Vicious Pitbull Attack

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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Isn't that an English Bull Terrier?

    EDIT. My mistake, it appears that as they're terriers they are still classed under the Pit Bull banner.

    From what I found anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        Sweetest dogs on the planet. I'm on my second 'rescue.' Joyous creatures!

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        Well it's pretty obvious that chicks dig him. lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Isn't that an English Bull Terrier?

      EDIT. My mistake, it appears that as they're terriers they are still classed under the Pit Bull banner.

      From what I found anyway.
      In the US, pit bull isn't a breed, but rather a classification of breeds, like "hound". In general, there's 4 breeds that are considered pit bulls, and one is the English bull terrier. However, even in the US the aggression has been bred out of the English bull terrier and they are very gentle dogs here.

      The 4 breeds considered pit bulls are:
      ‎English Bull Terrier
      American Pit Bull Terrier
      ‎Staffordshire Bull Terrier
      American Staffordshire Terrier
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        In the US, pit bull isn't a breed, but rather a classification of breeds, like "hound". In general, there's 4 breeds that are considered pit bulls, and one is the English bull terrier. However, even in the US the aggression has been bred out of the English bull terrier and they are very gentle dogs here.

        The 4 breeds considered pit bulls are:
        ‎English Bull Terrier
        American Pit Bull Terrier
        ‎Staffordshire Bull Terrier
        American Staffordshire Terrier
        Thanks Kurt.

        English Bull Terriers don't have a bad rep here at all that I know of. I seem to remember Princess Anne had a couple and I believe, and it may be a Daily Mail article so I can't confirm it but, I believe one of her dogs killed one of the Queens Corgi's. Apart from that, I don't remember them getting a bad press. The act itself may have been better if it'd latched onto Prince Andrew in hindsight but the dog couldn't have known.

        I'm a big dog lover and that includes all dogs of all breeds. I didn't realise what you said about Rotties having such a powerful bite or the locking myth so cheers for that, you and Frank.

        Recently my friend came home and found his English Bull Terrier asleep on his bed, on his back with his head on the pillow! I'll ask him to send me the photo and and I'll post it.

        I'm not entirely certain and I'll need to look it up but I think here a Pit Bull refers to an American Pit Bull Terrier only, rather than the US classification of certain breeds.

        Don't quote me on that though.
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    lol I thought this was going to be some gross out video
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    So did I. LOL. I was a little angry just reading the subject line because of the way people think of these dogs, when most are completely and unfailingly gentle.

    Jeez, it's the OT forum - ya think by now I'd know not to judge a thread by the subject line.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      So did I. LOL. I was a little angry just reading the subject line because of the way people think of these dogs, when most are completely and unfailingly gentle.

      Jeez, it's the OT forum - ya think by now I'd know not to judge a thread by the subject line.
      I think you are right to say most. And I think that most that do attack humans and other dogs have horribly bad owners. Really bad people and should not own a pit bull.

      That being said there is irrefutable evidence and absolutely irrefutable evidence that shows some cases where very calm and well trained Pit Bulls have blown a fuse and attacked innocent people and other dogs and even children with no signs and without provocation.

      That is just a fact. I ve done studies on this and for this breed it is way out of proportion compared to other
      breeds.

      True story : One of my good friends had a Pit bull about 15 years ago . He was aptly named logdog.

      And he was the sweetest dog I have ever met. Just so loving and would lick you all over. I had never met any dog so sweet let alone a pit bull.;

      One day my friend was taking Logdog out on a walk and there was this little terrier passing by. Within a split second Logdog turned a Dr. Jekl and Mr. Hyde and lunged at this poor little dog and killed it instantly breaking its neck.

      The fact is even with the best owners these dogs have DNA that can make them unpredictable.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I think you are right to say most. And I think that most that do attack humans and other dogs have horribly bad owners. Really bad people and should not own a pit bull.

        That being said there is irrefutable evidence and absolutely irrefutable evidence that shows some cases where very calm and well trained Pit Bulls have blown a fuse and attacked innocent people and other dogs and even children with no signs and without provocation.

        That is just a fact. I ve done studies on this and for this breed it is way out of proportion compared to other
        breeds.

        True story : One of my good friends had a Pit bull about 15 years ago . He was aptly named logdog.

        And he was the sweetest dog I have ever met. Just so loving and would lick you all over. I had never met any dog so sweet let alone a pit bull.;

        One day my friend was taking Logdog out on a walk and there was this little terrier passing by. Within a split second Logdog turned a Dr. Jekl and Mr. Hyde and lunged at this poor little dog and killed it instantly breaking its neck.

        The fact is even with the best owners these dogs have DNA that can make them unpredictable.
        Inbreeding can do that to any breed. There's also the fact that if someone knows the dog well enough they can see in a split second that the dog is getting something into its head that shouldn't be there. Munchie had a wild hair, too - but I could see when he was getting there and was ready for him. If your dog is "unpredictable", you don't know your dog well enough.

        As far as your friend's dog - was it vaccinated just before that incident? Vaccines can act just like feeding a dog gun powder can - the toxic metals in the vaccine makes them crazy. I always watched my dogs real careful for a month after I was forced to have rabies vaccines for them. I finally learned not to give the vaccines after the first couple years and have them tested for immunity instead.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

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          As far as your friend's dog - was it vaccinated just before that incident? Vaccines can act just like feeding a dog gun powder can - the toxic metals in the vaccine makes them crazy. I always watched my dogs real careful for a month after I was forced to have rabies vaccines for them. I finally learned not to give the vaccines after the first couple years and have them tested for immunity instead.
          Sal,
          Not really sure the extent of vaccinations. I assume he was. A very lovable dog, really. I guess it was just other dogs around him.

          Btw, I saw two pitbulls being walked down the main highway today.

          They were some of the biggest or widest head Pit Bulls I had ever seen. I thought they were English Bulldogs until I got closer and I said , "damn, those are pit bulls." Their heads were as big as a very large,fat bull dog
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            Sal,
            They were some of the biggest or widest head Pit Bulls I had ever seen. I thought they were English Bulldogs until I got closer and I said , "damn, those are pit bulls." Their heads were as big as a very large,fat bull dog
            If I'm right I think they may have been Bully Pitbulls.

            I've heard some are on steroids but I've not read into them too much.

            They get very big though. Very.



            Google has some good images of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
          [QUOTE=HeySal;9844765...
          As far as your friend's dog - was it vaccinated just before that incident? Vaccines can act just like feeding a dog gun powder can - the toxic metals in the vaccine makes them crazy. I always watched my dogs real careful for a month after I was forced to have rabies vaccines for them. I finally learned not to give the vaccines after the first couple years and have them tested for immunity instead.[/QUOTE]

          Sal, you must have been living in an area where problems were much less prominent if you only had to have your pets tested. Unfortunately, we don't..all kinds of big problems that can affect dogs have moved into our area, probably in the last 15 years. That we live by a lot of wooded area probably doesn't help.

          One thing my vet office did tell me was that they don't provide the more cheaply-made medications and immunizations. It's highly possible that cheaper (imported--??) stuff could be one of the reasons dogs have bad reactions. I have no idea what government controls are in effect for animal meds, if any.

          Since my pup was little, she has to get the kennel cough vax and now, one more additional vax than usual--she was a rescue and came home with kennel cough. Now she can get it out of the blue, so she gets a yearly shot. That shot probably saves another two trips to an expensive vet.

          She's a beautiful sweet girl at home, and so far, we have never had a bad reaction. That, of course, doesn't mean other animals won't. I just wonder if it is because of the more expensive meds they provide. I'm not saying it is, just wondering.
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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

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        The fact is even with the best owners these dogs have DNA that can make them unpredictable.
        That is not an established fact. Research into it points to the contrary.Troublemakers - The New Yorker
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

          That is not an established fact. Research into points to the contrary.Troublemakers - The New Yorker
          You are correct. Pitts and Rotties are most often used for fights because of their locking jaws. They are not inherently vicious, though - although they are inherently more able to kill when provoked than most breeds.

          Shepards bite more often - but aren't as damaging. Small breeds are more likely to bite, but they don't often incur much damage due to their size. Can't remember which of those little guys bite most but one of those little breeds bites more often than any other breed, period. Somehow I remember the daschound, but I"m sure that's not right.

          Giant breeds are more likely to be owned by people that own the breeds just for "macho" purposes and they do not raise them well at all. When I had rotties, you'd not believe how many people would stop us to tell me how big and mean their rotties or mastiffs were. When they did, I'd just tell them that my boy was ultra tough and had saved a lot of lives S&R. Anyway - too many people get these dogs for the wrong reason, and those are the ones that usually end up with vicious dogs. There's also a fact that these dogs are owned by people who keep them in yards instead of with the family - and that can make them crazy. Working class dogs are extremely pack oriented and have to be with the family to be sane and happy.

          All in all - violation of the animals normal social propensities is the usual reason a gentle giant will bite. Little dogs bite, because mostly, they are defensive because of their small size, and also because of owners that excuse bad behavior because the animal is small enough that the dipsticks that own them don't take them seriously when they are aggressive. The little dogs are just fortunate enough to not cause reportable damage as often when they bite because of that small size.
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            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            You are correct. Pitts and Rotties are most often used for fights because of their locking jaws.
            These dogs do NOT have 'locking' jaws. This is a very popular misconception, What they do have the highest level of bite pressure which makes it seem as if their jaws lock, but anatomically, there is no such ability.

            Cheers. - Frank
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              These dogs do NOT have 'locking' jaws. This is a very popular misconception, What they do have the highest level of bite pressure which makes it seem as if their jaws lock, but anatomically, there is no such ability.

              Cheers. - Frank
              That's correct, there's no such thing as "locking jaws". Rotties have highest bite pressure of any breed, even more than pit bulls.
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          • Profile picture of the author hamellr
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            You are correct. Pitts and Rotties are most often used for fights because of their locking jaws.
            No, they do not have locking jaws at all. That is a myth that came out of the September 1981 Sports Illustrated. The same article that is being credited with making Pit Bulls, once the most common dog and the symbol of the United States, into one of the most feared dogs.

            Pit Bulls are used for fights because they are extremely human friendly and eager to do anything to please their owner. The owners will also physically inspect each dogs for things like sharpened teeth, metal claws, and other "illegal" modifications before the fight starts to make sure it's fair.

            Their eagerness to please is why pit bulls are incredibly easy to train, if you know how to do so properly. Unfortunately most people do not know how to do so properly. I've had 50+ dogs in my life time, trained some of them extremely well. But until I adopted a pit bull, I didn't really know how to train an dog properly. Hint, don't feed it scraps from the table. Don't feed it at the same time or before you eat. Don't let it on furniture at all. Don't let it jump up on anyone. Make sure it walks on your left side, not your right side, and correct it when it's pulling ahead of you. If you're walking with multiple people, make sure it's always to the left or behind at least one person. All of those are signs of dominance which will lead to it doing something you're going to regret at a later time.

            This is one of the reasons we don't go dog parks any more. Everyone else's untrained animals are causing issues and starting fights. Yet the Pit Bull is going to get the blame.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    The wide headed Pit Bulls also could have been a mastiff mix.

    These guys can look like very large Pit Bulls
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perro_de_Presa_Canario
    (now that I think about it, I saw a female who was about the same size as a Pit Bull can be.)

    The Belgian Malinois - commonly a Police dog - have the same PSI grip as Pit Bulls.
    And, they hold like a Pit.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian..._Dog_(Malinois)

    I think with Pits, and any other dogs, it's nature, nurture, inbreeding, meds, toxins, and perhaps
    medical conditions.

    My last Husky had a cancerous tumor in his nose. When this happens, they usually die within a year. My guy made it 3 years after diagnosis - just using a combo of Piroxicam (non-steroidal anti inflammatory) and Cephalexin (antibiotic). They used to try to remove such tumors by removing the nose bone, but my vet had seen that and thought it inhumane and very gross. Anyhow, as time progressed he probably had pain from the tumor and developed a hair trigger reaction (I think to protect his already sore nose) to other dogs when they tried to hump him, or use their paws in a dominant way. (He never did like that, but it went to zero tolerance as he got older. Age could have been a factor as well as the tumor.)

    I've known of several Pits who were just plain dog aggressive without provocation. One couple at a
    shop I delivered auto parts to had to bring their male Pit to work because he could never be alone
    with their other dogs. Another guy I know was remodeling a restaurant and his Pit just charged through both double doors after a dog that happened to be walking about 50 feet from the restaurant. Other breeds can just be dog aggressive as well (my dog and I were charged at by two St. Bernards just walking by the store their owners owned), but I have had more exposure to Pit Bulls that are dog aggressive. (It might be because almost every 20something in these parts who has a dog, has a Pit or Pit mix.)

    Due to stupid humans, I do not like off leash dogs. It's legal in Breckenridge, CO for dogs to be off
    leash and my dog and I were charged at numerous times. And, the owners have said words I've come to hate, "Oh, she's just playing.", because they could not see their dogs face as it's running away from
    them towards us with teeth bared.



    end rant because the Chamomile Tea is taking effect and it's time to go back to sleep.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Animal Planet has had a couple of shows about pit bull rescues that I watched, Pit Bulls and Paroles and Pit Boss...One thing about pit bulls is they have an amazing ability to over-come abuse. I've known dogs that have been abused and they never really recovered. On the other hand, pit bulls can be fought, abused, neglected, starved and beaten, but give them some love and attention and they seem to bounce back really well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      That's great.

      Contentment at its very best.

      No need for this dog to fight for his place in the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    This seems to be a thorough article about the breeds:
    Pit Bull Rescue Central
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    For some reason I want to clarify. The dogs we're discussing don't have locking jaws per se, but they have the tendency and ability to grab, hold their grip, and can hold for a long time. I know of one incident in a Denver area bark park where a Pit or Pit mix was stabbed by the other dog owner to get him to release from the other dog. If I recall correctly, the owner was exonerated.

    I saw a training tape of a Belgian Malinois that was holding onto the protected arm of the trainer and not letting go while the trainer was doing 360s.

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