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Horny Devil Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

. . . bacteria and microbes . . .

You've been to McDonalds as well then Claude.

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

. . . fully formed beings?

. . . or maybe not.
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Joe Mobley

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Joe; Do you mean from bacteria and microbes on asteroids, or as fully formed beings?

The possibilities are endless.

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Claude Whitacre

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

The possibilities are endless.

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...th-2012-a.html

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Joe; I don't have any idea, and I don't know that others do either. But it's agreed among most cosmologists that the chemistry needed for life is everywhere.

The building blocks of life? I can't see any reason why not. The same chemistry exists everywhere. Actual living organisms coming to Earth from other planets? I suppose.

But unless those organisms were born in our solar system, they would have to travel for at least hundreds of thousands of years. Maybe millions of years. The distances between stars is vast in the extreme.

Again, who knows.

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Joe Mobley

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Joe; I don't have any idea, and I don't know that others do either. But it's agreed among most cosmologists that the chemistry needed for life is everywhere.

The building blocks of life? I can't see any reason why not. The same chemistry exists everywhere.

I don't know enough about this to pass judgement, but... it is interesting.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Joe; I don't have any idea, and I don't know that others do either. But it's agreed among most cosmologists that the chemistry needed for life is everywhere.

The building blocks of life? I can't see any reason why not. The same chemistry exists everywhere. Actual living organisms coming to Earth from other planets? I suppose.

But unless those organisms were born in our solar system, they would have to travel for at least hundreds of thousands of years. Maybe millions of years. The distances between stars is vast in the extreme.

Again, who knows.

Even the distance to the MOON is vast. If it went too fast, it would get exceedingly hot very fast. If it went too slow, any food supply would be exhausted. Water likely would also. So nearly everything would not be available. And that is from the MOON! I mean the sun is like 10 light minutes away. IMAGINE! If you were merely denied oxygen, and had EVERYTHING else(food, correct temperature, water, etc....), and had a trip at warp 1, you would STILL be dead coming here from the sun.

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Frank Donovan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GT

(By the way, I used to be an avid believer in the possibility of extraterrestrial life in the universe, but reading and research in recent years has totally reversed my point of view.) GT

GT, to be fair, most of those books would have been written by earthlings.

Originally Posted by seasoned

Even the distance to the MOON is vast. If it went too fast, it would get exceedingly hot very fast. If it went too slow, any food supply would be exhausted. Water likely would also. So nearly everything would not be available. And that is from the MOON! I mean the sun is like 10 light minutes away. IMAGINE! If you were merely denied oxygen, and had EVERYTHING else(food, correct temperature, water, etc....), and had a trip at warp 1, you would STILL be dead coming here from the sun.

Steve, with the distances involved, it's probable (if they existed) that any ET craft would be piloted by non organic crew, or bots - just as we'd send probes to distant planets or stars before or instead of sending humans. But the OP asked whether we believed ETs had ever visited Earth, to which, it seems to me, the only answer can be: who knows? I don't see enough evidence or reason to form a belief either way, but I remain fascinated by the possibility.

As to the question of life elsewhere in the universe; if the answer is yes, it would be mind-boggling. If the answer is no, it would be infinitely more so.

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

GT, to be fair, most of those books would have been written by earthlings.

Steve, with the distances involved, it's probable (if they existed) that any ET craft would be piloted by non organic crew, or bots - just as we'd send probes to distant planets or stars before or instead of sending humans. But the OP asked whether we believed ETs had ever visited Earth, to which, it seems to me, the only answer can be: who knows? I don't see enough evidence or reason to form a belief either way, but I remain fascinated by the possibility.

As to the question of life elsewhere in the universe; if the answer is yes, it would be mind-boggling. If the answer is no, it would be infinitely more so.

Frank

Well, MOST "et theory" dictates that LIVE aliens are visiting us now.

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Doran Peck

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

GT, to be fair, most of those books would have been written by earthlings.

Steve, with the distances involved, it's probable (if they existed) that any ET craft would be piloted by non organic crew, or bots - just as we'd send probes to distant planets or stars before or instead of sending humans. But the OP asked whether we believed ETs had ever visited Earth, to which, it seems to me, the only answer can be: who knows? I don't see enough evidence or reason to form a belief either way, but I remain fascinated by the possibility.

As to the question of life elsewhere in the universe; if the answer is yes, it would be mind-boggling. If the answer is no, it would be infinitely more so.

Frank

Of course the glaring flaw in your logic is that you are making these assumptions from a human point of view....with limited human understanding...and with confined human logic.

The comparison of how "we would do it" to other possible life forms renders the argument wholly deficient on its face.

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Joe Mobley

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doran Peck

Of course the glaring flaw in your logic is that you are making these assumptions from a human point of view....with limited human understanding...and with confined human logic.

The comparison of how "we would do it" to other possible life forms renders the argument wholly deficient on its face.

Bingo!

What if they (?) have figured out how to traverse vast distances with ease and speed? To them... we are straining at a gnat.

With that being said, I have not seen sufficient evidence to support a "visit by aliens" theory. I do believe that it is highly probable that the stuff of life, our lives was brought here by meteors.

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Frank Donovan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doran Peck

Of course the glaring flaw in your logic is that you are making these assumptions from a human point of view....with limited human understanding...and with confined human logic.

The comparison of how "we would do it" to other possible life forms renders the argument wholly deficient on its face.

Well, of course. Everything anyone does, thinks or says in this world is from a human perspective. It's all we have to go with. I wouldn't call it flawed logic, although it's obviously limited, by definition.

Discussing how "we would do it" is a perfectly reasonable starting point when responding to a specific, defined scenario. A wider speculation on the nature of cosmological existence might be fun, but bound by our human cognition, it's just whistling in space. Clearly, we don't know what we don't know.

Nevertheless, given that it looks as though the basic elements necessary for the existence of life (as we know it) are spread abundantly throughout the cosmos, it doesn't seem like an awfully big stretch to suggest there'd be some fundamental similarities between us and other life forms, if they exist. But at this stage, who knows? To quote Asimov: "All life is nucleic acid; the rest is commentary".

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myob

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

to be fair, most of those books would have been written by earthlings.

Then would it also be fair to say that some of those books could have been written by ET visitors?

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Denis Mlad

13 years ago

It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of facts. The facts I know suggest that aliens don't visit Earth at this moment. The facts I know suggest that THERE ARE alien lifeforms in the universe/s

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seasoned

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Denis Mlad

It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of facts. The facts I know suggest that aliens don't visit Earth at this moment. The facts I know suggest that THERE ARE alien lifeforms in the universe/s

WOW! You DO realize that NOBODY could state that for a fact! Did you realize that in china and indonesia there was a "MYTH" about these creatures. Scientists didn't believe it. The Indonesian one was called "man of the forest"! I think it even had big feet!

BTW as for those two myths? Well, your local zoo might have some. The chinese one is now called the giant panda. The indonesian one is still called man of the forest, in indonesian "orangutan". Of course, these are only TWO examples.

Of course, tey find new species all the time. The ocean is too vast to even EXPLORE. We are on a really small part of the planet.

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Frank Donovan 13 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

Then would it also be fair to say that some of those books could have been written by ET visitors?

I was simply leaving open the possibility that he'd read something by David Icke.
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LarryC

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Even the distance to the MOON is vast. If it went too fast, it would get exceedingly hot very fast. If it went too slow, any food supply would be exhausted. Water likely would also. So nearly everything would not be available. And that is from the MOON! I mean the sun is like 10 light minutes away. IMAGINE! If you were merely denied oxygen, and had EVERYTHING else(food, correct temperature, water, etc....), and had a trip at warp 1, you would STILL be dead coming here from the sun.

Steve

If ETs do some here, they are almost certainly not traveling the way we think of it. The distances are simply too vast. They would have to be using alternative means that involve traveling through dimensions. This possibility is not so farfetched in light of recent discoveries in quantum physics.

Some such theories are summarized here:

UFO Theories: How do they get here? - UFO Evidence

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by LarryC

If ETs do some here, they are almost certainly not traveling the way we think of it. The distances are simply too vast. They would have to be using alternative means that involve traveling through dimensions. This possibility is not so farfetched in light of recent discoveries in quantum physics.

Some such theories are summarized here:

UFO Theories: How do they get here? - UFO Evidence

Well, there SHOULD be a difference between an idea and a theory. Given there lately doesn't seem to be, there is what I call the GENIE theory! As I understand it, this is roughly about 1400 years old proposed by a guy whose name I should not mention. People have been KILLED for just mentioning the guys name, though many are named after him,go figure! BTW it is REALLY the JINN theory, but c'est la vie... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn

The theory is that, on earth, there are a race of creatures that can give you what you want, even to teleporting you elsewhere. This idea was brought to the US in the 1960s! In fact, it became a popular sitcom!

I Dream of Jeannie Season 5 Episode 11 "The...

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seasoned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Joe; Do you mean from bacteria and microbes on asteroids, or as fully formed beings?

Well, it IS unlikely that any debris on a comet, etc..., could be ALIVE, so are you saying that we might have evolved from a microbe on an ET's shoe?

For ME? UFOs DO exist! They HAVE TO! The SUN was a UFO! a couple decades ago, HAV BLUE was a UFO! The question is if they have intelligent life that has visited us. I don't know. Frankly, the humanoid form is probably about the most likely. Claws would get in the way of working with things. Walking on four, etc... would also complicate things. Having multiple arms could be good, but one wonders how they may work. A head is better for seeing the environment. HECK, there are a lot of reasons why the eyes should be close to the brain.

So all that means that aliens ARE likely to be humanoid. So the fact that nearly all sentient ET's have been shown as humanoid is likely to end up more prophetic, than simply because people couldn't imagine better. That assumes, of course, that there ARE sentient ET's!

Anyway, unfortunately, the idea that ET's are likely humanoid blows away the exclusionary theory that the old drawings MUST merely be imagination, etc.... People forget one thing! The question they present is NOT what all ET's look like! We may NEVER know THAT! The question is what SENTIENT ET's CAPABLE OF OPERATING, AND LIKELY MAKING, a spacecraft look like. Think of all the creatures that are on this planet. There are MANY, but only ONE has done all this. An ape or monkey may be able to, but could a dolphin, cat, or dog do it? Even with a HUMAN brain and all the knowledge currently available? NOPE!

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johnben1444

13 years ago

There was no ET, period...

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Horny Devil Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by johnben1444

There was no ET, period...

Yes there was, you goddam spoilsport. I've got the video that I never took back to the rental shop.

Go home!
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Joe Mobley 13 years ago

Originally Posted by johnben1444

There was no ET, period...

Maybe a little more specificity please?

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bravo75

13 years ago

Most definitely yes.

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lowriderzzz 13 years ago

Idk about the ETs but I'd like to see the et3 - Why ET3? | Evacuated Tube Transport Technologies
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GT

13 years ago

To my understanding, there has never been any verifiable evidence to support the idea of the existence of life in the universe besides that which originated on our planet. UFO sightings have either been wrongly identified terrestrial objects or produced from the imagination of the persons reporting them.

That is my opinion and my belief.

(By the way, I used to be an avid believer in the possibility of extraterrestrial life in the universe, but reading and research in recent years has totally reversed my point of view.)

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AprilCT 13 years ago

You mean aliens? I think I've stated before that some people I worked with in the past made me suspicious.
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by GT

To my understanding, there has never been any verifiable evidence to support the idea of the existence of life in the universe besides that which originated on our planet. UFO sightings have either been wrongly identified terrestrial objects or produced from the imagination of the persons reporting them.

NOT TRUE! What of the sun, planets, asteroids, etc....? There is SO much that people don't yet know. To say otherwise would mean that you would likely have a weird conspiracy about Area 51, or to say that they DID find aliens.

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MissTerraK 13 years ago

I do believe that ETs have visited the earth, but I also do believe that what you believe ETs are and what I believe they are definitely different.

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HeySal

13 years ago

ETs quit coming to the US because we denied them citizenship. Now that there are sanctuary cities, they might come back again. It's a long drive for them, so hard telling when that will be.

Well, ETs are very real - but they are actually humans that escaped from the first destruction of civilization here, and came back now and again to see if we survived at all.

And, yeah - I do think I am kidding, but, damned..........exactly how can we be sure of the truth of any bit of this stuff until one walks up and taps us on the shoulder and talks to us themselves? From the knowledge level they would possess (a given just because they could get here and back), I'm thinking the only thing they would see us as is an attraction for a petting zoo. They'd also probably be able to bend and distort light enough that we'd never see them anyhow.

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Joe Mobley 13 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

the first destruction of civilization here

Is that when they tore down the Stucky's and Woolworth to make room for a Wal*mart?

Dang I miss those Pecan Log Rolls.

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Mikaedi88

13 years ago

I watched this doco on Aliens on the Documentary channel the other day..

This character was going on about Aliens sending viruses to earth, and the most ridiculous notion of all that the US has been in secret negotiation with them, that they had evidence of files that had recently been made public backing this up

These are the same weirdo's that claim the moon landing was staged.

Do Alien's as a physical intelligent life form exist, absolutely not..

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KFranks

13 years ago

I believe that ET's have visited earth but I don't believe in ghosts exist

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tagiscom 13 years ago

Phew interesting thread! :rolleyes:

Blatantly obvious that aliens exist, and have visited us for thousands of years at least!

What l have found on Mars proves that.

Hard to say whether intelligent life is there now, eventhough the odds are good.

It is only fear of the unknown that allows doubt, but so far no-one has been able to explain away the martian house or hall, l found on the Mars Curiosity Stealth Mission thread? :rolleyes:

And that's ok, if it is too much for some to handle.

Yep, l have seen one or two UFO specials on tv, that tried to dismiss the whole thing as something made up in the mind only!

That means that top people in the US who have seen this stuff up close, are delusional, (some control nuclear missile silos) so if you totally believe that UFO,s are a crock, then you should be scared that delusional people are in top positions of your military, etc.

Unless of course they are real then there is nothing to fear!

For people who doubt that UFO's are real, (watched too many propaganda BS videos) here are some pics, of what followed the astronauts on their missions.

Asteroids don't move from side to side, have a rectangular shape on them and follow them to the moon, every time, in my book!

Ufo Followed Apollo 11 To The Moon. - YouTube

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Threads like this are always interesting. Of course there are UFOs, anything in the sky that we can't identify is by definition a UFO. That doesn't mean it's of extraterrestrial origin, and that's what was asked - if we believe extraterrestrials have visited our little old planet.

To that question I say, I don't know. I haven't seen anything to convince me that aliens are or have been here. I think there is life "out there" somewhere, probably in lots of places, but as far as I can tell they (whoever they are) are there and we are here.

I am open to it being possible though, because I don't know that they have not been here either. That's what's funny about threads like this, some are sure the aliens have been here, or are here, and some are sure they are not.

Whether you believe they've been here or not, how did you arrive at those beliefs? In matters like this, an absence of evidence is not proof of non-existence, and belief without conclusive evidence has a measure of faith, but faith does not constitute proof.

So it seems to me, if you firmly believe or firmly disbelieve, you're basing your belief on what you want to believe. Once you've made up your mind to do that, your mind will attempt to find ways to confirm your belief. The trouble with that is, of course, that we become less objective.

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myob 13 years ago

According to a survey conducted by National Geographic about a year ago, more than three quarters (77 percent) of those surveyed believe there are signs that aliens have visited Earth, and eighty percent believe the government has hidden information on UFOs from the public.
Most Americans Believe Government Keeps UFO Secrets, Survey Finds - US News and World Report
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Claude Whitacre

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Whether you believe they've been here or not, how did you arrive at those beliefs? In matters like this, an absence of evidence is not proof of non-existence, and belief without conclusive evidence has a measure of faith, but faith does not constitute proof.

So it seems to me, if you firmly believe or firmly disbelieve, you're basing your belief on what you want to believe. Once you've made up your mind to do that, your mind will attempt to find ways to confirm your belief. The trouble with that is, of course, that we become less objective.

Dennis; A nice piece of reasoning. I don't believe we've been visited. But only because I've never seen any evidence, or thread of logic, that would suggest that we have been.

And the distances between stars is vastly longer than most can visualize.

But if there was any real credible evidence, I would be happy to believe it. It would make our world more interesting.

Youtube videos are not evidence. Posts of Forums are not evidence.

I'm not saying that aliens aren't among us now. I just have no reason to believe they are.

There is no evidence that Superman has been on Earth. And so I don't believe in Superman. But if someone says they believe Superman exists, we are culturally conditioned to respect that belief. That process is fun to watch.

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Joe Mobley

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

we are culturally conditioned to respect that belief.

Unless you become a pushy mofoe and try to inflict those beliefs on others.

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

That process is fun to watch.

Yes it is.

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tagiscom

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doran Peck

Of course the glaring flaw in your logic is that you are making these assumptions from a human point of view....with limited human understanding...and with confined human logic.

The comparison of how "we would do it" to other possible life forms renders the argument wholly deficient on its face.

I don't know why some will use the distance barrier, NASA believes that warp drive can be developed, so our nearest star could be reached in two weeks, with it, instead of 50 tp 80 years!

Or with a global setup, they could develop a planet sized ship and get there a bit slower using a large hydrogen collector, that can get close to light speed.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I don't know why some will use the distance barrier, NASA believes that warp drive can be developed, so our nearest star could be reached in two weeks, with it, instead of 50 tp 80 years!

Or with a global setup, they could develop a planet sized ship and get there a bit slower using a large hydrogen collector, that can get close to light speed.

Can't really get homesick, if you take your home with you!

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HOW do you develop a planet sized ship with earth resources? Most earth substances aren't usable! At WARP speed, ****NO**** earth substances are usable! And saying that "NASA BELIEVES" REALLY means that the marketing arm of NASA CLAIMS they believe. YEAH, marketers NEVER lie, RIGHT?

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tagiscom

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

HOW do you develop a planet sized ship with earth resources? Most earth substances aren't usable! At WARP speed, ****NO**** earth substances are usable! And saying that "NASA BELIEVES" REALLY means that the marketing arm of NASA CLAIMS they believe. YEAH, marketers NEVER lie, RIGHT?

Steve

Hmmmmm,

Engage! Quantum Thruster Physics Could Help Make Warp Drive a Reality | Space.com

So l am sure advanced aliens, could at least spin this, in some way, to get to very high speeds without the mass, velocity limits of conventional light speed!

As for developing a very big ship capable of close to light speed, using a hydrogen collector to get past the mass barrier, more than possible, if we got past the country, border crap and shared resources equally!

But l get your point, we would probably have to develop interim tech, to grab asteroids, to have enough resources to pull it off, and eventhough small planet size is theoretically possible, a very large ship is more likely, (7 or 8 Apollo rockets long).

Distance isn't a barrier, just an hindrance!

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tagiscom 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Shane; It's 50,000-80,000 years using the fasted speed achieved by a satellite, including a few assists from swings around planets.

Sorry, Claude, (me being lazy again) 50 -80 years using the most developed systems, which are...

The Deadulus Probe, which uses Deuterium pellets, ignited by lazers, could reach 10% light speed or get to Bernard s star in about 50 years!

The other is a smaller ship, (Deadulas is as big as a couple of Apollo rockets long) only as big as the ISS, and could get there in 80 years.

Deadulas was developed in the 50's and eventhough barely possible with current tech, the other ship NASA came up with is possible.

I was using them for comparative examples.

Shane

yep, Voyager will reach the nearest star in about 50,000 years eventhough it is traveling at about 15 kms a second!

have to put my fav, video up again....

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Hmmmmm,

Engage! Quantum Thruster Physics Could Help Make Warp Drive a Reality | Space.com

So l am sure advanced aliens, could at least spin this, in some way, to get to very high speeds without the mass, velocity limits of conventional light speed!

Well, THEY might have different materials. Then again....

As for developing a very big ship capable of close to light speed, using a hydrogen collector to get past the mass barrier, more than possible, if we got past the country, border crap and shared resources equally!

I wasn't talking about the ability to produce enough power to get mass to conceivably move at the speed of light. In theory, that is POSSIBLE, although the efficiency and predictability would have to improve to make t viable, **************EXCEPT************ I WAS talking about the integrity of mass on this planet, and therefore of items in the engine, that would BLOW APART if the reached the speed of light. Granted, THAT is just atomic theory and if I am wrong, a LOT of things would have to be REWRITTEN, ******BUT****** you would need a computer taht would have to REALLY process about a quintillion or sextillion operations per second(to do things in bursts, or MAYBE we can do it with 2-3 BILLION operations per c! SERIOUSLY, it would have to be FAST! It would have to RELIABLY plot a course to avoid EVERY particle along the way. THAT statement has to be true, or they should sell every particle accelerator on the planet for scrap because they couldn't work.

But l get your point, we would probably have to develop interim tech, to grab asteroids, to have enough resources to pull it off, and eventhough small planet size is theoretically possible, a very large ship is more likely, (7 or 8 Apollo rockets long).

Distance isn't a barrier, just an hindrance!

Shane

I don't know WHERE you could find such asteroids. Apparently, they have NEVER seen such a creature. AND, if you did, HOW would you process the material?

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Riptor 13 years ago

Probably one of the best cases I know of is the Turkey UFO incident which was filmed over a 3 year period 2007 - 2009, the filming was taken by a security guard on the coast of Turkey after an intense spell of UFO activity/sightings in 2007. Apparently the raw footage has been analysed and proven to be legit... I am still not sure.

Turkey UFO Clearly Shows Aliens - Dr Roger Leir -...

There is a lots of info and much more footage here, make up your own minds.

Turkey UFO Incident - YouTube
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Claude Whitacre

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tagiscom

I don't know why some will use the distance barrier, NASA believes that warp drive can be developed, so our nearest star could be reached in two weeks, with it, instead of 50 tp 80 years!

Or with a global setup, they could develop a planet sized ship and get there a bit slower using a large hydrogen collector, that can get close to light speed.

Can't really get homesick, if you take your home with you!

Shane

Shane; It's 50,000-80,000 years using the fastest speed achieved by a satellite, including a few assists from swings around planets. Getting close to light speed may be possible, but it would take decades (or longer, I haven't looked this up) to get up to speed, at 1 G (or one Earth gravity)...and then the decrease in speed would take the same length of time.

Of course, that's all based on our understanding of our laws of physics. There is certainly more to learn.

But if we just make up our laws of physics to suit our story...then sure.

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Or with a global setup, they could develop a planet sized ship and get there a bit slower using a large hydrogen collector, that can get close to light speed.

Shane

Did you know that "Planet" and "Global" mean the same thing? Are you thinking someone would just convert their whole planet into a hydrogen collector?

That would be some science project.

Where would the alien kids go to school? Where would they eat their hamburgers?

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Doran Peck

13 years ago

I haven't seen any evidence with my own eyes, but here's why I believe in such things.

My dad was in the Air Force, and retired an Airline Pilot. Growing up he told us numerous accounts of seeing otherworldly aircraft...and he would always emphasize "craft" because they made logical controlled movements.

My sister, who has a very high security clearance in the Navy has been in meetings where they have discussed Mermaids very matter of factly. I have a Brother in Law who is an intelligence officer on a submarine tell us that his whole crew has seen mermaids.

...and because I believe in the integrity of their word...I believe in such things.

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Dennis Gaskill

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doran Peck

My sister, who has a very high security clearance in the Navy has been in meetings where they have discussed Mermaids very matter of factly. I have a Brother in Law who is an intelligence officer on a submarine tell us that his whole crew has seen mermaids.

...and because I believe in the integrity of their word...I believe in such things.

I had a secret security clearance when I was in the Navy. And I worked in the intelligence department. We never once discussed mermaids.

My intent is not to cast doubt upon your family's integrity, but to point out that such conversations are not necessarily commonplace.

And your last line goes back to what I said in my post, that those who believe are arriving at those beliefs based, at least partly, in faith. In your case it's faith in your family's integrity. Nothing wrong with that at all, but it isn't proof that is convincing to those who want real evidence.

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socialentry

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Doran Peck

I haven't seen any evidence with my own eyes, but here's why I believe in such things.

My dad was in the Air Force, and retired an Airline Pilot. Growing up he told us numerous accounts of seeing otherworldly aircraft...and he would always emphasize "craft" because they made logical controlled movements.

My sister, who has a very high security clearance in the Navy has been in meetings where they have discussed Mermaids very matter of factly. I have a Brother in Law who is an intelligence officer on a submarine tell us that his whole crew has seen mermaids.

...and because I believe in the integrity of their word...I believe in such things.

Have they thought you about the term RUMINT also?

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tagiscom

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Well, THEY might have different materials. Then again....

I wasn't talking about the ability to produce enough power to get mass to conceivably move at the speed of light. In theory, that is POSSIBLE, although the efficiency and predictability would have to improve to make t viable, **************EXCEPT************ I WAS talking about the integrity of mass on this planet, and therefore of items in the engine, that would BLOW APART if the reached the speed of light. Granted, THAT is just atomic theory and if I am wrong, a LOT of things would have to be REWRITTEN, ******BUT****** you would need a computer taht would have to REALLY process about a quintillion or sextillion operations per second(to do things in bursts, or MAYBE we can do it with 2-3 BILLION operations per c! SERIOUSLY, it would have to be FAST! It would have to RELIABLY plot a course to avoid EVERY particle along the way. THAT statement has to be true, or they should sell every particle accelerator on the planet for scrap because they couldn't work.

I don't know WHERE you could find such asteroids. Apparently, they have NEVER seen such a creature. AND, if you did, HOW would you process the material?

Steve

Arrrr, ok, fair point, but for an example rocket engines could get very close to light speed, but are unreliable, so 6 years is in fairytale country, but...

If rocket engines could be built by nano-machines, or atom by atom, then it could be build from diamond hard materials.

The reliability would skyrocket, (sorry about the pun) and it could open up our solar system or probably our nearest star systems.

The asteroids are in our back yard, or conventional ion engines could power them back to Earth or Moon orbit for processing. A company in England is setting plans in place for this.

Some asteroids are massive piles of iron ore, or diamond, just waiting to be mined, so eventhough very expensive, it can be very profitable.

Haven't really looked into the computer part, l just thought that it would work like the ship in Avatar, a long telescope would pinpoint the star or target, (front of ship) and the surrounding stars would help.

Then a mainframe would keep it on target. As for the pinpointing all particles, as you are saying probably not possible, the ship would slam into whatever before it has a chance to slow down, so as said with the nanomanafacture, a screen of super strong material, and or a repelling energy field may get over this.

Or they send a ship or two on the exact path, the main ship is taking, to clear a path, so most of the particles already have been removed.

So if a trade route is developed between here and Alphacentauri, then an automated ship could drop boys that could scan the path and report any issues back to Earth.

So effectively ship A, takes 4 years, (or ships) and clears the path, as well as continually scanning the route for issues which would then be removed by automated robots.

A bit like creating an intergalactic highway, which may take a few crashes initially, but set up a high speed road for future missions.

There are usually many ways to spin all this, so it is viable, long distance is a challenge, but not a barrier to exploration!

Shane

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Kay King 13 years ago

long distance is a challenge, but not a barrier to exploration!

Yup - and how the West was populated.

When it comes to true space exploration or colonization - we're still in the covered wagon stage, I guess.
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