Ok...How hot IS it?

Well, here in the Pacific Northwest, it's a balmy 60 degrees right now. It's almost July, and I am still wearing a sweatshirt, sometimes a jacket in the mornings, and evenings.

Oh what I wouldn't give for a nice pina colada in my hand, and some sand on my toes!
Closest thing I have is a M. Lite in my hand and some horse poo on my boots.

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Mark Andrews

Banned 14 years ago

South west UK we've got the opposite problem, not enough heat or sunshine for that matter.

March was lovely, unseasonably warm, beautiful.

April I think we saw at most 3-4 days of sunshine - the rest cloudy.

May saw at best the same - 5 days of sun, the rest cloudy.

June here has been a complete washout, maybe 1 day of sunshine the rest of the month just a blanket of dirty gray brown low hanging cloud.

Temperature? Nothing to shout home about. When the sun has come out about 20C max / 69F. More often than not though it's been hovering around 14C / 57F - bloody hopeless.

It's starting to get a lot of people down here. Third summer in a row now with no more than 14 days of decent weather and sunshine. I'm dying to experience a spell of some hot weather. This is driving me mental here.

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MoneyMagnetMagnate

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

We're looking at 107F today....just went out and a couple crows on the power line already have on their goofy looking umbrella hats...

Crows are smart birds!

You should see them dropping eggs on the pavement to make omelettes anytime now! :p

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lcombs

14 years ago

Janet and I went to a seminar in Vegas in August of 2010.
The weather we're having here, now feels just like Vegas in August.
EXCEPT VEGAS IN A F**KING DESERT!

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seasoned

14 years ago

well, it IS within 3 degrees of the recorded record. DON'T get your hope up though! The statistics are corrupted, and the RECORD here was set in 1936. That was 76 YEARS ago!

But MAN, t was BAD here! It was like a monsoon. Winds were VIOLENT. One BIG tree was almost ripped out of the ground. It sounded like my home was a train running down on tracks. TONS of rain. DARK! And it was only 3PM.

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

well, it IS within 3 degrees of the recorded record. DON'T get your hope up though! The statistics are corrupted, and the RECORD here was set in 1936. That was 76 YEARS ago!

But MAN, t was BAD here! It was like a monsoon. Winds were VIOLENT. One BIG tree was almost ripped out of the ground. It sounded like my home was a train running down on tracks. TONS of rain. DARK! And it was only 3PM.

Steve

Please explain this. I have a feeling you're using faulty logic again just to make the "facts" seem to agree with your own wishes and beliefs.

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seasoned

14 years ago

Stations aren't built as they once were, so temperature readings are off. Certainly not all the same way, and not all are off, but enough tht a few degrees doesn't mean much. I went to weather.com to check the temperature and records. How does logic even come up? HOW does info know what I want?

As for that tree? It snapped. 8-( There is some bad traffic, a few hurt trees, and I heard of an accident, but otherwise things seem back to normal.

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Stations aren't built as they once were, so temperature readings are off. Certainly not all the same way, and not all are off, but enough tht a few degrees doesn't mean much. I went to weather.com to check the temperature and records. How does logic even come up? HOW does info know what I want?

As for that tree? It snapped. 8-( There is some bad traffic, a few hurt trees, and I heard of an accident, but otherwise things seem back to normal.

Steve

Glad you asked. I will now show you how biased your thinking is...

First, this is based on vaious comments you have made implying climate data is faulty because past research is faulty. You have used this "logic" to imply that it isn't getting warmer.

You imply this "logic" in your previous post on this thread (and others) by saying, "DON'T get your hope up though!" You go on to tell us how old the record is.

This seems to indicate that you don't want global warming supporters to believe the data because the old record was "76 years ago" and therefore "corrupted".

This brings up two problems: The first is that the older research is corrupted. We can debate this, but it isn't necessary for my point. So, let's assume the old data is "corrupt".

This brings up the second, more important problem, and the one that exposes your bias. And that is, even if the data is corrupt, you assume it favors your point of view. When in reality, it is just as likely to mean that things are even worse.

Why do you assume that because old weather records are "corrupt" that it means it favors your point of view and that it isn't warming? Maybe those "corrupt" records are off the other way, meaning it's warming up even more than the "corrupt" stats say?

Each possibility is just as likely as the other, as any "corrupt" data is just as likely to be higher than it is lower, yet you always assume that any "corrupt" data supports your views. According to your own "logic", it's just as likely that global warming is even worse than it is, than it doesn't exist.

So every time you bring up "corrupted" data from the past, make sure you also include that things could be worse and not cherry-pick the data to support your own views, as you have in all of your past posts on the topic.

Glad I could answer your questions for you...

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seasoned

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Glad you asked. I will now show you how biased your thinking is...

First, this is based on vaious comments you have made implying climate data is faulty because past research is faulty. You have used this "logic" to imply that it isn't getting warmer.

You imply this "logic" in your previous post on this thread (and others) by saying, "DON'T get your hope up though!" You go on to tell us how old the record is.

This seems to indicate that you don't want global warming supporters to believe the data because the old record was "76 years ago" and therefore "corrupted".

This brings up two problems: The first is that the older research is corrupted. We can debate this, but it isn't necessary for my point. So, let's assume the old data is "corrupt".

This brings up the second, more important problem, and the one that exposes your bias. And that is, even if the data is corrupt, you assume it favors your point of view. When in reality, it is just as likely to mean that things are even worse.

Why do you assume that because old weather records are "corrupt" that it means it favors your point of view and that it isn't warming? Maybe those "corrupt" records are off the other way, meaning it's warming up even more than the "corrupt" stats say?

Each possibility is just as likely as the other, as any "corrupt" data is just as likely to be higher than it is lower, yet you always assume that any "corrupt" data supports your views. According to your own "logic", it's just as likely that global warming is even worse than it is, than it doesn't exist.

So every time you bring up "corrupted" data from the past, make sure you also include that things could be worse and not cherry-pick the data to support your own views, as you have in all of your past posts on the topic.

Glad I could answer your questions for you...

Well, now YOU fall into several traps! First of all, if the data is faulty, YEAH, it could mean EITHER! It could mean higher or lower or the same. Error variances of 3 percent or more are thrown around on EVERYTHING!!!!!!! Just a few weeks ago, I watched a documentary on how this company(supposedly the world leader on such things) makes rope. The average underestimate in electronics and various mechanical devices is 15%!!!!! THEIR tests? 100%! If you buy rope rated to support 10Tons, it was tested to support over 20Tons. So variances are COMMON.

That means that, in this particular example, statistically, the temperature hasn't really been affected in almost 100 years!

NOW, MY contention is that this was expected, is normal, and we don't know how things have changed over the past with any accuracy. This could be viewed as some evidence there. YOU are claiming it has gone up, and we FULLY know why! FURTHER you claim that various countries can cut it enough that, if they do, this will be stopped. FURTHER, you obviusly agree that taxes would do this. All of that is just wrong. Many of the biggest players would NEVER comply! THE biggest player said so, hasn't signed any such treaties, and has NEVER complied. I could say more there, but....

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Well, now YOU fall into several traps! First of all, if the data is faulty, YEAH, it could mean EITHER! It could mean higher or lower or the same. Error variances of 3 percent or more are thrown around on EVERYTHING!!!!!!! Just a few weeks ago, I watched a documentary on how this company(supposedly the world leader on such things) makes rope. The average underestimate in electronics and various mechanical devices is 15%!!!!! THEIR tests? 100%! If you buy rope rated to support 10Tons, it was tested to support over 20Tons. So variances are COMMON.

That means that, in this particular example, statistically, the temperature hasn't really been affected in almost 100 years!

NOW, MY contention is that this was expected, is normal, and we don't know how things have changed over the past with any accuracy. This could be viewed as some evidence there. YOU are claiming it has gone up, and we FULLY know why! FURTHER you claim that various countries can cut it enough that, if they do, this will be stopped. FURTHER, you obviusly agree that taxes would do this. All of that is just wrong. Many of the biggest players would NEVER comply! THE biggest player said so, hasn't signed any such treaties, and has NEVER complied. I could say more there, but....

Steve

Sorry Steve...I made no assumptions, other than proving you have a bias. Saying I claimed it went up is not reality, in the context of this thread. I suggest you actually read my post.

According to your own "logic", global warming could be even worse because the stats are "corrupt".

BTW, the science is more accurate than you give it credit. I just conceded that point for this conversation to show your extreme bias. And like you said, "YEAH, it could mean EITHER! It could mean higher or lower or the same." Remember this the next time you cherry pick. You just confirmed my entire point.

Funny how you said I "fell into a trap", when you just admitted I was correct.

I can claim the temps have risen because I accept that the science is more accurate than you give it credit. It is YOU that can't make any judgements because YOU don't think the science is accurate. Yet YOU base your opinion that there isn't global warming based on YOUR own preferences, not what you just claimed is reality. Like you said yourself, it could be worse.

PS. Who cares about rope? Focus, Steve, focus.

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vladf22

14 years ago

Well over 100 in Missouri.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

102F right now in Upstate SC.

After it hits 90 it all feels the same.

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Dave Patterson

14 years ago

Even this fawn figured out a way to beat the heat...

Video: Fawn Jumps In Pool In Fayetteville, TN | WHNT.com — Huntsville News & Weather from WHNT Television News19 HD

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lyricaldeb

14 years ago

It is 103 degrees and humid in Washington DC !!!

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MoneyMagnetMagnate 14 years ago

Originally Posted by lyricaldeb

It is 103 degrees and humid in Washington DC !!!

I thought that was normal in Washington...due to all the hot air...
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Patrician

14 years ago

It's lovely here around 76 degrees F, winds at 16 mph (thank you God).

As usual the weather people were humiliated as two days ago on every news channel they made a big deal of how hot it was going to get (80-90's inland) for the next week or two.

ha haha - that made the fog and wind come in to cool things off - now they are saying 'well NEXT week! They actually looked red in the face because they are wrong so much.

I was ready for dreadful misery so I am happy for the change of 'plans' and hope it stays below 80. (our horrible tacky hot time is not usually until late August-September) and I sure can wait.

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John Durham

14 years ago

We are sweating harder than a one legged roofer in a butt kicking contest here in Ar. Dave.

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AprilCT 14 years ago

97 on Friday, and the news is saying 100 or so Saturday. About 25 years ago, I think we got up to 104-105 in July or early August for a good bit of time. It's really been hot here.

It might be just as easy to stick a skillet out in the driveway and cook dinner there soon.
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Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago

Originally Posted by KimW

I love that song.

Me too.

Some of you folks make me glad I live in Wisconsin. It was in the upper 80's here, which is about 10 degrees above average, but nothing like some of you folks are getting.

This made me curious though. The hottest day ever recorded in Wisconsin was 114 in 1936. Of the 20 hottest summers ever recorded in Wisconsin, the 1930's had the most with 5. Makes me glad I wasn't alive then!

The coldest temperature was -55 in 1996. How about that, the difference between the record high and record low is 169 degrees! It boggles the mind.

The hottest temperature ever recorded in the US was 134 degrees in California in 1913. The coldest ever temperature was in Alaska in 1971 at -80. The biggest difference between high and low temperates goes to Montana with a record low of -70 (1954) and a record high of 117 (1937), for a 187 degree swing.

Source: UNITED STATES EXTREME RECORD TEMPERATURES & RANGES
Hottest 20 Summers Source: Top 20 Warmest Summers in Wisconsin
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Sumit Menon

14 years ago

24C or 75F says Google. Sucks to be you!

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ThomM 14 years ago

The jet stream fell a little short here in Upstate New York. Only 93 yesterday and a high of 91 predicted for today. Then back into the high 80's.
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- MoneyMagnetMagnate 14 years ago
  
  You think it's bad where YOU are! :p
  
  This is murder on us Plastic Surgeons!
  
  We're starting to get complaints about our work! :rolleyes:
  
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Sumit Menon

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill

It's so hot that a sultry gaze from Jessica Alba goes unnoticed in a men's prison.

You must be a terrific copywriter!

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Big Rob

14 years ago

As a Floridian with 36 years of experience with sub-tropical heat, IMHO this is indeed the earliest and most extreme temp climb I can remember.

It's freakin HOT!

@ Steve, In my part of the world, it is getting hotter.

@Kurt, Man made or naturally occurring cycle, I believe there is climate change happening.

Here are my diagnoses:
1. We are moving closer to the Sun.
2. The increase of fossil fuel consumption
3. Population explosion
4. Deforestation
5. Technological advancements, a.k.a consumer electronics
6. Cattle Farts

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Todays high was 102F & 12 hours later it's now 72F, after a storm (Upstate SC).

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AnniePot 14 years ago

Could this be playing a part possibly? HAARP: Weather Control

No political innuendos - I'm totally lacking in any political leaning - just an observation...
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- MissTerraK 14 years ago
  
  Sorry I'm late to the party, but after it hit 100 degrees here on the 28th, we ran away Up North Friday morning to my sister's cottage on Houghton Lake, spent 3 days out on the pontoon, and got back late last night.
  
  The temps dropped a tad, but they're saying 90 today with high humidity and today will be the coolest of the week!
  
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  sloanjim 14 years ago
  
  To Kurt.
  
  PLEASE do waste your time trying to explaine anything to ********....seriously...you are wasting your effort. Everything in his world revolves around "his opinion" and that's that! Unbelievable!
  
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sloanjim

14 years ago

Isn't some part of the USA breaking new heat records every summer these days? I recall the midwest last year and was it California the year before?...still...... nothing to worry about is it. "Au Naturale."

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HeySal

14 years ago

I was watching the global stats and on the average globally we had the 17th warmest April on record. Not nearly newsworthy. Can't remember how far back the records go - sometime in the 1800's the "official' records started.

The West/NW is experiencing colder than usual temps. I had a rockhound meet-up in "desert" area just a few weeks back and we had to wear winter coats - 28f at night. There was snow on the ground half the way there. It melted by mid day, but still - this was in late June. Crazy. This weekend was warm enough to be comfortable out on the mountain and at the reservoir (central OR) but we haven't even started seeing normal summer heat yet.

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MissTerraK 14 years ago

That's gotta suck Sal!

Michigan not only had the warmest April ever on record, but the warmest Spring ever on record as well.

It's a fluke and not a trend, I'm sure, lol!

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