Kids call bus monitor "fat" until she cries and they still don't stop

While the video is disgusting, she really had no business in that job. A real bus monitor should be keeping those punks in line.Don't get me wrong,I have a lot of sympathy for her,but she was obviously in way over her head there.Whoever put her on that bus as a monitor should be called to explain his/her actions.She was probably qualified to be a monitor on an elementary school bus,but not on this one.On the bus it looks like they needed a corrections officer.You sure this wasn't a juvenile detention bus?

As far as the kids, I hope that what you reported as them being identified and the cops are involved are true. Everyone that opened their mouths and/or touched the lady needs a good 6 months in juvie.

Hope their parents are proud too. Great kids they are bringing up.

Great educational system we have going too. When I was growing up and anyone acted like that they would have gotten off the bus and gone stright to the vice principals office to have a meeting with the "board of education",which was about a foot and a half long.

For all those that don't believe in disciplining children....enjoy,this is what you get.

By the way, the video is 10 minutes long, I sat through about a minute and a half.

That is why I despise mobs. Individually, I doubt those little sh*ts would have treated her that way, but as a group, they did. You can be sure, those turd-blossoms are receiving what they deserve from lots of angles. I guess this event shows both some bad and and some good. As this article put it:
"But if mean kids make you want to roll over and die, you can, at least this once, reclaim some of your faith in humanity looking at the Internet. Because after the video rose to the front page of Reddit, users started banding together in Klein’s defense: someone creating a Facebook page for sending her kind messages, news sites interviewed Klein about bullying, a few nice people sent flowers to her house, and most impressively, someone established an Indiegogo campaign called Love for Karen Klein, which has so far raised $33,158 towards a vacation and retirement funds."

You see this kind of thing happening almost every week now (Kids behaving like barbarians).
What values are these kids being taught at home?
Like the saying goes "Kids are our future" pretty bleak future if you ask me...

50k has already been raised! This is great I hope it continues and this lady can retire. You can watch donations fly in, in link in my first post.

Kay,
did you edit your post? I could have sworn it was mentioned that back in a different time all it took was a look in the mirror from the bus driver to get the kids in line.
If you didn't,then maybe I'm just going nuts.

GMT,
If you disagree with 99% or 100% of my post, thats fine, I rarely hold grudges or take things personally, I just didn't know what part to focus my response to.

One thing for sure is we definitely seem to disagree on most everything on this subject.
Being a bust driver for X number of years doesn't change the fact that she couldn't handle the kids to me,yet you feel she did a good job.The fact that they drove her to tears,according to the post,I didn't watch the video long enough to see it, is proof enough to me that she couldn't. And that isn't an insult or anything either, I could probably have handled those kids when I was in my 30s or 40s,but I'll be the first to admit at my age now I couldn't in the way I feel they deserve,which again,would have been an immediate trip to the principal's office for a spanking,if it was still allowed in school. There is a difference between what I think I am qualified to do and what I really am qualified to do. 20+ years experience or not.
As far as the possibility of hurt upsetting someones parents, too bad. They need a wake-up call just as much as the kids do.




Salesguru,
the answer to your question:"What values are these kids being taught at home?" = none.

BTW I agree with Kim. She did NOTHING! So she shouldn't be there. If people want to create trouble, they should be forced to stay in back away from others, and get sanctions.

Steve

Those kids should be suspended from school, that's just messed up.

I hope that lady gets that donation money ($107,000 so far).

She didn't handle it right. She should have had the driver turn straight around and go back to the school where the Principle would call the parents and tell them to retrieve their children. The kids should have been kicked off the bus for a week or two with the threat of permanent suspension of bus privileges if they pulled any further insolence. Just because they aren't allowed to beat the tar out of them doesn't mean that they can't just tell them they will not have the privilege of being where they act like barbarians.

ok here is my stupid question of the day... when did they start putting adults
on buses ( other then the driver ) to keep the kids in check ?

and why?

The school bus should be to get the students safely home! If people want to fight or do THIS garbage, they should be told "Unless you stop and apologize, I can't do my job! If I can't do my job, I will simply take you to the principals office, and drive MYSELF home! You can get suspension, get held back*, etc.... Maybe you will cry about this for the rest of your life about why you can't have a good job*". The SCHOOL should be to TEACH in safety! If the students don't, they should say much the same as the bus driver.

NOW, WHY did I have the asterisks there? Schools DON'T do their job! They WON'T hold people back, and people are fighting to have the worse jobs leach income from the economy so they APPEAR to be higher paying. It REALLY takes from other places and causes inflation.

If schools did their jobs, and all was done as here, the schools should just tell parents that complain.... "YOUR job is to raise your kids to be the best they can be! You have chosen to have US help in part of that endeavor. Your kids have chosen to go against us, so we punished them. If you feel that we aren't being MORE than reasonable, GO SOMEPLACE ELSE!"!

Steve

Jackel is the only word I could think of to describe these kids.

Many kids don't contemplate, they just follow the leader and when the leader starts circling, it's difficult for the other kids to stand up for what's right.

Not making excuses, just stating the facts of playground sociology.

Delusional parents tend to ignore playground sociology and say "not my kid" but if kids aren't taught how to handle themselves in this situation, it's so easy for them to get caught up in the fever of the moment.

Thanks for posting this. Personally, I had to refrain from issuing preemptive punishment just in case my kids were even THINKING about participating in something like this. but instead I used it as a teaching moment.

I let my oldest watch a part of it to make sure that he understood that this kind of attack on ANYONE is wrong. I also took the opportunity to explain what I would do if I found out that he was behaving this way.

I also sent the link to the PTA president, I think it should be added to the anti-bullying education. A little educating goes a long way. But if all else fails I'm not above issuing a little Mom's Justice.

Mom's Justice - The Cure for all playground sociology.

Terra, (And Kenmichaels),
Thinking a bit more about it, I can understand why, besides the reasons I already mentioned, they might need monitors. Traffic and roads are not the same as they were when we were growing up. as an example, a two lane road the my bus used to take ,one lane in each direction, is now a 6 lane road. I would rather have the bus driver concentrating on the safe delivery of the kids than having to deal with the bad behaving ones.
In the short time I watched the film,the camera didn't move much, but even I have a hard time believing every child on that bus was in on the abusive behavior. Who knows, maybe I am wrong,but I'd like to think at least some of them were raised right.

Kay,
you called that right.It is psychobabble. Interestingly enough that is a term used to describe telling someone what they want to hear, aka PC.

If he is licensed,it should be pulled. Too bad any idiot can take a few classes and call himself almost anything nowadays.

And the tv stations will put anyone on the air,because they don't care about facts anymore,they just want the ratings aka advertiser dollars.

Terra,
I've been pretty long winded in this thread,but the only point I was trying to make was that I could see a reason for bus monitors now because the driver has a lot more to concentrate on and shouldn't have to worry about being distracted to deal with badly behaving kids.

She says she will not quit her job! Police are investigating this incident. There are two similar videos of Karen Klein being harassed.

Klein says she doesn't want the kids to face criminal charges. She has a much bigger heart than I'll ever have!

Story here: Fundraising goes viral for victim of school bus taunting

I remember in the late 80s discussing the future of our kids and the fact they will never have enough juvie detention centers to house them all if they didn't get the train back on track real quick.

$219,909
Raised of $5,000 Goal
30 days left

/\ she would have to be odds on to make 1 million dollars before time expires if not become a multi millionaire ( if funds are donated as indicated )

Geesh!

As a parent of two kids that aren't yet school aged, this distresses me a bit.

I mean, I really have to send my kids out into the world with these mongrels?

I don't want to see the kids face charges either. I want to see their parents go postal on them and the school toss them out on their butts for a few weeks. It's complete bull sh** to have the law involved in something that should be between the school, parents, and kids. Gov intervention is exactly where the problem is coming from. The more we allow gov intervention into what should be our own responsibility and privilege, we're going to see things continue to decay.

That's funny, Jody. When I was a teen - around 16 - 17, I threatened to run away a few times. My mother calmly told me: "If you run away, do not expect to come home again. If you are caught, you will live in a government run institution or juvie until you are old enough to live on your own. So you make up your mind real well if it is as bad here as you want to whine about."

That worked. It worked real well.

One of the few times I'm on the complete opposite side of you Sal, this is exactly when the kids need to be charged. This isn't some harmless little prank where they,contrary to the pxychobabblist said,didn't know the consequences,all they didn't know was that they were going to get caught. Maybe you are right that in a normal world that this should have been able to be handled between the school,the parents and the kids, but our society has tied the hands of the school,if they even want to act,and the lkids parents,if they actually cared about teaching their kids something. The fact is we don't know if wither are even interested in doing anything.

As far as there being no charges filed because the lady doesn't want any,that is also BS. The fund should have a stipulation on it, no consequences for the juvies,no fund for the lady. As has been pointed out,this was not her "special ed" bus. There should be a special edition of Scared Straight just for the kids that were involved in this.

Exactly, Kim. We need to TAKE the power back. It's time to demand the Dept of Ed be dissolved and take our children back. If we continue to act like slaves - we will continue to be slaves. Our gov is telling us that THEY own our children. That is crap. They are taking authority that they were never intended to have and it's time that parents got together and told them to "take a flying f*** at a rolling donut". Maybe a few abuse of authority - or other class action suits against them would put our leaders heads back in correct perspective. Instead we have people going along with the system that is making us the the #1 litigating country on earth.

How bout this for a plan if the gov wants to dictate EVERYTHING -- you raise your own kids and if they strike out 3 times, you get sterilized. If you aren't going to be a parent, you aren't going to be allowed to breed.

Kim,

As per my other response directly above yours.

If the students cannot be charged, I suggest the School Board implement a summer program for students that misbehave.

Once a student has racked up enough points, s/he is automatically is enrolled for the entire summer in summer school. The educational programs offered could be in the form of a boot camp for misbehaved kids.

I would go as far as starting a community garden and having the students tend to it. No, this is not slave labor, simply a reprimand for bad behavior.

If they learn something from it, maybe they would enjoy a summer of freedom the following year.

As for the parents, if their kid ends up in summer school, they are automatically required to attend parenting classes etc. If their kid has misbehaved enough to require the punishment, then they need to understand how to deal with the behaviors in the future.

Dang Sal, I was typing when you just posted. My response would still be the same as my post above - so yes, let take back the power.

Where is the FEAR in all this? When I was in school (and I'm sure a lot of people my age and older will agree), even if you didn't get punished for something you did at school, word WOULD get out and you would damn sure get punished at home -- far worse than what any school officials would do.

Having taught in the public education system, you don't see that anymore. We're too afraid of damaging our precious little snowflakes' psyches.

Everyone keeps saying the lady handled this wrong, thing is If that bus was stopped, chances are the camera would have also stopped filming (evidence).

Don't take this the wrong way, but that video is what's getting the lady a $280,000 donation with 29 days to go.

Hopefully she does get that much money & doesn't have to work on a school bus in a shi##y environment.

WOW, this restores some of my faith in humanity!

$294,441
Raised of $5,000 Goal

29 days left.

As you noticed, I deleted my post.
I feel exactly how I stated in that post though.
But let me say this, what happened was disgusting in my opinion,but when you are a victim and choose to do nothing, a lot of my sympathy wains.
It will send a message to kids though, we can do it again, nothing is going to happen.
Instead she could stand up and say I am not going to let this happen to other senior citizens like myself.Instead I am going to stand tall and send a message that says just because I'm old doesn't mean you can abuse me and not have any consequences.
I see your statement that the school is going to handle it. Lets revisit the school in a month and see exactly what they did. Maybe they will get two weeks suspension? To a kid with that kind of behavior thats called a vacation.
As far as her being a Grandmother and a Mother, I'm a Grandfather times 4 and Father times 3,and I've learned a few things along the way too maybe?

Calling Paypal sometimes works,sometimes doesn't,but the fact is its his choice and for someone that is doing what he is,I find it strange that your criticizing him for that.

I am talking about her actions after the incident,not during. Or,her lack of action to be more specific.
To sit there and take it during that specific time might show her intelligence maybe but not necessarily strength.

Anyway, I don't really have anything more to say on this subject.
Enjoy.

I agree with Sal AND Kim to a degree. The "department of education" is part of the PROBLEM! I have said that in one way shape or form for DECADES! It is a JOKE! Name ONE thing they really do to further education. Even ONE! I bet you couldn't.

If you gave them truth serum, and asked them what their goal REALLY was, they would say to get more money. They don't care AT ALL about kids or education. Give them more money, and they will squander most of it on their friends.

If immigration/aliens were reduced, people weren't paid to have kids, the deficits dropped, and the internet was used to do what the promise of TV once was, costs could be cut to practically NOTHING, productivity could shoot up, poverty would be decreased, we could OBLITERATE the DOE, and similar things, AND have a FAR smarter population.

But #1 would hurt the income of a =bunch of thieves! #2/#7 would hurt kickbacks to their accomplices, #3/#6 would help the US, etc... so I guess that will never happen. IRONIC! They CLAIM the internet is a game changer, but won't use technology that is 100% out there and being used, and could be FREE!!!!!!! IMAGINE, that could save TRILLIONS a year. HECK, just in college text books, we might be talking like $120 per student period.

OH, and that would cut down DRASTICALLY on car accidents, deaths, and pollution!

ANYWAY, schools LOVE fights! I don't know why, but they do. Bullies and their parents don't care EITHER! I would like to see jail time for everyone from the kid to the principal, and the parents. But THAT won't happen!

Steve

It's up to $402,279 & still going...

Though it is from a person some here hate, I thought he spoke well. I cleaned up the religious content:

BTW Did you hear? MAYBERRY is fashioned after a REAL place!!!!! Mount Airy, North Carolina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Steve

Not sure who you are saying is hated, but I've known for years Mayberry was fashioned after Mount Airy.

Kim,

Terra nailed it. Funny Terra, I didn't really notice he spoke about prayer, etc... in regular articles. I just removed that, since everything else is stuff I doubt people would complain about. I replaced the two areas mentioning prayer and faith with "...".

Steve

I would love to **** these kids up until no end just to teach them a lesson these little ****ers. So angry after watching that bullying.

Hey - a bully beat me up in the 5th grade - start me up a vacation fund...he hurt my feelings too...he made my nose bleed, and he made fun of my curly hair that wasn't very nice...

I still carry the 'scars'...I thinks a nice 500K would make me feel a whole lot better :rolleyes:

The sarcasm comment hurt my feelings too - send me more money -
(jk) No, as you pointed out, almost EVERYbody has been there at one point or another...fine, empathise, feel compassion - you want to feel better? do some community service, go volunteer at your local food kitchen - be a big brother or big sister...be a camp counselor at a camp for challenged kids...send the lady a gift certificate for a spa weekend - heck, send her to Jenny Craig if she wants (personally, I don't think she is that overly large at all)...but don't give her $500,000 dollars...

I sincerely hope the lady does something constructive with the overwhelmingly generous donations...

I think what made her cry, ultimately, was the general idea that these kids could be so stupidly cruel, not just to her personally - but to anyone...that is what hurt her feelings...

Karen Klein Bullies Apologize: Boys Express Their Regret On Anderson 360 (VIDEO)
Karen Klein Bullies Apologize: Boys Express Their Regret On Anderson 360 (VIDEO)

I'll lay odds that before too much longer, someone in some government position is going to come up with some way to deprive this lady of the majority of the money that is being collected for her.

Whether it's too much or not enough is not for any of us to say. It is what it is, and people who continue to give have a pretty good idea of the amount that has accumulated - and yet they continue to give.

I think a lot of people, especially the ones contributing, recognize that the focus on 'kids first' has gone way 'round the bend, past the point of sanity.

The bus driver didn't turn the bus around and take the kids back because he probably would've gotten fired over it.

The lady was probably scared to stand up for herself - or she had a sense of decency that said that giving back what you're getting isn't necessarily the right reaction.

There are no consequences for bad behavior in schools - except for some of the most inane stupid PC dumbass things like scissors in your backpack or having a bottle of aspirin.

Propriety demands that I stop here. That and the looming spectre of Maxwell's silver hammer on the 'take a vacation' button

They were poking her? There's a hell of a lot of difference between being mouthy and taking it physical. That kid needed his ass put back in his seat and when he starts poking on people that he is taunting - that is legal grounds to grab his ass and seat it. Those "special needs" kids sound like their special need is a freaking cage.

Seems like Glen is right - those things are not human children. Scientists say that humans are splitting into two species. Seems like these are members of the degenerated sapiens species.

As far as the apologies - I'm betting there's parents standing behind them with clubs - PC or not. I imagine they are furious.

People HAVE to stop being afraid to do the right and logical thing just because our government has become a den of terrorists. Do what is right - if you are fired, at least you still own yourself. There will be others that respect that enough to give you work. You can get back up from being knocked down -- but it's pretty hard to stand up when someone else owns you. You HAVE to own yourself. Nothing will get better until people start realizing and acting on that principle.

I didn't watch the whole video...

As long as a kids did not put their hands on her or threaten her in any way the criminal justice system is out of the question.

She should have simply threatened to get the principle and their parents involved and if the kids came from decent homes, I bet that would have stopped the brats in their tracks.


TL

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TL

Interesting,you were asked to not make this about him yet you still do...

I'd last about two seconds as a bus driver or a monitor.
And I wouldn't be the one crying.

This type of thing happens every day all across the US (and probably other countries as well).

The problem that I see is the parents.

Parents don't parent.

I volunteered at the school for a reading class. Apparently the kids thought this time would be a free-for-all. Since I was not getting paid and in my opinion, not bound by the rules of not being able to discipline, I let the kids know up front how things were going to work. When they misbehaved I simply used a stern voice and told them to sit down and shut up or they could leave. It worked. And you know, they didn't hate me or show resentment. It was the opposite. They liked me. And showed me respect.

My son gets bullied on a regular basis.

One of the kids brought a knife on the bus and threatened my kid. My kid didn't want to tell me about it because he knows I do things a lot different than most parents.

The next day after the knife incident, I stood at the bus stop and asked if I could ride. Nope. Against the rules. Too bad. I was looking forward to that bus ride.

I met with the principal and discussed what action was going to be taken.
The kid who brought the knife got a two week vacation from school.

When the trouble-making kid returned to school, he was pissed off at my kid and my kid's friends. Mr. Trouble Maker threatened to bring a gun and blow off heads. That's nice. Elementary school and gun threats. If the parents cared, I would have met with them (I already met them and knew it would be a waste of time), but as is the common problem, the parents couldn't care less.

So off we go again the school to meet with the principal.

And another vacation for the kid.

If my kid was one of the bullies, I'd parent. I'm not a perfect parent and I'm not sure I'm doing this "right" but I'm doing the best I can. The first thing that would happen is a loss of all "privileges". No tv, computer, phone, etc. A good ol' grounding/restriction. For a really long time.

Next would be a trip to juvy where I'd pre-arrange a nice little tour and an overnight visit.

But you see I don't believe it would down to that for our family because my kid knows that there are consequences for inappropriate behavior.

There's also teaching that you show compassion to others - the golden rule.

And the deal about a kid being able to bring up charges against parents for using punishment. That's BS for starters and if my kid brought charges against us, that would be fine. He could spend his life in the system - the same system that gave him the opportunity to press charges against his parents.

[Sorry for the rant. I just meant this to be a short post but my fingers kept moving.]

For young people, the moral of the story here is that if they want to make a difference in the life of a poor senior citizen, they should simply taunt her on a bus and post a video of it on the internet. As a result of this, she will receive a large sum of money. This is how you help people, kids. Go and call grandma a fatass - she deserves the money more than anybody else!

Oh Terra, that must have been a really difficult time for your son.

I admire your parenting style. Good for you pulling that kid aside and reminding him of that incident. And it's cool that they respect you and think you're a cool mom. You stood up for your kid.

Everyone or least the majority of people (kids included) want to be accepted. When normal things don't work, it seems they turn to the bully behavior to get the admiration they are looking for.

I think it was Jonathan 2.0 who said "kids are our future." The scary part is that the kids are their future. We'll be gone. I can't imagine what kind of a society they will be living in.

Kay,
What is happening in this thread? I don't understand what you mean is typical of our society.
We are having a civil discussion of differences of opinions.
I see people discussing a matter for the most part amicably.
Only one person has tried to derail it so far that I have seen.

As far as SteveJohnson, I see you missed the point entirely of my post.
They were all counterpoints to your comments to 3M.

I feel sorry for the elderly woman.
I lose some of that sympathy when I see her say she is not taking any action against the kids.
She should never have been in that position on that bus in the first place.
As I said before,its my opinion at that age she should be monitoring elementary children.
I have never said what she should or should not do with the money.
I have said I don't think she deserves what has been donated.
Call me callous, but I DO know people that need and deserve it and have gone through much much more than she did.
Of course this is all my opinion and everyone is welcome to disagree, I'm still going to like you and consider most of you friends.

It seems to me that Karen Klein has been taking abuse for a long time and the videos were just a reflection of that. I don't think the money will erase the pain she has endured, but I hope she uses it to enjoy her life rather than suffering more bullying from people trying to lay guilt trips on her.

@Kim - Karen Klein is a 23 year veteran. She had a job to perform, maybe she didn't have a choice in her duties. Many jobs are like that, you suck it up or you quit or you get fired. We don't know what her options were.

We don't know if she has a husband, and if so is he bringing a paycheck home or collecting his social security? Could she afford to quit/retire even if she wanted to?

Maybe Karen had to work to make ends meet. And kudos to her should she continue to work.

My best friends' dad died last Monday, in the hospital full of bone cancer. He was 81 years old. Until the week before, when he was admitted to the hospital, he was out collecting scrap metal, still working five-six days a week as his pension didn't provide enough for him to live on. So-much-so that he had to leave his apartment and move in with his nephew just to get by.

Getting old isn't a bed of roses for many. There are countless seniors who should be sitting at home, enjoying their retirement. The reality is just the opposite though.

I personally find your statement very callous. You are also comparing apple to oranges.

I think these kids are in for more than they bargained for: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_1...death-threats/

Jody,
you're entitled.
You are also comparing apple to oranges.
I don't know what you are addressing though as it has nothing to do with my post.

I'm amazed at the amount of donations that have poured in for this woman.

Last I've checked, it was at $534,616.

That's great and all. Once she gets that money, it's all hers and the tax man's. Not hatin' on her or anything.

I just think it's inappropriate.

Again, not hatin' on Karen for it. Good for her.

It's just that there's Kirstin, who's trying to raise money on that same site. Kirstin would just like $10,000 to afford expenses related to brain surgery. So far, people have donated $218 of the $10,000 needed.

Kirstin is a person who needs brain surgery to fix a problem from a previous surgery which is causing her pain.

There's also a little boy on that site whose family is trying to raise money in his battle against leukemia and they've raised only $150 of their $20,000 goal. Battle against leukemia -- Indiegogo

Not hatin' on the bus monitor. I just think it's absurd.

You know Mojo, I'm not either.
I actually don't hate on 99.999% of any living things.
I'm just saying the same thing you are basically.
But people are going to take it the way they want.
And if I see something I don't feel is right,I'm going to say so.

@Yukon - I agree with your post. There are so many organizations out there that people donate to on a daily basis. These organizations represent a large number of people who are in need of their assistance.

Last I looked, bullying wasn't one of them.

I know exactly what I wrote and nothing you are posting has anything to do with it Jody.

She is a 23 year veteran of what? Her job or military? I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Again, there is nothing in your post that addresses what I wrote.But I will address your statements even though they are not about my post:

@Kim - Karen Klein is a 23 year veteran.
Already addressed that above.

"She had a job to perform, maybe she didn't have a choice in her duties. Many jobs are like that, you suck it up or you quit or you get fired. We don't know what her options were."

I didn't say she shouldn't HAVE a job or IF she had a choice. I didn't say SHE chose it, I said she had no business in that position and that's a stone cold fact.If someone else put her there,that's their bad. Not Hers,not mine, but it is the truth as I see it.

"We don't know if she has a husband, and if so is he bringing a paycheck home or collecting his social security? ?"

What does having a husband have to do with it? I never mentioned a husband. But again,I never said she should or needed to quit. But,your putting things that had nothing to do with any post I have made in this thread.

"Could she afford to quit/retire even if she wanted to?"

That's has been discussed in several articles.The answer is easy to find.

"My best friends' dad died last Monday, in the hospital full of bone cancer. He was 81 years old. Until the week before, when he was admitted to the hospital, he was out collecting scrap metal, still working five-six days a week as his pension didn't provide enough for him to live on. So-much-so that he had to leave his apartment and move in with his nephew just to get by."

I'm sorry your best friends dad died. The fact is that most peoples pension doesn't cover enough to live on. My disability check doesn't cover enough to live on.
My mother,who is 88 doesn't have enough to live on. And she probably won't be around much longer either. As a matter of fact, my older brother has been depleting his pension to keep my mothers bills paid. Nobody is alone in this situation.

"Getting old isn't a bed of roses for many. There are countless seniors who should be sitting at home, enjoying their retirement. The reality is just the opposite though."

Preaching to the choir, though again, my post had nothing on this subject except saying she was placed in a position,whether by choice or not,she should never have been in. earlier in the thread I said the same thing and gave reasons.

"I personally find your statement very callous. You are also comparing apple to oranges."

As I said before, you are entitled. But you are the one comparing apples and oranges.

Jody,
I did read the article.
But here in the states we call Military people veterans,not civil employees.

Someone thinking they are suited and actually being suited are two different things.

You're questioning if she had the means? I believe that was in the same article you questioned if I read. But I may be wrong,I may have read it elsewhere. Either way, it is answered numerous places.

Getting back to your statement, I know employers dictate positions. Never was in dispute and I have said several times in several threads it was there poor decision ,never blamed her, but just as you said, just stating a fact.

Jody, I too have been discussing the issue and facts. Except for saying I receive a disability check,where have I brought my health issues into this discussion? I have scrolled up and reread numerous posts to see if I did and don't remember but am not finding anywhere. As a matter of fact I have intentionally tried to leave it out as some might have felt it was self serving,so please,show me.

As far as making the wrong comparisons, Some, like the veteran statement is cultural difference but not all.

The reason the money is pouring in is that people are using dollars to "vote". This type of action has become extremely too prevalent and when children take to terrorizing adults - it's gone hella too far. Yet she kept her chill and acted appropriately to allow herself to keep a job that at her age must be needed, and to keep the discipline to the families, which are owning up to it well, and out of the hands of the government. This woman deserves the "votes" she is getting - because it's not just for her. It's a statement that says we are all just sick to death of this kind of **** and want our parenting rights back and away from the DOE and from Perverted Uncle Sam.

People are free to use their money any damned way they want to. To say that one donation is inappropriate and another is not is not lucid thinking. You can't tell people they HAVE to give to any particular cause. People, most likely for the reason I just gave, want to fund this woman. So there nothing anyone else has to say about it. It is NOBODY'S place to say that people are acting "inappropriately". Don't like it - tough sh**. I'd dare someone to tell me that I'm donating inappropriately when I chose my charities. While this one might tilt heads a bit - it's the people's choice if they open their purses for her. You don't get to dictate where the dollar from their hand goes.

There are a LOT of causes and people donate to ALL of them regularly. How many times have you donated to the Cancer Society -- yet they have actually been caught at the game of suppressing real cures.......because once there is a cure that foundation is history and the high paid people at the top are NOT going to let their jobs go away. There's a lot of charities like that. There's no danger to polar bears either according to the scientists that actually monitor them - yet there are charities out there insisting they are dying off and in danger. SO - who's right about giving their money where? Who are any of us to decide what our neighbors do with their money? Is this a dictatorship with thousands of self-proclaimed dictators running around? Maybe THAT is how we lose our freedom. Everyone thinks that everyone else is not living right if they do something they wouldn't do.

I've been in dire straits before and some donations would have been totally awesome and really a relief. Just because I didn't get them doesn't mean I will dis this woman for what she is getting. More power to her. I hope she blows at least $50K on just fun, treats for her and her hubby -- just because. Likewise - it doesn't matter if the reason people throw their money at her is because "f*** you is why". It's hers now to do with as she pleases so everyone needs to get over it.

Kim,

I know about the jabs. I react when I probably shouldn't. GEEZ! I guess he feels that I HATE GB(though that is illogical and not true, and he clearly feels I LOVE him), and GB is on this forum(I DOUBT it, and I certainly don't even think he is), and that I was trying to get him in trouble. Again, illogical. Then again, he is likely trying to accuse me of such subterfuge to make me appear even WORSE. I think I have a winner THERE!

Oh well, I removed that reference. It DOES reference progress, but those, that are for those laws, HAVE openly declared it progress.

Steve

Steve,
Thanks come and go,but good friends are forever.

@Kim, my apologies Kim. I misread this statement, and took to mean you need it and have gone through........:

@Kay, I didn't refer to Kim as callous, I said:

I understand Jody and no harm done.
I didn't mean that for myself. As I said,I intentionally tried to keep my own issues out of the discussion because I could see some thinking it was self serving.
As far as myself goes, I have always been grateful for the help and support those here have given me over the years.
And I have and still will try to pay it forward.
I am not going to make this thread about me or my issues.
We can all think and have the beliefs we want,and though I ussually say that's what makes America great, I'll add Canada to that!

Heysal,

THANKS. Yeah, I have heard some REALLY weird things out there. Jekyll island, for example, sounds like a ridiculous myth, but is proven fact. So is area 51. The black bird... The eximer laser... HECK, one time COMPUTERS seemed like myths. And YEAH, GB and AJ have said some WEIRD things that have panned out.

NOW, some say that some leaders are reptilian humanoids from outer space. Is THAT real? Probably not. Does it matter? I mean if some people with alien ideas are here to destroy us because of war, or to get something, isn't that ENOUGH to be concerned about? So maybe a person is only 50% correct. If that 50% is material, that is ENOUGH reason to listen.

BTW about the tin hats. The idea was to keep people out of our brains to keep secrets secret, and keep our identities. Was THAT true? I doubt it. There WAS a rumor about people with rays that could disrupt peoples thinking and attitudes. THAT is possible. STILL, the FACT is that they now have chips that hold keys to our identities and finances that can be read from several feet away. HOW far? WHO KNOWS? They were originally only supposed to work up to a foot, but can easily work several. The chips are in credit cards, debit cards, various ID cards, and passports, and SOME have had them put in their bodies! They are also in CARS in several ways. Apparently phones and computers now have similar things. The solution? A FOIL COVER! AGAIN, does it matter if the reason is slightly different?

Steve

Don’t Take That Money, Bullied Bus Lady
- Adrian Chen
When Anderson Cooper asked Karen Klein, the now famous bullied bus monitor, if she ever expected the outpouring of support that has so far raised over half a million dollars for her, she responded: "No, never. I mean I don't feel like I've done anything, you know." The fact that Klein didn't do anything to deserve it is just one of many reasons why she should decline the money raised in her name.

A fundraiser on the crowd-sourcing site IndieGogo has currently raised $567,068 for Karen Klein, the Upstate New York bus monitor who was filmed being brutally harassed by a bunch of ****head kids. Now the windfall is overshadowing the harrowing video that sparked it. The story of the bus monitor has turned from heartrending tragedy to uplifting miracle, thanks to the internet. Everyone wins, right?

Continued: Don't Take That Money, Bullied Bus Lady

Although I can see many good points being raised here, I think that if I had to undergo kidney dialysis for many years and had to see friends losing a battle or barely holding onto straws, some due to lack of money, that I may be seeing things in a different way.

Just sayin'.

It would be hard for me to witness this amount of money going to a healthy woman that could most likely sustain herself into retirement while I was witnessing people losing their lives due to lack of coin.

I do not see that because I haven't experienced it. I think if I did though, I'd probably be kind of upset, even knowing that she has the right to this money and that people have the right to give it to her.

Cathy

No Tim, that's not my "evidence" that's called an example.
I give 1 example,you give 3,and that makes your argument the stronger one?
Where is your evidence that they are no worse?
I'll bet you can't provide any.
But I also bet if you pull the government statistics from one of the years of your examples and compare them to any within the last 5 years,or even match year by year,say pull 1974 and match it with 2004, I'm pretty sure that the records will indicate what I said was more in touch with reality than what you said.
Crime like you gave as examples were not common place like crimes by kids these days are. You want more examples? We have had kids killing over tennis shoes, we have elementary,middle,and high school kids sneaking weapons into the school with intent to harm,and sadly way too many have succeeded.
I really don't need to go on.
All you have to do is open your eyes to see what I am saying.
So what are we talking about? Oh yeah,kids that bullied an elderly woman.
Which if it happened when I was growing ,well it wouldn't have happened.The jocks on the bus would not have let it

Umm, yeah...Cain and Abel? You can't get much earlier than that...so apparently kids were bad from the get go...:rolleyes:

(*is this considered a 'drive-by' snarking? )

btw: Somebody should do a remake of "The Bad Seed"...

Yeah, I tried VERY hard to lose weight. In a few months, I lost about 40 pounds! I was ON MY WAY. Through an interesting quirk of fate, no fault of my own, I gained every blasted pound back. It is actually harder to lose the weight now. I actually don't eat that much, and eat less than many even recommend.

Some people have various problems that make them gain weight even QUICKER than I do, and women typically have a HARDER time losing, so it is kind of dumb to push her like that. Kids require a LOT more calories per pound if they do NOTHING, and generally do a lot more physical activity, and their endocrine systems are OPTIMAL. They are all amped up between about 8 and 20 and ESPECIALLY between 11 and 16, so they have NO idea what such problems are like.

Now MOST people usually wouldn't really think of me as FAT, but a bit over 30% of americans are, according to BMI, at LEAST as bad as I am. ALMOST 30% of british people are.

MMM as I recall, they DID! Didn't mccauley caulkin star in a remake?

Steve