Holosync and PerfectMeditation

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Hi there!

I read on an old page the discussion about advantages and disadvantages of the different entrainment programs. Some of the people are using different programs at the same time - does it work without problems, though the programs are different (PerfectMeditation says, they are using the deep carrier frequencies from the beginning)?
I´m thinking about using PerfectMeditation und Holosync perhaps in an dayly alternate way - PerfectMeditation appears stronger to me but the Holosync-offer with the recorded affirmations sounds really interesting.
What are your experiences or advices?
(Excuse my bad english...)
#entrainment #hemisync #holosync #meditation #perfectmeditation
  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Holosync all the way. I've used it for 8 months now and the results are amazing. I no longer get stressed out, I'm more assertive and happier inside. It does take some effort not to fall asleep (which they say is fine) but if you stick to it you wil see a difference. Just remember it is a marathon, not a sprint, do not expect results overnight and you WILL most likely experience some emotional upheaval in your first few weeks. their support for this is top notch. It is the best program for self-improvement period.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
      I've only use paraliminals, and that's all I needed. In fact, I only needed one paraliminal program and I only had to listen to it about 10-15 times before it had a dramatic effect on my productivity and my confidence.

      My advice is just to pick one and go with it. See what happens. You aren't going to know until you try.
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  • Profile picture of the author NamuMyohoRengeKyo
    Wow. You might get as many replies as there are people who bother to write. I have done both - and both for short periods so I'm not representing myself as a self-contained control group. Centerpoint pissed me off so badly with their bad karma Bill Harris advertising that after 5 months I sent my CDs back and demanded they return my money back - which funds they did return. 8 years later, wary, I started Perfect Meditation. Now this has been a much different, much better experience. I am working with Michael, the owner I think, to have a custom mask-sound version made for my use that uses Nichiren Buddhism O'daimoku chanting with the singing bowls and Gyoto monks instead of his other options that do not fit with my non-binaurial practice 1. Tibetan (Om Mani Padme Humm) masking sounds, 2. The Dali Lama reciting the Heart Sutra and 3. the typical white noise rain - wave nature sounds. Right now, until the O'daimoku disks are finished, I'm having to use the Om Mani Padme Humm ones which is disconcerting since immediately after listening I go and do my Nichiren gongyo practice. Anyway, if you have no interest in those (really irrelevant details since none of the sounds affect the frequency they are just masks) just pick whichever one. His standard is the Om Mani Padme Om. Just ask for nature sounds if you think that's what you want but I bet it is NOT what you want because that's what I got from CentrePointe and they are as boring as hell. I never noticed any benefits from Holosynch. Perhaps I was just not ready then. With Perfect Meditation, though I have a huge benefit already: I used to sleep between 12 and 18 hours/day (! half a day at work then back to sleep in bed!). Now I listen to my Perfect Meditation CD an hour in the morning and I sleep soundly as I always did but now I only sleep six or seven hours. I have freed up so much time in my life to get things done! I wish this had happened to me three decades ago. I suggest you just try Perfect Meditation by buying the 2CD level one on eBay. You can usually get it for just $35.00 plus postage.

    So now you have a pro-Holosync, a pro-Paraliminals (which I have used to good result if they are the same Paraliminals I once used that are based on NLP to resolve specific problems - but then if those are they, they are not the ones I obtained benefits from years ago) and this Perfect Meditation recommendation. I've used all three, I think. Holosync I found a waste of time and money. Paraliminals I found useful for generating new behavior patterns, Perfect Meditation I find is the best answer as an "electronic meditation system." And of course. I do meditate in Real Life, traditional practice.

    HTH IMO YMMV
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  • Profile picture of the author NamuMyohoRengeKyo
    PS Perfect Meditation feels stronger to me. Do not take two systems and alternate them one day this/next day the other. Pick one and stick with it. Subliminals are a crock of s***. You gain nothing from them. Nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author X
      I agree that subliminals are a farce. Even if they
      worked, they're "programs" and every program is
      a limitation - one of your goals with meditation
      should be to FREE yourself of programs.

      Using a lower carrier wave to start is STUPID -
      it pushes the brain too far too fast. If you've
      been sitting on your butt in a chair for 8 years,
      you don't start of bench pressing 400lbs the
      first time out. It will crush you and starting off
      with lower carrier waves will do the same, resulting
      in high anxiety for most (and/or headaches).

      That's not a claim to make as a better program -
      there's a reason for having levels and anyone
      starting people off with lower carrier waves does
      not know what they're doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author pmore
    Holosync hasn't done much for me. I'm going to look more into paraliminals and isochronic tones.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Muir
    Have any of you tried meditation without the cd's? how long are the programs that you usually listen to
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmylegs
    I posted the following on another thread. Can anyone comment on this:

    I purchased some brain sync cd's a few weeks ago. It seems like this is a reputable company and its founder, Kelly Howell, has a pretty good biography. I listened to these 2 CDs for 2 weeks, alternating every other night. They were great, but now after 2 weeks I am experiencing extreme "upheaval" as the Holosync company would describe it. I think that this has to do with these 2 CD's being deep theta wave soundtracks. Anyway, I'm semi-freaking out. The symptoms appear to be alleviating somewhat, but nonetheless I'm done with this technology. All change must come from ourselves; nothing from the outside is ever permanenet, be it drugs, other people's opinions, or binaural beat technology. Has anyone else had similar experiences?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Kaplan
    Hi folks,

    I am a current Holosync user (about 14 months) but I also use my TM mantra at the same time (took TM along time ago).

    I can't say I have had overwhelming results but I don't judge the experience. I just set time aside to do it which frees me from all the "chatter" out there and I feel very refreshed, less anxious and peaceful for quite some time after each session.

    I am not convinced the subliminals in Holosync work but I do find the binaural beat system has enough results that I keep using it.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Lambert Klein
      I've been wanting to try these, but since I'm almost totally deaf in my left ear, not sure if it would work for me.

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      • Profile picture of the author VMN
        Originally Posted by lklein View Post

        I've been wanting to try these, but since I'm almost totally deaf in my left ear, not sure if it would work for me.

        Lambert
        Hi Lambert..you should try it anyway.
        Meditation may let healing in too!
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      • Profile picture of the author ace123
        Originally Posted by lklein View Post

        I've been wanting to try these, but since I'm almost totally deaf in my left ear, not sure if it would work for me.

        Lambert
        Lambert,

        This thread about deafness and entrainment tracks may help:

        How to use LifeFlow - Project Meditation Community Forum
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        • Profile picture of the author Lambert Klein
          Thanks for that info, I think that I can hear some low frequencies in my left ear. It's hard to tell because I have tinitus in that ear as well.
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          • Profile picture of the author bradles
            Holosync has been fantastic for me! I have been using it for 18 months and I am currently doing Level 3 (there are 12 levels in total).

            It has helped me to overcome a lot of my fears and limitations. I am now much more centrered, relaxed and more confident. One of the major benefits is that it raises your tolerance threshold and you can cope with a lot more stress without getting overwhelmed.

            In the past 12 months I have been able to escape the rat race and have also achieved many of my goals. Holosync has definitely helped me to achieve this!

            You can request a free cd from the holosync website (or you can get one from my website!).

            I highly recommend it to everyone!

            Cheers,

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            • Profile picture of the author Natlex
              hmm old thread but I was wondering if more people had experience with this? I've been trying holosync for about a few months off and on and I really enjoyed how calm I felt the first 2-3 days back when it was only 30 minutes (probably a placebo effect of simply doing meditation which I had not done in any way before). Anyway, 20 days into it and I feel like it's not doing much which makes me skip a few days here and there. Now I want to try lifeflow, I did it for the first time today and it really does seem to be way better for me... I just feel... really calm...

              I see that the lifeflow track is 1 hour so I guess it ends up being the same amount of time as holosync, anyone have suggestions/opinions that used either or both?
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              • Profile picture of the author cynthea
                Originally Posted by Natlex View Post

                hmm old thread but I was wondering if more people had experience with this? I've been trying holosync for about a few months off and on and I really enjoyed how calm I felt the first 2-3 days back when it was only 30 minutes (probably a placebo effect of simply doing meditation which I had not done in any way before). Anyway, 20 days into it and I feel like it's not doing much which makes me skip a few days here and there. Now I want to try lifeflow, I did it for the first time today and it really does seem to be way better for me... I just feel... really calm...

                I see that the lifeflow track is 1 hour so I guess it ends up being the same amount of time as holosync, anyone have suggestions/opinions that used either or both?
                Wow... this has been a really interesting thread, even though it is old. Natlex, thanks for reviving it. I'm going to be very interested to hear if any Warriors have continued w/ either of these products, or if there is feedback from folks who weren't around in 2008 to read this discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author VMN
    I use Holothink; the Deep Zen and Laser Focus Optimizer.
    The Laser focus, even the 10 minute demo makes me feel like I am 16 again!
    They deliver much more than they claim to!
    I would love to promote them..since I am so passionate. I am having problems with competition analysis..10-12 year old domains..etc.
    So, I really need to listed to the download and do some serious meditations for keyword phrases!
    Any ideas for me?

    Victoria

    P.S. This Deep Zen, for myself anyway, is just to relax..and the Optimizer offers energy and focus.
    For metaphysical reasons, I have found that using nothing outside of will power and the white noise form my air conditioner works much better.
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  • Profile picture of the author vpsean
    I used Holosync for around a year and a half and loved it.

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  • Profile picture of the author NaturalSeven
    Holosync Side Effects

    Dizzy
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    Anxious
    Panicked
    Dissociative State
    Unhealthy Sleep Patterns
    Groggy
    Easy to Anger
    Apathetic
    Unmotivated
    Change in Diet/Food Cravings
    Spaced Out
    Distant
    Disconnected

    I felt like a zombie each successive day I participated in the program. The world seemed a million miles away. I couldn't focus or concentrate on what I was doing. I felt stuck in a state of drone, of exile, locked in a mindset that interpreted the world as something foreign and feared. The simple pleasures of touch and feeling were unknown and scary. My thoughts were scattered and unobtainable. I felt myself slipping away, while a consciousness insane was emerging, leaving my sense of self behind.

    If this is what one calls evolution, then insanity is truly their divine. Getting back in touch with your authentic self does not involve feeling mentally ill. It's a welcoming awareness of who you always have been, facing and seeing all that you are, and none of that causes fear, but instead great joy and bliss at the awakening of your fully recognized self.



    Bill Harris and staff will take your money and tell you that feeling like crap is a part of the process to enlightenment; Expand your threshold, entrain your mind to feel stress and anxiety as a way to deal with more; That's the way to spiritual evolution.



    No, no. This is merely a theory, an unproven, non-scientific theory that has brainwashed millions of people to compromise their well-being in the hopes that if you just stick with it, one day you will feel whole and able to handle anything. Just remember, if your body and mind are telling you you are feeling bad, trust yourself, not some douche who has conned millions of people into spending thousands of dollars on a program that makes you believe that if you just stick with it, it will all be worth it.
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