by herb44
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HAS ANY NEWBIE HERE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH BROKERING SERVICES WITHOUT FACE TO FACE MEETINGS WITH BUSINESS OWNERS?:confused:
#brokering #newbie
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Yes actually, I have made over $250k at it personally... on Alibaba.
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    • Profile picture of the author Luke Bishop
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Yes actually, I have made over $250k at it personally... on Alibaba.

      Can I live in your shoes for one day, damn!

      Dear God, throw me a frickin bone!
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Luke Bishop View Post

        Can I live in your shoes for one day, damn!

        Dear God, throw me a frickin bone!
        PM me your email addy, and consider the bone thrown! lol
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        • Profile picture of the author paintbrush4u
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          PM me your email addy, and consider the bone thrown! lol
          Paying it forward... Nice.
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          • Profile picture of the author Airway22
            Hey John,

            Here are the questions you wanted me to post about
            brokering stuff on Alibaba.


            1 Can I just start using a business name such as ABC Liquidators,
            or something similar, for using on my Alibaba site and when calling
            manufacturers. Or do I need a license or DBA or some other legal
            permit ?

            2 Is it a good idea to work more than just one particular " niche "
            if I want to really ramp the business up ?

            3 How can I tell if there are enough buyers on Alibaba for the niche
            that I choose ?

            Roger
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by Airway22 View Post

              Hey John,

              Here are the questions you wanted me to post about
              brokering stuff on Alibaba.


              1 Can I just start using a business name such as ABC Liquidators,
              or something similar, for using on my Alibaba site and when calling
              manufacturers. Or do I need a license or DBA or some other legal
              permit ?

              2 Is it a good idea to work more than just one particular " niche "
              if I want to really ramp the business up ?

              3 How can I tell if there are enough buyers on Alibaba for the niche
              that I choose ?

              Roger
              I wanted you to post?

              Isnt this your first post? We couldnt possibly have pm'd but for what its worth... please refresh my memory.

              Originally Posted by Jack Bastide View Post

              Ok ... Joined Alibaba

              Yikes ... Paid Membership is $3k

              Can you start off with a Free Membership
              until you do a deal and then upgrade later?

              I have no problem paying if I know i can make
              money with this

              Jack
              Jack I had the paid membership one year and for what its worth I didnt sell any more than I did with the free one. You can do it either way, Im sure there are some benefits but more perceived than anything...

              Ps. I would make my first deal and pay out of that commission check if I was gonna do it. Its not worth pursuing with 3k until YOU know YOU can make money with it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Ehanson
                I've tried this out a couple of months ago by cold calling various warehouses around the nation but got put off by the gate keepers brushing me off or telling me they don't work with third party sellers.

                Now I'm thinking about contacting ebay sellers with excess inventory. I'm not sure if ebay if that's against Ebay's TOS because your using a third party (buyers on alibaba.com) to sell merchandise listed on ebay.
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                • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                  Originally Posted by Ehanson View Post

                  I've tried this out a couple of months ago by cold calling various warehouses around the nation but got put off by the gate keepers brushing me off or telling me they don't work with third party sellers.

                  Now I'm thinking about contacting ebay sellers with excess inventory. I'm not sure if ebay if that's against Ebay's TOS because your using a third party (buyers on alibaba.com) to sell merchandise listed on ebay.
                  I checked out ebay a few years ago, but the deals werent big enough to make it worth while.

                  I could help you more if I had numbers, your post is a little general.

                  How many manufacturers did you call?
                  How many did you talk to?
                  What Industry?
                  ... specifics.

                  How many hours did you put in per day, for how many consecutive days... alot of times when we cram for a session or two and a couple of months go by and we revisit the thing a few times here and there between, it can seem like we have been working on something for two months, but when you break it down to hours and calls... it actually makes sense where you are in the process. Not saying thats the case.

                  There are always ratios

                  contact ratio
                  not interested ratio
                  Semi interested (cb's)
                  Interested...
                  made a deal...

                  Now when it comes to buyers the process is similar only you do all that, then you get down to 10 people who are "interested"...

                  That doesnt make it a deal though...

                  You go through all those who are interested and there is one immediate buyer "if you pay your dues by treating them well throughout the process" and one sale in the pipeline that will come back and surprise you down the road.

                  Thats the system. If you do all that it may be 2 days, it may be 8 weeks or it may be ten...depending on the size of the deals you are working on... but if you follow that trail EVERY DAY for just 1 hour ONLY... there should be no reason why you dont end up making HUGE commission 10-15-20-30k at a time...

                  What I find after analyzing most peoples situations is that they arent really doing that, it just "feels" like they are, so they arent lying about their experience, they are just telling the way it feels to them from a non objective standpoint.

                  Again that may be the case here. Im the kind that will put my head down and just not look up until I get the result even if I have to go through hell to get it, then once I accomplish the result, I figure out what it cost me later and bandage up all the wounds from running the hard way through the briar patch... next time I cut a smoother path, but none of that makes sense until first I see that I can get the result...everything else can be tweaked...

                  You can always tweak the cost of the process down AFTER you find out what it took to get a result.

                  Until the result is there you have to be "Balls to the Wall".

                  Henry Ford couldnt perfect the automobile and make it cost efficient until first he could make it work.... didnt matter how many tries or how much it cost him to get the result.. later he perfected cost and efficiency and all the other stuff, cant perfect something that doesnt work.

                  You have to make it work first... im getting to a point.

                  My buddy spent a MILLION DOLLARS on a team of technicians to develop a never before heard of piece of machinery... and it made him tens of millions of dollars for the next few years... but it never COST a million dollars again.

                  Once you hone your system its not gonna cost you so much frustration in the future... you can hone it,. The most frustrating part is not having a sale... so I would , and yes "DID" pull ouut all the stops... work every minute and dont count one second of cost until that 10k is in your pocket.... then look back at what it cost to get there.

                  I want to make a point here. If you made a 20,000 deal... you would be here saying MAN I ONLY WORKED FOR 1 hour per day for 8 weeks and I made $20,000, sure I waxs discouraged at times, and sure it felt like I was working hard , but looking back I only worked one hour per day!!!!!!

                  But as it sits now... you are saying " I worked for months and didnt make anything..." No specifics... because the inward man in this scenario might not be so proud to spout the specifics... because in truth, he didnt work an hour a day for 8 weeks consecutively...

                  Again this may not be the case with you but Im just taking an opportunity to say what i "KNOW'... and maybe help someone who reads this take a deeper more objective look at what they are really putting out.

                  Im no Donald Trump but I do okay and I like my life alot... and it seems like what I do alot of other people want to do... so take some advice... MAN YOU GOT TO WANT IT SO BAD that when you have been working for two months tirelessly, you are just getting started.

                  "Determination" by defination is not something you feel, its something you "Make".

                  My determination is that this is gonna happen, in other words there is no way OUT!

                  I saw a motorcyle daredevil say that he knew what commitment was and could give a great example...

                  He says you ride around on the track and get siked up.... then you pull up to the lane leading to the ramp, and you take off....and you go faster and faster, faster all the way till you get to the ramp...where you are about to fly 80 feet in the air for seventy feet and you better hit the ramp on the other side or you are dead...

                  So now you are speeding toward the ramp, here is what he defines as true commitment:

                  And at any point in between your starting point and the moment your wheel hits that ramp, you could back out, and alot of times you are tempted too... but if you do after your wheel hits that ramp you are a gonner... once it does, thats what I call "the moment you committed", because there is no turning back.

                  Well I dont have the nerve to do that with motorcycles... but if I wanted to be a pro, then I would HAVE TO...

                  You dont have to risk your life... but if you want to be in the 20 percentile... which is even narrower than that in my experience, then you HAVE TO have the same level of commitment that the motorcycle guy speaks of.

                  Most are frustrated right now saying :"What does that mean"... it means if you want to be successful you cant afford to kid your self about your level of action and commitment.

                  Success that we are looking for isnt a pat on the back, its a paycheck... and they dont understand these things... you just have to do whatever it takes and pull whatever EVERY MOMENT take, and its its different from moment to moment... to accomplish that end.

                  And gosh darn it, Im not just the president of that club but Im REALLY a customer!

                  In your case ehanson you are still looking for opportunities , however casually at this point, so that tells me that whatever your experience has been with exports...you still believe in the concept and see the potential.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jack Bastide
                Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                Jack I had the paid membership one year and for what its worth I didnt sell any more than I did with the free one. You can do it either way, Im sure there are some benefits but more perceived than anything...

                Ps. I would make my first deal and pay out of that commission check if I was gonna do it. Its not worth pursuing with 3k until YOU know YOU can make money with it.
                Thanks John
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        • Profile picture of the author charlieNY
          Good stuff, John. But I don't want to get involved with the legal and financial documents, which means a)the two parties have to deal directly b)how d I protect themselves so I am not cut out of the deal c)how do I know I will be paid since it could be a one time deal based on having excess inventory d) how can I stay in the picture for future deals between the two parties.
          Also, do you have an ebook, or ecourse you promote?
          thanks,
          CharlieNY
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    • Profile picture of the author dubur
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Yes actually, I have made over $250k at it personally... on Alibaba.
      $250k???? OMG... i hope i can beg infront of you .....
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by dubur View Post

        $250k???? OMG... i hope i can beg infront of you .....
        Money comes and goes... but SKILLZ never die!
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        • Profile picture of the author paintbrush4u
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Money comes and goes... but SKILLZ never die!
          Well said John...
          I read it one of the books where the author said...

          "If you are too busy learning the Tricks of the Trade...
          you may never end up learning the TRADE".

          Gotto BE before you can Do before You can Have...


          BE--> Do--> Have

          Skills fall into the Being part.
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  • Profile picture of the author thatguy
    Do you mean outsourcing or brokering?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Wright
    You wish to share John???
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Most people already know my story and are tired of hearing it.... I create brokering Deals between US manufacturers and overseas bulk buyers online, and make thousands in commissions per deal. A Student of mine recently made over 15k on a single deal, and another made a $1000 commission the other day...
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    • Profile picture of the author dalels
      yes, iam interested
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      • Profile picture of the author plester
        I was reading John Durhams stuff and I just kept getting hung up on this guy who is a good friend of Johns and he started with this export and liquidations business when he was bankrupt and over the period of a few years built up a 100 million dollar business empire!

        so I just finally hunted him down and talked to him a couple days ago and got all psyched up talking to this guy,i mean Really psyched up!

        How many people do you know that can go from literally ZERO in bankruptcy to building up a 100 Million Dollar Businness?

        So,i was talking to this guy David W. and i'm trying to see if maybe i can persuade him to let me Interview him,i've got some questions i would Love to ask him.

        He's considering my proposal and i'm hoping to be able to talk with him again sometime tomorrow.

        I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he will agree to let me interview him.

        That would be freakin Awesome!

        That would give me,(and anyone else here interested in learning more about making Big Money) some very valuable insider info on that business.

        I don't know about any of you other guys but i've been doing a lot of research lately,reading all the posts i could find on that subject in John Durham's forum,reading his ebooks and any other information i could locate on the subject,and i've come to discover that this market is wide ass open!

        There's not a whole lot of people working this market but there ARE a whole lot of Businesses with huge inventories they desperately Need to get rid of,and just as many,if not more looking to BUY distressed merchandise at a great price!

        I'll come back sometime tomorrow hopefully and post here whether or not David has agreed to do my Interview

        Everybody keep your fingers crossed!

        Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Here's an example of how David "A world class expert" teaches, as compared to me...a guy who learned it from his kitchen table (This is why Im gonna quit teaching it, even though we have had another success story just this week):

          Some guy asked "What does manufacturers cost mean"... My answer was "cost to produce"...

          Here was Davids answer:

          The Manufactures "cost to produce" is the direct materiel, Labor, Production Supplies, and Shipping material cost. It is the heart of the Manufactures direct immediate cost to make a product. The "manufactures cost" is all of the expense that it requires the Manufacturer to create a product from Idea inception to the final interest payment. The reason for the two separate terms is that a manufacture has to know what it takes to kick out a product so that it can quote its customers. This is why they have the term "cost to produce".

          The "manufactures cost" is more of a comprehensive analysis of a product's complete life cycle. For example, if a product sells like crazy for 6 months and then a competitor comes out with a much better product the sales will most likely fall off dramatically. The "cost to produce" a million pieces of the product can be measured, but when the manufacture is suddenly stuck with 500,000 units that it can not sale then a whole other set of numbers come into play. If that surplus inventory sits there for 6 months then it becomes a close-out. If it sets there for over a year it starts to reach the liquidation status. When a manufacture can afford to hold slow moving merchandise it is called a close-out. When the manufacture reaches the point that they have more cost in the product than they can get for it. Then it becomes a liquidation.

          When you measure a manufactures close-out inventory and it liquidation inventory, then you begin to add up all sorts of cost that was not intended when the product was first created. And that my friend is what you call "the manufacture's cost." IE the real cost, the whole cost, and nothing but the truth cost. If a baseball cost $3.00 to produce and it sells very well then the cost to that manufacture can be just a little over $3.00. If the baseball is found to not preform up to standard and therefore the manufacture has to manage a recall and sell off 500,000 baseballs that don't preform then the Manufacture cost kicks in. At the end of that year the cost to produce can still be $3.00 but the manufactures comprehensive cost, which include non-reoccurring and additional overhead expense, then the "manufactures cost" can be $5.50 per baseball.

          The key to finding and acquiring incredible deals is to know the difference. I used to own the world's largest factory of wallpaper border. We produced 110,000 border every day; IE from jumbo reel to small spools. Most product lines went well, but every now and then we would get a lemon. Something that would not sell or had a defect. I was in the situation room a many times when we had to decide on weather to lay people off or fix a product problem. There was a few times that I said, "burn it if you have to, we just can not afford to keep moving this around and having our sales people spend so much time with it." Every manufacture deals with a situation like that periodically.

          So the best way to find these deal is to ask this simple question. How long have you had this merchandise. Just like when you buy a house. It is always a good idea to ask, how long has this house been up for sell? If the answer is 3 to 6 months then it is no big deal. But if they say it has been for sale for 2 years then you know something is up. When you find a manufacture that has had something for a while then you may have found a great deal. Unlike with housing a buyer will come along at market value soon. With distress merchandise, you are competing with the land field. I bought 35 truck loads of wallpaper in a factory shut down for $.08 per roll. The new manufacture that bought out the bankrupt factory was in Canada and it did not make since for them to pay to have it shipped from Tennessee to Toronto. They wanted $.50 per roll. I told them that if it comes to the point of paying to have it thrown away then give me a call. 30 days later my phone rang and they said come and get it.

          Just because a manufacture is enormous in size does not mean that you can not bring the giant to its knees. I would not get caught up on the terminology or the semantics. But I think I hear within your question a very important point and that is, how can I make the most incredible deal possible by understand the suppliers cost. Or better said the suppliers challenges. Once again, the best way to find out what can move dirt cheap is asking what are they really stuck with. If they are to proud to answer then make another call. You can do 20 deals and be exhausted at the end of a year. Or you can make twice the calls an only buy incredible deals with customers waiting for the product. Your better off to turn 4 deals a year and reduce your risk by making twice the calls and insisting on a deal that is hard to believe.

          Those deals are there. They are all over the place. After the recession of 2008 more manufactures are stuck with products then ever before. Yes its true that the stock market measures the fact that inventories are down and the US manufactures are now building inventories. But this is current goods not distress goods. If you take a look a that number it would blow your mind. Non discretionary inventory is at an all time high in the US. So you might ask the question, Well if the US Manufacture is so stuck with this product then why would any one else even want it. The answer in most cases is that less then half of the US manufactures do any kind of significant exporting.

          As you will find when you talk with manufactures, they will tell you that they don't even want to fool with selling overseas. Most of the time it has to do with money management and risk. I have a recent post that explains how to mitigate risk and increase your worth by being the money manager. What I sometimes find interesting with exporting is how another country looks at distressed merchandise as something brand new. So know that one manufactures trash is another buyers treasure. This is not true in all cases. But the deals are there. And don't forget that you are better off to never sell something unless you have it sold first.

          The one reason that I think telemarketing people have an advantage in this field of work is that they are good with the phone. If you really don't want to talk with a lot of people then your better off doing something different. If you can make hundreds of calls to make a handful of really great deals then this might just be for you. Most people that get good at this end up traveling the world to visit their customers, make great money, and have the satisfaction of being a world wide exporter of merchandise.

          I really wish that most individuals in this field of work would learn to enjoy the process more then the result. One time John and I was recording an album together in Nashville. All we could think about was getting a record deal. One of the industries top musician, Brent Rowen, told us to concentrate on what creating music makes of us as a person. Years later I look back at that advice and wish I could do it again. Some of you will make it to the top of the mountain with exporting. While the rest will deal with what this experience means for them.

          I think it is so much about the spirit of exploration. Centuries ago exporting was done for the King or the Queen of the country. Then as time went along large wealthy companies started to trade. Today small businesses have been exporting for less then 50 years for the most part. Now, Now is the time for the individual to learn to trade. Today more and more individuals refuse to except that they must have a large company to participate in world wide trade.

          I hope this information is helpful in answering the spirit of your question.

          Word to the Wise.


          (Back to JD)

          Doesnt mean my forum wont offer export training, just means Im gonna solicit better trainers to teach there.



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  • Profile picture of the author changsiu
    Hi John,
    I'm in China,if i should find some Liquidators of China and sell something to other countries?and i haven't any experiences on how to find Liquidators of China,can you give me 2 cent?
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    • Profile picture of the author herb44
      Well Airways,
      good thing about overeseas brokering besides being profitable-one deal $10,000 as opposed to $37.00 cpa deal is: no need for a official business license-just deal. On Alibaba-just go and register and get that cash! NO cpa accounts to get approved just find the deals and wheel and deal
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      • Profile picture of the author herb44
        have yourself a couple of niches but you really need to dig deep in your chosen niche. remember find one with buyers-think dollar store items and quantity!
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    • Profile picture of the author herb44
      hey there a very good resource is called chinawholesalers.com also try to look up sellers on alibaba.com for your area of the world
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by changsiu View Post

      Hi John,
      I'm in China,if i should find some Liquidators of China and sell something to other countries?and i haven't any experiences on how to find Liquidators of China,can you give me 2 cent?
      Interestingly, yes ALOT of other countries wont buy from anyone BUT china practically. You could generate alot of interest.

      There is a guitar in america that cost $4,000 , and in America there are cheap copies all over the place... but they are just that "Cheap" but there is a CHINESE company that makes it EXACTLY like the $4,000 guitar, EXACT quality in every way... and they sell it for $400. intead of $4,000 Slash played one the first MEGA hit guns and roses album and tour, because he couldnt afford a real one, somehow he got ahold of this chinese version... Now the REAL company has made Slash a copy of his "chinese fake" isnt that interesting, and they sell copies of it for $4000 lol. Its the signature series, and slashs signature guitar is a chinese copy of a les paul, so now theres a signature series les paul thats a copy of a chinese les paul copy, and it sells for 4k!!!!

      Isnt that funny?
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  • Profile picture of the author wilson2558
    I 've been reading warriorforum for a while now, been learning alot. Now decided to finally register.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisab
    Your skills must be amazingly superb John. It inspires me, really...
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  • Profile picture of the author herb44
    Yes it is true that john has great skills. But export deals on the overseas market are really out there for the takingq. Low hanging fruit because when you find buyer in right position and then right seller criteria -bam- you are on your way to 250000 just like john does!
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  • Profile picture of the author jtlucas2511
    Hey John, if you wouldnt mind shooting me an email so we could talk, I would love to have your help in begin brokering. My email is jtlucas11 at live.com and I hope to hear from you soon. I would PM you, but my post count hasn't quite got up there yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author herb44
    Wow I have a bit of experience as well my friend! But if you really want to talk to the Jedi master -just look in John's signature. I focus on the newbie aspect of brokering so that when you take your training wheels off you can be like john! Just a thought my friend!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by herb44 View Post

      Wow I have a bit of experience as well my friend! But if you really want to talk to the Jedi master -just look in John's signature. I focus on the newbie aspect of brokering so that when you take your training wheels off you can be like john! Just a thought my friend!
      Bulk international trade isnt really that amazing of a feat. Its just unique to the WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author herb44
    you are quite right john-we focus on little oofline deals typically in im. But we all must look out for varied streams of money. The world is a big place as our skills increase in marketing-there is no way that we should sell ourselves short. btw i was not trying to step on your toes john-says the junior to the senior
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  • Profile picture of the author advinflud
    It is very hard to be successful for new brokers in broking without meeting face to face with business owners. The broking business meeting provide information related to investment in broking, So it is important. Mostly, newbie be unsuccessful without this type meeting.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by advinflud View Post

      It is very hard to be successful for new brokers in broking without meeting face to face with business owners. The broking business meeting provide information related to investment in broking, So it is important. Mostly, newbie be unsuccessful without this type meeting.
      Not true, as with all success blue prints, there are people who will succeed and others who dont... however brokering a deal isnt rocket science the rules never change... its simply finding someone with a BIG something to sell and hooking them up with someone who wants to buy something BIG...

      Example:

      Im a vintage guitar connoisseur, I know 52 Fender telecasters like the back of my hand... every detail... and if you come up to me talking about telecasters, and you arent a connoisseur Im gonna know it in 2 minutes...

      I cant tell the difference between a $500.00 suit and a $5000 one, but the guys who buy $5000 ones can spot a $500 on a mile a way. And if I was showing him an Armani for $500, he doesnt care if I know what I have or not... HE knows.

      So you dont have to be a tele pro to sell me one, I know what Im looking at.

      I want one so bad that if i dont know you from ADAM and you could prove you had a real 52 telecaster for sale at a Good deal... I would BUY IT!!

      Listen these things cost 100k nowadays... I dont care what you look like or where you are from... or if you can even strum a chord... Its okay "I know" what Im looking at... and if I expected YOU TO know, then I wouldnt be getting it for 5k. (Hint).

      So it doesn't matter to me how green you are, the greener the better... If you are telling me you can sell me a 52 Tele for $5000, and its the real deal... Im buyin it!

      Im on my way.

      I will probably buy from you again too, and I wont care about your level of experience if you are leading me to a deal that saves me $95,000. Heck I may even take you under my wing and teach you the ropes some... so you can keep finding me good deals.

      Last thought, to drive this home;

      You are reading the words of a man who was a newbie, just as in experienced as you... Only I didnt have a step by step guide... But I got an idea, and I contacted some manufacturers, and I got online and I started messing around and figured out how to create some buyers interest...

      and Im STILL not Einstein... But I have sold about 50 truckloads on line now, and I have my system and it works... and it has even worked for others here...

      Im not pumping my sig right now, I dont even make any money if someone were to get my program , it all goes to Kim right now... so the reason Im telling you this isn't to self promote... Its to0 tell you that you are looking at about the once ignorant-est newbie you ever met - and I sat down here at the WF and figured every bit of it out on my own...

      DONT EVER THINK THERE IS SOMETHING YOU CANT DO!

      Cant count the times I found out in my life that I went for years without having something, then later learn that the only reason was because I was too afraid to ask.
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      • Profile picture of the author rugman
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Not true, as with all success blue prints, there are people who will succeed and others who dont... however brokering a deal isnt rocket science the rules never change... its simply finding someone with a BIG something to sell and hooking them up with someone who wants to buy something BIG...

        Example:

        Im a vintage guitar connoisseur, I know 52 Fender telecasters like the back of my hand... every detail... and if you come up to me talking about telecasters, and you arent a connoisseur Im gonna know it in 2 minutes...

        I cant tell the difference between a $500.00 suit and a $5000 one, but the guys who buy $5000 ones can spot a $500 on a mile a way. And if I was showing him an Armani for $500, he doesnt care if I know what I have or not... HE knows.

        So you dont have to be a tele pro to sell me one, I know what Im looking at.

        I want one so bad that if i dont know you from ADAM and you could prove you had a real 52 telecaster for sale at a Good deal... I would BUY IT!!

        Listen these things cost 100k nowadays... I dont care what you look like or where you are from... or if you can even strum a chord... Its okay "I know" what Im looking at... and if I expected YOU TO know, then I wouldnt be getting it for 5k. (Hint).

        So it doesn't matter to me how green you are, the greener the better... If you are telling me you can sell me a 52 Tele for $5000, and its the real deal... Im buyin it!

        Im on my way.

        I will probably buy from you again too, and I wont care about your level of experience if you are leading me to a deal that saves me $95,000. Heck I may even take you under my wing and teach you the ropes some... so you can keep finding me good deals.

        Last thought, to drive this home;

        You are reading the words of a man who was a newbie, just as in experienced as you... Only I didnt have a step by step guide... But I got an idea, and I contacted some manufacturers, and I got online and I started messing around and figured out how to create some buyers interest...

        and Im STILL not Einstein... But I have sold about 50 truckloads on line now, and I have my system and it works... and it has even worked for others here...

        Im not pumping my sig right now, I dont even make any money if someone were to get my program , it all goes to Kim right now... so the reason Im telling you this isn't to self promote... Its to0 tell you that you are looking at about the once ignorant-est newbie you ever met - and I sat down here at the WF and figured every bit of it out on my own...

        DONT EVER THINK THERE IS SOMETHING YOU CANT DO!

        Cant count the times I found out in my life that I went for years without having something, then later learn that the only reason was because I was too afraid to ask.
        I have a 1976 Telecaster Deluxe! Would hate to part with it though - washed a lot of dishes to buy that baby!!!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by rugman View Post

          I have a 1976 Telecaster Deluxe! Would hate to part with it though - washed a lot of dishes to buy that baby!!!!!
          Dang that must be awesome!

          I have a 52 reissue tele and a 57 reissue strat (Edit: Traded Strat for a 97 taylor 810. Super sweet! I guess I will just mod out the mexican strat now).... Maybe as good as it'll get here... heck a 76 has got to be running at least 15-20k these days.

          I think my next move is to start "building" them. i have wanted to do my own custom guitar brand for a while now... may start this year. I want to build some collectors guitars... under my grandson vincents name...

          I have an idea for a super strat style right now I want to call the V. Rios Viper. Dont get me started... Got a ton of passion for exquisite guitars and posterity.

          And Brent Mason... Whew! He is smokin on the blues jazz country, rock whatever... IMHO the best for my dime.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sciencemies
    I had to register just because of this thread. I live in Finland and the offline marketing game for online services is not doing too good. This is a country which takes pride in its high standing of worldwide technology surveys and studies and believe me, even the little mom and pop shops are well aware of SEO, social media and mobile marketing (Nokia is a Finnish company after all).

    Here's a few big dogs doing these services for those who need it and the rest, well they don't need it or are more than able to do it themselves, so the market for these services is pretty dry. I've seen it with my own eyes.

    This leads me to John Durham. I do not have a high enough post count to PM, so I'm asking the same thing as Luke Bishop. Any amount of information is appreciated because I am really looking for a line of work to devote myself into and make use of my marketing skills and background.

    Thanks a bunch and hello everyone BTW
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    • Profile picture of the author csemprie
      Hello everyone!

      I am so happy to have found this thread!!! I've been looking for something that deals with big ticket brokering for quite some time. Glad to have read all of the posts and learned the name, John Durham. I'm just under the halfway point to sending PMs and I would have sent you one if I could have. I would really appreciate some guidance from you in this realm, John. Please email me at csemprie@gmail.com. You're quite an inspiration.

      Thank you for paying it forward! Would love to be a student of yours. I love business and brokering deals so this is awesome

      Crystal
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  • Profile picture of the author jtlucas2511
    John, are you taking any new students? If so I would love to hear from you, thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author herb44
      it is not a hard game to get into-i originally got into the exports game after looking for big ticket items to push. Boy was i happy. the learning curve is not as steep as other offline endeavors and also the community of exporters is very helpful. why-the deals are never gonna be saturated-the world market is too big-and like the warrior from finland said-he might hear of something in the nordic countries that is of use to someone-he would be compensated for that.. in the future i would do him a favor etc
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by jtlucas2511 View Post

      John, are you taking any new students? If so I would love to hear from you, thank you.
      Im not actually , but what I AM doing, is introducing a new teacher to my forum so I can concentrate on Telemarketing stuff... A friend of mine who is the absolute Authority on these subjects and has made more money than anyone else I have personally ever met, and Im trying to talk him into coaching...

      I think I have a couple more reports left in me... But Im slowly moving back to just running my forum and my offline business... Also more "fundraising" work to do.

      After the next Million dollar bench Mark... Then I might do another Audio Series, maybe something with more of a motivational nature.
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      • Profile picture of the author jtlucas2511
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Im not actually , but what I AM doing, is introducing a new teacher to my forum so I can concentrate on Telemarketing stuff... A friend of mine who is the absolute Authority on these subjects and has made more money than anyone else I have personally ever met, and Im trying to talk him into coaching...

        I think I have a couple more reports left in me... But Im slowly moving back to just running my forum and my offline business... Also more "fundraising" work to do.

        After the next Million dollar bench Mark... Then I might do another Audio Series, maybe something with more of a motivational nature.
        Okay thanks for the reply, I'll take a look over at your forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author herb44
    first to see how powerful brokering can be warriors-go register on alibaba.com. Play with it-see how many buyers there are for the most mundane things! Oh the possibilities are endless. I didn't know that old cellphones could be bought so cheap and sold for a hefty profit-all from home no less sitting in my underwear
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  • Profile picture of the author EdmundDantes
    Brokering Overseas = Genius

    Never even thought of this, and I have thought of many things

    Might just give it a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author herb44
    Well chilling22 great first step. Next step is to zero in on possible sellers. How? First reverse engineer alibaba by looking for what people are looking to buy end mass. Quickly! This will be your target market. Complete this and get at least five good niches! Tommorow I will reveal another golden nugget Of exporting!
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    • Profile picture of the author cshilling22
      Originally Posted by herb44 View Post

      Well chilling22 great first step. Next step is to zero in on possible sellers. How? First reverse engineer alibaba by looking for what people are looking to buy end mass. Quickly! This will be your target market. Complete this and get at least five good niches! Tommorow I will reveal another golden nugget Of exporting!
      I look forward to it. Thank you!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jack Bastide
        Ok ... Joined Alibaba

        Yikes ... Paid Membership is $3k

        Can you start off with a Free Membership
        until you do a deal and then upgrade later?

        I have no problem paying if I know i can make
        money with this

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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Thanks for that great post John. When it comes to cold calling their are people that say they tried cold calling. They say it does not work or it is better to go out and visit the customer. I noticed talking to a few people that tried it and failed.
    Usually they said they made a few calls. When they continued to talk the first comments are nobody is interested. How ever after breaking down what they have done, they have called less then 20 or 30 people. They have not developed the confidence to continue on. So they quickly turn around and say it does not work.
    If the person were to do it consistenly like you described here, they would develop ways around the gate keeper and make the sale eventually. As I read here in this this thread and other areas of this forum it is all a numbers game.
    Since joining the Warrior Forum you were one of the first persons I saw that stood out here. Your insites are great value, you are one of the leaders here thanks for posting such valuable information. If other people would followed your free and timeless advice they would be more successful. I hope everybody see's the Gem you gave us in the last post!
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  • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
    The answer to the question has to be yes. If a person has any skill on the phone, bingo! mission accomplished. I especially like Durham's posts as he highlights one very specific point: commitment. W/O it, you ain't never gonna do nuthin...

    Cold calling isn't hard, picking up the phone to do it is. Just my 2¢...
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    • Profile picture of the author cshilling22
      Is there a way to outsource the cold calling portion of this to professionals who have higher closing rates at this sort of thing? This that bad for business since you wouldn't be building personal relationships?
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
        Originally Posted by cshilling22 View Post

        Is there a way to outsource the cold calling portion of this to professionals who have higher closing rates at this sort of thing? This that bad for business since you wouldn't be building personal relationships?
        I'm not sure what you mean 'higher closing rate'? This is all about finding sellers with excess stock. The only hurdle then is goining to be the price! They are more than happy to chat to you if you can make them money!

        Rich
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
    I've been keeping quiet but i've done pretty well using John's template. It can take a lot of work to find sellers but as John says you're going to be rewarded handsomely. I have a VA that emails companies for me when I want new leads. He spent last week emailing companies for me. The number of leads I've got is 11 and he's emailed maybe 1000 companies. Now these leads have requested a call from me. I'll make a quick call and introduce myself as they already know roughly what I'm after. Then I should (with a bit of luck) find someone with excess stock that will email me the specifics.
    So for me I look at it like this $50 for my VA's weeks work plus a few hours of my time on the phone...maybe another hour of emailing = $10,000- $50,000.
    Hope this helps?

    Rich
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Richard Tunnah View Post

      I've been keeping quiet but i've done pretty well using John's template. It can take a lot of work to find sellers but as John says you're going to be rewarded handsomely. I have a VA that emails companies for me when I want new leads. He spent last week emailing companies for me. The number of leads I've got is 11 and he's emailed maybe 1000 companies. Now these leads have requested a call from me. I'll make a quick call and introduce myself as they already know roughly what I'm after. Then I should (with a bit of luck) find someone with excess stock that will email me the specifics.
      So for me I look at it like this $50 for my VA's weeks work plus a few hours of my time on the phone...maybe another hour of emailing = $10,000- $50,000.
      Hope this helps?

      Rich

      Beautiful. This is what Im talking about. I didnt tell you to do that in the report... but cmon, you gotta bring your common sense, Im a trainer not Merlin the Wizard.

      Whats this guy doing here?

      "Extrapolating" and using the ability God gave him to take the idea I laid out... and BUST HIS OWN MOVES with it... see I didnt have a plan or report either... I just did what Richard is doin and "tried stuff"...

      My only advice Richard is, dont let your leads get warm, you dont want all that work to go bad over one simple principle being over looked...(Striking while hot). However,in reality, for "suppliers" come to think of it, they may have a "little" more shelf life.

      Good stuff... the truth is that yes we inspire others with ideas, and we say "here's how I did it, you can do it too"... and you can , just like Richard is doing here... but While we bring the blueprints... you have to bring the common sense, and ability to make minor distinctions on your own... in other words just "Your thinking cAp" like Richard is...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack Bastide
      John do you offer any training on how to do the
      Import / Export Biz?

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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Jack Bastide View Post

        John do you offer any training on how to do the
        Import / Export Biz?

        Jack
        Hey Jack I have a couple of reports out on it, but Im gonna slowly phase myself out of that teaching because people tend to fall off too quickly... Though some have made very significant deals... too many for my taste havent.

        Telemarketing provides alot of instant gratification which makes it easy to train because after a person sees their first results they are good to go... but those results can happen in DAYS... Exports is more like weeks or possibly months.

        Exports is there for everyone to become a millionaire at, and everyone knows the potential, but it takes a "Business Building" mindset, which the majority of report buyers are aspiring to but dont have yet, and that may not be the case with you.

        I have a WSO around here somewhere on exporting...and if you run with it it will work. It worked for me, and it works people everyday of the week. But you have to be strong enough to get through the pipeline building process, that means building a "business' and staying committed.

        Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaneSebastion
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    Hey,

    I understand that there are deals on Alibaba which are great, I have stumbled on one or two by accident. There are some too good to be true, in fact for every deal you hear about that was a success there are literally hundreds that have been ripped off.

    My two small deals I asked for a brokerage fee combined with a deed of confidentiality to keep everything above board and legal. Using legal is important when dealing with other cultures that just plain think differently and it shows you mean business!!

    So, my actual time setting up was no more than two hours, I had no risk and was paid US1000/hour.

    Get that washing machine, time to rinse and repeat...

    My only caution is keep your eyes open and don't take on any risk.

    Dane
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by DaneSebastion View Post

      Hey,

      I understand that there are deals on Alibaba which are great, I have stumbled on one or two by accident. There are some too good to be true, in fact for every deal you hear about that was a success there are literally hundreds that have been ripped off.

      My two small deals I asked for a brokerage fee combined with a deed of confidentiality to keep everything above board and legal. Using legal is important when dealing with other cultures that just plain think differently and it shows you mean business!!

      So, my actual time setting up was no more than two hours, I had no risk and was paid US1000/hour.

      Get that washing machine, time to rinse and repeat...

      My only caution is keep your eyes open and don't take on any risk.

      Dane
      Dane! Awesome.

      I disagree (respctfully) with the idea that there are 100 scams to one good deal... but yes there are scammers, the number may be a little higher becaue Alibaba is one of the top ranked sites in the world with over a million users and having 146 million dollars per "DAY" exchanging hands on it...

      So per capita I dont think there are more scammers than the average site, but it is comparable to ebay...

      Just like ebay though, some but "most" dont fall for it, like yourself who didnt, because the signs are usually pretty obvious.

      For instance I know Im dealing with a scammer if they are asking for a 20k load but they cant answer specific questions about their order.

      Lastly,

      If you always do busines, as I do via TT advance, or LC, there "virtually" is no way to be scammed.

      Yes I did take a check for $12,000 from a customer once that wasnt good, even worse it cleared my first bank and I had spent my profit by the time I found out the check was bad... now I dont take checks, after sitting down with the bank pres and getting counsil... and have had no problems since.

      Man it really makes my day to hear of your success!
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      • Profile picture of the author DaneSebastion
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        Hey,

        I guess that was my point John, one has to be mindful of who they're dealing with and have the business savvy to recognize obvious signs that things aren't quite what they seem. I have associates who have been party to transactions that would send a chill down your spine, in particular dealing with China.

        That said, if a proven system is followed that has all the checks and balances to remove the risk, go for it. In fact I believe that the small guy has more power these days simply because we can maneuver a lot quicker than a corporate.

        John, I'd be keen to hear more about your adventures if that's possible.

        Best regards

        Dane
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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    good thread here john......been thinking of other ways to make money and was looking at doing something with china as i have relatives there.........how would i get started john?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Michael Le,

    If you use the search function here at WF and just put in Alibaba, all kinds of export stuff will come up.
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    • Profile picture of the author manicman1
      Good morning John

      How can we be on a list for notification if David decides to start coaching? or if you ever decide to take on apprentices?

      thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Well Im trying to move him one step at a time, by inviting him to teach some at the forum, just because I think he's a great teacher, and I think he is starting to see how enriching that can be...

    I cant commit for anyone, and I dont know if he will ever do any one on one coaching, however I do feel very honored to have him teaching exports at the forum. I guess if you sign up to the export forum you can get access to him, but Im not trying to sell anything by saying that.

    I really do think people could learn alot from him.

    I want to brag on him, but people tend to cry "promotion" and get my threads shut down...

    If you are member of TMF though you will recieve notifications of anything new going on. Again its hard to say this even though you are asking, because people like to get my threads shut down... understandable, Im just telling the truth but I can see how it could be construed.

    I can tell you that I dont personally make a dime for him teaching and neither does he at this point. Its more about expanding the scope of the teaching we offer at tmf.
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    • Profile picture of the author plester
      Thanks to Mr. John Durham,i was able to land the Interview i was hoping for with his good friend David W.

      I'm very happy about this as you can probably imagine,and i'm really looking forward to asking him some questions that will help me to be successful in the exports and liquidations market.

      I'll try and keep everyone updated on my progress with this endeavor.


      Thanks,

      Paul
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