up at 4 AM to drag you away. I just met a good friend of mine who is an English translator over in China and it happens all the time. Google reports them to the officials.

Just try clicking on your own website's AdSense ads and you will find out just much Google can impact your life.

I am sorry but it is NOT all about google and they do NOT run the internet.. OMG!!! Please Stop!!! ... I paid off a $80,000 home in 7 years without google and yes all that income came right from online. Google should be apart of your marketing but it should NOT be considered the only part of your marketing.

I do not have any google ads, if I have some spotted around someplace they are there because I was testing a function with a script I built. I do not have any ad sense websites.

Frankly I tire of this because:

1. You are getting off-topic
2. You are still stating your opinion as fact
3. You are misleading newbies with that type of thinking

If someone wants to stay on the topic at hand then I would be glad to respond... Otherwise I take my leave now...

James

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dou9las

15 years ago

Originally Posted by EricThor

I used to write articles, spin them, and had a service send them to 400+ article warehouses. Then I subscribed to 2 backlink companies here, Angela Edwards and Paul Johnson and use Comment Kahuna and rank much higher.

That's why I question anyone spending a single second submitting articles to any article warehouse when it seems to be old technology like a buggy whip.

I've done my own tests and have proven to myself that for the time spent building backlinks with these services is much more effective for me.

All of this is really about Google and how important unique articles, every other day, and high ranking backlinks seems to be what it wants right now. Who knows about tomorrow and Google...

Eric, thanks for posting those resources and sharing your experience. I have a couple of sites that desperately need a link campaign, perfect timing.

On spinning articles: I recently did a free trial with one of the spin/submit services, and canceled on the 3rd day. It did submit to a hell of a lot of "directories" but most of them looked very questionable in quality and authority, and a large % of those were actually clones of each other. NOT trying to "knock" them, and it does serve a purpose, i.e. some % those articles will have some link value over time (maybe) but I just wasn't that impressed.

Anyway, I've been wanting to ramp up my content publishing, and chasing my tail lately on whether making EZA my first priority for publishing content. I even sat around waiting for more than 2 weeks waiting for a bunch of articles to be approved, prior to doing anything else with that content, all because I thought it was important that it get approved and published there first (!) That's all getting reversed from now on, for me anyway.

I kind of feel like slapping myself after reading this thread

. I now feel that, whether I do use EZA or not, I sure as hell will not be letting EZA hold my quality, original articles hostage, and be dead in the water while their editors get around to "approving" my articles.

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DyLan Lee

15 years ago

EZA first, you can get huge traffic to your site. Although you are making them EZA more famous, but you earn fast.

With the money you earn, you can invest in SEO to make you site top rank in browser or google adwords to generate leads to your site and ultimately your site will really get famous and huge traffic.

If you post on your site, you need many keywords and effort to make it top rank. To me, it is better to post in EZA 1st.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by DyLan Lee

EZA first, you can get huge traffic to your site. Although you are making them EZA more famous, but you earn fast.

With the money you earn, you can invest in SEO to make you site top rank in browser or google adwords to generate leads to your site and ultimately your site will really get famous and huge traffic.

If you post on your site, you need many keywords and effort to make it top rank. To me, it is better to post in EZA 1st.

Someone else that did not bother to read the thread ....

If you post on your site, you need many keywords and effort to make it top rank. To me, it is better to post in EZA 1st.

This is 100% incorrect!!!!

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ChrisJamesG

15 years ago

Just to add a bit of fuel to the fire, I received this email today:

"...they [EZA] banned me for 3 weeks just because my article appeared on my own blog first. Just because I didn't have a bio at the end of the article on my blog they said they didn't know it was attributed to me. It took ages to work out with them and they finally put be back on but it was such a stuff around."

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisJamesG

Just to add a bit of fuel to the fire, I received this email today:

"...they [EZA] banned me for 3 weeks just because my article appeared on my own blog first. Just because I didn't have a bio at the end of the article on my blog they said they didn't know it was attributed to me. It took ages to work out with them and they finally put be back on but it was such a stuff around."

And who's content is it.... "YOURS", it is not their content. You are building their site up and if they can not appreciate you enough as an author then I would find another site that does. I would not waste my time trying to work out anything with them but that is me.

If any business does not appreciate you as a customer then what do you do ?? Here's a hint... Go find a business that does appreciate you as a customer.

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AvidAZ

15 years ago

I'm still a bit confused on this. I generally publish an article to my own site, and then syndicate it out. However, with some article sites I am able to post the same article, but with others like EZA, I have to tweak it as it is flagged as duplicate or unoriginal content.

I usually have to tweak the article enough and resubmit it, but without the EZA pro package, it can delay the approval a week.

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dou9las

15 years ago

Originally Posted by AvidAZ

I'm still a bit confused on this. I generally publish an article to my own site, and then syndicate it out. However, with some article sites I am able to post the same article, but with others like EZA, I have to tweak it as it is flagged as duplicate or unoriginal content.

I usually have to tweak the article enough and resubmit it, but without the EZA pro package, it can delay the approval a week.

Seems like the consensus from this thread and other similar ones, is that as long as you own the content - i.e. it is published under your name or a pen name that is consistant with one that you have at EZA, then you are completely free to publish that article on EZA before, during, or after you may publish it anywhere else.

I haven't looked it up in their TOS yet, but I have seen posts by more than one person here that adamantly state this to be true, and I have experienced it myself. That is, I have published articles at Goarticles or elsewhere before posting to EZA, and my content was in fact accpeted and published at EZA.

I think EZA is only concerned that you own the content and it was "original" to you, meaning you didn't buy a PLR and republish, or use somethign without owning the copyright to do so. So, in theory, the only reason why so many people believe that you have to use non-dupe content at EZA is based in a mis-interpretation of their TOS, which is perpetuated by marketers over and over again.

I was actually believing the misinterpretation for a while, thinking I must of flew under the radar on a few occasions, until reading this and other related WF threads.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by dou9las

So, in theory, the only reason why so many people believe that you have to use non-dupe content at EZA is based in a mis-interpretation of their TOS, which is perpetuated by marketers over and over again.

I was actually believing the misinterpretation for a while, thinking I must of flew under the radar on a few occasions, until reading this and other related WF threads.

Actually their own forum admin has stated you must submit to EZA first and it must be original.. I read parts of the forum and post by their admin and was frankly discusted at how they instill that misinterpretation into people.

Then when you go look at many many articles on the site they are spun articles (done by one of those cheap crap spinners) and cheap plr articles that makes very little sense.

James

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dou9las

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Actually their own forum admin has stated you must submit to EZA first and it must be original.. I read parts of the forum and post by their admin and was frankly discusted at how they instill that misinterpretation into people.

Then when you go look at many many articles on the site they are spun articles (done by one of those cheap crap spinners) and cheap plr articles that makes very little sense.

James

Well there you go. No wonder this EZA "urban myth" just won't die

Yeah, I have tried a few different spinners - they just totally suck.

I end up with something I would never want to publish in my own name, or a pen name for that matter, because it would just be embarrassing, not to mention ineffective.

Then, by the time I edit it and clean it up, I might as well have just written a new, unique article from scratch.

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freudianslip27

15 years ago

Wow, what an eye-opening thread this has been. I had no idea you could pull this off with EZA, as far as the whole duplicate content myth, I have certainly seen benefit from using "duplicate content" and spreading it around.

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Originally Posted by freudianslip27

Wow, what an eye-opening thread this has been. I had no idea you could pull this off with EZA, as far as the whole duplicate content myth...

Totally agree. Kind of liberating even...
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  I'll leave you guys with one tip, no matter what you decide to do:
  
  Set up accounts with Bit.ly and track each and every click from your anchor text. I get an accurate count of EVERY anchor text link I use. So whether it's an EZA article or GoArticle or a social networking link you will be able to track and measure how effective that link becomes.
  
  You will have to create unique landing pages so Bit.ly generates a unique link - just add some unique identifier to that landing page. E.g. www (dot) my-web-site (dot) com/Article-about-something-EZA.html would be used for your EZA article, etc.
  
  You can easily hook this up to EVERY post in WP with the Shorten2Ping plug-in.
  
  So go ahead and bend over, grab your ankles, and submit your article to EZA. Then track every click to your keyword anchor links and find out yourself just how beneficial EZA is or for the same amount of time publish 60 backlinks yourself in various PR 8,7,6,5, and 4 sites. (Takes me about 60 minutes to write, submit, and screw around with EZA - takes me 1 minute to add a new backlink myself)
  
  You will quickly prove to yourself that the time spent working on backlinks generates far more visits and with targeting websites that mean something to your website you will get more conversions to sales.
  
  Don't take anyone's word for any of this - prove it yourself with this one little trick. From now on you should be able to track EVERY click from EVERY backlink you generated yourself.
  
  Well, I've exceeded my allotted time on this thread - good luck guys...
  
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bluefoot

15 years ago

I apologize if this was asked already, I haven't read all 400 posts in this thread. As far as I can tell, it hasn't.

If you use pen names or aliases for your articles and/or website, how does Ezinearticles know that you're the owner of the content? Do you typically have an email exchange with them and provide proof?

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dou9las

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bluefoot

I apologize if this was asked already, I haven't read all 400 posts in this thread. As far as I can tell, it hasn't.

If you use pen names or aliases for your articles and/or website, how does Ezinearticles know that you're the owner of the content? Do you typically have an email exchange with them and provide proof?

EZA actually has pen names set up in their platform, called "alternate authors". So, they would look to see if your EZA alternate author (i.e. the one you publish there under) matches the author info wherever else you have published the article.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bluefoot

I apologize if this was asked already, I haven't read all 400 posts in this thread. As far as I can tell, it hasn't.

If you use pen names or aliases for your articles and/or website, how does Ezinearticles know that you're the owner of the content? Do you typically have an email exchange with them and provide proof?

They don't know and yes you normally have to go through hoops with them. If you used john doe on one site and then jane blane on eza they would give you trouble and probably suspend your account.

This happens when you are so caught up in the clouds that you think you are better than everyone else because many marketers say how great eza is. If you are going to use eza, my advice would be to use the same pen name accross the board for each specific articles for that niche.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

They don't know and yes you normally have to go through hoops with them. If you used john doe on one site and then jane blane on eza they would give you trouble and probably suspend your account.

This happens when you are so caught up in the clouds that you think you are better than everyone else because many marketers say how great eza is. If you are going to use eza, my advice would be to use the same pen name accross the board for each specific articles for that niche.

James

Thanks James, that's what I suspected. So if folks are reconsidering their article strategy to implement the website first idea, we need to be sure our identities are in order first.

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rcwilson4au

15 years ago

If you are not wanting to manipulate or "spin" the article, then post to ezine first. Ezine can usually detect the article already on your site, and then will reject it. Once posted to EZA, then post to your website.

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15 years ago

The best thing is to create 3 or 4 articles related to the same keywords, then post the best one in your web site anb publish the 2 or 3 others to different EZA with a link to your best articles in your site. (This will drive traffic to your site...)

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ralphalt

15 years ago

GJ:
I have been using EZA for a few months now and am very pleased with the results. My method is to do the EZA FIRST, in case their plagiarize tool finds the same content on my blog and I know, I know it is my content and I have the rights to publish but why make it any tougher on the EZA article approval police?

After it is published I then re-write the article into my blog post or cover some slightly different content not covered in the EZA. Hope that helps,
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Michael Stuart Kelly

15 years ago

I stopped reading this thread (for time constraints) after 150 posts, so if I am repeating what someone else says, please excuse me.

I used to have this doubt all the time: Post an article to EZA first or my site first?

Research time. I read and I read and I read, but the more I read, the more this gnawing doubt in the back of my mind would not go away. Some people say one thing and others say another. It didn't help to simply choose, either, because I am a person who likes to know what is correct and/or the best thing to do.

Then I stepped outside the box and checked the initial premise. Do I write all my articles the same way? No... So why does one size have to fit all of them?

This is like asking: Who is it better to sell to first, men or women?

The obvious answer is: It depends on what you are selling. You sell dresses to women first, you sell footballs to men first and you sell popcorn to both without making distinctions.

Article writing is a bit like that to me. I write some articles because I love the topic or I am investigating it (I run a philosophy forum). I write other articles simply to bait people to come to my sites. I write other articles to presell products. And so on. I have a specific use in mind when I write an article.

So what do I do? Submit the article to EZA first or post it on my site first? I say this depends on what I want to do with it and what it's nature is.

For instance, on a site devoted to preselling a product, I would put the main presell article on the site and not even put it on EZA. I would put other articles there instead. (Ditto for product descriptions, operating instructions, personal sounding blog posts and certain other kinds of content.)

If I am writing teaser or filler content (articles designed as bait), I would take a long hard look at the keyword I am optimizing for.

I do not want an EZA article to knock my website off the SERPS. Don't forget that the same article will be ranked by Google for the same keywords. So SERP-wise I am essentially competing with myself.

If a keyword has relatively tough competition, my site is new, and I have a short-term need for high ranking in the SERPS, EZA will rank much quicker than my new site will. EZA--as a site in itself--has enormous authority. An EZA article of mine on the first page of Google SERPS will give me a lot more traffic though my resource box link than will my own site on the 12th page. In that case, it makes all the sense in the world to go with EZA first. (I would even bookmark the article on EZA to nudge it along.)

On the other hand, if I have one of those keywords where there is 15,000 searches a month and 2,346 indexed pages, I would be a fool to submit an article to EZA first. I want my site No. 1 in this case, not EZA.

These are just a couple of thoughts on weighing what to do. There are more considerations, but that kind of thinking opened the door to me to resolve my gnawing doubt. The fact is that there is no easy way out. When writing an article and planning on what to do with it, I have to think things through from a perspective of my larger intention instead of simply following a blind rule.

But we all need rules. That's why we have thumbs. So here is my rule of thumb. If an article is really valuable content, I will put it on my site first, then EZA (if at all). Like it or not, I am the author and that is my brainchild. I want it with me first and always, irrespective of any SEO thinking.

If it is teaser content (Bum marketing style article) and I have good stuff on my site already, I might put it in an out-of-the-way place on my site to add bulk, but I will submit it to EZA first to get better ranking for the search term, especially if the search term has some serious competition.

In other words, for long-tailed keywords with low competition or no concern at all with keywords (i.e., concern just with the content), I will go with my site first. With more highly disputed keywords, I will go with EZA first.

Obviously, with a really tough keyword, the EZA first versus site first issue doesn't mean jack. Fact: I won't rank on Google's page one for that term for a few years or without some really serious SEO work.

Period.

So I just want the backlink and whatever EZA traffic I can get (including other sites that pick the article up from EZA). In that case, why not EZA first? Even still, in this case, it really doesn't matter.

Here's a thought. What if the article is poor quality? Say the stuff that comes from article spinning? You could use a pseudonym and post it to other directories or throw-away sites used for backlinks. I certainly would not suggest wrecking your reputation and posting it under your own name.

After many trials and errors and much pondering, I decided that it's OK to spin if you spin well and the final article in all its transformations is good, i.e., each version stands on its own merits. And that brings me right back to what my main intention with the article is. I, for one, can't get away from that. I am communicating when I write an article.

And that brings up another interesting thought: Since I am communicating, why not simply refuse to write poor quality crap?

Why not, indeed?

That's the attitude I have adopted after a huge amount of wading through gobs of hype and long days and weeks and months of study and reflection. I made a conscious decision to stop trying to figure out what to do with crap to promote my sites and sales. I'm not afraid of hard work if the result is good and beneficial. This posture makes me feel really good inside.

Nowadays I know exactly what to do with crap. It doesn't go to EZA first. It doesn't go to my site first. It actually doesn't go to either.

I throw it away.

Michael

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Sean Ski

15 years ago

If its a short term project and you just want to find out if the offer or your sales page converts then just post to EZA - if its a longer term project and you're trying to build an authority site then post to your site first and then post a spun copy to EZA.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Obviously, with a really tough keyword, the EZA first versus site first issue doesn't mean jack. Fact: I won't rank on Google's page one for that term for a few years or without some really serious SEO work.

Period.

Michael,
This is not true ... This is the problem on why many newbies get confused and many give up because they are told this thinking. I am sorry I have already proven a brand new site can be listed in less than a day and even have front page listing with very high competition.

All without the serious SEO work.

I got a support ticket from one of my members today asking about this because he also is given this bad advice that it takes a long time to get indexed and take front page listings. People need to stop spreading this rumor because it is simply not true.

Any site and I do mean any site can get front page listing with very little work and that even includes high competition.

Michael, this is not a fact that you posted, it may be your opinion but it is far from fact....

James

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Michael Stuart Kelly

15 years ago

TheRichJerksNet,

OK. I'm open. Let's see what you can do.

Can you rank quickly on the first page of Google with a new site for the following term?

Make money online

In fact, not opinion, of course.

Eager minds await enlightenment and instruction...

Michael

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Stuart Kelly

TheRichJerksNet,

OK. I'm open. Let's see what you can do.

Can you rank quickly on the first page of Google with a new site for the following term?

Make money online

In fact, not opinion, of course.

Eager minds await enlightenment and instruction...

Michael

That term could mean anything in the world that has to do with making money, thus it would be etturly stupid to try and rank for it (in my opinion)... If I sell a ebook on how to make money online from article marketing, I sure would not try to target "Make Money Online"...

Let's get real here....

James

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Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Let's get real here....

TheRichJerksNet,

If you can't or won't produce results, you are simply issuing an opinion. Serious people who talk facts show them. They don't pretend that calling them out is "stupid" and go on in doublespeak.

In other words, so far, what I said was true (i.e. fact), not an opinion. At least it was based on my own experience and I can prove it.

But if you don't like the term "make money online," let's try another high competition term:

Dog training

Will you tell newbies that it is possible to rank high in Google on a new site for that term "all without the serious SEO work" (as you claimed)? Or shall we get more doublespeak?

I am interested to see why my comment that these kinds of high-competition terms are too difficult to bother with unless you commit to some serious work and serious time is "the problem on why many newbies get confused and many give up."

Eager minds and all...

Michael
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winsh

15 years ago

Thanks for all the help, I usually use different articles for EZA to my content what a mistake!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Look dude,
I never said what I stated was fact, you did and I corrected what you said was fact is not fact at all.. It is your opinion and nothing more than your opinion!

I have already proven you can get indexed very easily without "serious seo work" and so has many others on this very forum. I do not have to prove anything to you at all, my point is you should not post you opinion as facts. If you think I am going to post those results in a live forum, think again...

You said:

Obviously, with a really tough keyword, the EZA first versus site first issue doesn't mean jack. Fact: I won't rank on Google's page one for that term for a few years or without some really serious SEO work.

Period.

Sorry that is not a fact ... It is your opinion.

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Michael Stuart Kelly

15 years ago

I don't post often on Warrior, but I try to provide value when I do.

I stand by every word I wrote. I'm not interested in bickering, so I see I'm in the wrong discussion here.

I'll go find one about Internet marketing and making money and that will be more in line with my goals.

Sorry folks for the intrusion.

Back to work...

Michael

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Richnana

15 years ago

I agree with you about Ezine articles last - not first. If you are going to post the article on your own site or create a blog would be best. ou could then link your article from EZA to your blog and get double duty. Of course on your blog you could include some pretty graphics and as many keywords as you like. Or you could turn your article into it's own web page. Fill it up with your keyword phrases, submit it to the article directories. You've created a lot of exposure with one article

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ChrisJamesG

15 years ago

Would people recommend linking back to the home page of your site from EZA or back to the article on your site? Or maybe linking back to a different article on your site?

Thanks for any suggestions,
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Jay Rhome

15 years ago

Wow what an AMAZING THREAD. My eyes are sore. I actually read through it all. Massively thanks to TheRichJerk, Keith, Jay, Allen, and others who I probably forget!

Things are SO much clearer now! I did waste so much time with spinning articles that I didn't ... post articles! I will still spin some for reasons TheRichJerk has provided, but now at least I won't wait or be shy about spreading my content everywhere! Wow. What a change. That'll get me a lot more into taking ACTION than ever before - that and Keith's great Plan B thread.

A couple of questions, well 3 actually:
1. I think some sites like Hubpages and Squido do require original content right?

2. What about duplicate SITES? You know, prebuilt PLR sites or ready out-of-the-box review sites. Is it wise to make them more unique, or again, just go ahead, do on page SEO and build backlinks to them?

3. In essence, one could use a PLR article, make himself/herself the author, have that article link back to his/her money site, and simply spread it to the directories, and that simple step would provide as much backlink juice as doing it with an original written article spinned to 30-40% uniqueness?

Thanks for eveything guys!

P.S. This is FAR FAR from a "joke of thread"

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Your very welcome and thanks for the PM... I will reply to that in a minute...

Originally Posted by Jay Rhome

1. I think some sites like Hubpages and Squido do require original content right?

Well, one must define original content.. hubpages are picky from what others say, I personally do not create hubpages. As for squido I have created some but they change rules so much it is hard to keep up. Supply them with quality content and you should be fine. (quality meaning valued content and not spammy content or junk content).

Originally Posted by Jay Rhome

2. What about duplicate SITES? You know, prebuilt PLR sites or ready out-of-the-box review sites. Is it wise to make them more unique, or again, just go ahead, do on page SEO and build backlinks to them?

I used to edit the coding for many turnkey sites such as Prozilla :: Turnkey Websites, Online website builder - I worked for a client that paid me $1,500 a month to create sites into unique sites. What I mean by editing is the actual coding and functions. He supplied the content for his own site. Point is the sites did not look the same and as such performed a great deal better than most that was just a copy of another site.

So to answer your question, those type of sites can be used as a base to start but I would not use them as is unless the site you got them from has proven they only have been sold to a small amount of people.

Originally Posted by Jay Rhome

3. In essence, one could use a PLR article, make himself/herself the author, have that article link back to his/her money site, and simply spread it to the directories, and that simple step would provide as much backlink juice as doing it with an original written article spinned to 30-40% uniqueness?

Thanks for eveything guys!

P.S. This is FAR FAR from a "joke of thread"

Be careful here because no matter what anyone says quality out-rules quantity any day of the week. Most PLR are junk that does not read well and have been given away to millions and some people actually do just submit them as is to directories. This not only looks bad on your as a author but it pulls down the article directory.

Personally I stay away from PLR, try writing an article on a subject you know. Then if need be get someone to help you proof read it.

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Jay Rhome

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I used to edit the coding for many turnkey sites such as Prozilla :: Turnkey Websites, Online website builder - I worked for a client that paid me $1,500 a month to create sites into unique sites. What I mean by editing is the actual coding and functions. He supplied the content for his own site. Point is the sites did not look the same and as such performed a great deal better than most that was just a copy of another site.

I thought about that too: even if I change the content, all the coding for the frames, graphics, image names, etc will still be the same...

But then again, if duplicate content is not an issue, I would have thought that the game is one of on page SEO and of course, backlinks. I'm confused now.

Be careful here because no matter what anyone says quality out-rules quantity any day of the week. Most PLR are junk that does not read well and have been given away to millions and some people actually do just submit them as is to directories. This not only looks bad on your as a author but it pulls down the article directory.

I'm very much quality focused, I mean, my goal by spreading articles would be more about backlink juice, but why not get some HUMANS at the same time

So while I agree my question remains the same. I'll rephrase it this way:

Will using one article to a 100 sites pass the same backlink juice as 1 SPINNED article (30-40% uniqueness) to create 100 variations to the same 100 sites?

If so, putting a quality article everywhere seems to be priority #1, well ahead of spinning variations of the article.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jay Rhome

I thought about that too: even if I change the content, all the coding for the frames, graphics, image names, etc will still be the same...

But then again, if duplicate content is not an issue, I would have thought that the game is one of on page SEO and of course, backlinks. I'm confused now.

I'm very much quality focused, I mean, my goal by spreading articles would be more about backlink juice, but why not get some HUMANS at the same time

So while I agree my question remains the same. I'll rephrase it this way:

Will using one article to a 100 sites pass the same backlink juice as 1 SPINNED article (30-40% uniqueness) to create 100 variations to the same 100 sites?

If so, putting a quality article everywhere seems to be priority #1, well ahead of spinning variations of the article.

Now don't get confused.. My point is with mass produced sites that all like just like 10,000 other sites are not going to get you what you want.. Who wants to see the same site over and over.

Duplicate content is a myth but you visitor/customer may not want to deal with a site that is just mass produced and looks like 10,000 other sites.

I think you are also confused here on spun articles.. Many slap out bad advice and confuse people here because they have no idea what they talk about and they claim spun articles are junk.

A unique article written by a writer and a well spun article can produce the same results. Now notice I said a "well spun article", there are many of us that can produce a spun article out of an original article and you would never be able to tell which one was spun and which one was the original.

So a unique article written by a writer vs a well spun article can produce the same exact results.You can submit that 1 unique article to 100 directories if you choose or your can properly spin it and submit. It is going to bring the same results (disclaimer, this depends upon quality).

Many spin articles for many more reasons than just submitting to article directories. Some actually submit spun articles to directories just incase someone goes on a unique content trip and start saying they do not want duplicate articles. For these people they are smart because they will never have to worry about that because they submitted properly spun articles that are not the exact same.

Personally I have done both... Submit the same to many and then submit spun articles to many. I would highly suggest testing this for yourself because nobody can truly answer your question because there are many factors involved (such as the niche you are in, the competition, are similar articles already posted high in search engines, and etc).

James

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Jay Rhome

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Now don't get confused.. My point is with mass produced sites that all like just like 10,000 other sites are not going to get you what you want.. Who wants to see the same site over and over.

Duplicate content is a myth but you visitor/customer may not want to deal with a site that is just mass produced and looks like 10,000 other sites.

OK. So if I get this right, I do NOT have to spend all this time making the site more unique, but spend my time doing the backlinks, as far as SEO is concerned. Is that accurate?

As for the human viewers, while there might be a small chance someone stumbles on the same content twice, it's probably unlikely as the possessors of the duplicate sites will surely target different keywords.

A unique article written by a writer and a well spun article can produce the same results. Now notice I said a "well spun article", there are many of us that can produce a spun article out of an original article and you would never be able to tell which one was spun and which one was the original.

So a unique article written by a writer vs a well spun article can produce the same exact results.You can submit that 1 unique article to 100 directories if you choose or your can properly spin it and submit. It is going to bring the same results (disclaimer, this depends upon quality).

Many spin articles for many more reasons than just submitting to article directories. Some actually submit spun articles to directories just incase someone goes on a unique content trip and start saying they do not want duplicate articles. For these people they are smart because they will never have to worry about that because they submitted properly spun articles that are not the exact same.

OK. It goes without saying than one can't spurt out garbage. I like to spin by sentence (3 versions of each) as it usually keeps the flow and meaning really well.

Personally I have done both... Submit the same to many and then submit spun articles to many.

You bet that's what I'll do now! Just getting the first, unspun article out there is a real time saver, and I feel I'm getting things done. It will provide momentum to do the second step.

I would highly suggest testing this for yourself because nobody can truly answer your question because there are many factors involved (such as the niche you are in, the competition, are similar articles already posted high in search engines, and etc).

Will do! Thanks for the great advice all over this thread!

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

I need to post a disclaimer.

You see, times change, rules change. Some of the things I have stated in this thread are starting to become less effective and/or need to be done in a bit of a different way. At least, from what I am seeing in my own research.

That's why I haven't posted in the article marketing all-in-one thread. Stuff changes so fast that a post made a week ago maynot even apply any more.

As has been said many times in this thread...

Test your own stuff - tweak - repeat.

As far as submitting to EZA or your site first? I don't believe it really matters much now.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

OK. So if I get this right, I do NOT have to spend all this time making the site more unique, but spend my time doing the backlinks, as far as SEO is concerned. Is that accurate?

As for the human viewers, while there might be a small chance someone stumbles on the same content twice, it's probably unlikely as the possessors of the duplicate sites will surely target different keywords.

What I am saying is personally IF I was dealing with some PLR sites I would 100% change them... I do not deal with them as I personally rather build something unique myself.

You would be surprised at how many people just slap the sites up there and never change them, trust me many do because they think they can just slap a site up and make a million overnight because some spread that bad advice around just to make sales of crappy mass produced sites.

James

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H_Wilhelm 15 years ago

I just wanted to say thanks to "James", "Keith", "JayXtreme", "Allen Graves" and "Peter Gibson" for taking the time to layout such great information and debunk the 'duplicate content' myth. As a new subscriber here to the Warrior Forum, I feel fortunate to have stumbled upon this thread FIRST, as it has opened my eyes to what I was hearing on other forums regarding 'dupe content' and how it really plays into what kind of an affect it has...or doesn't have I should say...on one's own website and/or blog.

I've also copied down the steps James outlined in post #123 and will be putting that sound advice to use over the next few days as I start to lay the foundation in what I hope becomes a promising IM business.

After reading this entire thread, which I just can't beleive I've done over the last...sh**...2 HOURS or so...it's still amazing how some people, who I would have assumed had also read the thread leading up to their own post....actually didn't...and continued to spit mis-truths, lies and/or false statements about this who 'dupe content topic... and how bad they look now once that their own comments/thoughts have pretty much been blown out of the water.

If other threads here on the Warrior Forum are as well discussed and step-by-step instructions laid out, I'm going to thoroughly enjoy my time here! ;-)

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- Jay Rhome 15 years ago
  
  I listened tonight to a great webminar with Andy Jenkins, Dan Thies and Leslie Rhode. They do a lot of testing and are supposed to have some inside info from Google as well. They have great reps so I certainly trust them when it comes to SEO.
  
  They touched on that duplicate content issue. Basically, Google does batch processes looking for duplicate content. That's why sites that have been doing well suddenly disappear from the index if most or all of the site is made of RSS feeds and other duplicate content.
  
  They probably have their plate full with scam sites so probably exact duplicate sites is only what they're after. What that means is it may happen eventually you can trigger their duplicate content filters if most or all your site is made of duplicate content. You get deindexed, basically, going for page 1 to 4 or below.
  
  Of course, many will get away with it as Google bots can't check it all. More and more it makes sense to me to write unique material, spin them well as James recommend and then spread that on the web.
  
  Using duplicate sites as I talked about above seem a bad idea if we don't make the sites more unique. Not because it's unethical or we'll get banned or sandboxed or what not, just that Google and other SE do try to weed out duplicate results when people search, and to help that they do try overtime to weed out sites that have no unique content. It makes sense to me.
  
  Of course, spreading your own article all over the place after you've "taken ownership" of it with pinging, bookmarks, and rss feeds is still totally relevant.
  
  Just make sure that you put some of your OWN stuff on your site, and not just scrape articles, posts, PLR stuff, RSS feed and other autogenerated content.
  
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jefferybaxter

15 years ago

This is my favorite thread ever..so many great ideas a man can use!

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MaryT

15 years ago

EZA had no problem that you publish a copy of an article that is on your website, i heard t mentioned from the owner in an interview

put the article on your site first in anycase, then only when it is indexed, submit it to EZA

VERY IMPORTANT RULE: do not submit to EZA until it get indexed on your website

my 2 cents
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

frans240 - Repurpose your articles mean turn them into other content to be used in other ways.

* Create Mini Reports
* Create Press Release
* Create Blog Post
* Create Ebooks
* Create PDF Documents
* Create Squido and Hubpages
* Create Videos
* And etc ....

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

frans240 - Repurpose your articles mean turn them into other content to be used in other ways.

* Create Mini Reports
* Create Press Release
* Create Blog Post
* Create Ebooks
* Create PDF Documents
* Create Squido and Hubpages
* Create Videos
* And etc ....

James

Thank you James for clearing that up!

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cryptone24

15 years ago

James thank you,
My thoughts exactly as yours on spinning your articles and the number one reason why I spin the snot of out my articles is because I don't know what those articles sites or the search engines are going to do with all the junk duplicate content and spamming out there in the future. Article sites are here to do business, and if Google says "tighten ship or we smack you", I suspect they will comply.

I suspect behavior like this is getting noticed by the FTC and giving us a bad name, making it harder for me to make a dollar...and I dont want to contrubute to the problem

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cryptone24

James thank you,
My thoughts exactly as yours on spinning your articles and the number one reason why I spin the snot of out my articles is because I don't know what those articles sites or the search engines are going to do with all the junk duplicate content and spamming out there in the future. Article sites are here to do business, and if Google says "tighten ship or we smack you", I suspect they will comply.

I suspect behavior like this is getting noticed by the FTC and giving us a bad name, making it harder for me to make a dollar...and I dont want to contrubute to the problem

That is correct, we have no idea what might happen.. So all those that put down spinners and say how evil they are, I wish you all luck when your articles start being deleted...

@achivement84 - Read the thread before posting....

James

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

That is correct, we have no idea what might happen.. So all those that put down spinners and say how evil they are, I wish you all luck when your articles start being deleted...

@achivement84 - Read the thread before posting....

James

I have been one of the biggest opponents on here pertaining to spinners .

From past experience everything I put in them , for lack of a better word , sucked .

Some of this was admittedly my lack of knowledge in formatting them. Still most of the ones I had tried just couldn't produce desired results with any amount of formatting .

I tried the spinner you recommend . It is a new tool I would not want to do without .

Guess what.... you have to put a little work in it . It amazes me that that work thing keeps coinciding with me making money online .

With the right spinner to aid in article marketing , things can go a lot easier and your quality stays in tune with the original article .

As far as the site versus EZA first . For my business model the site always comes first . EZA is a nice back link but then so are a lot of other sites .

I see so many that puts their entire business on one platform and never thinks of the future .

Twitter business platforms ... EZA only traffic ... Google is king .

Twitter could easily decide tomorrow that no links whatsoever are allowed in tweets .

EZA could have a totally different TOS in the next 24 hours .

Google could decide that affiliate marketing is bad for their end user experience .

My crystal ball is fuzzy today but anything is possible . If your business model is fully dependent on any of the above sites and all of a sudden they decide they no longer want your type of business.... where does your business stand ?

Kind of helps the argument of investing in your own online real estate a little more valid , doesn't it

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

I have been one of the biggest opponents on here pertaining to spinners .

From past experience everything I put in them , for lack of a better word , sucked .

Some of this was admittedly my lack of knowledge in formatting them. Still most of the ones I had tried just couldn't produce desired results with any amount of formatting .

I tried the spinner you recommend . It is a new tool I would not want to do without .

Guess what.... you have to put a little work in it . It amazes me that that work thing keeps coinciding with me making money online .

With the right spinner to aid in article marketing , things can go a lot easier and your quality stays in tune with the original article .

As far as the site versus EZA first . For my business model the site always comes first . EZA is a nice back link but then so are a lot of other sites .

I see so many that puts their entire business on one platform and never thinks of the future .

Twitter business platforms ... EZA only traffic ... Google is king .

Twitter could easily decide tomorrow that no links whatsoever are allowed in tweets .

EZA could have a totally different TOS in the next 24 hours .

Google could decide that affiliate marketing is bad for their end user experience .

My crystal ball is fuzzy today but anything is possible . If your business model is fully dependent on any of the above sites and all of a sudden they decide they no longer want your type of business.... where does your business stand ?

Kind of helps the argument of investing in your own online real estate a little more valid , doesn't it

Thanks Troy, glad you enjoy the spinner.. One more converted :p

This is why so many of try to tell people to put in some effort into their own website and stop building up others. Sure those sites can help you but that is exactly what they should be looked at "a site to help mine"... These sites should not be used for the sole purpose of running a business.

What makes an authority site ? Anyone know the answer to this one ? Let me give you a little hint, it has nothing to do with content or quality.
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Hmm ok, well it is very simple.... The main reason why a site is "considered" an authority is because many people mention the site over and over and refer people there. Take EZA for instance, we all know they have plr junk articles in their directory and some articles that just do not make any sense at all. Yet people will say EZA is king, you need EZA, You must submit to EZA, and etc ...

This is what creates a site to be "considered" an authority site. EZA's own traffic is built mostly of nothing but marketers and competition and not consumers but yet people still say "use EZA".

Just think if many of you would put that much work into your own site ....

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cryptone24

15 years ago

I went up and down this thread and cant find the spinner that James is recommending. If its PAR, then i'm alright!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cryptone24

I went up and down this thread and cant find the spinner that James is recommending. If its PAR, then i'm alright!

No way would I recommend such software .... I use my own system on my own Article Tools website.

James

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Jag82

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Originally Posted by cryptone24

I went up and down this thread and cant find the spinner that James is recommending. If its PAR, then i'm alright!

No way would I recommend such software .... I use my own system on my own Article Tools website.

James

Just curious, James.

How different is your spinning tool from other spinners like Power Article Re-writer or ContentBoss?

Care to share more?

Jag

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jag82

Just curious, James.

How different is your spinning tool from other spinners like Power Article Re-writer or ContentBoss?

Care to share more?

Jag

Jag,
I can not do that as it would be self promotion.. I will say I do have members that have left contentboss and come to my site due to the fact the spinner is human controlled and my site offers a great deal more. This is their words and not mine..

Feel free to lookup one of these forum members - Troy Phillips, Cypherslock, James Pruitt, DogScout, MissTerraK and many others..

James
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Cristian Lungu

15 years ago

Post to your site FIRST. Wait 2-3 days until Googles indexes your new content and then submit it to EZA and other A.D.s with an backlink to the same content on your site.
You want to build authority for your site. This is the reason you're submiting to EZA in the first place, right? It's common sense to publish content on your site in the first place. Why credit EZA or other AD with a new piece of content?

Still, I have an unclear issue with modifying your original article before submitting it to A.D.s. Don't see the point in making adjustments. Others argue that posting the same article on different places seems like spamming.

I say that using synonyms and modifying the original article is disguised spamming...

Is there a technical benefit that I'm missing out with tweaking the original piece of content?

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Cristian Lungu

Is there a technical benefit that I'm missing out with tweaking the original piece of content?

Tweaking - Is bad advice, you should be changing it but as I have always said this is your choice to do so. Test for yourself...

The reason why some of us that work smart and spin our articles is because it is very effective marketing. I have already listed the many uses for spun articles (read post above).

But there is more to it then just this.

Let's say you write your article and post it on your site and then take that same exact article and post it on 10 article directories. There is nothing at all wrong with this and no it will not hurt your rankings and no duplicate content penalty does not exist.

But you may very well be missing out on great opportunities to generate additional opt-in's, customers, or followers.

Now let's say you properly spin your article (not tweak it, but spin it to 70%+ uniqueness) and you post the original on your site and post 10 spun articles on 10 article directories.

This is what you are going to get for working smart and taking the time to "properly" spin your article.

1. You can use this spun content to repurpose into other formats as explained in the above post.

2. Almost all article directories have author rss feeds, if you submit those feeds then all you are doing is putting out 10 rss feeds that have the same exact content. Who wants to subscribe to 10 exact same rss feeds ? If you spin the articles and each directory gets a different spun article then your author rss feeds are now 70%+ unique and thus will get more subscribers.

3. If at such time the article directories or search engines do start kicking out articles that are posted on other sites then you entire business is screwed. If you spun them though, you have nothing to worry about because you worked smart and took care of the problem before a real problem existed.

4. By properly spinning your articles you have the ability to target other keywords with the spun versions, everybody knows targeting just 1 keyword is not going to brng the bacon home. You must target several different keywords.

There are other reasons but this could turn into an entire ebook if I was to explain it all...

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Cristian Lungu

15 years ago

to TheRichJerksNet: And which are the tools you use to spin your articles? A-Z, please. :-)

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Originally Posted by Cristian Lungu

to TheRichJerksNet: And which are the tools you use to spin your articles? A-Z, please. :-)

I use my own website ... Due to self promotion rules I can not post that in this post ...

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izzymay

15 years ago

Thank you everyone.

This thread has been tremendous.

So to be clear Duplicate Content is a Myth - right?!

And we should post to our sites before EZA!

Once again thank you

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Redagents

15 years ago

Sorry warriors but what is EZA

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Havenhood 15 years ago

Don't be sorry. eZine Articles.
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Originally Posted by Redagents

Sorry warriors but what is EZA

Here's a link (with an annoyingly long description)

EzineArticles Submission - Submit Your Best Quality Original Articles For Massive Exposure, Ezine Publishers Get 25 Free Article Reprints

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scarter11

15 years ago

Quick newbie question. I have 5 new articles and am going to create a new niche blog. Should I add them all to the new blog first, start promoting, or add the first, bookmark, submit to directories, then repeat for the other 4?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by scarter11

Quick newbie question. I have 5 new articles and am going to create a new niche blog. Should I add them all to the new blog first, start promoting, or add the first, bookmark, submit to directories, then repeat for the other 4?

Thanks in advance.

Add them all to your own blog first.....

James

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15 years ago

Yea - in fact, don't add them to your blog first...just add them to your blog.

As you create more content over the coming weeks and months, decide which to use for your own site and which to use for your marketing purposes, i.e. syndication through other websites.

Allen

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ikelove 15 years ago

Wow, great thread! I had to split reading this over a few nights but I'm finally done with all 456! First of all, much props to James, Keith, Jay, Allen, Peter for the amount of value you guys provided here. I'm waiting to the last day of the month to sign up with HostGator and put up my blog (I decided to wait to the end of the month so as to have a consistent time scale of when my bills are due, instead of having it all haphazard on different times of the month). As a newbie, you guys helped fill in a lot of gaps of understanding I had.

The first lesson I learned in Marketing 101 from this thread is that the reason why people make money hand over fist selling informational products that give info that could be found for free is that MANY PEOPLE DON'T APPRECIATE FREE INFORMATION. I saw how people stubbornly argued with EXPERIENCED marketers how they were right and also saw how people were too lazy through this thread to find out the info for themselves. This makes me feel less guilty about selling information products in the future because, truthfully, people are more likely to listen when they actually are paying for something (although this isn't always guaranteed either).....great lesson!

This leads to my question about keywords which can be considered a sub-topic of this thread. I understand that keywords are what people enter into search engines to search for a particular area of interest, I understand how you research a keyword to find out how many hits it gets per month, but I'm a bit confused about how a marketer particularly uses a keyword for a site.

1) This may sound like a foolish question, but is there a specific tag used in HTML for keywords so that search engines can pick up on them??

2) Also, I've read how people write articles/blogs with keywords in them...what do you mean by that? E.g. if someone had a keyword "dog training", do they then write a blog with the words, "dog training" in them that will also subsequently be in the articles they duplicate and add to the different directories?

3) Now, because they'd be using these keywords as their "niche" so to speak, do they have to subsequently insert these keywords in EVERY blog they put up on their site? Won't that make the blog a bit stale if you're writing blogs for the purpose of inserting your chosen keyword?

4) What if 5/6 or whatever months down the line you decide these keywords aren't really searched too much or are too competitive, are you then screwed because all the other blogs that you have written have had these keywords and you can't go back and change them?

5) Can a site subsequently have more than one keyword?

6) What is it EXACTLY that guarantees your site getting listed high in the search engines with your chosen keywords? Is it the blog that you've written that contains the keywords that's posted on your site and on directories and social bookmarking sites as articles? Or is it that the backlinks that you're using to link back to your site actually have your keyword as the hyperlink back to your site. For example, if "dog training" is your keyword, you turn it into a hyperlink that links back to your site.

7) I heard it loud and clear that you can insert duplicate copies of your blog to EZA, Articlesbase, and other directories without any problem just as long as you are the author. How do you guys deal with squidoo, hubpages, etc. Do you also post duplicates on these sites as well or do you prefer to abridge what you've written. (Hey, if my question about squidoo, hubpages, etc. was already answered, forgive me, this was a LONG post. )

Sorry if my questions seems confusing, that is because I'm confused...
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adamsad

15 years ago

what a thread...i spent more than 6 hours to read the whole thread...a lot of information. Now I have a clear view of how to use article that dubbed as duplicate content by some people. I think jonathan leger also mention that duplicate content is a myth

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rabbithunter666 15 years ago

I think article on site first is better. Then, you can add EZA to work as back link for your site.
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troy23

15 years ago

I put it onto a hub page and then onto EzineArticles. Unfortunately Ezine asked me to prove it was mine because they had found the exact same article elsewhere. So don't post the same article to the web site that you post to EzineArticles.

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JayXtreme

15 years ago

Wow....

I am in shock that the beast of a thread is still goin strong.. makes me wish I placed some subliminal ads in here

lolzzz....

Great to have it stickin' around for folks to learn from.

Peace

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Wow....

I am in shock that the best of a thread is still goin strong.. makes me wish I placed some subliminal ads in here

lolzzz....

Great to have it stickin' around for folks to learn from.

Peace

Jay

Jay you're funny ....lol How you been dude, have not seen you in a good long time...

James

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dmderoeck

15 years ago

You definitely want to use EZA to get your site/blog established via high PR link and for the traffic element, you can't beat it for young sites or, for a keyword you cannot rank for.

However, once you have your site has a foothold, I wean myself from EZA and instead post only on my site because in most cases you can outrank EZA. I instead opt for other forms of back links especially through more of a syndication process with "like" sites.

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TheWinner

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dmderoeck

You definitely want to use EZA to get your site/blog established via high PR link and for the traffic element, you can't beat it for young sites or, for a keyword you cannot rank for.

However, once you have your site has a foothold, I wean myself from EZA and instead post only on my site because in most cases you can outrank EZA. I instead opt for other forms of back links especially through more of a syndication process with "like" sites.

Hi dmderoeck,

You can get a brand new blog established right from the beginning. If anything, you are starting on the back foot if you post to EZA first because they take ages to approve your articles.

I post all my articles to my wordpress niche blog first, then EZA. By the time you have pinged your articles, bookmarked your articles, etc... Your article is indexed and around that time, your EZA will get approved. So you got the best of both World's.

I remember reading this thread back in August I think it was, thats when I applied the instructions that James, Jay, keith, Allen and other's I may have missed gave... and it work's wonder's

. So my thanks goes to all these guys

As mentioned before, why throw money down the toilet by paying a landlord, when you can be using that money towards your own Real Estate.

Best way to build an online business.

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JayXtreme

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Jay you're funny ....lol How you been dude, have not seen you in a good long time...

James

Busy...

It's the best time of year (for us), some of the summer build sites really start to pay big with the seasonal lists

Always good to see you around, dude.

Peace

Jay

p.s. Your constant effort to inform people and quash rumour/myths is above and beyond James, Kudos to you!.

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JayXtreme

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It is.

Actually you both do a great job of that.

Forum readers/members who take the trouble to "read around carefully" and decide intelligently/perceptively for themselves who's worth paying attention to and who's not, rather than being undiscriminating about it, have many reasons to be very grateful to each of you.

(And the rest can take their chances however they want!

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Too much love is never enough... thankyou!

Have a great evening/weekend, Alexa.

Peace

Jay

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It is.

Actually you both do a great job of that.

Forum readers/members who take the trouble to "read around carefully" and decide intelligently/perceptively for themselves who's worth paying attention to and who's not, rather than being undiscriminating about it, have many reasons to be very grateful to each of you.

(And the rest can take their chances however they want!

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Thanks Alexa and thanks for some of the referrals also, I have had some PM me saying you sent them, so thanks pretty lady

I agree with Jay much love... Makes you feel wanted

p.s. Your constant effort to inform people and quash rumour/myths is above and beyond James, Kudos to you!.

Appreciate it Jay...

As far as an ebook, I am sure there are several created from this very thread by people that never posted in it...

James

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genei 15 years ago

All I can say is THANKS!!! This thread has saved me a ton of work. Like many others here I was under the impression that I was going to rewrite all the articles I am going to publish in my blog. This clears up a misconception I ahve had for years.

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Christian Fox

15 years ago

One hell of a thread, someone could turn this into an E-book and sell it....

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Originally Posted by Christian Fox

One hell of a thread, someone could turn this into an E-book and sell it....

Many people already have

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

You can get a brand new blog established right from the beginning.

Exactly .. Many "think" you can't but the fact is you can get a brand new site/blog indexed before eza can approve an article. Build upon your own business first and foremost and not someone elses.

After you establish yours, then syndicate your content out to other places.

James

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tomswiftjr

15 years ago

I have a question about the "duplicate content" issue. I read through the first half of this thread and people seem pretty frustrated on both sides, but I haven't heard any of the alleged evidence to support either position other than "I'm a senior internet marketer...take my word for it!" Can someone point me to some actual evidence that duplicate content is not a factor to Google? Specifically, I want to know why it's not a factor even though they specifically state that it is here:

Duplicate content - Webmasters/Site owners Help

However, in some cases, content is deliberately duplicated across domains in an attempt to manipulate search engine rankings or win more traffic. Deceptive practices like this can result in a poor user experience, when a visitor sees substantially the same content repeated within a set of search results.

Google tries hard to index and show pages with distinct information. This filtering means, for instance, that if your site has a "regular" and "printer" version of each article, and neither of these is blocked with a noindex meta tag, we'll choose one of them to list. In the rare cases in which Google perceives that duplicate content may be shown with intent to manipulate our rankings and deceive our users, we'll also make appropriate adjustments in the indexing and ranking of the sites involved. As a result, the ranking of the site may suffer, or the site might be removed entirely from the Google index, in which case it will no longer appear in search results.

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Oliver Hart

15 years ago

Hi.

I have evidence for that it is not a factor for Google.

I have a website (blog) where you will not find much original material.

The site has now a page rank of 1, and Google has Indexed 308 pages.

- Oddvar

Originally Posted by tomswiftjr

I have a question about the "duplicate content" issue. I read through the first half of this thread and people seem pretty frustrated on both sides, but I haven't heard any of the alleged evidence to support either position other than "I'm a senior internet marketer...take my word for it!" Can someone point me to some actual evidence that duplicate content is not a factor to Google? Specifically, I want to know why it's not a factor even though they specifically state that it is here:

Duplicate content - Webmasters/Site owners Help

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Hi Tom,
Well let's clear this up real quick... This myth about duplicate content penalty is so hyped up that it is sick. Some self proclaimed experts use this myth to sell you their junk products such as spinners, submit software, online tools and etc. These wannabe marketers should be ashamed but they are not because it is all about you giving them your money.

Duplicate content penalty in any form on your site or on other sites is nothing but a myth. This has been proven and a simple search in google will show anyone that. Most people that say it is a myth does not post links because they do not want people to know what rankings they have. Can't blame them either, why would you want your competition to know where and how you are listed ..

With that said though - here you go I dominate most of the front page with the same exact article and notice EZA is #2

Effective Social Media Bookmarking Techniques - Google Search

Now I could also post a link showing duplicate articles on the same exact site but I am not going to post those links. Probably since I posted the above the rankings will change..

With that said and proven .. Let me tell you what google does not want and I will spell it out in english since many misunderstand googles webmaster site.

Google does not want:

* Creating multiple page that are exactly the same for the purpose to game the system. This is known as creating doorway pages which many used to do years ago to gain top listings.

* Site that use self replicating webpages such as MLM companies do. These self replicating webpages are normally seen as dulicate and although google will NOT give you any penalty for them, they will not index the pages over and over.

Google has even released a video that there is no penalty and I am sure someone can post that here but it is posted on this forum several times.

James

Originally Posted by tomswiftjr

I have a question about the "duplicate content" issue. I read through the first half of this thread and people seem pretty frustrated on both sides, but I haven't heard any of the alleged evidence to support either position other than "I'm a senior internet marketer...take my word for it!" Can someone point me to some actual evidence that duplicate content is not a factor to Google? Specifically, I want to know why it's not a factor even though they specifically state that it is here:

Duplicate content - Webmasters/Site owners Help

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johnben1444

15 years ago

Using you article on your site first can make EZA not to accept your article because it will be considered somebody's article and EZA only accept original content.

In my opinion it is best you use the article on EZA first before proceeding to use it on your site.

In other way, you can create a link for the article on your site.

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Oliver Hart

15 years ago

Hi.

The reason for this misunderstanding, I think, lies in these lines from EZA Editorial Guidelines:

MUST NOT be a submission of the exact same article as one that you already submitted. Some authors have submitted the same article multiple times with only a few words changed in the body -- we reject these and ban authors who engage in this practice.

You also know that when a lie has gone around for a while, it becomes the true (myth).

The same as with duplicated content and with some methods for keyword research.

- Oddvar.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Intriguing.

Clearly you posted without reading the thread at all, but still fascinating: what makes you think that EZA accepts only "original content"?

It's actually never been true, since EZA started, and it's certainly not true now, as you can see from all the experience article marketers here so patiently and repeatedly explaining why all their articles go first on their own sites and then to EZA; but what really interests me, in a macabre kind of way, is why so many people apparently still believe something that's never been true at all (not to mention why they want to "spread the word" about it)?!

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Sometimes I get to the point of this mind frame .

Post where ever you feel is best . Believe the dupe thing . For God's sake .. do not get over 10 links to your site a day .

Then continue posting to my own site first, home directory second, link juice directories third .

Reformat content as many ways possible and submit it to.

But be warned ... that site you just can't seem to knock off with your required original article .... well it belongs to me . Yes the traffic is a lot better from up here .

Yes you are right . I did bore those that were not going to buy anyway with my 700 plus words of content . The ones that finished the article clicked buy now . The process was established from the first word to weed out those that were not going to be happy with my product so I get to keep the money they send me .

Hope you enjoyed your one day traffic spike with 200 click through. How many did you sell ?

Can you produce the same results every day .

But then I see someone like Alexa being sweet and reserved for the umpteenth time and realize that my approach is not the right one .

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Intriguing.

Clearly you posted without reading the thread at all, but still fascinating: what makes you think that EZA accepts only "original content"?

It's actually never been true, since EZA started, and it's certainly not true now, as you can see from all the experience article marketers here so patiently and repeatedly explaining why all their articles go first on their own sites and then to EZA; but what really interests me, in a macabre kind of way, is why so many people apparently still believe something that's never been true at all (not to mention why they want to "spread the word" about it)?!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Intriguing.

Clearly you posted without reading the thread at all, but still fascinating: what makes you think that EZA accepts only "original content"?

It's actually never been true, since EZA started, and it's certainly not true now, as you can see from all the experience article marketers here so patiently and repeatedly explaining why all their articles go first on their own sites and then to EZA; but what really interests me, in a macabre kind of way, is why so many people apparently still believe something that's never been true at all (not to mention why they want to "spread the word" about it)?!

Maybe they should actually read this thread then they would have never posted what they did post ...

James

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TheWinner

15 years ago

I can't believe the duplicate content issue is still being mentioned in this post.

James explained it all perfectly again. If people actually read the thread and take action, you will have a hugely successful internet marketing career.

But anyhow, if anyone wants another example...Let me Google this legendary GnR song - Let me google that for you

Now, this is some genius original GnR content :p. Surely all these sites listing it's lyrics should be taken down and penalized for duplicate content? lol.

Sorry, I have to make a laugh out of this now :p

Morale of the story as mentioned a few thousand times now... Dup content is a myth.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Wish I had 10 cents every time I have said and/or proven dup content penalty was a myth ...

I could actually help 100 newbies get a good and profitable business going online with the money just from that ...

James

Originally Posted by TheWinner

I can't believe the duplicate content issue is still being mentioned in this post.

James explained it all perfectly again. If people actually read the thread and take action, you will have a hugely successful internet marketing career.

But anyhow, if anyone wants another example...Let me Google this legendary GnR song - Let me google that for you

Now, this is some genius original GnR content :p. Surely all these sites listing it's lyrics should be taken down and penalized for duplicate content? lol.

Sorry, I have to make a laugh out of this now :p

Morale of the story as mentioned a few thousand times now... Dup content is a myth.

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Jag82

15 years ago

Originally Posted by johnben1444

Using you article on your site first can make EZA not to accept your article because it will be considered somebody's article and EZA only accept original content.

Definitely not true. I submitted quite a few articles from my blog to EZA with no problem at all.

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15 years ago

I am in shock that the best of a thread is still goin strong.. makes me wish I placed some subliminal ads in here

lolzzz....

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J Bold

15 years ago

Wow, this thread has been revived again?

Well, let me say I think it's best to worry about promoting your site first, and it can be done.

However, I think there are also times where you just may want some quick sales and so you post an article on ezine or wherever and just do your linking strategies back to the article and do a redirect to your affiliate link, without having to worry about setting up a website and all that. I know believe both strategies should be used.

As for duplicate content, yes, it's pretty much a myth! What's the whole point of article directories wanting people to republish their articles? There's duplicate content all over, for example CNN is a highly ranked website of course and yet sometimes their stories are from the AP and can be found almost word for work all over the internet.

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net-biz

15 years ago

It depends, if the article was posted to a new site or an old-already-indexed site. If it were a new site I'd post to EZA first... mainly because of their PR, traffic, and readers. But, after getting the new site indexed and some sort of readership/visitors, I'd start posting to the new site.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by net-biz

It depends, if the article was posted to a new site or an old-already-indexed site. If it were a new site I'd post to EZA first... mainly because of their PR, traffic, and readers. But, after getting the new site indexed and some sort of readership/visitors, I'd start posting to the new site.

Just my 2 cents...

Hi mate,

Believe me, you can index a brand spanking new site quick.

Why not post your article to your own site, ping it, bookmark the post etc...once that is done, submit the article to EZA. Once EZA have taken a week or so to approve your article, or if there's any problems, add another week... your own site will be ranking for your keyword because you have built some backlinks in that time. You'll be getting the best of both Worlds that way.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by net-biz

It depends, if the article was posted to a new site or an old-already-indexed site. If it were a new site I'd post to EZA first... mainly because of their PR, traffic, and readers. But, after getting the new site indexed and some sort of readership/visitors, I'd start posting to the new site.

Just my 2 cents...

Well, as you can have a site indexed in about a day, probably not a big deal. The only problem is if your site gets sandboxed, but there are ways around that and to repair that, as well.

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JayXtreme

15 years ago

In light of the recent evidence shown in this thread...

I think it is time for me to change my opinion.

The duplicate content penalty is NOT a myth... despite evidence to prove otherwise

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

In light of the recent evidence shown in this thread...

I think it is time for me to change my opinion.

The duplicate content penalty is NOT a myth... despite evidence to prove otherwise

Peace

Jay

LOL ... How you doing Jay ... long time no see ...

It amazes me how many times you must prove something before it gets through to someone.

I would like to point out that I am no expert, no guru, or any other label you want to use. I am someone that has taken action and tested and tested massively...

A great and simple rule to follow:

Question everything and Test everything

By testing for yourself you will know the answers without 2nd guessing..

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Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

LOL ... How you doing Jay ... long time no see ...

I'm good, man.... nice to see you.

It amazes me how many times you must prove something before it gets through to someone.

Yup... that'll never change, we can only hope that the message gets through to some people through sheer force of our trying.

A great and simple rule to follow:

Question everything and Test everything

By testing for yourself you will know the answers without 2nd guessing..

James

^ ^ The only business rule that anyone should live by!

Peace to ya, James

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jamawebinc

15 years ago

Always remember that writing an article should have a goal in mind. Usually this is for traffic bait or to show you know your subject matter.

Why does it have to be on ezine articles or your own website.

Why can't it be both with the article changed for the audience it is intended?

Also, why not have a full article on your website, with a shortened version on ezine articles to get people to click through to your website to read the full article.

Which also brings up another purpose for articles, to get people to click through them to get to another URL about you, whether this be your own domain or something like a squidoo page.

Always have the end goal in mind. Give great information, sure, but just posting a bunch of articles to ezine articles without leading people to click your resource box is pointless.

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minted1

15 years ago

i have done it both ways but found that i sometimes had a quicker response by submitting to ezine first simply because they are getting visited more regularly by the major search engines.. hope this helps

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by minted1

i have done it both ways but found that i sometimes had a quicker response by submitting to ezine first simply because they are getting visited more regularly by the major search engines.. hope this helps

Wrong ... They do not get visited by the search engines no more than any other site. They may have more pages but they are not visited more. Truth be told EZA really does not have that many top listings and you must build backlinks to those articles also to get those top listings.

Unless you are doing the "Bum Marketing" method... Understand that there is a world of difference between True Article Marketing and Bum Marketing. Oh Yeah!! I said it, there is a world of difference. Many choose the Bum method and this is where many also misunderstand things and start slapping a bunch of useless PLR junk around. All they want are backlinks but have no idea how True Article Marketing works.

Unlike what many proclaim EZA is not a must to submit to at all.. They are a adsense farm and nothing more. Big deal and so what they are "popular" but you know what ?? That is only because people like you spread bad advice about "you must submit to eza first" when infact you really have not tested but you follow the crowd.

If you did test then you would realize the power of building up your own sites before you build up other sites.

You and justme did not even bother to read this thread, I know that by your response. Before responding to a thread at least take the time to read it.

I welcome you and justme to the forums and hope you read other threads before responding. Take in what you read and learn and grow...

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Wrong ... They do not get visited by the search engines no more than any other site. They may have more pages but they are not visited more. Truth be told EZA really does not have that many top listings and you must build backlinks to those articles also to get those top listings.

James, you have given some really good information in this thread - But, the above is simply not true.

My articles usually get spidered within minutes of being on the front page of EZA.

Also, I understand your point about putting content on your site first - Fair enough and good information. You really can't go wrong by doing that.

BUT

You downplay the effectiveness of EZA WAYYYY too much. They do rank very well in more than a few niches, they do get tons of traffic from organic rankings consistently.

I think sometimes your dislike of EZA clouds your better Judgment

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cypherslock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

James, you have given some really good information in this thread - But, the above is simply not true.

My articles usually get spidered within minutes of being on the front page of EZA.

Also, I understand your point about putting content on your site first - Fair enough and good information. You really can't go wrong by doing that.

BUT

You downplay the effectiveness of EZA WAYYYY too much. They do rank very well in more than a few niches, they do get tons of traffic from organic rankings consistently.

I think sometimes your dislike of EZA clouds your better Judgment

True EZA can be good. BUT they are not a marketing panacea. Not by a long shot. I use them when I feel like doing so or for clients, but they are in no way the only directory out there and as some do, to make them your only source of traffic is insane.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

True EZA can be good. BUT they are not a marketing panacea. Not by a long shot. I use them when I feel like doing so or for clients, but they are in no way the only directory out there and as some do, to make them your only source of traffic is insane.

Noone said that they should be your only source of traffic, but somehow dismissing them is a bit "goofy" to put it mildly.

As a matter of fact, I'd venture to say that if you put the same article up on EZA everyday that you would get MORE traffic in a 30 day time frame than you would just putting it on your own blog.

UNLESS

Your blog is very well established and already ranks well...If that's the case, you don't really have a need to submit to directories anyway though, right?

Is it smarter to put content on your own site? Yes

Is it smarter to put it on your own site first? From the theory in this thread...what difference does it make?

The question for new people is...Can you make a sale TODAY by using a directory like EZA? Chances are good

Can you make a sale TODAY by putting the article on your site that nobody knows exist? PROBABLY NOT

That's why in my opinion anyway, It's important to have a plan that contains both strategies.

If they are not the cream of the crop....

Why is it that article writers always show their CTR and Views From EZA?

Survey says: Because showing the 5 views that they got at article base, goarticles, or their unestablished site probably wouldn't be very convincing.

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Jeremy Kelsall 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo

Could you please tell me what you meant by the above comment?

Well, the overall tone is there is no duplicate content...

The same article can be on page 1 regarding of how many occurances...

So, what difference does it make where you put it first?
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  I still would like an answer to this question. You must have an opinion on this. Would you mind?
  
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  I can get traffic from directories for keywords like "lose weight" or "make money online" that I can't get the same quanity of from my own site...So, you better believe I milk every last bit of that traffic that I can.
  
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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

James, you have given some really good information in this thread - But, the above is simply not true.

My articles usually get spidered within minutes of being on the front page of EZA.

Also, I understand your point about putting content on your site first - Fair enough and good information. You really can't go wrong by doing that.

BUT

You downplay the effectiveness of EZA WAYYYY too much. They do rank very well in more than a few niches, they do get tons of traffic from organic rankings consistently.

I think sometimes your dislike of EZA clouds your better Judgment

As do my articles that are not on EZA .. but that is my point they get spidered no more than any other site, yes they have more pages...

It is not I dislike EZA - I dislike how their forum admin was misleading people and the bad business practices. Just like I do not dislike google but I do not agree with the way they do things (sidewiki for one) and as such I excercise my right not to use their tools.

If others wish to use EZA or Google and their tools then that is perfectly fine but just slapping misinformation on a forum, such as google shows love to eza, you must submit to eza, eza if the only place you need and etc is wrong...

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

As do my articles that are not on EZA .. but that is my point they get spidered no more than any other site, yes they have more pages...

It is not I dislike EZA - I dislike how their forum admin was misleading people and the bad business practices. Just like I do not dislike google but I do not agree with the way they do things (sidewiki for one) and as such I excercise my right not to use their tools.

If others wish to use EZA or Google and their tools then that is perfectly fine but just slapping misinformation on a forum, such as google shows love to eza, you must submit to eza, eza if the only place you need and etc is wrong...

James

James, maybe on your own directory they get spidered that often...

But, on Joe Schmos wordpress site that has been around for 6 months...Not so much.

You don't use their tools? You have an article directory for gods sake...How do you expect the people that submit content to your site to get visitors?...Yahoo? Bing??

You do use their tools....

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

James, maybe on your own directory they get spidered that often...

But, on Joe Schmos wordpress site that has been around for 6 months...Not so much.

You don't use their tools? You have an article directory for gods sake...How do you expect the people that submit content to your site to get visitors?...Yahoo? Bing??

You do use their tools....

They spider and index my site yes, I do not however use their tools ...

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

They spider and index my site yes, I do ot however use their tools ...

James

You could easily stop them from doing so...

You do use their tools - and you do benefit from them. Trying to say you DON'T is....ehhhh...you know.

You use them the same way everyone else does....

To get traffic.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

You could easily stop them from doing so...

You do use their tools - and you do benefit from them. Trying to say you DON'T is....ehhhh...you know.

You use them the same way everyone else does....

To get traffic.

You misunderstand .. I do not use their adwords, adsense, keyword tool, sidewiki, short url crap, browser, webmaster tools, stats program, or their other tools.

James

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Lets keep it really REAL for a minute...can we?

EZA or your own site first? Who cares?

The answer is going to be different for different people.

If you are just getting into Internet Marketing or havn't made a whole lot of money yet, the one thing you need more than anything is CONFIDENCE.

How do you get that confidence?

Simple, you either get traffic or better yet, you make money.

If you are just throwing up a site because you're new, unless you are extremely lucky, you are not going to immediately start to get traffic or sales by putting your content exclusively on your site. Eventually, the people will come...but, not usually before....

You get irritated, frustrated, and pissed off that you are putting article after article up on your site that nobody knows about including any of the search engines.

So, what happens?

You throw your hands up in the air and make another site - only to repeat the process over and over again until you are here in a forum like this wondering what the hell you are doing wrong.

On the other hand - Constantly submitting content to a directory - ANY DIRECTORY that is known to attract alot of attention from the search engines - ANY OF THEM will more than likely get you some traffic and a sale or two

What does that accomplish?

Well, it makes you do that happy dance in front of your computer because you finally made some damn money. More importantly, it lets you know that this "stuff" works.

That in turn should give you the resolve and determination to get your own site established with as much good content as you can.

However, you would still be kind of goofy to dismiss or avoid a healthy source of traffic such as EZA or any other directory that will give you consistent visitors to your site.

Unfortunately, YOUR OWN SITE isn't going to give you consistent visitors when you get it up and running - Hell, for some people their OWN SITE doesn't give them enough traffic to bank of for 6 months, a year, or even longer.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

However, you would still be kind of goofy to dismiss or avoid a healthy source of traffic such as EZA or any other directory that will give you consistent visitors to your site.

Then I must be goofy then because I have taken brand new sites and made money from them within a week without submitting to any article directory including my own. And yes I also had top listings..

Oh My What Did We Ever Do Before EZA Came Along ....:rolleyes:

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Then I must be goofy then because I have taken brand new sites and made money from them within a week without submitting to any article directory including my own. And yes I also had top listings..

Oh My What Did We Ever Do Before EZA Came Along ....:rolleyes:

James

PROVE IT

or you don't even have to do that, but admit the following to put things into perspective...

You have been building sites for what....20 years?

You work 18 hours a day

The first 10 sites you put up didn't have the results you are talking about

Most people are not as proficient as you are in creating a website.

Most people don't have 18 hours a day to add content to their site

Most people havn't been doing this since computers were powered by hampsters running in a wheel.

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Jeremy Kelsall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo

Very nice!

That was kind of brutal. But BigJerks is a big boy. He'll bounce back!

I wasn't trying to be brutal...

I'm just trying to get the point across that you can't expect the rest of the world to have your results if they don't have your experience.

It's like saying, don't buy software, code your own.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo

You're preaching to the choir.

This thread about made me want to puke at times. I'm glad you jumped in to balance things out. I think RichJerks has some good points, but he goes over the edge.

He's also been pretty harsh with quite a few people on this thread that have disagreed with what he would like to think is now Gospel on this forum - the good news delivered from God's lips to certain contributors in this thread... who also spend quite a bit of time slapping each other on the back, doing victory laps, deriding dissenters, and other fun stuff like that.

LOL .. You're funny... Not harsh with anyone but if they do not bother to read the thread then do not post on it...

With that said .. I am out because as I see now you are posting and trying to make a good thread useless with useless post that have nothing to do with the thread.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo

That was very kind of you to say.

But what about this question that Jeremy Kelsall posed:

"Well, the overall tone is there is no duplicate content...The same article can be on page 1 regarding of how many occurances...So, what difference does it make where you put it first?"

If I can get an article ranked on page 1 of Google with "Acme Article Directory" and also get the same exact article ranked on page 1 of Google that I place on my website, what difference does it make where I placed the article first?

If you would read the thread you would know that the answer to that question was answered several times. If memory serves I think Jay actually was the first one to answer that question.

This goes back to my point about not reading a thread... This thread is about way more then where to post your article, duplicate content, and being on page 1 of google. So while you downgrade someone and make useless post just to stir a pot, you do not even take the time to read a thread that you are commenting on...

James

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TheWinner 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo

So, are you going to answer the question?

Hello mate.

Firstly, as James mentioned, you can find that answer in this helpful thread.

Also, Allen's advise is top notch, test everything yourself.

1 test is a whole lot better than 100 opinions.

As mentioned... I put my best articles on my own site first, then syndicate them to the directories etc.

This works for me, maybe it will work for you, if not, then thats cool, stick to what works with you.

If I was you, I'd much rather get to work writing articles now and testing, rather than causing unnecessary arguments in this thread.

That time spent will be a whole lot more productive.

I'm out, back to building my internet empire

Just my 2 cents..

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ebizman87 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo

Very nice!

That was kind of brutal. But BigJerks is a big boy. He'll bounce back!

Excuse me Mr.Phil, are you the REFEREE here who's appointed to manage the "friendly war of words match" between these marketers?

Well why don't you let THEM decide WHO'll be the WINNER instead of you poking your nose hear and there..lol
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peter_act

15 years ago

I was a great EZA fan.
I have just bombarded them with twenty articles in twenty days, and am ranked at number 3 in Google.
I thought that was pretty good till I read this thread - I now know that what I'm doing is wasting my article writing skills by building up EZA's adsense farm.
I joined this forum because it was frequented by people who know what they are talking about.
Therefore, when people like James and Allen air their views, I would be stupid if I did not listen to them.
I'm therefore going to completely change my tactics and follow their advice.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by peter_act

I was a great EZA fan.
I have just bombarded them with twenty articles in twenty days, and am ranked at number 3 in Google.
I thought that was pretty good till I read this thread - I now know that what I'm doing is wasting my article writing skills by building up EZA's adsense farm.
I joined this forum because it was frequented by people who know what they are talking about.
Therefore, when people like James and Allen air their views, I would be stupid if I did not listen to them.
I'm therefore going to completely change my tactics and follow their advice.

Thanks for the kind words Peter. But I just want to clarify something. If I may call your attention to a post I made in this thread on 10/08/09 - #428.

The only difference in that post and how I feel today is an additional two months of research and results to back up the fact.

Fixating on things gets you nowhere in this realm of IM. It changes so fast that it can easily pass right by you, leaving you chasing the crowd instead of leading it.

Most people cannot keep up with the changes because they simply do not have the resources to do so...so they need to follow other people's advice. Just be careful who you choose to follow. I (or anyone else for that matter) may not be the right person to get you where you need to go.

Choose wisely and think hard before making a decision like that! And when/if you DO decide to take another person's advice, you need to follow your results VERY VERY VERY closely to make sure that what they are telling you to do is actually working for YOU.

And that goes for everything you have read in this thread. Just because someone says something does not make it true - and if it is true, doesn't mean it will be working the same way tomorrow.

I wish you the best of luck!

Allen

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peter_act

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Most people cannot keep up with the changes because they simply do not have the resources to do so...so they need to follow other people's advice. Just be careful who you choose to follow. I (or anyone else for that matter) may not be the right person to get you where you need to go.

Choose wisely and think hard before making a decision like that! And when/if you DO decide to take another person's advice, you need to follow your results VERY VERY VERY closely to make sure that what they are telling you to do is actually working for YOU.

Allen

I've done that Allen, I'm not just going to listen to you! (just kidding!)
But when both you and James, who have obviously been around for a long time, judging by the number of posts you have both made, say something, I would be a fool not to follow what you say.
All I know is that for all my efforts, it's my EZA article ranked at number 3, not my site, so what good is that really?
I'll try writing my articles for my own site first, and just give EZA the scraps from now on

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by peter_act

I've done that Allen, I'm not just going to listen to you! (just kidding!)
But when both you and James, who have obviously been around for a long time, judging by the number of posts you have both made, say something, I would be a fool not to follow what you say.
All I know is that for all my efforts, it's my EZA article ranked at number 3, not my site, so what good is that really?
I'll try writing my articles for my own site first, and just give EZA the scraps from now on

Peter,
Just make sure you always test and do what is best for you .. One thing might work for one person and not the other so thus why you not only want to listen but test...

That includes anything I say as I have always said I am no expert and I certainly do not claim the label of a Internet Marketer. I find that labels are beneficial in no way to anyone.

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scarob2 15 years ago

I have a confession. I read page 1 and skipped right to page 12. Did I miss anything important??

This has probably already been said, but who has time to read the whole thread?

Isn't the whole point of creating a site to establish yourself as the authority of a niche? How can you be the authority if the same content that's on your site appears on a hundred other sites, whether it's EZA, Squidoo, Hubpages, or Fred and Ethel's Family blog? (I hope you realize I made that last one up)

The contant on my sites STAY on my sites.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Peter,
Just make sure you always test and do what is best for you. One thing might work for one person and not the other so thus why you not only want to listen but test...
James

I agree James - putting my articles on EZA hasn't worked, so now I'll test putting them on my site first - see if that works.

I'm taking your advice not because you are an internet marketer with some experience but because both Allen's comments and yours made sense, and stood out in the convolutions of this tortuous thread.

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Leotardo

I say good for you. But what makes you think people who are brand new to this business can do that - right away?

All the information on how to do that is right here on this forum .. Read - Learn - Take Action... I do not know about you but I know some newbies from this forum that have done just that.

So that is what makes me think that... I have seen newbies do it. Bottom line it's all about taking action.

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warfore

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Lets keep it really REAL for a minute...can we?

EZA or your own site first? Who cares?

The answer is going to be different for different people.

If you are just getting into Internet Marketing or havn't made a whole lot of money yet, the one thing you need more than anything is CONFIDENCE.

How do you get that confidence?

Simple, you either get traffic or better yet, you make money.

If you are just throwing up a site because you're new, unless you are extremely lucky, you are not going to immediately start to get traffic or sales by putting your content exclusively on your site. Eventually, the people will come...but, not usually before....

You get irritated, frustrated, and pissed off that you are putting article after article up on your site that nobody knows about including any of the search engines.

So, what happens?

You throw your hands up in the air and make another site - only to repeat the process over and over again until you are here in a forum like this wondering what the hell you are doing wrong.

On the other hand - Constantly submitting content to a directory - ANY DIRECTORY that is known to attract alot of attention from the search engines - ANY OF THEM will more than likely get you some traffic and a sale or two

What does that accomplish?

Well, it makes you do that happy dance in front of your computer because you finally made some damn money. More importantly, it lets you know that this "stuff" works.

That in turn should give you the resolve and determination to get your own site established with as much good content as you can.

However, you would still be kind of goofy to dismiss or avoid a healthy source of traffic such as EZA or any other directory that will give you consistent visitors to your site.

Unfortunately, YOUR OWN SITE isn't going to give you consistent visitors when you get it up and running - Hell, for some people their OWN SITE doesn't give them enough traffic to bank of for 6 months, a year, or even longer.

Jeremy, great answer. I think you nailed it (sorry to keep the thread alive)

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15 years ago

Post to EZA first then create link to your website. It will helps you get more traffic to your website.

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cypherslock

15 years ago

Oh good Lord, mejust, you are giving your best content away for free. You can get to the top of google, PROVIDED YOU'VE DONE PROPER RESEARCH. Take a look at the responses from TheRichJerks and others who have put an end to this. Also look at the responses by Steve Wagenheim. These guys know of what they speak. I can't believe this thread won't die....

Look, Ezine articles is NOT the be all end all of article marketing. There are tons of other good directories. But more to the point: increase YOUR property value. Put your best content on YOUR site first, you will be the authority for your niche (isn't that what you want?!?!). Then if you want, spin the article and post to Ezine Articles. But remember: you don't have to. I'd rather spend time building my site up and generating the traffic over pandering to Ezine (or ANY) article directory.

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robvegas626

15 years ago

I always post to my Wordpress blog first, then shorten the article to submit to EZA. You don't want to submit long articles to EZA. They should be short, and end with a "call to action" that will get you click throughs...

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willies

15 years ago

If you post it first on your website, will it be considered original content? Except of course, if the article is approved first before you put it on your website as put by one of the members of this forum.

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Michael Kohler

15 years ago

Write one long article with say 7 points. Then post the last 3 points to your site first. Then, post to EZA an article with the first 4 points to get the link back to your site. Keep the title virtually the same. This makes you the authority and allows you to get the trafffic from EZA and later when it is indexed. That's what I do.

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Kohler

Write one long article with say 7 points. Then post the last 3 points to your site first. Then, post to EZA an article with the first 4 points to get the link back to your site. Keep the title virtually the same. This makes you the authority and allows you to get the trafffic from EZA and later when it is indexed. That's what I do.

That is a feasable idea! You've used that thing in between your ears that most people don't use. LOL And if it works for you, don't let anyone tell you it's "wrong" or "a bad idea."

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

And if it works for you, don't let anyone tell you it's "wrong" or "a bad idea."

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Can we really STOP someone from saying "it's WRONG" or "bad idea"?

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15 years ago

I just do whatever Alexa says to do.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by FriendlyRob

I just do whatever Alexa says to do.

We all do what Alexa says to do ....

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bdawg56kg

15 years ago

When you say that google will see that the article on your website and the article on ezine was written by the same author, that means you need to have author meta tags on all your pages on your website right? Otherwise google will have no way of knowing who the author is. Thanks.

ps. Sorry if this is a stupid question. I'm totally new to this IM thing.

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kumar 15 years ago

In terms of actual content, what is the difference between
writing for your own site promoting affiliate products and for
EZA?

As I understand, when you write for your own site, you probably
give a bit more information to the visitor (than when you write for
EZA etc.) and then coax him into buying the affiliate product you
are promoting (Eg: want to know more about...., click here).

Is my understanding correct?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

When you say that google will see that the article on your website and the article on ezine was written by the same author, that means you need to have author meta tags on all your pages on your website right? Otherwise google will have no way of knowing who the author is. Thanks.

ps. Sorry if this is a stupid question. I'm totally new to this IM thing.

The meta tag for Author is ignored and google or any other search engine does not care who has written what. I think you got confused when it was mentioned that EZA wants to make sure it is the same author.

EZA does not want you stealing someone elses article and submitting it and as such it is important if you are going to submit articles to EZA after you have already submitted them to other places just make sure you use the same author name.

@trafficke - You do not need to do both, it is not required to submit to EZA at all .. This is a choice you can decide to make for what is best for you. You can very well post the articles on your own site and build up your own site. Unlike what many think, you can get your own sites indexed in google with top listings. All you need to do is build backlinks to your own site.

@fayamba - Please take the time to read the thread... Welcome to the forum...

@kumar - This is based on what you feel is best for you ... You can submit the same exact article to EZA that you have posted on your own site. Some choose to split the article up and other choose to write a brand new article for EZA.. Test it out and see what works best for you.

James

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Kohler

Write one long article with say 7 points. Then post the last 3 points to your site first. Then, post to EZA an article with the first 4 points to get the link back to your site. Keep the title virtually the same. This makes you the authority and allows you to get the trafffic from EZA and later when it is indexed. That's what I do.

Yeah it is a great way to repurpose your articles, write an informative articles with tips. Then split the tips up to create other blog post, other articles, pdf/document for upload sites, and etc ..

James

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

It's a good thread - a lot of information has been shared here.

The only problem is that it is becoming very long - too long, in fact.

I wanted to start from the beginning and read the whole thing again, but I don't have an hour to sit here and do it.

I would guess that this is the reason people have missed some of the important points - they don;t have the time (or possibly the inclination) to read the entire thing.

Bummer.

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15 years ago

Reading (hooked on phonics if you really need it!) + comprehension + ACTION = SUCCESS. And guess what? It is all in this thread. If you can't be bothered to take a look and educate yourself on what is REAL, then don't keep asking the same friggin' thing over and over again....Take the time to read the ENTIRE thread.

Use EZA sure, just don't make it the FIRST thing you use. That honor should be reserved for your website...

I'm going to have a beer!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

Reading (hooked on phonics if you really need it!) + comprehension + ACTION = SUCCESS. And guess what? It is all in this thread. If you can't be bothered to take a look and educate yourself on what is REAL, then don't keep asking the same friggin' thing over and over again....Take the time to read the ENTIRE thread.

Use EZA sure, just don't make it the FIRST thing you use. That honor should be reserved for your website...

I'm going to have a beer!

Careful Erik you might be accused of being too harsh on someone ..:rolleyes:

Since I do not drink beer, have another one for me ...

James

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cypherslock 15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Careful Erik you might be accused of being too harsh on someone ..:rolleyes:

Since I do not drink beer, have another one for me ...

James

Oh Hell, I know....I'm shorter of temper as the year comes to a close for some reason. Guess I'm just tired of some not bothering to read when the answer is plainly in front of them. It is one thing if you truly don't know. It is another to come to a thread where the answers are and not bother to look yourself. That is just ignorant and rude to those that give their time and energy for something we're all passionate about.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Careful Erik you might be accused of being too harsh on someone ..:

YES ERIK, accusation will definitely come if you keep on insisting that you're the RIGHT one,not careful with your words and insist others may be WRONG.

But you're NOT wrong here ERIK

Definitely people here have options to either submit to EZA 1st or Own site 1st.Anyhow it'll be still be tracked by the SE and display it in it's page result if you do your homework right (keyword research and backlinks).

Well as for me? I don't care about that. I only submit 2/3 of my complete article at other article directories and the full 1 at my own site.Then I'll build backlinks to both my site and articles so that I can get multiple placing in SE for that keywords.

It's like hitting 2 birds with 1 stone.

Like I said, this is just my opinion and I'm sharing what's working well for me and certainly NOT insisting that I'm the right 1 here. If other people have tested and found out different ways that work well for them, then just go ahead.

My 2c..

PS:I'm out of this.Got my own stuff to do

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by ebizman87

YES ERIK, accusation will definitely come if you keep on insisting that you're the RIGHT one,not careful with your words and insist others may be WRONG.

But you're NOT wrong here ERIK

The thing about it is I'm not saying who's right or wrong. I was just getting nerfed that some weren't reading the thread before asking. It was getting late and as my wife wasn't home from babysitting I was getting a bit worried and wasn't in the best of moods.

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RebeccaL

15 years ago

Considering one 400 word article can be rewritten in what, 5 minutes or so, post to the first to your site and the (shorter, ie 300 word) rewrite to EZA - don't give them your best stuff, just enough to get published and get links and traffic going to your site!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by RebeccaL

Considering one 400 word article can be rewritten in what, 5 minutes or so, post to the first to your site and the (shorter, ie 300 word) rewrite to EZA - don't give them your best stuff, just enough to get published and get links and traffic going to your site!

True. And, this is just how simple it really is. Just make sure your keywords are in both articles, submit and you're good to go.

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15 years ago

I used to submit my articles to EZA, and then wait till they got accepted before posting them on my site...Now i do it the other way round...

Post to your site first, and then EZA!

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15 years ago

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scarob2

15 years ago

Perhaps the reason people keep asking the same questions is because they are still waiting for an intelligent answer.

People assume that everyone here knows what they are talking about, but if that were the case, why are there so many different opinions?

What works for some may not work for others and it can be confusing, especially to a newbie. They are only looking for answers. It's nothing to get upset or excited about.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by scarob2

Perhaps the reason people keep asking the same questions is because they are still waiting for an intelligent answer.

People assume that everyone here knows what they are talking about, but if that were the case, why are there so many different opinions?

Because there is no right answer.

Some people put an article on their own site, then submit to EZA, and when EZA sees the article they say "you stole this article and it's not original."

Some people put an article on EZA, then stick it on their own site, and their site doesn't get good ranking in the SERPs but the EZA article is on the first page.

Other people never have a problem no matter which way they do it.

And all those people are trying to say "do what I do!" because that's the way they do it. But it doesn't matter. You can do it either way. There's no right answer.

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cypherslock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Because there is no right answer.

Some people put an article on their own site, then submit to EZA, and when EZA sees the article they say "you stole this article and it's not original."

Some people put an article on EZA, then stick it on their own site, and their site doesn't get good ranking in the SERPs but the EZA article is on the first page.

Other people never have a problem no matter which way they do it.

And all those people are trying to say "do what I do!" because that's the way they do it. But it doesn't matter. You can do it either way. There's no right answer.

Yup. As we all know good writers do it both ways

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15 years ago

i put it first to eza then to my site.

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eaglechick

15 years ago

Jay - Allen - Kay - Rich Jerk

Guys, Guys listen to these people they've been around the block a few times.

I'm still new but I follow more or less the same approach as Jay

1. Publish article on your site first - they are about 700 - 800 words long
2. I then normally break it up in 2 and rewrite it slightly
3. 1 to EZA (unique) - 350 - 400 words
4. 1 to GOA (unique) - 350 - 400 words
5. Then I snare and some other

I do not submit the same article to EZA and GOA - but some more experienced marketers can probably give some input here. I'm sure it will be fine.

Thx Jay you inspired me to start creating those Squidoo Lenses - so that is next on my agenda.

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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by eaglechick

I do not submit the same article to EZA and GOA - but some more experienced marketers can probably give some input here. I'm sure it will be fine.

You can submit the same if you choose to do so, it is not required that you change it... The thing is if you do change it (rewrite, spin, whatever) there are benefits to this.

A few benefits to submitting a different article

* Possible more publishers will pickup the article
* If at some time dup content does become real you will already be set
* You have the ability to target other keywords for the same niche

But you must do what works best for you.. Some articles I submit are the same and some are spun, so I do a little of both.

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Marhelper

15 years ago

Wow, what a thread. Hours and hours of pure gleaning. Personally, I have done very well with submitting my articles to EZA first. I started by redirecting my link in the resource box to my sales page. As previously stated, you have to do what works for you.

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15 years ago

does it actual work

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capone2009

15 years ago

I don't want to create a new thread for this, but is it possible that I just take one article, spin it 10 times, change the title and keywords and submit them all together to ezine articles?

If they are around 30% unique and all have a new title, there shouldn't be a problem right?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by capone2009

I don't want to create a new thread for this, but is it possible that I just take one article, spin it 10 times, change the title and keywords and submit them all together to ezine articles?

If they are around 30% unique and all have a new title, there shouldn't be a problem right?

No that is not how you use spun articles, only submit one to EZA and the other 9 to other sites. Many are starting to crack down on these articles that are all the same but a little different. This is not proper article marketing and while if approved it may help you some in the short run, it will look bad on you as an author in the long run.

If you plan on getting 80% - 90% in uniqueness then I would see no problem with it ..

James

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15 years ago

where can i post links for free? and also where can i get great cheep content?
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Estelle4131

15 years ago

Ezine is real ticky. I would submit to Ezine first and then do what I wanted after Ezine has approved the article for inclusion in the directory.

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Originally Posted by Estelle4131

Ezine is real ticky. I would submit to Ezine first and then do what I wanted after Ezine has approved the article for inclusion in the directory.

I'm not even going to get involved..... WHOOPS..

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deckman

15 years ago

I have always posted to EZA first and after acceptance (bio linking to my website). I will then post the same exact article to my blog on my website. Doing so has gotten me several 1st page/1st position Google generic listings for my keywords of choice. I do think that people need to spend more time concentrating on having your keyword in your title and no more than 2.50 density in the body with a well flowing article that reads well than worrying about all this other BS.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by deckman

I do think that people need to spend more time concentrating on having your keyword in your title and no more than 2.50 density in the body with a well flowing article that reads well than worrying about all this other BS.

What other BS ????

James

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Mattk 15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

What other BS ????

James

James, I have literally studied this entire thread. Dude, I just want to cry for you.

Keep your head up, and thanks for alllllllllllllll of your advise.
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  Originally Posted by Mattk
  
  James, I have literally studied this entire thread. Dude, I just want to cry for you.
  
  Keep your head up, and thanks for alllllllllllllll of your advise.
  
  LOL .. Thanks Matt ... I am just curious what other BS this poster is talking about .. If he think keyword in your title and body of your article is the only thing that matters then he is mistaken..
  
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greff

15 years ago

I can only say what "I" do.

I put it on my website first. But as said by Jeremy, I think, if you have a brand new website it may be better to put it on EZA first because it will have a better chance to get ranked. As your site gains strength, put new articles on your website first.

I'll give you a clue about powerful websites. You can take an article from EZA, put it on your highly trusted website, and it may outrank EZA and any other site out there.

Go figure.

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geoffcruz

15 years ago

I have tried submitting to eza first then putting it in my blog which is just a blogger blog btw. I was not able to rank the blog no matter what i did. But i have original content on squidoo and other sites that i was able to rank.

What i am trying to say here is, they are right that you publish your content to your site or blog first, because in my opinion, google gives more credit to the first site that your article gets indexed at.

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vicone

15 years ago

I just finished reading all the posts in this thread.

I couldn't find the button which issues medals for this feat.

While I'm here, I'll thank the major contributors to this discussion, it's been a real treat!

A word of caution to others thinking of posting after me - be sure you read the earlier posts first, starting with page 1.

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sixstring

15 years ago

It is great that my 'day job' has allowed me to read this freaking awesome post! It took me about 2 hours.

My eyes have been opened, and I WILL begin to take action.

I special thanks to James, Peter, Keith, Jay and Alexa. I am sorry if I have left anyone out.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sixstring

It is great that my 'day job' has allowed me to read this freaking awesome post! It took me about 2 hours.

My eyes have been opened, and I WILL begin to take action.

I special thanks to James, Peter, Keith, Jay and Alexa. I am sorry if I have left anyone out.

Great so you at least got paid for reading the thread so that is a bonus ..

James

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Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago

I didn't want to come back to this thread until I had something substantial
to add.

I made a statement that it didn't matter if you submitted an article to EZA
first or put it on your blog first.

So I made a little test.

I submitted a few articles to EZA, waited for them to be approved, and then
AFTER approval and they actually went live, I put them on my blog. The
delay was about 2 days.

I then went to Google and typed in the title of the articles.

In each case, my blog ranked higher than the article on EZA's site...even
though I submitted to them FIRST.

So I stand by what I said. In the long run, it doesn't matter who you
submit to first. If you have a good authority blog with solid content, you
WILL outrank EZA.

And I'd even give you the article titles but then this becomes self
promotional and gets deleted, so I can't do that.

And as far as ownership of article, I don't even know what the hell that's
supposed to mean. It's my article...I wrote it.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on the subject based on my own testing.

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15 years ago

Very active thread with great info. I'm going to test this myself and post my results.

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15 years ago

Hey...dude.

I would love to post on Ezine first and then put some part of it on my website...

In the author bio i would like to put the link of my page....!!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Well, you'll be in good company there: that's what most people do who haven't read the whole thread and understood the great advantages of doing it the other way round - and then they wonder why EZA always outranks them for their own keywords. :rolleyes:

Yes folks, while you might finish "War and Peace" sooner, believe me if you just do what she says above you won't feel as...embarrassed. (Took me a while one day, but boy you learn a lot - and not just the obvious lessons either.)

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Well, you'll be in good company there: that's what most people do who haven't read the whole thread and understood the great advantages of doing it the other way round - and then they wonder why EZA always outranks them for their own keywords. :rolleyes:

They also wonder why they make no money and all the gold is right infront of them ...

James

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Kitty Kiki

15 years ago

WOW!!!!...I have just finished with this thread..It took me almost 4 days to read it..

Highest respect to James aka TheRichJerksNet, Keith Kogane, JayExtreme, Allen Graves(are u the founder of WF), Kenjitay, Peter Gibson and other that I did not mention..

Thanks..

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kitty Kiki

Allen Graves(are u the founder of WF),

Nope - That would be Allen Says.

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15 years ago

I have also see the different results when I see the post on my blog also. It's pretty amazing. So yes, I agree. Post the article to your blog first, THEN to EZA

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by everlonglp3

I have also see the different results when I see the post on my blog also. It's pretty amazing. So yes, I agree. Post the article to your blog first, THEN to EZA

Yes it does make a difference ... I posted an article on my blog last night and in 2 minutes it was indexed in google and had top listing over EZA, ArticlesBase, and submityourarticles ...

No backlinks was used at all, only the post to my blog..

I even had a witness so nobody could say I cheated or something ...lol

James

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Kitty Kiki

15 years ago

I just realized lots of people do not bother to read the whole thread..I have learned a lot..and fortunately, I am an action taker...Grateful to God!

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Kitty Kiki

15 years ago

Originally Posted by gjedda63

I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently.

You asked the right question perhaps at the right time! Thanks to you too!

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15 years ago

I finally finished reading the whole thread (what's 5 days between friends) I too want to thank James, Peter, Keith, Jay and Alexa I am so grateful for all the information that you have all shared. I used to send to Ezine first and worse I wouldn't even post it on my blog out of fear that it would be considered duplicate content. Since I started reading this thread I've posted to my new blog first, then to Ezine with positive results. I'm following the step by step plans laid out earlier in the thread and expect to see even better results in the near future.

Anyone who is not willing to read the whole thread well it's their loss not mine...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by pup

I finally finished reading the whole thread (what's 5 days between friends) I too want to thank James, Peter, Keith, Jay and Alexa I am so grateful for all the information that you have all shared. I used to send to Ezine first and worse I wouldn't even post it on my blog out of fear that it would be considered duplicate content. Since I started reading this thread I've posted to my new blog first, then to Ezine with positive results. I'm following the step by step plans laid out earlier in the thread and expect to see even better results in the near future.

Anyone who is not willing to read the whole thread well it's their loss not mine...

It's great to see some actually taking action and moving forward.. Thanks for the FB friends request, I have approved it and if you need anything let me know ..

James

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tush

15 years ago

Why did I take so long to read this thread? I have basically been wasting my time and efforts and content. I would write an article and submit it to ezine. I wouldn't even put it on my site for fear of having duplicate content:confused:

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Desmond Chen

EZA first would be better

It's a shame that you do not even bother to read the thread and just post ... It is even worse that you just blindly follow someone elses advice without testing ...

James

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tush

15 years ago

After reading this thread, I have actuallly gone ahead and submitted two articles to EZA which I had published on my site with slight modification.

The more I think about it, the more these questions keep bothering me. If one submits the same exact article to two places, what will visitors think when they land on your article from EZA for example, click on the link and find the same exact content on your site:confused: I thought articles were to drive people to your site where your site will be viewed as an authority, where you would give even more value:rolleyes: What good is to have the same exact content all over the web, ie EZA, squidoo, name it and your site

Until I read this thread, I would use different key words for my website pages and articles and I would never put the same article in two different places....

Just a newbie wondering

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15 years ago

Tush,
You do not link to the same article .. You link to a related one..

James

Originally Posted by tush

After reading this thread, I have actuallly gone ahead and submitted two articles to EZA which I had published on my site with slight modification.

The more I think about it, the more these questions keep bothering me. If one submits the same exact article to two places, what will visitors think when they land on your article from EZA for example, click on the link and find the same exact content on your site:confused: I thought articles were to drive people to your site where your site will be viewed as an authority, where you would give even more value:rolleyes: What good is to have the same exact content all over the web, ie EZA, squidoo, name it and your site

Until I read this thread, I would use different key words for my website pages and articles and I would never put the same article in two different places....

Just a newbie wondering

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tush 15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Tush,
You do not link to the same article .. You link to a related one..

James

Thanks James,
That makes sense. It is possible that these visitors could find the exact article after searching the site for some time but how many usually do that, and we are talking about a website of many pages
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Franck Silvestre

15 years ago

I always suggest to write two different articles (one for each). But everyone has its own winning strategy.

You just need to do what you prefer, test, and keep what works best.

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Chris Worner

15 years ago

This thread is still going?

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15 years ago

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This thread is still going?

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vuedoolor

15 years ago

James I have a question and yes I have read the whole thread but I don't think I found my answer yet so I wanted to ask..

What if I write an article and submit that same article to, Articlesbase, EZA, Hubs, Squidoo, Aritcle alley, and blogspot and they all link to my money site and all 6 of them also link to each other creating a linkwheel. Since the same article is linking to each other would Google give less weight to those links? Or would Google even index them?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by vuedoolor

James I have a question and yes I have read the whole thread but I don't think I found my answer yet so I wanted to ask..

What if I write an article and submit that same article to, Articlesbase, EZA, Hubs, Squidoo, Aritcle alley, and blogspot and they all link to my money site and all 6 of them also link to each other creating a linkwheel. Since the same article is linking to each other would Google give less weight to those links? Or would Google even index them?

Technically a linkwheel is frowned upon by search engines.. I do not consider what you are saying is a linkwheel, it is more interlinking exchange.

With that said though the only one that can answer your question is google itself because the fact is it is google that only determines if a site is indexed or not.

Many can say yes sure all will be indexed but truthfully nobody can say but google itself. As far as weight, there are far too many factors involved to answer this correctly.

Of course interlinking will increase your rankings but then again there is nothing saying you will even be indexed at all ...

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yachi

15 years ago

I have been submitting articles on my website first and then on Ezine.

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uniquecontent

15 years ago

I think if you have your personal site then you need to pulish your article at there first. Then after EZA because EZA is just a medium of article marketing. If I would have my site I will prefer this way only.

This forum is really cooooool for such kinds of discussion.

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txconx

15 years ago

Well, I made it to page 3!

Thanks to the great contributors who have completely clarified my misconceptions and confusion about this very issue. I'd PM some of you and give you a big wet smoochie I don't have enough posts - for which you are probably grateful. :p

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tush

15 years ago

My two articles were accepted by ezine. Thanks guys an girls

Now, I have a question. What if you need to target two 'different" but "same" key words using the same content? Here is what I mean......

The word "network marketing" and "mlm" basically mean the same thing. What if I write an article on my site with "network marketing" and submit the same exact article to EZA but this time replacing network marketing with "mlm"? Should this be done or it is better to stick with one key word? Any implications? Thanks

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Tush,
Network marketing and mlm is not the same thing.. Huge differences there... Anyways, no do not just re-write this word or that word. This is the problem most do and they end up with many articles that all read the same.

Rewrite the paragraphs and use a different keyword to target but do not just replace the words...

When I say re-write I mean re-write, not replacing words here and there. You can write it to have the same meaning but write it differently.

This way you end up with an article that is going to be 50% or 60% different than the first and it will not just sound similar..

James

Originally Posted by tush

My two articles were accepted by ezine. Thanks guys an girls

Now, I have a question. What if you need to target two 'different" but "same" key words using the same content? Here is what I mean......

The word "network marketing" and "mlm" basically mean the same thing. What if I write an article on my site with "network marketing" and submit the same exact article to EZA but this time replacing network marketing with "mlm"? Should this be done or it is better to stick with one key word? Any implications? Thanks

Tush

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tush

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Tush,
Network marketing and mlm is not the same thing.. Huge differences there... Anyways, no do not just re-write this word or that word. This is the problem most do and they end up with many articles that all read the same.

Rewrite the paragraphs and use a different keyword to target but do not just replace the words...

When I say re-write I mean re-write, not replacing words here and there. You can write it to have the same meaning but write it differently.

This way you end up with an article that is going to be 50% or 60% different than the first and it will not just sound similar..

James

Thanks. I know these words are not the same but sometimes they are used interchangeably within the industry

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About replacing the key words, I have done it before and thougnt there was a problem. Thanks for clarifying this.... Hope I won't be penalised for my past evil act:rolleyes:. Thanks again

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farotto

15 years ago

I would say EZA first of all, Hubpages rewritten right after it's live on EZA, then on your blog.
Right now, EZA and Hubpages are the two only websites on which you can have "duplicate" content problems, so I would publish there first.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by farotto

I would say EZA first of all, Hubpages rewritten right after it's live on EZA, then on your blog.
Right now, EZA and Hubpages are the two only websites on which you can have "duplicate" content problems, so I would publish there first.

You know it pays to read the entire thread before making a reply... You would learn a great deal by doing so ...

James

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

It just amazes me that people still come on this thread and just hit reply . This post has become a valuable resource in it's own right .

With 13 pages of social proof, data backed up fact , as well as true authorities in article and content marketing , wordsmiths , and article directory owners, anyone who is saying EZA first is

1: Showing their incompetence by not using a resource , such as this post , to their full advantage .

2: Raising a question about their own ability to comprehend .

There is nothing wrong with ignorance, it can be cured through education.

Now being an idiot ..... that's a different story .

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15 years ago

Yeah I agree with Allen. Troy .. please do tell us how you "really" feel ...

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Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

It just amazes me that people still come on this thread and just hit reply . This post has become a valuable resource in it's own right .

With 13 pages of social proof, data backed up fact , as well as true authorities in article and content marketing , wordsmiths , and article directory owners, anyone who is saying EZA first is

1: Showing their incompetence by not using a resource , such as this post , to their full advantage .

2: Raising a question about their own ability to comprehend .

There is nothing wrong with ignorance, it can be cured through education.

Now being an idiot ..... that's a different story .

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croutz

15 years ago

Finished reading this very stimulating thread yesterday. Would have liked to thank writers like James, but don't know where to find that thank you button because I'm new here and generally clueless.

Anyway I saw this claim in sales copy (for article submitter) today: "Google and Yahoo will punish your website literary in minutes; as a result of duplicate copies". (You will find that page if you google that sentence). So, can one make a judgement because of that statement that this person don't know what he is talking about, and that the product he is selling is also questionable in value?

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by croutz

Finished reading this very stimulating thread yesterday. Would have liked to thank writers like James, but don't know where to find that thank you button because I'm new here and generally clueless.

Anyway I saw this claim in sales copy (for article submitter) today: "Google and Yahoo will punish your website literary in minutes; as a result of duplicate copies". (You will find that page if you google that sentence). So, can one make a judgement because of that statement that this person don't know what he is talking about, and that the product he is selling is also questionable in value?

I would question his product, motives, and honesty... There are 2 reasons why people do this .

1. To sell their junk product by scaring people into thinking dup content penalty exist.

2. They know nothing about what they talk about and they just follow some self proclaimed guru without testing things for themselves.

No matter which one it is I would not buy from the person because he failed on 1 or 2 levels...

James

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

It just amazes me that people still come on this thread and just hit reply . This post has become a valuable resource in it's own right .

With 13 pages of social proof, data backed up fact , as well as true authorities in article and content marketing , wordsmiths , and article directory owners, anyone who is saying EZA first is

1: Showing their incompetence by not using a resource , such as this post , to their full advantage .

2: Raising a question about their own ability to comprehend .

There is nothing wrong with ignorance, it can be cured through education.

Now being an idiot ..... that's a different story .

I guess that makes me an idiot Troy.

If you notice my last post (I didn't want to come here until I had proof)
my article that I submitted to Ezine Articles first, and then, sometime
after, put on my blog, my blog comes up first in the SERPs.

If you have a solid authority site, it doesn't matter if you submit your
article to EZA or your site first. YOU will outrank EZA.

If you have no site to begin with, and want to get immediate traffic,
putting up a site and submitting to it first gets you nowhere in the short
run. That's all I'm saying.

I know I'm the one holdout who insists it doesn't matter where you
submit your article first, that this nonsense about ownership is just that,
nonsense, but that's okay.

I'm a big boy and I'll take my lumps.

All I know is this. I write my article on day 1, submit it to EZA. On day
3 it is approved. On day 4 I post it on my blog.

When doing a search, my blog outranks EZA.

So in my case, it doesn't matter.

Everybody else, test and see what works for you.

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I guess that makes me an idiot Troy.

If you notice my last post (I didn't want to come here until I had proof)
my article that I submitted to Ezine Articles first, and then, sometime
after, put on my blog, my blog comes up first in the SERPs.

If you have a solid authority site, it doesn't matter if you submit your
article to EZA or your site first. YOU will outrank EZA.

If you have no site to begin with, and want to get immediate traffic,
putting up a site and submitting to it first gets you nowhere in the short
run. That's all I'm saying.

I know I'm the one holdout who insists it doesn't matter where you
submit your article first, that this nonsense about ownership is just that,
nonsense, but that's okay.

I'm a big boy and I'll take my lumps.

All I know is this. I write my article on day 1, submit it to EZA. On day
3 it is approved. On day 4 I post it on my blog.

When doing a search, my blog outranks EZA.

So in my case, it doesn't matter.

Everybody else, test and see what works for you.

I nowhere near think you are an idiot , although I think you are misunderstanding a point here .

You could still submit the same article to your blog first , a huge authority site or a day old site , then to EZA and EZA could care less if it is already published , date/time stamped and already receiving traffic .

The purpose of this thread started out questioning duplicate content , when the real question is really question of syndication.

If you have no site to begin with, and want to get immediate traffic,
putting up a site and submitting to it first gets you nowhere in the short
run. That's all I'm saying.

If you have no site .... then you really have no blog to post to first .

Still it would make no difference to EZA if you posted your article to a 10 minute old site first .

Do you see any merit in posting two articles to your site first , then to eza, cross linking both eza articles to your site ?

This is only building authority to your own site . At the end of the day , your own little piece of internet real estate is what we need to be promoting .

I know I'm the one holdout who insists it doesn't matter where you
submit your article first, that this nonsense about ownership is just that,
nonsense, but that's okay.

In reality it does for the fact that links to your site from EZA improve your site's authority .

I agree about ownership.

At the end of the day this is not about ownership, dup content , syndication or any other reason but investing your time and efforts into your own site first .

There is nothing to test here . Submit to eza first , do nothing to improve your own site's authority .

Submit to your site first , EZA does not care and you have made a solid effort to improve your own online business.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

There is nothing to test here . Submit to eza first , do nothing to improve your own site's authority .

Submit to your site first , EZA does not care and you have made a solid effort to improve your own online business.

See, I guess this is where I just don't see the difference.

As I said, if I post to EZA first and then my site after EZA's article gets
published, my site still outranks EZA.

So how am I not building the authority of my site by submitting to EZA
first?

I'm not saying you should submit to EZA first. I'm just saying that I
don't see the difference based on my own results.

But that's just me. Like I said, everybody else needs to test for
themselves and see what works best for them.

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Troy_Phillips

15 years ago

As I said, if I post to EZA first and then my site after EZA's article gets
published, my site still outranks EZA.

So how am I not building the authority of my site by submitting to EZA
first?

You site outranks EZA because of it's authority.

If you continually post to EZA first , what are you going to link to?

I understand that you can link to a related content page but that related content page should have been cross linked and posted at a directory to get the most out of it ..

Still think it is better to post your material to your site first , cross link, not only to EZA, but many sturdy directories , pdf sites , audio, slide show , social sites, rss directories, video sites , and any other site that allows , if not anchor text , at least link backs .

Am I saying you can't become successful going against posting to your site first ?

You are living proof that there is always an exception to any rule .

The marketer just starting out today really needs to weigh out if they want to build their sites authority or that of another .

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Allen Graves

15 years ago

Troy, Troy, Troy...

Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel. LMAO

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DigiCypher

15 years ago

I'm astounded at the amount of info that is given on this forum. Signing up was my best decision yet. Thanks Gjedda63 for starting this thread

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rodnpet

15 years ago

Wow, what a thread. As a newbie who is still developing the initial content/articles for my first site, I'm glad to learn that I don't need to also obsess over submitting to article directories before posting to my own site. It just doesn't feel right to turn over my articles to someone else before I use them myself, so that's likely a non-starter for me.

After all the great info in this thread, I still know that I have a lot to learn about Article Marketing and will seek out other info/e-books on the topic.

Thanks to all for hammering this topic.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Great to see you actually read the thread and got some info.. Look forward to seeing some updates and how things are moving forward with you ...

James

Originally Posted by rodnpet

Wow, what a thread. As a newbie who is still developing the initial content/articles for my first site, I'm glad to learn that I don't need to also obsess over submitting to article directories before posting to my own site. It just doesn't feel right to turn over my articles to someone else before I use them myself, so that's likely a non-starter for me.

After all the great info in this thread, I still know that I have a lot to learn about Article Marketing and will seek out other info/e-books on the topic.

Thanks to all for hammering this topic.

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CodyTemke

15 years ago

I also agree, Post on site first and then the top 5 directory s

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Chris Worner 15 years ago

Originally Posted by dj11599

hmm maybe put on site first

You think?:rolleyes:
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TheRichJerksNet 15 years ago

Originally Posted by dj11599

intresting

Yeah you know what else is interesting ?

Actually taking the time to read threads and becoming apart of the community instead of running around making 1 or 2 word post just to get your post count up

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DamianLeon

15 years ago

Yes I believe so, because the formatting parameters, etc - once accepted by eZine are pretty universal across the other sites (with some exceptions) so, if you can get it accepted at eZine first, that's great because then you can use the exact headline, summary, body and bio on the other sites

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searchnology

15 years ago

Traditionally you want to put the article on your site first so that page will be the one that is indexed. No reason to give a 3rd party article site credit for it.

But in reality you can do both....on YOUR site just use hexidecimal coding for the html content (look it up) and Google will index both your site article and the article on EZA ...neat trick!

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