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A Problem With The Death Sentence

by thunderbird
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Does this monster deserve a convenient exit? Karma should make him experience the suffering of his innocent victim, not just provide him with an escape from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    That is such a sick statement I don't know what to think about it. Nobody that is such a "monster" is sane. Put them out of their misery, or confine them away from society - but you don't torture any life form. That's just too bizarre to think about. If you can torture a life form, you are not much different from the "monster" you want to torture.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      That is such a sick statement I don't know what to think about it. Nobody that is such a "monster" is sane. Put them out of their misery, or confine them away from society - but you don't torture any life form. That's just too bizarre to think about. If you can torture a life form, you are not much different from the "monster" you want to torture.
      Of course it not legally viable. Also, there are too many innocent people wrongfully convicted crimes they did not commit. However, that is what he deserves. That sadistic murderer has a long history of manipulating and extracting money from women, including pimping, often utilizing dating sites to harvest them. Such calculated and plotted out behavior shows that he is evil, not insane. He was searching the Internet on how to abduct and molest children and initiated a troubled woman in his plot to abduct that little girl then sadistically molest and murder her. I think medieval solutions would be indeed warranted in his case, but not feasible. Now, Canadian taxpayers will, at great cost, subsidize his existence for the rest of his life in prison, protected and separated from inmates who'd carry out the punishment he deserves.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        You never know what may happen in prison. Jeffrey Dahmer was separated also, but still was attacked twice, the second time proving lethal.

        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Now, Canadian taxpayers will, at great cost, subsidize his existence for the rest of his life in prison, protected and separated from inmates who'd carry out the punishment he deserves.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Of course it not legally viable. Also, there are too many innocent people wrongfully convicted crimes they did not commit. However, that is what he deserves. That sadistic murderer has a long history of manipulating and extracting money from women, including pimping, often utilizing dating sites to harvest them. Such calculated and plotted out behavior shows that he is evil, not insane. He was searching the Internet on how to abduct and molest children and initiated a troubled woman in his plot to abduct that little girl then sadistically molest and murder her. I think medieval solutions would be indeed warranted in his case, but not feasible. Now, Canadian taxpayers will, at great cost, subsidize his existence for the rest of his life in prison, protected and separated from inmates who'd carry out the punishment he deserves.
        Brutal murders are very sick and twisted occurrences. It is hard to fathom how the mind of a person that can commit acts of torture and murder that they do.

        It is equally hard for me to fathom that someone can see their mind different from the perpetrators if they condone torture as a remedy. You could stand and torture a person while they twist and scream in agony - your mind could accept that -yet you are different? How? Even the sickest think they have good solid reasons for inflicting pain and death. So "paybacks" is something so much more justifiable? That person needs to "learn a lesson" and torture will teach it to them? Sorry - it might take them back to whatever incident in their own life that made them the miserable, sick, and twisted individual they turned into - but it's not going to teach them **** from shinola - and if the purpose is death anyway - why torture? What does it fix? It fixes one thing -- the vicious and sick tendencies of those who like to think they are pious.

        I see our whole society becoming more violent - and it scares me. The purpose of putting someone to death for a murder is because they cannot be rehabilitated and they need to be gotten OUT of society to keep others safe. It's not to satisfy everyone else's closet violence.

        Look at the guy a few years ago that ran onto a ball field and was tased. A stupid little fun time prank that used to be mainstream type of playfullness -- and people were cheering that he was subjected to electricity for it.

        WTF is wrong with people? Violence is NOT going to end violence. It just makes people believe that if society condones the violence being committed that it's okay. Let's go back to stoning. WTH. It would be a LOT more fun than fines or prison, wouldn't it?
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Of course it not legally viable. Also, there are too many innocent people wrongfully convicted crimes they did not commit. However, that is what he deserves. That sadistic murderer has a long history of manipulating and extracting money from women, including pimping, often utilizing dating sites to harvest them. Such calculated and plotted out behavior shows that he is evil, not insane. He was searching the Internet on how to abduct and molest children and initiated a troubled woman in his plot to abduct that little girl then sadistically molest and murder her. I think medieval solutions would be indeed warranted in his case, but not feasible. Now, Canadian taxpayers will, at great cost, subsidize his existence for the rest of his life in prison, protected and separated from inmates who'd carry out the punishment he deserves.
        Brutal murders are very sick and twisted occurrences. It is hard to fathom how the mind of a person that can commit acts of torture and murder that they do.

        It is equally hard for me to fathom that someone can see their mind different from the perpetrators if they condone torture as a remedy. You could stand and torture a person while they twist and scream in agony - your mind could accept that -yet you are different? How? Even the sickest think they have good solid reasons for inflicting pain and death. So "paybacks" is something so much more justifiable? That person needs to "learn a lesson" and torture will teach it to them? Sorry - it might take them back to whatever incident in their own life that made them the miserable, sick, and twisted individual they turned into - but it's not going to teach them **** from shinola - and if the purpose is death anyway - why torture? What does it fix? It fixes one thing -- the vicious and sick tendencies of those who like to think they are pious.

        I see our whole society becoming more violent - and it scares me. The purpose of putting someone to death for a murder is because they cannot be rehabilitated and they need to be gotten OUT of society to keep others safe. It's not to satisfy everyone else's closet violence.

        Look at the guy a few years ago that ran onto a ball field and was tased. A stupid little fun time prank that used to be mainstream type of playfullness -- and people were cheering that he was subjected to electricity for it.

        WTF is wrong with people? Violence is NOT going to end violence. It just makes people believe that if society condones the violence being committed that it's okay. Let's go back to stoning. WTH. It would be a LOT more fun than fines or prison, wouldn't it? We could all be animals and be sanctified for it at the same time!
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    • Profile picture of the author finzguy
      I m astonished that someone posted that a person could not do those types of acts and be sane. There are sane but evil people out there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
        He and his co-defendant, Steven Hayes, were convicted of killing Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her daughters. Hayes raped and strangled Hawke-Petit, while Komisarjevsky sexually assaulted her 11-year-old daughter, Michaela. Michaela and her 17-year-old sister, Hayley, were tied to their beds and died of smoke inhalation after the house was doused in gas and set on fire.
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        Sell tickets.
        Sell television rights.
        Sell commercial time.

        Method of execution: Burned at the stake. (Nice slow fire.)

        Oh, and one at a time. The second one gets to watch the first one barbecue.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I said all I had to say in the other death penalty thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    I truly understand the sentiment, but we can't enter that arena. There's just no way back to humanity once you do.

    Although, I feel tinged by hypocrisy with that statement because I don't think lethal injection provides enough of a fear element for it to be as effective a deterrent as other acts such as Ol' Smokey or the noose.

    However, I don't see that as torture for torture's sake as much as I do making the death penalty as effective a policy as possible. If we are going to have the death penalty, it should be as effective -- from all angles -- as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    The death pen is a tough call.


    No death pen for financial crimes but hard labor is mandatory.


    In murder situations...

    I'd say it depended on the crime and the relatives must make the choice whether to take the life or not.

    If no relatives can be found, then allow the state to decide according to the wishes of the voters in that state.


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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMagnetMagnate
    The problem with the death sentence is, they don't make good on it...that's all it is - a sentence.

    In a strange way, I can respect someone like Gary Gilmore, and others like him - who committed a heinous act, were sentenced to death, accepted that because they knew that they would pay the ultimate price for their crime if caught - and simply wanted the sentence carried out as mandated. They argued, that leaving someone on "death row" for many years, was cruel and unjust - not the opposite. They argued, if you are going to do it, do it - don't beat around the bush about it.

    We have a justice system, that though convoluted at times, and does involve many miscarriages, it gives what can be considered reasonable time and resources to appeal a grave decision such as this, and efforts are taken for the re-examination of innocence when requested.

    What could also be considered a miscarriage of justice however, is a criminal who has committed an act so foul, so beyond a reasonable doubt, that he must be removed from society - not incarcerated, not 'housed' - removed. These boundaries unfortunately have to be set - and they cannot be crossed. The consequences are strict, and must be enforced in order to maintain the semblance of humanity, and be carried out as humanely possible given the circumstances. "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few."
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      The problem with the death sentence is, they don't make good on it...that's all it is - a sentence. <snip>
      On the other hand, some of those wrongfully convicted death row inmates, later freed -- after many years of incarceration -- as a result of DNA evidence or suchlike would have been already been executed if execution were carried out more swiftly.

      Innocence: List of Those Freed From Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center
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