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15 years ago

London is the most expensive part of the UK You should research other areas as well.
2 bed flat in Scotland or Wales about £400/£475 depending on location.

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seasoned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by g4r3th

London is the most expensive part of the UK You should research other areas as well.
2 bed flat in Scotland or Wales about £400/£475 depending on location.

So scotland or wales NOW costs about as much as the average place in the US, and is comparable. Of course, in New York, and some places in California, rent can be FAR more expensive.

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Dimitris Skiadas

15 years ago

Thanks for all your answers so far!

I thought of Australia too.What is the cost of living there?Or the cost of living HongKong?I d prefer though somewhere they speak English

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hardraysnight

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Garage667

Thanks for all your answers so far!

I thought of Australia too.What is the cost of living there?Or the cost of living HongKong?I d prefer though somewhere they speak English

Well,that rules out Australia.

It seems, a few years ago, Melbourne was the second biggest greek speaking city in the world.

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15 years ago

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by muzikhd

I don't suggest India although i am from India, because here the political stuffs are very worse lots and lots of corruption, I Would prefer NewYork to you, but don't know the cost of living out there........!

There are a LOT of reasons to not live in india. Outside of lower prices, I can't really think of one reason for a foreigner to live there. Quite a few new york cities, including new york itself, are expensive. They are ALSO CROWDED. Watch seinfeld, and you get only a TASTE! Imagine all the shows concerning where to park a car, or even keep one, and the long waits for an assigned place. Not ALL places are like that, of course, but a LOT ARE!

ALSO, a foreigner will have a HARD time in India with language. I, for one, don't even know how INDIANS do so well. I mean they have stylized printing in many areas, and may have like 8 languages on one relatively small sign. Some english speakers have ENOUGH trouble with some old english, or old german, script.

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hardraysnight

15 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

There are a LOT of reasons to not live in india. Outside of lower prices, I can't really think of one reason for a foreigner to live there. Quite a few new york cities, including new york itself, are expensive. They are ALSO CROWDED. Watch seinfeld, and you get only a TASTE! Imagine all the shows concerning where to park a car, or even keep one, and the long waits for an assigned place. Not ALL places are like that, of course, but a LOT ARE!

ALSO, a foreigner will have a HARD time in India with language. I, for one, don't even know how INDIANS do so well. I mean they have stylized printing in many areas, and may have like 8 languages on one relatively small sign. Some english speakers have ENOUGH trouble with some old english, or old german, script.

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Watching Seinfeld, is, undeniably, the best reason to look at London.

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AliceInk 15 years ago

New Zealand seems really cool....especially with all of those hobbits and elves hanging around.
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derekwong28

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Garage667

Thanks for all your answers so far!

I thought of Australia too.What is the cost of living there?Or the cost of living HongKong?I d prefer though somewhere they speak English

Hong Kong Is World's Most Expensive Place to Buy Home on Property Shortage - Bloomberg

"Hong Kong is 55 percent more expensive than London, based on an index published today by the property broker that compares the U.K. capital with the other cities. Moscow is 7.4 percent more expensive than London and New York is 15 percent cheaper."

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

Hong Kong Is World's Most Expensive Place to Buy Home on Property Shortage - Bloomberg

"Hong Kong is 55 percent more expensive than London, based on an index published today by the property broker that compares the U.K. capital with the other cities. Moscow is 7.4 percent more expensive than London and New York is 15 percent cheaper."

Try Aspen, Colorado. The average cost of a home in Aspen in $6 million. The lowest priced house for sale was about $600,000, and it's in a trailer park.

Luxury Real Estate: Aspen, the Most Expensive Town in America - WSJ.com

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Try Aspen, Colorado. The average cost of a home in Aspen in $6 million. The lowest priced house for sale was about $600,000, and it's in a trailer park.

Luxury Real Estate: Aspen, the Most Expensive Town in America - WSJ.com

We are talking about major cities, especially with regards to price per sq ft. There are lots of smaller places that are more expensive than that. For example Monaco and a few areas around Mecca and Dubai. But you are not going to beat this.

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The most expensive street in the world.

The Severn Street in Hong Kong, offers properties at a whopping $78,200 a square meter, that amounts to $8,689 a square foot.

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

We are talking about major cities. There are lots of smaller places that are more expensive than that. For example Monaco and a few areas around Mecca and Dubai. But you are not going to beat this.

World

Can you please point out the post where we were only talking about "major cities"? I seemed to have missed that rule, especially when the title of the thread says "countries", not cities.

Aspen is a major ski resort, maybe the most famous ski resort in the World. And because of this, Aspen is the most expensive city in the US, not New York or San Fran, so it's one that can be used for comparison.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Can you please point out the post where we were only talking about "major cities"? I seemed to have missed that rule, especially when the title of the thread says "countries", not cities.

Aspen is a major ski resort, maybe the most famous ski resort in the World. And because of this, Aspen is the most expensive city in the US, not New York or San Fran, so it's one that can be used for comparison.

Kurt, Aspen is not a country isn't it, and it does't represent the US. Nor does Severn Rd represent Hong Kong. In fact, a survey of affordability I saw earlier this year says that US and Canada have the most affordable housing.

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Kurt

15 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

Kurt, Aspen is not a country isn't it, and it does't represent the US. Nor does Severn Rd represent Hong Kong. In fact, a survey of affordability I saw earlier this year says that US and Canada have the most affordable housing.

Derek, I didn't make the claim. YOU did...YOU need to live up to YOUR claims, not me. I'll talk about what I want to talk about, just like you are.

Now please answer my direct question: Where is the post that said we can only talk about "major cities", as you claimed in your earlier post? If you are going to correct me, I expect you to be correct.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Derek, I didn't make the claim. YOU did...YOU need to live up to YOUR claims, not me. I'll talk about what I want to talk about, just like you are.

Now please answer my direct question: Where is the post that said we can only talk about "major cities", as you claimed in your earlier post? If you are going to correct me, I expect you to be correct.

Hong Kong is not a country and the Savills survey was carried out on 4 cities only. London and New York was specifically mentioned by the OP, and Hong Kong was suggested by a subsequent post. Since the OP then made a enquiry about Hong Kong, I thought it was reasonable for me to reply, even though Hong Kong is not a country.

I just just cannot see why Aspen is representative of the US. Would you recommend Aspen to a newcomer to the US.

I think you are being worked up unnecessarily. For God's sake, this is just a forum, this is not life and death. If I am wrong, do you require me to go down on my knees and beg forgiveness.

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hardraysnight

15 years ago

Originally Posted by derekwong28

We are talking about major cities, especially with regards to price per sq ft. There are lots of smaller places that are more expensive than that. For example Monaco and a few areas around Mecca and Dubai. But you are not going to beat this.

World

The most expensive street in the world.

The Severn Street in Hong Kong, offers properties at a whopping $78,200 a square meter, that amounts to $8,689 a square foot.

I fear you have your metres and yards mixed up. The figure you quote equates a metre as exactly the same as a yard. it is bigger and better and much more civilised.

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Originally Posted by oncewerewarriors

I fear you have your metres and yards mixed up. The figure you quote equates a metre as exactly the same as a yard. it is bigger and better and much more civilised.

For some reason, these figures are quoted by both Bloomberg and WSJ. So I don't whether the sq metre or sq ft figure is correct. But things are more complicated in Hong Kong because people normally use construction floor area rather than usable floor area. Construction floor area includes the space taken up by walls, and also common area you may share with other tenants. Therefore, properties listed for sale or rent are much smaller than equivalent properties elsewhere.

But whatever the truth, there are a number of areas in Hong Kong that are now out of this world. It is buyers from China who are rmainly esponsible for driving the market up 70% within the past two and half years. You see lots of appartments in luxury developments that are unoccupied. This is extremely galling to local people and many would like to see some sort of crash. It is just ridiculous seeing how many million dollar plus properties there are in low middle class areas. I just don't how young people will ever be able to afford this, giving a 30-50% downpayment is required. There are literally people living in cages here and that is how bad the housing situation is.

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gareth

15 years ago

Come to New Zealand

If the whole world collapses we will survive

.. even nuclear war

Only an epidemic will knock us kiwi's off.

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hardraysnight 15 years ago

Originally Posted by gareth

Come to New Zealand

If the whole world collapses we will survive

.. even nuclear war

Only an epidemic will knock us kiwi's off.

But most New Zealanders want to reduce immigration. The politicians never ask, because they know the answer.

Many say immigration, is, indeed, an epidemic. Remember New Zealand was founded as a bi cultural country, not a multicultural country. Long may it remain.

Who needs immigration?
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Joe Mobley 15 years ago

I have a subscription to Live and Invest Overseas. You may want to check it out.

Live and Invest Overseas | Publisher Kathleen Peddicord

Moving to the US from Greece might be the financial equivalent of moving from Hiroshima to Nagasaki in August of 1945.

Give long consideration to your decision.

Best of luck.

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- seasoned 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Joe Mobley
  
  Moving to the US from Greece might be the financial equivalent of moving from Hiroshima to Nagasaki in August of 1945.
  
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  TLTheLiberator 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by seasoned
  
  NICE COMPARISON!
  
  I disagree.
  
  It's an ill-informed comparison.
  
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  seasoned 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator
  
  I disagree.
  
  It's an ill-informed comparison.
  
  TL
  
  Well, ICSM, but THAT would be deemed political, even thought it is really ECONOMIC!
  
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Dimitris Skiadas

15 years ago

Ive heard so many good words about New Zealand so far and i started concidering it very seriously.I ve been in London 10 months ago.It was awesome!It was too expensive-that's true-but i enojoyed everything there (as a tourist though).Being in New York or Australia would be a dream come true for me.

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max168

15 years ago

Whatever you do, don't move to New Zealand. The shock of living in a country that uses common sense might set off an seizure or something. Now your best bet is to move to the US. Just think of the smooth transition going from one financially screwed up country to another.
Here's a comparison of the countries when you turn on the tv:
Greece: OH MY GOD, WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!
US: OH MY GOD, WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL FASTER THAT ANYONE ELSE! (We win!)
New Zealand: Nothing new to report, just another nice a peaceful day.

Now can you handle that kind of non-stress? Are you mentally stable enough to handle it?

Another thing. I didn't want to bring this up, but I have to for your own good. In New Zealand, they drive on the wrong side of the street. Also, your going to have to get used to living upside down. Don't even mention the toilets... Did you know they flush counter clockwise? If that doesn't tell you something's wrong, I don't know what will.

I've said all I can to save you sanity. It's up to you now.

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myeanne

15 years ago

I would love to live in Paris or London.

I even wanted to visit those places.

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Leanne King

15 years ago

No better place than Australia IMO

But I may be a little biased ...

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gareth 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Leanne King

No better place than Australia IMO But I may be a little biased ...

Can I come sleep on your couch for 2 years until I can get the dole please Leanne ?
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Mohit Anand

15 years ago

Being an Internet Marketer, I feel I can live anywhere. Pick up the city you love. After living a nomadic life for nearly a decade, I'm back in my hometown and taking care of old people here. NONE of my school-mates are here. I miss them. This city misses them!

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derekwong28

15 years ago

Thailand is a favorite among IMers but it is politically unstable at the moment and could get worse.

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...mething-4.html

You can also look at the Philippines where a lot of work is outsourced there.

The truth is that you will not find many places on earth that is cheaper than Greece.

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seasoned

15 years ago

TL,

WHY would I have a private argument with you on this? I started saying more, but it would be considered political.

Steve

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Robert Mangan

15 years ago

My family and I moved to Melbourne, Australia 3 years ago. We're on a work visa but have applied for permanent residency. All I can say is that Melbourne is a great place to live. The cost of food though was a shock. Considering that just about all fruit and veg being sold in Australia is grown in Austrlia it's more expensive than in the U.K. which has to import most of its fruit and veg. Wine, beer and spirits are more expensive here too.

However, housing is way cheaper here. I can afford to rent a modern, 2 bedroom apartment (on the St Kilda road which is right in the centre in a nice part of town, just off the Botanical Gardens). I could never have afford to rent the same type of apartment is the same sort of central and desirable location when I was living in London.

The weather is better than the U.K. too.

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OrangeTree

15 years ago

Moving to any new country is, of course, a huge step. There are cultural differences, and big lifestyle differences. Of course, having never lived in Athens, I cannot make an informed comparison!

But most European capital cities are expensive, and only viable if you are ready for a hectic lifestyle, and are certain of getting work to support the costs.

A big part of your decision making process will be based on your reasons for moving. If it is lifestyle based, looking for a relaxed pace of life, then London is the last place in the UK to put on your shopping list, for example. But if you want access to the opportunities of a big city, it is good, and you can access London without living right in it.

This, I suspect, is true of many other parts of the world too. I would suspect the right thing to do is to be clear of your reasons, and make a short list based on that. They start your research.

Remember though, that when people like me start dishing out advice on where to live, we are all hugely biased!

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zoqy71

15 years ago

It rather depends on the passport you hold. If a Greek one, then moving outside of Europe is a pain unless offered a job or you have a great deal of money.
I'm English and have lived in the south France for a decade, but have not decided to move. Taking a gap year or two to see which way the economy goes. Going to spend 6 months to a year in India and then may another year in South East Asia. I'm a blogger/photographer/videographer so I make money by traveling.
When I return to Europe I will be looking at Luxembough/Andorra for a permanent home but will keep my holiday place is Sicily for the winter months.

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Warima

15 years ago

why don't you try Kenya. Things are cheap and life is simple and yes internet is available. one thing though is that living in AFRICA is cheap as compared to other places but Juba is expensive which is weird really

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hardraysnight

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Warima

why don't you try Kenya. Things are cheap and life is simple and yes internet is available. one thing though is that living in AFRICA is cheap as compared to other places but Juba is expensive which is weird really

Excellent ice cream too as I recall.

The best reason of all

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capshats

15 years ago

well. welcome to China~

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nancyjan

15 years ago

My advice is goes to Mars because earth is not safe to live.

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whitewave

15 years ago

London is a dump. OK if you like having no fesh air and paying through the nose for everything.

Have you looked at the couch surfers web site? You can go anywhere in the world and sleep on people's couches for free. Just watch out for the psycho's!

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Scott B

15 years ago

The beauty of Internet Marketing: Live Anywhere You Want!

There are many great places in the U.S. outside of New York City. Also places as diverse as Bankok to Panama have large numbers of English speakers.

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15 years ago

Yep. Since I started my IM'ing I have moved twice and have had a couple of nice road trips.

It really didn't hit me until I was on the road and had to get a weekly real estate report out.

Zephyrhills (near Tampa) -> McDonalds -> WiFi -> laptop -> reports created and AWeber broadcast setup -> done! About an hour and forty five minutes.

I remember walking to the car thinking how cool is that!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

Yep. Since I started my IM'ing I have moved twice and have had a couple of nice road trips.

It really didn't hit me until I was on the road and had to get a weekly real estate report out.

Zephyrhills (near Tampa) -> McDonalds -> WiFi -> laptop -> reports created and AWeber broadcast setup -> done! About an hour and forty five minutes.

I remember walking to the car thinking how cool is that!

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Thats really cool. I wish I could do that one time..

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