OK...I Admit I Support BP

by Kurt
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Another Warrior sent me a link which lead me to do a little surfing and came across this:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/07/jfe_engineering_reveals_quick_battery_chargers_for _electric_vehicles.html

Japan is starting to test a system that quick charges a car battery. After a 3 minute charge, you can drive about 30 miles and after a 5 minute charge you can drive about 45 miles.

Japan is also starting to test battery exchange stations using 3 taxi cabs for testing. The same company is also setting up similar systems in Israel and The Netherlands, which are powered by wind.
Electric Car Battery Swapping Station Launched in Japan | PriceWheels Blog

And Renault is releasing the first electric car with a changable battery by the end of 2011 to work with these changing stations.

One key to this is the car batteries. Wind isn't dependable, but the use of car batteries makes it possible (and practical) to store the energy created from the wind so that peak wind times don't have to exactly correspond with peak demand, a real weakness with wind.

This also means that solar and wind powered battery exchange centers don't have to be on a larger grid and can be independent. In theory, a large windmill could power a changing station in the middle of Kansas without the need to be connected to any grid.

As T Boone Pickens points out, the key is to converting to domestic energy is to start with fleet vehicles, taxis, buses, postal vehicles, cop cars, etc. Many of these vehicles drive on predictable routes and "return home" every night. A lot of major corporations have already agreed to convert in Israel and the Netherlands.

In the SE, convert to natural gas vehicles. LA and TX and the Gulf have tons of natural gas. Every home in America that has natural gas is already on the "network" and in theory, you could have a special adaptor installed and fill up your natural gas powered car at home. Again, as Pickens says if we don't start using our own natural gas and keep paying for foreign oil, we'll go down as the dumbest people in history.

Areas in the high plains start converting to electricity powered by wind. Our high plains are the "Saudi Arabia" of wind power.

In the SW, we start converting to solar. Our SW is the "Saudi Arabia" of solar and is as powerful a solar resource as anywhere on the planet. I've read a couple of experts claim that just a 100 square mile area could produce enough solar energy to power the entire country. The land is all federally owned, there's tons of out of work construction workers in Las Vegas and California is hurting too.

The problem is, the US doesn't even have a plan to consider converting to electric or other types of cars...And the company building these battery changing stations is an American-based company.

BTW, the company building these systems in Japan, Israel and The Netherlands is Better Place, or BP...Which is why I used "BP" used in the title of this thread, and who I support...Not those other guys...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Here's a demo of the swap:


    Imagine combining this with fast food restaurants? Have your battery changed and get the #2 in couple of minutes without leaving your car.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug
    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    Our high plains are the "Saudi Arabia" of wind power.

    You have that right Kurt, 25 - 30 MPH wind here in North Dakota is just a breeze to us who live here. There are wind farms already in many places. And they're growing too, pick any day of the week -you'll see semi's traveling down the Interstate hauling blades for the windmills.

    Right now, as I understand, part of the problem in electrical production is simply that the infrastructure (grid-work) cannot handle additional power being produced by the wind farms because the grid is so outdated. Literally with the coal plants producing power the grid is at near capacity. And it is to cost prohibitive for utility companies to build new lines to handle more power.

    Yes we could shut down coal powered plants while increasing wind power, but there is a problem with this simple solution. The wind generators, as technology and design now allow, become inefficient at the point when wind blows much over 15 MPH. There are built in breaking systems to slow the blades during high wind to protect the towers from damage. This breaking operates off the power being produced by the windmill itself, wind above 15 MPH uses just about all the power produced just to slow the blades.

    So shutting down coal plants isn't the immediate answer either. Plus, just like every where else, the wind doesn't always blow.

    What could really be a good answer would be affordable wind generators for individual residential use. Affordability being the key issue, and until this is looked at seriously, wind energy for private citizens is out of the question.

    Wind farms for individual communities could be the answer. Wind to power smaller communities, with traditional supply as back up, would help take some load of the grid and make more sense than trying to power an entire region or one day the country with alternative power. Not to mention probably help with blackouts too.

    Anyway, my thoughts on the subject...

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    Hey Doug,

    I agree with you...I'll just add that I think the biggest problem is really just a desire to get it done. We need a new grid anyway, may as well build it to include wind and solar.

    We're not even really trying, let alone leading.

    And while there are some problems with wind and solar, we also need to make a check-list of problems associated with oil and then compare.

    On a related note, a totally solar powered airplane just flew 26 hours, including over-night, without a recharge. It actually had more power in the batteries when it landed than when it took off, all generated from the sun while in flight.

    The downside is, the plane only flew 25 MPH.

    Just dreaming...But think if we could get the speed up to about 120 MPH and mass produce these type planes cheaply. We could make them computer operated and they could carry 1-4 passengers from city to city, like a hybrid between planes and taxis without any fuel costs or pollution.

    You wouldn't have to wait in long security lines, check baggage, etc, so a lot of time could be made up that way, plus the comfort of having your own cabin.

    And with very few moving parts, they would bound to be safer and save on maintenance and repairs...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Japan is starting to test a system that quick charges a car battery. After a 3 minute charge, you can drive about 30 miles and after a 5 minute charge you can drive about 45 miles.
      Would be a good use for current gas stations, too. Wind fields could produce the energy and a charge-up could take less time than pumping gas.

      What a perfect case for a "charge card"
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post


      I'll just add that I think the biggest problem is really just a desire to get it done.
      ...no desire, that we must face.

      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      We're not even really trying, let alone leading.
      There's little will anymore... a guy like T Boone Pickens with his money could bring together the right technical people, minds and so forth to get an excellent start, in the private sector, meeting some of these ideas and problems head on.

      Start small, focus on one project, get that one operational and profitable before moving on. It's the only way I see things being accomplished.

      It can be done, but like you pointed out Kurt... someone needs to lead.
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    Japan is in the works of solving a LOT of problems right now, Kurt.

    They have devised a way to put pipes down underground in desertificated areas and run cold water through them to make them sweat to keep desertificated soil moist so it can hold replanting.

    They have also just created plastic made of water. So far they only have soft plastic but are working on making a hard plastic from water, too -- if you consider that plastic, which is now an oil based product, is one of the most toxic and widely used toxins in the world, and think of the pure destruction that has been and is being reaped by this crap, water based plastics may be the most valuable invention ever seen. There are just too many people for us to supply each with all natural products - we would have to completely rip the earth apart to do so -- but with water made plastic, we can supply the world with non-toxic synthetic products that won't heat the globe, won't poison the earth. -- So if you end up with your Electric cars and the wind supplied batteries and make them all out of water based plastic, we are really getting into some awesome and planet friendly stuff.

    Incidentally, though - Japan is also coming up with some scary uses for technology, too. Yikes.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Incidentally, though - Japan is also coming up with some scary uses for technology, too. Yikes.
      Care to elaborate on that?

      You've piqued my curiosity.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Care to elaborate on that?

        You've piqued my curiosity.
        I don't know what Sal had in mind, but this should keep you busy (laughing, maybe crying).

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        • Profile picture of the author ruthless007
          Originally Posted by Lawrh View Post

          I don't know what Sal had in mind, but this should keep you busy (laughing, maybe crying).
          I love Japanese wisdom...but the truth is that it is influenced by us Indians haha...so is all of the Far East.

          But I love Japan and its culture, let alone the hot chicks and Anime...

          sorry guys got carried away there

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  • Profile picture of the author ruthless007
    hey guys,

    i am new here...but this topic grabbed my attention. i am majoring in chemical engineering right now so this BP fuss and alternative energy is kinda attractive to me. i like where this post is going with japan. man japanese are the innovaters really. their technology is way beyond todays thinking.

    but i am interested in making my major into a business by doing IM. could you give me some tips on how noob like me can start out around a likely niche.

    minna, domo arigatto
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