Giving up on Internet Marketing

Thats exactly what you need to do, work really hard at it. Spending money on every offer going just won't do it. What exactly have you done so far. This is like any other business. It takes time and focus and the ability to get up when you fall down.

Can you give us some more info? How long have you been trying this, how much have you spent on what? (The best stuff I ever used to learn was free and $37 for the War room) What have you done other than PLR and blogs? What did you do with the PLR and the blogs? More information and I may be able to help.

No one can show you how to make money, you need to figure out how to do it.

Sounds like you might be jumping from one thing to the next too fast? Try to pick just one thing to commit to and make it work, preferably not the latest "secret."

If you want a relatively quick, easy, and cheap way to see some results then you could start with a few small niche sites, but you will need to learn how to do them correctly though to get results, and that's where a lot of people go wrong.

Then you can move on to bigger sites or other areas such as product creation, services etc.

all the best,
Neil

The point is that you want to be successful...

Giving up is only an option if you want to be a quitter...

The best anyone could do is to give you an outline of what they do, but it is going to be YOUR creativeness and work ethic that will determine your success following any particular plan of action...

If I told you that I haven't worked a job outside my business in five years, because I used article marketing to promote my business, could YOU duplicate that for yourself.... Maybe, but most people will not, due to many circumstances beyond my control...

If I told you that I made some nice side income selling products through the Amazon affiliate program, could you duplicate what I have done? Maybe... but most people will not, due to circumstances beyond my control...

If I told you that I still made a living in 2009 without any new advertising, due to my absence from my business, while I aided my father in his last year on earth, could you duplicate what I did? Maybe, but the answer to that question is not up to me...

I have a friend who earns 7k per month, while paying out 3k in expenses each month, and he is only selling affiliate products from Clickbank...

I have another friend that makes 6-figures a year, after expenses, with hundreds of mini sites...

I have another friend who made roughly $3k yesterday, selling one bulk order for a boring physical product... And his business has been doing this several times a month for years...

I have another friend who has an advertising budget in the six-figures monthly, and he makes a nice profit every month...

The fact is that there are a ton of ways to make money online and more than three dozen ways to build traffic and sales for your business... But can you duplicate what any of these people have done? In the end, it is up to you.

There is no such thing as failure, only results. You haven't failed at internet marketing, you just learned more ways to not succeed. The only way to fail at something is to quit. It's alright if you really want to quit, maybe it's not for you, but if this is something you really want to do, why quit after you've already gained so much practical education?

There's actually quite a few step by step guides right here for free. Here's one of my favorites:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ded-links.html

You can do the steps he outlines for free then once you get a system going and some earnings you can outsource the boring stuff.

It takes a lot of hard work, but if you have already been doing stuff with no success, you have learned some thing not to do so all is not lost.

Are those things in your sig your own products? If so, then maybe you should push harder at marketing those?

Lee

The wedding tips site is really nice.... you should be collecting emails on that one by using one of those slide in things or the thingy that pops up on the bottom.

This is the big question isn't it? But you might be making the same mistake that I made (ok, I still make it sometimes) and that is assuming something won't work before even put in enough effort. Most of the methods you hear about on here do work.... but you need to give them enough time.

So, pick one - whichever one appeals to you the most - the one you thing you can do without getting bored ... make a commitment to stick to it for several months and believe that it will work. Don't get all caught up in self doubt and feeling like you could be wasting your time on something that wont work, just forge ahead and make it work.

Lee

what I would suggest is that you try new things at a faster pace. Stick with one and fail at it FAST, the more you fail the more you learn. You will have a much stronger base if you know EVERYTHING THAT DOES NOT WORK.... Do not quit, the internet marketing community is special and you have been blessed to have been in here. If you stick with 1 thing long enough, I am sure you will succeed.

Thanks for all the help so far. Maybe I need to stay away from all those "membership sites" etc. Maybe I could get another blog going and try and concentrate on it?

I think you are quite right trying too many things.

I'm gonna go against the flow and say "giving up" is not always a bad idea.

Internet marketing, or actually, any other entrepreneurial venture that requires you to work on your own and take full responsibility of your actions is simply not for everyone. I really believe that not everybody can make a sustainable income with IM. And that's simple reality. Some individuals just have certain traits that allow them to really make a killing online. Some others will manage to sustain an income comparable to the "real" world. Yet others will fail because they are lacking certain qualities and characteristics, lacking in experience or lacking the skill set that is required to succeed as an entrepreneur.

Please don't get me wrong, this is not meant to discourage you. Rather, you might want to reevaluate your opportunities. Internet marketing or any other experience of this kind is by no means a waist of time, since after all, you will at least gain some experience.

This is why I would suggest looking at it from another perspective. Just forget making money with IM for the moment (you won't anyhow, not until you've spent around 4-6 months developing your skill-set) and start experimenting. Look at it as an education. Look at it as a research project. Stop buying books and course, everything you need to succeed is already out there (it's not refined, but still out there).

For starts take a concept, like off-site SEO for example and start experimenting a little. What will it take to jump a position? Why does it happen? What will it take to get your site deindexed from Google? Why does it happen? What will it take to drop a position in Google? Why does it happen? And so on...

Sales generation is a pretty simple concept. Traffic->Sales Process->Sale. But what does it really mean? Where is your traffic coming from? You paid for some traffic right? Did you mean SEO or were you talking about buying some traffic, as in visitors to your site (which is a waste of time, if you don't know what you are doing)? Why exactly is your conversion so low? Is it because your traffic is not targeted enough or is because your page is not optimized for sales conversion? There are many questions to be answered. The point is, that no one else but you needs to do the research, experiments and conclusions. Further on, applying the conclusions, doing further research and reaching new conclusions.

If you are not prepared to do so, then yeah, IM is not for you and you'll be better off giving up right now.

Cheers

Hey gary.
I'm not making money online yet, but I think I'm closer than I think, now that I understand how everything works.
The turning point for me was: A MENTOR.
Look here on the WF, in the WSO section, there are a couple of guys that are offering their coaching. See their testimonials, and see what's better for ya. But believe me: a mentor will tell you exactly what to do, how to do it, and... You just don't suffer of information overload

Not everyone is going to make it as an Internet Marketer. If you feel something else is better for you or meets your financial needs, then do it.

No one is going to give you a blueprint. There's a ton of information on this forum and many different ways to make money. You have to pick a method and stick with it, provided that it is a valid method to start with.

If you bounce around from method to method and don't give anything your undivided attention, you won't make much.

You kind of described your problem with your post. Pick 1 thing and stick with it until you get results. I spent many years jumping offer to offer, hot product to hot product and when I didn't get the results I wanted, I'd move on.

Nowadays I've realized that results take time. We IM people often forget that because we see so many 5-6 figure success stories and thing cash is gonna come flooding in.

Bottom line, don't give up! There's a lot of money just sitting there for the taking.

i guess what you need is a plan...A plan which is proven and make sense for you. Also, you need to work hard until you earn your first dollar online.

Do you have to be an internet marketer, or do you want to make money online? They are two completely different things, but if you can find ways to make money so you can take the time to set up your own IM model that works for you, then there is not as much pressure on you to make every single thing you do succeed first time.

My favorite quote - success is going from failure to failure with enthusiasm - (Winston Churchill). Every failure I have had has been a success I have learned from - I am still learning, but making a lot less muck-ups about it now and I have been supporting myself online for ten years.

Look for the free information - set yourself a goal that is S.M.A.R.T and reach it - then move on to the next one - you will succeed eventually even if it is through teaching people how not to make the mistakes you feel you have made, lol.

Best wishes for your ventures
Lisa

I'm not sure why but you have Go0g PSA (Public Service Ads) on all pages of your site... why? Try to figure out why your ads are showing PSA, you get big fat nuttin' for those clicks, and they are taking prime real-estate.
If you can't figure out why:
Re-work some of your affil link offer images to fit that same space, and use them instead. That above-the-fold upper-left link in each article is wasted right now.
Do you monitor your traffic?
Hope that helps

I'm going to suggest a different spin on the 'concentrate on one thing' advice. I've rarely concentrated on one thing at a time, mainly because I don't like to waste time waiting around to see if something works. On the other hand, yes, you do need to put effort into one thing at a time (juggling multiple projects all at the same time is inefficient).

So what I do is concentrate on one STAGE at a time. Pick a project (including a topic, a traffic method, etc), build it, backlink, monetise it and then move on and do another project. Check back on it from time to time, tweak or dump, but don't waste time sitting despondent, refreshing stats looking for sales. Use the time each project takes to get up to speed to prep the next one.

In this way, you can have several irons in the fire (reduces the risk that you've 'wasted' a load of time on something that didn't work, and more to the point reduces the FEAR of doing that), but you still have focus on one thing at any given moment.

I'm not going to suggest a project, a niche, a traffic method, or anything else to you, since you can get lots of suggestions here on WF and elsewhere. Most importantly though, I can pretty much guarantee that what works best for me won't be the thing that works best for you, and vice versa. Just keep stepping out into the 'oncoming traffic' of opportunity, and you will find your answer.

To finish with a cliche: You have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find the Prince. Keep on kissing, but use your time efficiently by being a 'serial monogamist' with your projects.

Spend some time soaking up all the information in this forum, it's valuable. To answer your question you DO have to work hard, and EVERY DAY. This isn't something that you can do for a couple days and then make thousands. If you're first starting out it will take alot of hustle and dedication.

If you were to quit now, you would be labelled as a loser. Never be a loser cos it does not feel good. Be persistent and focus on just 1 business plan till you earn something substantial. Then you go on to be successful in other fields. That is the way you should go.

This conversation actually inspired me to write a little something about quiting and motivation and everything we've been talking about. Hopefully any newer people also frustrated can get something from it:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-anything.html

One thing I have learned is that mistakes should make you a stronger and better marketer. Not everything you try will work. It's learning from those mistakes and growing your business that is most important. It's fine to feel frustrated, but you don't see ready to throw in the towel to me

The question is not how much you’ve spent on it but the amount of time you spend in setting everything up. You have to remember that perseverance is another the key in internet marketing. Remember that everyone has challenges before earning big time. As you stay in the industry, I agree that you should do research not only in fine-tuning your website but also in studying your competition to be on top. Assess your website and compare ti with your competition to see how you can still change it for the best.

The question is not how much you've spent on it but the amount of time you spend in setting everything up. You have to remember that perseverance is another the key in internet marketing. Remember that everyone has challenges before earning big time. As you stay in the industry, I agree that you should do research not only in fine-tuning your website but also in studying your competition to be on top. Assess your website and compare ti with your competition to see how you can still change it for the best.

"Life is not easy for any of us, we must work, and above all, we must believe ourselvers", that's a famous saying from Maria Sklodowska-Curie.
As for your side, you must belive you can get succeed firstly, then you will have possibility to get succeed.
Keep learning from others, from this and other forums.

Garyogden

I dont blame you for wanting to give up - Ive reached that point many times but havent got there. I get very fed up sometimes because I work VERY HARD every day yet I dont see the results. I do make sales/money but its very slow. Sometimes I think why do i bother as i seem to just make websites for people to look at and thats it. I do eberything as recommended yet i dont see very good results.

HOWEVER I will continue. I know it can take 2 years for anyone to see any real gains - it takes time to get everythign in place. You also have to hit the right niche - one that isnt over crowded and finding out what that is can take a while if you arent using the right methods.

Also I actually enjoy the challenge and I see it all as long term investment in the future. I have had some big sales recently on som every expensive Amazon items so I shall just continue.

I would say hang on in there, try lots of different things to see what works best and stick with it. And remember - its an investment in your future!

The thing with marriage tips is that people are
usually not interested in the topic for long. They
get married, they move on.

I also have to disagree with the common "stick with
one method". Sticking with one site and try
everything you can to drive traffic to that site is a
much better strategy.

Tyrus

Gary,
creating that one ebook is not going to make you much money. You need a solid plan on what other areas can you write about. Make it link, so that you have a string of relevant products you can promote to your buyers.

You also need a solid promotion plan. I've heard of so many stories of people creating that one big ebook and then it collects digital dust because nobody is going to their website to buy.

And you will get so many different advices, and you get pulled in different directions, and then you are back to square one.

Find one plan that resonates with you, something you think you can do, then find all the information you can about this one plan. Synthesize the information, then get going.

All the best

Giving up is not the solution. A winner never quit, a quitter never wins.

Don't give up. It took two years for me to make any sort of money online. What did I do? I finally stopped buying stuff, sat down, made a list of what I knew how to do well, and worked harder than I ever had before.

What happened? I started making some money. Don't give up, if you keep working it will happen.

I sent you a PM... good luck!

What you don't know is that you could have some success
as soon as tomorrow and you wouldn't know it. Fact is that
whatever new venture you begin you are guaranteed to
face problems for however long it takes for you to learn the
lessons specific for you to learn.

I love, love, love making money online -- but this love didn't
come overnight and there were many times where I thought
about quitting...

now I'm making over $50+ per day without doing much of
anything for work.

I imagine sometimes what would have happened if I quit
just before I was about to succeed...could I LIVE with that
for the rest of my life and when I leave my body and see
what could have been had I stuck with it?

I don't have to worry about that ever because I know what
it's like to succeed, and YOU will to -- so if you quit, you
failed yourself because you're to deep in to give up when
you're in the middle, you may as well see it all the way to
the end.

I've been there as well, bought a course called Commission Blueprint and then spend money for adsense like the course told me to. The income doesn't cover up the expenses. So i quit for a year and gave up the dream.

I realize now that i was a naive newbie who expecting fast result. Internet business is the same as real business, so it takes time to develop. Now I'm focusing more on SEO to get my traffic, and the result far better than before. It takes longer, but like any other business.... its all about being patient and persistent.

One easy way to make money right now is head off to eBay, watch what the power sellers are selling, and try and find out where they are getting their stuff from, (some of the time you might just view source on the images used and find the site) and viola you can undercut them, thats how some people start

Not trying to be contrary or anything but - If you are not enjoying it, if you are tired of the hard work, can't face struggling on and are financially strapped as a result of your internet marketing, then my advice would be to give up (at least for a while).

I think internet marketing is a bit like smoking - most who give up come back to it at some point Unlike smoking it's not as unhealhy for you.

I've had some successes online in the past, and in each case i've screwed things up.
I've not being internet marketing for a couple of years, and I don't regret it for a bit.

Even during my more successful periods I was never able to quit my lucrative day job because I was carrying massive debts from a previous failure.

Now I am completely debt free, revitalised and raring to go. I've come back done a bit of research on what is working now and am taking focused effective action. I'm no longer looking for the quick and easy way to make money. It's early days but at least knowing that I've made money before I am supremely confident that I can make money again, and having learnt from all the mistakes i made previously I can only succeed.

So don't call it giving up - call it regrouping or taking a break.
But when you do come back pick one idea that others report success with and work it till you make money.

If you are banging your head against a brick wall, it seems ludicrous to just move along three paces and start banging your head again, simply because you've put so much time and effort into head banging. Take a break, a step back and you might see there's a door you could use instead.

I could not go through all the responses you have here, but coming from the Warrior community, I'm sure they are all valuable.

I went without making anything substantial during the first few years of my IM journey. It was only in the last couple of years that things changed for the better. One morning I woke up and found myself making money.

There are many routes you can take, but to reach your destination, you have to stick to one and see where it takes you. You seem to have ended up in maze not knowing how to get out. This happens when we try to do everything at the same time.

My advice would be to follow your passion. Since you now know how everything works, what did you enjoy working on the most? Is it website creation? Why not look at flipping websites? Or perhaps its affiliate marketing?

Finally, I will have to say this...don't do anything just to make a few dollars quickly. Whatever it is that you choose to do, look at the value you're providing. Things will start going your way soon enough.

Wow.. what a community. I joined Warrior Forum recently. This is the first thread I read - and I am impressed by the suggestions, encouragement , help that is shown here. My friend told me I can find pots of GOLD here - how true...

Gary, congratulate yourself for doing one right thing among a list of many, by being here. Remember that we may fail at something, but that doesn't make us a failure in life.

In the Success journey, you would end up doing and trying out different things before you end up finding THE ONE ONE that is your Niche. But before you give up on any area, be fair to yourself and ask yourself if you have put in enough work that emulate the success models that are around, and experimented enough ( much suggestions and advice can be found in this community ). Remember Einstein's quote " Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results " .

All the Best Gary, and GOD bless.

I found my problem was I was going from one great thing to the next, and not really giving anything 100% commitment.

Now I am just focussing on my blog, let me tell you it is hard when I see all the fantastic offers here, but I put my blinkers on and only buy or download what I can use to enhance my blog now.

I think focus is key.

One of the mistakes people do when they start Internet marketing is buying anything without evaluating how it could work in theory, if you could understand why a particular product sells by looking at it through the mindset of the buyer, then you would understand why a particular page, banner, ad simply performs better than others, and having the basic understanding of why a particular product can work in a niche, will give you more to decide whether to buy a product that might aide your cause

Dam, I remember a blog post that talked about the 4-success cycle. It could be good use to you. I'll see if I can find it.

Thanks it's been nice working with you .

The last mile of a million mile run is not the time to quit. We have all been there and now some of us are "here"... looking back I can tell you that I felt like I was getting nowhere all the way up to the last mile... but hindsight is 20 /20 and each step, though they felt wobbly and unsure, were the very steps that were leading me to where I wanted to be.

I could not say it better myself, your right. You need to focus on one method and go for it. Take the inlineseo.com, Lisa the owner did not make 10k a month until the 9th or 10th month. She knew that it would work from previous experience of research. Nothing happen for at least 3 to 4 month, yes, she was making income but small.

Just stay focus on one thing, you have limited resources to follow all the sales letters that clutter your inbox. Just focus and work it out step by step.

Think of it as gardening. You plant the seeds and have to take care of the land as fertilizer, watering, and weeding, without all three your project (crop) will not produce a harvest. Put your blinders on, focus. Once a farmer plants cron, he cannot change his mind and plant wheat later. It just will not work. Make do.

John T.

I guess I am not ready to give in just not sure where to start again. it is good and nice for people. i have done that before, i need something new and exciting to try i guess. Internet Marketing is a huge market.