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Law of Attraction NEVER Works..... For Me

by Sagar Mehta
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Yep, as goes the title, it hasn't really worked for me till date. When I first watched 'The Secret', it really struck a chord with me

The sheer effect it had on my perspective is something I deeply respect. I have been a positive person since I was a little child and he LOA has only made me more positive.

But, here's the shocker, I don't BELIEVE it.

I liked how The Secret put it but the part where they talked about health and politics made me throw the idea out the window, so to speak.

That's not to say anyone who believes in it is wrong.

There was a thread on this forum months (probably over an year) ago that LOA is all about positivity and I agree with that - it's not any kind of voodoo in my opinion.

Has the LOA worked for you?
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  • Profile picture of the author darkhazza
    I believe our thoughts have an impact on the world. Push on the universe and it pushes back, we are all one and unity etc. But stuck firmly in this illusion called consensus reality I feel like having a realistic outlook is way more important. Getting professional advice has far more positive impact than LOA.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fred1
      Here's a video by Success Magazine publisher, Darren Hardy about "how the law of attraction really works."

      "This is how the Law of Attraction really works. It is not some mysterious, esoteric voodoo, as it sometimes sounds like, as it is being described. It's far simpler and more practical than that."

      YouTube - How Goal Achieving REALLY Works
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin Finkelstein
        Great Video. It makes sense. The Law of Attraction works if I work the Law of Attraction.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bazbo
          There's no doubt that people who have positive outlooks and personalities do better in life, on average, than those who don't. It also seems to be true that people who write down concrete goals on a regular basis achieve more in life than those who don't. And obviously, people who take bold action are far more likely to make an impact than the weak and hesitant.

          On the other hand, The Secret is complete nonsense.

          Does no one else find it strange that shortly after The Secret became a publishing phenomenon, selling by the millions, that the economy went down the toilet?

          A friend of mine in the Los Angeles area swore by the book. She had read it several times, bought copies for others, and watched the online movie like once a week. She would get emotional when discussing The Secret, having to choke back tears when she talked about how much it had changed her life. She was also using it to "manifest" the house of her dreams "at the right price", etc. Finally, she found the house, in a fancy suburb of LA. She called me to tell me about it, and once again began crying as she gave the book all the credit for making her dream come true. She and her husband bought the house, paying $875,000. A year and a half later, after the real estate bust, the house was appraised at about $450,000, and it's still in that range, and they're still stuck with their mortgage for nearly twice that amount. Needless to say, my friend doesn't go on about the power of the The Secret nearly as much as she used to.

          And she was far from alone. Several major newspapers ran articles about the huge percentage of people who had bought houses they couldn't afford because of The Secret, or because they attend a church that preaches the "prosperity gospel", which is basically the same thing. I think Barbara Ehrenreich even discusses the large numbers of LOA adherents who lost the houses they had "manifested" in the crash in her book Bright Sided: How Positive Thinking Is Undermining America. (Which is a good book, by the way, and I recommend that everyone read it.)
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    But, here's the shocker, I don't BELIEVE it.
    And that's why it doesn't work for you.

    Every single successful person I have known personally has always had a success mindset.

    I actually haven't watched or read "The Secret," but I have read other success mindset authors such as Napoleon Hill and Catherine Ponder.

    And one of the lessons that has been repeating in my life for the last six months is the meaning behind the phrase, "Be strong and of good courage," that appears throughout the Old Testament. That phrase is used when people were facing overwhelming and impossible circumstances. The words in the original Hebrew actually mean to be "steadfast and singleminded" and to "fasten upon or to seize."

    The LOA, to "be strong and of good courage" or whatever you want to call it, isn't just about thinking happy thoughts. Napoleon Hill outlines the strategy in "Think and Grow Rich." You have to believe it, make a plan, take action, and have faith and keep your focus even when setbacks occur.

    You may say, "well it's all about hard work," and that is partially true. But when you've done all you can do and can't go any farther on your own steam in your current circumstances but you still maintain that focus and intent, that is when the "magic" happens.

    People will come into your life, doors will begin to open, and you will find things happening that you could have never imagined would.

    It's not some voodoo, it's part of the physical laws of the universe. It's quantum physics. Our intent and focus has an impact on matter.

    Not believing it is your choice and will impact your reality. Some people think the whole "make money online" thing is a fairy tale too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
      Thanks everyone for your input here

      Just want to put out there that I didn't mean to imply that I am not getting success OR that the LOA is bad etc. I probably chose the wrong word when I said 'voodoo' in my OP but that was in good humor.

      Cma1,

      Originally Posted by cma01 View Post

      When you've done all you can do and can't go any farther on your own steam in your current circumstances but you still maintain that focus and intent, that is when the "magic" happens.
      That is something that resonates with me. There are no doubt times when no matter how much effort you put into something, it doesn't work out the way you want it to. And those are the times when one needs to be strong on the inside.

      I feel that LOA is one of the ways of doing that. Like I said in my OP, I stop short of the 'health & politics' part because that violates my logical & rational part.

      A law is a law if it works every time.

      Again, not my intention to ridicule someone else's belief but that's my perspective on laws.

      There are examples I could mention that would prove the, mm, what do you call it, unlawfulness of the LOA but that would beat the point of the thread

      TravlinGuy:

      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      When you notice this happening you need to immediately correct your inner voice because this kind of noise is in direct opposition to what you want. Simple? Yes. Easy? Not always. But before you can fix something you need to be aware of it.
      True. And heartily agreed


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    • Profile picture of the author AlanT
      Originally Posted by cma01 View Post

      And that's why it doesn't work for you.

      ....

      It's not some voodoo, it's part of the physical laws of the universe. It's quantum physics. Our intent and focus has an impact on matter.

      Not believing it is your choice and will impact your reality. Some people think the whole "make money online" thing is a fairy tale too.
      Very well said.

      Our beliefs determine the course our lives go, and if you don't believe in something, the laws of the Universe will guide your experiences so you don't see evidence to the contrary.

      Which is why it's so hard to prove it works. You have to start out BELIEVING it will work, and then you see the evidence to support that belief.
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    • Profile picture of the author eleary
      Originally Posted by cma01 View Post

      You may say, "well it's all about hard work," and that is partially true. But when you've done all you can do and can't go any farther on your own steam in your current circumstances but you still maintain that focus and intent, that is when the "magic" happens.
      I really like how you said that! That is the difference between success and failure! You have to believe in yourself in the darkest hours and keep going.....If you fall down, get back up...if you keep believing in yourself, maintain your focus, with the goal in mind, it will come....

      Mindset is super powerful. Where I think most people get messed up is in not understanding the power our minds have over who we are and what we do. You can say out loud that you want to be successful, but if you don't really believe you can be successful, or if you constantly think thoughts about failure (fear of failure) your mind takes that and runs with it, especially if you are thinking more negative (scared or fearful) thoughts than positive ones.

      It may seem strange, but the truth is, there are many people who are afraid of success, just don't believe it can happen to them. They are the people who call successful people "lucky".

      Reading a book does not make it happen, it can help, and it can motivate you, but people have to work on their thoughts constantly to make it work!
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by cma01 View Post

      And that's why it doesn't work for you.

      Every single successful person I have known personally has always had a success mindset.

      I actually haven't watched or read "The Secret," but I have read other success mindset authors such as Napoleon Hill and Catherine Ponder.

      And one of the lessons that has been repeating in my life for the last six months is the meaning behind the phrase, "Be strong and of good courage," that appears throughout the Old Testament. That phrase is used when people were facing overwhelming and impossible circumstances. The words in the original Hebrew actually mean to be "steadfast and singleminded" and to "fasten upon or to seize."

      The LOA, to "be strong and of good courage" or whatever you want to call it, isn't just about thinking happy thoughts. Napoleon Hill outlines the strategy in "Think and Grow Rich." You have to believe it, make a plan, take action, and have faith and keep your focus even when setbacks occur.

      You may say, "well it's all about hard work," and that is partially true. But when you've done all you can do and can't go any farther on your own steam in your current circumstances but you still maintain that focus and intent, that is when the "magic" happens.

      People will come into your life, doors will begin to open, and you will find things happening that you could have never imagined would.

      It's not some voodoo, it's part of the physical laws of the universe. It's quantum physics. Our intent and focus has an impact on matter.

      Not believing it is your choice and will impact your reality. Some people think the whole "make money online" thing is a fairy tale too.
      I couldn't have said this better. Without having that true focus and intent on achieving something (which is impossible to have since you don't believe in LOA anyway), you can't make this simple law work for you. It all starts with belief, which then leads to focus and intent that guide you in all of your actions, and also make you cognizant of situations and details that you can take advantage of which are in line with your goals and objectives.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    The law of attraction works for everyone. That's why it's a law. Think of it this way, you reap what you sow. Earl Nightingale said it like this: You become what you think about. Oh, yeah. It works. If you're not getting the things you want then you need to examine what you're thinking and doing and then change it.

    I see lots of people saying they want happiness. But they spend the majority of time complaining and whining and never doing a single thing to improve their situation. When you're always bitching 'the law' says, ah, this person must enjoy misery because that's their main focus and the law delivers more of the same. The law always works.

    Some say they want success and then they go out and consciously or unconsciously sabotage everything they do through laziness, dishonesty, apathy, ignorance and all kinds of other things contrary to what they say they want.

    They may feel they're acting in a way to attract success but the law (call it spirit, the universe, God, whatever makes you comfortable) keeps impeccable records and will consistently deliver results that align with your true thoughts and actions.

    I'm not sure what your experience is but perhaps you say you want success and your self-talk is working against you. You might decide you want something and make a plan to go for it. But your inner chatter is saying stuff like, Yeah right. You're going to make a million dollars? Please. You'll be lucky if you make the rent this month. Yadda, yadda yadda...

    When you notice this happening you need to immediately correct your inner voice because this kind of noise is in direct opposition to what you want. Simple? Yes. Easy? Not always. But before you can fix something you need to be aware of it.

    Once you recognize what's working against you and begin to correct it to the right way of thinking you're going to form a positive habit. And after a while healthy thought will dominate your head and come naturally. That's when you'll start to see the results you really desire. Good luck in going for your dreams.
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    • Profile picture of the author AngieGirl
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      The law of attraction works for everyone. That's why it's a law. Think of it this way, you reap what you sow. Earl Nightingale said it like this: You become what you think about. Oh, yeah. It works. If you're not getting the things you want then you need to examine what you're thinking and doing and then change it.

      I see lots of people saying they want happiness. But they spend the majority of time complaining and whining and never doing a single thing to improve their situation. When you're always bitching 'the law' says, ah, this person must enjoy misery because that's their main focus and the law delivers more of the same. The law always works.

      Some say they want success and then they go out and consciously or unconsciously sabotage everything they do through laziness, dishonesty, apathy, ignorance and all kinds of other things contrary to what they say they want.

      They may feel they're acting in a way to attract success but the law (call it spirit, the universe, God, whatever makes you comfortable) keeps impeccable records and will consistently deliver results that align with your true thoughts and actions.

      I'm not sure what your experience is but perhaps you say you want success and your self-talk is working against you. You might decide you want something and make a plan to go for it. But your inner chatter is saying stuff like, Yeah right. You're going to make a million dollars? Please. You'll be lucky if you make the rent this month. Yadda, yadda yadda...

      When you notice this happening you need to immediately correct your inner voice because this kind of noise is in direct opposition to what you want. Simple? Yes. Easy? Not always. But before you can fix something you need to be aware of it.

      Once you recognize what's working against you and begin to correct it to the right way of thinking you're going to form a positive habit. And after a while healthy thought will dominate your head and come naturally. That's when you'll start to see the results you really desire. Good luck in going for your dreams.
      I absolutely LOVE your attitude/spirit!!! I couldn't have worded that any better than you just have I've always believed in positive thinking and letting go of negative energy/things...it's like being in a relationship that you know is never going to work and it's a matter of letting go and getting past the attachment we hold for things/people. Or being on the phone with someone who is literally passing on their negative energy and draining you of yours. If you get me? I personally have not watched "The Secret" but have had a few friends direct me to it in the last year. I do believe in Universal Law but I also believe that you have to educate yourself and be knowledgeable to be able to know what to do when doors do open. I also believe in meditating it does wonders for stress Oh I could write a novel about this
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  • Profile picture of the author USGTMauthor
    I have had this debate tons of times. When people have tried to prove the LOA and I have pressed them, I always found a specific action or set of actions that led to the result they tie to the LOA. Additionally, I know tons of people that say the LOA does not work and sure enough there was no action and so "it" did not work. It is like I have written many times, just show me an action log and I can tell you who will be successful. The LOA as it is currently taught in the Secret is a marketing ploy to sell books.

    I heard a great quote, the law of attraction works if you are attracted to work. In other words you must take action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vezella22
    Thank you very much! I'll give it a try.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author arillera
    I had the same beef with The Secret, the most important part of the puzzle they left out was taking action, they only spent a few minutes on it.

    It's more than "wishing" or "believing" the Lamborghini will show up in the garage.

    Read or listen to The Answer from John Assaraf, it is sort of a follow up to The Secret and puts the rest into more practical terms.

    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author mllnsgrl
    I personally think the Law of Attraction is always working - whether you want it to or not.

    Not just for money, or lack of..

    Even pertaining to weight gain (just listen to peoples "self talk"), accidents and illnesses that I've had - when looking back on my mindset at those time - it always reflected something negative, and "wrong" in my thinking. An example... saying to your self "I can't stomach this situation" over and over a period of time can definitley affect your health, digestion.

    The subconscious or inner mind controls your whole outer life, or reality as you personally perceive it. The outer reflects the inner (relationships, career, whatever).

    Just what I believe.
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  • Profile picture of the author PLR Basket
    The law of attraction doesn't work simply because your thoughts do not create or attract things into your life. Intention followed by subsequent action, or inaction, creates things into your life.

    You cannot retrace the root of an intention. When you devise the plan that you're going to actively manifest something into your life trough a technique like the law of attraction, that only means that there is the intention for creating that thing you're wishing for.

    There isn't one person in the world, not even Bob Proctor or any loa guru, that can tell me that the law of attraction works every time. If it was a law, it would work every time for everyone, like the law of gravity.

    The truth is that you only get what you need at different times in your life. If you get a million dollars a year from now and you convince yourself that it was because you "wished" it into existence, you are free to believe what you want. But the truth is that you visualizing and wishing for a thing and than getting it is only the storyline of how the million dollars came into existence.

    The idea of you actively manifesting that million dollars into your life is nothing but an illusion. The illusion of control over your reality. You can only have limited control over your reality, because you only have a limited understanding of it. You can't fully control something that you can't fully comprehend.

    Hope that makes sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author JTDrew
      You are right. "As you think so shall you be." The illusion is the illusion.

      Furthermore: If thoughts are not real would you or anyone even dare over the next 30 days to sit for just 10 minutes per day, completely focused with emotion, that you have cancer. 10 minutes a day for the next 30 days. You would not do that! In fact don't do that!

      Instead apply the same technique on something that you do want. Again the key is not simply a thought but rather the feeling behind that thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Some good thoughts in here.

    'Action leads to success' is one cliche I've always agreed with, LOA or not.

    A teacher I had when I was in school often told us this:
    "It's easy to fail - just don't do anything".

    He also said that not every action you take is going to lead to success because there are just too many variables. There are going to be failures even when you take action.

    BUT, that is where your mindset will make a difference.

    Keep kickin' - that's how you came into the world!

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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I can see why it doesn't work... Law of attraction NEVER works... title of the thread says it all on the type of outlook you have.

    It really does work... obviously you need to take action, you can't just sit around and think positive without doing anything else. I get results because I take action and for the most part I have a positive outlook! I take action because of the positive energy behind it to accomplish what I want.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I can see why it doesn't work... Law of attraction NEVER works... title of the thread says it all on the type of outlook you have.

      It really does work... obviously you need to take action, you can't just sit around and think positive without doing anything else. I get results because I take action and for the most part I have a positive outlook! I take action because of the positive energy behind it to accomplish what I want.
      That's true.

      Something I'd like to reiterate is that I KNOW why it doesn't work for me actually. And still, I have ample success in my life and am getting where I want to.

      But, I won't give credit to the LOA for that. Like I said in one of my posts:

      A law is a law if it works in every situation.

      I wanted to see how many people, if any, agree on that point

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  • Profile picture of the author AlanT
    Yes, I think we can all agree that a a "law" of the universe must, by definition, work in every situation.

    Of course, you have to understand that the LOA is like the laws of chemistry. Just because the law itself works, doesn't mean that everyone knows how to use it. You have to have the right ingredients, combined in the right proportions, with the right techniques.

    I don't think anyone here doubts the laws of chemistry, but how many can produce salt from the basic compounds?

    Saying the LOA doesn't work simply because you didn't get the results you wanted doesn't make it so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    A very valid point, Alan.

    But don't you think the fact that LOA involves believing it for it to work is a little gray area?

    I do not know of any law that requires believing that it will work. That's my only complain, really.

    Apart from that, I love the whole idea of LOA & the positivity it can build up in people.

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    • Profile picture of the author AlanT
      Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

      A very valid point, Alan.

      But don't you think the fact that LOA involves believing it for it to work is a little gray area?

      I do not know of any law that requires believing that it will work. That's my only complain, really.

      Apart from that, I love the whole idea of LOA & the positivity it can build up in people.

      Sagar
      When you realize that there is more to the Universe than the physical, and that on a "higher" level, things like belief are just as "real" as anything else, and even more so, you start to understand how this works.

      Of course, I fully understand where you're coming from, because I've been there myself. It takes a LOT of time, and experimentation, to realize how the pieces fit together, and even after 30 years, I'm still learning new bits and pieces.

      A couple of years ago, I summed up my understanding of this subject into a $17.95 paperback, "Choose To Believe", which is listed on Amazon. The first chapter is attached here. It covers the science behind the LOA.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Alan,

    Thanks for that. A good read, and really makes me wonder.

    Just two things:

    1. A placebo works - but not every time. And that is what makes it unreliable.

    So if LOA was to be thought of as a placebo, one is bound to be disappointed in the long run.

    2. If LOA does work, I would find it rather disturbing to know that someone 'manifested' what happened in Japan (and in India in 2004).

    And I hope you'd agree, that to even suggest the 2nd point above is ridiculous.

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    • Profile picture of the author AlanT
      Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

      Alan,

      Thanks for that. A good read, and really makes me wonder.

      Just two things:

      1. A placebo works - but not every time. And that is what makes it unreliable.

      So if LOA was to be thought of as a placebo, one is bound to be disappointed in the long run.

      2. If LOA does work, I would find it rather disturbing to know that someone 'manifested' what happened in Japan (and in India in 2004).

      And I hope you'd agree, that to even suggest the 2nd point above is ridiculous.

      Sagar
      The reason for the inconsistency is based on the inconsistency in the level of belief people have to placebos, and even medication in general.

      Actually, the 2nd point is not ridiculous, as most of us have been taught that disasters of all kinds "just happen" and this belief works to manifest random event to support our belief in random events.

      And yes, I realize the "catch-22" nature of this.

      I look at it this way -- it is our destinies to evolve behind "being human" into being something much greater, and for this to happen, we must learn to control our minds, to the point of believing in things which have not been true before.

      All I can offer at this point, is that when you work with the idea, you start to see evidence which supports it, to the point where you really do start to believe in "magic". I could go on for hours about things I've 'manifested', such as controlling weather, even stopping a tornado that was coming in my direction once. (Within 5 minutes of 'intending' for it to stop, it did.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Hydroxide
    Does the law of gravity work for you? Yes.
    Then why not the LOA?

    Think of it this way. Both are laws.
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    • Profile picture of the author AlanT
      Originally Posted by Hydroxide View Post

      Does the law of gravity work for you? Yes.
      Then why not the LOA?

      Think of it this way. Both are laws.
      Gravity doesn't always appear to be working. Consider mag-lev trains, which actually 'float' above the tracks. How is gravity working there?
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      • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
        Originally Posted by AlanT View Post

        Gravity doesn't always appear to be working. Consider mag-lev trains, which actually 'float' above the tracks. How is gravity working there?
        Alan,

        That would be incorrect.

        Gravity is a force. If you apply a force greater than gravity, in the opposite direction, you can stop things from "going downwards". That is why we can pick up things etc. We do it with muscular force, Mag-lev trains do it with electricity & magnetism.

        As far as turning away a tornado is concerned, the law would only hold true if you can stop every tornado coming your way. Otherwise, it's lucky coincidence.

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        • Profile picture of the author AlanT
          Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

          Alan,

          That would be incorrect.

          Gravity is a force. If you apply a force greater than gravity, in the opposite direction, you can stop things from "going downwards". That is why we can pick up things etc. We do it with muscular force, Mag-lev trains do it with electricity & magnetism.

          As far as turning away a tornado is concerned, the law would only hold true if you can stop every tornado coming your way. Otherwise, it's lucky coincidence.

          Sagar
          According to your logic, if a plane crashes, then the "laws" of aerodynamics have failed and can no longer be considered a "law" at all.

          Again, I'll say that just because YOU (not referring to any one person specifically, here -- just anyone in general) haven't gotten the results you want from using the LOA doesn't mean the LOA itself is at fault. It just that you missed one or more of the requirements.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
            Alan,

            Originally Posted by AlanT View Post

            According to your logic, if a plane crashes, then the "laws" of aerodynamics have failed and can no longer be considered a "law" at all.
            I am not sure how you derived that from what I posted, but the laws of aerodynamics haven't failed in a air crash. Aerodynamics are working perfectly fine, up until the point that the plane's wings or tail or engines stop functioning properly.

            Power and proper air flow were the requirements for the aerodynamics to work. When they are not in the required 'quantity', the law doesn't fail, it stops working.


            Originally Posted by AlanT View Post

            Again, I'll say that just because YOU (not referring to any one person specifically, here -- just anyone in general) haven't gotten the results you want from using the LOA doesn't mean the LOA itself is at fault. It just that you missed one or more of the requirements.
            I understand your point there, Alan. But gravity has ALWAYS worked, irrespective of whether we BELIEVE it or not.

            Aerodynamics always worked, way before people discovered its functioning (in birds, for example).

            The point I'm trying to make is that BELIEF is subjective, and I'm yet to come across any law that has belief as a contributing factor.

            I'm not AGAINST the LOA. Heck, anything that helps people keep positive, and really work toward their goal ranks high in my list of 'Recommended Stuff'. And I'm not even complaining that why it doesn't work for me - I"m happy the way things are.

            But when observed data doesn't match expected results, given proper controls, the power (or the 'law-ness') of the law stands questioned.

            Don't mean to go all scientific here but you get my drift..

            Warmest Regards,
            Sagar

            PS: A great discussion, mate. Thank you for this.
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            • Profile picture of the author AlanT
              Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

              Alan,



              I am not sure how you derived that from what I posted, but the laws of aerodynamics haven't failed in a air crash. Aerodynamics are working perfectly fine, up until the point that the plane's wings or tail or engines stop functioning properly.

              Power and proper air flow were the requirements for the aerodynamics to work. When they are not in the required 'quantity', the law doesn't fail, it stops working.




              I understand your point there, Alan. But gravity has ALWAYS worked, irrespective of whether we BELIEVE it or not.

              Aerodynamics always worked, way before people discovered its functioning (in birds, for example).

              The point I'm trying to make is that BELIEF is subjective, and I'm yet to come across any law that has belief as a contributing factor.

              I'm not AGAINST the LOA. Heck, anything that helps people keep positive, and really work toward their goal ranks high in my list of 'Recommended Stuff'. And I'm not even complaining that why it doesn't work for me - I"m happy the way things are.

              But when observed data doesn't match expected results, given proper controls, the power (or the 'law-ness') of the law stands questioned.

              Don't mean to go all scientific here but you get my drift..

              Warmest Regards,
              Sagar

              PS: A great discussion, mate. Thank you for this.

              I'm also enjoying the discussion. And while I feel I keep repeating myself in order to help you and others see what I see, I completely understand where you're coming from.

              One of the primary differences between the LOA and physical laws is that physical laws do not depend so much on the contents of ones mind, whereas the LOA is rooted within the mind. That's why belief plays a major part in the LOA, but does not play a part in things like gravity, aerodynamics, and so forth.

              I have a theory that many of the physical laws may be traced back to the LOA, and the main reason we have been able to define the physical laws in absolute terms is because we have a LOOOOOONG history of 'expecting' physical reality to follow certain patterns.

              Of course, I cannot prove that, even to myself. At least not yet.

              If you have ANY interest in pursuing this further, I encourage you to look into the history of some of our physical "laws" and see how much controversy there was when certain laws were first introduced, and sometimes even decades later.

              The idea that the world was round instead of flat was controversial.
              The idea that the Earth circled the sun was extremely controversial.
              The idea that energy and matter were 2 forms of the same thing was controversial.

              We are currently in a time when the idea that our consciousness has a direct impact on physical matter is controversial.

              I realize that not everyone is ready to consider the idea, let alone accept it as a fact. That's okay. I don't have any "need" to convince you otherwise, although I think everyone could be better off if they learn how to control their beliefs to the point of being able to control their experiences.

              Someone asked how many times, out of a year, we've seen the LOA work.

              I can say that I've seen it at work ALL my life, even when I didn't get what I wanted. I got what I EXPECTED, on at least one level of belief.

              We have multiple levels of belief, and some levels are more influential than others. (My book, "Choose To Believe", addresses this concept in more depth, and helps the reader see the patterns within themselves.)

              There are several reasons why the connection between belief and reality is not obvious, and why it can be very easy to believe there is no connection.

              However, the LOA will attract experiences which support your belief that the LOA doesn't work. In effect, it proves itself by hiding.

              I appreciate the discussion, however, I do have many projects to work on, and I may not be able to continue.

              Thanks to everyone here.
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              • Profile picture of the author grin
                I have a theory that many of the physical laws may be traced back to the LOA
                Actually, I think I may have mentioned this before but Issac Newton was a full blown expert in the LOA. He translated the law into English and here it is:

                is true without lying, certain most true.
                That which is below is like that which is above that which is above is like that which is below to do the miracles of one only thing.
                And as all things have been arose from one by the mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation.
                The Sun is its father, the moon its mother,
                the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nurse.
                The father of all perfection in the whole world is here.
                Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth.
                Separate thou the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross sweetly with great industry.
                It ascends from the earth to the heaven again it descends to the earth and receives the force of things superior and inferior.
                By this means ye shall have the glory of the whole world thereby all obscurity shall fly from you.
                Its force is above all force. for it vanquishes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid thing.
                So was the world created.
                From this are and do come admirable adaptations whereof the means (Or process) is here in this.
                Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world.
                That which I have said of the operation of the Sun is accomplished and ended.
                Now while this can address many things, the root of it is that all the energy that we get comes from the sun, then it is absorbed by everything, and then this energy is dispersed as it moves.

                The LOA simply states that energy commutes or corresponds and that if anything is attracted or repelled it is based on the energy derived from the sun. Thinking on this caused Newton to discover his theories of gravity and also form his ideas of natural law from cosmic law.

                Einstein, formed his theories of relativity looking at sunlight showing through a leaf, and meditating on "what is light". He attracted this idea to his own mind, and then changed the world completely - after failing math.

                The problem is that when people think that LOA is similar to a genie in a bottle granting free beer, then the issue gets off the mark. The LOA is about the energy of the universe, from the sun as well as other unseen forces. So for instance, the sun gives the ability for wheat to grow, we think on this and carry out the action using the energy we collect from eating. When there is a surplus from the yield, we sell that for money. The money is our mathematical and logical way of placing a unitary value on the energy or "potential" derived from the sun. The LOA, when it comes to money is also about asking the question "How can I attain more energy than normal", as any object living on this planet can only absorb so much energy at any given moment - this is the essence of power.

                Now, if you think on this and you get an idea for a product or service that causes or convinces others to transfer energy, such as money. Then you have attracted more energy using the LOA. So if you have ever received a paycheck, then you have seen this law in action. While the implications of getting a new car, or an amazing relationship with a new love are possible - these are not measurable events. That is why the law is measured in its absolute and fundamental base which is the energy of the sun.

                Without that sun there is no life, water, oil, or even modern philosophy. Without the energy of the sun, you would not be here to even wish for anything. On top of that, the more you examine this you will begin to understand there is an abundance in world that has been given for you. So, for anything that you need - you have every opportunity to attract it into your life. However, if you believe that it is not there, this will also be true. So for anyone who says "It's does not work" - you have by default used it to attract that desire.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneycometh
    I watched the Secret when it first came out. I've have much more success following Napolean Hills "Law of Success" course. After all, he is the master. Check it out. I always recommend his teachings.
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    • Profile picture of the author MBizInc
      It depends on the situation: for example, LOA can work pretty good in Sales, PR, Communication, Journalism.
      Studies have shown that body language works not only in romantic relationships, but also in human interpersonal relationships.

      So you can take the basis of LOA and try to apply it in your working environment, also.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    This LOA stuff is ridiculous. It's the same thing as diet pill manufacturers that proudly proclaim that you will lose huge amounts of weight with their products. Of course, there's that little "along with a diet and exercise program" caveat that they throw in at the end.

    If you just take the pill and don't diet or exercise, you'll stay fat.

    If you just see yourself as successful but don't work hard and/or smart, you'll stay unsuccessful.

    The "belief" might help you reach a proper mindset to do the work but greed or the fear of starvation or the desire for a better life or the need to educate your kids or the love of your work can inspire you as much or more than just picturing yourself as successful.

    Get to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave147
    Of course it works and works quite well...if you follow the LOA steps
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  • Profile picture of the author USGTMauthor
    Gravity can be proven, the LOA can't. Research as scientific law and you will see what I mean. Lots of people think lots of thoughts that do not come true. If you need to take action, then it actually would be more plausible to call it the law of action. But really even action does not work all the time. It is just more probable you succeed with action as opposed to thinking attracting and manifesting. Personally, LOA may or may not be real, but I know I can control my actions so that is what I focus on.
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    • Profile picture of the author AlanT
      Originally Posted by USGTMauthor View Post

      Gravity can be proven, the LOA can't. Research as scientific law and you will see what I mean. Lots of people think lots of thoughts that do not come true. If you need to take action, then it actually would be more plausible to call it the law of action. But really even action does not work all the time. It is just more probable you succeed with action as opposed to thinking attracting and manifesting. Personally, LOA may or may not be real, but I know I can control my actions so that is what I focus on.
      It has taken many decades to prove many of the "laws" of physics. Just because something cannot be proven (to your satisfaction) right now, doesn't mean it isn't real.

      The existence of black holes couldn't be proven for quite a number of years. Same thing with Einsteins theory of relativity. Couldn't be proven until much, much later.
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      • Profile picture of the author USGTMauthor
        A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them. One way to tell a law and a theory apart is to ask if the description gives you a means to explain 'why'.
        Example: Consider Newton's Law of Gravity. Newton could use this law to predict the behavior of a dropped object, but he couldn't explain why it happened.



        Since there are exceptions to the LOA it is not a law. Too many people have said the LOA has not worked for them for it to be a law.
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        • Profile picture of the author AlanT
          Originally Posted by USGTMauthor View Post

          A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them. One way to tell a law and a theory apart is to ask if the description gives you a means to explain 'why'.
          Example: Consider Newton's Law of Gravity. Newton could use this law to predict the behavior of a dropped object, but he couldn't explain why it happened.



          Since there are exceptions to the LOA it is not a law. Too many people have said the LOA has not worked for them for it to be a law.
          Gravity existed for thousands of years before anyone could predict the behavior of a dropped object. Did that stop it from being a law? NO.

          The fact is, the LOA has not yet been fully discovered, and therefore it is OUR weaknesses that prevent us from understanding it fully, not the law itself.
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        • Profile picture of the author MBizInc
          Originally Posted by USGTMauthor View Post

          A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them. One way to tell a law and a theory apart is to ask if the description gives you a means to explain 'why'.
          Example: Consider Newton's Law of Gravity. Newton could use this law to predict the behavior of a dropped object, but he couldn't explain why it happened.



          Since there are exceptions to the LOA it is not a law. Too many people have said the LOA has not worked for them for it to be a law.
          Well, in scientific terms, a law can be confirmed or can not be confirmed. Either way, the law remains a law.

          Of course, this is different from the common terms, in our daily lives. We think in terms of subjectivity: if something works for me, then it exists. If not, then it doesn't.

          Last, but not least, we seek comfort or people who are in the same situation, in order to feel at peace with ourselves. e.g. "So it seems that I am not the only one going through this" or "So LOA does apply/doesn't apply for you too?"
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    Of course not. It's all mumbo jumbo new age bs.

    Gravity can be proven, the LOA can't. Research as scientific law and you will see what I mean. Lots of people think lots of thoughts that do not come true. If you need to take action, then it actually would be more plausible to call it the law of action. But really even action does not work all the time. It is just more probable you succeed with action as opposed to thinking attracting and manifesting. Personally, LOA may or may not be real, but I know I can control my actions so that is what I focus on.
    This.
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  • Profile picture of the author donnarn
    I was playing word bingo with the 3rd graders the other day. This little girl kept saying I am never going to get a bingo. I finally told her keep saying I am going to get a bingo over and over. She got the bingo within a few words.. I told her about being positive and the law of attraction. I think people need to be taught young. Don't you?
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  • Profile picture of the author PLR Basket
    Who on this forum can tell me that the law of attraction works for them every time?

    In a year, how many of the things you wish for actually materialize? Please be honest.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by Chris Moore View Post

      Who on this forum can tell me that the law of attraction works for them every time?

      In a year, how many of the things you wish for actually materialize? Please be honest.
      I think that's an important question to ask actually.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Cause trouble, attract trouble. Act like a troll, get treated like a troll. Continue to violate the rules of the forum, get booted from the forum. See, the LOA is simply the law of cause and effect. Good luck.
      If that was so, every criminal we know of today would have been taken care of by the law.

      I can look around in the world and see it isn't being done.
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

        If that was so, every criminal we know of today would have been taken care of by the law.

        I can look around in the world and see it isn't being done.
        First, I wasn't talking about criminals. I was addressing someone who has been warned to stop stirring it up in here or face the consequences.

        Having said that, let's take a look at your argument. But first, you need to understand something. There are laws that humans create. Then, there are God's laws. If you have trouble with the God concept then call it natural aw or whatever you like.

        Take gravity for an example. Under normal conditions on earth, gravity always works. I guess I feel the need to mention that it works under normal conditions because someone is bound to come in here and start talking about anti-gravity chambers or some other 'technical' flaw in the rational.

        So we have man's law and natural law. You say that if the cause and effect thingy worked every time then all criminals would be in jail. But let me give you an example of why that argument is flawed and why cause and effect is real.

        I have an acquaintance. He's a very generous guy. He's also a thief. He'll steal anything that isn't nailed down and then brag about it. And he's never been caught. So far that's one point for your argument and zero for the LOA. But stay with me because here's the nugget.

        This guy has a bunch of rental properties. And every so often one of his tenants will move out in the middle of the night owing him several months rent and leaving a couple grand in trash disposal fees. And here's what's funny. He thinks that because he's generous that the LOA is flawed. To him it's obvious that the LOA doesn't work because generous people should be rewarded.

        But the natural law doesn't give a hoot about human law or our flawed reasoning when it comes to natural law. It responds to our thoughts and actions in like kind. So when someone like the guy I mentioned steals and escapes the cops he thinks he gets away with something. But then someone screws him in his rental business. When someone moves out owing the landlord money, they've stolen from him. So the landlord thinks he gets away with theft and then effectively gets robbed himself. It's like for like and he never makes the connection.

        When we look around and say the LOA doesn't work based on appearances we almost never have enough information. Everyone alive has their own cause and effect 'deal' with the Universe based on thoughts and actions. And based on appearances in a given situation, you might see an apparent flaw in the LOA, but you have no idea what the individual in question has done outside of that situation.

        Consequently, you don't have enough info to make a valid assessment. Hell, it's hard enough to figure out what we are doing that doesn't work, let alone try to figure out everyone else's stuff.

        So that's if for me. I'm not here to convince anyone, really. I've offered a couple of examples. For some they might clarify things a bit while others will continue to deny it. So it goes. Peace.
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        • Profile picture of the author grin
          Take gravity for an example.
          Interesting point here. Newton discovered gravity while studying the law of attraction. In fact Newton was one of the few people who had translated it into English.

          I started studying the origins of this and the other laws of the cosmos around 16, I can tell you its worth it to learn this without a doubt - but it can be a mind bender if you choose to pick it apart. If you just believe it, then it works twice as fast. However, know that I am a questioning kind of guy, so I certainly did not do that right off the bat. Instead I spent over 15 years picking it apart. So, hey go ahead and do that, it has the same outcome even if it is a little prolonged (for anyone doubting the whole thing).

          So as for the law of commerce (attraction) it would at least be good to also study the law of economy as well. It's kind of comical to think of following one cosmic law and not the others as well. But also consider that wikipedia and IM DVD's selling books are not the best sources to do this.

          One avenue of study I followed was tracing the source of LOA. What was interesting is that there is a certain level of "scam" to it. However, if it is a forgery or some kind of fake thing - this goes back as the oldest one you can find. From Newton all the way back to Alexander the Great apparently. It was supposedly written in a letter from Aristotle to Alexander as a suggestion of expertise on how to run a nation and rule fairly over the people. It is also connected to the Tarot deck, and is of course connected to old mystery schools such as the Pythagorean philosophies. So it can turn into a hell of a study if you want to go down that road. Keep in mind without those guys thinking about math all day long, this entire planet would look EXTREMELY different right now. So can this law change worlds? Does it work? Did we land on the moon and split an atom?

          The biggest mystery in getting the LOA to "work" is to release an expectation to the result; while having a clear vision of that same result. I rarely hear people talk about that part. However, that part is CRITICAL. So, wondering if "it will work" is directly in opposition to the law you are trying to operate - a paradox in totality. Another part is action taken on the result. If you see the opportunity to get what you wanted to attract but do not have the intent or will to do so, then even if you notice the event it might as well have never existed at all. You have to be ready and prepared to act on the event that you attracted.

          So, if you wish for 10,000 dollars and then someone says "hey can you write a book for me?" and then your self confidence tells you "I don't know, that sounds tough". Then your event will decay and disappear into the ether. So think of the Tarot card of the fool stepping over the cliff without any care in the world - except for this little ******* dog barking at him. He will succeed because he makes that leap of faith. But if he were to stop and turn his head - all he will get is a mangy dog barking at him "You can't do that!".
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        • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
          Originally Posted by grin View Post

          That has a bunch to do with the fact you are questioning a law of non-questioning.
          In my life, I've kept logic & reasoning WAY above anything that would claim to be unquestionable.

          So, to me, every law is questionable. And without a plausible (preferably provable) explanation, every law would be a theory.

          And science has its fair share of theories, which are at least mathematically correct. And plausible.

          The onus of evidence lies with the claimant.

          (not you specifically : )

          Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

          First, I wasn't talking about criminals. I was addressing someone who has been warned to stop stirring it up in here or face the consequences.
          My bad. I apologize : )

          Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

          I have an acquaintance. He's a very generous guy. He's also a thief. He'll steal anything that isn't nailed down and then brag about it. And he's never been caught. So far that's one point for your argument and zero for the LOA. But stay with me because here's the nugget.

          the landlord thinks he gets away with theft and then effectively gets robbed himself. It’s like for like and he never makes the connection.
          I understand your logic here. But I don't think any of law agencies would consider that APT or CORRECT punishments. A crime is a crime is a crime and only the courts can punish for it.

          It's true that it "serves him right", but that is just not enough.


          Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

          Consequently, you don’t have enough info to make a valid assessment.
          And so doesn't anyone else who thinks LOA works. Personal experience doesn't count as evidence.

          And to put it in perspective, and this a little personal, I'm certain that I did NOT attract a father who'd walk out on us when I was 5.

          And if you say the people around me DID attract that, I am reduced to collateral damage - not a very positive outlook, I'd say.

          A person who's standing at the edge of a high rise building's roof who falls down due to gravity pushed over can be blamed for his stupidity. The person who dies because that guy fell on him cannot be blamed, except for being in bad luck.

          And luck doesn't seem to be following any law, so far. : )
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          • Profile picture of the author grin
            The onus of evidence lies with the claimant
            Very good point, and also a derivative maxim descendant from the law of commerce. So...where is your evidence since this thread is your claim and interest?

            The law of attraction is actually a Law and not a theory. From Asia and across to Europe it has been observed and written down as law. Your own belief that it is a theory is minuscule compared to the authorities who have contracted it into law.

            Now, if you are structuring your doubt off of a DVD that was rigged for a retail campaign, I would agree - that is not something to totally buy into - AT ALL.

            If you would like to study the origins of this as a law, I would suggest you look it up and read up on what it entails and why it came to be. It was first written down in cuneiform as well as sankskrit. It had to do primarily with what rights you have if any. Since it was recognized that all things come from the sun or cosmos in order for you to even exist, you are afforded certain rights in order to live your life. If you look up the origins of the idea of "liberty" you will see how this came about. The essential idea being the things that you own and those that you owe. Interestingly enough, this is symbolized in libra - and that symbol also exists for the British pound.

            You may realize that this law has come up more often in history as to what authorities land owners had over the people. It comes up quite often enough. You say you have a right to stand here on earth, and then a more powerful person says you don't - and the argument goes on and on until we have nations and borders all over the place. We had to come up with the idea at some point that there was an authority greater than land owners, and that we have at least the right to live, breathe, eat etc.

            So, if you really do not think this is a law, then I would very much like to take your property away from you since you don't seem to think its really yours to have And I love to attract as much as I can while I am here from anyone who does not appreciate what was given to them. Just kidding of course - but consider this - the law of attraction is much more complex than you may first think. It is not some new age gimmick that is suppose to make you rich overnight or "fix" your world based on whimsies. So you are right, the vanity version of it is not something to believe in at all. However, stating that you do not believe in an unbelievable thing does not correlate with profound truth. All you have achieved is to explain that you do not understand what you do not understand.

            Actually, the law only states that what comes from the sun, comes down to us then returns to the sun. So, if you think that is just a theory - I would really like to know where you think all this energy is coming from?

            It then states that you have been given this energy and that how it transfers out from you is based on your intent and will - that this choice is up to you. Are you saying that, it is not free will and that you are being influenced by external forces?

            Or are you arguing that there are no magic fairies that will deliver a magic check to you for $250,000 by tomorrow? Well, who told you that was going to happen? A goofy idea and the law of attraction are not the same thing. So if you do not believe in goofy ideas that is fine, but the law of attraction is very real and very much a law.
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            • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
              Originally Posted by grin View Post

              Very good point, and also a derivative maxim descendant from the law of commerce. So...where is your evidence since this thread is your claim and interest?
              I wasn't out here to prove anything : )

              All I said in my OP was that I don't believe in the LOA. That doesn't require any evidence.

              When I said that "the onus of proof lies on the claimant", I simply meant that the person claiming that XYZ is true, will have to provide evidence FIRST.

              If you're (not you specifically) going to call the LOA a LAW, you would need to provide objective evidence that would prove it.

              I am yet to come across solid proof for the same and MY mind doesn't let me believe it without it. But that's typical me : )
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              • Profile picture of the author ChrisKahler
                Personally, I believe the law of attraction should be thought of as the law of awareness rather than attraction. The concept behind the law is a good idea, but really it isn't a law it is more of a theory. The only reason why it is called a "law" is for marketing purposes. That word naturally holds more credibility.

                But naturally we become aware of what we tend to focus on the most, and anyone who attempts to practice the LOA puts a lot of thought towards certain things.

                This awareness isn't enough though. You need to take action on an opportunity and then have the commitment to finish your action. There is a lot more to success than just thinking positive about a desire you want... you've got to find a reason WHY you want to move your life that direction. Not just any WHY, but one that is inspiring enough to make you fully commit to it.

                Then you've got to realize the only way that desire will come is if you build towards it each day with positive actionable steps. I have personally made my entire workload habitual.

                Two days ago I started a report and in less than 24 hours it was complete, all because of the system I use for achievement. LOL to be honest, the book was the step process I used to actually write the book. I call it "The Last 7 Step Process You'll Ever Have To Read" and I believe it is the definitive report for explaining a true success process for any area of life.
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                • Profile picture of the author Tara Springett
                  I've been using the law of attraction techniques for 25 years and I can honestly say that everything good in my life - my house, my marriage, my emotional mood, my health, my career - is due to applying these techniques.
                  So, I can say it definitely works.

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                law of attraction only works for girls
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              • Profile picture of the author JerryJerry
                The LOA definitely works! What tends to get in the way is the fact that there are several building excercises necessary to achieve a state of mind where you can properly focus on what it is you want to achieve. Being able to control your mind and the thoughts that run through it is paramount to success and by not connecting the Concious Mind to the Vagus and then to the Solar Plexus (the Subconcious Mind), you leave yourself open to inconsistent results becuase there is a lack of understanding on the individual's part as to how the whole process works. your Solar Plexus needs to be emitting the correct energy to attract what it is one wants or desires. Action is definitely an integral part of the process(obviously nothing gets done without it!) and each decision we make is one choice out of an infinite number of parallel universes that we all inhabit simultaneously. The LOA won't work for everyone because not everyone has all the parts lined up to make it happen....
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              • Profile picture of the author sundown16
                ....you have to change your paradigms
                blocking out negative emotions replacing them only
                positive vibrations and the repetition of these exercises
                will change the paradigms ...thus change your results!
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            • Profile picture of the author Chrissy Smith
              Hi, I am probably one of the most experience person to answer this guestion for you. And I hope if you need me you will reach out. First of, I am not a life coach (not sure I believe in it - depends what they are offering). If you don't mind I would like to shed some scientific facts on this subject. No hype!

              The Law of Attraction and Affirmations cannot possibly work for you when you do not have congruent thinking between your subconscious internal chatter and your conscious talking. The conscious part of your mind is only 10% accountable for you life. 90% of your mind is the subconscious! Who do you think will always win? yes of course your subconscious! So what happens when
              you are saying your affirmations over and over and over again - which internally
              you do not believe that it is POSSIBLE FOR YOU. Your subconscious is also repeating it's negative chatter over and over again.. So you are defeating yourself.

              The first step is always in changing your internal beliefs and internal language patterns so that you can be congruent. What you have most likely is a sabotage pattern of unworthiness, etc that was set up in your subconscious when you were a child. Every internal rule, etc in every person was in place by the time the Critical Factor was developed at the age of 6. So what you have inside are the rules and beliefs of a 6 year old child as he saw the world.
              There is no blame casting on any parents, teachers, etc. That is a waste of time and will keep you stuck.

              First and foremost find out what your subconscious chatter is. That would be a great first step.. Too many people get stuck in years and years of therapy...for what? to blame someone?/ Nah, find out the WHAT you are saying to yourself and move on to changing it.

              BTW: Positive thinking is good and it will make things easier for you in life. More on that later if you would like
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    • Profile picture of the author PLR Basket
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Hey, Chris Moore...
      I noticed the thread you started on this topic a few days got removed. Your premise was that it's stupid to even try and control your thoughts and that people should simply give in to them. Really?

      Controlling our thoughts and not giving in to them is what separates humans from animals. Not controling your thoughts changes things. It often turns regular folks into convicts. How? Because people who accept your advice and give in to their thoughts are people who rob, rape, have sex with children... The list is endless. You get the idea.
      I never said that and I never used the word stupid. And the thread is still alive and well by the way:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...esnt-work.html

      All I said is that you should try to accept your thoughts rather than try to control them. That doesn't mean that you should give in to each and every impulse you have.

      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      What's interesting here is, you're right in the middle of actually demonstrating the LOA. You certainly have the right to believe what you want. But accept it or not, it works. Here's what I mean by you actually demonstrating the law:

      Cause trouble, attract trouble. Act like a troll, get treated like a troll. Continue to violate the rules of the forum, get booted from the forum. See, the LOA is simply the law of cause and effect. Good luck.
      I don't know if disagreeing with your beliefs goes against the forum's rules, but defamation certainly does.
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  • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
    Your perfectly entitled to your opinion...but I can say LOA was worked a lot for me. Fundementally as the old saying goes 'you get what you focus on'...

    If you don't believe that it doesn't work, well you have proved yourself right.
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  • Profile picture of the author grin
    I have been using the law of "attraction" for quite awhile and it works fine. For one thing, it's a law - not a device. What that ought to mean to anyone is that it does not DO anything, it just is. Trying to figure out the logic of it will decay any event. It's simple as anything can be, however, the moment you question it it therefore becomes exponentially complex to understand. That has a bunch to do with the fact you are questioning a law of non-questioning. If you are focused on questions then questions you will get and more and more of them. That is actually a great thing, but not for anyone seeking instant gratification.

    The movie "the secret" does not explain as much as they possibly should. Having been around IM and similar marketing strategies - you should also recognize some of the biggest internet marketers in that industry on that movie. As for the actual LOA?

    I would suggest reading the real source first before you try to wish cancer away. It says in great detail and with little doubt that all things come from the sun.....DO NOT SKIP THAT DETAIL like millions of others have.

    Is there an energy and intelligence to the cosmos? I really truly believe that, and it seems that no matter what, it is always there providing for me. No matter what, despite passions and logic - I am not constantly appreciative of that. Not because a DVD explained it, and not because of the oldest books known to man have explained it to me. I appreciate my place in the universe and everything that has been afforded to me because its all just so amazing - from the outer dark voids of space to an ant sitting on a daisy - it's unimaginable how amazing this whole world is.

    All sorts of people will talk about how much money or other vanities they have acquired seemingly out of nowhere. And I did, but I have to say that studying the laws has shown me things I can't even explain - but I can tell you they are right in front of your face all the time but very difficult to see without appreciation of these things and where they came from.

    The greatest trick of it all is that you really can't just explain it to anyone. So many years later, I would completely agree with that as well. I would love to list out a series of miracles and then see people benefit like I have; but that would in reality be really creepy and lame - a sort of carbon copying of my life with no appreciation for others. If someone copies me, it's just not worth it. However, if you figure it out yourself its mind blowing, just like a riddle. If that means you think it does not work, and want to live your life like that then that is actually perfect. That is how this universe works above all else. Asking the questions at least you will find your own way, and that is all that matters.
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  • Profile picture of the author tgo
    This is an awesome thread. I have read and studied alot in this as well, and there is some great info in here.
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  • Profile picture of the author BasilInc.
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  • Profile picture of the author sylviad
    The common responses to your title are that "you aren't doing it right" and that "you are always attracting, whether you mean to or not".

    What you have now, the lifestyle you see around you, is what you are attracting. If it's all good, then you're probably doing it right. If it's not, or you want something more, then you are not doing it right.

    Have you ever heard of people who complain that bad things always happen to them? That's because they attract bad things by their attitude and what they think about most of the time. They "believe" that bad things will happen, because they always do.

    The same applies if you are constantly negative. This is my challenge to overcome, and I must say that while studying the Law of Attraction, I saw an amazing transition. Whenever negative thoughts ran in my head, I immediately exchanged them for positive ones. For a short while at least, it happened quite naturally. I felt so much better.

    At that time, I wanted (needed) money and through the exercises, I suddenly saw over $1300 come through my door over a 1-week period.

    But then, I stopped the exercises and lessons and everything went back to normal. Negative stuff happening, no money coming in, just bills that I couldn't pay. This is what I started attracting again.

    It IS hard work to attract the right things into your life, but you cannot say it NEVER works because it is working right this instant. If you don't like what you see, you'll need to work at changing it by adjusting your vibrations so that they are aligned with the aspect of the Universe that will bring you those changes.

    Maybe you just need to practice more or find a better teacher.

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    Whether you think you're right or wrong, you're probably right.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vortex Creator
    "The Secret" was entirely based on the work of the Hicks Family (Abraham Hicks). I don't know if you are familiar with their work but for me it's the most brilliant explanation of creation and because the creators (Rhonda Byrne) of "The Secret" had the vibration of "secret" so active in "The Secret" it still is a "secret" for millions of people how deliberate creation really works. Now many believe it's a fad because "If it really works...then where's my stuff???"

    You can't just say "Today, I'm going to apply the laws of the universe in my life" - They apply themselves ALL DAY - EVERY DAY to you!
    Have you noticed:
    *You ALWAYS get what you expect - NEVER what you want
    *People you love almost ALWAYS love you equally back
    *When you are confident you are better than most anybody else because you KNOW
    *The things you suck at you only suck at because you tell yourself you suck at them

    You get what you think about - whether you want it or not

    I'm now in the process of going into Ramtha's (was also in "What the bleep do we (k)now?") work - it goes even deeper. He tells his students to make a list of 10 things they want and he shows them how to manifest them - and then they make a new list. It's all about your LEVEL OF ALLOWANCE. What you want is already done most of the time - all you need to do is "let it in".
    The deepest teaching is: You are God in Physical Form and There is Nothing that You cannot Be, Do or Have Want it. Allow it. And it is.

    So be it.
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    • Profile picture of the author marian67
      Originally Posted by Phill_cH View Post

      "The Secret" was entirely based on the work of the Hicks Family (Abraham Hicks). I don't know if you are familiar with their work but for me it's the most brilliant explanation of creation and because the creators (Rhonda Byrne) of "The Secret" had the vibration of "secret" so active in "The Secret" it still is a "secret" for millions of people how deliberate creation really works. Now many believe it's a fad because "If it really works...then where's my stuff???"

      You can't just say "Today, I'm going to apply the laws of the universe in my life" - They apply themselves ALL DAY - EVERY DAY to you!
      Have you noticed:
      *You ALWAYS get what you expect - NEVER what you want
      *People you love almost ALWAYS love you equally back
      *When you are confident you are better than most anybody else because you KNOW
      *The things you suck at you only suck at because you tell yourself you suck at them

      You get what you think about - whether you want it or not

      I'm now in the process of going into Ramtha's (was also in "What the bleep do we (k)now?") work - it goes even deeper. He tells his students to make a list of 10 things they want and he shows them how to manifest them - and then they make a new list. It's all about your LEVEL OF ALLOWANCE. What you want is already done most of the time - all you need to do is "let it in".
      The deepest teaching is: You are God in Physical Form and There is Nothing that You cannot Be, Do or Have Want it. Allow it. And it is.

      So be it.
      Phill

      Phil,

      Well said. I have been studying the Law Of Attraction for 25 years now and I am also a fan of Ester and Jerry Hicks. I have referred so many of my friends to watch the videos in hopes of them making better changes in there lives. The tricky part of all of this LOA is you can't look at your situation as it is and expect it to change. You have to believe, act as if, live like you already have it then it is done it is already coming to you. It does take time and practice and people can not make positive changes if they are still telling their negative stories. For example if you need a job and all you do is talk to everyone about how you do not have one or you can't find one then this is holding you exactly where you do not want to be, without a job. On the other hand if you say, and believe there are many jobs I can do and they are being offered to me right now then you can see the difference,right? Like I said people put so much thought and energy into what they don't want that they get more of the same. Ask,believe,receive sounds simple right? But the believe part takes practice. Another trick is you must be in a state of gratitude all the time. I know as humans this is quite difficult but as soon as the negative thoughts try and creep in we are supposed to replace with positive thoughts. Well I could go on and on so I will stop now but just wanted to say thanks for the info on Ramtha's work I will definitely look into it.

      Marian
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    Every day I do several things in my work. I see them all as things that will be beneficial to my business or I wouldn't waste my time doing them.

    75% of the time they do benefit my business and 25% of the time they don't. I "saw" them all as being successful so it seems to me that the law of attraction is kind of selective.

    The fact is that the law of attraction has nothing to do with my success. I'm successful because I work, work, work and while some of the things I do fail, others succeed. It's my actions that result in my "attracting" success, not any mystical law. In other words, I'm "achieving" success, not "attracting" it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vortex Creator
      Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

      Every day I do several things in my work. I see them all as things that will be beneficial to my business or I wouldn't waste my time doing them.

      75% of the time they do benefit my business and 25% of the time they don't. I "saw" them all as being successful so it seems to me that the law of attraction is kind of selective.

      The fact is that the law of attraction has nothing to do with my success. I'm successful because I work, work, work and while some of the things I do fail, others succeed. It's my actions that result in my "attracting" success, not any mystical law. In other words, I'm "achieving" success, not "attracting" it.
      Struggle More Please!
      You never created anything - it's an illusion. You help create it but what REALLY creates it is the life force that is flowing through you. It's the same with our thoughts: we think that the thoughts we entertain are 'our' thoughts so it would be appropriate to say that it was 'my idea' but in fact it was life manifesting through you & you simply allowing the success which is natural to you to manifest through you.

      Look at life & learn: Spring came this year & it was as beautiful if not more as every year and all life did was dream it into existance. The trees & the flowers dreamed the dream of spring and there it was - and none of them are arguing that they 'achieved' spring or that they made it happen even though they're doing the same thing you're doing (if not better): creating

      It's the natural consequence of us flowing thought energy

      The real purpose of our existance is to SEEK JOY
      It's not the toys
      Or the difference you make in people's lifes
      Or the perfect body, job, relationship

      Its selfishly aligning with source energy and in that process uplifting everyone you come into contact with, manifesting every desire you have, become brilliant in your chosen field & be the person you were born to be - a frisky creator

      That's what Abraham Hicks (The Source of "The Secret") teach us & I couldn't agree more because I'm HAPPIER THAN EVER!!! <3
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      • Profile picture of the author Rick B
        Originally Posted by Phill_cH View Post

        The trees & the flowers dreamed the dream of spring and there it was - and none of them are arguing that they 'achieved' spring or that they made it happen even though they're doing the same thing you're doing (if not better): creating
        Wow! I never had thoughts like that even in my younger boozing years! The flowers dream, huh? And they dreamed the dream of Spring and Spring mystically appeared. You really have to respect those flowers for not claiming that they achieved Spring! They're very modest flowers!

        Oh boy!
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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          Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

          Wow! I never had thoughts like that even in my younger boozing years! The flowers dream, huh? And they dreamed the dream of Spring and Spring mystically appeared. You really have to respect those flowers for not claiming that they achieved Spring! They're very modest flowers!

          Oh boy!
          (Haha) Maybe magic mushrooms dreamt their way into Phill's life as well. (Sorry Phill ¾ You have some great points ¾ just don't act like a “know-it-all.”)
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          • Profile picture of the author Vortex Creator
            Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

            Wow! I never had thoughts like that even in my younger boozing years! The flowers dream, huh? And they dreamed the dream of Spring and Spring mystically appeared. You really have to respect those flowers for not claiming that they achieved Spring! They're very modest flowers!

            Oh boy!
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            (Haha) Maybe magic mushrooms dreamt their way into Phill's life as well. (Sorry Phill ¾ You have some great points ¾ just don't act like a "know-it-all.")
            I simply have the arrogance to stand 10 feet above mediocre man.

            What makes life continue into forever? Focused thought energy (dream).
            What makes life end in the grave? Focused action energy (reality).

            Choose.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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              Originally Posted by Phill_cH View Post

              I simply have the arrogance to stand 10 feet above mediocre man.
              That's Mr Mediocre man to you.

              ;-)

              What makes life continue into forever? Focused thought energy (dream).
              What makes life end in the grave? Focused action energy (reality).

              Choose.
              Well - it's an interesting thought. I'm not sure if I agree with it 100% though. Sometimes I think it's good to keep an open mind about these kind of things.
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    • Profile picture of the author marian67
      Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

      Every day I do several things in my work. I see them all as things that will be beneficial to my business or I wouldn't waste my time doing them.

      75% of the time they do benefit my business and 25% of the time they don't. I "saw" them all as being successful so it seems to me that the law of attraction is kind of selective.

      The fact is that the law of attraction has nothing to do with my success. I'm successful because I work, work, work and while some of the things I do fail, others succeed. It's my actions that result in my "attracting" success, not any mystical law. In other words, I'm "achieving" success, not "attracting" it.
      Hello Rick,

      Wether you believe it or not you are attracting my friend. You said "I see them all as things that will be beneficial to my business" and this is you attracting. And the fact that some things weren't all benificial does not mean anything. Sometimes we need to see what doesn't work to see what does so there are a mix of things thrown in there. And maybe there were things beneficial to those things that didn't work that taught you something you needed to know. We are constantly asking for what we want and we are also receiving what we believe we should have or are attracting to us. it sounds like your belief in work,work,work will bring you what you are asking for and it is done.

      Marian
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  • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
    I think there is something to be said for having a positive attitude and focusing on your goal, for sure.

    But there are other factors at work as well.

    For example if you want to be the world's greatest piano player and you have very short fingers, it's doubtful you'll succeed in that goal. If you really really want to be a great pianist though and put in all the study and work you need, and you have short fingers, you may still become a GREAT piano player. But the best? Doubtful. That's just one example.

    I have known people who belong to a cultish religious sect who believe that by putting a particular piece of paper on their wall in a special place and chanting to it every day, they will succeed in all things including material wealth. I think this is complete b.s. and simple superstition.

    Now if they are motivating themselves by chanting in that it helps keep them focused on their goal and that then helps motivate them to do the work necessary, then, okay, it had an effect that "works". But chanting in and of itself is not going to "work".

    I also think that focusing on monetary success for yourself will seldom lead to "happiness". Happiness is not found in money or material success. Period.

    I think the LOA works to a point, and to the extent that it keeps you focused on doing what you need to do and keeping a positive attitude. Other than that it's not "voodoo", it's just focusing on what you need to do and attracting people to you by being a positive and good person who wants to help others. I did not watch the video Fred1 posted yet but will reply more after I watch it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrckc
    The Law of attraction is not only about your thought about a situation. Its also and possible more about your actual attitude when you deal with people on a daily basis. You can have a positive and uplifting attitude or you can have a negative/neutral attitude.
    The law of attraction is really a way of life, its more physical than spiritual to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author shabbira38
    i didn't try this before thanks for sharing.i'll try it.
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  • Profile picture of the author donnarn
    the LOA has worked for me all my life when I used it. I understood it at a younger age but didn't understand it. Now that I am older and read and saw The Secret I understand it now. The things we have to do to grow up is so simple its difficult.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxinez
    LOA worked for me. The trick is to start small, do one experiment and prove that it works!
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  • Profile picture of the author FeatherTouchMarketings
    Law of Attraction is as Universal as Law of Gravity, LOA is working for each one of us.

    It starts the day you attained Conciousness, as it enables you to Attract.

    I have seen many people making false/immature impression about the power of LOA, just because they have not understood the concept, one should.

    All see Law of attraction as a tool to get them rid of their problems and they loose the whole Understanding of this Wonderful Law.

    You can read more about it @

    Law of Attraction Forum

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  • Profile picture of the author Natmore
    That's the thing.
    LOA is ALWAYS working. For everyone.

    But what you are saying is that it's not working to get you the things you want. But it is responding to your primary vibration.

    It responds to our daily thoughts and even if you believe in Loa, it doesn't mean necessarily that you will be able to use in your favor instantly.

    It takes time and effort to train our thoughts and work in our vibration.

    The reality is, believing or not, it's working.
    You are receiving what you are "putting out there".
    But if you want to work in your favor, you have to work on changing what kind of believes, thoughts and vibration you are offering.

    It's simple, but not easy.
    But in all means, it WORTHY it!
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  • Profile picture of the author NoviIM
    The Secret was a well produced fairy tale in my opinion.

    While I agree that you need to keep and think positive in your daily life. Fact of the matte is by thinking those things will not help you achieve success.

    You actually need to put in work and make your dreams come to a reality.
    Now, a combination of positive thinking, a clear goal in my mind, and consistent work will get you to the top!

    Hope all is well!

    Yury



    Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

    Yep, as goes the title, it hasn't really worked for me till date. When I first watched 'The Secret', it really struck a chord with me

    The sheer effect it had on my perspective is something I deeply respect. I have been a positive person since I was a little child and he LOA has only made me more positive.

    But, here's the shocker, I don't BELIEVE it.

    I liked how The Secret put it but the part where they talked about health and politics made me throw the idea out the window, so to speak.

    That's not to say anyone who believes in it is wrong.

    There was a thread on this forum months (probably over an year) ago that LOA is all about positivity and I agree with that - it's not any kind of voodoo in my opinion.

    Has the LOA worked for you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
    That shouldn't be a shocker. It IS a sign of reasonable intelligence and wisdom on your part.

    Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

    But, here's the shocker, I don't BELIEVE it.
    As I stated in another post, if "it" requires belief to work, "it's" not a law. It's hocus-pocus. Often BS covered hocus-pocus.

    "Laws" work without your consideration or consideration of you. Think gravity, chemistry, thermodynamics, you get the idea.

    Just because someone has created a catchy slogan using the word "law" doesn't make it a law.

    Using the word "law" is a better, though less accurate approach to marketing.

    And really, real laws don't need the word "law" to identify them. The law of gravity, or just gravity. Same thing.

    At any rate, I do compliment you on staying with the facts.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jkhurramov
    Remember they say in 'The Secret' 'Believe or not it simply works'?
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    W. Clement Stone said; Whatever the mind of man can conceive and believe, it can achieve.

    Henry Ford said; If you believe you can you are right, and if you believe you can't, you are right.

    Your mind controls everything. Nothing happens until you think it first. (I am not so sure that your mind isn't telling your heart to beat)

    You say you don't believe it, so why would you expect it to work for you? It will work if you work it. It isn't always easy, but then what is that is worth anything?
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  • Profile picture of the author emmndi
    A great read. Left me wondering what I really beleive in!
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    • Profile picture of the author matark
      Many people more eloquent than me have covered lots of good ground in the comments above. Here's my slightly different point of view.

      First of all, you need a spark or catalyst to help you get started on some new endeavor.

      Some people call this inspiration, some people call it a goal.

      For me, it is often a story that resonates with me that causes an "interest" to turn into a "passion."

      Problem is, so far, for the most part, my "passions" seem to have been like hobbies, and rather short-lived ones at that.

      But at least I've had a nice string of successes in a variety of things that have enriched my life.

      Sorry for speaking in generalities here, but to even give an overview of one such "project" would get me started on enumerating way too many details than necessary to prove the point.

      Maybe I need "life coaching" on how to stick with something with single-minded focus for a long time.

      In college, my room-mate and I nick-named each other "Eclectic Dilettante" and "Esoteric Philosoph." We went back and forth about who was which.
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      • Profile picture of the author matark
        Originally Posted by matark View Post

        First of all, you need a spark or catalyst to help you get started on some new endeavor.
        Secondly, you need to find/make the situation or environment in which you can succeed.

        For instance, lets say you are a single person who wants to meet a life partner. The first thing to do obviously is work on making yourself attractive (more than just physical). But the second thing in this case, is getting yourself "out there" to meet people.

        Not just anywhere "out there" but specifically a place where the right kind of person is, preferably in large quantities.

        Allow me to share an example that changed my life. I was lucky enough to live in Los Angeles, so quantity was not a problem, but finding the type of activity that filtered in the right kind of people was a challenge.

        For me, the breakthrough came slowly, after I became interested in Swing dancing, liked the kind of people I saw doing it, then realized one could take classes to learn it, and join them.

        This allowed me to break through the barrier of, "I'm not spontaneous enough to dance."

        Long story short, within a year or so of getting comfortable on the dance floor, I gained the confidence to begin asking girls out and going on dates. Another year or so later, and I was happily married at age 32.
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          Another thing to take into account, is other laws.

          The universe may want to put you through a lot of hardship, maybe even enough to get you to the end of your rope several times.

          In one way this is good, because it makes you grow up quickly, but it also can make you dismiss the "Secret" as being a bit iffy?

          I have been through a lot over the last few years, but still visualize my goals every day, and have a plan to achieve it.

          Even though in some ways things seem to be going from bad to worse, and improving in others.

          I suppose that what l am saying that if you want a BMW convertible, and you have your second hand car stolen, and destroyed in the meantime without anyone showing up, to make it better.

          You start doubting the secret thing. Eventhough the law of karma is working separately to the law of attraction. Although at other times it works in sink, with it.

          As someone said before its working through the hard times, and keeping the belief that somehow certain goals will appear eventually, eventhough your belief system is getting worn away, that separates the successful from the mediocre!

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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    LOA is simple. It does work and I have tried it many times.

    But the real thing about it is it will only work if you belive it will work for you! LOL.

    Sounds silly but funny how it never works for the skeptics.

    I do no think scientits have truely tapped into the power of our minds.

    And they do only say we use 10% of our brain power.
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  • Profile picture of the author jkuhry
    The law of attraction seems to work for me pretty good... but you really have to be productive to see this happen. You have to knock on every door and dont miss any on the way.. The door you miss might be worth a million.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ephrils
    I had a longer response, but this oughtta do it.

    Luke: "I don't believe it!"
    Yoda: "That is why you fail."

    Combined with a simple Intense Want, Desire, and Drive to make it happen. How much do you really want it?
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