NEO-TECH

14 years ago

It looks like this particular name, etc.., is about all but dead, though it IS and probably WAS, used for OTHER things. Neo means NEW, and TECH means technology, SO.... The core "ideal" of "neo-tech" seem to be alive and well EVERYWHERE!!!!!! It isn't an american idea, but a VERY old one. American roots go back to europe, and european roots probably go back MUCH FARTHER!

The idea of anyone doing ANYTHING "without harming anyone" is RIDICULOUS!

As for the political setup and brainwashing? It IS corrupt. MOST, perhaps ALL, groups saying that and providing an "option" are even MORE corrupt!

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highhopes

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

It looks like this particular name, etc.., is about all but dead, though it IS and probably WAS, used for OTHER things. Neo means NEW, and TECH means technology, SO.... The core "ideal" of "neo-tech" seem to be alive and well EVERYWHERE!!!!!! It isn't an american idea, but a VERY old one. American roots go back to europe, and european roots probably go back MUCH FARTHER!

The idea of anyone doing ANYTHING "without harming anyone" is RIDICULOUS!

As for the political setup and brainwashing? It IS corrupt. MOST, perhaps ALL, groups saying that and providing an "option" are even MORE corrupt!

Steve

i know what you are saying Steve Neo-tech, but they put their slant on it see origins Wiki and the website.
Frank R. Wallace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Dr Wallace actually died at age 73 while jogging he was knocked down by a vehicle.

This is there twist on Neo-tech + fully integrated honesty...i like the notion that laziness envelops just about all human kind...
http://www.neotech-specifics.com/neo-tech.html

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

They somehow got my mailing address about 30 years ago and were sending me all kinds of odd mailings trying to suck money out of me for weird sounding stuff. I blew them off as crackpots and ripoffs, but that was just my opinion based just on their solicitations. I don't know if they're still around or not, but watch your wallet and your brain if you're thinking of getting involved with them.

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Big Rob

14 years ago

I have to say congrats to "Alexander Moss", or whomever the owner of the site is you linked to. The content is all from 1999, and obviously still getting sales.

Neo-Tech. Hmmph.

Brilliant marketing. Owes its "philosophy" to Ayn Rand.

Smoke and Mirrors, my friend.

Thanks for the memories, as like Dennis, I got on their mailing list and was inundated with an incessant barrage of pitch mail. Good Stuff!

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seasoned

14 years ago

Well, I always got side tracked, but ayn rand seems to have had some of the same ideas I have had. They don't fit what I read about wallace.

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HeySal

14 years ago

I don't think that the original philosophy still survives as he envisioned it, but there are probably a lot of groups around that are spin-offs. The US society is in a rapid break-down right now and you will see a lot of "tribes" and cults starting to form or to become more distinct as it decays. Within a year or two this idea will probably resurface - but not in the original form. It will have morphed, but may still be recognizable as a Neo-tech spin off.

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highhopes

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Well, I always got side tracked, but ayn rand seems to have had some of the same ideas I have had. They don't fit what I read about wallace.

Steve

Originally Posted by HeySal

I don't think that the original philosophy still survives as he envisioned it, but there are probably a lot of groups around that are spin-offs. The US society is in a rapid break-down right now and you will see a lot of "tribes" and cults starting to form or to become more distinct as it decays. Within a year or two this idea will probably resurface - but not in the original form. It will have morphed, but may still be recognizable as a Neo-tech spin off.

i have read some material based on their thoughts on what people should aspire to, e.g.
following the examples of, Donald Trump, leona helmsley, Andrew Carnegie etc, etc
Where did they go weird? They say the whole system is corrupt, inasmuch as the authorities have put in place a system designed to thwart the individual from blossoming, based on lies and deceit! some truth there.

However, the movement itself? Is it one to use as a role model?

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by highhopes

They say the whole system is corrupt, inasmuch as the authorities have put in place a system designed to thwart the individual from blossoming, based on lies and deceit! some truth there.

SO WHAT? For MILLENIA nearly every newsystem has said the older ones were CORRUPT, or sometimes simply DEFICIENT! And they are almost ALWAYS right about the former!

OFTEN, THEIR goal is to be MORE corrupt!

Imagine 50 people in a room ALL saying that 200+200=406 is wrong. ONE feels that 200+200=4, one feels 200+200=1000, one feels 200+200=900, one feels 200+200=800, one feels 200+200=950, one feels 200+200=400, and all the rest feel it is quite clearly 1200.

Having them say a corrupt system is corrupt does NOT mean that they even FEEL that theirs is better! It is interesting that it does not even mean it is better for THEM, though they OFTEN do at least feel they will get a short term benefit.

However, the movement itself? Is it one to use as a role model?

DEFINITELY NOT! To be able to have freedom should certainly be part of ANY life plan. But it should be limited to allow others to have similar rights. That is the whole idea behind the idea of ownership. Not to get political, but it has been said that the american indians felt that nobody owned the land. The settlers did nothing more than to treat it like theirs. If they hadn't, how could they build any permanent structure and use it, such as a house?
OK, maybe you don't agree with THAT, but how about the idea of transportation? Take away the limitations created by ownership and sharing, and you could be limited to walking.

Of course, this is simply ONE point. There are DOZENS more! Dozens might not seem like a big number, but look at how much the one I illustrated ABOVE affects life. Nearly EVERY war and many of the other dozens of problems, and even the subject we are discussing now, and many discussed on this system are because of the one above!

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highhopes

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

SO WHAT? For MILLENIA nearly every newsystem has said the older ones were CORRUPT, or sometimes simply DEFICIENT! And they are almost ALWAYS right about the former!

OFTEN, THEIR goal is to be MORE corrupt!

Steve

but don1t you think Steve most people ( I speak as I find) don`t even know they are being controlled, sheparded in a corrupt system? The more power the State has the more control they have on the people.
Look, too complicated to go in to much detail about this, put simply, Neo-tech for instance say the world falls into two philosophical camps: ( This is what they say I believe?)

ARISTOTLE FOR THE LIVING AND THE FUTURE
VS.
PLATO FOR THE DEAD AND THE PAST

Plato provided the tools for rationalizing an "intellectual" basis for any false or specious approach, including Dewey's approach. Platonistic philosophy can "justify" any irrational or unjust means to "noble" ends or "higher" causes. That same philosophy provides the tools for rationalizing the two primary character faults of conscious beings -- dishonesty and laziness.

Aristotle, on the other hand, provides the tools that every person needs to develop the knowledge necessary for guiding his or her life to unlimited prosperity, psychuous pleasures, and abiding happiness. Aristotelian philosophy provides the tools for meeting the needs of the human organism for optimum survival and maximum happiness. Successful use of those tools requires integrated honesty and rational efforts.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by highhopes

but don1t you think Steve most people ( I speak as I find) don`t even know they are being controlled, sheparded in a corrupt system? The more power the State has the more control they have on the people.
Look, too complicated to go in to much detail about this, put simply, Neo-tech for instance say the world falls into two philosophical camps: ( This is what they say I believe?)

ARISTOTLE FOR THE LIVING AND THE FUTURE
VS.
PLATO FOR THE DEAD AND THE PAST

Plato provided the tools for rationalizing an "intellectual" basis for any false or specious approach, including Dewey's approach. Platonistic philosophy can "justify" any irrational or unjust means to "noble" ends or "higher" causes. That same philosophy provides the tools for rationalizing the two primary character faults of conscious beings -- dishonesty and laziness.

Aristotle, on the other hand, provides the tools that every person needs to develop the knowledge necessary for guiding his or her life to unlimited prosperity, psychuous pleasures, and abiding happiness. Aristotelian philosophy provides the tools for meeting the needs of the human organism for optimum survival and maximum happiness. Successful use of those tools requires integrated honesty and rational efforts.

Yeah, you ARE right about that! There are always some led to believe that it will help society,some that believe it will help them, and some that couldn't care less.

When it gets large enough and high enough, how can anyone know what the full truth is?

In the US, we used to practically laugh at the propaganda spread in the USSR, and now it is all over here.

Still, whatever, there have to be limits. THAT has always been a problem, because WHO sets them.

I have ALWAYS said that it is a shame that things have gotten SO big and SO dishonest that a general fighting force and a general arbitration force exist. As was once said, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Anyway, in such a large society, news is much the same. Sometimes news can be even more powerful than an army. HECK, it can CONTROL armies.

Sorry if I sounded too absolute in my belief there. They often DO have a personal motive, but certainly not always. I guess I have heard SO many that HAVE that it drowns out those that don't seem to. Even THEN I have heard some that later said they did. Like a friend I once had that eventually confided to me that her motives weren't so clean.

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highhopes

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Yeah, you ARE right about that! There are always some led to believe that it will help society,some that believe it will help them, and some that couldn't care less.

When it gets large enough and high enough, how can anyone know what the full truth is?

In the US, we used to practically laugh at the propaganda spread in the USSR, and now it is all over here.

Still, whatever, there have to be limits. THAT has always been a problem, because WHO sets them.

I have ALWAYS said that it is a shame that things have gotten SO big and SO dishonest that a general fighting force and a general arbitration force exist. As was once said, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Anyway, in such a large society, news is much the same. Sometimes news can be even more powerful than an army. HECK, it can CONTROL armies.

Sorry if I sounded too absolute in my belief there. They often DO have a personal motive, but certainly not always. I guess I have heard SO many that HAVE that it drowns out those that don't seem to. Even THEN I have heard some that later said they did. Like a friend I once had that eventually confided to me that her motives weren't so clean.

Steve

no Steve you come out with some good points...this neo-tech though it is so definitive, some truths but it looks way over the top in many things. Truth is i dont know a lot about it...but will read with caution.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by highhopes

no Steve you come out with some good points...this neo-tech though it is so definitive, some truths but it looks way over the top in many things. Truth is i dont know a lot about it...but will read with caution.

OH, I wasn't discounting anything I said, merely saying that YOU were right also in what you said. I don't know a lot about it EITHER, but I read comments from several and a bit of the basics, and a big part seems to be to not care about the others with regard to your desires.

Not to be religious or political, but I went to a school that had a motto of "pro deo et pro patria". (For God and for Country) I always read that as meaning to do what is right for the world, then what is right for your country and ****THEN**** what is right for you. And a country is simply supposed to be an organization that does what is right for the societies within it. Most countries today seem to not bother with that little tidbit, but tat is the case. The US was created first with the basic ideal to protect the citizens from other countries that would do them harm.

A good microcosm might be a marriage. If one spouse used ALL the resources, couldn't that hurt the other spouse, kids, etc....? The person should first plan for the future, then for the family, and THEN for them!

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Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago

Originally Posted by highhopes

However, the movement itself? Is it one to use as a role model?

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but why model someone else's beliefs? I have spent most of my adult life forging my own beliefs and haven't regretted it. In fact, a lot of my inner conflicts ended when I stop believing what others told me to believe and started questioning everything and every authority. I thought it was better to find what's true in my own heart rather than to build my house of beliefs on someone elses foundation. I still believe that.

It's wise to taste a great diversity of thought, but be careful about what you swallow.

By the way, Google "neo-tech scam" and read some of the comments you find about them. Might shed new light on them for you.
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seasoned

14 years ago

You know, EVEN HG Wells advocated a certain type of world and government. IT was hogwash TOO! If ONLY there were a way to keep the ideals SACRED!

The twighlight zone once had an episode about a man with some VERY special info. He KNEW he had to keep it SECRET! He struggled to release goods ever so slowly since EVERYTHING was contaminated from a nuclear war. People looked up to him and he was a leader that was just.

One day, a bunch of people, looking ONLY to help themselves, came in and RIDICULED him. They couldn't BELIEVE all the goods lying around that weren't used. They beat him and threatened him, and he eventually showed them how to get to "the man in the cave". It was a COMPUTER! The marauders got everyone to throw rocks, etc... to destroy the object that limited their access to all this stuff. It was NOT an android! They could have simply left it alone!

The movie closed later with the man that was the leader walking around dead bodies. DEAD because they ate all the contaminated stuff.

That is SO often the way this world goes. If someone has a truly good and workable idea, he or she is shot down for something that appeals to the masses. The masses are ALWAYS looking because nothing works like that.

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fisomt

14 years ago

Yea I have the big black 720 book, Neo-Tech Discovery, for unlimited prosperity, happiness and romantic love. It goes into a whole lot of stuff, Its by frank r. wallace. Bought it back in the 90's
was kind of curious. It's an interesting book to read .Don't know if you can buy the 720 page manuscript anymore.

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highhopes

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

That is SO often the way this world goes. If someone has a truly good and workable idea, he or she is shot down for something that appeals to the masses. The masses are ALWAYS looking because nothing works like that.
Steve

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but why model someone else's beliefs? I have spent most of my adult life forging my own beliefs and haven't regretted it. In fact, a lot of my inner conflicts ended when I stop believing what others told me to believe and started questioning everything and every authority. I thought it was better to find what's true in my own heart rather than to build my house of beliefs on someone elses foundation. I still believe that.

It's wise to taste a great diversity of thought, but be careful about what you swallow.

By the way, Google "neo-tech scam" and read some of the comments you find about them. Might shed new light on them for you.

Steve good point..Dennis, but people always will be looking for role models. Warriorforum is full of newbies, looking for experienced I.M for all sorts of methods, guidance on HOW to run a business. Most have a pet Guru, they take to within this quest and it becomes a following .
when corey rudl died a few years ago, there was a whole lot of weeping and wailing, because he had a mass following. ( I read the forum news, etc)

Frank B. Wallace of Neo-tech was obviously an intelligent man. He worked as a research chemist for Dupont for 10 years before breaking out as a publisher. He is classed as an American philosopher by Wikipedia. He, His company had a lot of critics, Critics because they thought his methods were conning people.
Is it any different on this Forum? WSO`s are presented in all sorts of tactics and offers, If people don't act on the system, PROPERLY! they write something negative about it if it does not work out for them. Or it is the case that some systems here are out and out scams! ( very few I would think now)
Neo-tech underlines giants in business to follow, examples of men who have worked tirelessly to make things happen. Failure after failure but keeping on the path with this bull dog tenacity until their dreams are fulfilled! Fully integrated honesty, as they term it.

Not being lazy, using everything in your power to make things happen.
This has a familiar ring on this forum and in every system or method you choose to use.
i am not a Neo-tech person or supporter, but I do buy into what they say on success and what EVERYONE must do if they want it. Interesting read good and bad reports in Wiki.
Frank R. Wallace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Yea I have the big black 720 book, Neo-Tech Discovery, for unlimited prosperity, happiness and romantic love. It goes into a whole lot of stuff, Its by frank r. wallace. Bought it back in the 90's
was kind of curious. It's an interesting book to read .Don't know if you can buy the 720 page manuscript anymore.

Some extracts would be appreciated , seems a life style of everything to be happy?

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by highhopes

Dennis, but people always will be looking for role models. Warriorforum is full of newbies, looking for experienced I.M for all sorts of methods, guidance on HOW to run a business.

Not a valid comparison, in my opinion. People on the forum are looking for models for business pursuits, not beliefs systems to live their life by that govern their happiness.

If someone is looking to be led in regards to their own beliefs, they are much more susceptible to being misled than the average person. Since you didn't seem to follow through on my search suggestion, allow me to post an excerpt from one site:

The Neo-tech secret society got in contact with me in June 2008. When I read the first letter I was kind of excited. At the time I was going through a lot of turmoil in my life. My 18 year old daughter had just moved out against my wishes. My husband and I was going through trials and tribulations. I had just bought a house we were also going through financial difficulties.When I got the letter I thought maybe things are gonna get better. I thought they were actually gonna help me. I thought it was gonna be free so I said to myself Why not? So after reading the first book they sent me a letter saying I HAD TO PAY for The Inside Secrets 139.99 then I would become rich and famous. My husband told me not to do it, at the time I was living paycheck to paycheck so I really couldn't afford it at all, but I went behind his back and paid for the book anyway. When I was almost finish reading The Inside Secrets they sent me another letter saying I had to purchase the Inner Circle Secrets or my membership will be canceled. That book was 99.50 at this point they had me gone I was really thinking I was gonna become rich. So stupidly I purchased that book too. I didn't get anything out of the book. I was reading all day though. All my spare time was now dedicated to reading. My family wanted me to stop reading because in the book it says that there is no God, and they said my attitude had changed. I had become this really strict and mean person. Again I received another letter saying I had to pay for yet another book that one was called Annabella's Secret and they stated this would be the last book I would have to purchase then and only then I could start my meetings. So once again I paid 99.50 for another book. Well after reading the book for about 2 weeks I called them to ask when my meetings would begin, and they gave me a web site to go to, and request for my meetings to start. Well to make a long story short it has been 4 mts, and I still haven't attended any meetings. The other day I called the Secret Society to request my money back, and they gave me an address to send the books back to, but I know thats over 300.00 worth of books I paid for, and I will never be compensated. I just wanted to share my story so other poor people like me won't get scammed. This is a ripoff. Nothing has changed in my life, and i am certainly not rich. If anything I feel humiliated, ashamed, and stupid. Usually I am a sensible person, but they seemed to say just what I needed to hear. This company should be closed down. They just wanna sell their books, but there's a way of doing that without lying, and scamming poor people. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. Our government shouldn't allow this type of thing to happen to people. Be warned this is a scam. Source: http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/neotech-secret-society-c132275.html

It seems to me they're just marketers, marketing personal development. There's nothing wrong with that, per se, I'm just concerned about you falling prey to the dreams they sell that seem to be no more than an endless game of bait, hook, and recast the dream. Buy this expensive book, then the next, then the next ... each promising much more than they deliver.

Be careful ... that's all I'm saying. I wouldn't want to see you talking about "feeling ashamed, humiliated, and stupid" a few months from now. There are other similar posts on that site.

From the same page:

I received the letter last year and was one of the stupid stupid stupid ones!!! I didn't have a computer at the time and fell right in the scam. I purchased the first book, then purchased the second and finally the third. They keep going on and on wanting more money for everything, including their website and secret meetings. I listened to one of their meetings and it sounded like a mental ward. I finally realized, duh, that it was a scam! I feel so stupid and ashamed of myself for falling for this. My daughter told me at the beginning that these people were crooks. The first letter I received had a page stating that Kevin T. referred me to them. I think Kevin is in on the whole scam. They need to be sued. I was just so ashamed of myself I didn't want to tell anyone until now. DONT BUY FROM THESE TERRIBLE PEOPLE.

I happen to believe that you, and I mean each one of us, has all the answers to life we need already. They are inside of us, waiting for us to seek them out. I think all the outside sources are, at best, gateways to what already lies within us.

Edited to add: I did a little more digging. Neocheating is one of the things they teach. Here's how one site describes that:

A particularly hideous result of widespread mysticism is neocheating, a clever, two-step, poker-like process that allows the perpetrator to usurp money and power on a grand scale. The two-step maneuver is quite simple, yet almost always undetectable:

1. Promote a myth
2. Gain unearned values from those who accept the myth

That seems to be exactly what Neo-tech does as their business model. Two of their beliefs:

1. There is no God.
2. Women are inferior to men and should submit to them.

Another site says the core philosophy is "if you wish it, it is so." Sounds like "The Secret" with less effective marketing but higher prices.

Rational Wiki defines it as: "Neo-Tech® borrows tenets from objectivism, repackaging it in the pseudoscientific and cultish style of Scientology."

According to Neo-Tech's online essay Digital Journey, "Neo-Tech literature speculates a-priori -- without current evidence -- that far-advanced, universe-creating business people could -- via the natural laws of physics, chemistry, biology, and chaos -- design both initial-condition universes and DNA to efficiently evolve their conscious equals for business purposes". These business people are "Conscious humans in far-advanced civilizations -- immortal Zons".

"Zons" in Neo-Tech, are "metaphorically-postulated people who deliver never-ending values, prosperity, and health to conscious life" that can also be expressed as "God Men and God Women." Zons have accumulated sufficient knowledge, by using Neothink, that they have the capability to perform large-scale manipulations of matter and energy and create universes.

Really? :rolleyes:

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highhopes 14 years ago

At the time I was going through a lot of turmoil in my life

My 18 year old daughter had just moved out against my wishes. My husband and I was going through trials and tribulations.

It does seem this lady had a mental problem to start with? or at least suffered a temopary moment of insatbility caused through stress?

Below i found a link with open testimonials or critisism the Neo-tech foundation put on their website.
This seems a normal result. Ask a room of people what they think of someone and you will always get a different appraisal / opinion, this is human nature.

Neo-Tech/Zonpower Home Page

Neo-Tech Testimonials

It seems to me they're just marketers, marketing personal development. There's nothing wrong with that, per se, I'm just concerned about you falling prey to the dreams they sell that seem to be no more than an endless game of bait, hook, and recast the dream. Buy this expensive book, then the next, then the next ... each promising much more than they deliver.

That is what the business Internet marketing is all about is`nt it? up sell, up sell, etc.?

Be careful ... that's all I'm saying. I wouldn't want to see you talking about "feeling ashamed, humiliated, and stupid" a few months from now. There are other similar posts on that site.

I happen to believe that you, and I mean each one of us, has all the answers to life we need already. They are inside of us, waiting for us to seek them out. I think all the outside sources are, at best, gateways to what already lies within us.

dont get me wrong Dennis, i am like you in that regard, but i just think Neo-Tech (1)uphold this American philosophy ( good or bad) and they believe in it.
(2) They want to improve their individual life styles and find happiness through values.

That seems to be exactly what Neo-tech does as their business model. Two of their beliefs:

1. There is no God.
2. Women are inferior to men and should submit to them.

I briefly came across a statement they dont believe in god, so what so they are aitheist like many on the Warrior forum?

I was not able to find a statement on women are inferior to men, though. Only something refering to how F. Wallace adhores his Mexican wife.

Another site says the core philosophy is "if you wish it, it is so." Sounds like "The Secret" with less effective marketing but higher prices.

( See Ted Nichols, Andrew Reynolds, Statements) Seems to be the norm?

I have come across website people who absolutely condemn warriorforum, ( warriorforum sucks?) or something. I don't know why they do, perhaps they have been mis treated, or they themselves have been causing trouble. We can only judge by our own personal experience. Now it does not do any harm to look more deeply into a subject, I think that is an absolute requirement to see the big picture.
i dont know enough about Neo-tech to judge. But i like some parts of it that i have read.
I dislike some of the things also.

andrew Reynolds...some say he is a master of scam (www.scam.com)
Others proclaim him as a messiah.
Certainly when i was at the bootcamp in Brighton, people flocked to him after each time he presented back stage. HE WAS SELLING £5,000.00 COURSES! There was a stampede of people literally weith their check cards buyineg into his course.
Now he was a follower of a well known marketeer,Ted Nichols.
Every speaker had the crowds flocking into the back room with their check cards.

http://andrew-reynolds-cash-on-deman...ormond-street/

http://andrew-reynolds-videos.com/an...ney-generator/

( substance of interview)
Ted Nicholas and Andrew reynolds on stage talking about front end sales and funnels,
followed by upsells, DVD courses etc, stating with first sale £67.00 upsells get more expensive, but not more valuable in content added Ted Nichols. Then you have the buyers confidence and then whatshould you charge andrew?, "uhmm £97.00", Andrew replied. NO Said Ted, more like £970.00 per slae! that is how you can expotentially grow your business.

It seems to be a familiar ring to all sales online as far as i am concerened. As Andrew Reynolds stated that weekend in Brighton , it becomes a way of life, almost a religion.

We are not talking about $100 books here, but people parting with $ thousands.
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LarryC

14 years ago

I used to see their ads a long time ago but never ordered it because of the high price. I looked it up on Amazon, and some people are selling copies for about $20. Like most such courses, it's no doubt a compilation of teachings from various sources. Based on the fact that it has a kind of right wing, yet atheistic philosophy I'd guess Ayn Rand is one of the influences. She was also very pro-Aristotle and anti-Plato.

Anyway, I'd check out Neo-Tech for free but wouldn't pay a dime for it. I'm sure you could learn at least as much from NLP, Anthony Robbins, Silva Mind Control and a hundred other books or courses.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

I used to see their ads a long time ago but never ordered it because of the high price. I looked it up on Amazon, and some people are selling copies for about $20. Like most such courses, it's no doubt a compilation of teachings from various sources. Based on the fact that it has a kind of right wing, yet atheistic philosophy I'd guess Ayn Rand is one of the influences. She was also very pro-Aristotle and anti-Plato.

Anyway, I'd check out Neo-Tech for free but wouldn't pay a dime for it. I'm sure you could learn at least as much from NLP, Anthony Robbins, Silva Mind Control and a hundred other books or courses.

Very good guess. Ayn Rand's objectivism is the basis for the neo-tech philosophy from what I read.

@highhopes - Suit yourself, I'm done here. You asked if we thought if they were a good role model so I answered that as best I could. Obviously I don't think so, but I'm not interested in debating it. Good luck!

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highhopes 14 years ago

Very interesting. At least I have come to learn there has been a few of you with views based on your connections with them. I was curious about the movement and now i have looked a little into the workings, I will use my own judgement based on logic.

It`s not for me either, as it is almost like joining a church movement or political party.

thanks to all for your input.
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- Jassa 13 years ago
  
  I have 3 of their books, including The Book (the big black one!) which I bought about 9 years ago. I found about 85% of what they say to be excellent, especially the father 'Dr. Frank Wallace'.
  
  It's not a quick-fix type of book, by any means but *very* well worth reading and digesting imo! I've just got them off the bookshelf to have another go at them, after having met someone else who liked them as much as I do.
  
  I saw someone said that they say there is no God - that's the trouble when people read things quickly without really understanding what the author is saying. They don't actually say that ...and what they do say makes incredibly good sense (again, imo).
  
  Their philosophy gets a big thumbs up from me. You can find the son's videos on youtube (Mark Hamilton). They have not stopped promoting their stuff as far as I can see. They have a monthly membership site too (something like $39 a month if I remember correctly), which I will join at some point to see what's in there
  
  The last thing I want to say is that it looks like a lot of people, intelligent dynamic people, seem to have read those books for which I'm glad because their ideas are way, way more likely to produce a great world than the absolute scum who run it at the moment.
  
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Big Rob

14 years ago

I also used to get mail order pitches from "The Worthington group"
Or something like that. They were another secret society that promised great riches and connections through membership, which was $99 a month.
No philosophy there, just an exclusivity angle,
"We only accept new members on existing member recommendations"
" We cannot reveal which referred you for that members protection "
Another well marketed campaign.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Just ONCE I would like to see a society that has a primary goal of continuing its own existence for the betterment of all in it. All in it should do something to add value and be compensated PROPORTIONALLY. It should be self supporting, and insist that no item be imported below cost and, if such should happen, it should have an appropriate duty that would be used to support the society. If one doesn't like it, they should be forced to leave, like in the AMISH communities!

That WAS how the US was to be! Except for my little tweak at the end, though it WAS technically ALSO in the US until the 1900s,

Think about it! The country would be smaller, but better and with fewer problems.

My father just told me of how a friend he has was relatively healthy, and could have been operated on. Because of new rules forcing extra payment, and forcing a payment that ISN'T proportionate, to the doctor, the tumor became malignant, metastasized, and the prognosis is NOW that she WILL lose sight in one eye, likely lose site in the other eye, and be lucky if she lives another 5 years. The doctor said they COULD have saved the sight in one eye if they weren't delayed. HE delayed it!!!!

SO, we did things kind of my way for a bit over one hundred years. Things went fine. Later, things went downhill FAST! in 1913 they created a STUPID idea that was obviously with the intent to defraud. Once again, it looks like the fraud will unravel. People are wondering if it will happen within the next few years. In 2014 ANOTHER set off rules was to create MORE problems. Recently, they decided to delay it until 2015. One talk show host brought up a GOOD point! This was to be LAW! HOW can they delay it a year with NO consent of the whole of congress, etc? And they are doing it for something that, LEGALLY, is a FELONY! YET, being who they are, and since THEY would enforce such laws, they will NEVER be tried!

Steve

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travlinguy

13 years ago

I've had several of their books. I used to sell a lot of books on eBay and knew NEO-TECH books sold well so I'd snag them at yard sales and swap meets when I found them. I'd seen their marketing before and even wound up on their mailing list at one time.

The marketing comes across as very mysterious and implies they're into mind control and a higher plane of living. I read some of their stuff when I had possession of their material. Like anything, the marketing promises were puffed up in comparison to the actual text, at least what I read.

I do remember reading some of it where they were blatantly explaining how to get control over others, especially women. That was pretty weird. But that's how they drew in buyers for their very expensive books. They implied that they were, and you could be above others that didn't have the secret NEO-TECH info.

My exposure to that stuff along with a lot of other sketchy self help material led me to a very simple philosophy which I distilled into a short poem. Here is is:

Lead, don't follow. Spit, don't swallow.

Six words of enormous wisdom.

Maybe I could build a massive cult following with that as the motto. Stranger things have happened.

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Claude Whitacre 13 years ago

I bought the three NEO-TECH books about 10 years ago and slogged through them. Decent self development stuff.

But what most don't see is that it's nearly the same as most self development stuff. And when someone picks up their first book like this, it feels like a revelation...because they aren't used to it.

I read these books because they teach you how to form a philosophy that other people will follow...meaning they will follow you, and that's marketing.

It's been several years since I read the books, so some of it escapes me now. But nothing stood out to me as a real discovery that I hadn't read before.

If you want to start a cult, the Dianetics book is better. But they all have a leader, a story, a discovery, a hierarchy, materials to buy, and a reason to recruit.

And every couple of years another book is written, another audience formed, and another group thinks they have discovered these "secrets of the ages" for the first time.

For me, the book was Psycho Cybernetics. I thought that it was going to change the world. But it didn't. And neither did Psycho Feedback, or Transactional Analysis, or Primal scream, or Sylva Mind control, or EST, or Dianetics...

They are all just ways to look at what we do, and why we do it. It also helps if you are science illiterate. Because these books were mostly written before we knew how the brain really works.

Critical thinking isn't needed either. In fact, it spoils the experience, I find.
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