The Law of Attraction does not Work.

It can because its content orientates metaphysics. And since metaphysics is a philosophical invention with no connection to real physics, either quantum or classical, Rhonda Byrne can pretty much say whatever she wants and there is no scientific way to respond to it.

That would have been a good call. Judging by your comments, I'm guessing you're not generally healthier or wealthier than anybody else after what you've read, in fact you're probably poorer by the price of the book you've bought that's referenced you the law you speak of.

Just count yourself lucky Rhonda Byrne doesn't also sell WSOs.

I am 43, and I have known about the law of attraction since I was a boy. My old man gave me a book about it when I was like 13 or so (my memory falters...boy I'm getting old). It works big time, at least for me.

But I don't approach any book/guru with the idea of throwing away principles that I've had ingrained in me since I was a child. Why would anyone not want to work!! I have used it to accelerate how fast I get some stuff. The last time I did it, it worked so fast, it was almost uncanny. And it works all the time. You used it, even in the post you wrote above -

I like the saying "when you pray, move your feet".

It does all work, but you gotta put in a lot of effort!

Modern science tells us that energy flows where attention goes, which is the energetic principle underpinning the law of attraction.

Most people missed the other half of the equation. The law of attraction rarely works if you just thing positive thoughts. The second half of the law of attraction tells us that the answer is hidden in plain sight:

In order to attract, you have to take action. Attract+action=Attraction

We were talking about this in a group last night and the bottom line is a combination of attitude, gratitude and workatude dude. I see it happen all the time. It is always in addition to what I do, not just what I think. The other day I had a list on my desk for my business. I knew there wasn't time in the day to complete it all myself. I focused on the one job I love, my writing. I was in a really good frame of mind for doing more work after that. Later that day I went to the store and the rest of my list got completed, because I attracted the people into my area who offered to give me everything I needed on my work list. I had never met any of them before.

I am not trying to debunk anyonebody here, or what they believe. I am talking about things being brought here. If we are to work for what we want in life, and set goals; then what is the point of "thinking" they are being brought to you? For example, the anything could be explained by coincidence. Yes, if I have a type of car in my mind, and think about it all the time, my mind naturally will be attracted to different strategies and ways of getting it.

A lot of you people are claiming that it works but not giving any specific stories that show actual proof. Most of what you said can clearly be explained by circumstance and your own efforts put fourth into the world. I do not believe sitting around thinking positive thoughts consequently allows other positive thoughts to be brought back onto you. If I go around thinking "love" in my mind, it will not get the general public to "Love" me back. But if I tell myself I will have an upbeat, positive attitude toward the population, ne more out-going and talktive, I will recieve it back. Here is another prime example. I was focusing completely on the Law of attraction during a time I obtained a job. I was focusing directly on my goals and qwhat I wanted outof life through mediation everyday. When I got a job, I contributed it to the LOA and lied to myself, saying "Effort" was not needed. I began to live on this plane of less effort, and more visualization. - Indeed money came in, as I worked long hours, but instead of focusing on my job and work more, I focused on goals. I also started to get picked on a little bit by co-workers for no reason. Instead of focusing on defending myself, I focused on my goals and visualization. The result? - Things only got worse. People kept pickign on me at the job, and I wasn't progressing. Did I bring those circumstances into my job? did I bring co-workers into my life to pick on me? These things need to be examined.

Either way, I still have to put fourth the effort in
1.) Earning the money to buy the car.
2.) Searching out the Car online, or through a Sale or auction.
3.) Purchasing the Car.

I am going to be practical and realistic with myself. I have also decided to try out an experiment of visualization. I am going to give it one last try. I am going to visualize a very specific occurence in my life, a scene, repeatedly. I am going to do this every night and give it an honest try. The rest of my visualization will be devoted to strategy and planning. But this ONE thing, I am going to just visualize it for the mere feeling. If this one thing does not come true, of if a path to get there does not happen, I am going to go back ot my regular way of thinking; entirely, which is

1.) Goal
2.) Knowledge.
3.) Strategy/Planning
4.) Application. - That seems to be the only thing that works in life for me.

Again I am not telling you guys to stop believing in the power of LOA, if it makes you a better person or positive person, I am just saying for me, it seems like it encourages to avoid reality and create your own. Hypothetically if my house was being flooded, or I was under attack, or something where to happen that altereted the safety of my life, what would be ideal? Visualize my house not being flooded, or begin to plan out a way to build a make-shift boat? Visualize my home being safe? OR figuring out a self defense mechanism to defend against a would-be attacker.

I understand a lot of these metaphysical books claim we create our own realities and supposed catastrophes, but I honestly don't think the human species has evolved through 100's of years by not suffering first consequences. Ancestors would be bitten and poisoned by spiders and snakes, giving us the ability to identify which ones are dangerous and to avoid.

Hailstorms and hurricanes would occur, giving our capacity and thinking brain the ability to develop stronger homes and foundations. The need to go out, gather, and hunt food was necesasry for survival. We couldn't attract "Fruit" to grow, or animals to come kneel down before us and be slain. We had to do the slaying, cooking, gathering, building and all of these things through 100's of years that has built us to the society that we are today.

The only way I met women, were when I went out, flirted, dated, and charmed. I never "attracted" them to me, and relations ensued. Everything from big or small takes effort. Do I sound retarded here for thining the notion of LOA is completely a farce? I would truly love to believe that; and I am sure so would the linemen who work for the power company, that make so much money..... at the price of risking being shocked by 80,000 watts of Electricity at any given time.

The question of thngs being brought to you for me, stems merely at the fact that in this universe and world, only effort is rewarded. Only a highly trained doctor is rewarded large sums of money for his years of medical study, and practice. An expert in the ways of finance makes gains for his knowledge of economic factors and investment, and his long hours in application of his knowledge, executng his own "gambles" and reaping the rerwards, and somtimes losing.

TO me, the importance of "playing the game" of life can't be stressed, and by playing I mean work and effort. AM I crazy for thinking this? Or are th LOA supporters crazy for thinking the avenues can be attracted to you like a ripe fruit, and all you have to do is pick it? In Think and Grow Rich Napolean Hill stresses strategy, goal setting, and having a plan. More practical I would say.

darkwoods, IMHO, everything you are posting is a great example of exactly how the Law of Attraction is working for you.

You attract exactly that which you believe you will attract. Your life is a perfect example of how everything works with your world view and belief system.

I always did think it was funny that Rhonda Byrnes called the movie and book "The Secret" because it has been written about for centuries and it was always stated that if this was ever divulged to the populace, it would still remain "unknown" to them.

So "the secret" is still a secret to most, even those who have read all about it.

Again, imho.

Edit: BTW, no where does is say that action is not required.

I think the law of attraction sets you up for a more positive attitude.I have had success following the concepts behind the Secret. It really comes down to how positive thinking plays a role in one's life. If anything it gets you away from negative thinking which caused me so much more grief in life than positive thinking ever did. Negative thinking breed indecisiveness,hurts relationships since people don't want to be around you,and I things are always seeming to get worse.


I'm actually a Christian,and I don't want to preach to or offend anybody(other religions or atheists) by mentioning it,but being a spiritual person makes me more of a positive person.I know from personal experience positive thinking does work.You do have to try and take action,you can't just do nothing and expect positive results by just thinking things are going to happen by sitting around.I believe there is some truth in the saying "God helps those who help themselves

One of my stories as to why Positive thinking works is this:I was out of work for over a year after getting laid off from a job making less than $40,000 a year. I was applying all over the place,getting interviews,paid good money to have my resume redone,had a family friend in management promise me a job and still absolutely nothing. I won't go into too detailed specifics but I eventually received a job that some months pays me over 3 times what my last job did.I may work mega overtime some months,but this job is far better than not having one at all. Whats even more to this is that it was a job I hadn't applied to for almost exactly two years!

The day I got the call I was visualizing all the reasons why I deserve not only a job but a great job.I was comparing myself to a former coworker that has some serious character flaws,but was promoted twice while I was laid off.I knew I deserved better than he did! I won't go much into the religious aspect of this,but this was also the first time I prayed in months.After I finished praying I had so much confidence that I had never felt before that i was going to get a job,all despair and hopelessness went completely out the window.

I got the call to work about 4 hours after I finished praying and I believe that prayer to God and my positive thinking helped me get this job. Now those who don't believe in God should at least look into the positive thinking side of my story.Some people may say that the Law of Attraction is not compatible with Christianity,but I believe that either God allows this law to happen or its God working directly himself in the matter. Call me naive,idiot,or fool,but I have had enough experiences happen that I can't just chalk to coincidences anymore.

I have also had a lot of good things come my way,and I didn't take advantage of these because of a negative mindset. I think a lot of people have a lot of favorable opportunities that come their way in life but they pass on them because they don't fully believe in themselves,or doubt the opportunity until its too late. I don't usually share to many personal things to strangers on the net,but hopefully this will encourage somebody on here to either drop their negative thinking or to stay positive.

Still the law of attraction is a great motivator... It gives hope to a lot of people...Positive thinking works all the time...

There is no one strategy that will work for everyone it seems.

Let's put it another way... what you focus on, expands.

There's a bitter quality to your posts. Focusing on failure, even resentment at those who've succeeded. The Law of Attraction - like attracting like - only manifests anything of benefit if you align your actions with your intentions, without lust of result. Lust of result? The ego's desires that get in the way, the attachment to the outcome. Attachment to the outcome - what if the outcome is feeding myself? I will say YES I AM ATTACHED TO THE OUTCOME OF FEEDING MYSELF. I'm also allowed to be a smartass.

Considering I live in the States and above the poverty line, I have no fear of it. Yes, I need food to live. I'm also sure that I will eat again tomorrow, as I am that the sun will rise another day.

Why the food example? It's a part of nature. On the other hand, earning a lot of money (notice I didn't say "make" - EARNING a lot of money) or generally being successful at doing what you love, might not be so second-nature. That's where mindset training comes in, especially if you grew up with negativity or had some pretty traumatic events in your life. Can they be overcome? Short answer: YES.

Can you overcome negative thought patterns by sitting around, wishing? No... you do have to have the action. However, you haven't mentioned the converse: Plenty of action, but wishing life were somehow different.

Every decision you've ever made has led you here. Even if one little thing were different, we would not be having this conversation. How do you change the quality of your decisions to avoid self-sabotage? Changing your thinking. It's an Act of Will to do so. Every time you have a thought, you - unconsciously - seek to manifest it through your actions.

I don't know what your background is. I don't know what you've been from, what your family was like, nothing. But your own success, begins in the mind. Right now, it sounds like your mind (and your life) need a MASSIVE overhaul. You can't attract anything worthwhile into your life unless you know your Intent - not only what it is you ultimately *want* to do, but what you know is your TRUE calling.

Exercise for you... ask yourself this question, in meditation. Do NOT try to force an answer, whatsoever. Don't overanalyze it, just keep repeating it to yourself:

What. Is. Your. INTENT?

I've always found these metaphysical beliefs interesting.

On the one hand, they are completely unfalsifiable. Even if you tell someone you've done EVERYTHING you were supposed to with no measureable result, there's always some little "hiccup" that you SHOULD have done that would have made everything different.

That's not to say that you can't learn anything from them. Hell, you can learn lots from anything if you keep your lids peeled.

On the other hand, positive thinking, problem solving, organization, goal setting - these LOA style products by their nature must contain these elements. These elements certainly promote success, but aren't required if you're honest.

The only actual requirement for success is action. Even winning the lotto requires you to buy a ticket.

The BEST advice for success is also the simplest of affirmations:

"I will do what you won't today so I can do what you can't tomorrow."

Note this has little to do with unproveable and unreliable metaphysics and EVERYTHING to do with doing what others don't want to in order to achieve what they haven't.

I've recently started reading "Willpower: Rediscovering the Greatest Human Strength", which promises to explain scientifically-tested ways to strengthen your willpower. Near the beginning, it has had some interesting things to say about the history of the self-development field.

It suggested that books like "Think and Grow Rich" helped people who already had strong wills. What the book provided to its readers was insight about themselves. When they visualized what they truly wanted, they had the willpower to go get it.

So you get many people singing praises of "Think and Grow Rich", because it solved their particular problem. Unfortunately, it's not the answer for everyone.

The Stanford marshmallow experiment suggests that how successful a child will be in life is largely determined by their ability to delay gratification. Children were offered a marshmallow with the promise of a 2nd if they could resist eating the first for a period of time. When they grew up, those that resisted were richer, happier, and all the rest.

The Willpower book suggests willpower is like a muscle. It can be strengthened by using it. If you use it too much it becomes fatigued. If you don't use it at all, it becomes weak.

Visualization --> Motivation --> Application --> into your REALIZATION...
(if you don't get your result after Application) --> redirection--> Application -->
your REALIZATION... The question is when do you give up? this formula will work if you stick with it. Good Luck

I watched the movie the Secret, sat on my couch, cracked open a beer, and wished for a big pile of money to fall in my lap. I thought about it really hard while I sat there. I am still waiting and wishing, I think the LOA is BS.

I think law of attraction does work, if applied properly. But you have to look at it realistically. It is no magic, it merely programs your subconscious mind and help you cultivate an intense desire for your goals, which is the single most important attribute to get what you want.

Synical but realistic post.

Hey Darkwoods, Sorry you're so down and out (or seem to be). What's your plan now that you've come to this thought that you can't attract what you want into your life? Forget about your dreams and give up? I hope not...

My friend always pokes at me because I tell him I use the secret. The truth is you're right and the secret doesn't go into full detail. It tells you 'think awesome and you will be.'

Anyway, I use SOGR in a sense of I will make it happen if I think about it and then ACT. I will most likely 'fail' for 5 or ten years before I get it right but i'll never stop trying. People I know that live, think and act this way can't comprehend it working any other way. I hope you find yours!

Jeff

The real story is that positive intentions ONLY work if you already OK in that area. So they only work if you don't need them much, and are guaranteed to fail if you really need them.

This is due to Reversal. Everything in the physical-universe decays, and that includes your own Goals. So, after a while, a particular Goal might have fallen down the decay scale to the point where it is Reversed, ie. you will get the exact opposite of whatever you ask for using that Goal.

Energy-workers are very familiar with this phenomenon of Reversal. Learn EFT, and you will learn how Reversal works, and how to temporarily undo it so that the rest of the process works. If you are sensitive, you can definitely learn how to "feel" if a particular Goal (or Meridien) is Reversed or not.

So, if you want to use the real law of attraction (which all those writing books that make millions even though what they tell you is incorrect), learn and use EFT, which handles Reversals.


Chris

Hey it works for some, not for others, it didn't do a great deal for me until I was matching my intention/ image with repeated action. You can't just focus on receiving a million dollars, you got to focus on it, plus be doing some type of daily action to put you in a space where it can reach you. Plus what are your levels of self worth and entitlement like? If you are interested in a million bucks what is your attitude towards money and what are the attitudes of your mother father they influence you directly.

My advice would be to find a healer/ metaphysical counsellor & do a session/ series of sessions to address whatever the blocks are you are facing.

this happens to be an area of my expertise I have continuously manifested a great deal of my heats desires into reality I know how it all works, so if you would like feel free to PM me.

I think "The Secret" simplified the Law of Attraction way too much and set up people for disappointment. You HAVE to take action; you just can't sit around hoping for change. I think there is a lot of validity in the points made about positive vs. negative thinking, so I'm not giving up on the Law of Attraction right now. Everyone operates differently, so I do respect the original poster's well-written point of view.

Blessings,
Stephanie

Yes, but don't focus on the money you don't have. Being grateful for the money you do have to get more coming in is the key behind the Law of Attraction.

Blessings,
Stephanie

" That is why I tell you. All the things you pray and ask for have faith that you have practically received them and you will have them," Jesus said. This is what is recorded at Mark 11:24

When we visualize what we desire we focus on the end result. We have to see ourselves attaining what we want.

We must see and feel the pleasure of having attained what we want. We must have no doubts; that is why we meditate --- to clear tension in mind and body.

During the course of the day we should be focused on what we desire by repeating an appropriate affirmation.

From psychology, metaphysics to religion the law of attraction is evident. It works!

It is self discipline to do our meditations and doing them properly by evoking emotion/feeling that is a major problem to attaining our hearts desires.I am writing from experience. Suffice to say I have thrice attained what I strongly desired using the LOA. I got my first client with incredible exactitude! It was in the same place, same time and same sex of client as I used to visualize!

Thanks for the thought provoking thread!

I think I manly have an issue with the title with of this thread being "The Law of Attraction does not work" It should be "The Law of Attraction Does not Work for Me" Some things will work for some people that won't work for others.Even in this scenario, The Law of Attraction may have a profound effect on someone while it may have a minor effect on another.I'm thankful this Law works for me,however.

I've seen the destructive circular power of negative thinking which has been by far the most prevalent thinking in my life due to environmental factors,yet when I ignore these factors and think positive and believe I'm meant for better things, great things start to happen in my life.

Like I said earlier, The Law of Attraction sets me up to look at things half full instead of half empty.If anything, people who don't pay attention to the Law of Attraction and focus more on Negativity, ignore the great opportunities in life that come their way. I know I missed a few because my mind would turn a completely positive opportunity into a negative. This Law helps me develop the right mindset. I put aside fear and doubts and I begin to feel I deserve better and more out of life.

I applied the Law of Attraction in my life, and it has taught me how to properly utilize the tools that we all have (but may not use or know to use) to attain what we want in life. I went through a very personal struggle with my husband to create the family we have today. To spare you with the details, the bottom line was that we couldn't get pregnant.

In any case, when I say that I applied the Law of Attraction in my life, I'm not implying that the only thing we did was "visualize" a family in hopes that something would magically happen. We shifted paths. We saw doctors. We did something about it. All the while we did a lot of positive thinking, and focused on our goals to achieve our dream family. I won't give 100% credit to the LOA on our success, but I certainly will not discredit the idea behind it.

To me, it worked for us. And I plan to apply the same tools towards my other goals in life. I don't see it as magic, but rather, a vehicle that reminds you that you have choices in life. Such as the choice to be happy or miserable. Some days it takes work to be happy, but then you have the choice to put forth the effort ...or not.

darkw00ds, I have a suggestion for you, read "The Power of Focus" by Jack Canfield, Mark Victor Hansen and Lew Hewitt. This might help you change your situation?? Read it follow every word in it to a tee and see if you might not have better luck with getting what you want

Great post.
If you want something in your life, go out and get it!
"Human beings must have action; and they will make it if they cannot find it." - Albert Einstein

I guess so. Like you will yourself to think that there is no traffic but is caught in it because a thousand others are thinking of a traffic jam.

There's no replacement for the good old method of desiring for something and working your butt off to get it.

An elderly man sat in church and prayed "Lord, I have been a faithful Christian and have devoted my entire life to the needy, please let me win the lottery so I can retire and still do good". Week after week the man continued to pray and week after week he lost. After 2 years of praying one day the man stopped mid-prayer, looked up and said "God, why have you forsaken me, have not won even one dime". A booming voice echoed from the rafters saying "At least meet me half way and BUY A TICKET".

Regardless of your belief or faith there will always be a need for you to take action!

The law of attraction is like prayer. It can fail 100 times in a row, but if it "works" just one time, it is TOTALLY TRUE!!!! And of course the LOA has an infinite amount of time in which to work...

The universe doesn't care what you want and it won't give you anything. But take a billion idiots asking the universe for something, and eventually one of them is going to get it. Hallelujah!!!

I'm sorry, you seem convinced of your position. I'm not really ready to waste digital ink -
As I get older, one of the things I'm sure of is the relativity of perception. We see things differently. I'm also sure of the value of having an open mind. I'don't really try to convince/persuade as much as I used to.For example, I've been privileged to perceive energy-fields... countless times. You'd probably throw that into the realm of unicorns and centuars, right?

The fundamental reason why people fail is they do not create a compelling and burning reason "WHY" they are need to achieve a certain goal/outcome. Take the IM niche...most people (not all) get into this niche to do what....make money!! This is probably the very worst reason as to a "why" for you to entered this industry. You are DOOMED (and guaranteed) to fail if this is your primary motive - quit now and save youtself a lot of heartache. Whether you are pro or against the Law of Attraction its fundamental basis is really quite simple. Thoughts mainfest to Emotions/Feelings which results in Actions which create Results/Outcome which we then assimilate as positiver and/or negative. This create expeirences/beliefs etc and the Thought cycle starts over. If your thoughts are not strong and positive and focused on your base reason "WHY" too many other varibales will affect the various factors and likely knock you over. My observations have come for over 10 years coaching others to acheive financial freedom and more importantly the success I have created. Bottom line...it works.

"BECAUSE I had not set ANY PLANS to get out of it. I just assumed "THe plans" would come to me as the Secret talks about. I assumed I would be "Inspired" to take the right action, or some right person would talk to me, and some opportunity would rarise. Nope. I will neer not plan another goal in my life ever again, I will always plan the path to it and follow it and make the proper adjustments"

Therein my friend lies The Secret.....good luck and I wish you a life filed with abundance in any area you desire.

I'll tell you what. I would like to ask someones best example of the Law Of Attraction; give me some stories. If you believe in it so much, maybe I can be convinced. Here is a Challenge, give me an honest Factual story of how you "attracted" your exact Goal. According to Wallace Wattles, in The Science of Getting Rich, what you visualize will come to you in exact Mathematical Certainty. -

And since I have not succesfully Manafested a single dime in any realm of mathematical certainty from the LOA, I would like to hear someones story of how they Attracted the One Million Dollars, or the Car of their Dreams, and The Love of their Life through Metaphysical means.

If you say, "Well I was thinking about a Corvette, I went to the dealership, and bought it on a Lease for $500 a month. OMG! The LOA is true!" - That does not COUNT.

If you say something like, "WEll I visualized myself being in a Corvette for a month, and finally one day a Man came up to me and said he'll trade me a Corvette for my cheeseburger." - or something of that strange coincidential realm, I will be a believer.

Just give me a few stories of how you successful people attracted millions of dollars, or are living the life of your dreams and I will believe every word you say. Include some pictures, hey if you truley believe this stuff is true, you wouldn't mind taking the time out of your day to prove a struggling doubter of the amazing possibilities would you?

So that is my challenge. And remember, it cannot involve the traditional aspect of "I went to college, got my M.D. in Neurosurgery, worked years as a doctor and bought my dream home." - Because rthen you would just be proving my point that Logical planning and setting goals while WORKING HARD is the only "LOA" that exists.

Challenge offered.

Ohhhhh...I do have one bone to pick with The Secret "gurus". They did make it seem like you could sit on the couch and mediate your way to millions. The one thing they failure to highlight is that you need to take MASSIVE ACTION DAILY. Noon ever got rich doing nothing!!

Although my personal beliefs differ from your own, I can totally appreciate where you're coming from. Please allow me to offer some thoughts, however, as to why the Law of Attraction hasn't worked for you...

Firstly, you've interpreted the teachings of the The Secret incorrectly and taken things far too literally. At no point does the Law of Attraction imply that money will "magically float" to you. The Law of Attraction simply states that like attracts like. Consequently, if you're thinking on a negative frequency, you will continue to attract more negative situations into your life until your break that thought pattern, and vice versa.

Heck, you're using the Law of Attraction to try and pick-up women? Dude, c'mon! My view is that if you're actively trying to seek the attention of women, you're in a constant state of want. This is the complete opposite to what the Law of Attraction teaches. In fact, your inability to attract female attention probably stems from a sub-conscious feeling of not being good enough etc.

Just be yourself, do the things that you want to do and most importantly enjoy yourself! Once you learn to love yourself and enjoy life women will be naturally attracted to you. Remember also that if a woman cannot accept you for who you truly are then a) she obviously wasn't meant for you in the first place and b) she is shallow and not worth knowing anyway!

Exactly! My interpretation of the Law of Attraction, and the way in which I have chosen to successfully apply it to my life, is to work hard, develop a solid business plan and to focus on and visualize success. You can't have one without the other... you can't work hard and focus on the negative, just like you can't focus on the end goal whilst sitting on your ass all day. In order to succeed in life, you must TAKE ACTION!

You're in a state of hope and want. That's why you're not getting anywhere. You need to sit back, develop an action plan, take the steps you need to take to put that plan into action and then focus on your desired outcome, not the other way round! I bet all the while you've been trying to use the LOA you've had the underlying thought that "this isn't going to work" or "I am still broke, single and unemployed" etc. It doesn't work like that, at all! You need to learn to eliminate such negative thinking from your mind and focus on the positive as much as possible. Yin, yang. Every negative situation has a positive etc, just learn how to look at things from an alternate perspective.

NO. The only way you'd be somewhere by now is if you'd have taken targeted action, which you obviously haven't done. In my opinion The Secret does make it seem a little too easy, so in order to separate yourself from that, you need to take from it what you want rather than accepting it word for word.

These may seem like harsh words, and I certainly do not know your personal situation, so please forgive me if this seems overly offensive. But, since I first starting learning the Law of Attraction a few years ago, I have often slipped back into a negative thinking pattern myself, it's easy to do...

You've just got to learn to stay focused, keep your head up and like you say, to man up! But I promise you this, the Law of Attraction 100% DOES WORK, if you believe in it and apply it effectively coupled with taking targeted action towards your goals!

I think there are times when stuff comes to you and then there are times where you have to do action. I don't think action is warranted 100% of the time though.

I am of the belief that "you do the best and let God do the rest" but my grandmother is a "wait on the Lord/Law" person and everything she needs comes to her - just in the nick of time, at the midnight hour, etc in a truly miraculous fashion.

There are other laws out there too (ex: Law of Gestation) and not just the Law of Attraction. There's a whole list.

I saw Wayne Dyer on a movie called "The Shift". He said you don't attract what you WANT, you attract what you ARE. So, if you go to someone saying: "gimme, gimme, gimme", then the Universe sends back to you "gimme, gimme, gimme". Then there's this. The Bible states that what you get back is MULTIPLIED. So that should be taken into account as well. If you have the idea "How Can I Serve", then the Universe comes back with "How May I Serve You". Perhaps if you send out "How May I Serve You" and it comes multiplied, it may be interpreted as grace.

I also think it has something to do with the energy you have (personally) to actually generate the thing. My grandmother has lots of energy. She almost glows. She will sit next to plants and they just "take off" in growth.

3 words - Get The Edge (that's the first program I listened to)

You can also consider Personal Power II.

My 2 cents

By the fact that you have belief, doubt, and you gave up that is the law of attraction at work! You don't think it work there for it doesn't the experiments and exercises only help you feel good and push you further. They are temporary because you must realize you are the creator of your world really. Don't give up on yourself we need you nobody on in the history of mankind can do what you do and no one can replace you. We need you and love you!

Yeah I know what you mean! I read Think and grow Rich decades ago for the first time and I went over in the corner sat down and started thinking....The only thing I got was a sore butt from sitting on a hard floor.

So I got up and found my science kit from when I was a kid and lit the wood alcohol lamp and tried to figure out The Science of Getting Rich. Couldn't figure it out!

I was discouraged and thought about drinking the alcohol.

Yuuupppp! these guys lied to me.

So I sat down with a guy that had made it in my opinion. He was driving a Jag, had a Queen Aire Turbo prop plane and a personal pilot to fly it. He had a beautiful home in North Carolina, a lovely wife, and 3 pretty young daughters. He also was the one that told me to read those #*%! books! *&#% him anyway!

There he was sitting in my living room of my heavily mortgaged $28K house on a hassock with stuffing coming out. I told him he was full of it and his books too. I turned from him and looked out the window at the new Jag in my dirt driveway.

He said to me, "You really are tense aren't you? I didn't say anything thing and he said again, "aren't you?"

I mumbled something like "yeah I guess".

I knew his story and he had all kinds of failures and flops in his life. He was about 20 years older than me and for some, God only knows, reason took a liking to me.

He said, "how many copies of those books have been printed and how many editions do you think there are?" This conversation was taking place in about 1982 and he said, over 20 million at that time 30 years ago.

He said, "if that book was so wrong why is it still in print?" I had no answer.

I was an owner of a retail business with no reserves in the 1980 recession. Those books and others and all the positive thinking crap just didn't work and I told him so.

Now I don't have time in a post go into detail what he taught me that day but it propelled me into a sales career that I wouldn't change for anything.
Has it been all roses? No! But there have been a lot of roses along the way.

He said that I was missing the whole point. The books had no magic and the words they contained had no magic. He said "what the words say would be meaningless to me if I didn't figure something out first."
He then told me that some well known sports figures, businessmen and woman, entertainers, had given credit to Think and Grow Rich in particular and books like it in general for their successes. He said," Old Dog, why would they say that if it were a lie?" Again I had no answer.

You are tense, mad and fed up for sure, and you will not find your answer to what these books teach until you understand one thing. It all starts with you. You need to back off and step out of the box you are in. Turn off all the junk and look into your own soul or heart. Are you telling your self a bunch of lies. Do you really want what you say you do? You gotta sort that out first. You can't be motivated by what others or society wants from you. It's got to be what you want of you. There's no right or wrong thing if it is what you really want in your heart.

You have got to be absolutely honest with your self. It certainly is not easy but it's not that hard if you just chill a bit and think about it. Yes Think and Grow Rich!

ld Dog

Don't worry, you're not alone. About 97% of people also couldn't make the Law of Attraction work for them the first time round. Think about it, just like anything else, you have to practice many times before you see success. A child doesn't learn to walk without falling over a couple of times, right?

But in practice, everything is easier said and done. When you're frustrated, it's hard to stay positive. And it's especially harder to stay positive when the evidence all around you is screams negativity like the unstable economy or senseless acts of violence such as those recently seen in Mumbai.

And do you know what happens when you fail to stay positive? That's right - you start attracting negative things in to your life.

Darkw00ds,

You're stubborn, which is fine. But, having a bad attitude, and wasting people's time is pathetic.

What do YOU HAVE to offer???....why should you get the girl....have a nice car...?

You have to "feel wealthy," "feel worthy," "feel gratitude for the air that you breathe, the clothes on your back, etc., first.

~~~~you've interpreted the movie wrong~~~so start over~~~take advice from someone else~~~~~

YOU HAVEN'T THANKED one person on this thread you started - if I missed it, I appologize.

So, what was your intention when you created this thread?

I think you totally get off on being combative, getting a reaction out of people.

After briefly watching the video, and briefly reading the book, I stopped reading anything related to personal development for a long time. Made me sick. They take hard work completely out of the equation and just say things to make you feel good.

Dear darkwOOds,
its only true if you say so

Hi,

I watched 'The Secret' years ago & it open many doors for me. To me, that's the keyword. Opening doors. 'The Secret' is like this big massive door that is all bright and shiny and you think it leads to the Garden of Eden or something. But it doesn't. To me it leads to a huge library that it would take a few lifetimes for me to go through.

Though you don't have to read everything but I believe that you should not take 'The Secret' as the answer. It should lead you to more questions. Because of 'The Secret' I went deeper into researching on metaphysics, quantum physics, positive thinking, bla bla bla :-) And though the educational ride can be confusing but I also appreciate it.

I think you are on this journey Darkwoods, so to be honest, I don't see anything wrong with your posting or your disputes. I believe that this is your own personal journey & you need to make it on your own, man. But may I give you some tips? You can use all or some or none at all. But I do hope you spend some time reading it.

1. What is the story behind 'Darkwood'? If the story is not good, change your avatar. I'm not suggesting you put 'My Little Pony' or something, but you can start with calling yourself something better.

2. Instead of studying the LOA on 'The Secret', study the 'teachers' behind it. What is their story? How did they make it? Jack Canfield, Bob Proctor, Abraham-Hicks (she was in the original DVD) & etc. Find out their secret & you might find out why they agree on LOA.

3. I believe all the methods mentioned by ANY 'teachers' I've read or watched. But I don't believe that all of them is right for me. You need to find something that you feel is right for you. That makes you feel good when you do it. If you believe in working hard, taking action is right for you then go ahead & do it. But IMHO, the keyword here is believing in the end results. And you need to understand who you are first.

4. Stephen Covey, Brian Tracy, Jim Rohn, Zig Ziglar, Louise Hay, Wayne Dyer, Tony Robbins, Paolo Coelho...These are among my fav teachers. You can see that this list is a mix of individuals from diff beliefs. It helps to open my mind to many things & it does not stay in only one box.

Does LOA works for me? I believe so. I've seen how I attract both good & bad things in my life. Now, I'm learning to filter out the bad things.

So good luck in your journey. God bless. :-)

Congratulations, you're in a good place my man. You saw through the BS after only three years. I've seen people waste decades on the belief that thoughts alone will attract success.

As a coach of entrepreneurs, I fight this on a consistent basis. Well read people who have to unlearn what they "know" so they can have a shot at prosperity and success.

I sometimes spend chapters of my personal growth courses and hours of coaching helping people "unlearn" the fallacies that are keeping them stuck before we can get busy with a strategy.

It's like being a rehab coach sometimes lol

I know, the law of attraction teachings made Rhonda Byrne rich. But PT Barnum made himself rich with the same line of thinking:

"There's a sucker born every minute."

No judgement here. I've been a sucker plenty of times in my life. Hell, it's the only way to learn what really works sometimes.

But Napoleon Hill's six steps for accomplishing anything you want were laid out like this in "Think and Grow Rich:"

1) Determine the amount of money you want
2) Determine a date when you want to have it by
3) Determine what you intend to give in exchange for it (where Hill claims there's "no such thing as something for nothing")
4) Write out a plan and get started right away, whether you're ready or not
5) Write out the details of steps 1-4
6) Read them aloud twice daily

Yet, here are the steps laid out in "The Secret" and most Law of Attraction courses today:

1) Ask
2) Believe
3) Receive

What happened to the plan and getting to work whether you were ready or not? What happened to determining what you were willing to give in return? What happened to "no such thing as something for nothing?"

I'll tell you what happened. The same thing that happened to the essential nutrients in our foods. They got sucked out and replaced with stuff that was cheaper and better tasting.

Even Hill said this in "Think and Grow Rich:"

"Riches do not respond to wishes, they respond to definite plans, backed by definite action through constant persistence."

There's ^ your secret right there:

1) Clarity: definite plans
2) Elimination: neglect of everything that doesn't support that plan
3) Contribution: definite action invested towards achieving your plans
4) Perseverance: pace and presence during times of sowing and times of reaping.

That's the most effective approach I've found for achieving personal and professional goals. I suspect that's the Law of Attraction in its pure, unfiltered form.

The "Hollywood" Law of Attraction has survived scrutiny for two reasons:

First, because it's so damn alluring. I mean it feels really warm and fuzzy. Its easy to deny the cold reality that you have to invest energy through actions if you want to make something happen.

Sure, thoughts are a form of energy.

We can measure a thought.

But we can measure actions too.

They give off energy too.

They give off more energy than thoughts do.

More energy invested = more results.

Of course, there's the "change your thinking to change your actions" argument, but thoughts don't always lead to actions. If they did, we wouldn't have a little demon called procrastination breathing down our necks.

Thoughts only become actions when activated by value, that's what turns thoughts into beliefs, beliefs into actions and actions into results.

The second reason the dummed down version of the Law of Attraction has survived is because it's based on the assumption that you have to believe and not doubt, so doubting it would automatically nullify it's power.

It's classic circular reasoning:

1) You have to believe it for it to work
2) If it doesn't work, you keep believing that it will and eventually it will
3) If you dare say "It's not working" the universe will hear your doubt and it won't work.

Being stuck in this loop robs you of your personal Clarity and Clarity is the first step of success.

Know yourself.
Know you limits.
Give yourself.
Never give up.

Without Clarity, you can be fully motivated and fully committed, hauling ass towards your dream, but following the wrong road.

Epic fail. I've been there, we all have.

Clarity requires a healthy balance of skepticism and wonder (thanks Carl Sagan). You spent some time too far on the wonder side, nothing wrong with that. Now, your inner skeptic is stepping in to balance things out.

Just don't let the skeptic take over.

Keep dreaming, keep questioning, keep hoping, keep testing and keep persevering.

It took a lot of guts to admit you've been following a path that's not working for three years, and I believe the person who can honestly face their own faults can face anything.

Value Driven Transcendence

having a positive attitude is very important in succeding in anything in life. Visualising yourself being successful at anything in particular is also very important to help you succeed. But after visualising you have to take action. Things do not happen for you witthout you putting in teh work. You have to think about what you truly want, visualise it, visualise how you plan to achieve it then go and do the work. If it was true that you will be rich if you simply think about being rich then why are we stuck in one of teh biggest recessions in recent years, with so many people thinking about being rich after the release of the secret you would think it would be boom times at the moment

Thinking on its own obviously sorts out nothing thinking goes with implementing. The authors of these books didnt just think them onto paper they put their thoughts into writing, then made money.

There certainly is something to having skill; however there are plenty of people with skills who do nothing with them. It's the people who are willing to put in the effort to leverage their skills that achieve success.

Wow... this thread is still going.

People sure are passionate about clinging to a belief in LOA.

I found this particularly egregious. Even if I accept your premise that everything is energy (thoughts included), how does any of the rest of what you said follow??? This is a non sequitur.

You might as well say that speech is a wave and all matter has wave-like properties, therefore this means that if you say the right words, magical unicorns will sing you to sleep and bring you clean underwear from Atlantis.

You are 100% right and 100% wrong. The Law of Attraction is not the lottery.
But, I'll bet a ton of money that I can prove you wrong if you are willing to spend some time with me.
No obligation and no fee, just a testimonial from you as you start progressing.
I'm not able to PM yet, but if you send me a yahoo email, handle is saleclozer, I'll personally coach you through the process for at least 90 days, if you truly want it.
There, you just witnessed the Law of Attraction at work. You want to attract money, women, etc. and now you have landed a personal coach for free.
Any questions?

Hi.

The Law of Attraction Does Work. The science behind its presentation is diluted, incomplete, at times flawed, and can be discomforting to others in the wake of its proximity of radiant effect.


There is a simple key to recognize regarding certain understandings presented by modern day mavens through methods of commercialized media. It's not that a correct body of information isn't presented as an offering towards the attraction of balancing desires; it's just that the whole and complete story of actuality is not presented.



The public in general, is presented with less than a 7th of a complete system, which is ancient, scientific, and intrinsically immortal.



This comment has nothing to do with what is termed metaphysics, as it has more to do with comprehensive understandings of the actuality behind reality.


These understandings will involve:

• temporal physics,

• ancient prescriptions of mathematics wherein numeric symbol integers are treated as 'living qualities' and 'living quantities' with their own caste system culture,

• the understanding that the value prescriptions of numeric symbol integers are immortal,

• the understanding that creation is a friction between two polar irregularities,

• the understanding that time is a condition,

• the understanding that geometry is simultaneously a relative static and or dynamic correspondence within cyclic condition of time,

• the understanding that frequency specifics seek to be sympathetically harmonic at coordinate intersections of material expression,

• and so much more.

The disciplines mentioned are measurable, observable, and applicability harvestable, as can be seen in the significance of the relative design of ancient monumental structures, their coordinate locations, and within the coded scriptural text presented through various cultural theocratic communities.


No, I am not kidding. It only takes a bit of research and investigation, or might I say, a lot of research and investigation, to recognize how to assign the sympathies of evidence, that cross-pollinate each of these seemingly unrelated disciplines, to within an understanding of a uniform tolerance of each others influence.


You might consider studying:

• Prime numbers and prime number quadruplets, which concern the structural fabric of the physics of this mother nature,

• ancient 'Kemi and 'Kawil' mathematics, which concern numeric symbol integer value coordinate positioning as well as value difference relationships,

• 'Fibonacci' ratio proportion relationships, which concern the growth prescriptions of organic material, virtual geometric expressions of psychic and mental radiance, as well as temporal event occurrence happenings,

• 'Hermetic Science.', concerning a body of relative intrinsic laws, that should not be divorced away from themselves, as is currently done through the presentations of modern day mavens that present such technologies without their balancing counterparts (i.e.: The Secret, Think And Grow Rich, etc), *The 'Law Of Attraction' falls under and is subordinate to one of the following principles:

1. Everything Is Mental - Principle Of Mentalism
2. Everything Is Correspondent - Principle Of Correspondence
3. Everything Vibrates - Principle Of Vibration
4. Everything Is Polarized - Principle Of Polarity
5. Everything Is Rythmic - Principle Of Rhythm
6. Everything Is Cause And Effect - Principle Of Cause And Effect
7. Everything Is Gender - Principle Of Gender

These principles can best be evidenced, observed, and or practically applied through rudimentary sciences as tangible explanations throughout our modern day use of:

1. magnetic technology - power generation,
2. electromagnetic planetary influences - earth shield against solar wind,
3. electroencephalogram technology - brain scan radiation coordinates,
4. quartz crystal technology - condition of time management, information storage,
5. sonic structural technology - Grand Central Station - New York city, 'Mayan' temple complex,
6. geometric release of nuclear force - nuclear explosions
7. geometric computer science technology - computer array load distribution
8. interferometer technology - 'Harrp'
9. etc.......

• ' Mayan' mathematics , which is based on a base 20 vegismal system,

• 'Vedic' mathematics, which infuses a more complete system concerning the relative correspondence between all things of measure, as well as presenting an understanding of the behavior of numeric symbol integer values, in terms of their functional expressions of dynamic with, toward, and between each other,

• 'Vortex' mathematics, which will serve to delineate the expressions of fluid energies 'from' potential, as they involve and interact with the physics of this Mother Nature,

• Celestial astronomy (not astrology), which will evidence accuracies that regard periods of cyclic determination and their component measure within spatial disciplines of coordinate,

• etc..

Even the understanding of how geometry can harvest and contain energy from beyond the absolute of potential, is not a foreign understanding to our modern day technology, as can be evidenced in the initial construction of the dodecahedral sphere, that encapsulated the compressive potential necessary to release nuclear energy at the dropping of the first atomic bomb.


I think you get the point. There are measurable sciences that our general population is either not exposed to, presented a shroud or cloud of mystery with, divorced away from in terms of technology impossibility orientation, or just simply told, that these mechanisms don't exist. This can be done due to the ancient psychological sciences involved in understanding the behavioral mechanisms of humankind in mass.


An example of this is the symbolism involved in currency. They're a symbols inscribed and printed on today's U.S. dollar bill. The technology involved is one that understands that the purpose and intent infused into the design and construction of a symbol, can be passed through the ravages of the condition of time, so as to affect the behavioral consciousness of individuals in a similar fashion within multiple periods of conditioned atmospheres of event.
This is a technology that dissolves the influence of temporal period separation. Think about it...

What I've written here is only the surface of a truer and more complete explanation as to the mechanics behind this existence. Less than a tip of an iceberg...

And after reading this, you might get a better hint as to where the basic information of some of our modern day books come from. The information is not new.

So, if the law of attraction doesn't seem like it's your cup of tea in terms of cause and effect, it might be wise to get a better handle on the supporting cast of characters that ancient technologies seem to have applicably realized as necessary components to incorporate, when desiring a cause to be a cause, and an effect to be in effect. Something to think about!

Tom

Hi.

The Law of Attraction Does Work. The science behind its presentation is diluted, incomplete, at times flawed, and can be discomforting to others in the wake of its proximity of radiant effect.


There is a simple key to recognize regarding certain understandings presented by modern day mavens through methods of commercialized media. It's not that a correct body of information isn't presented as an offering towards the attraction of balancing desires; it's just that the whole and complete story of actuality is not presented.



The public in general, is presented with less than a 7th of a complete system, which is ancient, scientific, and intrinsically immortal.



This comment has nothing to do with what is termed metaphysics, as it has more to do with comprehensive understandings of the actuality behind reality.


These understandings will involve:

• temporal physics,

• ancient prescriptions of mathematics wherein numeric symbol integers are treated as 'living qualities' and 'living quantities' with their own caste system culture,

• the understanding that the value prescriptions of numeric symbol integers are immortal,

• the understanding that creation is a friction between two polar irregularities,

• the understanding that time is a condition,

• the understanding that geometry is simultaneously a relative static and or dynamic correspondence within cyclic condition of time,

• the understanding that frequency specifics seek to be sympathetically harmonic at coordinate intersections of material expression,

• and so much more.

The disciplines mentioned are measurable, observable, and applicability harvestable, as can be seen in the significance of the relative design of ancient monumental structures, their coordinate locations, and within the coded scriptural text presented through various cultural theocratic communities.


No, I am not kidding. It only takes a bit of research and investigation, or might I say, a lot of research and investigation, to recognize how to assign the sympathies of evidence, that cross-pollinate each of these seemingly unrelated disciplines, to within an understanding of a uniform tolerance of each others influence.


You might consider studying:

• Prime numbers and prime number quadruplets, which concern the structural fabric of the physics of this mother nature,

• ancient 'Kemi and 'Kawil' mathematics, which concern numeric symbol integer value coordinate positioning as well as value difference relationships,

• 'Fibonacci' ratio proportion relationships, which concern the growth prescriptions of organic material, virtual geometric expressions of psychic and mental radiance, as well as temporal event occurrence happenings,

• 'Hermetic Science.', concerning a body of relative intrinsic laws, that should not be divorced away from themselves, as is currently done through the presentations of modern day mavens that present such technologies without their balancing counterparts (i.e.: The Secret, Think And Grow Rich, etc), *The 'Law Of Attraction' falls under and is subordinate to one of the following principles:

1. Everything Is Mental - Principle Of Mentalism
2. Everything Is Correspondent - Principle Of Correspondence
3. Everything Vibrates - Principle Of Vibration
4. Everything Is Polarized - Principle Of Polarity
5. Everything Is Rythmic - Principle Of Rhythm
6. Everything Is Cause And Effect - Principle Of Cause And Effect
7. Everything Is Gender - Principle Of Gender

These principles can best be evidenced, observed, and or practically applied through rudimentary sciences as tangible explanations throughout our modern day use of:

1. magnetic technology - power generation,
2. electromagnetic planetary influences - earth shield against solar wind,
3. electroencephalogram technology - brain scan radiation coordinates,
4. quartz crystal technology - condition of time management, information storage,
5. sonic structural technology - Grand Central Station - New York city, 'Mayan' temple complex,
6. etc.......

• ' Mayan' mathematics , which is based on a base 20 vegismal system,

• 'Vedic' mathematics, which infuses a more complete system concerning the relative correspondence between all things of measure, as well as presenting an understanding of the behavior of numeric symbol integer values, in terms of their functional expressions of dynamic with, toward, and between each other,

• 'Vortex' mathematics, which will serve to delineate the expressions of fluid energies 'from' potential, as they involve and interact with the physics of this Mother Nature,

• Celestial astronomy (not astrology), which will evidence accuracies that regard periods of cyclic determination and their component measure within spatial disciplines of coordinate,

• etc..

Even the understanding of how geometry can harvest and contain energy from beyond the absolute of potential, is not a foreign understanding to our modern day technology, as can be evidenced in the initial construction of the dodecahedral sphere, that encapsulated the compressive potential necessary to release nuclear energy at the dropping of the first atomic bomb.


I think you get the point. There are measurable sciences that our general population is either not exposed to, presented a shroud or cloud of mystery with, divorced away from in terms of technology impossibility orientation, or just simply told, that these mechanisms don't exist. This can be done due to the ancient psychological sciences involved in understanding the behavioral mechanisms of humankind in mass.


An example of this is the symbolism involved in currency. They're a symbols inscribed and printed on today's U.S. dollar bill. The technology involved is one that understands that the purpose and intent infused into the design and construction of a symbol, can be passed through the ravages of the condition of time, so as to affect the behavioral consciousness of individuals in a similar fashion within multiple periods of conditioned atmospheres of event.
This is a technology that dissolves the influence of temporal period separation. Think about it...

What I've written here is only the surface of a truer and more complete explanation as to the mechanics behind this existence. Less than a tip of an iceberg...

And after reading this, you might get a better hint as to where the basic information of some of our modern day books come from. The information is not new.

So, if the law of attraction doesn't seem like it's your cup of tea in terms of cause and effect, it might be wise to get a better handle on the supporting cast of characters that ancient technologies seem to have applicably realized as necessary components to incorporate, when designing a cause to be a cause, and an effect to be an effect. Something to think about!

Tom

*Sighs heavily* Metaphysics. If there was EVER a word or an idea that was more harmful to the human race than metaphysics, I don't know what it is.

Metaphysics is synonymous with "unproveable, untestable nonsense".

Words like "energy" have a meaning that has NOTHING to do with ever morphing definitions posed by preachers, psychics, and other charlatans who actively take advantage of genuine interest and confusion of scientific explanations by using scientific sounding words to gain some of the credibility that scientific experts enjoy.

If you value truth at all, like me you are probably disgusted with "metaphysical" beliefs and their penchant for divesting the credulous from their hard-earned money.

IF as aatyum implies there IS a science behind why the claims of LOA are true, I'm not familiar with it. I don't mean to call you out, but some of what you are talking about (symbology, numerology, crystals, etc.) are nothing more than interesting collections of coincidence conflated with the Forer effect.

I'm familiar with many scientific concepts, theories, etc. - but LOA strikes me as something more akin to wishful thinking rather than a provable, testable hypothesis.

Other than that though, I agree with one thing.

Provable.

Testable.

These are the things which separate fact from fiction.

If you make a claim, and you can't prove it - it's BS.

If you make a claim that cannot be tested - it's BS.

If something is only true sometimes then there is NOTHING that separates it from coincidence. Divine providence or "intelligent energy" deserve no special treatment in a world where true knowledge and proven ideas are all starkly marked by their predictive reliability.

In my experience, the Law of Attraction works in a much more subtle and emotional way than advertised. It has to do with the basic resonance of your being and how free / nonreactive your consciousness is, not how much time you spend visualizing fancy stuff.

And by "basic resonance of your being" I mean - are you a genuinely loving person? Do you honestly wish happiness and peace even for people who offend you or try to hurt you? Are you generous, patient, kind - without resentment, entitlement, or any trace of self-pity? If so, you'll be able to attract other loving, generous and free people into your life. It's my experience that opportunities and help come from exactly those kind of people.

The other dimension I mentioned is how free / nonreactive your consciousness is. In other words - do you panic if you don't have money in your bank account? Are you willing to treat other people poorly in order to get something you feel you need or want? Those qualities of reactivity and manipulation are grounded in grasping and fear and tend to actually repulse happiness from our lives. In other words, you might be able to trample or trick your way to material bounty, but that bounty won't bring you any joy because your consciousness, or quality of awareness, is itself mired in fear.

Having a free / nonreactive consciousness enables you to see opportunities and respond to them with much more clarity, peace, and effectiveness. In other words, if you can feel free and happy with nothing or very little, you're more able to go about taking action towards your goals in a way that continues to create happiness and freedom.

If you're interested in learning about this more subtle form of the law of attraction, I suggest reading the essays of Ralph Waldo Emerson. He was the father of American self-help, and his metaphysics were based in a very in-depth understanding of philosophy and science.

But I agree with darkW00Ds - the whole "visualize a diamond necklace and in two seconds it'll appear on your neck" is childish magical thinking - and not even the interesting kind of childish magical thinking. Just the boring, grubby kind.

this reply may be old but here is what I want to say about this. Persevere works period. Nothing comes without our effort. If someone gets rich quick that is very good for him but it is the exception and not the rule.

But dream we must because nothing can begin without the first thought.

I'm not going to agree with or contradict anyone because I haven't read that much about LOA, or watched that many movies, or seriously tried it on myself.

I want to just say that LOA, just like other similar "theories" or "laws", have to be taken with a bit of salt. Take them literally and expect amazing results, and you're headed for disappointment. Learn from them and take just what applies to you, what pushes YOUR buttons, and what you think that could help you in life, and you're headed for personal development.

I think everyone should have their personal "law" - a mix-up of the best of everything you learn through different experiences.

I do belief there is some truth in the Law of Attraction. I believe that if you actively focus on what you want, it has a much better chance of coming to you.

What I believe to be an even stronger force is the Abundance Mentality. Believing that you have an abundance of everything you want takes the pressure of everything. You can go in an do whatever you want and get whatever you want because even if you don't there are still tons of opportunities everywhere.

As I am a fan of the LOA, was really curious why darkw00ds did not believe it works.

After reading through the thread, it did make me think more about what darkw00dsthinks about how LOA teaching works i.e. by getting what you want through thinking, believing and receiving it - without any effort.

Here's what "The Secret" teaches,
1. Ask
2. Belief
3. Receive

I personally think this was a good starting point but over simplified and may give the wrong impression that no action is require since it's not there

So he's not completely wrong in saying that what we've achieved is through our own effort and not some silly law.

I believe the misunderstanding/disagreement with folks seems to be also the action/in-action bit.

So do we count it as LOA if there's effort? Our own effort? Or the LOA actually involves no effort? But still getting what we want?

I read a few times that OP do not expect LOA to involve any action.
Wow! I didn't look at or understand LOA this way - I had hope that would happen to me too without any intended action

As Jim Rohn teaches, "Affirmation without action is delusion". And I somehow believed that 'cos what I've achieved so far definitely involves action - the LOA just helps me understand how I've achieved it before and gives me a way to repeat this success.

The explanation of LOA from Ester/Abraham teachings is definitely more detailed. She share another few sets of sub-Laws the comes with it namely,
Law of Deliberate Creation.
Law of Intention.
Law of Allowing.

Ester also says LOA simply put is "that which is liken to itself is drawn".
If you are positive, you are friendly to folks, you will likely receive positivity and friendiness from other folks. If you feel and act abundant, you will attract abundance into your life.

So for me what's more important is that it gives me a way to understand what I am getting what I am getting. This law may be based on our own effort. Heck, this Law probably came about because of how humans were achieving things and someone just "framed" it into a so-called Law as it could be repeated. So human success first, then Law instead of the other way around etc. But what's important is how using a method (or law) makes it quicker and a way to achieve what you want.

So it works, be it with or without action and I believe in this thing called LOA or you can call it LOA with Action .

To me darkw00dsis already using/knowing LOAA to achieve what he wants. He's just looking for a way - hey that's what "The Secret" teaches isn't it? - to do it without the additional A. Maybe that's possible, but I've not experience it. And I've not seen anyone successful achieving it.

Im just reading the LOA (About half way through) I cant wait to finish it. Great Book!

Everyone who's contributed a response on emotions being the energy which creates attraction are right on.

That's the first half of the Law of Attraction, and you need that working to make the law work. The slippery slope is where you leave the second half of the law out...

...which I realize makes it more marketable, but it also renders the LOA worthless. Most of the people I've met who are frustrated with the LOA have only heard or applied the first half:

Positive thoughts + positive emotions = prosperity.

However, the second half is...

Release from negative emotions through honest expression + massive action = results.

The moment you start saying: "well of course it's not working because you're giving off negativity and doubt and the universe hears that doubt..." you create a double bind that forbids a person to honestly express their negative emotions.

I think that's a mistake.

I encourage my students to be critical and doubtful at times, even if it means being honest about your frustration and anger. When frustration and anger are honestly expressed, you're released from them and you can open your mind and heart to learn again and to refine and deepen your understanding.

But if you repress and bury them for fear that they'll "mess up your LOA vibe," you create a cesspool of repressed negative emotions inside yourself. (read Dr. Candice Pert's research on this, there's scientific evidence to prove it). Negative emotions don't just go away, they have to be released through honest expression.

You can keep believing and feeling the vibe and expecting LOA to work, but that doesn't mean it will work...especially when you're violating basic laws of physics...

If the fact that thoughts are a form of energy proves that the Law of Attraction can cause things to happen in the physical realm (which I believe it does, partially), we also have take into account the energy created by our actions.

Actions contribute a whole lot more energy than thoughts do.

If your thoughts and emotions are directed towards creating prosperity, but your actions are directed towards feeling good and comfortable by avoiding negative things and pursuing only pleasurable things, you'll end up building your life up with one hand and tearing it down with the other.

I'm not talking about metaphysics against vs practicality here, I'm talking math and the basic laws of physics. I went to the gym today, took a lot of action, endured a lot of discomfort, delayed pleasurable feelings and contributed a lot more energy towards having a healthy body than I could have contributed through 24 hours of visualizing a healthy body while sitting comfortably in my meditation room.

Yes, I've trained myself to have a positive outlook on the idea of working out...but I still have to honestly push through discomfort to make things happen.

And if a month from now, I'm not reaching my health goals, I'm going to be honest with myself about where I'm frustrated and I'm going to apply critical thinking, refine my approach and reapply myself to investing energy into reaching my goal.

That honest expression of frustration and application of critical thinking is a vital part of the process of attracting what you desire.

Thought energy + Positive emotional energy + Energy through actions + Honest release from negative emotions through honest expression = prosperity.

I know that's not as sexy as this...

Positive thoughts + feel good emotions = prosperity.

...but like anything else that produces worthy results, you have to stop living in this pattern...

Avoid pain and pursue pleasure.

...and start living in this one...

Endure pain and delay pleasure for the sake of creating value.

To the original poster, your frustration and even negativity are human and all a part of growing into the person who will attract what you want. Don't let anyone tell you different...at the same time, don't stay there and stew in your own juices.

Let the negativity out, analyze where you left out the second two components, refine your approach and persevere.

Value Driven Transcendence

WOW what a fabulous and fascinating flood of intelligent people your post has drawn out here – in itself a demonstration of LOA? There are countless participants we could quote that nail it ever so simply, like sethczerepak and Success Products above, and many many more.



Your post gives the impression you've been grossly misled by what is indeed misleading about "The Secret," i.e. " Ask - Believe - Receive." I think this overriding theme leads people to see only what they want to see about LOA, namely the easy way. Your post shows it in the fact that you complain about the effort you’d need to put forth to get women, as though you expected they should just come somehow magically come to you because you’ve been studying LOA for some time. Likewise, you seem to have missed Napoleon Hill's hammering in "Think and Grow Rich" that you must be willing to sacrifice - pay the price - for what you want. He lays out all the things you have to do and it all spells disciplined, persistent belief, work and effort. And he shows countless examples of people who succeeded because they believed, planned, took action and persevered.


It all boils down to the simplest equations that say “it all begins with you.”
Successproducts above says “nothing can begin without the first thought.” Your thought.


Sethczerepak above says “Most of the people I've met who are frustrated with the LOA have only heard or applied the first half:

“Positive thoughts + positive emotions = prosperity.

“However, the second half is...

“Release from negative emotions through honest expression + massive action = results.”


And before all that, you really need to be READY to give it a chance and do whatever it takes. Hopefully you’ll accept that golden invitation of the generous soul that has offered to mentor you for free, somewhere in this thread.


It is terribly hard to switch your thinking from the current circumstances that you want to improve, to the future circumstances that you want to achieve, but that’s where it begins. Once you can do that, you will be applying the principle of “belief” that you will have what you want; and you then take persistent action until you manifest your dream as physical reality. Spaceflight being one of countless examples.


All the best,
MBDirect

Law of Attraction + Action with confidence = Better chance of success

Even if you don't use law of attraction, but you focus on being honest with yourself and disciplined and focused, you have a better chance of success.

But nothing is for sure in this life. Law of attraction, in my view of it, is there to give you more confidence and belief in what you are doing so you don't give up as easily and you force yourself to think positively.

Positive people are more successful because they don't let doubt cripple them. They don't find every reason a project will fail and give up at the first sign of distress. They find every reason a project will succeed and go ahead with it, even if it's not perfect.

I think you can use law of attraction to turn your thinking around, but you have to actually do something, not just believe it's "magic." It's not magic.

OP just don't put a whole bunch of stock in LOA. Jack Lalanne once said, if you are short don't expect to grow taller, control what you can control. He also said(when asked about prayer), that he think in terms of doing all he can with his body, and, mind to return the favor he was given. He pray when driving his corvette, and, reflecting on his body parts. He prays all the time!!!!

In other words, let the other stuff work itself out.

Another analogy is a sport team goal maybe a championship, but, they only focus on the now. One practice, one game at a time... and, then they let the big goal kind of float out there. Even guys who have Hall Of Fame dreams they let their career playout and focus on that end goal when it comes after their careers.

I think life is hard enough trying to control habits, focus, and, succeed without trying to add something you don't really understand and no one can say for certain whether it works or not. Your life isn't someone elses. All you need to know is what works for you and do that! Write the dream down as a summary, but, not as the base of your life. Live while your living.

Now these things are things you can control....if LOA can provide something outside of normalcy such as; growing bigger hands, feet, height (when over the age of 25), or, at age 90 you can look a youthful 35 years of age all naturally then lets hear it! Something that is actually outside the realm of your own compacity.

well it works, if you understand how it works at a deeper level

Power law of attraction is such a natural approach that it can be applied for any thing, any time, in any circumstances, to manifest anything that you want, in any part of the universe, by anyone.

It works if you believe in it.

How can it work if you make useless thread like this ?

The Law of attraction works, but saying that it "works" is implying that there is a possibility of it not working, as is it were something that was just magically invented.

Although it has been popularized by "The Secret" the law of attraction is a universal law, its like the law of gravity and the law of cause and effect.

The law of gravity doesn't care if you're a good person or a bad person, if two people jump off a building they will both splatter when they hit the ground! So the law of gravity is impersonal, just like the law of attraction is impersonal.

The law of attraction was oversimplified in the media and in "The Secret", misleading people that do not understand the concepts of quantum physics and metaphysics. Meta- the Greek word meaning beyond...and physics. So metaphysics is defined as "beyond the physical".

...you have to take action. As the Quakers say "As you pray move your feet".

What was the situation with the van? What was the source?

You are leaving out the details. And it is the details us skeptics are looking for.

Finding junk in your yard does not impress anyone.

I believe life is meant to be something of a puzzle. If we had a complete map with all the answers, life would get rather boring - and pretty fast. LOA has become a peculiar phenomenon in that the principles seem to originate from various sources. If one chooses one source and sticks with its specific regimen, success can be achieved. Attuning the self is very subtle business; it's like creating and coordinating several ripples in a pond all at once!

Well said. And combine the many sources and one approaches divine truth.

It does work my friend, seems to me that your mere questioning it has led to you building a resistance against it.

I was like you for a long time until I stopped looking for proof and just went with it.

I knew of it for many years but it was not right for me at that given time. Your time may not be right now, just letting go can often lead to better results.

I wish you well

it works for me.

The Law of Attraction is explained in a more "down to earth" manner within The Law of Success, and is presented more realistically by Dr. David Hawkins.

I don't know whether to clap for you or just to agree with you it seems the whole book packet had a few fantasies. Did you forget the part about putting yourself in the way of these services like transport etc

Law of attraction is amazing. Work if you believe in it or you are not believe in law of attraction.

If you want that will work for own good, must know how the law of attraction actualy work.

You must go deeper and deeper. I highly recommend series of 14 Cd's from Kevin Trudeau Your Wish Is Your Command. This cd series is recorded on live webinar, he speaks very in deep about law of attraction, about The Secret...

I did not read every post on here before I am posting this. My friend because something did not work for you does not mean it does not work. As for think and grow rich, I have to wonder if you read the same book I was reading because it clearly does not talk about just envisioning to me. I actually points out that several never succeed because of lack of action.

Regardless of that point do you know the list of people who have made it rich after reading that one book and contribute their success as starting with reading that one book.

As a sales trainer and still a salesperson in many ways I have used these principles with success. Sometimes it is in the application, also in some cases your path is merely a different one to success. If there was one that worked for everyone there would only be one book written to cover it all.


Any one method can only be used properly of one relates to it and becomes one with it. Often we all have to search until we find the one method that gels with us completely. It was not these books for you, it may be another or none at all it may be exactly as you said, simple busting your rear to get yours. Everyone does their time before success tho, be it in mind or in physical the time is still spent as well as the effort before success is met. Even nepolean hill spent I think it was 20 years of study and almost broke before his success.

This law is simular to the law of faith. However faith without works is dead. I dont think any author I have read that says to use the law of attraction says that I all you need. I know the book I read that you read "think and grow rich" does not say that at all. It outlines sevarl things you need including action.

We have same problem, i'm now can't even focus for my school.
Everyday just booring and full of doubt day. Am I depressed or what?

It doesn't work by itself. You need a compelling vision, good enough reasons to do it and take massive action. Just thinking doesnt do it.

It has been like frantically searching for an item in a dark room. We have been hitting ourselves on chairs, tables, fridges etc.

We need some light --- focused light to find what we want in this dark room.

Let us look at the issue from another angle.

Why does the Law of Attraction fail to work for some people?

What is it that they are not doing in order to succeed?

Sounds like it went completely over your head. The mind is powerful if you believe and exercise your mind to work in a certain way then yes you will achieve the things you visualize by taking action.

Works me me

You missed the whole point in those books. What has been your definite purpose that you have been striving to achieve for the last 5 years? You don't even need to answer because from reading your words you do not have a definite specific purpose that you have had laser focus on. Have you been using the 6th step to wealth creation daily? Judging from your words, no. Follow the lessons and it will work for you.

Wow Darkwoods!

Amazingly you created a topic of controversy, and reading the threads is pretty interesting. Seems that you are debating the whole world - and your point is that success primarily has to do with action and nothing to do with Law of Attraction...

Emm.. first of all, I am a strong believer of Law of Attraction (nothing to do with spiritual believes), and on the contrary from scientific evidences.

Our emotional states and physio states are highly related. A lot of research has been done in this area, and if you read Daniel Goleman's works on Emotional Intelligence. Clinical studies have been done and proven that a person with a high EQ will have a higher chance of success. And EQ is deeply related to physio status, aka actions. This Emotional Quotient relates to how your mind works when you face issues, challenges etc. And if you state of mind is negative, positive actions CANNOT happen.

And you have to know that there are also other universal laws that goes along with LOA - they are greatly inter-related. E.g. the Law of Harmony, Law of Health, Law of Compensation etc. These Laws do not work alone, just like in IM, you can create a beautiful, good keyword site, but do not do any backlinks; and your Google ranking may not be there - are you to say that keyword is BS?... I guess not.

Basic believe is Law of Supply, which primarily is believing in abundance. It will change the way you interact with people, and the outcome of your success. Also, believe in Law of Compensation, which means you need to "invest" and "give" before you reap.

A mentor once told me, "Alan, if you come across someone who shows you the way; even the most difficult and impossible mission can be a breeze."
This is to say that you should seek to attract people who is willing and can help you.

It does not really matter whether you believe in LOA - it is just a name and comes in many forms. Importantly, understand who you are right now, and who you seek to be - understand the gap, and understand what it takes for you to reach there. Not merely in terms of actions and plans, but "who you really are", and "are you willing to go through the pain (process) in order to enjoy the fruits of your success later..." - and I will not be surprised that for some, they would rather not go through the pain.

I agree that the Law of Attraction does work but your thought and actions have to agree and work together. You must put an effort into achieving your goals. If you want a successful business you must know wholeheartedly that you will have a successful business and also work hard to make that business dream into a reality. Success, Money, Love etc just don't appear out of the blue for most people you have to take action. You also must believe without any doubts in your dreams. If you allow doubt to settle in then you are allowing your negative thoughts to win (you attract what you think about). Therefore if you are working to achieve your goals but at the same time thinking "This will never happen" then you are allowing your negative thoughts to become your reality. Every successful person has failed, every rich person has lost money, everyone in love has been heart broken so even bad things happen to you know that you will rise above the situation and you will be successful. Never give up on your dreams! You don't want to get to the end of your life and regret that you never fully pursued your dream! When you fail pick yourself back up and keep going! Successful people did not give up when they failed they picked themselves up and kept pursuing their dreams, that's what we all must do. Remember if someone else could do it (ie be rich, have a successful business, great career, love, happiness, & inspire others) than so can you.

The law of attraction does work. It works like magic. I have done experiment after experiment and attract all sorts of things into my life. Action really is not required for it to work! But it is required for 99% of people because they believe that without action they can not manifest what they need.

I admit that you can not manifest being on the beach when you are locked inside your house. What works well for me is moving towards your goal while knowing you have reached it already.

I have made all sorts of things "come" to me. As in they appear in my life in a fashion where I could not avoid it. The Secret makes the LOA seem so simple but in reality you need a very strong belief to manifest at will.

I have been heavily involved with the LOA the last say 5-6 years. When I say heavily I mean there is not a day when I do not read something about the LOA. I tried it and failed to manifest anything for the first year. I was too desperate and lacked belief.

If you are serious about using the LOA I advise that you manifest something small and common. My first manifestation was an apple. I wanted a apple to come to me in one way or another. I did not want to buy one or see one in a common area.

The apple came to me in a way I could not avoid. I do not want to go into details but it was a "breakthrough" for me in the LOA that made my belief level go up to a level that was never possible without manifesting the apple.

From there I worked my way up with other small common items that all manifested. Then I manifested something huge that was simply incredible and life changing.

I will admit I do not use the LOA to manifest money usually because im too busy manifesting my "huge huge goal" which I consider much more important than money. I can only visualize so much per night

But here's the basic formula:

1. Visualize in first person with all senses involved right before you fall asleep at night. "Live and experience" the end goal as if it was real. Smell it, touch it, see it, hear it etc.

2. Play emotional music during this visualization and get as emotional as possible. Make it your "victory music" or whatever really makes you feel emotional and get goosebumps.

3. Do this for 5-20 mins every night before bed. Feel free to take a few days off and never make it a chore.

4. Don't look for your manifestation. Instead move towards it in the best possible non desperate way you know possible. Almost like you would move towards taking a vacation. You know it will happen and you simply prepare for it.

5. Just know that the act of visualizing alone will bring your manifestation to you eventually. Realize it could happen today or months down the road. The bottom line is it will manifest and already has manifested.

That's my basic formula. You must know whatever you want to manifest will manifest. Also I find writing down your manifestation in a journal helps too.

This all takes practice and I suggest manifesting small items first. When you see how they come to you belief starts to build to a level that's not possible without this. I still have trouble manifesting some things myself so im not an expert. But I have manifested dozens of things without any action except visualizing and moving towards my manifestation the best way I know possible.

Hope this helps and sorry for any errors in my writing as I don't have time to proof read right now

Well you also have to release the thoughts from your mind. Meditate. Of course nothing happens if you do not TAKE ACTION.

Great write up by the way. I agree with what you say. Possitive attitude is just the start. IT TAKES WORK.

I've been subscribed to Randy Gage on Youtube for a while. He's right into all this stuff and I find him very good at teaching. He has been a student of prosperity for years and he points out that what brings it into reality is action. Action bridges the gap between metaphysical and real-world.

I think some of the Secrect might be about programming your mind yourself, consciously, rather than letting it be programmed by your environment automatically.

If you visualize the goal, you have put that image into your mind on purpose. Works for athletes apparently.

Maybe do the Secret thing with women and money, but asking yourself the question, "What do I have to do to get that?". You might get the answer, a hunch etc, which you then act on. Action.

To get a different result, you have to take different action. Expecting anything else is, apparently, insanity.

Randy has a book that explains the 7 universal laws. One is cause and effect. The effect is you are healthy. You cause it by eating right and exercising.

I guess it works with women and money that way. You have to do whatever it takes to make yourself attractive to them. What cause will bring the effect? Might be a CB book on pheremones, who knows.

Which brings you back to...it's really up to you to produce your own results because no-one is gonna hand you the keys to a Lambo or a beachfront mansion. Become a real estate investor and at least you're in with a chance. You can't win Lotto without a ticket.

The Law of Attraction is only one half of the most supreme Law in this universe. And that law is balance. I know there are people that would say that Love is the supreme Law and it is true that the Law of Love and the Law of Light is superior to the Law of Attraction and the Law of Balance, but those laws are not of this universe. They sometimes shine through a little crack and that's it!

As the Law of Attraction is only one half of the Law of Balance we have a problem. Every thing has a price. What ever I get from the Law of Attraction I have to pay back some day. Some call it karma because they don't really know what it is - then it goes religious even though it isn't.

The only thing in this universe that comes for free is the Love and the Light that comes through the cracks.

If you find the center of your own being you also find this law of Balance. It works inside as well as outside of us. And if you go even deeper you find the Law of Love and the Law of Light.

Sounds spooky and religious right? Well it ain't. Every body can experience it if they have the persistence - it only takes half a life :-) But it's worth it :-)

And the Mind... The best thing you ca do about your Mind is to forget it. Completely! The Mind can't attract any thing!

The law of attraction is hard for people to believe in because most people believe we live in a physical universe. Well, that is not the case at all, and it has been proven by science that we are vibrational and everything in existence is nothing more than a vibrational frequency. When you look at the world in that way, as it really is, the law of attraction makes a lot more sense.

The people that believe ACTION is the key to making things happen obviously aren't paying much attention to their THOUGHTS prior to, during, and after they take the action. When you're feeling lazy, your thoughts are of a much different nature than when you are productive and taking action. It is the thoughts that create the action. If you focus your thoughts on a particular goal for long enough, and believe with all your heart that you can achieve that goal, you WILL take action. If you believe that action is the key, then you are just not very aware of your thoughts, which is completely normal. Becoming extremely aware of your thoughts and emotions is the first step to making the law of attraction work in your favor.

If you have any doubt, start studying the most successful people in the world. You will find they all have one thing in common: an intense focus on a particular goal and absolute belief that they can achieve it.

Positive thinking will make law of attraction work.

It's stupid that anyone thought LoA "would work" in the first place. Are people that intellectually lazy and desperate?

LoA is great along w/ programming your mind, studying the science of happy, BUT it takes ACTION to see real results. LoA is ONE tool, ONE part of the process of real results.

Do carpenters get all pissy and say golly gee, my nice design and blueprints I though of haven't transformed into a nice house! Gee, I bought a hammer but the house isn't built yet!!!

People need to quit being such lazy entitled lemmings to put any stock in just thinking of something (usually just selfish BS to boot) will make it magically appear.

I find it good that there are many of these idiots out there. It makes it easier to sell them stuff and compete against them.

Belief is where many people fail... Understanding is where people will succeed.

The Secret was misinterpreted and very vague. Little explanation and meaning is given and people are left with belief.

The law of attraction is also very difficult to give a define explanation. Due to metaphysics being heavily influenced by probable interference and the mental response of others.


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I think it can only work as a guide which helps encourage you. Maybe the idea is just that you can attain anything you can visualize attaining, which can be anything. But, maybe the authors forget to say that just doing this is only the very beginning stage, that you must put in a lot of work to bring your visualizations to fruition!

I feel the same way as you, at least for the most part. I do believe in an infinite intelligence but I don't believe that it "brings" anything to people. My beef with this whole secret, law of attraction crap is that it has really convinced people that they don't have to work hard to succeed. People believe that they can just think and things will fall into place. But we know that to be nonsense. By using visualization and the various auto-suggestion techniques, what does happen is that ideally, a person would become success conscious and see opportunities which they didn't see before.

In terms of infinite intelligence, properly interpreted, infinite intelligence describes that part of the mind of man that knows how to acquire knowledge from unknown sources. Ever notice that when you concentrate obsessively on a problem, an answer eventually appears from out of nowhere? By using infinite intelligence, a person can use their mind to gather ideas and knowledge to which they wouldn't have access. This is why Napoleon Hill emphasized concentration as being a key principle to success.

I'm gonna tell you like this. When I high on the law of attraction hype, I got nowhere in life. I actually moved backwards. But after I let that crap go and became pragmatic and logical about my approach towards success, I've been on a steady path.

BIG Desire + Positive Thinking + Action = Results.

I've had mixed experiences with the LOA. I think the hardest part, in my opinion, is letting go of the "metaphysical" aspect of it all. If you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever it takes to get it, right? I think this is really the core of what the law of attraction is. We just mess up the process by adding all of these extra metaphysical aspects that make us feel doubt and frustration. In my own personal experience, it was hard for my brain to really grasp the idea of the things I want just suddenly making their way into my life. That made me doubt the process and as a result, doubt the prospect of my goal becoming a reality. If you take that away and just focus on visualizing your goal, creating a plan and taking action - you'll find success every time. You still need to get rid of doubt though.

Law of attraction is misconceived by many people, who think it is basically a form of wish fulfillment.

The latest research in neuroscience has shown that 97-99% of our perceptions, feelings, behaviors as well as our beliefs, values, and habits reside in our subconscious mind. That means in order to reprogram yourself for anything you wish to attract and change your current realities, it is critical to access the subconscious mind and change your thoughts, feelings, behaviors, beliefs, perceptions, emotions, and habits that will result in taking relevant actions in a daily life.

This is where the power of attraction comes up.

Your all experiencing the LoA as we speak.. Misunderstanding it too

Its obvious your current thoughts are affecting what your next action might be. It would be ignorant to believe that those possible actions will cause reactions..

Whether these reactions echo back to us Emotionally or physically tomorrow or 10 years down the road. The fact is,, SOMEBODY or SOMETHING caught that echo and is echoing the same vibration you put off. Whether You or somebody else steps into that echo later, it will in turn continue to echo and effect the world around its minor influence.


The concept to time travel in TV and Movies point out that changing something silly from the past can vastly change the outcome of the future. The same concept except we have to look in the future about the possibilities of our actions.

The reason it is hard to believe in the law of attraction for most people is because they believe in causality, that is that actions cause results. In reality, there is no time but now, therefore causality is an impossibility. Really, everything is manifesting at this very moment as a result of our thoughts/level of consciousness (energy). The illusion of causality is a result on our senses and our linear way of thinking. The non-linear domain is impossible for the ego to comprehend, and so there can never be a satisfactory explanation for how the law of attraction works or the universe in general. The best way to describe it is that everything is in a continuous evolution and the mind is continuously creating. Just because the results show up "later" does not mean that you aren't creating it "now."

If you are serious about spiritual development and understanding these things, then reading the work of David Hawkins is a must. It's only for the serious student and you must be open minded, but it is life changing stuff. Start with Power Vs. Force

The Law of Attraction works or not depending on your beliefs.

It is as simple as this:

"The ONLY thing you can CONTROL absolutely are your thoughts, make them good ones!"

EVERYTHING you have right now in your life is a result of your thinking and the thoughts you were having.

No it is not magic, BUT the fact is that ANYTHING starts with a thought.

It is as easy to think "How can i make $10 today?" as "How can i make $10,000 today?"

The RESULTS you get will be down to the belief you have for each statement and the ACTION you take fueled by that belief.

If the belief is lacking and then so will action.

The Law of Attraction is EXACTLY what you think it is and you can use it by matching your thoughts to obtain higher feelings and taking better actions.

Last thing look at your results - if they are not what you want change your thoughts.

Chris

The best thing is Believe in God. And do what you love. The point is Life is easy when you have someone to look after. A hope.

Read this about LoA and Action - http://tiny.cc/vexking

Beliefs are a VERY powerful tool when it comes to long term success. Faith will carry you through the hard times of fear and despair. Visualization helps reinforce belief.... This is the law of attraction summed up, without all of the mystical jargon.

I believe that LOA works. I also believe that it's the same thing that other self help gurus since the 70's have been teaching, but in a new age wrapper.

Take away the mysticism, and you're left with NLP, Tony Robbins, and Brian Tracy.

The secret really did people a disservice by only focusing on one small part of the equation...It was sort of like they told people "hey if you want to build a house all you have to do is draw up a blueprint". While yes it is true that if you want to build a house you do have to have a blueprint to work from but you will also need the skills and materials necessary to actually manifest the object into physical reality.

The key point of all of this law of attraction stuff is that ANYTHING THAT IS MANIFESTED IN YOUR PHYSICAL REALITY STARTS WITH AN IDEA. It starts as an idea that you then cultivate into an ideal which eventually evolves into a central theme that your entire life is orchestrated around. You have to put in serious internal work to construct this central theme and get all facets of your life operating around it. I think the biggest failure of the secret and other "mystical" BS is that they convinced people that completely overhauling your entire life was easy when in fact it is the most challenging task that you will ever undertake....You have to first get over yourself and get out of your own way before you can ever accomplish anything. You have to become a new person and revamp your entire life. You have to live it every single second of every single day because as soon as you get comfortable...just as soon as you step back and slack off just a little bit, you will slip right back into your old ways of thinking. As long as you are moving towards your goal, your ideal life situation, you are successful. As soon as you stop advancing, changing, growing, and making progress...you have failed and accepted defeat.

It's called a law for a reason. These laws state many things. It's a law that if I lift weights regularly I WILL become more muscular. It is a law that if I eat healthy food and workout then I will feel better and be slimmer. Just the same that it is an ABSOLUTE LAW that if you focus on your dreams and ARE WILLING TO PAY THE PRICE of achieving them (learning the skills, reading the books, going to the seminars, DOING THE WORK) then it will manifest in your reality.

Of course you can't sit there and dream about something and it will happen...GET REAL! Yes think about what you want and then come up with a practical application that will enable you to obtain it in this dimension. You have to extrapolate what you want from the imagination and pursue it in actual physical reality...The secret is leaving people lost in their imaginations sitting there wondering why they aren't getting closer to their goals...it's because you aren't moving toward it.

A good book that was written that explains the law of attraction very well was "What would napoleon hill do" and it was put together by two of his chief editors and they break down all of his teachings into practical, actionable forms and explain everything so that these misinterpretations can be put to rest. Be logical, be practical...don't try to take the easy way out because the real secret is like Brian Tracy says "the real secret is that there is no secret".

In summary, the law of attraction only works when you do.

Your attention is what attracts (or creates) your experiences.

You're too focused on contrast to see that what you're focusing on IS your experience.

Mark

P.S. I didn't read anyone's responses. I just FINALLY felt compelled to click on this thread - after seeing it a few times.

This. I think when LOA "works," it's not really LOA that's working. When people visualize themselves doing or getting or achieving, and then they do it, it's because they shifted their focus, attention, and the outpouring of their energy away from "if I can do this," and toward "how I can do this."

I think what LOA says it is and what it actually is are two different things. LOA (as I understand it) states basically that all the universe is energy, and like energy attracts like circumstances. The practical outworking of this is essentially that you need to believe you can do something before you can do it (oversimplification). But, those things are really independent of one another. You can accomplish things just by believing you can, acting like you can, and then working hard without subscribing to LOA, and it really doesn't have anything to do with the aforementioned laws of energy and whatnot. All this to say, what's really being taught here is pragmatism. Like Jason said, wrap it up in whatever you want, because it doesn't have anything to do with the 'mystic' side of it.

The more frustrating thing for me is that there's an implication here that your success and your circumstances are all on you. To allude to the earlier point that you can wrap this personal philosophy in any wrapper, perhaps you've heard of Joel Olsteen. He claims to be coming from a Biblical perspective, but his teachings are very centered around the idea of "total victory" for the individual in all areas--health, finances, success, etc. He often points to words as having the power to achieve these things for you--you can only lay hold of these if you claim them! And yes, we can see to a degree that you're more likely to fail if you think you can't succeed. You're more likely to feel bad and think you're dying if you act like a hypochondriac and think you're chronically sick. But what happens when you are generally positive (regardless of your faith/philosophy of choice, since LOA would claim you're practicing it whether you believe in it or not, if I'm not mistaken), and bad things happen anyway? If you believe that the Infinite Intelligence (to borrow a term mentioned previously in the thread) responds only to your own stimuli, then what does that mean? It means that you are doing something wrong. You're not believing hard enough. Your energy is bad. You're not claiming your rightful victory zealously enough. "But I was trying so hard!" Well, apparently not, or you wouldn't have failed. You wouldn't have gotten sick. And as beliefs are a powerful thing, that can begin to reinforce crappy and untrue self-beliefs.

And I think that's the danger of wrapping a pragmatic philosophy in mystical stuff. Whether pragmatism is the best overall worldview to adopt or not, we know that it is limited. Doing your best to eliminate negative thinking, focusing on useful "how" questions instead of useless "if" questions, and backing your fervent desires with fervent work, those are all awesome things. But we know that sometimes they don't work, or something completely outside of our control happens. That doesn't mean we are doing something wrong in our visualization or beliefs, it means sometimes bad things just happen for reasons that are beyond our human perspective.

In conclusion, I think these pragmatic principles have their place and their proper scope, and they ought not be confused with something different.

There is no ATTRACTION!, I don't belive that but "You get what you focus on"

Here is a simple trick.
Close your eyes and say red,red,red,red,red,red,red,red and open your eyes.
You'll see all the red objects on your arraound. But if you want to see more red objects you have to go out, because you can't ATTRACT them by just visiualizing...

Dark woods read infinite possibilities by Mike Dooley. You have contradicting thoughts that are beating out the good ones think of a scale how does it work? We think about 65000 thoughts a day maybe some of those are not good hmmm?..