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Paypal is stealing from kids. Source: Techcrunch!

by RuneE
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Hey guys and gals.
Just wanted to share this as I read it:

Do You Hear What I Hear? Yes, It’s Paypal Stealing Money From Kids | TechCrunch

Turns out they REALLY suck!

Nothing new huh?

About time to get to know other payment processors.

Please share this around if you want to guys but a fair word of warning:

If they steal from Charity... WATCH OUT!
#paypal issues
  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    PAYPAL: You can use the donate button to raise money for a sick cat, but not poor people.
    Rofl...Santa Pal




    Some of these places are getting so big, the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing.
    IMHO
    The CS rep was thinking they had to follow some rule about non-profits or something.


    They did say they released the money tho...nothing like looking like the Grinch who stole Christmas
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Okay - Paypal can do some seriously abominable things - but this one needs to be cleared up.

    The "charities" are not being stolen from -- did you see that the account holders are being forced to refund the donations?

    Why?
    Because they are not legitimate charities - they have no legal business papers designating them as charities. In other words - they may just be fraud plain and simple. They may not be - the owner of the cited charity may have a heart of gold - but with no charity designation, you can't run a charity under law, just like you need a business license to do anything else.

    So paypal is not STEALING - they are following the law. If that business had sold something to the donors, then given the money from the product to the kids, it would not have been closed down. Their business registration is "for profit".

    Bottom line is that if you hold a fundraiser - you have to know what the laws are and make sure you follow them. There are a million scam artists out there that would love to use the excuse of fundraising to steal money. If this business would have done it correctly - they'd not have gotten shut down. All they had to do is make a small ebook or two to sell, then use the proceeds however they wished - and it would have been tax deductable as well.

    Find a new rant - this one doesn't work.
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    • Profile picture of the author RuneE
      Forgive me if you thought I was ranting here. Simply giving away information that ALREADY has been spoke of from Techcrunch.com

      Just saying it is not the first time people are having issues with Paypal and maybe it is time to look for a new solution then them.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        If I stopped using every service other people have a problem with - I'd have to get a real job.:p
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by RuneE View Post

        Forgive me if you thought I was ranting here. Simply giving away information that ALREADY has been spoke of from Techcrunch.com

        Just saying it is not the first time people are having issues with Paypal and maybe it is time to look for a new solution then them.

        Regards

        Elling
        I have heard DOZENS, maybe HUNDREDS, but CERTAINLY dozens, of people effectively say that paypal is rotten, etc.... because paypal wouldn't let them rip off people, break the law, and launder money! SERIOUSLY! Sometimes they almost use those SAME words. They are open and shut GUILTY and likely they aren't behind bars! Is paypal bad? MAYBE! But a LOT of the things paypal is accused of are just WRONG!

        THIS sounds like one of them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Roaddog
    PayPal Statement:
    We can’t comment specifically on the Regretsy.com account due to our privacy policy. However, we can confirm that the funds have been released and we are working directly with the account holder on this matter. We are also making a donation to Regretsy to help families in need this holiday season. We’re very sorry this occurred.
    For reference, we have clear guidelines for any business who uses PayPal to accept donations. For example, we require certain documentation to prevent misuse of the donated funds and, if the recipient claims charitable status, to determine whether they are properly registered. As a regulated payment service, we’re also required by law to follow these guidelines.
    We appreciate that this can be an inconvenience, but we have a responsibility to all our customers – both donors and recipients; or buyers and sellers. In this instance, we recognized our error and moved as swiftly as possible to fix it.
    That's not what I read Sal, they did make a mistake and admitted it.
    It was also the donee's? lol....mistake for not using the right button and/or not getting verified as a non profit..

    Hey if you can't make fun of those Grinches at Xmas...what's it for?

    Being as(un)regulated as they are, they do indeed pull a lot of crap.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Okay - they admitted they made the mistake. That's not paypal's fault. On the other hand, they have seized a lot of accounts for no other reason than the person has started to finally make some good money -- I'd be more likely to bitch about that one.

    It is sad though that we have to jump through these kind of hoops to be able to get some help out to little kids. That's what happens when the population sits around their tv's with their finger in their noses and their thumbs up their butt while the nation gets turned into a corporation. Sorry about our luck -- but it's totally our own fault. That doesn't make us scrooge....but it does make us Goofy.

    Get your cartoons straight, man.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    Here in Florida we have tons of phoney "donation" scams targeting the elderly. Most of these use phone boiler rooms to solicit. For every one that gets shut down three more pop up. One guy recently had about thirty of these going all at once. The money is gone and because he made very small donations to a variety of charities he may be a quarter of an inch inside the law. Mostly his lawyer speaks for him as he is on an extended vacation in Aruba. (His former business model was running psychic hot lines.)

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Paypal's problem here is that they don't make the guidelines clear when someone goes to use a donation button. I mean, if it IS unlawful for someone without the right taxcode to accept charity, then paypal DOES have the technology to prevent donation buttons from being made until they have the documentation they need.

    Let's be real here - even on this forum I've seen dozens of cases where people have been taking charity for fellow forum members using paypal's donation button, and I'm pretty sure none of them are legally qualified to do so.

    Personally, I think that paypal operates like this on purpose. They want people to break their poorly written rules, because they make money when people break them. Then every now and then they'll freeze arbitrary accounts, just to show that they're making an effort to follow the law. It's the only way they stay ahead of the game against companies that actually obey the law.

    One of these days it will catch of with them in a major way. (of course I've been saying that for years and it never has yet)
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Come on - there are clear rules about charitable donations and also statements about the potential of a "site review" for those using the donate button. Laws about charitable donations are not paypal laws - but they have to abide by them. There are enough fake charities as it is. The site in question is not a nonprofit nor a registered charity - that's why the review occurred when money was pouring in.

      This site owner basically says they are "above" being reviewed. The service rep at paypal was wrong - but looking at the attitude displayed on the website (and the language) I have to wonder if the rep reacted in anger and made a bad decision during a review.

      Now the site owner wants paypal to "donate" $100 each for 200 kids. Don't ask for much, do they? I have to wonder - if they collect as much money as they say - why only 200 kids are helped?

      The story's over but I expect the paypal bashing will go on till January.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by wisdomofthelord View Post

      Hello Warriors, please i need your kind assistance here, anyone with a useful information concerning my problems should help me.

      I am a Nigerian and also a newbie to online business, I am a sailor but my wife is now forcing me to resign because my job warrants that i spend between 4 to 6 months outside my country without seeing her till the end of my contract and it is becoming unbearable for her. Now I'm considering quitting my job but i need a place to fall back on, while i'm not good in offline marketing because i have spent most of my youthful age at sea and may not easily fit into the society, i considered trying online.
      Despite all my efforts to stand, the further i go, the emptier i become, I've lost much on my online pursuit all to no avail.
      Please if anyone can help me through the right way without causing me more pain, I will forever remain grateful to him and God Almighty.
      Secondly, I'm a Nigerian as I said, while i discovered that most online transactions cannot be done without having a PAYPAL account, I tried to create one but found out that Nigeria is not listed so it is impossible for me get it.
      In other to match forward, i created the account through a friend of mine in South Africa but yet, i need a credit card to confirm it because the master card that i use was rejected and a request made for me to activate it with card from PAYPAL recognized countries.
      I know Warriors forum is a place for all online solutions that's why i've published this, if anyone can help me out, please advice, you can PM me or reply below.
      Thanks for your patience and kind bigheartedness.
      Wisdom.
      I SWEAR, I did NOT see this post prior to my posting my last post here. Should I translate?

      1. People in my country have cheated SO many that we are KNOWN for fraud!
      2. Processors ask their customers to not do business with us!
      3. Paypal has decided to COMPLY!
      4. Please help me to rip off paypal, and have them breach their contract! PLEASE help me violate anti money-laundering laws!
      5. Take a chance, and HOPE I don't rip YOU off!
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  • Profile picture of the author BarbaraP
    Mr. Nigeria "wisdomofthelord" has posted this "appeal" in several WF threads. WF needs to shut him down in case the 'sucker born every minute' is within the thousands of fellow Warriors.
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