A Million Miles Per Second

2 years ago

Ummmm....isn't that why they call it 'science FICTION'?

No, have never seen a sci-fi movie that upset me with its fictional statistics....because they are ....not real. In order to argue how fast a space ship was going, I would need to first believe there was such a space ship.

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Odahh

2 years ago

It's a 1980 science fiction series . Not only was the ufo traveling at 1.5 million miles per second. The people in the jet who assumed the ufo was coming after them thought getting down below cloud cover would help protect them.

I don't think the writer and producers at the time even cared if it was accurate

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

It's a 1980 science fiction series . Not only was the ufo traveling at 1.5 million miles per second. The people in the jet who assumed the ufo was coming after them thought getting down below cloud cover would help protect them.

I don't think the writer and producers at the time even cared if it was accurate

Actually it was made in 1968/9. Gerry Anderson was responsible for the Thunderbirds, Stingray and Fireball XL5 puppet shows etc. He switched to live action stuff in the late sixties. This was one of them. Another was Space 1999 about the moon (with a human base there) being blown out the Earths orbit and the ludicrous premise that it passed other solar systems and planets meeting various aliens. As we all know, the Moon is capable of faster than light travel.

I appreciate it when they try to base stuff on real, or at least plausible science. At least some effort had been made. Films like 2001 and Interstellar, and The Martian. Star Trek, at (mostly The Next Gen) least got away with it because they used technobabble. But even that was researched as having slight plausibility.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Actually it was made in 1968/9. Gerry Anderson was responsible for the Thunderbirds, Stingray and Fireball XL5 puppet shows etc. He switched to live action stuff in the late sixties. This was one of them. Another was Space 1999 about the moon (with a human base there) being blown out the Earths orbit and the ludicrous premise that it passed other solar systems and planets meeting various aliens. As we all know, the Moon is capable of faster than light travel.

I appreciate it when they try to base stuff on real, or at least plausible science. At least some effort had been made. Films like 2001 and Interstellar, and The Martian. Star Trek, at (mostly The Next Gen) least got away with it because they used technobabble. But even that was researched as having slight plausibility.

Geesh, don't knock Space 1999, (the moon created a space time warp so could,..)..ok yeah it is a bit dodgy.

But it was a cool premise go to the moon from the Earth with one cool looking ship, (l built a model of one when l was a kid).

Sound affects in space used to annoy me, but l am fine with it now.

About my biggest grievances are, why do the women in UFO on the moonbase have to dye their hair bright purple?

And why it is virtually impossible to put an engine room in the Jupiter Two.

And why don't we hear any, ohh's and aaah's on the halfway Stargate base in SG Atlantis, (or at least say, stupid old galaxy, next).

And why the robot in Buck Rodgers look,...umm, never mind.

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Odahh

2 years ago

68-69 oh so the research was basically dropping acid and other stuff that went on at the time

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2 years ago

I used to trust the science of paleontology until I found out The Flintstones had a pet dinosaur.

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lanfear63

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

I used to trust the science of paleontology until I found out The Flintstones had a pet dinosaur.

Using various sized dinosaurs in the workplace and domestically, allowed them to Yuba Dubba Do more things akin to the convenience of the modern age. I however, was a bit confused that they had Dino as a pet while the rest of them were enslaved to domestic servitude.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Using various sized dinosaurs in the workplace and domestically, allowed them to Yuba Dubba Do more things akin to the convenience of the modern age. I however, was a bit confused that they had Dino as a pet while the rest of them were enslaved to domestic servitude.

If Gerry Anderson had only employed the "Fred Flintstone foot method" of propulsion, the speed attained by the alien spacecraft would have been plausible.

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lanfear63 2 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

If Gerry Anderson had only employed the "Fred Flintstone foot method" of propulsion, the speed attained by the alien spacecraft would have been plausible.

Amazing observation. Having a round rolling rock as a wheel, once set in motion will of course, in space never stop due to no friction, allowing for colossal forward momentum. Nice to see some real science here. Will of course be contacting NASA about this.
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Claude Whitacre 2 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

I used to trust the science of paleontology until I found out The Flintstones had a pet dinosaur.

I knew it was all real when the pet dinosaur barked like a dog.

Now I know where dogs came from.
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2 years ago

kind of a amusing discussion.... Star Trek? The Enterprise or later the Orville?

The "Original" Enterprise max speed was Warp 5...cant say that I know that that translates to but some perspective the later version of the Enterprise could travel at warp 8 that translates to 512 times the speed of light. And then the Orville could travel at 10 Lightyears per hour or 87,600 times the speed of light

for reference: ( https://sciencevshollywood.com/is-th...0warp%20factor. )

So the notion that a spaceship traveling at 1,000,000 miles per hour would be kids play - but I am going to bet that the IDEA or Start Treks space travel times was more believable?

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lanfear63

2 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

kind of a amusing discussion.... Star Trek? The Enterprise or later the Orville?

The "Original" Enterprise max speed was Warp 5...cant say that I know that that translates to but some perspective the later version of the Enterprise could travel at warp 8 that translates to 512 times the speed of light. And then the Orville could travel at 10 Lightyears per hour or 87,600 times the speed of light

for reference: ( https://sciencevshollywood.com/is-th...0warp%20factor. )

So the notion that a spaceship traveling at 1,000,000 miles per hour would be kids play - but I am going to bet that the IDEA or Start Treks space travel times was more believable?

It was a million per second in UFO, more than 5 times that of light. With tech that advanced, it was amazing how easy it was for Shadow to shoot them down.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

kind of a amusing discussion.... Star Trek? The Enterprise or later the Orville?

The "Original" Enterprise max speed was Warp 5...cant say that I know that that translates to but some perspective the later version of the Enterprise could travel at warp 8 that translates to 512 times the speed of light. And then the Orville could travel at 10 Lightyears per hour or 87,600 times the speed of light

for reference: ( https://sciencevshollywood.com/is-th...0warp%20factor. )

So the notion that a spaceship traveling at 1,000,000 miles per hour would be kids play - but I am going to bet that the IDEA or Start Treks space travel times was more believable?

I am a pretty big Star Trek fan, even though l wasn't crazy about Picard two overall, and in Enterprise they could only manage warp three or 4, then it went up with technology.

In Star Trek the Voyage Home, they said that warp 10 was matching light speed and any faster would propel the ship into subspace or effectively travel in time.

Even though a ship warping would get it to Alpha Centauri in about 2 weeks.

So they probably need to use a different term for up to light speed.

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It was a million per second in UFO, more than 5 times that of light. With tech that advanced, it was amazing how easy it was for Shadow to shoot them down.

But the UFO's looked cool, and l am sure that String tops will come into fashion, and Sunbeam sliced bread?

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I just saw a Jerry Anderson UFO clip where the alien space craft was heading towards Earth at a million miles per second. Since the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second, how would they even know that or detect it.

Have you ever watched Star Trek and seen the stars fly by as the ship travels through space?

If you could really get a ship to travel at the speed of light, the stars are so far apart that they would still stay stationary for...months of space travel.

If you cold travel at 10 times the speed of light...the stars would still be stationary...moving ever so slightly after a week or two.

That's how far apart the stars are.

And...the majority of the "stars" we see at night are actually galaxies. So, traveling at the speed of light, it may take hundreds of thousands of years for those galaxies to appear to move at all.

One other thing about traveling at the speed of light (or anywhere close to it), you would also be accelerating through time faster than the rest of the universe.

Did you know that if you could send a ship to a black hole, assuming it somehow survived the trip, the closer you got to the black hole, the slower you would experience time.

In fact, at the event horizon of a black hole, you would be traveling so close to the speed of light, that the ship, if seen from Earth, would appear to just hang at the event horizon....forever.

And if you could look back from the ship, as it enters the event horizon, you would see time speed up so fast that galaxies would rapidly move across your visual field, suns would ignite and burn out quickly.. Why? Because you aren't moving through time at hardly any rate at all

To you, billions of years are flashing by rapidly...while to us? You and your ship are frozen in time.

But all of that is nonsense. Even to get to the black hole at the center of our own galaxy, at the speed of light, it would take 25,000 years to get there.

Unless of course, you set the ship to travel at Ludicrous Speed. At Ludicrous Speed you can get anywhere in a few hours.

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lanfear63

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Have you ever watched Star Trek and seen the stars fly by as the ship travels through space?

If you could really get a ship to travel at the speed of light, the stars are so far apart that they would still stay stationary for...months of space travel.

If you cold travel at 10 times the speed of light...the stars would still be stationary...moving ever so slightly after a week or two.

That's how far apart the stars are.

And...the majority of the "stars" we see at night are actually galaxies. So, traveling at the speed of light, it may take hundreds of thousands of years for those galaxies to appear to move at all.

One other thing about traveling at the speed of light (or anywhere close to it), you would also be accelerating through time faster than the rest of the universe.

Did you know that if you could send a ship to a black hole, assuming it somehow survived the trip, the closer you got to the black hole, the slower you would experience time.

In fact, at the event horizon of a black hole, you would be traveling so close to the speed of light, that the ship, if seen from Earth, would appear to just hang at the event horizon....forever.

And if you could look back from the ship, as it enters the event horizon, you would see time speed up so fast that galaxies would rapidly move across your visual field, suns would ignite and burn out quickly.. Why? Because you aren't moving through time at hardly any rate at all

To you, billions of years are flashing by rapidly...while to us? You and your ship are frozen in time.

But all of that is nonsense. Even to get to the black hole at the center of our own galaxy, at the speed of light, it would take 25,000 years to get there.

Unless of course, you set the ship to travel at Ludicrous Speed. At Ludicrous Speed you can get anywhere in a few hours.

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There you go again, berating us with all your Pseudo Science.

Speed of light? Nah, ain't going to cut it. Four years to get to even the nearest star? No thanks.

I just watched a silly YT video recounting alleged near death experiences. In one, the guide took the person to other occupied planets where the inhabitants, though intelligent, were completely happy with their lot and in complete harmony with their planet.

But us humans, we are not like that, no, we have to science the hell out of everything, take it apart and see how it works. Unfortunately, this has been to the determent of our planet releasing the wrong kind of gas. Now we will have to science the hell out of that or die.

But, if anyone's going to beat faster than light travel its going to be us or a civilization of similar mentality, because it is our nature. We like challenge. It would have to be something that protects us from time and space effects, that folds space, that stops particles from hitting it. A very tall order. A bubble that moves through without being affected by anything. Currently, purely in the realms of Science Fiction, but one can hope.

As for Star Trek, especially the Next Gen, when they were cruising I recall the starry backdrop being pretty static. But when at warp, everything was blurred. But they were travelling at 85 times the speed of light (Warp 8.5)

I hope you have been keeping up with the beautiful and detailed images that the James Web telescope is producing, truly wonderous stuff. Especially now the Queens funeral is over.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

As for Star Trek, especially the Next Gen, when they were cruising I recall the starry backdrop being pretty static. But when at warp, everything was blurred. But they were travelling at 85 times the speed of light (Warp 8.5)

At 100 times the speed of light (if such a thing existed), we would pass by the planets in our solar system in a few minutes.

But stars? we still wouldn't see them change position visually. And nearly all galaxies are so far from ours that we wouldn't see them change position for hundreds of years.

And at 100 times the speed of light, it would still take a hundred years to cross our own galaxy.

Did you know that the space itself is expanding at an ever increasing rate? The greater the distance between galaxies, the faster they are flying away from each other.

So when we talk about the universe, we only mean the visible universe. There are galaxies (impossible to know how many) that are flying away at faster than the speed of light. Because the space between us is expanding faster than light. No matter what we did, we would never be able to see them, let alone visit them.

Eventually, our galaxy will be the only one visible. All the others will be traveling away from us at faster than light speed, so we won't get the light coming from them.

And eventually, all the stars in our galaxy will burn out, because there won't be enough of the lighter elements left to create new stars.

Cold...dark...diffused universe of separate protons......

A scientific question. When vampires die, do they become ghosts or zombies? And when ghosts die, do they just become a different ghost?

When you destroy a zombie, do they become zombie ghosts?

If a vampire bites a zombie, does it turn the zombie into a zombie vampire?

Remember when we had a new Forum member that got really upset because he was convinced that we were in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, and we weren't taking it seriously?

And yeah, I can't wait to see other shots taken by the James Webb telescope.

I just watched Morbious on Netflix. Only the last Fantastic Four movie was worse.

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lanfear63

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

At 100 times the speed of light (if such a thing existed), we would pass by the planets in our solar system in a few minutes.

But stars? we still wouldn't see them change position visually. And nearly all galaxies are so far from ours that we wouldn't see them change position for hundreds of years.

And at 100 times the speed of light, it would still take a hundred years to cross our own galaxy.

Did you know that the space itself is expanding at an ever increasing rate? The greater the distance between galaxies, the faster they are flying away from each other.

So when we talk about the universe, we only mean the visible universe. There are galaxies (impossible to know how many) that are flying away at faster than the speed of light. Because the space between us is expanding faster than light. No matter what we did, we would never be able to see them, let alone visit them.

Eventually, our galaxy will be the only one visible. All the others will be traveling away from us at faster than light speed, so we won't get the light coming from them.

And eventually, all the stars in our galaxy will burn out, because there won't be enough of the lighter elements left to create new stars.

Cold...dark...diffused universe of separate protons......

A scientific question. When vampires die, do they become ghosts or zombies? And when ghosts die, do they just become a different ghost?

When you destroy a zombie, do they become zombie ghosts?

If a vampire bites a zombie, does it turn the zombie into a zombie vampire?

Remember when we had a new Forum member that got really upset because he was convinced that we were in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, and we weren't taking it seriously?

And yeah, I can't wait to see other shots taken by the James Webb telescope.

I just watched Morbious on Netflix. Only the last Fantastic Four movie was worse.

"Remember when we had a new Forum member that got really upset because he was convinced that we were in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, and we weren't taking it seriously?"

Yes I remember that, but thanks to you and others, Dan Riffles come a long way.

It should also be said, though it wont be for a long time, we will have the accompaniment of the Andromeda Galaxy crashing into us to keep things busy for a while.

Zombies traditionally are simply reanimated corpses so the spirit has left the body. Vampires are also undead creatures, soulless, so no likelihood to give us hybrid ghosts.

Ghosts or the spirit or soul, what ever you want to call it are thought in quite a few Dogmas to eventually lose all individuality and join with a universal spirit or collective state of being and simply be. The journey to get to that pure state is the fun bit, the purpose and the challenge. That's what I have gleaned from looking at a cross section of them.

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Claude Whitacre

2 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

It should also be said, though it wont be for a long time, we will have the accompaniment of the Andromeda Galaxy crashing into us to keep things busy for a while.

Yup. There is a local group of galaxies that will eventually combine. Andromeda is a little larger than the Milky Way. Our galaxy has already consumed several smaller galaxies.

My wife and I had a discussion today about "What would happen if there was a way to link every mind on Earth? Would we be individuals or a different being?"

My thought was that we would all, individually, still have the sense that we were still an individual, but now with almost unlimited memory, experience, and capacity to think.

Not one hive mind, but a massive number of equally powerful minds, accessing the greater whole.

Of course, there is no way to know for sure.

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lanfear63

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Yup. There is a local group of galaxies that will eventually combine. Andromeda is a little larger than the Milky Way. Our galaxy has already consumed several smaller galaxies.

My wife and I had a discussion today about "What would happen if there was a way to link every mind on Earth? Would we be individuals or a different being?"

My thought was that we would all, individually, still have the sense that we were still an individual, but now with almost unlimited memory, experience, and capacity to think.

Not one hive mind, but a massive number of equally powerful minds, accessing the greater whole.

Of course, there is no way to know for sure.

The Internet is the closest we have to linking the majority of individual human perceptions and intelligence. But, it is highly fragmented and disorganized and a lot of it is dross. You can probably find a few great perceptions within it though. As a quick fact finder, it is difficult to beat when interrogated properly.

Using that as an example, would a linked hive of thought, experiences and skills be able to be harnessed to produce anything good. Only perhaps if you could somehow purge emotions and tap into pure intelligence, knowledge and skills and ideas without distraction and bias. So given that you could do all that, on the face of it, individuality would not be a factor.

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Claude Whitacre

2 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Using that as an example, would a linked hive of thought, experiences and skills be able to be harnessed to produce anything good. Only perhaps if you could somehow purge emotions and tap into pure intelligence, knowledge and skills and ideas without distraction and bias. So given that you could do all that, on the face of it, individuality would not be a factor.

My guess is that if we were all connected, we would still be physically apart, leading our own lives. So we may have access to the same information, the same speed of thought, but we would still have individual emotions.

And I would assume that this connectivity would produce a strong empathy for everyone else. There would be more of a common good.

And you brought up a good point about bias. Bias is still a form of information. So are conspiracy theories and religious beliefs. I wonder how all that would factor in.

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. It's claimed that between 1975 and 2020 there has been an average of 13.5% loss of intelligence.* This decline is likely to continue.

I believe it, and I'm not trying to be funny or mean.
The internet means easy answers without the burden of figuring it out.

We can survive and reproduce without skills or insights. And playing video games all day, or watching porn all day isn't conducive to growing neural connections.

We also have a growing culture that looks down on educated people as elites, and wealthy people as evil.

Being poor and ignorant are now seen by many as virtues.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

And I would assume that this connectivity would produce a strong empathy for everyone else. There would be more of a common good.

You're probably familiar with the work of Lynn Margulis and others concerning symbiosis. The argument is that symbiosis - organisms depending on each other and acting for their long-term mutual benefit - could be an intrinsic agent of evolution. That might support the idea of connectivity as a beneficial force.

I believe it, and I'm not trying to be funny or mean.
The internet means easy answers without the burden of figuring it out.

We can survive and reproduce without skills or insights. And playing video games all day, or watching porn all day isn't conducive to growing neural connections.

We also have a growing culture that looks down on educated people as elites, and wealthy people as evil.

Being poor and ignorant are now seen by many as virtues.

There's always the possibility that intelligence is overrated as a survival benefit. We prize it above other attributes, but it's just as likely to be instrumental in our extinction as take us forward.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

You're probably familiar with the work of Lynn Margulis and others concerning symbiosis. The argument is that symbiosis - organisms depending on each other and acting for their long-term mutual benefit - could be an intrinsic agent of evolution. That might support the idea of connectivity as a beneficial force.
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It's far less expensive ideal sounding how it actually works. There is no waste in a natural system the waste product of organism is that food or input of another system . Oil/ fossil fuels seem to be the only exception.

Science is studying this In the form of gut microbiology and the soil food web . And many other areas. As science better understands these systems and how they are linked together we replicate them to produce too produce better systems.

The problem is the resulting systems don't look highly scientific or advanced industrial. And don't depend on constant outside inputs.

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Claude Whitacre

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

There's always the possibility that intelligence is overrated as a survival benefit. We prize it above other attributes, but it's just as likely to be instrumental in our extinction as take us forward.

Not for individuals. For individuals, intelligence makes a huge difference in how they see the world, how they live, and whether they survive or not.

It's in large masses of people that this intelligence is re-directed by the powerful as a threat.

The geniuses aren't the ones making the threats.

Anyway, it's a theory.

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Not for individuals. For individuals, intelligence makes a huge difference in how they see the world, how they live, and whether they survive or not.

By survival benefit, I mean as a species. Given we have a degree of what we call intelligence, those with an above average amount are able to use it to their advantage within the context of the cultures and social structures we've set up.

It remains to be seen if our specific kind of intelligence is such a big deal for a species when it comes to long-term survival.

It's in large masses of people that this intelligence is re-directed by the powerful as a threat.

The geniuses aren't the ones making the threats.

Yes, we surely need to be wary of those with just enough intelligence to be dangerous. But my view is that any existential threat is just as likely to come from some inadvertent action than from any malevolent intention.
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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

My wife and I had a discussion today about "What would happen if there was a way to link every mind on Earth? Would we be individuals or a different being?"

My thought was that we would all, individually, still have the sense that we were still an individual, but now with almost unlimited memory, experience, and capacity to think.

Not one hive mind, but a massive number of equally powerful minds, accessing the greater whole.

Claude, you old romantic

. Unlimited capacity to think? Nice thought.

Just as an aside, we already view the notion of individuals differently depending on our culture. In many parts of the world, the idea that the individual is subservient to the whole is more accepted that it might be in the West. But if every mind could be linked?

Here's my take:

Technological progress has always come about from the ideas and creativity of one or a few individuals. When societies were fragmented and widely dispersed, this often meant that solutions to common problems had to be invented multiple times. It's easy to see how smaller groups would have encouraged and rewarded ingenuity, when that technology - together with an understanding of the principles behind it - might well have been a matter of survival.

Today we live in age of almost 8 billion humans and unprecedented connectivity. Any new technology spreads around the globe virtually instantaneously. Yet humans are becoming dumber. It's claimed that between 1975 and 2020 there has been an average of 13.5% loss of intelligence.* This decline is likely to continue.

Paradoxically, the more we embrace and rely on new technology, the more distant we become from it. Few of us can explain the mechanism underlying the functions of our smart phones, for example. We don't have to. Modern conveniences just happen. We're getting used to leaving more and more of our daily activities in the hands of others. We consume more and create less.

It seems to me that any collective intelligence would be more likely to resemble a hive mind with the few elite having dominion over the masses, rather than a worldwide conference of keen individual minds.

But if that system were to deliver stability and security, most people probably wouldn't be concerned.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Have you ever watched Star Trek and seen the stars fly by as the ship travels through space?

If you could really get a ship to travel at the speed of light, the stars are so far apart that they would still stay stationary for...months of space travel.

If you cold travel at 10 times the speed of light...the stars would still be stationary...moving ever so slightly after a week or two.

That's how far apart the stars are.

And...the majority of the "stars" we see at night are actually galaxies. So, traveling at the speed of light, it may take hundreds of thousands of years for those galaxies to appear to move at all.

One other thing about traveling at the speed of light (or anywhere close to it), you would also be accelerating through time faster than the rest of the universe.

National Geographic Science channel.

To you, billions of years are flashing by rapidly...while to us? You and your ship are frozen in time.

But all of that is nonsense. Even to get to the black hole at the center of our own galaxy, at the speed of light, it would take 25,000 years to get there.

Unless of course, you set the ship to travel at Ludicrous Speed. At Ludicrous Speed you can get anywhere in a few hours.

You mean the Impossibility Drive and a strong cup of tea, (or matching a spacecrafts frequency and vibration with higher dimensions that have no space time restrictions so going from one side of the galaxy to the other takes about 2 weeks).

I'd only ever go back in time for a decent packet of matches, and to smoke a cigar in a shopping centre.

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There's always the possibility that intelligence is overrated as a survival benefit. We prize it above other attributes, but it's just as likely to be instrumental in our extinction as take us forward.

A very real possibility - after all, the 'saying is.....

survival of the fittest

Not - 'survival of the smartest'

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2 years ago

I just watched another near death experience vid. In this one a woman asked a lot of questions. She wanted to know if there was other intelligent life in the universe. Yes, was the reply and she was taken to a planet where a highly evolved culture dwelled. Despite her being a spirit, the people were aware of her and communicated with her by thought.

She asked if they had developed any interstellar space faring craft and how it was powered. They said they had made "Gravity Emitters" to propel them. So there you are, that's how it's done.

She was then taken to another planet where a more primitive culture existed and they did not know she was there. You see, only more spiritually advanced people can speak to the dead.

Finally, before returning to Earth (and being able to say goodbye to her travelling companion's spirit who was not able to come back from the car crash she and her had been in) she asked one more question. When will the Earth be destroyed or when would life on Earth end.

Surprisingly we only have 1,500 years before disaster strikes. The nature was not revealed. Probably something like a large asteroid or a huge volcanic eruption or something. Unstoppable, even for a then advanced culture.

Fortunately, much of the human race by then had ventured out and were living on other planets so it was not the end for us.

Honestly, although these OOBE experiences are supposed to be real accounts, there are rich pickings to make some highly imaginative SIFI books or films.

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I just watched another near death experience vid.

Surprisingly we only have 1,500 years before disaster strikes. The nature was not revealed. Probably something like a large asteroid or a huge volcanic eruption or something. Unstoppable, even for a then advanced culture.

Fortunately, much of the human race by then had ventured out and were living on other planets so it was not the end for us.

Honestly, although these OOBE experiences are supposed to be real accounts, there are rich pickings to make some highly imaginative SIFI books or films.

I have had friends who have told me they have had oobe but not from near death experiences. It's really hard for most to explain it because it doesn't fit in current understanding.

Something I have had explained to me from other than earth human sources. Is once a race learns to live in space. They don't go out and try and live on the surface of any other planet. They return their home planet to a more natural state and live under the surface or just in their ships.

Many oobe you read about pull heavily from sci fi or what ever spiritual beliefs they hold.

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tagiscom

2 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I just watched another near death experience vid. In this one a woman asked a lot of questions. She wanted to know if there was other intelligent life in the universe. Yes, was the reply and she was taken to a planet where a highly evolved culture dwelled. Despite her being a spirit, the people were aware of her and communicated with her by thought.

She asked if they had developed any interstellar space faring craft and how it was powered. They said they had made "Gravity Emitters" to propel them. So there you are, that's how it's done.

She was then taken to another planet where a more primitive culture existed and they did not know she was there. You see, only more spiritually advanced people can speak to the dead.

Finally, before returning to Earth (and being able to say goodbye to her travelling companion's spirit who was not able to come back from the car crash she and her had been in) she asked one more question. When will the Earth be destroyed or when would life on Earth end.

Surprisingly we only have 1,500 years before disaster strikes. The nature was not revealed. Probably something like a large asteroid or a huge volcanic eruption or something. Unstoppable, even for a then advanced culture.

Fortunately, much of the human race by then had ventured out and were living on other planets so it was not the end for us.

Honestly, although these OOBE experiences are supposed to be real accounts, there are rich pickings to make some highly imaginative SIFI books or films.

Agreed most of Stargate was knocked off of ancient texts, although the stable wormhole was fiction.

And saying that we are the only ones in our galaxy is a bit like saying that the earth is the center of our solar system.

Currently we are too insane and evil to go anywhere near, but that will change.

Disclosure is inevitable.

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Agreed most of Stargate was knocked off of ancient texts, although the stable wormhole was fiction.

And saying that we are the only ones in our galaxy is a bit like saying that the earth is the center of our solar system.

Currently we are too insane and evil to go anywhere near, but that will change.

Disclosure is inevitable.

You missed disclosure it's been done while everything else was going on the last few years.

And I doubt there will be any disclosure that matches what you think the truth is.

Most people don't think humans are the only intelligent life in the universe. But humans are getting dumber and hopefully we can develop AI and robots fast enough and can make up for it.

Look we are actually in a time where the intellectuals are trying to convince everyone else there is not really a difference between male and female. We eat food that are making people sick and the leading causes of death and the destruction of the environment.

I don't think we qualify as intelligent by any standard but our own.

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

Agreed most of Stargate was knocked off of ancient texts, although the stable wormhole was fiction.

so do the ancient text say if there r reptilians in the british monarchy and/or usa govt
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  so do the ancient text say if there r reptilians in the british monarchy and/or usa govt
  
  Rumor control has it that when Putin met the Queen at a function she took an instant dislike to him and flashed him her reptilian face. He steered clear of her after that.
  
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tagiscom

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

You missed disclosure it's been done while everything else was going on the last few years.

And I doubt there will be any disclosure that matches what you think the truth is.

Some blurry Ariel videos isn't disclosure, landing in a park in Washington is.

The first was to pick a fight for more power, control, etc, etc. And we will have full disclosure soon enough.

Most people don't think humans are the only intelligent life in the universe. But humans are getting dumber and hopefully we can develop AI and robots fast enough and can make up for it.

Look we are actually in a time where the intellectuals are trying to convince everyone else there is not really a difference between male and female. We eat food that are making people sick and the leading causes of death and the destruction of the environment.

I don't think we qualify as intelligent by any standard but our own.

Intellectuals don't do that, or they can remember a lot of stuff, but don't do that well in the thinking department.

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so do the ancient text say if there r reptilians in the british monarchy and/or usa govt

We can only hope.

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Rumor control has it that when Pu..... met the Queen at a function she took an instant dislike to him and flashed him her reptilian face. He steered clear of her after that.

I quoted this for prosperity, and entertainment value.

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Odahh

2 years ago

That is why I am pretty sure we will not get the disclosure you want. Humanity has to fix the mess we are in on our own with some guidance from outside but no intervention.

That the purpose of the test this planet is going through.

They land on on one day then what do you want them to share their technology with us to save us from ourselves. Then again alien believers think all past wonders humans created where from alien coming down and sharing technology.

And they also believe like soc poked fun at that the problems humans are going through is from the manipulation of outside forces like reptilians or anunahki. It not because of something humans themselves are responsible for.

We did this we are doing the mess making we need to learn and clean up our act. Or we destroy ourselves by destroying the planets ability to support human life.

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tagiscom

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

That is why I am pretty sure we will not get the disclosure you want. Humanity has to fix the mess we are in on our own with some guidance from outside but no intervention.

That the purpose of the test this planet is going through.

They land on on one day then what do you want them to share their technology with us to save us from ourselves. Then again alien believers think all past wonders humans created where from alien coming down and sharing technology.

And they also believe like soc poked fun at that the problems humans are going through is from the manipulation of outside forces like reptilians or anunahki. It not because of something humans themselves are responsible for.

We did this we are doing the mess making we need to learn and clean up our act. Or we destroy ourselves by destroying the planets ability to support human life.

Agreed, War leads to bigger better til the bigger better destroys the planet. Then what is left starts again.

War will destroy the species who engage with it, and selective genocide leads to enlightenment.

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selective genocide leads to enlightenment.

You should make that a bumper sticker.
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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Agreed, War leads to bigger better til the bigger better destroys the planet. Then what is left starts again.

War will destroy the species who engage with it, and selective genocide leads to enlightenment.

The population decline coming in the future will not be from war or genocide. It will be from famine caused by the breakdown of globalization and the shortages of food water and inputs to modern mechanized agriculture.

Populations in areas that can't produce enough food to feed people. Will shrink from outward migration or starvation. If not just from attrition where there are not enough young people to replace older people as they pass on.

This is not some evil plot. Population grow past where resources can sustain them then collapse down to more sustainable levels.

And to get more sci fi sustainable large populations will require heavy use of AI and automated food production and delivery systems. Where food can be harvested the shipped directly to the consumer. But that is three paragraphs projecting a possible future over the next 20 years

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2 years ago

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The population decline coming in the future will not be from war or genocide. It will be from famine caused by the breakdown of globalization and the shortages of food water and inputs to modern mechanized agriculture.

Famine, famine plays a part but currently a small part.

This is not some evil plot. Population grow past where resources can sustain them then collapse down to more sustainable levels.

That has been true in the past, but currently food production is higher than ever, regardless of the rubbish and cultism.

Currently the world is pushing for one currency and one government, probably the WHO.

And to get more sci fi sustainable large populations will require heavy use of AI and automated food production and delivery systems. Where food can be harvested the shipped directly to the consumer. But that is three paragraphs projecting a possible future over the next 20 years

The Mass Genocide Enlightment remark refers to the Russian chicken experiment, whereby Stalin reportedly tortured a chicken, (plucked out all of its feathers) then showed that the chicken still followed him if he dropped some crumbs.

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Odahh

2 years ago

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That has been true in the past, but currently food production is higher than ever, regardless of the rubbish and cultism.

Currently the world is pushing for one currency and one government, probably the WHO.
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If people can't afford the food or it doesn't get transported to the people it doesn't matter how much food is produced. Much of it gets fed too livestock or just thrown out.

And the world has one currency called fiat. The USD$ is tied to oil and debt and all other currencies manipulate their value in relationships to the usd$ as about 80 percent of world trade is done in dollars and like 80 percent of the debt around the world is in usd$

What is being pushed around the world is central bank digital currency. But I don't care to talk about that here again as it's not crypto or blockchain but it becomes a discussion about those. When it's not those.

You sound like you might still believe the plan is still to implement tracking and mind control chips in everyone. When there is no longer a need the majority of people carry that chip in the form of a cell phone that they upgrade as often as possible and put all the important stuff they think about in. And with the spread of facial recognition cameras. And the cameras self driving cars use to drive. There will soon be no escaping being tracked in public.

The next step is surveillance currency which is essentially what central bank digital currency is. If the world is not already a simulation. We are moving to track large amounts of data required to create a simulation.

Forget conspiracies in the dark the powers that be are fine telling everyone what they are doing.

Honestly though I'm highly suspicious that what has been going on looks like how an artificial intelligence would take over a planet. Step by step the people putting more things in control of AI.

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Originally Posted by tagiscom

If people can't afford the food or it doesn't get transported to the people it doesn't matter how much food is produced. Much of it gets fed too livestock or just thrown out.

And the world has one currency called fiat. The USD$ is tied to oil and debt and all other currencies manipulate their value in relationships to the usd$ as about 80 percent of world trade is done in dollars and like 80 percent of the debt around the world is in usd$

What is being pushed around the world is central bank digital currency. But I don't care to talk about that here again as it's not crypto or blockchain but it becomes a discussion about those. When it's not those.

Ok, but yeah that one.

You sound like you might still believe the plan is still to implement tracking and mind control chips in everyone. When there is no longer a need the majority of people carry that chip in the form of a cell phone that they upgrade as often as possible and put all the important stuff they think about in. And with the spread of facial recognition cameras. And the cameras self driving cars use to drive. There will soon be no escaping being tracked in public.

The next step is surveillance currency which is essentially what central bank digital currency is. If the world is not already a simulation. We are moving to track large amounts of data required to create a simulation..

Your credit card details can be reduced to a capsule and embedded in your hand. But mobile devices are not necessary these days other ways work just as well, especially if the subject isn't aware.

Forget conspiracies in the dark the powers that be are fine telling everyone what they are doing.

Honestly though I'm highly suspicious that what has been going on looks like how an artificial intelligence would take over a planet. Step by step the people putting more things in control of AI.

Machines can drive a car and even come up with great designs but all cannot create an independent thought.

Not even a high Q-bit processor can do that.

The human mind as aspects that machines cannot unless they try to mimic our brains, then it might get scary, (they have mimicked a slugs brain with promising results).

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Odahh

2 years ago

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Originally Posted by Odahh

Ok, but yeah that one.

Your credit card details can be reduced to a capsule and embedded in your hand. But mobile devices are not necessary these days other ways work just as well, especially if the subject isn't aware.

Machines can drive a car and even come up with great designs but all cannot create an independent thought.

Not even a high Q-bit processor can do that.

The human mind as aspects that machines cannot unless they try to mimic our brains, then it might get scary, (they have mimicked a slugs brain with promising results).

Intelligence is not about thought it the accumulation of layers of data. That can be replicated by a machine. Thought on the other hand doesn't originate within the brain and is far from independent. As the same new thought seems to be thought by large numbers of people at once.

Because that aspect of humans is a function of our dna and actually spread through the entire body to trigger it. It can't be replicated by a machine.

With how invasive China is if chip implants where a thing to track and monitor populations. Instead they have listening devices in homes cameras with facial identification everywhere.and people still use cell phones even for money transactions.

When the chips become a viable option there are probably large number of people who will get them for convenience. Cbdc or surveillance currency will be sold to people as more convenient than cash or credit. " here is a bank account at the central bank you are entitled to, and there may even be free money put into it monthly. We at the central banks just get to se everything you spend money on and the prices you pay. In real time without needing all the complicated models we use today. "

Cash won't be removed completely but the biggest bills will probably be the equivalent of a Us20$ bill

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