A New Badass Router, What A Difference

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I was in Office depot a few days back and I noticed some new expensive routers, up to 250 bucks. They all claimed to increase the speed of your wireless connection as well as the range and the connectivity. Had not really considered this before. Well, went home and researched them. The Netgear Nighthawk was the one I decided on, So, went and bought it and installed it last night. This thing is huge, about 3 times the width and depth of my older Netgear one with three badass aerials sticking out the back.

Easy to setup. Well, wirelessly, I was able to connect all devices at the 5 mhz band, not possible before, it actually auto adjusts depending on your activity online.

Wirelessly, the connection has gone up from under 30 mbs per second to 53 per second. Really noticable. Wireless is always slower than plugged in. Plugged in wow, never though you could improve on that but it has, get a line of youtube vids and click on each one in turn, they all start up immediately, what a revelation.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

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      Guilty to an extent where computer stuff is concerned. I don't sit there drooling about how beautiful they look, like Frank does though, just about what you can do with them and the faster the better, Cant stand smart phones or tablets though.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        I don't sit there drooling about how beautiful they look, like Frank does though, just about what you can do with them and the faster the better,
        Performance by itself is great. Beauty alone can feed the soul. A perfect blend of maximum performance and astounding beauty - isn't that what makes life worth living?

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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Guilty to an extent where computer stuff is concerned. I don't sit there drooling about how beautiful they look, like Frank does though,
        Please - I spend 8 to 10 hours a day at one or the other of my workstations. In the end, as long as my technical needs are met, I couldn't care less how they looked. That said, if I'm going to spend that much time at a machine, nothing wrong with having it double as art. I am an art lover.

        Speed is nice, but every piece of equipment I have is much faster than me - and, you. When I want speed that I can actually relate to in human terms - I jump in the Bimmer, which sounds like a pretty good idea, right about, now! :-)

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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          Please - I spend 8 to 10 hours a day at one or the other of my workstations. In the end, as long as my technical needs are met, I couldn't care less how they looked. That said, if I'm going to spend that much time at a machine, nothing wrong with having it double as art. I am an art lover.

          Speed is nice, but every piece of equipment I have is much faster than me - and, you. When I want speed that I can actually relate to in human terms - I jump in the Bimmer, which sounds like a pretty good idea, right about, now! :-)

          Toodles. - Frank
          You already answered my quip in post 10. Is this a supplemental comment or senility creeping in?
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            You already answered my quip in post 10. Is this a supplemental comment or senility creeping in?
            Since I can't recall the former, I'm afraid that it's the latter. :-(

            Sorry for the tardy response. I went for a drive. It's 90º, beautiful blue skies with patchy clouds and not much to do, today. Definitely not an 8 to 10 hour long day. I think this puppy's over.

            Hey, I have a question for you. It appears that my client is going to spring for the Tricaster mini, broadcasting system. He just sent a $25k quote over to his leasing company. (I am a silver-tongued devil.)

            My question is, to do live, HD streaming, do I need any fancy-shmanzy cable modems or routers to assure a glitch-free broadcast, or is the stuff I have from Comcast, good enough? My speedtest.net scores are Ping: 30 ms, download 90.56 Mbps and upload is 11.90 Mbps. I believe my upload number is generally better than that. I can't remember.

            Obviously I have a whole bunch of new learning to undertake, but I was just wondering.

            Cheers. - Frank
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

              Since I can't recall the former, I'm afraid that it's the latter. :-(

              Sorry for the tardy response. I went for a drive. It's 90º, beautiful blue skies with patchy clouds and not much to do, today. Definitely not an 8 to 10 hour long day. I think this puppy's over.

              Hey, I have a question for you. It appears that my client is going to spring for the Tricaster mini, broadcasting system. He just sent a $25k quote over to his leasing company. (I am a silver-tongued devil.)

              My question is, to do live, HD streaming, do I need any fancy-shmanzy cable modems or routers to assure a glitch-free broadcast, or is the stuff I have from Comcast, good enough? My speedtest.net scores are Ping: 30 ms, download 90.56 Mbps and upload is 11.90 Mbps. I believe my upload number is generally better than that. I can't remember.

              Obviously I have a whole bunch of new learning to undertake, but I was just wondering.

              Cheers. - Frank
              Sounds good enough to me. Best of course to do it plugged in via Lan and not from a wireless laptop. That's the fastest and most reliable connection.
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              • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                Sounds good enough to me. Best of course to do it plugged in via Lan and not from a wireless laptop. That's the fastest and most reliable connection.
                OK. I hard-wire everything via Ethernet. I don't even use Wifi when doing my radio show. If the signals drops the stream, every time it reconnects it tells the streaming server that you are playing the same song, over and over, which violates the TOS and gets the station kicked. Took a while to figure that out. lol

                Thanks for your input.

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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

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      The fact that he bought a router vrs a switch suggests otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Mark, forget what Donuts McGill is saying. If it's not cream-filled, he's not interested.

    I've been considering the Nighthawk since CNET first reported its existence. I'll be interested to hear more of your thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      I was in Office depot a few days back and I noticed some new expensive routers, up to 250 bucks. They all claimed to increase the speed of your wireless connection as well as the range and the connectivity. Had not really considered this before. Well, went home and researched them. The Netgear Nighthawk was the one I decided on, So, went and bought it and installed it last night. This thing is huge, about 3 times the width and depth of my older Netgear one with three badass aerials sticking out the back.

      Easy to setup. Well, wirelessly, I was able to connect all devices at the 5 mhz band, not possible before, it actually auto adjusts depending on your activity online.

      Wirelessly, the connection has gone up from under 30 mbs per second to 53 per second. Really noticable. Wireless is always slower than plugged in. Plugged in wow, never though you could improve on that but it has, get a line of youtube vids and click on each one in turn, they all start up immediately, what a revelation.
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Mark, forget what Donuts McGill is saying. If it's not cream-filled, he's not interested.

      I've been considering the Nighthawk since CNET first reported its existence. I'll be interested to hear more of your thoughts.
      About 2 months ago I bought a Linksys $200 router that made all those claims. I was replacing a 3 year old N300. I liked it at first - until my wifi would drop out once per night - even at full strength. Our Netflix or Amazon movies more often than not would freeze up and lose connection.

      Trash.

      I got this Nighthawk about 3 weeks ago now and so far it's been perfect. No dropouts, no freeze ups - we have probably 4 or 5 devices hooked through the 5G (my 11 year old is a gamer).

      The Nighthawk is a keeper. Worth the $200.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        About 2 months ago I bought a Linksys $200 router that made all those claims. I was replacing a 3 year old N300. I liked it at first - until my wifi would drop out once per night - even at full strength. Our Netflix or Amazon movies more often than not would freeze up and lose connection.

        Trash.

        I got this Nighthawk about 3 weeks ago now and so far it's been perfect. No dropouts, no freeze ups - we have probably 4 or 5 devices hooked through the 5G (my 11 year old is a gamer).

        The Nighthawk is a keeper. Worth the $200.
        I hate anything to do with Linksys. Taken several back in the past and you can fry an egg on them. Netgear, no problems. Good to hear it has been performing solidly for several weeks, heartening to know!
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          I hate anything to do with Linksys. Taken several back in the past and you can fry an egg on them. Netgear, no problems. Good to hear it has been performing solidly for several weeks, heartening to know!
          Years back I swore by Linksys. Until they started giving me issues. I tried Belkin - it was OK. Netgear so far has performed the best and most reliably. Why I tried that Linksys before the Nighthawk - I have no idea...

          Lesson learned
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Mark, forget what Donuts McGill is saying. If it's not cream-filled, he's not interested.

      I've been considering the Nighthawk since CNET first reported its existence. I'll be interested to hear more of your thoughts.
      So far all good, took it out of it's box, screwed in the 3 large antennas plugged it in, Lan lead connected to the computer (also connected it to a vonage box via lan) so I opened up a webpage and it was the setup page, so sixty seconds and done, a breeze to setup. You use a unique password that is on the underside of the router though I expect you can change it if you wish. I had to unplug the lan lead from my vonage box and re-plug it in and then it came up and the phone was active again.

      This is a 1 gig processor simultaneous dual band except that (unlike my old netgear 89 buck one) when you look for the wireless networks you no longer have a 5 and a 2.4 to choose from, just the one (at least on my laptop) I suspect the router decides the best connection band. Smart.

      Doing a speedtest as soon as I connected the laptop to it, it was initially, 49 megs per second, a lot better than the below 30 I had with the old one. It later crept up to 54 per second. It made a significant difference to my surfing speeds, considerably faster, and streaming was much smoother. The Lan connected computer showed a considerable speed performance improvement too. The bars on the wireless connection were maxed out. You just feel it's a really solid connection.

      As for the other higher models, I think if you were and avid gamer you might pay the extra 60 bucks for the higher speed and connection band protocol , To me, what I bought was fantastic. Oh, did I mention it's shut in a closet too.

      Edit: It will be connected to a smart tv, a roku box, direct tv's box, a mac laptop, pc and pc laptop. not to mention a smart phone and a tablet or two.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben West
    I wonder if anyone here knows enough about the new BT "Home Hubs" to help me out.

    About 7/8 years, when BT started handing out their home hubs, they were complete rubbish. As a result I bought an expensive netgear router, and the thing worked perfectly. Until about 2 years ago that poor router died, but pretty much at the exact same time as moved house and got a better BT connection, and one of their fancy new home hubs.

    The thing has been reasonably OK. I only used a wired connection so not sure about the wireless. However every couple of days my internet will cut out, and I can't tell if that's the hub being rubbish or if it's my internet.

    Is it worth investing in a new netgear router? Or are the modern Home Hubs decent enough that I don't need to waste my money?
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Ben West View Post

      I wonder if anyone here knows enough about the new BT "Home Hubs" to help me out.

      About 7/8 years, when BT started handing out their home hubs, they were complete rubbish. As a result I bought an expensive netgear router, and the thing worked perfectly. Until about 2 years ago that poor router died, but pretty much at the exact same time as moved house and got a better BT connection, and one of their fancy new home hubs.

      The thing has been reasonably OK. I only used a wired connection so not sure about the wireless. However every couple of days my internet will cut out, and I can't tell if that's the hub being rubbish or if it's my internet.

      Is it worth investing in a new netgear router? Or are the modern Home Hubs decent enough that I don't need to waste my money?
      Don't know about these all in ones. Does the router side broadcast at the 5 or 2.4 band or both and you get the choice to connect to either (2 wireless connections show up)

      It is possible I think to turn off the router side of your all in one, then you can buy any router you like. As for the net going down, difficult to tell, my cable connection would go out every couple of weeks for half an hour to an hour, usually after midnight. BT, what they using? If it's the copper wire phone network then I'm not suprised. I now am fortunate to have fibre optic. Very reliable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Mark, Amazon currently has the Nighthawk AC1900 Dual Bank Gigabit Router R7000 for $169.50. You also get a free Toshiba Canvio Basics 1 TB portable hard drive.

    This sounds like the one you bought.

    If I'm mainly concerned about quality of streaming content, do you think the Tri-Band R8000 is worth the jump?
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Mark, Amazon currently has the Nighthawk AC1900 Dual Bank Gigabit Router R7000 for $169.50. You also get a free Toshiba Canvio Basics 1 TB portable hard drive.

      This sounds like the one you bought.

      If I'm mainly concerned about quality of streaming content, do you think the Tri-Band R8000 is worth the jump?
      Good price, I paid $189.00 (for that same model) in Office Depot.,Good question, don't know much about this extra feature. Suggest you google that to find out the reality. For streaming mine is excellent and You can go into the routers settings online and set it as either optimized for streaming or gaming which gives more priority to uploading. You can mess with the channels of both the 2.4 and the 5.

      I'm having a little problem with the 5 gightz connection (drops out after a couple of weeks and requires a reset (or a power outage) to make connectivity come back) but funnily enough I don't think it's the Router itself, I say that because it happened to me with my previous symltaneous dual band router. I think I have tracked it down to the Roku wireless remote being the culprit, somehow interfering, it is a wireless remote, rather like a wireless router in itself. Needs more investigation.

      Anyway, Overall I notice an improvement in the wired connection and the wireless works well for streaming on both the 2.4 and 5 band. Of course your internet service and connection speed/reliability are an important factor too. Bars are more consistantly solid on this new router and suspect the range/distance has improved though have not really tested that.

      Also will shortly be plugging in 2 old printers into the router to print wirelessly, also turns them into airprint, good little bonus feature.

      Oh yes, I have to clarify that you do have to make the choice to connect to either the 5 or the 2.4. Both show up as available networks. Rule of thumb, 2.4 works better through walls and over a longer distance than the 5 band. Thats it's failing. 2.4 is still always the most consistent connection band to date.
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  • Profile picture of the author SnackMemory
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I was in Office depot a few days back and I noticed some new expensive routers, up to 250 bucks. They all claimed to increase the speed of your wireless connection as well as the range and the connectivity. Had not really considered this before. Well, went home and researched them. The Netgear Nighthawk was the one I decided on, So, went and bought it and installed it last night. This thing is huge, about 3 times the width and depth of my older Netgear one with three badass aerials sticking out the back.

    Easy to setup. Well, wirelessly, I was able to connect all devices at the 5 mhz band, not possible before, it actually auto adjusts depending on your activity online.

    Wirelessly, the connection has gone up from under 30 mbs per second to 53 per second. Really noticable. Wireless is always slower than plugged in. Plugged in wow, never though you could improve on that but it has, get a line of youtube vids and click on each one in turn, they all start up immediately, what a revelation.

    A good router makes a good difference... I learned that!!
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Question:

    Is a router the same as an access point?

    My hotel (commercial is a lot different than residential, but we don't have any body good locally)
    currently has two of these HP and one engenius brand access points.

    I want to boost bandwidth, signal strength and speed for guests. And we are looking at
    upgrading to smart TV so they can watch their own Netflix (or whatever) accounts.

    J8130B HP ProCurve Wireless Access Point 420
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Question:

      Is a router the same as an access point?

      My hotel (commercial is a lot different than residential, but we don't have any body good locally)
      currently has two of these HP and one engenius brand access points.

      I want to boost bandwidth, signal strength and speed for guests. And we are looking at
      upgrading to smart TV so they can watch their own Netflix (or whatever) accounts.

      J8130B HP ProCurve Wireless Access Point 420
      An Access point is a way of connecting to a wired network. or to other peoples devices. A router just transmits a wireless signal (something like that, shoot me down Seasoned). I'm no expert but to have enough bandwidth and speed to allow everyone to be able to stream Netflix would be expensive. You just cant do it with with a standard connection coming into your location. Hotel net connections are often slow and streaming even low grade video can be a problem. Thats why you get muti-room tv service and on demand video.

      A lot of people have smart phones and 4 g speed. accounts, perhaps offer ways to connect them to your existing tv's
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    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I was in Office depot a few days back and I noticed some new expensive routers, up to 250 bucks. They all claimed to increase the speed of your wireless connection as well as the range and the connectivity. Had not really considered this before. Well, went home and researched them. The Netgear Nighthawk was the one I decided on, So, went and bought it and installed it last night. This thing is huge, about 3 times the width and depth of my older Netgear one with three badass aerials sticking out the back.

    Easy to setup. Well, wirelessly, I was able to connect all devices at the 5 mhz band, not possible before, it actually auto adjusts depending on your activity online.

    Wirelessly, the connection has gone up from under 30 mbs per second to 53 per second. Really noticable. Wireless is always slower than plugged in. Plugged in wow, never though you could improve on that but it has, get a line of youtube vids and click on each one in turn, they all start up immediately, what a revelation.
    That is a very nice router speed i am having only 10 mbs, The 4g LTE internet on my mobile phone is more faster than the internet on my computer
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