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15 years ago

How are you going to open up an account without any bank or credit card. That is required to open up an account the last I saw.

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Pete Egeler

15 years ago

I think you'll have to have a bank account to open your PayPal account.

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Slyknight 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Pete Egeler

I think you'll have to have a bank account to open your PayPal account.

Pete

You can open a papypal account w/o having a bank account (I did it before I had a bank account). You'll be able to receive funds from other paypal members and that's about it.
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Darrel Hawes

15 years ago

If you don't have a credit card or bank account linked, what Paypal limits is how much you can send/spend from your Paypal account.

I suspect refunds don't count against your sending limit, but I'm not sure.

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TheGodfather

15 years ago

no you don't you have to enter your information, name, address email, phone etc...

the credit card/bank account comes later once you've logged in... the thing is my friend has let me to borrow some of his contact info so that i can open a US account since my current country doesn't support receiving payment on paypal i can only send money.

I don't want to ask my friend to provide a bank account number since i don't think that it should be his account on the line... he only gave me permission to use his residential address so i can open the account... But my name is on it...

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi,

no you don't you have to enter your information, name, address email, phone etc...

the credit card/bank account comes later once you've logged in... the thing is my friend has let me to borrow some of his contact info so that i can open a US account since my current country doesn't support receiving payment on paypal i can only send money.

I don't want to ask my friend to provide a bank account number since i don't think that it should be his account on the line... he only gave me permission to use his residential address so i can open the account... But my name is on it...

Um...and how is your friend going to withdraw the money? To his bank account in your name?

Good luck with this...

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TheGodfather 15 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi,

Um...and how is your friend going to withdraw the money? To his bank account in your name?

Good luck with this...

to my knowledge he has his own paypal so i can send the money to his paypal and he can download it to his account
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- ExRat 15 years ago
  
  Hi,
  
  to my knowledge he has his own paypal so i can send the money to his paypal and he can download it to his account
  
  So -
  
  a) you'll pay double fees
  
  b) he'll get taxed on it as income, and if he doesn't choose to pay it himself, they might finger him for evasion
  
  c) they'll want to know your details for taxation, a non existent citizen, which will probably invoke -
  
  d) some people your friend won't want paying particular attention to his accounting - the ones who look into money-laundering
  
  e) regardless of whether it is all sent to your friend, they will STILL want to know your details in order to confirm you exist
  
  And those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
  
  You haven't thought this through, have you?
  
  PS Why URGENT?
  
  PPS It's probably fraudulent. Do you not think they have systems in place to avoid this common occurrence?
  
  my current country doesn't support receiving payment on paypal
  
  Do you not think they might have thought of people trying this when they made that rule?
  
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- Trader54 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TheGodfather
  
  to my knowledge he has his own paypal so i can send the money to his paypal and he can download it to his account
  
  I would think if PayPal found that out they would shut you both down. Then someone can come on here and complain how PayPal froze their account.
  
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John Taylor

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheGodfather

I don't want to ask my friend to provide a bank account number since i don't think that it should be his account on the line... he only gave me permission to use his residential address so i can open the account... But my name is on it...

And you posted this information on a public
forum that PayPal have been known to monitor

I wonder how long it will take for you to get
busted for fraud?

John

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TheGodfather

15 years ago

well how else am i going to provide a payment plan if i can't use paypal? i have moneybookers but they don't have it as simple as paypal...

any bright ideas?

why is this urgent? well i'm about to lunch my site and test it live so i'll be needing someway of receiving payment...

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Here's a thought. Get a bank account?

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TheGodfather

15 years ago

Originally Posted by peter gibson

Here's a thought. Get a bank account?

here's reality: how am I going to get an account when i don't live in the US, nor do I have the funds to open up a nonresidential account which costs $2000 to open (for non-residential clients)?

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheGodfather

here's reality: how am I going to get an account when i don't live in the US, nor do I have the funds to open up a nonresidential account which costs $2000 to open (for non-residential clients)?

And therein lies your problem. Sounds like quite a bloody hassle. Sorry but this is an enigma. I'd just work my butt off to get the 2000.00 cash myself and open my own "non residential client" account.

Trying to spoof Paypal can leave you on the losing end of their wrath.

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TheGodfather

15 years ago

Ok guys i did A LOT of searching and exploring on my server and it seams that i was enabled to use the osCommerce software on my server. Anyway... I managed to integrate a Moneybookers account with it so now i can accept payments from credit cards, bank transfers, e-wallet etc.

This sounds promissing. Plus they accept direct payment from over 200 countries and claim to have the lowest fees on the market. For example, they charge an interest rate of 2,9% for monthly income of €0 - €1000 and an additional fee of €0,29. This sounds reasnoble to me... oh yeah they also do a 7.9% Chargback protection on top of that, since they cover the chargback themselfs, as stated in their TOS.

for more info you can visit: https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=m_fees

some comments on their prices would also come in handy and if someone knows some other online payment option that can send money to an account in croatia is welcome to share it.

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pearlydean

15 years ago

Hi Godfather,
Are you not able to open a bank account in Croatia then? I have a friend who lives here in the UK who is from Croatia and he has a bank account as does his father, uncle, brother who all live in Croatia. If you don't have a bank account how can you access the money that people send you using moneybookers?

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TheGodfather

15 years ago

Originally Posted by John Taylor

And you posted this information on a public
forum that PayPal have been known to monitor

I wonder how long it will take for you to get
busted for fraud?

John

First off, I was given permission by my friend to use that information,
Seccond I still haven't received any money on the account, so paypal can't do anything except close my account, and after a few posts that i've seen on the forum there won't be any harm in that... i might as well close it my self, makes no difference to me since i can't use it anyway because of the whole money transfer issue.

Originally Posted by pearlydean

Hi Godfather,
Are you not able to open a bank account in Croatia then? I have a friend who lives here in the UK who is from Croatia and he has a bank account as does his father, uncle, brother who all live in Croatia. If you don't have a bank account how can you access the money that people send you using moneybookers?

Cheers Keith

I have a bank account here in Croatia, that isn't the point. The thing is that Paypal does not allow for people in Croatia to receive payment on their accounts, we can only send money. I think it has something to do with the fact that our country is ran by idiots and banks don't want to make a contract with paypal. Or it could be that we are not in the EU.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheGodfather

I have a bank account here in Croatia, that isn't the point. The thing is that Paypal does not allow for people in Croatia to receive payment on their accounts, we can only send money. I think it has something to do with the fact that our country is ran by idiots and banks don't want to make a contract with paypal. Or it could be that we are not in the EU.

Let me clue you in! Countries and banks do ******NOT******* "make a contract with paypal"! The reason is because of things like THIS:

Here is a list of the countries tthat do the most fraud and scams.

* Bosnia
* Bulgaria *
* Croatia
* Egypt
* Indonesia *
* Iran
* Iraq
* Israel *
* Malaysia *
* Nigeria
* Pakistan
* Romania *
* Russia
* Serbia
* Singapore
* Yugoslavia

Other countries listed in the top 12 by clearchoice

Ukraine *
Lithuania *
Turkey

NOTICE that croatia is THIRD! Out of 19 countries, TWELVE are not in paypals country list for merchants! COINCIDENCE? I wish I had the list of TWENTY that one of my merchant accounts says NOT to deal with. Still, I know that MOST of these, perhaps ALL, are on that list!

So DON'T blame the country or the banks! BLAME THE PEOPLE! People like YOU that are advocating money laundering, and credit fraud, here! BTW just TRY that with paypal PRO! You will be declined FAST! Of course, paypal may close down all your accounts and change its rules, if you do.

Steve

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TheGodfather

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Let me clue you in! Countries and banks do ******NOT******* "make a contract with paypal"! The reason is because of things like THIS:

Here is a list of the countries tthat do the most fraud and scams.

* Bosnia
* Bulgaria *
* Croatia
* Egypt
* Indonesia *
* Iran
* Iraq
* Israel *
* Malaysia *
* Nigeria
* Pakistan
* Romania *
* Russia
* Serbia
* Singapore
* Yugoslavia

Other countries listed in the top 12 by clearchoice

Ukraine *
Lithuania *
Turkey

NOTICE that croatia is THIRD! Out of 19 countries, TWELVE are not in paypals country list for merchants! COINCIDENCE? I wish I had the list of TWENTY that one of my merchant accounts says NOT to deal with. Still, I know that MOST of these, perhaps ALL, are on that list!

So DON'T blame the country or the banks! BLAME THE PEOPLE! People like YOU that are advocating money laundering, and credit fraud, here! BTW just TRY that with paypal PRO! You will be declined FAST! Of course, paypal may close down all your accounts and change its rules, if you do.

Steve

First of, I do not advocate money laundering, If i want to have a honest living why should my success be hindered by the idiots before me?

I WANTED to do it with paypal, but after seeing that there are a lot of issues with that I have decided to take my business elsewhere...

The ONLY reason why I wanted to use Paypal is because it's widely popular for it's secure payment system etc... and people have learned to trust them.

Just because several idiots in my country are "experts" in finding loopholes in the laws does not mean that I am like that.

Besides, as it turns out, to open a non-residential account somewhere you must have residence so even if i wanted to open a US bank account I would have to move to the US and then open it. And how would I move to the US? By living here not being able to succeed in life and at least have the chance to MOVE OUT OF THIS HELL HOLE?

It's people like you, that are so prejudice, about all of us others and that give the majority of us a bad name.

Btw that list that you posted is not even acurate... I can see that because Yugoslavia does not exist since 1990. so it can't be on the list, also some of those countries are not known for fraud. They are just with an unstable economy and thus marked as a "risk" for paypal to do business with...

And if you NOTICE a bit closely, then you'd notice that the list is ALFABETICALY sorted and that by any chance does not mean that my country is 3rd in fraud... According to the last statistics that I've read, We are somewhere about 18th place or so... but the no.1 place has, guess who - VATICAN... so don't be tellning me that it's just because of that...

Also a notice, Slovenia, a country that was with us in the ex Yugoslavia was also known for fraud, but it got accepted into paypal but only because they are in the European Union...

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peter gibson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Let me clue you in! Countries and banks do ******NOT******* "make a contract with paypal"! The reason is because of things like THIS:

Here is a list of the countries tthat do the most fraud and scams.

* Bosnia
* Bulgaria *
* Croatia
* Egypt
* Indonesia *
* Iran
* Iraq
* Israel *
* Malaysia *
* Nigeria
* Pakistan
* Romania *
* Russia
* Serbia
* Singapore
* Yugoslavia

Other countries listed in the top 12 by clearchoice

Ukraine *
Lithuania *
Turkey

NOTICE that croatia is THIRD! Out of 19 countries, TWELVE are not in paypals country list for merchants! COINCIDENCE? I wish I had the list of TWENTY that one of my merchant accounts says NOT to deal with. Still, I know that MOST of these, perhaps ALL, are on that list!

So DON'T blame the country or the banks! BLAME THE PEOPLE! People like YOU that are advocating money laundering, and credit fraud, here! BTW just TRY that with paypal PRO! You will be declined FAST! Of course, paypal may close down all your accounts and change its rules, if you do.

Steve

Look, I'm not here to pick a fight, and I can't speak for most of the countries on this list you've made, but I can tell you that including Singapore in such a list is complete nonsense.

As for your chosen heading, "Here is a list of the countries tthat do the most fraud and scams. " To my knowledge Singapore has never been recognized in that capacity, and saying so puts an unnecessary slant on my adopted homeland - one that is undeserved. Some Singaporean Warriors could also pipe in here.

I am Canadian and have lived in Singapore for 10 years. I've had a verified paypal account for at least 5 years via my Singapore bank, and lumping this fine country in any way with those that scam or act in fraudulent behavior is not only a false statement, it's an insult to the many warriors here from Singapore who are both reputable and don't deserve the negative light.

I am assuming you gathered this information from another website, in which case I would suggest you check that source carefully. I would also like to know the source so I can properly tear them a new @#$@#.

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RedMatrix

15 years ago

Solution Get a "NETSPEND" card that only costs $10 USD and you get a mastercard #, a bank account #, bank routing number, ... which you can use to open up a paypal account. My PP account was opened like this. No need to "download" deposit to my netspend account, I just use the PP Creditcard to spend it.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Well, "If i want to have a honest living why should my success be hindered by the idiots before me?"? Hey, that is the way the law works, no matter WHERE you are! Joining a federation, like the EU, means you are bound by its bylaws. HECK, DENMARK had to FIGHT to produce a popular danish food. They were made with red dye #2, and the E.U. had outlawed it! They don't accept just anyone, and countries that are accepted must follow guidelines. So I can understand paypal allowing them because fraud is less likely, and prosecution is more likely.

Don't talk to me about prejudice. I couldn't do things because I was too young, or male, or too shy, or too honest, white, made too much, etc.... I was turned down in my first job application ONLY because I was too young. That was ironic because a few years earlier the person I spoke too probably wouldn't have been employed because she was female! I had to buy my first car because I was LITERALLY LAUGHED AT for trying to get insurance for a corvette because I was young and MALE! I had to pay more for car insurance because I was male. I started a business that was stunted because it had to be CASH because of fraud committed by others. I lost my window. LATER I was locked out a lot because I was white. It seemed some other groups had organizations that would get things at a lower price, etc... That is especially ironic because, when I started earlier, I had a lower price than ANYONE! The quality was better, and I knew more about it all. I once got a $5000/year raise, and it made it to where I couldn't afford a home! Talk about IRONIC!

Steve

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TheGodfather

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Well, "If i want to have a honest living why should my success be hindered by the idiots before me?"? Hey, that is the way the law works, no matter WHERE you are! Joining a federation, like the EU, means you are bound by its bylaws. HECK, DENMARK had to FIGHT to produce a popular danish food. They were made with red dye #2, and the E.U. had outlawed it! They don't accept just anyone, and countries that are accepted must follow guidelines. So I can understand paypal allowing them because fraud is less likely, and prosecution is more likely.

Don't talk to me about prejudice. I couldn't do things because I was too young, or male, or too shy, or too honest, white, made too much, etc.... I was turned down in my first job application ONLY because I was too young. That was ironic because a few years earlier the person I spoke too probably wouldn't have been employed because she was female! I had to buy my first car because I was LITERALLY LAUGHED AT for trying to get insurance for a corvette because I was young and MALE! I had to pay more for car insurance because I was male. I started a business that was stunted because it had to be CASH because of fraud committed by others. I lost my window. LATER I was locked out a lot because I was white. It seemed some other groups had organizations that would get things at a lower price, etc... That is especially ironic because, when I started earlier, I had a lower price than ANYONE! The quality was better, and I knew more about it all. I once got a $5000/year raise, and it made it to where I couldn't afford a home! Talk about IRONIC!

Steve

with all due respect, i called you prejudice because you call 'em as you see 'em... with out even thinking... and the "list" proved it... check and mate..

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